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bishops find themselves between a rock and the hard place on this. | :00:00. | :00:12. | |
There were hopes it would bring up to 6,000 jobs. | :00:13. | :00:18. | |
But tonight a big question mark over the future of the Circuit of Wales. | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
We'll be assessing what hope remains for the plans. | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
the man looking to buy Tata's steel business here admits | :00:25. | :00:29. | |
there's still a lot of work to be done | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
An apology to same sex couples for prejudice | :00:35. | :00:41. | |
from the Archbishop of Wales - as for now - | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
Plaid Cymru's leader tells us - they'd reinvest NHS savings | :00:44. | :00:51. | |
into front line services - if they win power in May's election. | :00:52. | :00:59. | |
We're meeting the Lewis family as part of My Manifesto 2016 - | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
who tell us they waited 20 hours for a special ambulance for Mared. | :01:04. | :01:08. | |
That single ambulance has got to cover from Truro up to Gloucester | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
from Swindon, all the way over to Aberystwyth. | :01:14. | :01:21. | |
It's a project which has promised thousands of jobs | :01:22. | :01:29. | |
But tonight, there are big question marks over the future of the Circuit | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
It follows a decision by the Welsh Government | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
that they cannot underwrite investment worth more | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
than 350 million pounds by the Insurance firm Aviva. | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
Independent advice has questioned the viability of the project, | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
and what's described as an unacceptable | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
With the latest - here's Iwan Griffiths. | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
It was seen as an ambitious project with the potential to change the | :01:57. | :02:03. | |
whole of the heads of the valleys area. The aim was to bring thousands | :02:04. | :02:09. | |
of customers to Ebbw Vale drawn to South Wales to enjoy events like the | :02:10. | :02:17. | |
Moto GP. 6000 jobs were promised. The people behind the project have | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
always insisted that the money is there. You have got 300 million | :02:22. | :02:29. | |
pledged? We have it pledged but we have two get it. Some of it includes | :02:30. | :02:37. | |
money from the Welsh government. The sticking point is the Welsh | :02:38. | :02:41. | |
government providing a guaranteed to the privately funded project. | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
Assurance firm Aviva had been expected to back the project, | :02:48. | :02:57. | |
financial advice has been taken but Edwina Hart reluctantly came to the | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
conclusion not to proceed with the guarantee. You have to look at the | :03:01. | :03:05. | |
risks we are being asked to entertain. At one time, when we | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
started to talk about the project, we knew there would be private | :03:10. | :03:16. | |
sector investment. It went from 35mm to 350 million as a guarantee. 100% | :03:17. | :03:24. | |
guarantee. We have spoken about a lesser guarantee, 80% but Aviva who | :03:25. | :03:29. | |
are the other partners weren't even prepared to guarantee 20%. The town | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
has had many millions spent we it after the steelworks closed in 2002. | :03:35. | :03:42. | |
Unemployment has remained high, the circuit of Wales project was seen as | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
a way of bringing jobs and further investment to the area. Tonight, the | :03:47. | :03:53. | |
vision of seeing these scenes in south Wales will depend on finding a | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
private sector backer who is willing to take more of a risk. | :03:58. | :03:59. | |
Our political correspondent Daniel Davies is here. | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
We've just had a statement from the heads of the valleys development | :04:05. | :04:11. | |
company who are behind the scheme. They say that they respect and | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
understand Edwina Hart's decision. It was their preference that the | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
government would provide 100% guarantee for this project. They | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
have been talking for six months but it has not worked. They say they | :04:26. | :04:30. | |
will continue negotiations with the Welsh government, local councils and | :04:31. | :04:34. | |
private investors like Aviva to find a way forward that everyone is happy | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
with. They are at least hopeful that the project isn't dead in the water | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
and we'll keep working at it. In a sense, they have two. The government | :04:45. | :04:56. | |
has already spent ?9 million in one way or another backing this race | :04:57. | :05:06. | |
track. What reaction has there been? A lot of political anger. Not | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
surprisingly. Today was the first day that the assembly was broken up | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
officially for the election. The Tories are angry because there is no | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
chance for the Minister to be grilled about this decision. Plaid | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
Cymru as saying this is more bad news for the economy in the | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
aftermath of coming to terms with the decision after the steel -- | :05:31. | :05:44. | |
Tartar steel. To close the steelworks at Port Talbot. | :05:45. | :05:52. | |
Liberty steel says it has had positive talks about plans to take | :05:53. | :06:05. | |
over Tata's operations. The steel industry, including Liberty, has | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
been calling for the UK Government to take action to reduce energy | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
costs for years. It has been a frustration that ministers haven't | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
been able to go further. The question is whether this current | :06:21. | :06:24. | |
crisis means that the UK Government has been pulled far closer to where | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
the steel industry where it wants to be, reducing costs. Liberty wants to | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
develop an energy park here, including a biomass facility and | :06:36. | :06:43. | |
tidal lagoons. Making energy cheaper for is the key to reducing costs for | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
the steel industry. These technologies will transform the way | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
energy is made globally. They should be given every attention. Even more | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
so that we want to propose to turn the UK steel industry into a | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
recycling industry requiring a lot of energy. Even more reason why we | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
need long-term sustainable solutions like this. There are sticking point | :07:07. | :07:13. | |
to any deal. Not least, pension liabilities. The company scheme | :07:14. | :07:24. | |
covers 135 found in the UK. It has a deficit of almost ?500 million. | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
Although it is falling at the moment, it could increase to | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
billions in future. It has been identified as a clear issue. | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
Everybody is aware that it has to be addressed so I believe there will be | :07:37. | :07:41. | |
resolution. European state aid rules may stop the UK Government helping | :07:42. | :07:49. | |
directly. One solution is the government buying the sites from | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
Tata and immediately selling them back. As was done in Scotland. | :07:53. | :08:08. | |
Sanjiv Gupta says it is early days. He is not ruling out continuing to | :08:09. | :08:16. | |
make steel from scratch at Port Talbot while introducing recycling. | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
To build an arc furnace would take at least two years. The process | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
would probably be that we go to one blast and see how we are operating | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
and compared the economics. If it can't make heavy steel production | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
work at Port Talbot, Liberty is still interested in other | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
steelworks. Sajid Javid have -- has been meeting Tata bosses in Mumbai. | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
A man has been charged with causing death by dangerous driving | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
after a father and son died last December. | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
Stuart Bates and his seven-year-old son Fraser | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
were killed as they crossed this carriageway near Talbot Green | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
22-year-old Joshua Staples from Tonyrefail has | :09:03. | :09:05. | |
A new law has come into force which makes it | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
From today all dogs over eight weeks old will need to be micro-chipped, | :09:09. | :09:15. | |
with their owners' details registered on an approved database. | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
The RSPCA hopes it will promote responsible dog ownership. | :09:19. | :09:25. | |
Welsh Anglican Bishops have ruled out an attempt to change the law | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
to allow same-sex couples to marry in church. | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
The Archbishop of Wales has said there's concern the issue | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
Welsh Bishops have though unreservedly apologised to gay | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
and lesbian church goers for the way they've been treated. | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
It's an issue on which church and state are out of step. | :09:42. | :09:49. | |
Same-sex marriage divides Christians and the | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
Today's governing body was meeting in Llandudno and an informal poll | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
A small majority supported change but | :09:59. | :10:06. | |
A bill to allow same-sex marriage in church would fail. | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
It was a risk that the Church would be | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
There is no point in doing something for it to fail, | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
you need a body of people behind you and we need | :10:19. | :10:27. | |
them to do it happily and graciously. | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
And joyously, rather than half-heartedly. | :10:30. | :10:30. | |
What the bishops have given is an unreserved | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
apology to gay and lesbian Christians for the way they've been | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
There are prayers for clergy to say with same-sex | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
couples following a civil ceremony but not a full church blessing, a | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
step dismissed as too small by some and too far by others. | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
I think it has affected the first breach | :10:51. | :10:52. | |
Quite sensibly, from their point of view, in that | :10:53. | :11:02. | |
they can say they have not changed anything but, in fact, | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
from my point of view, they have changed | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
something, they have said implicitly that same-sex marriage is something | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
which can be celebrated, albeit privately. | :11:12. | :11:13. | |
Do you have same-sex couples coming to you saying, | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
please, I wish I could be married in church? | :11:21. | :11:22. | |
Yes, I do and that is very frustrating because we build up a | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
relationship with the people in our congregations and the wider | :11:27. | :11:29. | |
community and it would be lovely to be able to offer a bit more than | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
what we've got at the moment for those couples. | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
Welsh Anglican bishops find themselves between a | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
They know that as it stands they simply can't deliver change, even if | :11:40. | :11:51. | |
they wanted to. They also know it is an issue that won't go away. There | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
is a wider context, relations with the traditionally more conservative | :11:59. | :12:04. | |
Anglican churches around the world, there is absolute resistance to | :12:05. | :12:05. | |
change. There's a question mark tonight over | :12:06. | :12:08. | |
the future of a project to build a race track in Ebbw Vale, | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
which promised thousand of jobs. And coming up | :12:14. | :12:16. | |
I'll have a full weather forecast. Just when you thought spring | :12:17. | :12:18. | |
had arrived it feels more like The leader of Plaid Cymru Leanne | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
Wood says she'd be prepared to accept efficiency savings | :12:22. | :12:35. | |
of ten per cent in the NHS She says the money | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
would be redirected into Plaid, who are the third largest | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
party at the assembly, are looking to make gains | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
after a number of disappointing In the latest of our interviews | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
with the party leaders, our political editor | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
Nick Servini caught up Of all the party leaders I'm | :12:54. | :12:54. | |
interviewing this week, you're the only one who's just | :12:55. | :13:06. | |
released their manifesto. The reason I ask is because | :13:07. | :13:07. | |
what is striking is there are some pretty aggressive savings | :13:08. | :13:17. | |
in the public sector, the cost of It's a document I'm very proud | :13:18. | :13:20. | |
of because it's more That means that Plaid Cymru | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
is serious about offering ourselves as an alternative | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
government to the existing Labour One example is, in the | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
event of a Plaid Cymru government in Cardiff, | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
a business expert would be called in and within 100 days, | :13:43. | :13:45. | |
come together with a series of proposals for | :13:46. | :13:49. | |
?200 million worth of savings. You would commit to | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
introducing half of those. I can't accept that | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
the way that government is run at the moment is being run | :13:56. | :14:03. | |
at its most efficient. Too many managers in the health | :14:04. | :14:11. | |
service, the way surgical lists are | :14:12. | :14:13. | |
organised, for example. If you look at the operation | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
like a business and what you would find is any new company | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
taking over with a new management, they would immediately | :14:21. | :14:23. | |
identify new practices, new ways of operating to make | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
the operation more This doesn't sound | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
like the Leanne Wood... We are not saying we would | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
fully implement all the recommendations that those | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
business leaders would identify. Political decisions | :14:40. | :14:41. | |
would take place and we would ensure within that that | :14:42. | :14:48. | |
when savings are made that they weren't going to impact | :14:49. | :14:50. | |
on the people who are worst off in our society but | :14:51. | :14:53. | |
they will tighten up the operation, they will make efficiency savings | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
and things more lean. What we want to do | :14:57. | :14:58. | |
is create jobs and make sure that we safeguard jobs | :14:59. | :15:07. | |
that are already in Wales. It doesn't sound like it when | :15:08. | :15:18. | |
there are hundreds of millions Look, those policies | :15:19. | :15:21. | |
are going to cost. They are not going to | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
apologise for that. Are you arguing that what we have | :15:25. | :15:26. | |
at the moment is working so well that we | :15:27. | :15:28. | |
don't need to change anything? If you look at the NHS, | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
look at ?300 million identification of saving by the end | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
of the next assembly term, about 4%. There are already 3% | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
efficiency savings Look, one of the things we want | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
to do, one of our key policies is bringing together the health | :15:43. | :15:55. | |
and social care functions. If we do that, we can avoid people | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
staying in There's 3% now, there | :15:58. | :15:59. | |
is 4% identified in the manifesto, so does that mean | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
it's 7% for the NHS? We will see what these | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
business leaders say when they identify it | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
and we will take decisions What we've said, | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
there are savings in the NHS that aren't identified so it | :16:16. | :16:23. | |
will be ploughed back into the NHS. So don't portray this | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
as a cut to the NHS, I want to establish, | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
last question on this, is it 7% efficiency saving or a 4% | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
efficiency saving? Nick, I want to save as much | :16:36. | :16:42. | |
on inefficiencies as we If business people in that | :16:43. | :16:45. | |
commission identify 10% efficiencies to plough back | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
into front line services for staff, But let's see what they come up | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
with first, shall we? We had an interview just a year ago | :16:53. | :17:02. | |
ahead of the general election and then you were saying | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
you were all guns blazing. Not only for the general | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
election but for the I think there's always been | :17:09. | :17:10. | |
an understanding that the assembly election is | :17:11. | :17:13. | |
the big one for Plaid Cymru. Presumably, we judge you on this | :17:14. | :17:15. | |
performance, this result? Nick, I've been all guns blazing | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
since I was elected leader I've gone around the country | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
doing public meeting after public meeting, | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
touring marketplaces... As I said, 700,000 people have | :17:26. | :17:26. | |
been spoken to in the production of our | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
manifesto, so we've production of our manifesto, | :17:32. | :17:42. | |
so we've engaged the biggest engagement exercise that we've ever | :17:43. | :17:47. | |
known as a party. But there's been no increase | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
in people voting for you, Net weight for the election | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
result, shall we? Not a single person has | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
cast their vote yet. We've got four weeks | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
to go of the campaign. We've had 17 years of | :18:00. | :18:01. | |
the Labour government and | :18:02. | :18:02. | |
all outcomes in terms of health, education, | :18:03. | :18:04. | |
and the economy are poor | :18:05. | :18:05. | |
to say the least. We need a new government | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
now and Plaid Cymru is the | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
change Wales need is. Leanne Wood, thank you very much | :18:10. | :18:11. | |
indeed. Leanne Wood there talking | :18:12. | :18:12. | |
to Nick Servini - you can watch that interview again on our website | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
- with a few added extras. Tomorrow night, we'll be hearing | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
from Labour's leader Concerns have been raised | :18:19. | :18:20. | |
about the special transport service, which takes seriously ill children | :18:21. | :18:23. | |
from one hospital to another. Darren Lewis from Pontypridd | :18:24. | :18:25. | |
says his four-year-old daughter has had to wait up to 20 | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
hours to be picked up, since special ambulances were moved | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
from their Cardiff base He told me his story as part | :18:31. | :18:32. | |
of My Manifesto 2016 - our project to find out | :18:33. | :18:39. | |
what you want from the government after next month's | :18:40. | :18:42. | |
Assembly Election. On the streets of Pontypridd last | :18:43. | :18:43. | |
week Darren Lewis told us this. If I was First Minister, | :18:44. | :18:53. | |
I would ensure that all My daughter is disabled, | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
she's got a syndrome, Since her birth we've | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
become full-time carers. Sometimes, when she has seizures, | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
she needs to be transferred from one | :19:09. | :19:10. | |
hospital to another. Those ambulances used to | :19:11. | :19:13. | |
come from Cardiff Now they come from | :19:14. | :19:19. | |
a private provider in Bristol. Darren says, in his experience, | :19:20. | :19:26. | |
it's meant waiting up to 20 hours That ambulance has got to cover | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
from Swindon all the way over They've got a three hour | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
target and a four-hour The part of the Welsh NHS | :19:34. | :19:41. | |
which commissions the service says it is a collaboration | :19:42. | :19:46. | |
between hospitals in They wouldn't comment on individual | :19:47. | :19:47. | |
cases but pointed out it provides two ambulances staffed 24 hours | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
a day for South and mid Wales. We would like her to have the same | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
opportunities as everybody else But also as carers we need support | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
and I'd like to see the First Minister put in place support | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
for carers, as well as the people She is full of laughter | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
and giggles all the time but, sometimes, we haven't been out | :20:09. | :20:15. | |
as a couple for four years. It would be nice to do | :20:16. | :20:22. | |
things that a normal couple would do, | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
normal families would do. Darren says his experience | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
is something he wants more politicians to pay attention | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
to in the lead up to the election. No one chooses to find | :20:33. | :20:35. | |
themselves in a carer's role, In future, when she becomes | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
an adult, how difficult is it going to be to access | :20:39. | :20:45. | |
the services that come There were concerns about making | :20:46. | :20:47. | |
changes to this service last year? There was. People who work within | :20:48. | :21:03. | |
the Welsh Ambulance Service told BBC Wales that they were concerned that | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
changing this service and ambulances coming from Bristol instead of | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
Cardiff, before the changes were made last year. We went to the board | :21:11. | :21:16. | |
within the Welsh NHS that commissioned these services and put | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
concerns to them but they said it would result in a more robust | :21:21. | :21:25. | |
service for patients. Then we went to the community health councils who | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
speak up for patients on matters like this and they said that they | :21:30. | :21:33. | |
hadn't been consulted before the change were made which was | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
surprising. They said they would track the performance of this new | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
system. Ambulances coming from Bristol rather than Cardiff. They've | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
not had that information through from the service yet so, in essence, | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
we don't know whether it is better or worse than the system it | :21:50. | :21:55. | |
replaced. One bad experience we had there but nothing conclusive to tell | :21:56. | :21:58. | |
is whether it is better or worse than the system it replaced. | :21:59. | :22:01. | |
Well - if YOU want to be part of My Manifesto 2016 - | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
tell us what you'd do if you were First Minister. | :22:07. | :22:22. | |
We'll be passing on YOUR ideas to whoever's in charge of the Welsh | :22:23. | :22:25. | |
Newport Gwent Dragons Chief Executive Stuart Davies | :22:26. | :22:30. | |
says the announcement of sale plans is "the start of the process" | :22:31. | :22:33. | |
The region is seeking new investment to take over | :22:34. | :22:44. | |
shares currently held 50-50 by the WRU and Newport Rugby Club. | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
They don't have any parties lined up, but Davies has described it | :22:47. | :22:49. | |
Four grey seals have been returned to the wild after | :22:50. | :22:56. | |
being nursed back to health at the Welsh Mountain Zoo in Colwyn Bay. | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
The two males and two females were recovered from the North Wales | :23:00. | :23:02. | |
coast over the past five months with various health problems. | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
Although some were reluctant to leave dry land at | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
Maybe it was a bit chilly for a dip. How is the forecast looking? Chilly. | :23:09. | :23:21. | |
Tonight will continue windy with further showers. | :23:22. | :23:33. | |
Temperatures staying above freezing with gale force | :23:34. | :23:50. | |
Here's the picture for 8.00 in the morning. | :23:51. | :23:55. | |
Strong to gale force winds in the northwest. | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
Snow on some hills and mountains. Southern counties a bit better. | :24:00. | :24:02. | |
Drier and brighter at least for a while. | :24:03. | :24:04. | |
During the morning the rain will spread south. | :24:05. | :24:06. | |
Still a few showers in the afternoon but some drier, brighter | :24:07. | :24:12. | |
Top temperatures only 8 to 11 Celsius. | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
Feeling chilly in the wind which will slowly ease | :24:16. | :24:17. | |
Drier in the afternoon and feeling cold and breezy. | :24:18. | :24:27. | |
some rain and showers mainly in the morning. | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
Tomorrow night still a few showers but generally drier. | :24:31. | :24:37. | |
And a chilly night with temperatures | :24:38. | :24:39. | |
The chart for Friday shows a small ridge of high pressure over the UK | :24:40. | :24:46. | |
but this frontal system over Ireland is heading our way. | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
Some sunshine and light winds but it won't last. | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
Rain will spread from the west during the afternoon and evening. | :24:56. | :24:57. | |
There are big question marks over the future of the | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
Circuit of Wales race-track planned for Ebbw Vale. | :25:04. | :25:06. | |
It follows a decision by the Welsh Government | :25:07. | :25:11. | |
that they cannot underwrite investment by the insurance firm | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
Aviva worth more than 350 million pounds. | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
We'll have a quick update at eight, more after the BBC News at Ten, | :25:17. | :25:19. | |
but that is Wales Today, from all of us on the programme, | :25:20. | :25:23. |