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Welcome to Wales Today - our top stories...

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Louisa Tanner had a breakdown but ended up in a police cell.

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Tonight, calls to improve care for mental-health patients.

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It is frightening because you can hear other people who have been

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locked up for committing crimes and they are vocal, banging on the

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cells. You are already in a distressed state and it just makes

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you more distressed. They don't shut properly so in the

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window we can't shut them openly. They don't open properly so in the

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summer we can't have any ventilation. It is not pleasant for

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our students. Leaking windows and cold classrooms

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- the teaching union which wants to double the amount

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spent on schools. The council facing an unprecended

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cut of ?21 million. They want to build a windfarm here,

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on common land near Swansea. Now a public inquiry will decide

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if it'll ruin this landscape And, the kids are in the creche

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while Mum's in the gym - more of us are getting

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active, but fewer women Should someone in the middle

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of a mental-health crisis ever end That's the reality

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for too many patients, according to mental-health experts

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who've spoken to Wales Today. They've described support

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here as patchy, and are calling for more appropriate

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places of safety - As part of the BBC's In The Mind

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season, Carys Notley has Rowan has lived with chronic

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depression and anxiety Now at 22 she blogs about her mental

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health and how her conditions mean she sometimes has breakdowns

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which can leave her vulnerable. It's almost like a flick kind

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of switches in your brain and you think, the only thing

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I want to do right now And, you know, take

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it out on yourself. Two years ago Rowan had a severe

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breakdown, harming herself badly, But she says the poor care

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she received in A would deter her I felt like I was being a bit

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of a burden because I had done it to myself, so I was just asking

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somebody else to clean up my mess rather than being a patient

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who deserved care. There was no mental-health nurse,

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nobody came to talk to me, it was just stapled

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up and on your way. A departments are not

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always equipped to deal They often don't have specialists

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working there who can advise and identify onward routes

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of referral for individuals. So people may end up in A

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departments but they may not be best Whilst Rowan said she would have

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benefited from further care, many others experiencing a crisis

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are detained for their own safety Last year 1181 people in Wales

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were admitted to a health-based place of safety but when there

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are no hospital beds available often the only safe place for people

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to go is a police cell, which is where 541 people

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in distress were held. She has borderline personality

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disorder, which affects her moods In 2014, aged 21, she started

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experiencing unbearable suicidal thoughts and ended up spending

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the night in a cell. It is very frightening

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because you can hear other people who have been locked up

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for committing crimes and they are being vocal,

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banging on the cells, and you are already in a distressed

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state and it just makes you feel There are calls for more suitable

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places of safety where people can go to recover, places like this crisis

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house run by the charity Gofal in partnership with Cardiff

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and Vale health board. This crisis house in Cardiff

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is currently the only one in Wales with private bedrooms,

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homely living areas and support It's a place of safety and sanctuary

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where people can come to recover from their crisis whilst

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maintaining their independence. Gofal wants to see the creation

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of more services like this 93% of people who stay here return

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home after a seven-day stay, whereas in a hospital you can expect

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to stay for a minimum of 28 days. So this is an environment that

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for some people supports a much better and quicker

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process of recovery. But some experts say more research

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is still needed on their benefits. The Welsh Government says spending

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on mental-health services in Wales is rising and points to an agreement

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signed in December between police forces, charities, the NHS,

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councils and other agencies. The idea is to bring these bodies

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together to improve crisis care. For Rowan, who could experience

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a crisis at any moment, an alternative couldn't come soon

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enough, as she is unsure Dr Ben Hannigan is an expert

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in mental-health care at Cardiff University,

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and used to work in the community Why does the help on offer for some

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mental health patients appear to be so patchy? I wouldn't underestimate

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the advances that have been -- been made over a period of time but I saw

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your package and I know there are people who experience a poor quality

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of service. I think that we will always need a system in which we

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have mental health hospitals, extremely important. But hospitals

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of course not the most appropriate place for some people, they can be

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far from people's homes, they can be stigmatising for some people, so I

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hear very clearly some people saying that they would much prefer crisis

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houses all community crisis resolution and home treatment teams

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providing a much more community focused service. What is the

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solution? Is it about spending much more money, often the answer given

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by many people, or a different approach, organisations

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communicating better with each other? It is probably all of those

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things. If we look historically at how mental health care has been

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funded and supported it has not received the kind of support that

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services for physical health problems has had, so there is a real

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issue around parity of esteem. I think we need a mixed system of

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services, so we certainly need hospitals. I wouldn't envisage a

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system with momentum health hospitals. But we need alternatives,

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we need alternatives like the Gofal crisis house. We also need community

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crisis resolution and home treatment, there are some real good

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examples of that in Wales and across the UK, so they will provide

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intensive face-to-face care and support to people in their own homes

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who would otherwise be in hospital. Thank you very much.

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Tomorrow night we'll be reporting on the calls to improve specialist

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services for people who are deaf and living

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The Welsh Government needs to double the amount it's spending

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That's according to a teachers' union here, amid claims that many

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school buildings aren't "up to scratch".

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One Newport headteacher has told BBC Wales that some buildings

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The Government has described its record on new school

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This high school in the 1970s. And now. Not a lot has changed. Despite

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being judged good it is feeling its age. With holes in the canteen hall,

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leaking roofs and windows and abandoned classrooms. The

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headteacher, who has improved the GCSE pass rate by 16%, says some

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buildings are deplorable and blames Newport council and the Welsh

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government for not doing enough to improve buildings like his. There is

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a whole generation of school stock with leaking roofs, for windows,

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poor heating, classrooms which are too small or cramped. I think there

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is a whole generation of schools and education out there that are very

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close to that picture. But this evening it has emerged that these

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plans to improve the school could still become a reality. They were

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rejected by councillors over fears the site may flood but tonight

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Newport council says it has resubmitted the proposals to

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refurbish the school. Lauren, an English teacher at the school, hopes

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the plans will become a reality so she won't have to teach in a room

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where students get wet when it rains. We can't shut them properly,

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they don't open properly so in summer we can't have any

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ventilation. It is not pleasant for the students. In 2010 the auditor

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general for Wales said there was a long way to go before all school

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buildings here were fit for purpose. The Welsh government says it is

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investing nearly ?2 billion in schools and colleges through its

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21st century schools programme. It says it is the most ambitious school

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building an improvement programme since the 1960s but the Association

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of teachers and lecturers in Wales disagreed and they want the Welsh

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government to increase the amount they spending. They agree with the

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National Union of Teachers here that many school buildings are not up to

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scratch. Definitely doubled the amount we asked seeing going in. We

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need to get the school stock right and give youngsters the best start

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in life. This evening, a glimmer of hope for pupils here and for those

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hoping to attend Newport's first medium secondary school. But other

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children across Wales may not be so lucky.

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Councillors in Denbighshire have voted to push ahead

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with controversial plans to close Ysgol Llanbedr Primary School

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There were more than 900 objections, but the council says the closure

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in August comes as part of its review into school provision

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Councils across Wales have been discussing their budgets

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and Flintshire Council has agreed to making what it describes

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as "unprecedented" savings of ?21 million.

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It says it is protecting core services but they will be at risk

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Deeside Leisure Centre in Queensferry is a place

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skate and even go curling, and from next month you'll also be

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It's about to become home to a ?130,000 centralised library

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hub as part of Flintshire Council's plan to save ?50,000 a year.

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It will replace three local libraries, including one

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in the village of Mancot, where the community has decided

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I particularly don't like the hub they have in Queensferry but if

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people can get books from there I am reasonably happy about that. I am

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more happy about the way we are going here in man cut. The county

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council are gifting us all the books. -- in Mancot.

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Today Flintshire Council has agreed its budget for the next year

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and approved what it calls unprecedented savings

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The position of Flintshire is something we have articulated to

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government, we will continue to do so and we are an efficient and

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innovative council but the threat of austerity means that those risks

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will be there in years to come but we will continue to fight and defend

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services. In Quinn the council is debating whether to cut funding to

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the Lord George Museum until next year.

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In Gwynedd the authority has been identifying ?5 million

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of potential savings - today it's deferred a decision

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on whether to cut funding to the David Lloyd George Museum

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In the weeks ahead councils across Wales will have to make

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similar tough decisions as they join Gwynedd and Flintshire in trying

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More of us are getting active, except, however, women

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And, it's her song - Welsh singer/songwriter Amy Wadge

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celebrates winning the biggest prize in music.

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A public inquiry to consider whether or not a windfarm can be

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The proposal at Mynydd y Gwair is on common land and the inquiry

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will decide if land can be exchanged for the building of 16 turbines.

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The developer, RWE, says the project will benefit the environment

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and the local economy, but objectors say it

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Mynydd y Gwair and the rolling hills that look down over Swansea Bay.

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But there could be some significant changes to this landscape

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if the Welsh Government gives the go-ahead

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Swansea Council has already granted permission for the project but today

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a third public enquiry got under way to decide if suitable land can

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be found in exchange for the common land used by farmers,

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The last offer made was said to be unsuitable and the development

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was blocked so a third enquiry has frustrated objecters.

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We have been fighting this battle since

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They just don't know the meaning of the word no.

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It's common land, it's not just any old land,

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it's common land that we all have the use of.

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These hills are often covered with grazing sheep

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Farmers say if the development goes ahead it will interfere

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with a tradition going back hundreds of years.

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The farming community on Mynydd y Gwair,

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it's estimated that it is worth ?5 million to the local economy

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every year, through sales of beef, sheep,

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We use it to graze animals so that we can produce food to sell

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You know, that is there, and for every one farmer who grazes

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on Mynydd y Gwair he supports ten other people.

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RWE says it has listened to concerns and alterations

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This time the company is offering four sections of replacement land

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as an alternative to the areas that will be taken up

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It also says the overall space for grazing and

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public access will increase once the building work is complete.

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We will not need to stop access to the

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common during the construction or operation period.

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We have put in place measures, particularly crossing points for

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members of the public so they can use the land as they normally would.

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The public enquiry is due to last for three days. The planning

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inspector will then report to the Welsh government before the minister

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makes a final decision. Health, education, and the economy -

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the things Plaid Cymru wants to talk about before May's

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assembly election. But Leanne Wood, the party's leader,

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says they have to keep working to tackle misconceptions

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about her party. For the latest in our series

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of interviews with party leaders, Daniel Davies went back

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to the classroom with Leanne Wood. You came when you were 11?

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Back to school, even visit to this community college. When Leanne Wood

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was in their schools she wanted to be television newsreader. Now she

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aspires to be First Minister. The only way now we can make sure that

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our country moves forward is to shake up the political system. That

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is that lesson getting through to voters? The opinion polls are not

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what I would like them to be at the moment, I would like to see

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improvement, but I think that can be achieved by communicating with

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people on the ground. What would First Minister Leanne Wood do? In

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education Plaid Cymru with write-offs six hundred thousand

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pounds Best ?6,000 a year for students. -- right half ?6,000 a

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year. But does Leanne Wood have a message for people who pigeonhole

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Plaid Cymru as the party of the Welsh language? Across the country

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it is clear that it is health, education and the economy that are

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top priorities, so they are our top priorities as well. But do people

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realise that or do you still come up against people who say, well, Plaid

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Cymru doesn't represent this part of Wales, it is the party of Welsh

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speakers? There are still misconceptions about Plaid Cymru...

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How much of the problem is that? I still spend a lot of time, I was in

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a meeting in Mountain Ash last night talking about exactly these things,

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and it is up to our party to make sure that we scotched those

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misconceptions. Leanne Wood, the secondary school tubal. Her hair has

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changed since the mid-19 80s but she says many of her political

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convictions have not. A stones throw from the school, the area she still

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lives and the community where she hopes to unseat the local Labour

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member in May. Plaid Cymru launches its election campaign tomorrow.

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The number of adults taking part in sport three times a week or more

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has increased, according to Sport Wales.

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However, the research also says that a million adults

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Women, disabled people and those from deprived areas are also less

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Dragging yourself to the gym, to a swimming pool or throwing on a pair

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of trainers, it comes easier to some than others. People in Wales Young

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and old are realising the importance of being active. As you get older

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you need the exercise to keep your heart healthy. It makes you feel

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good. I wanted to lose weight and I lost four stones in two years. 41%

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of adults according to a new Sport Wales survey take part in some kind

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of sporting activity at least three times a week. It is a slight 2%

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increase on the 2013 figures but participation in other parts of the

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UK has declined. We are delighted, we are proud in Wales to see that we

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saw a significant increase since the Olympics and Paralympics. That bucks

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the trend in the UK and the drops in England. It is not just about elite

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sport but activity for everybody. The survey found gaps in

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participation, progs between men and women. Childcare and day-to-day

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schedules can be valid reasons for not being active but it isn't a

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problem at this child friendly gym in Cardiff. We know -- sickness is

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important to me, not just physically but to keep my mind access --

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active. Without this I wouldn't be going to the gym and I wouldn't be

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as healthy. Sport Wales are also aware that more work needs to be

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done to get people with disabilities involved in sport. Just 29% are

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active at least three times a week. Access to classes and gym sessions

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is still an issue according to this charity in Blackwood. There is

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nowhere near enough activities. Leisure centres and community

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centres are trying to put on more activities for people with

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disabilities, physical, learning and mental health problems, but there

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are not as many activities that people who do have health

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conditions. As many as 67% of people who are not already hooked on sports

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would like to be more active. There is work to be done but it seems to

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be a step in the right direction. Snooker, and the controversy over

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that maximum break that wasn't seemed to have little effect

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on Ronnie O'Sullivan He took less than 40 minutes to beat

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China's Tian Pengfei 4-0 and move Also through are Wales'

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Michael White and Matthew Stevens. Welsh singer/songwriter Amy Wadge

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is celebrating after winning She picked up a Grammy award

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in Los Angeles last night for co-writing Ed Sheeran's hit

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single Thinking Out Loud. Our arts and media correspondent,

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Huw Thomas, reports. # Till we're 70...

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# It's the record that's been sold

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and streamed millions of times around the world, and has reached

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number one in at least And while it's Ed Sheeran who stars,

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Amy Wadge from Church Village near Pontypridd helped

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compose the lyrics. Together they collected the Grammy

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award for Song of the Year, with Amy Wadge alongside

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Sheeran on stage. They've since been

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swamped with praise, and after the ceremony Amy Wadge

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tweeted that she was so, # Darling, my heart could still

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fall as hard at 23... writing songs together for years,

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and before heading to the Grammys she explained how their success

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had changed her life. To be egotistical, the general

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respect thing has changed. You go to award ceremonies

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and when people used to go "Oh, no, it's Amy Wadge",

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they don't do that any more! And it's quite nice,

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and I take it with a pinch But, yeah, life has changed a lot

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in terms of the job I do but in lots of other ways it hasn't

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changed that much because luckily There were big celebrations in LA

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after last night's ceremony, We remained in text contact right up

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to the point where the ceremony started, and we spoke to her

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imediately after and she was very hyper, very emotional,

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and just deliriously happy. Amy Wadge's success

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is no surprise to those She was a popular artist

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in her own right. Started co-writing with quite young

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artists, so when she and Ed Sheeran first started writing together

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she was very much mentoring a really young writer, and I think

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their friendship blossomed Amy Wadge's song has already had

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record-breaking success - now her award-winning partnership

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with Ed Sheeran has earned them the world's most

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prestigious music prize. You may remember towards the end

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of last year comedian Rhod Gilbert joined Wales Today as

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the team's newest reporter. Nobody expects this. If I can ask

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you to just come forward a bit and I will press record. We are recording.

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If you can direct your answers to me. Are you a motorist? Know. So

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that is no good, is it? You should have asked that first. Cut!

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You can see that tonight at 10:30pm. Today, though, started

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cold and frosty. This picture taken by our

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Weather Watcher, Gerald Actually last night was one

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of the coldest nights of the winter. In parts of Powys the temperature

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dropped as low as -6. dry for a while but rain on Anglesey

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will become more widespread Gusts 50, 60 mph in the northwest

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with temperatures above freezing. Here's the picture for

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eight in the morning. No frost and no sunshine but dull,

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cold and wet. Some heavy rain and poor travelling

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conditions. The hills and mountains too,

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but in the west it should dry up Highs between four

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and eight Celsius. In the Heads of

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the Valleys tomorrow. In the Vale of Clwyd, cloudy

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tomorrow with rain. Tomorrow evening, rain,

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sleet and snow, mainly in the east, Most places dry overnight

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with frost and icy patches. Thursday will start frosty and icy -

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otherwise a better day. Some sunshine and drier,

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just one or two showers. fronts will move in from

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the Atlantic bringing Saturday windy and mild

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with rain and drizzle. However it should turn colder

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and brighter on Sunday So not a great day tomorrow but much

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brighter on Thursday. Mental health experts are calling

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for more crisis homes for people facing a mental health crisis. They

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have described the support here as Apache. -- patchy.

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I'll have an update for you here at eight o'clock and again

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