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Welcome to Wales Today. Tonight's headlines: Elinor Hughes has waited

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over nine months for a knee operation.

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Why doesn't the Welsh Government want the private sector to help

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A furious reaction as a driver is given community service for a car

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crash which killed two teenagers. Who really killed this

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Pembrokeshire couple? Tonight, a call to reopen the case.

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Queen of the British passenger fleet. Tonight, new footage of a

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landmark shipwreck off Anglesey. Day Good evening. In tonight's

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sport: The oh-so-nearly story once again. We'll have the latest from

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New Zealand. Gethin Jenkins and Stephen Jones should be fit to face

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Good evening. The Health Minister has hit back at

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claims the Welsh Government is allowing more and more use of

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private treatment within the NHS. Lesley Griffiths told BBC Wales she

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didn't want to see private companies making money out of the

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Health Service. Last year, more than 1,000 NHS patients in Wales

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were seen at a private hospital. That's less than 1% of all

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operations carried out. But, with some waiting list targets being

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missed, opposition parties are backing the use of private

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healthcare. Like thousands of others in Wales,

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Elinor Hughes from Anglesey has been waiting for any operation for

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over nine months. She says she is in fairly constant

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pain, but is still on the waiting list. The specialist told me that

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if I went privately and paid �10,000, I could get it done quite

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quickly. But I don't know, it's not very fair. Because of waiting times

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getting longer, some health boards themselves have been considering

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turning to the private sector. The Welsh Government has earmarked �65

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million to get to grips with waiting lists. But says spending it

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on private care is not the answer. We absolutely reject privatisation

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of NHS services. I don't want to see private companies making money

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from the NHS. We have reduced exceptionally well the number of

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private operations carried out. use of private hospitals like this

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one for NHS operations has pretty much been ruled out by the Welsh

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Government, as it has for the last four years. They say many earmarked

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for the NHS should stay inside the NHS. But now, some people say it

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might be time to change tack. If there isn't any room on NHS wards,

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private hospitals say they could pick up the slack. Let's make it

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transparent, as they have done in England for a number of years,

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where there is a tariff for each procedure. Everybody knows where

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they stand. As we have seen, the government isn't so keen on that

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idea. So, if they don't want to use the private sector, there might be

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another possible answer. The big question is, will we start to relax

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a bit on these waiting times targets in order to allow the

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health service a little bit more elbow room? Everyone within the

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health service wants to treat patients as quickly as possible.

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But how they do that with less money will come under increasing

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scrutiny over the next few years. Let's talk to our political editor

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Betsan Powys. Let's be clear. Has the minister given a definite no to

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using the private sector in the NHS?

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Yes, she has clearly rejected the privatisation of NHS services, but

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that is the Minister denying something she hasn't been accused

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of. But, she has also said, our government has given targets,

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waiting-list targets, to the health service and those must be wet --

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must be met. And it may mean they need to turn to the private sector,

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as a short-term last resort. That is moving away from Labour's

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manifesto pledge would be taught about a limited use of private

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hospitals in the NHS in Wales. Does this tally? No, they don't, says

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the Conservatives. Which parts of the NHS have said

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they would use private? Cardiff, and others, have said they

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need to deal with wedding lists which may mean we use private

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services. In the short term, they say they are of the same view as

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the Health Minister. There's been a furious reaction to the sentencing

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of a driver who caused the deaths of two teenagers last year. Ashley

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Williams has been given community service. He'd pleaded guilty to

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causing the deaths of a 16 and 18 year old in a crash near

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Aberystwyth. The judge said he knew some people might consider the

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Anger spilling on to the steps of Swansea Crown Court. Some family

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members couldn't contain their fury that the driver was given 250 hours

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of community service. There were similar scenes inside court. One

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relative shouted: "He got away with it." Another had to be dragged out.

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Ashley Williams, 22, left court, visibly shaken. He had been driving

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between Aberystwyth and Ponterwid in August last year. The court

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heard he wasn't speeding, but his lack of experience behind the wheel

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meant when he lost control of his car. He didn't know what to do. The

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Ford Focus he'd bought only two weeks earlier plunged 20 foot into

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a lake. He managed to free himself, but couldn't pull his friends out

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of the car, and had to run to get help. Two 16-year-old girls were

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rescued an hour later by the Fire Service. But Jai Burkes, 18, a

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childhood friend of Ashley Williams and Anwen Busby who was 16, both

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drowned. Judge Christopher Vosper said: "Nothing he could do today,

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would assist the families of Jai Burkes and Anwen Busby." He added

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he was hesitant, and that some would believe this sentence "too

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lenient". But a community order was looking towards Ashley Williams'

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future, and not his past. He was banned from driving for three years.

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As his father left court, he said his son had been through "a

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personal hell in the past year", and "the crash had been, and always

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will be a tragic accident". Let's talk to the barrister Andrew

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Taylor. Two people die, and the driver gets community service. What

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factors would the judge take into account in a case like this?

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It was plainly a very tragic plays and the often up will be felt many

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years to come. There will be a variety of things, the first thing,

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this was careless, not dangerous driving. It was careless driving,

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not even at the highest degree, according to the remarks made.

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There was no evidence of excessive speed, drugs or drink involved. The

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car was lawfully on the road. It was a momentary loss of control.

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These two young people tragically died. A difficult sentencing

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exercise for the judge. He has to reflect the fact two people lost

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their lives. He had to look at the culpability of the defendant, how

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dangerous the driving was? It was careless driving. And, how

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foreseeable the accident was. dead girls' relatives were very

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unhappy at the sentence. How difficult are decisions like these

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for the judge? Very difficult indeed. On one hand,

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two families plainly distraught. He needs to look at the sentencing

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guidelines. There are considered guidelines. The sentence imposed

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was well within the sentencing guidelines. It was not out of

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kilter with the government's recommendations. Therefore, I do

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not think there was anything wrong in principle. The judge said he had

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considered the Cons -- considered the sentence long and hard.

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Storm force winds have caused damage in many parts of Wales. In

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Merthyr Vale near Merthyr Tydfil, the wind blew the roof off this

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house and landed on a passing police car. No one was injured.

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Trearddur Bay on Anglesey saw very high waves, and there were gusts as

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strong as 81mph at Capel Curig. A man has appeared before

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magistrates in Worcestershire, charged with the manslaughter of

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Wales fan Mike Dye who suffered head injuries before last week's

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game against England at Wembley. Ian Mytton was remanded in custody

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partly for his own safety, after the court heard there were postings

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on a website, threatening revenge or retaliation.

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A leading forensic psychologist says a new investigation should be

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held into the deaths of an elderly brother and sister from

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Pembrokeshire in 1976. At the time, police claimed Griff Thomas had

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killed his sister during a row, before setting himself on fire. A

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possible link has been suggested to John Cooper, the man convicted of

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two double murders in the area. Aled Scourfield has been

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investigating for tonight's Taro Naw programme.

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Griff and Patti Thomas had lived together at their farmhouse for 70

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years. Their bodies were found in December 1976. Their deaths stunned

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this community in North Pembrokeshire. At the time, police

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launched a murder investigation. Patti Thomas had suffered severe

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head injuries. It is believed a weapon was used in the attack, but

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no murder weapon has been found. Griff Thomas had suffered severe

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burns, and also head injuries. Eventually, the police decided that

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Griff Thomas had attacked his sister during a row at the property,

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before setting himself on fire. However, one of their relatives has

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never believed the official explanation.

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The there is no way he could have done it. We have spoken to a

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consultant forensic * -- cyclist who says there are sufficient

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grounds to do out the official explanation and he says a court

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case review should be held into the deaths. He believes they died

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during a botched robbery. I feel there would be a substantial case

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for looking at this particular crime again as a cold case. In May

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this year, John Cooper was sentenced to four life sentences.

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One policeman believes there are parallels between those deaths, but

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also important differences. There are links because there was a fire,

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it was a man and a woman. But again, there wasn't a deft, a gun was not

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used, no evidence. The question is whether it is time to reopen the

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inquiry. Was an innocent man wrongly blamed for the death of his

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It was an early start for most of us with Breakfast clubs springing

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up to watch the World Cup. How did fans deal with the highs and lows

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of watching Wales? A fence put up on the Brecon

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Beacons during the foot-and-mouth outbreak must be pulled down after

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the Welsh Government refused it planning permission. Campaigners

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have welcomed the decision saying it was an eyesore. Graziers say it

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is important if they are to manage the land effectively. Caroline

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Evans won to take a look. It stretches for 4 1/2 miles to

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some of the most remote parts of the mountains. In this unforgiving

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landscape, it is difficult for our cameras to seek from the past. Here,

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it follows the line of the stream. To some it is an eyesore and there

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are pleased with the decision by the Welsh Government to refuse it

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per minute planning permission. is an enormous intrusion into the

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scene, the rural scene, across these wide-open spaces, and it is

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also a barrier to physical progress. The public has the right to roam

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over these hills. When Foot and Mouth arrived in Wales every flock

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on the Beacons was cold, with even healthy animals slaughtered to try

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to stop the spread of the disease. Edwin Harris lost around 1000 sheep.

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Since foot-and-mouth, he told me, everything up here has changed and

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not for the better. I will show you, we have grass coming like this when

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know she'd will eat its, Cowes 20 Tidd, horses won't eat it. -- she

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pointed tips. He told me how farmers managed the grazing here

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and without it diseases like foot and mouth would easily spread once

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more. It is important for disease Control. That is one strong reason

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why it should stay. Without permanent planning permission, the

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fence is illegal, but this is not the end of the matter. While the

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decision has been made that the fence cannot stay, who will enforce

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its removal has yet to be agreed, and that debate could end up in the

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courts. The new chair of Plaid Cymru, Helen

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Mary Jones, has denied allegations for -- by her sister that she

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claimed benefit while owning three homes. Never a Alexander says it is

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a disgrace that the former assembly member signed on after losing her

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seat. -- Myfanwy Alexander. Ms Jones said she registered for

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jobseeker's allowance but was not eligible for benefit and did not

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expect to receive any. She also denied owning three homes.

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Gutted: The words of Wales''s captain after losing to South

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Africa after -- by just a point in their opening world cup match. The

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squad say it is time to move on and they are not dwelling on what might

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have been, even though they have to win their remaining pool games to

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make the quarter-finals. Arriving back to the hotel after

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the game, Wales understandably jaded. Fans in reception showed

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their appreciation but for the players it was time to reflect on a

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game they know they should have won. No one can question Wales's

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commitment and a huge physical effort to have the world champions

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on the ropes. For all the ingredients were there but Wales

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could only look at themselves for not seeing out the victory. This

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drop goal and penalty both had chances to seal it. You can think,

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we have got this one, we definitely have it, and I was gutted at the

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end. There was no point dwelling on its, and there was no other option

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but to take it on the chin up. drop goal late run changed things,

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but little moments in the game cost us. The game suddenly -- certainly

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had its talking points. James Hook was convinced his first-half

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penalty went over but despite his organisers have since backed the

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official who disallowed the penalty to be checked by the referee. Wales

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must now move on and must beat Samoa on Sunday to keep their hopes

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alive. Stephen Jones and Gethin Jenkins are expected to return to

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full training this week, making them both available for selection.

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Wales nearly won the most important game in their history. They could

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go through to the quarters, that is the target. The objective is to get

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through to the quarters and forget South Africa. With the Rugby taking

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place thousands of miles away, Breakfast clubs here in Wales are

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springing up. Hundreds gathered in Cowbridge for breakfast in aid of a

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local charity, and as croissant cent jump were served, frustration

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dominated discussion. -- croissants and jam. We could have won that

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game. We should have beaten South Africa by a two points. We are

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looking good going forward. A lot of plus points but ultimately

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disappointment that we didn't take the win. But so much to be pleased

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about in our performance and much to be positive going on in the

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tournament. But we would have liked to have won and should have won.

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big game was the highlight of the World Cup so far but no much -- no

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matter how much they deserved to win, for them it is now win or bust.

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Wales left Wellington for Taupo, a few hours from Hamilton, where they

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will face Samoa on Sunday. Gareth Lewis is following the court --

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scored and I caught up with him earlier and asked how he thought

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the players dealt with the defeat. They seemed angry, first of all, in

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all honesty. Not at the referee given what had happened, angry with

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themselves, I think, because yet again they had the chance to win

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that game. It is another one that got away, and Sam Warburton said he

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was fed up to the back teeth. I am sure now in the 24 hours since they

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have taken stock. They are here in Taupo and they will move on to play

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Samoa next weekend. Fully focused on that game and some good injury

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news finally for warren Gatland. last, because he came out with

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walking wounded. Stephen Jones and Gethin Jenkins are both expected to

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take full part in training tomorrow. If they come through that and

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subsequent training sessions, they will be available for selection

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against Samoa on the weekend. If Wales picked up injuries against

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the Springboks, it there was a bit strong chance Ryan Jones would

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return home. However, Ryan Jones will stay here to continue his

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recovery from a calf injury, and the hope is he will be fit to play

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in the final pool game against Fiji. That is good news. You are in Taupo

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a few hours from Hamilton where the next game will put -- take place.

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How is the welcome there? It is quiet compared to Wellington. When

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it done is a thriving, bustling place and toe-poke is on the...

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There will be a big welcome for Wales tomorrow. They're are having

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an open training session. A lot of Welsh fans headed to Hamilton for

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the game and there is a big Polonaise in population, so plenty

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of support in warren Gatland's home town of Fort Samoa. Keep this up to

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date with everything out there. In football, Swansea City are still

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waiting for their first goal and first win in the Premier League.

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The Brits -- drew a blank for a 4th game in a row in a 1-0 defeat to

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Arsenal. They are now 19th in the table and one place of the bottom

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with manager Brendan Rodgers not travelling to the match because of

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the death of his father. Cardiff City are up to six in the

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Championship after a 2-0 win over Doncaster. Gerrard got there first

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and Robert Earnshaw put the glaring miss for Wales out of his system

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would the second. In cricket, Glamorgan are making

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history this evening by playing the first ever daylight County

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Championship match. The four Day game at Canterbury is being played

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under floodlights until 9pm each night using high-visibility pink

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balls. It is part of an experiment to see a first class cricket can be

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played under lights. Glamorgan seemed to be enjoying it the moment

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though, Kent 185-6. No sign of peace breaking --

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breaking out between World champion boxer Nathan Cleverly and opponent

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Tony Bellew. They held a press conference today in Cardiff to

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promote their fight in Liverpool on 15th October. They almost came to

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blows at a similar event earlier this year and police were called

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after exchanges between the rival camps threatened to get out of hand.

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The I don't think I have ever disrespected 10 or said anything

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obtuse or fissures. -- disrespected him. But I do say I can be vicious

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and militias and nasty but I save that for fight nights. A lot of

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people including people from this area want to see me beat Tony

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Bellew because they know what he is like with his loudmouth. I want to

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teach and some respect. Lots of fighting talk there. It was the

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greatest maritime tragedy of its day, the Royal Charter was the

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queen of the British passenger fleet with nearly 500 passengers

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and crew died when she ran aground off the Anglesey coast in 1859.

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The wreck has long fascinated divers and treasure hunters and now

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there is new underwater footage of how she looks on the seabed. His

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Roger Pinney. The waters may be a murky, but the

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artifacts are unmistakable. Here, barnacle encrusted chain links

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provide shelter for a hermit crab. The maker's Mark can still be read

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on a fragment from a bone china dinner plate. It is 152 years after

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the Royal Charter foundered. When she was built on the Dee at

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Sandycroft in present-day Print Show she was state of the art. The

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Queen Mary to of a day -- present a venture. Underwater filming has

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revealed a snapshot of life on board. We would love to say there

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is lots of treasure there but it is mainly miscellaneous items that

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were available to the passengers. Jelly moulds, knives, forks, spoons,

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the occasional pistol. Just everything that was around in

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Victorian times. At the time of the loss the Royal Charter made

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headlines around the world. Passengers included Australian gold

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rush millionaires, some still carrying their bullying. When the

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storm hit, the captain tried to sit out of the Anglesey coast, but in

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the dark of night she was driven on to rocks. It is windy here today

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but this does not compare to the storm which swept through here the

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night the Royal Charter ran aground. Then, the winds were 100 mph,

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hurricane force, and not even her anchor chains could hold of. The

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Royal Charter has become a passion for Chris Holden and his wife

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Lesley. He has made countless times on her and today they have written

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a book telling the ship's story. There were a lot of very wealthy

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people on board who lost their lives. And number of bodies were

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found with quite a lot of gold in their pockets. And gold was very

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heavy for trying to swim ashore in incredible weather, with gold in

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your pockets, you won't stand a chance at all. Rumours of gold left

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on board still persist. What is it about a shipwreck?

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Not many of you know this but Derek owes his career to what happened

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when the Royal Charter ran aground, isn't that right? It led to the

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first gale warning service by the Met Office in 1860. You have had a

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busy day today. Yes. The weather has kept me on my

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toes. Lots of gale warnings in force today. The strongest wind in

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the north near Capel Curig in Snowdonia, 81 mph recorded. In the

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south, the highest 62 mph at Mumbles Head near Swansea. There is

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still a Met Office wind warning for the next few hours, as strong to

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gale force wind, and the reason for this weather is the remains of

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Hurricane Katia who will move off to Norway tonight and weaken. It is

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a windy evening out there, staying windy overnight, and the wind will

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ease a little with the odd shower here and there but on the whole dry

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with breaks in the cloud, most temperatures 11-14 Celsius.

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Tomorrow morning, parts of the North, Mid Wales and these will

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start dry and bright enough with sunshine, but elsewhere cloudy. --

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and the East. Holst -- heavy showers as well. Not as windy as

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today, a fresh to strong westerly breeze. Showers spreading across

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the country tomorrow and you may hear a rumble of thunder but in the

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afternoon the showers will ease with more dry weather, the best of

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the sunshine in the south and east. Feeling for tomorrow, not as windy

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as today but still strong enough, forecast winds 46 mph in Barry, 48

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in Aberystwyth. On Wednesday, less Windsor -- windy with a few showers

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and a little sunshine. Beyond that, Thursday the best day, dry would

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like wind and sunshine but it looks to turn unsettled by the weekend.

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The Conwy Honey Fair is taking place tomorrow and it will be

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sweeter than today weather Wise and less windy, with sunshine. Our

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picture tonight is from and rich Morgan, Brig waves crashing into

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lines laid Bay on South Gower. -- Andrew Morgan. Sunshine and

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blustery showers tomorrow. If you have voted to share, send it in, e-

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mail is best. -- have a photo to share. You can also follow me on

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Twitter as well. We will have an update at 8pm, and

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