17/09/2014 BBC Wales Today

Welcome to Wales Today live from Edinburgh.

Politicians from Wales have been pounding the streets here for weeks.

As the final day of referendum campaigning draws to a close,

both Yes and No camps are using every last hour to make their case.

The people of Wales, England and Northern Ireland won't get a say

but we'll be meeting the Welsh ex- pats living here who do get a vote.

Why not go for it? Why is anyone want to be controlled by someone in

another country? The feeble amount of money I have got, I will try to

transferred down south. One of Wales' most successful

clothing manufacturers What difference would a Yes vote

make to businesses like theirs? Whatever the result, the UK

is on the brink of change. We'll be looking at implications

for our national identity. Trading Standards officers

crackdown on under the counter cigarettes as it's revealed 15% of

all tobacco sold here is illegal. And the pressure's on - tonight,

the future of Cardiff City's manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer

could be hanging in the balance. With only hours to go

until the polls close, it's a city that feels charged

with an almost electrical tension. Campaigners from the Yes and No

camps have come here from as far afield as Anglesey,

Pembrokeshire and the South Wales Valleys frantically making

their case to undecided voters who will hold the key

to the outcome. But it isn't just the future

of Scotland that will be decided - Wales, Northern Ireland and England

are also at a cross roads. We begin tonight with James Williams

who's been following the referendum campaign for Wales Today

from the beginning. A two-year debate is now in its

final hours. Time is running out for the two camps as they make their

final push for votes. Tomorrow's decision is for Scotland alone but

Wales' voice has also been heard in this campaign. Welsh politicians

from both sides of the debate have been making their case, including

the Welsh Secretary of state who was in Glasgow today campaigning in

support of the union. But Stephen Crabb recognises a mood for change

which could see more powers devolved to Wales and the issue of

underfunding addressed. It is work we are looking at closely at UK

Government level and going forward as part of this rethink of the

British constitution, we need to be looking at funding issues as they

apply to Wales. He also hinted at a shift in position which also

restricted income tax powers to Wales. I have always been

open-minded about income tax powers in Wales. As a Scotland is getting a

new swathe of powers, it is right that we look again at this, sooner

rather than later. These are issues to be addressed if Scotland votes

no. The latest polls suggest it has a slender lead when the undecideds

are excluded. But the supporters of independence say there is all to

play for. Welsh nationalists are buzzing with excitement at the

possibility. They feel it will reverberate southwards. In Wales, we

can take inspiration from this. We are a few years behind but the

people of Wales are also asking, if Scotland can decide on its own

future, this situation is not that different, why can't we also do it?

But what about the Welsh in Scotland who actually have a vote? This man

was born and raised in Ceredigion and he thinks a Yes vote can create

a new future for his adopted country. Why not go for it? Why does

anyone want to be controlled by someone in a different country,

especially as it stands just now, the three leaders in London are on a

different planet. But not everyone shares his conviction. In this rural

village, retiree Keith Bowen from Carmarthenshire is concerned about

an independent Scotland's finances. I think a lot of money will go out

of Scotland. The feeble amount of money I have got, I will try to

transferred down south. If it does go that way, I will certainly very

strongly think that we should move back to Wales. Keith believes

Scotland's future is best served in the union. This woman is not so

certain. The Glasgow University lecturer is wavering from one side

to the other on almost a daily basis. She wonders what impact a Yes

vote might have on Wales. Scotland going independent would leave Wales

as practically the loan Celtic voice in Westminster. Does that leave them

in a very weak position? Possibly. And on the one hand it might inspire

people in Wales to fight for independence and in some ways I

would like that they would, but Wales is in a very different

position to Scotland in terms of economics. Just some of the voices

with a Welsh accent in a national conversation of over 4 million but

with the referendum hanging in the balance, every vote will count.

Whatever happens, there is a promise that change is coming to this

place. But it is far less certain where that leaves Wales.

David Torrence has written books on Scotland's referendum

and about Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond.

An historic day for Scotland, obviously, but also historic for

Wales, England and Northern Ireland. Absolutely. The union is often cast,

particularly in Scotland, as an Anglo Scottish relationship but it

is a 4 way relationship. Whatever happens, it will have an impact on

all four parts of the United Kingdom. You have lived in Wales for

a while. Independence is not on the agenda there in a way that it so is

here. Much lower levels. In recent polls it was 11%. Historically it

has been much higher in Scotland and now it is higher still. But I think

it would have a knock-on impact. It would certainly increase Plaid

Cymru's confidence going into the next assembly elections and

developing that argument in Wales. When you arrive in this city, the

place is electric. You can almost touch the atmosphere. The nervous

tension is extraordinary. I have been back-up for a few months. I was

in London before that. A lot of people are running on adrenaline.

Unusually, hyperbole does not apply but in this case it is absolutely

justified. The cliche, too close to call, applies to the result and also

another cliche that whatever happens, the status quo is not an

option. Thank you very much. If this campaign has been

about anything its been about winning hearts and minds,

but also pockets and purses too. The economy has been at

the centre of the debate here with both sides claiming the stability of

the country is best in their hands. So what would a Yes vote mean

for our businesses in Wales? Our correspondent Brian Meechan

has been finding out. It is Scotland's referendum but its

impact will be felt in Cardiff and across Wales for workers, shoppers

and businesses. The result is as uncertain as what comes next. And if

there is one thing businesses hate, it is an certainty. Whether there is

a yes or No vote in this referendum, it will usher in major changes in

Wales. For businesses, that means potential risks, but also if they

can adapt to whatever comes along, potentially great rewards. The Royal

Bank of Scotland has already said it will base its headquarters in London

in the event of independence although it does not expect jobs to

move. It means this Scottish company would remain firmly British in the

event of a Yes vote. Experts say companies could be attracted to

Wales' new financial zone but there would be competition from English

cities. Coming out of Scotland, they don't necessarily want to move to

London. The great advantage Cardiff has got is that you already have a

pool of knowledge in financial services, provide the infrastructure

and the people to do it, or the right elements, and it will attract

business. Even if there is a narrow No vote, some may decide to relocate

if it looks as if the issue is not settled and another referendum

looms. Another uncertainty is what currency Scotland will use. The

Scottish Government wants to continue with the pound as part of a

currency union with the UK. The Conservatives, Labour and the

Liberal Democrats have rejected the idea of a deal. And that matters to

businesses like this one where bosses do not believe there will be

any currency union. It employs 60 people, manufacturing knitwear and

socks for brands like burglary and the Royal Family. It is hard to see

how Scotland can vote yes and keep the pound. You can't have your own

tax making laws if you are going to run someone else's currency. There

is going to be a stranger rape issues. We will have two factor in

an element into our -- there is going to be exchange rate issues.

For businesses, workers and consumers in Wales, this referendum

has huge implications. We can't know yet the full extent of what they

are. In homes

across this country tonight, even now, people will be wrestling

with which way to vote tomorrow. For people here,

this debate has certainly raised questions about identity and what it

means to be Scottish. Later we'll be exploring Britishness

and what if anything it now means. First, the rest

of the day's news with Lucy. Counter-terrorism police have seized

material from a house in Cardiff The property in the Cathays area

of the city, was searched early this morning and

a number of items were taken away. South Wales Police said there was no

immediate threat to public safety and that cooperation with the local

community was vital to tackle A man has been remanded in custody

charged with the murder of a woman from Flintshire who was found

strangled and with head injuries. The body of Karen Catherall,

who was 45, 47-year-old Darren Jeffreys

appeared before magistrates today. He'll appear again before Mold Crown

Court at the end of the month. An inquest into her death

has been opened and adjourned. Almost half of smokers here have

been offered illegal tobacco. That's according to the anti-smoking

group ASH. In the first research of its kind,

the findings also suggests Wales has a larger market

in under-the-counter cigarettes Our health correspondent Owain Clake

has the story. We are doing inspections today

looking for illicit tobacco. Trying to stamp out a trade worth

millions. A team led by Trading Standards searching for illegal

cigarettes in Cardiff. This place is not easy to search. But soon the

dogs sniff something out. We have got an indication of a tobacco

product down there. Bingo. Several illegal packs hidden inside a

printer. They have a very small quantity under the counter, just to

show, and then they will have a larger stash somewhere else in the

store. If someone is found guilty of selling these, there is a fine and

ebb to ten years in prison and this team say they are uncovering more

and more. They recently seized ?40,000 worth of illegal cigarettes

in two days. And there are three types. Regular cigarettes imported

duty free from abroad. Illicit cigarettes for the black market. And

counterfeit tobacco. Most are sold from private homes but many can be

bought under the counter in pubs, clubs or shops. Organised criminals

have been linked to this apply. Typically, at around ?4 per packet,

they are half the price of regular packets. If you can access illegal

packets for half the price of retail tobacco, it makes it very easy to

start smoking. Adult smokers are not motivated to quit. Mark George is a

19-year-old youth worker and says more and more people are

deliberately sneaking out illegal smokes. People who smoke illegal

cigarettes are of college for a week. Tests have found high levels

of undesirable substances. The Welsh Governance Centre 's ?7,000 extra

will be spent on sniffer dogs and, in the backyard of another Cardiff

grocery store, this one has made another find. It looks like they

have arrived a little too late. We have found evidence of illicit

tobacco. The hundreds of cigarettes that were once inside have gone but

despite this disappointment, they know it will not be long before they

find many more. The body which represents doctors

in Wales has called for a full scale independent inquiry

into all services in the NHS. The chairman of the BMA questioned

the sustainability of the service He also called for

Health Inspectorate Wales to be made independent

and said that the policy on whistleblowing wasn't fit

for purpose. The Welsh Government says it looks

forward to reading the report. If we don't do something now, the

way that the shortage of stash -- staff and escalating costs and

inefficient management processes are going, we face imminent meltdown to

the NHS that will be irretrievable. The Church in Wales has announced

that people who object to women bishops on the grounds of conscience

can remain in the Church. During a meeting in Lampeter today,

a code of practice for women bishops was discussed,

which said they were equal with their male counterparts, but that

a male bishop could be requested The bishops did what we ask them to

do. They deliberately trust we put in them to come up with a code that

will allow everyone to feel included and valued.

The number of people unemployed in Wales, has remained

In Wales, 96,000 people are out of work.

The Welsh Government said the figures are down

The Welsh Rugby Union has launched a nationwide education programme

to help everyone involved in the game to recognise and remove

They say at the elite level players and officials are well aware

of the dangers but, at grass roots, especially where children

are involved, there's a need for greater awareness of the dangers of

of continuing to play while concussed.

We want to give all of those involved the tools to recognise the

signs and symptoms of concussion and when they do to make sure they

remove those players from play or training at the appropriate time and

they do not return to play until they have seen a doctor.

Football, and it seems the future of Cardiff City manager

Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is hanging in the balance tonight.

It's understood he's met club officials today to discuss

his future after they were booed off at the end of

Claire Summers is outside the stadium for us tonight.

As you can imagine, the rumour mill has gone into overdrive but as

things stand, the future does look bleak for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Appointed in January, it seems his reign may now be over. This seems to

have been prompted by the defeat to Middlesbrough last night. The start

of the season has been a disaster for Cardiff and things get worse

every time they take to the field. It is a run of form which has seen

just one point from the last 12, leaving them in 17th place in the

championship. While we have been on air, a slight development. My

sources have told me that talks are still going on between Ole Gunnar

Solskjaer and the chairman and these have been initiated by the manager

himself. The feeling is that talks will result in him leaving his post

and for that not to happen would take a huge effort from the chairman

but we are told the talks are amicable and they do not involve

owner Vincent Tan. This is an interesting twist because even

following the defeat last night, he was defiant and said he was the

right man to lead Cardiff City. I am employed to do it, I will do it

sticking to my beliefs and philosophy and I think I am. I will

go home tonight and think about this. There is nothing else I can

do. I am paid to do this job. Are their names in the hat yet for a

successor? One fan has told me tonight you can't blame Ole Gunnar

Solskjaer for everything. The players have got to stand up and be

accountable. But many want Tony Pulis, who is available after

leaving Crystal Palace. We are expecting a statement in the

morning. In other Football news, Wales'

women's hopes of qualifying for the They lost 1-0 to Ukraine

in their final qualifier. The home team scored

from a corner in the 61st minute. That's it from me.

Now back to Jamie in Edinburgh. Welcome back to Edinburgh where

the final day of campaigning is The question that will face four

million voters tomorrow is, should Scotland be

an independent country. The debate about the future

of the UK has prompted a wider discussion about

our sense of national identity. Do you feel Welsh, British,

European? And will

the referendum change any of that? Our correspondent Huw Thomas

has been finding out. The last night of the Proms, a

celebration of music and of national identity. Since the 1700s, rule

Britannia has been some as an anthem of British values. But as Scotland

decides whether to keep the union, is any shared sense of Britishness

coming apart at the seams? The last census showed a third of people

identify themselves as British or accommodation of British, Welsh and

other nationalities. But only half said they felt only Welsh. I am

British, parents Spanish, my children have an Italian father and

my partner is Indian. What would you say your nationality is? I have

lived in Swansea for more than six years so I will say Welsh.

Oystermouth Castle in Swansea was built, burned down and build again

during the conflicts that predated the official unions between Wales,

England and Scotland. The debate surrounding the referendum has been

mercifully peaceful but it has fired a discussion about nationality and

our own identity. Elin Williams is a teacher in the Swansea Valley who

has embraced the debate. I think it is really healthy to think about

your identity and yourselves of nationality or patriotism because it

knows -- makes you what you are. It affects how you see yourself because

it challenges people to take a step back and think about it and think

about what makes them proud to be Welsh or British and that can never

be a negative thing. What makes us feel Welsh, British or both has a

lot to do with our history. The two things interlock and work, for a

very long time, a very easy thing to say. I am British and I am Welsh. I

am proud of both. Somewhere along the line, there has been a falling

apart and I think part of the current crisis in Scotland is,

depending on which way they vote, how we address again the issue of

what it means culturally to be part of the British Isles. It is politics

that has prompted the debate about national identity and it can mean

the boundaries between identity and ideology become blurred. Within the

UK, national identity and its relationship with politics is

complicated. Over the last two centuries it has been perfectly

possible to say you are proud of being Welsh or Scottish without

meaning you want to see independence. It is exactly the same

with Britishness. Just because people say they feel they belong to

British does not mean it is a flag-waving patriotism. Defining the

parameters of national identity can be difficult, regardless of the

Scottish referendum result, the Proms will continue even if

Britannia's rule is reduced. The BBC's Felicity Evans

has travelled Britain from Wales through England to

Scotland on a road journey What are your general observations

after this extraordinary journey? What seems to have happened, broadly

speaking, is that for the last 18 months people largely ignored what

was going on in Scotland and now Scotland has virtually their full

potential because people in England and Wales are wondering how it is

going to affect them -- their full attention. In England, the lack of

devolution. The leader of Newcastle City Council said he thinks whatever

is on offer to Scotland should also be on offer to every English city.

Change is also heading towards the home nations. Do you sense that

people there well come those changes? The theme that has struck

me, speaking to so many people during this journey, is the

disillusioned with Westminster politics. The disconnect between the

political class and what is going on in Wales and England. What people

would welcome is some sort of attempt to break through that and

perhaps the referendum will focus the attention of the political class

on doing that. 97% registration in Scotland. Whichever way they vote,

that is fantastic. Thank you very much.

And Felicity is a part of BBC Wales'

Let me just run through with you where you can get the latest news.

Coverage begins when polls close tomorrow evening on BBC One Wales

You can also follow events on BBC Radio Wales and Radio Cymru.

The results as they come in will of course be on our BBC News website

As you can probably see behind me, a pretty cloudy evening in Edinburgh

tonight. Let's see what the weather has in store for Wales.

It has been a dry month in Scotland so far. And in Wales, the driest

start to September in many years. Porthmadog was the warmest place

today. 24 Celsius this afternoon. Well above average for this time of

year. Fine this evening and staying dry overnight. Clearer in the West

and another mild night. Here is the picture for 8am in the morning. Most

of the country dry. The odd spot of drizzle but brighter in the south

and west. Sunshine in Aberystwyth and Carmarthen. During the day, more

of the country will brighten up. Most places dry but I would not rule

out a heavy shower cropping up in the south-east later on. It will

turn out warm again tomorrow. Temperatures rising into the 20s.

Tomorrow evening and overnight, scattered showers working their way

north and east. Some low cloud and missed. A mild and muggy night in

the South. Some sunshine breaking through. Scattered showers as well

and they could be thundery in places. Back to Jamie.

So the final day of campaigning here is drawing to a close.

Tomorrow the campaigns will cease and millions of people

in the quiet of the polling booth will make an historic decision.

That'll change all of our lives wherever we live in Britain

That's Wales Today live from Scotland

Thank you for watching. From all of us on the programme. Good evening.