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Unionists walk out of talks after the Parades Commission bans

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an Orange Order parade past Ardoyne on the 12th.

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To go into discussions on the basis there will be no parade, that is not

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the way forward. The new Chief Constable calls

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for calm We'll be reporting from Stormont,

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Ardoyne and speaking live to Also coming up

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on tonight's programme: A task force says

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our housing market is dysfunctional Preserving the past

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but looking to the future. Join me at the Ulster Folk

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and Transport Museum And thankfully,

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it's not raining yet here at the Ulster folk and Transport Museum but

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there is wetter weather on the way. The political talks are over

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and they'd hardly even started. Discussions about parades, flags

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and the past began yesterday and were due to last six days but today,

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the unionist parties walked out. The determination by the

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Parades Commission not to allow Orangemen past the Ardoyne shops

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on the homeward leg Shane Harrison reports

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on today's political fallout. Stormont this morning and day two at

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the talks aimed at resolving differences. Inside a committee

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room, the different delegations met to discuss the issues. But within 20

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minutes, the two main Unionist parties walked out after learning

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that the parades commission had ruled the Orange parade could not go

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past the Ardoyne shops. It's been a very difficult morning. The

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Commissioner set a very dangerous precedent, the most dangerous of

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dangerous. He stated that violence pays. A lot of people feel hurt. The

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Alliance leader and Justice Minister was very far from being impressed. I

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am horrified and disgusted by the behaviour of the UPI Ulster

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Unionist. They talked about the importance of these talks to resolve

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the outstanding commission -- outstanding issues and they have

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walked out. In doing so, they have left us in further problems. The two

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main parties both called for calm and for leadership. Being difficult

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and angry will not help us in any shape or form and we want to see...

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Make sure the next two weeks pass off peacefully in a way that doesn't

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damage a city and community. Let's face the reality. But if everybody

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within society who want the peace process to succeed comes together

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and makes it clear that violence can have no part whatsoever in how we go

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forward, that would be a good start. The two main Unionist parties

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at Stormont say they want to see a peaceful and lawful reaction to the

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parades commission ruling but the First Minister had this to say about

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the future of devolution. Institutions have been put under

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threat by the behaviour of the parades commission and those who

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threaten it. It is up to us to seek a peaceful response and we trust the

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people will recognise the importance of having respect and tolerance for

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the expression of our tradition and that violence will no longer be

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allowed to be the determining factor when decisions are taken. The

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parties have said there will be a graduated response to the rulings.

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Tomorrow's meeting in Dublin has now been

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The Parades Commission ruling that the Ligoneil Lodges are not allowed

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back up the Crumlin Road on the 12th of July has enraged

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It's also raised tensions in the interface area around Ardoyne shops.

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The lodges are allowed down the road on the 12th morning but once again,

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they are not allowed to parade back up this stretch of road in the

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evening. Last year, protests led to loyalist violence. However, in

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evening. Last year, protests led to previous years, there were violent

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evening. Last year, protests led to democratic system and I think it

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will affect how the institution democratic system and I think it

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system. The commission said there had been significant progress from

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the Orange order on its approach to this particular parade. However, it

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also said some had called for protest resulting in violence and

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that had undermined the progress that was made. I am dismayed. I

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can't see how democratic parades can take the threat of extremists

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can't see how democratic parades can democracy. It just shows the threat

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of violence wins over democracy. The whole community is disgusted and

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saddened. The previous commission named the route map. Unfortunately,

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the Orange didn't engage in any sustained a consistent way.

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Communities and groups have decisions make. I need to be clear.

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We will uphold the rule of law and the parades commission

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determination. The parades commission took the view that the

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potential for public disorder outweighed the significance of the

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12 parade being allowed back up the road. Today's rolling boil increased

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tensions once again in an already volatile interface area.

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So should we be surprised that the DUP and Ulster Unionists walked

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out of the talks over the issue of the Ardoyne parade?

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Perhaps not, given a number of joint statements in recent days

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indicating a growing frustration and solidarity across the unionist

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While the political parties were in storm on discussing flags, parading

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and the past, it seems it was a storm on discussing flags, parading

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march in north Belfast that was at the front of their minds. As soon as

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the ruling came in, the parties released a statement, making it

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clear this was an issue they would be discussing in recent weeks. The

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statement came from that D U P, the UUP, the TUV, the PU P and the UPI

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grams. The joint statement says, we have found ourselves together to

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defend our community and culture. As things now stand, it seems the

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Unionists are not talking to nationalists and republicans, just

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to each other, but what has brought them together? Peter Robinson, for

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the first time in a number of years, no longer speaks for the

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majority. They do have the PU P who did well, and Robinson clearly feels

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he is not strong enough to do this by himself, so they have brought

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everyone into the tent. The Assembly is in recess. Political talks appear

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to be over and there appears to be no further Unionist contact so it is

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hard to say what will change and there is barely more than a week

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until the 12th of July parades. With me now is the North Belfast MP,

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Nigel Dodds. You have called for a peaceful and

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lawful response but that is easier said than done. You were injured

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trying to appeal for calm. We are in a very serious and difficult

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situation and that is why all the Unionist parties have come together

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to issue a call for calm. We need to channel the rightful anger and

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frustration of people against this ludicrous decision. We are trying to

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send a message out to people very strongly: Yes, the commission has

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rewarded violence, it has trampled the rights of Unionist people down

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in the face of violence but we want to respond to that in a strong way

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through political response, protest, action at every level, but to do so

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in a peaceful, democratic way. You pull out of talks which surely would

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have been the democratic future of trying to find a resolution. It's

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very difficult to engage in talks with people who have talked about

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catastrophic consequences if the Orange are allowed to return home.

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Parties in the Nationalist camp have talked about catastrophic

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consequences, people threatening to bring people out on the street. The

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parades commission itself decided that the threat of disorder and

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violence trumped everything else. It's very difficult to see a

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positive way forward. Out on the streets, in relation to this

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parade, there is no respect for Orange culture with the Unionist

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tradition. Some people might be surprised that the statement

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includes these parties. Police have talked about them still being

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involved in a wide range of criminal activity, blamed for serious rioting

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and an ongoing operation told today by the new chief constable to tackle

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UVF crime in east Belfast and yet you are aligning yourself with all

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of those parties linked. They have a mandates and Sinn Fein... I would be

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looking forward to be -- to the BBC putting forward their activities.

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Are those going to be protests right across Northern Ireland? What we

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would do is come together as a Unionist community and family. That

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is what we're doing in to prevent violence. We would urge everybody to

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remain calm, follow through a plan of action which will involve

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peaceful protests, Unionist leaders and parties of all persuasions

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coming together. That response will roll-out. As a first step, we will

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not engage with people about parades, flags and the past who are

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not sincere, hypocritical and hiding behind the threat of violence. Is

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this political leadership? It is. The tension and trouble on the

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streets have been caused by the parades commission, which is

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rewarding violence. Two years ago, shots were fired. If you let me

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finish for a minute and don't enter me, please. The parades commission

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have rewarded violence. Two years ago, dissident republicans came out

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and shot the police. They are stoking up tension. Instead of

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rewarding engagement and good behaviour, they are rewarding bad

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behaviour. Don't in our community respond like that. Respond in a

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political way. That is the graduated response we are talking about. Is

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this a sign of things to come in terms of elections in the future? I

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am glad to see the United Unionist approach on this issue. On serious

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issues, when we are confronted with the threat of violence and a lack of

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respect to our traditions, it is incumbent on leaders to come

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together and welcome it. Those are

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the political developments today. Let's get some analysis now

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from our political correspondent, No Unionist set talks. Was this a

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surprise? Not at all. was half expecting this to happen.

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In some ways, it was very easy to walk out of those talks. They won't

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being facilitated by the former US diplomat. There was low risk pulling

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out of them. I don't think unionism is in any mood to compromise. UKIP,

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when their boat was added in, the total was 100,000. One do you

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when their boat was added in, the believe source said that was the

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votes they should have got. We are trying to get

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votes they should have got. We are about this response. What is your

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reading of it? They are not telling us everything but we heard tonight

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we have talk of protests, we have this walk-out, we heard Peter

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Robinson didn't rule out pulling out when he was asked. It is something

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he has threatened before. He did that a few months ago. The executive

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is already in crisis over welfare reform and the budget and there are

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whispers, looking ahead, that unionism is very nervous about

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2016. Then like men scenario is Martin McGuinness becoming First

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Minister. It's a strategy which may backfire very badly.

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And there'll be more on this story on The View tonight here on BBC One

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Still to come on tonight's programme:

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Join me at the Ulster folk and transport Museum where I speak to

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some of the people who bring this place to life.

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Our housing market remains dysfunctional

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and poses a risk to economic recovery, a report has concluded.

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The taskforce, backed by Stormont, was appointed by the Social

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Development Minister to look at the impacts of the housing crash.

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Our economics and business editor, John Campbell, reports.

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This is one of hundreds of people who faces losing his home this

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year. His wife became ill and couldn't work. They fell behind on

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payments. He told me what to do. I thought I could still get a deal. I

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got it down to 1089 over the phone and we couldn't afford that. We

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cancelled the mortgage. Last year, 3700 repossession cases started at

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the High Court, almost exactly the same number as in 2008. It

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illustrates just how long the crash has been hitting our economy. And

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the task force worn it is not over yet. It found the rate of

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repossessions would have been higher if banks had taken a harder line on

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fears more people could be pushed over the edge when interest rates

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rise. Clifford Smiley has a different problem. He is deep in

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negative equity. His house is worth less than his mortgage. 70,000

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households could be the same position but Clifford too worried.

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It does annoy you that you bought it at that high price and is worth

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probably half what you bought it for but as I said, I bought it as a home

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and I didn't buy it to make any quick money. But negative equity has

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wider effects. Because you can't delete your mortgage by selling your

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house, you can't move, reducing the number of transactions and the task

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force says that means our housing market is dysfunctional. Some parts

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of the market are walking OK. This development is attracting plenty of

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first-time buyers but the task force says that in general terms, the

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problems and has identified pose risks to economic recovery. Now they

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are starting more work to see what can be done about it.

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It's likely you've visited it at least once

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The Ulster Folk and Transport is celebrating its 50th birthday.

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The Transport area houses one of the best rail galleries in Europe but

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it's the folk museum part of the site that's marking its half century

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and Donna is there for us this evening in the specially built town.

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You won't find it on a road map but it's at the heart of the folk museum

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which, for the past five decades, has taken us as far back as 100

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years ago when our ancestors? daily lives were a lot different, a time

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when there were no mobile phones, no computers,

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This place preserves the architectural part of

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our history and educates us about traditional skills and crafts.

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Earlier, I took a walk around to speak to some of the

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The first one is in the Drapery Shop, which is just down there.

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You are the woman behind all the fantastic costumes that the visitor

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guides were and many of the costumes are here, how important is it that

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they are authentic? Very important. The importance has to be on the

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authenticity of the costume. Competitor -- compared to today, the

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costumes are heavier and more restrictive. It's very modest as

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well, always up to the neck, arms covered. New visitor guides would

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find it different. There is no lycra or stretchy fabric, so it is a

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little bit different. You are here at the discovery farm. What a fine

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looking specimen you have here! How important was the pig in the days of

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farming 100 years ago? Very important. One of the pigs would

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have gone off the slaughter, one would have stayed on the farm for

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meat. You will see an awful lot of equipment and carts around the

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place. That is where I am going to do next. If I can interrupt you, as

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well as refurbishing, you are making an awful lot here. Describe what you

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create. This is 19th-century blacksmithing. These are the

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bellows, the fire. We are making farming implements. All the types of

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things that farmers would have made. We are working with the construction

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industry training board in Belfast. We are not only working in the past,

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we are working in the future as well. Just a flavour of some of the

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things you can see when you walk around the folk Museum here today.

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With me now is Dr Jim McGreevy, director of Collections

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and Interpretation, National Museums, Northern Ireland.

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When you look towards the future, what do you see? What I would want

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to see is respect and continuation of the legacy that our predecessors

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left us, a very rich cultural legacy, a legacy that creates so

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many opportunities and contributions to tourism. Obviously, we operate

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within a very tight financially challenged situation and given that,

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I would imagine that we are looking more towards enrichment of what we

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have already developed as opposed to major expansion. Do you mean more

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shops, cottages? Not necessarily. We have already developed quite a broad

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representation of types of buildings have already developed quite a broad

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trades, crafts and so on. I am have already developed quite a broad

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thinking more of developing opportunities that those provided.

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One thing we fill very strongly about is putting people at the

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centre, and from that point of view, one of the major step changes we

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would like to see is improving our facilities and developing

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would like to see is improving our visitor centre. No one is here at

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the moment. But I saw plenty of visitors today. Over the past 50

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years, has that profile of the visitor changed? It has. We have a

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very strong local visitor base. We also have a lot of interest from the

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Republic of Ireland and further afield. As many attractions have

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seen in recent years, we have benefited from the piece, but also,

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are offering is much richer. The programmes we are building are

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are offering is much richer. The richer and more diverse. Come back

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to us, where Angie will have the weather forecast. I wonder what the

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weather was like 50 years ago today? Disgraceful,

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disgusting and embarrassing. Just some of the reaction

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Garth Brooks fans have been giving us after news that two

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of his upcoming Croke Park concerts Dublin City Council has given

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permission for the first three shows to go ahead but not those on Monday,

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July 28th and Tuesday 29th. It said the level of disruption to

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residents would be unacceptable. Aiken Promotions, who are organising

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the concerts, said it's "very They say a further announcement

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on the two shows is expected There's been

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a heated reaction to the news on Be sure to leave us your comments

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if you've been affected. Back to Cultra now and to Angie for

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the weekend weather forecast. Not an awful lot of sunshine. But it

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has been quite warm today. 21 degrees in sheltered parts of South

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down. I have also had a look back to this day 50 years ago. Not too

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dissimilar. Similar temperatures. It was dry, maybe a bit more sunshine,

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though. That brings us on to the satellite picture. You can clearly

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see the cloud. It brought a few spots of rain in places. But that

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will fizzle away, so for most of us, a dry evening. But then things start

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to change. The wind will pick up from the south, the cloud will

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thicken up to bring spells of rain. But it will not be a cold night.

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Quite a muggy and warm night. Into tomorrow, eventually, some places

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will see an improvement, but for many of us, not a grey day. Through

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the morning rush hour, some places will get heavy and persistent spells

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of rain. It will not be too pleasant. Once that rain sets in, it

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looks as though it could well linger across parts of the East. But drier

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weather will follow in from the West and even a hint of something

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brighter. Temperatures tomorrow around 16 or 17 degrees. With that

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weather front, we're not out of the woods. Low-pressure moves in so

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still unsettled. If you get those showers, you will know about it.

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Some will be heavy and fun to read.

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