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You can see more on all of today's ceasefires and get a first

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Hello, and welcome to a specially extended edition of BBC Newsline.

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The Sinn Fein President Gerry Adams has been released without charge,

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having been questioned for four days in connection with the murder of

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Jean McConville. A file is to be sent to the Public Prosecution

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Service who will make a final decision on whether or not charges

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will be brought against him. There were tensions at Antrim Police

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Station, as Mr Adams was driven away.

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Late this afternoon, loyalist protesters gathered outside Antrim

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Police Station Wadsworth and come through the Sinn Fein leader was

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being released. Then, the police in a decoy operation, brought vehicles

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and officers in riot gear acting as a chord in between protesters and

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the supposed except by the Sinn Fein leader. There was a brief protest

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but those taking part were oblivious to the fact Mr Adams was being

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driven out off the back gate. More officers were gathered there. Police

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at the front then retreated and there was some heckling as

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protesters realised what had happened.

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After his release, Gerry Adams made his way to a hotel in West Belfast

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where, a short time ago, he spoke to reporters. Be aware there's some

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flash photography. Let me be very clear. I am innocent

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of any involvement in any conspiracy to abduct, kill or bury Mrs

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McConville. I have worked hard with others to have this injustice

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addressed and for the return of the bodies of others killed in the

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conflict who was secretly buried by the IRA. I will continue to do so.

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People have carved out a new dispensation, the past needs to be

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dealt with and Sinn Fein is up for doing this. There can be no going

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back. There is no possibility of going back. I did not go to Antrim

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expecting special treatment. But it is crucial everyone is

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treated fairly. And I seek fair treatment not just for myself or

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only for myself but because it is crucially important that the signal

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goes out that everybody knows that these are changed times. Things have

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changed. That they will be treated fairly and we can all have hope and

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confidence in the new developing dispensation including the police

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service. To send any other signal is to encourage the bigots. So, I make

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the case that those who authorised my arrest and detention could have

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done it differently. They had discretion. They did not have to use

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coercive legislation over an issue as serious as this. Which I was

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voluntarily prepared to deal with. They did not have to do this in the

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middle of an election campaign. I contacted them two months ago. I

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want to make it clear I support the PSNI. I will continue to work with

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others to build a genuine policing service. The old guard which is

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against change whether in the PSNI leadership, or the far fringes of

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self-proclaimed pseudo- Republicans, they cannot win. The

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dark side of the system cannot be allowed to deny any of our people,

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Catholic, Protestant or dissenter, from our entitlement to a rights

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-based citizen centred society as set out in the group Friday

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agreement. I have never disassociated myself from the IRA

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and I never will. But I am glad that I and others have created a peaceful

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and democratic way forward for everyone. The IRA has gone. It is

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finished. So, my resolve and the result of this leadership remains as

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strong as ever. To build a peace, not to let this put us off, not to

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let anyone use this as an excuse, not to let anyone, whether on the

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dark side all within the individuals, not to let any of those

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stop citizens here having their full rights and entitlements. I'm joined

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now by our home affairs correspondent Vincent Kearney.

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During that news conference, he gave us some insight into the line of

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questioning. There were allegations he was

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involved in the murder of Jean McConville. Gerry Adams gave some

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detail, he said there had been 33 taped interviews going back to the

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1960s. He was questioned over the contents of books he had bitten.

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Over photographs. Some of the contents of an oral history

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programme, referred to as the Boston takes, some of which were said to

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have implicated Gerry Adams. Sending a file to the PPS, what exactly does

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this mean? It means the police did not believe

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they had sufficient evidence to merit a prosecution. We don't know

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what the contents of the file would be. Police may recommend a

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prosecution or no prosecution. Given the huge publicity, it could simply

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set out the steps they have taken and the bases of questioning. This

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means the police did not believe there was sufficient evidence to

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merit a prosecution. Does it mean there is a likelihood of charges? It

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can never be definitive. The prosecutors were considering the

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contents of this file. The fact is, if the police believed there was

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sufficient evidence to merit a prosecution, a real prospect of

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securing a conviction, they would have charged Gerry Adams rather than

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release him. Allegations have been around for many years over his

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involvement in the murder of Jean McConville, and his involvement with

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the IRA. The police made it clear the decision was taken because

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detectives believed there was sufficient information to put to

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him. He was released without charge after four days. It suggests the

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evidence was not strong enough. Given that information, it is

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reasonable to assume it is not likely that this has sufficient

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evidence. What does this mean for the

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relationship between Sinn Fein and the police?

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Very bad indeed, this is hugely embarrassing for the police. The

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decision to arrest Gerry Adams was a high-risk gamble. We heard Martin

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McGuinness talk about the dark side of policing. This time, there was a

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threat Sinn Fein might withdraw support for the police. Gerry Adams

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spoke about the old guard using old method. -- methods. These were

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strong words, allegations of a cabal. These words cannot be taken

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back. Clearly, a lot of damage has been done between Sinn Fein and

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those within the PSNI. Long-term damage which could take time to

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repair. Earlier tonight, Jean McConville's

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son, Michael, spoke to our reporter Julian Fowler. He asked him what the

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family hoped would happen now? We want the police to be able to do

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their job. Without anybody interfering with police work. The

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politicians or anyone else. It doesn't matter when this crime

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happened, a year ago or 40 years ago. It is a murder which shouldn't

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have taken place. There is no justification for murder. It does

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not matter what the IRA says. We have proved our mother was not an

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informant. We want to see the proper people going to a court of law and

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getting a sentence. Under the Good Friday agreement. But we do think

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anybody who is involved in this, when they do get brought before the

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court, it should not be in Northern Highland, but in The Hague, because

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it is a war crime. This happened in the 1970s and 1980s. Nazis had been

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chased all around the world for war crimes. From the 1940s. There is no

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difference in those people and our mother. You said in the past you

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know the names of those involved but you were not prepared to give them

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to the police. Has that changed? It hasn't changed in the last few days.

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In fact, it gets stronger. When you see the likes of the protests. If

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that is not there for anyone come everyone to see, I don't know what

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is. Will you not now go to the police? I

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do not trust Sinn Fein. I will not be taking what they say seriously.

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Joining me now is North Belfast DUP MP Nigel Dodds. And Alex Maskey from

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Sinn Fein. Nigel Dodds. Four days, 33 tapes

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looking back as far as Gerry Adams' childhood. Was this a fishing

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expedition? No, the rule of law has two run its

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course. Nobody should be above the law, whether they are a protected --

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an elected politician or not. We have seen a self pitying victim. The

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real victims are the McConville family, Jean McConville who was

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abducted, murdered, tortured, disappeared. The republican movement

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denied they were involved. The message goes out, no matter who you

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are, the rule of law should apply equally. The police had a job to

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do. They have sent a file to the PPS. Barry McCrory has said he would

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not have anything to do with it. It has to be independent. Let's see

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what the proper judicial course will be, it should be free from political

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interference. Are you going to drop those

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allegations? No we stand by all of the

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allegations. It is interesting to note that even in the last 48 hours

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I have been dealing with senior PSNI officers in my own constituency and

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will do so tomorrow and the day after. We have a legitimate right to

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make criticisms of them. We believe they are misusing the law or making

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a botched effort in the last number of days. We have an obligation to

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level that criticism. But surely you are the ones being

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political? No, we criticised them because they -- we believe they were

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wrong for doing that in the manner in which they did it and you heard

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that from Gerry Adams this evening when he pointed out the nature of

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the allegations put to him and the level of interviews conducted. I

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would have to say it sends out a negative signal to the community. We

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are trying to work with the PSNI to build support within those

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communities so we made legitimate criticism and we are obligated to do

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it. Gerry Adams reaffirmed in a determined way we will work with the

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PSNI to make sure we get a good and supportive police service.

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He spoke tonight about work still to be done and he would do that and so

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would Martin McGuinness and Peter Robinson. Is it forgiven and

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forgotten? Well, not to engage in spurious talk about political

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policing. The political isolation of Sinn Fein in broader nationalism in

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terms of politicians in the Irish Republic and virtual silence from

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the US. There is very little support for the allegation of political

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policing even coming from nationalism. Sinn Fein have been

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guilty of providing total lack of leadership. They lecture others

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about giving leadership when it comes to policing, but when it came

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to people saying let the rule of law taking its course no matter how an

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mighty people might be, but then they say the dark side of this

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appears. If they are serious about a cabal and dark forces, let the name

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them. Because it can only be the persistent -- the police Chief

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Constable and senior members of the police they are talking about. They

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are now playing into the hands of dissidents. They have now empowered

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dissidents who can turn around to Sinn Fein and say, why are you

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telling us to accept the police if you are saying there is a dark

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cabal? What is important to do is to

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recognise what we have. It is very important for people and political

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representatives to send a signal that, despite these difficulties, we

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have a collective responsibility to make sure that we get the people out

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there hope for the future. Let us remember that Sinn Fein is the

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largest national party here across the North and growing on the basis

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of policies we have pointed out and we want to work for people out here

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and this advice to people who need support from all the political

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parties and the austerity measures people have to endure.

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Let's get some more of the detail from Gerry Adams news conference

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now. He was asked earlier for his reaction to Peter Robinson's

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comments today on members of Sinn Fein using "bully boy tactics" when

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it came to claims of political policing. Peter Robinson is a

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partner in government with us and is in a coat equal position with my

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comrades here, Martin McGuinness. He has work to do with us and we have

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work to do with him and we will continue to do that. I have said and

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I wrote those remarks in myself this morning. I said that we are utterly

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committed to this peace process. There will be difficulties and

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blockages but there is only one way and that is forward.

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Our political editor joins us now. In the midst of the election a lot

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is made of that. Will it damage the party?

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I don't think so. If anything it could end up being a bit of a

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positive for Sinn Fein. If there were charges it would be a

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completely different story. They probably have an extremely safe seat

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here in terms of the European election but it may have dented

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things south of the border. Gerry Adams put on a pretty sure-footed

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performance tonight. Probably more sure-footed than some of his party

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colleagues over the last few days when they seemed to be quite

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rattled. They will probably make the most of this. Those who may have

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been considering voted for them, I doubt many will have been put off.

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Disagreements between the two parties over this political policing

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line but where does it leave relations between the two of them?

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Things were getting hot and heavy. Peter Robinson warned Sinn Fein they

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had crossed the line and should pull back. The emphasis will now be on

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pulling back from this and the fact that Gerry Adams has been released

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without charge, I think Sinn Fein will dampen down some of its

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criticism. But they have handed a bit of ammunition to their critics

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amongst the dissidents when they talked about a cabal within the PSNI

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and they will have to square that now because there will be the likes

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of Brendan McKenna, for instance, putting out a statement saying if

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that is so, why have they only discovered it now?

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And with these allegations, where does that leave confidence in

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policing? Obviously we have had... Over the

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last four years Martin McGuinness went out on a limb saying... And we

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now have a situation where there have been some serious damage done

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to the relationship between the PSNI and Sinn Fein which will require

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repair work and that has ramifications for the wider

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nationalist community. What about London and Dublin? Is this a wake-up

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call? David Cameron has been involved obviously. He talked to

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Martin McGuinness and Peter Robinson earlier in the week. I think he will

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feel that maybe he has to keep a closer eye on events here.

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Thanks very much. We'll get some more reaction in just

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a moment, but now some of today's other news. The homes of three

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Polish families have been attacked in East Belfast. The rented houses

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on Roslyn street were daubed with graffiti saying "locals only" and

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"get out". It follows a spate of racist attacks in the area which the

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police blame on the UVF. Fire crews have dealt with an overnight blaze

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at retail premises in County Antrim. A bingo hall in Laharna Retail Park

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on the Circular Road in Larne was damaged in the blaze which broke out

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just before four o'clock this morning. At its height, around 50

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firefighters were at the scene and eight pumping appliances had to be

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used. Luckily, it didn't reach a particular area and that was largely

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due to a sustained attack on the fire and preventing it from

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travelling to the foot -- fabric of the building. Glass was broken in

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Windows but thankfully the fire didn't spread to other premises.

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Being a retail Park, premises have adjoining buildings with quite

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significant -- significant fire loading.

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Back to our main story and joining me now are Irish News editor Noel

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Doran and commentator Alex Kane. Was this a miscalculation by the

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police? The police had to investigate. If there is an

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allegation of a crime it has to be looked into. The need for the

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process to take place immediately before an election will be

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questioned but when press conferences are over and protesters

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have faded away, we will be left with a largely dysfunctional

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executive at Stormont and we have to come up with a way of dealing with

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the past. What do you think about election prospects for seeing --

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Sinn Fein north and south of the border? In the north, they have a

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strong electoral machine and they will get their vote out regardless.

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As has been suggested, this will probably assist that. In the South,

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Sinn Fein have been surging ahead. But we don't know how solid that

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support is. It is harder to call there but it will be difficult to

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see any damage in the North. Alex Kane, do you think they will

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fare better in the South? I think they will do fairly well across

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Ireland because there is nothing quite like the emotional appeal of

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Sinn Fein being able to say, one of our own has been locked up by the

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Brits. It also takes all the focus of the relationship they have with

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the DUP and the fact they haven't sorted out welfare or shed

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education. This is now an issue entirely for them. They couldn't

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have asked for a better opportunity, from their point of view. But where

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does it leave Unionists? The wide perception across Unionism was that

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he would not be charged so they are not surprised. But there is a

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perception in the grassroot element that they sense it is all part of

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political policing. Peter Robinson doesn't normally do press releases

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on a Sunday but he said the perception will be that if Gerry

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Adams isn't charged that it is because someone has given into Sinn

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Fein pressure. He said that so there are people on the ground across

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loyalism in particular who believe that is what happened and that is

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bad Unionism. What will your editorial say

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tomorrow? We will suggest it is high time foot our politicians to take a

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measured approach. We are saying that it was alarming to hear that

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Sinn Fein support for policing was conditional and Gerry Adams made it

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clear with some authority that he was endorsing the new policing

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structures. No sooner than that had been addressed, Peter Robinson

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talked about bully boy tactics and attempting to blackmail the police.

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We will also suggest his track record in that regard is far from

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trouble-free during the flag protests. Alex, it has been a

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different -- difficult number of months so people could be forgiven

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for losing faith given how quickly things can disintegrate. You can

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write a measured editorial and most people would like the parties to

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work together. The blunt and brutal reality is that they despise each

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other and there is no other word for it. They share nothing in common,

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they have no vision or agenda in, and they don't even agree on what

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you call Northern Ireland. When two parties in government do not want to

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agree all that is going to happen is increasing numbers of people will

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give up because they are getting no resolution to the issues of legacy

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but they are also getting terrible government.

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Is there something that can be done at this stage? The new centre ground

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party of liberal Unionism has caused them enormous trouble because this

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will become one of the most bitter and brutal elections we have had for

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a number of years. The alliance already is under some problems and

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they will struggle to get 78% between them.

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This has certainly brought back the issue of the disappeared and

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particularly the murder of Jean McConville but no real clarity for

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the family. No, other than the suggestion they

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could be some form of civil proceedings taken against Gerry

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Adams further down the line. You can sense the raw emotion and grief with

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every interview they do. Of course, in wider terms there is no form of

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truth commission or Justice Forum agreed by the politicians which is

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an enormous failing on their part. If anything is to come out of

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Stormont, surely we can find some structure or process of dealing with

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a past which will address the pain of families like the McConville 's.

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There is the risk of a shower persisting tonight. Plenty of cloud

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cover so a mild night with lows of up to 10 Celsius. Tonight we are in

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a clear space before the next band of rain and the mass of warm, moist

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air spreading across Northern Ireland tomorrow. It will be quite a

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cloudy bank holiday with a deal of rain around. For the marathon it

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gets underway in Belfast at nine o'clock tomorrow morning. A dry

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stopped for the runners but by the end of the marathon the rain will be

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coming down. It works its way from West to East spreading to all parts.

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It will be a soggy old bank holiday Monday. A bit of a North West and

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South East split in the weather across the UK and Ireland tomorrow.

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For Northern Ireland, West Wales and Scotland there will be a good deal

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of rain around and a much drier picture across England. Decent

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temperatures in the south-east. We won't see temperatures like that.

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Still feeling reasonably mild as we go through the day, but certainly a

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damp squib with that rain. Through the night and into Tuesday, another

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reasonably mild night. Casting our eye towards next week where it is

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bikes rather than runners, a breezy picture and we will start to she --

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sees showery conditions but also some sunshine as well. A brighter

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field to Tuesday and temperatures nudging up. An unsettled week so

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rain is never far away. Not the best few days ahead but it picks up

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towards the middle of the week. Our next BBC Newsline bulletin is at

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6.25 in the morning. You can also get all the latest reaction to the

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Gerry Adams story on Good Morning Ulster starting at 6.30. From

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everyone on the BBC Newsline team, good bye.

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