15/11/2011 BBC Wales Today

Welcome to Wales Today. Our top story tonight: The Welsh Government

has lost an important vote on its spending plans for next year. A

vote so crucial, where every vote counts, that AMs came in off their

sick beds and they listened to pretty damning criticism. Where is

the sense of urgency? Does the government not realise that unless

we do something quickly, a generation of young people will

Our other headlines tonight: Michael Dye was killed before

September's Wales game at Wembley. A man admits his manslaughter.

Also tonight: A multi million pounds makeover for Rhyl's harbour.

The cost seems to get ever higher but they have no choice but to

drive. Rural motorists on the price of fuel.

And the smoker fined �500 for dropping her cigarette butt outside

her home. I'm not happy about it. I'm not. I'm not going to pay,

because to me, I haven't done Good evening. Talks to find a

resolution to the Welsh budget stalemate will intensify tonight

after the Government lost a vote in the Assembly. Labour failed to gain

the support of any one of the opposition parties to secure its

spending plans for next year. Opposition leaders say they won't

back the Government's plans without major changes. Our political editor,

Betsan Powys, is at the Senedd. Thanks, Jamie. Well, the clock is

now ticking. The talks Labour are already having with the opposition

parties will truly have to get going. That's because the crunch

vote on the draft budget comes on December 6th. That is when the

Government cannot afford to do what they did this afternoon - fail to

gain support for their spending plans. This report from Mark

Hannaby. When the government lacks an

overall majority, as this Welsh government does, other parties can

band together using their every voter hamper its progress. Clwyd

West Conservative Darren Millar is recovering from a broken ankle but

he was not going to miss this debate. The opposition parties knew

that by rounding up all their members they had the numbers to tie

and in failing to carry its motion, the government would lose the vote.

The motion is not agreed. debate's outcome before it started.

The Conservatives, Plaid Cymru and the Liberal Democrats had agreed an

amendment opposing plans to spend �14.5 billion. They said the draft

budget did not address pressures on schools and the NHS and did not

tackle what they call the worsening the team -- economic crisis.

believe the draft budget is not fit for purpose. It does not address

the needs of the people of Wales. Last year, we highlighted the fact

that the Budget did not do enough for the economy or education.

also argued the draft budget did not provide for building roads,

schools and hospitals. This government has done very little so

far. Where is the sense of urgency? Does the government not realise

that unless we do something quickly, a generation of young people will

have been failed. The government argues its spending plans are

responsible, given cutbacks in funds from Whitehall. Minister's

question exactly where the other parties will have made their cuts.

This is a credible budget by a responsible government and it

reflects the priorities and issues that you have debated with us over

the past few weeks. If this foot embarrasses the government, it is

not a major setback. There is a lot of negotiating to be to -- to be

done. Ministers are only need to do a deal with one or other party to

clear the hurdle. Today's outcome should focus minds on the

importance of making that happen. So how does the last government

make things happen? The bottom line is that the Welsh block grant is

the last block grant. You cannot conjure up any more money. Labour

will have to talk and the government will have to shift some

money towards manufacturing, capital spending which is what

Plaid Cymru want in return for their votes. All they will have to

rejig the education budget, making sure that the poorer schools in

Wales get more money which would gain support from the Liberal

Democrats. Both options mean a little less money or a lot less

money for something else. The opposition parties have been Corry

in telling us where that money would come from. -- coy. The final

budget has to be laid on November 29th which is just a fortnight away.

No surprises then that the government is saying tonight that

is a long way to go but they are focused on getting an agreement.

Father of three Michael Dye was killed before Wales' Euro 2012

qualifier at Wembley in September. Today, a 41-year-old man admitted

his manslaughter. Ian Mytton from Redditch entered his plea via video

link from jail. Sian Lloyd reports. In September, flowers and tributes

were laid outside the grounds of Cardiff City Stadium to the

lifelong Bluebirds and Wales fan who was killed in Wembley outside

the home of English football. The 44-year-old had travelled to London

to watch Wales play in the Euro 2012 qualifier, but police were

called just before kick off. The father of three died from head

injuries shortly after being taken to hospital. Following his death,

police appealed for information and released this CCTV picture of Gate

C of Wembley Stadium. They wanted fans in the picture to get in touch.

Michael Dye was a popular Cardiff City fan, who wrote about his team

on the Cardiff City Forum. Players and supporters remembered Mikey, as

he was known to many, before the match against Doncaster. He is a

big loss. He was a great family man and lived life to the full. It

leaves a big hole to replace. than 10,000 followed a Facebook

page set up in his memory. Ian Mytton from Reddich in the West

Midlands didn't travel to the Old Bailey today, but pleaded guilty to

manslaughter by video link from jail. He will be sentenced there on

the 21st of December. Denbighshire County Council has

agreed to give an extra half a million pounds towards redeveloping

Rhyl's harbour. The �10 million project to create a footbridge and

public square is already the biggest of its kind in the county.

More from Matthew Richards. This is a part of Rhyl which has

been the focus of redevelopment plans for a number of years. The

demolition of the funfair should have led to new shops and homes but

that fell through. While major work continues to strengthen the sea

defences, plans are on show for a �9 million refit for the Foryd

Harbour. A new footbridge is designed to carry pedestrians and

cyclists between the counties of Conwy and Denbighshire. But it will

cost more than originally planned. It has happened because we did not

put in enough contingency at the beginning of the project. It is

also a complex project. It is important that we get it right.

Dave Clayton moors his boat at Foryd Harbour. He's largely in

favour of the proposed changes. But he's worried that the bridge, which

would rise up to allow boats through the channel, could pose

problems. Originally, there were serious concerns that if the bridge

did not open for whatever reason, it would be a serious -- it would

risk damage to boats and loss of life. As her -- that has been

remedied by the haven which has added cost to the project but it

has made it acceptable to the uses of the harbour. Those supporting

the project believe it will boost visitor numbers and encourage more

people to use their bikes to make short trips around Rhyl. It is

important to spend this kind of money on this kind of project.

radical transformation could be just 16 months away and people from

different backgrounds in real say the investment is worth making

because it will pay off in the long run. -- Rhyl.

Three fire crews are currently tackling a large mountain fire near

Caernarfon tonight. Around 18 firefighters are at the village of

Carmel. The fire is reported to have spread across four acres. No

homes have been evacuated. We'll bring you more on this as we have

Parents are being urged to vaccinate their children against

whooping cough after a spike in the number of cases. So far this year,

there have been 37 confirmed cases, more than double than last year.

The illness, also known as pertussis, causes severe coughing

fits and can be particularly serious for young babies. Because

the numbers are going up, it's important that parents make sure

there children are immunised at the right time. The pre-school vaccine

is important as well. The rising cost of fuel has made it

to Parliament today. MPs in Westminster are debating a motion

calling on the UK Government to freeze a three pence hike at the

pumps in January. Many in Wales say they're disproportionately feeling

the pain because they live in rural areas and have no choice but to

drive. Abigail Neal spent the day in Tregaron, gauging opinion.

It's mart day. Farmers queue round the block to bring their animals,

every one by car. Michael Phillips works three farms near Abersytwyth.

It costs him �20 more a week to drive between them this year than

it did last. And he'd like the politicians to ease the pain.

don't think they do enough for people living the country. There

are more costs than people in towns and it is surprising how would

Manser up with the price of fuel going up all the time. Because of

greater distances and less public transport in rural areas, people

rely on their cars more and when the fill-up at the pump, they face

higher prices. We try and make 4p a litre. We put 4p on the price but

the supermarkets, we can't compete. Tregaron high street is typical.

One look and you can't miss our reliance on the motor. There is a

bus every two hours here, but even those who don't drive aren't

gloating. It still affects me because as soon as fuel goes up,

the cost of living goes up and everything else. Richard Morris was

the only person I met who wasn't worried. He drives a small, fuel

efficient car and thinks more people should do the same. It is

not impacting on the much. It goes up a few pence but that is because

I have a card that has 100 to the gallon. If my carded 32 per gallon,

it would be a crisis. -- car. in areas like this would like to

see special rural fuel relief to try and balance the burden they

face, but that's not on the cards. The most they can hope for is a

freeze. Still to come on Wales Today:

Fuming at number seven. The smoker fined �500 for dropping her

cigarette butt. And our scientists are a step

closer to treating and curing type First, a woman says she will fight

until her last breath to stay in her home in Aberystwyth despite

developers wanting to buy her property to make way for a new

Tesco. For 56-year-old Enid Jones says she

has nothing against the supermarket but her property is not for sale.

This is the centre of any Jones's life. She deliberately chose to

live in the middle of Aberystwyth. -- Enid Jones. It is my home, it is

not a house to me, it is my home, and I have settled down here in the

last seven years and they don't want to leave. But her home is now

under threat. After a bidding process, Ceredigion Council have

selected a developer to build a car park and more shops, including a

new Tesco on land they owned behind Glyndwr Road. The problem is

according to the plans, the road is in the way and will have to be

demolished. Nine of the 12 homeowners in the street have

already agreed to sell up, but three have refused. The developers

say their scheme to bring a Tesco to Aberystwyth will require the

demolition of Glyndwr Road. wouldn't envisage that Glyndwr Road

will survive. We have been selected for a particular project which

includes 12 houses on Glyndwr Road. Enid has nothing against Tesco and

wouldn't mind if the new shop was built right up to her garden wall.

For 40 years, supermarkets have gradually changed the face of our

towns and cities. This is Tesco's latest and biggest store in Wales

which opened last month in Newport, a week after the new Morrisons half

a mile away. There are now 168 stores in Wales

operated by the big four. It is often alleged supermarkets damage

town centres by drawing trade away. Research carried out by 17

University found that putting a supermarket near a town centre can

actually bring trade back by increasing ft 4, but the

implications of this, that out-of- town supermarkets can have negative

effects. -- ft fall. Enid is not interested in the arguments. She

just wants to know whether her house will be demolished. If they

feel as if I had no breath left in my body because it is my home and I

paid for it and I want to live there, and I do not want to move.

will fight every step of the way. The developer and the council point

out there will be public consultation on the proposals. Enid

hopes the scheme can be amended. Let's talk to Chris Sutton, a

director of property consultants Jones Lang LaSalle, who has sold

sites to supermarkets including Asda and Tesco. Why should anyone

like Enid be forced out of their home just for a supermarket? It is

a special case, I think, in terms of the CPO process there, and she

will have rights under that. But I think there is a wider perspective

here in terms of regeneration of town centres. You need significant

funding for that process, and actually you need land value. Land

value comes predominantly from residential or retail. So it is OK

just turf out people who live there. I didn't say that. You need to look

at this in the round. People vote with their feet, their purses and

wallets. Superstores are very popular locations for us. It is a

case of the planning system creating a framework where we put

them where we want them to be. I think maybe one of the issues is

that the current system is not responding how it should be at the

moment. Many local development plans are not up to date. If we

tell the superstore operators where to go, we have a chance of going

forward. Judging by the research, we should be set -- telling

supermarkets not to go to out-of- town areas because that will kill

off our town centres. That sounds like the message. Actually, you

have brought forward an example there of a town centre scheme. That

is not an out-of-town one. If this -- this was on a roundabout out of

town we would not see houses coming into the framework. So there

actually is a balance here and we are all agreed that we want a

complementary system whereby the food store works with the retailers

in the town system -- Centre, but there also needs to be a balance

here were that land is available. You hear about plenty of opposition

to supermarkets offer. Why does it markets always seem to win? It is a

very popular and strong concept. As they say, it is down to the public

voting with their feet, purses and wallets. This is what we want, we

want value, convenience and a significant range, and it is a case

of, as I say, the planning system find in a complementary mix. Chris

Sutton, thank you. This conversation will continue in

tonight's Week in Week Out at 10:35pm on BBC wealth -- BBC One

Wales. A mother from Pontypridd says she had to -- would rather go

to prison than pay a �500 fine for dropping a cigarette outside her

home. Tracey John was given an on- the-spot penalty and she says it is

a question of freedom. From there cannot Taf Council says it will not

tolerate littering. Carwyn Jones has more. -- 1 the Cynon Taf

Council. Tracey John has smoked for 35 years

and it has now proved a costly habit. Earlier this year she was

having a cigarette here on the front doorstep. An enforcement

officer from the council paid her a visit to talk about some rubbish on

the roadside. What Tracey did next led to an eventual five of �465.

don't like going out smoking and chatting and everywhere, but

outside my own house, on my path, to put a cigarette out, stamp on it

and put it in my pocket, I don't see the big issue about it.

council did not see it that way. They have a zero-tolerance approach

to littering here, or what they call Eco crime.

They have a different version of events, claiming Mr John refused to

pick up the cigarette she Jock -- dropped and was given an on-the-

spot fine of �75. Because she refused to pay it it has gone up to

nearly �500. In a statement the But Tracey John is standing firm,

even if it means going to jail. She says she will continue fighting a

case, and she certainly will not stop smoking.

Scientists in Cardiff say they have moved a step closer to treating and

even perhaps curing Type 1 diabetes. They are working on a vaccine which,

if successful, could be ready in the next decade. Over the last six

months we have been telling you about our reporter Nick Palit and

his dire but -- diagnosed as of Type 2 diabetes. He has been

speaking to scientists across Wales to find out how their research is

contributing to the fight against the disease.

Could the answer to treating type 1 diabetes lie in these tubes?

Cardiff University scientists hope so. They believe they research

could one day help with treatment and prevention of the disease.

have an optimistic view of this. We could eradicate the disease

altogether. Type 1 diabetes is caused by the immune system

destroying the insulating -- insulin making cells of the

pancreas. It is mostly diagnosed before the age of 40 with around

half patients diagnosed in childhood. Patients have to inject

themselves with insolent for the rest of their lives and there is no

cure. -- insulin. The grouping Cardiff is looking at preventing

type 1 diabetes patients from worsening. Cells and the punch

Diabetes patients their own immune Diabetes patients their own immune

system attacks these cells and destroys them. Scientists have

shown in the past that drugs that suppress the immune system have

slowed down the rate of damage to consider making cells, so what the

group at Cardiff has done is taking a small part of the insulin

producing cells and injected the mid- to patients. It is hoped the

immune system can be re-educated immune system can be re-educated

and the injection effectively becomes a diabetes vaccine. That

could mean that you might still need the occasional insulin

injection, maybe once a day, but your sugar levels would be much

better. There is another aspect which is that if it was very safe,

we could give it to people before they develop diabetes and prevent

it ever happening. The researchers are also interested in what makes

the immune system attacks. We also do a lot of work in the laboratory

to try to find out what it is in relation to the genetics

interacting with the environment that makes the immune system

attacks the pancreas. We want to study a wider cells do what they do

when they go to the pancreas, and also, in very basic immune terms,

how we can turn those off. The hope is that if their word goes well --

workers were the future, insulin Nikkei share -- cells was destroyed

could be regenerated and other types of cells could be changed

into producing insulin. That is what this research group at Bangor

University want to do as well. They are looking at a gene which is

similar to another gene with a brought him insolent producing

cells in humans. When humans have mutations in this gene, they get

diabetes or they don't form pancreas at all. But some animals

are able to do this in the absence of this team. So we are interested

in how they are doing that. doctor hopes his work could

identify new genetic parkways -- pathways for the production of

insolent cells. Humans have one way of doing things, but in diabetics

it goes the other way. -- insulin cells. We need to find other ways

to manipulate or take advantage, to make pancreas cells that could be

implanted into patients, or just regulate insolent in slightly

different way. -- B insulin. Back in Wales the search for a cure goes

on but researchers at an early stage and it could be 10 years or

more before the research has completed. We cannot do any of this

without the patients taking part, and we know when you're newly

diagnosed with page -- type one died be -- diabetes it is a shock,

but we want to say there is hope and if people take part in studies

we would have new treatments. Professor Dayan ending that report.

Tomorrow night Nick will speak to Craig Dee from Pontypridd who has

had a pancreas transplant because of diabetes, and also to scientists

in the process of trying out an opera -- artificial pancreas.

A large bear and the rattle of a collecting tin can only mean one

thing-this Friday is BBC children In Need. This week we will report

on where your money went after your donations last year. Tonight

western singing star Connie Thatcher visits the Daffodils

project near Mold which organises activities for disabled youngsters

-- Connie Fisher. -- West End singing star.

An extraordinary family he was supported by your generous

donations to Children In Need. I hope they are in. Sandra O'Brien is

a single woman with three sons, Alex, Ben and Sam, and Alex and

then have special needs. Benn has extreme learning difficulties.

must be absolutely shattering. the go all day long. The boys need

extra support for their education, and mum needs a hand as well.

3. That is where the Daffodils project comes into their lives. It

is a support group for disabled children and their families.

wouldn't do without Daffodils. It is a godsend. Children In Need is

crucial for funding projects just like this one. It impacts on so

many families' lives, so please be as generous as you can. They depend

What have you got for as for Friday There is a change on the way,

hopefully Friday will be dry and quite mild as well with southerly

winds, good news for fund-raising. Sunshine today for the Bangor

Bethesda Ramblers but it hasn't been sunny everywhere. Tonight

generally dry with clear skies but cloud will become more widespread

later on. A chilly night with temperatures in parts of the north-

west falling as low as two or three Celsius with a touch of ground

frost. Tomorrow morning a grey and cloudy start for most of the

country, feeling quite chilly as well, some hill fog, even the odd

spot of drizzle, otherwise dry, and as we move into the north-west it

should be quite bright, hopefully some sunshine in North Wales with

temperatures starting at six Celsius. The best of the sunshine

tomorrow will be in the north-west of the country, Gwynedd, Conwy and

Anglesey. Elsewhere generally cloudy and we will find rain

spreading out from the south-west during the afternoon. Top

temperatures between 9 and 13 Celsius and a south-easterly breeze.

On the north coast tomorrow, dry, a little sunshine, temperatures

should rise to 11 in North Wales. Tomorrow night it looks like we

will all see rain, heavy for a time, but this will clear, then Thursday

doesn't look too bad. Dry and bright with sunshine and quite mild,

13 Celsius in Swansea, 55 Fahrenheit. Friday looks set to

bring plenty more dry weather to us, breezy and mild, 14 Celsius with

the wind blowing to the south. The mild weather looks set to continue

out over the weekend with sunshine on offer on Saturday. Last year you

may remember we had an icy blast in the last week of November, but

there is no sign of a repeat performance this year, well not yet

The headlines again, the Welsh Government has failed to gain the

support of any opposition parties to security spending plans for next

year. Opposition leaders say they will not back the plans without

major changes. We will have an update for you here