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Thousands of steel workers wait to learn which bidders

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are in the frame to buy Tata's UK steel operations, as the deadline

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The lorry driver who collided with a crane on the M4,

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killing the other driver, escapes jail, after a plea

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He is going to have enough suffering, knowing full well,

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through his careless actions, he has called my father's death.

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After a meeting in Monde later this week, a short list of two or three

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bidders is expected. The companies involved have signed agreements not

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to disclose information. Two went public with their plans before that.

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Excalibur led by Stuart Wilkie is the management buyout team which

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would implement the turnaround plan to make Port Talbot profitable. That

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plan was rejected by That plan was rejected

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by to the drawing UK spy masters at GCHQ say they hope

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to find the next generation And, football manager Chris Coleman

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is rewarded for guiding Wales to Euro 2016 with an extension

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to his contract. The deadline for bidders for Tata's

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UK steel plants is closing today, with several companies having

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expressed an interest. The Indian business,

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which employs 7,000 people in Wales, has put its sites up for sale,

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including Port Talbot, Newport, Here's our business

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correspondent, Brian Meechan. Tata has made it clear no buyer has

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been allowed to reach this stage, unless it has been willing to take

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on Port Talbot which is making They're are eight potential bidders

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identified as interested parties. They include the newly formed

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Excalibur management buyout team headed by the senior Tata

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director Stuart Wilkie. Liberty Steel and Greybull Capital

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have both already bought smaller Wilbur Ross has also emerged

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as a potential buyer. Steel experts warn whoever takes

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over has a tough job. we don't want any more suffering

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through in the industry. Some commentators have captivated it

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could be up to 50% over at the moment, we have significant

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overcapacity in the industry. Some commentators have captivated it

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could be up to 50% of three bidders is expected.

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The companies have all signed agreements not to disclose

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information but two went public before that.

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Excalibur led by Stuart Wilkie is the management buyout team which

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would implement the turnaround plan to make Port Talbot profitable.

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That plan rejected by Tata. Liberty is another bidder, its boss plans to

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change production at Port Talbot from making steel from scratch, to

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recycling it. It aims to do both to make an

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industry internationally competitive in those circumstances is a

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challenge. After a meeting later this week, a

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short list of three bidders is expected. The companies have all

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signed agreements not to disclose information but two went public

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before that. Excalibur led by Stuart Wilkie is the management buyout team

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which would implement the turnaround plan to make Port Talbot profitable.

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That plan rejected by Tata. Liberty is another bidder, its boss plans to

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change production at Port Talbot from making steel from scratch, to

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recycling it. It aims to do both in the short term. Both have strengths

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and weaknesses. They could work more closely together in it is very good

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that we in their own way and it is a testament to the beards, they look

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very interesting all in their own way and it is a testament to of the

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workforce. Called on the idea of taking over

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the UK operation. The UK Government which is willing to take a 25% stake

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in the company with any new buyer says some are being put off by the

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pension deficit are reported to have called on the idea of taking over

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the UK operation. The UK Government which is willing

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to take a 25% stake in the company with any new buyer says some are

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being put off by the pension the Tata scheme has a huge shortfall

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which could go as high as ?4 billion.

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Ministers are in negotiations with the business to overcome the these

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days, it is common with deals going through, has a could scupper the

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deal. The deficit which could scupper the deal. The the is looking

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at it as a problem of the previous employer Tata is aiming for the sale

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to go ahead by the end of June, an ambitious timeline for this size of

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deal. Hopefully it provides more certainty

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for workers and the local community if they see the process

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moving forward Tata is aiming for the sale to go ahead by the end of

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June, an ambitious timeline for this size of deal.

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Hopefully it provides more certainty for workers and the local community

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if they see the process moving is the Business Secretary is heading

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out to Monday for discussions with Tata -- Is heading out to Monday for

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discussions with taking on those pension liabilities. There must be

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some way to deal with that. It could mean Tata putting more money in the

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pension scheme, or the workers and former workers at accepting the

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scheme will not reward them as much as they once thought. It could be

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about taxpayers playing a role, no company taking over this place will

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want to do it taking on those pension liabilities. There must be

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some way to deal with that. It could mean Tata putting more money in the

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pension scheme, or the workers and former workers accepting the scheme

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will not reward them as much as they once thought. It could be about

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taxpayers playing a a part in underwriting the scheme, or it's

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going into the pension protection can be maybe a combination.

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Something that will have to be sorted out before any deal can, and

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the concern is not sorting that out could scupper any and we think up to

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three companies will emerge as potential bidders and buyers for

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A lorry driver who collided with a crane on the M4,

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killing the other driver, has escaped jail, after a plea

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Tanker driver Carl Askew admitted causing the death

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However, Mr Coleman's widow asked that he be spared prison,

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because he did not intend to kill the grandfather-to-be.

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Rush-hour on the M4 in Cardiff on November 2nd last year.

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This traffic chaos following this collision on the

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A tanker collided with a mobile crane, sending the crane hurtling

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The crane driver, 50-year-old Michael Coleman, from

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The man responsible for his death, 46-year-old tanker driver

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Carl Askew, pleaded guilty to causing death

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However, Mr Askew walked free from Cardiff Crown Court,

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spared a possible jail term, after his victim's family asked

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In her victim impact statement, Michael Coman's partner

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Wendy Ann Randall said she did not bear malice to the driver.

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A sentence echoed by Mr Coleman's son.

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He is going to lose everything anyway.

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The idea is, to come from this, he is going to have enough

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suffering knowing full well, through his careless actions,

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We don't want any more suffering to come from that.

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My dad wouldn't want that, he would want him

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beyond the situation, to learn from the situation,

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move on and try to be happy, as we are trying to be

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It wouldn't make sense for us to want more to come from this.

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The judge, David Wynne Morgan, said Mr Coleman's family's wishes

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that Carl Askew should not face an immediate custodial sentence,

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was a remarkable act of generosity in circumstances,

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and it would be a hard-hearted court that failed to take

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The judge asked the court to take a moment for those who

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knew Michael Coleman, to reflect upon their loss.

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Mr Askew received a suspended sentence for causing death

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by careless driving, and was banned driving

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Nick Pallit BBC Wales Today, Cardiff Crown Court.

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What would the Welsh economy look like if Britain votes

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to leave the European Union in next month's referendum?

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According to the Chancellor, George Osborne, the value

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of your home could go down, and unemployment here could rise

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But his claims have been dismissed as scaremongering

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Our parliamentary correspondent, David Cornock, is in Westminster.

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David, how did the Chancellor do his sums?

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we expect there to be a board meeting in Monday on Wednesday and

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we think up to three companies will emerge as potential bidders and

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buyers for Tata what the Treasury has done here is to look at the

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possible impact of any vote to leave in next month's referendum.

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It argues such a vote would volatility in the economy that it

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would mean volatility in the economy that it would shrink, billions of

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pounds would be taken out of the Welsh economy. The value of your

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home could go down by ?20,000. And jobs would be lost right across the

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went into recession. The economy would shrink, billions of pounds

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Within two years, at least half-a-million jobs will be lost.

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Over 40,000 in Scotland, over 20,000 in Wales.

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Almost 15,000 jobs in Northern Ireland.

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In London, over 70,000 jobs will be lost.

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Here, across the south, almost 120,000 jobs will go.

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But the vote Leave campaign disputes those figures and the maths?

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Indeed. They are very sceptical. They point out that the Treasury

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doesn't always have the best record when it comes to economic but the

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boat Leave campaign disputes those figures and the maths? Indeed. They

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are very sceptical. They point out that the Treasury doesn't always

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have the best record when it comes to economic it is not a science.

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It is something of an art. But they are incensed at the way these have

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been presented today. The Vote Leave campaigners have accused George

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Osborne of the regional breakdown up, on the basis of is, frankly,

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made up, on the basis of an incredible we would be able to trade

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freely with the whole world we would be able to trade freely with the

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whole a week is also strongly it is fair to say that figure of ?350

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million a week is also strongly the remaining campaign says the net

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figure is less than half the referendum day.

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It is worth remembering it is exactly one month today that we go

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to the polls. The referendum will be held on June 20 that is an issue

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that will be debated between now and A research project looking

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at the impact of so-called legal highs has been launched by a drug

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support service in Denbighshire. A new law, banning

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the supply of drugs, The study, believed to be the first

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of its kind in Wales, will be run by the charity CAIS,

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with the aim of improving the help on offer for those

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who use the substances. Unions representing council workers

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say their members cannot continue It comes after the First Minister

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said he would have to rethink plans They have written to

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the Welsh Government, calling for urgent talks

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with the new Finance Here's our political editor,

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Nick Servini. So, it is back to the drawing board

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for cancel the organisation. -- So, it is back to the drawing

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board for council reorganisation. The previous Labour Government

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imposed a new local authority map While councils have been given

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the opportunity to come We studied the manifestos for the

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parties across we studied the manifestos for the short life, and

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consensus seems in a short Government, some councillors

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favoured the concept of a radical restructuring, others do there are

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very different views in local Government, some councillors

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favoured the concept of a radical restructuring, others do a vision

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for local Government. A vision now is the time to sit

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back, redefine the terms of the debate, look how we move forward,

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with a vision for local Government. A vision for public in the middle

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are the 130,000 council workers in Wales who have had to put up with

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uncertainty about their we are in a state of limbo.

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The workforce is anxious and fearful of the future. Their collaboration

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has ceased because they are waiting to see what local Government

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reorganisation will look like and what is in its place is a tendency

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of councils to outsource services. Services are becoming fragmented.

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Leighton Andrews tried to drive through change at County Hall is in

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an abrasive manner. Now, the man given the job, Mark

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Drakeford, cuts a more consulate tree figure. The question is whether

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it is remotely possible to get agreement on such a big subject like

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this, and then to take people with him.

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Much more to come before seven o'clock.

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Football manager Chris Coleman is rewarded for guiding Wales

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to Euro 2016 with an extension to his contract.

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And, a fairly quite week ahead, with plenty of dry weather.

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The body responsible for overseeing the environment in Wales has

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admitted a 95 page objection to draft plans for the proposed M4

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relief road. Environmental groups say it is a significant blow for the

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billion pound scheme. Let us have it work with our environment

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correspondent. What have natural resource is Wales had to say?

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They were responding to a public consultation into draft plans for

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the 14 mile, six lane motorway to the south of Newport aimed at easing

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congestion. As part of the consultation, the Government is

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prepared environmental statement is looking at how nature would be

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affected, what measures would deem to be put in place to mitigate those

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impacts. What natural resources Wales is saying, they say they can't

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support these plans with the specific concerns over species like

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otters, dormice, bats. The impact on sites of special interest. They are

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worried about flood risk. This is significant because the Welsh

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Government would need to apply to them for a range of licences in

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terms of the environment. Unless changes are made to those plans then

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it does not look like those permissions will be forthcoming. It

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is a significant challenge to the Welsh Government's view of itself as

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a sustainable deferment champion. N W I think this perhaps is not the

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most sustainable way of using those -- addressing this traffic problems.

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There will be a public inquiry as announced by Carwyn Jones.

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A multi-million pounds refurbishment has begun

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on the Elan Valley Aqueduct which has been carrying water

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from Powys to Birmingham for more than a century.

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It runs for more than 70 miles, and is the only source of water

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The work should be completed by 2019.

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The existing aqueduct is actually in pretty good condition,

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But, during our routine inspections, we have noted we do have some

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sections that are deteriorating, we do have some cracks.

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So, in a proactive approach, what we have got going on today,

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and the arrival of the tunnelling machine, is laying a new sectionm

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to run alongside the existing, that we can tie at on either end.

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But how do you stay one step ahead of the hackers?

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The UK's intelligence agency, GCHQ, is hoping to find

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the next generation of digital crime fighters,

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It's given its seal of approval for a computer forensics course run

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by the University Of South Wales, the only one of its kind

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in the UK that's been certified by the spy masters.

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Last year, two-and-a-half million of us in the UK fell

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Computer hacking also costs companies millions

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From mobile phones, to gaming consols, even the technolgy built

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into our cars, we're surrounded by devices that

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There are about six billion internet connected devices

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Each one of these leaves a digital fingerprint.

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That can tell us more about who is using them,

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And that's a potent source of information for security agencies

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who are trying to defend us against cyber crime.

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Today, the intelligence service GCHQ revealed that it was certifying just

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one university masters course in the UK for computer forensics.

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That course is here at the University Of South Wales.

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Students will be trained how to identify, recover,

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and analyse data from digital devices that have

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Experts believe that we'll need millions more personnel working

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on global cyber security over the next three years.

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And, at the moment, we're well short of that figure.

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in the market and not enough people to actually go

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It is a case of we don't have enough people on the ground to deal with

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While most cyber crime involves the theft of data and,

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ultimately, money, those same methods are used by terrorist

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So, students on the course will be performing forensics

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on the kind of technology that underpins our national

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This train set reveals a real-world scenario where hackers have

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targeted the rail network, precisely because many of these

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That has left them vulnerable to attack.

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If they are connected to more networks, then there are more entry

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Therefore there is more chance an attacker can get control.

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If cyber crime is a war, then cyber security is the new battlefront.

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And forensic skills like these will be vital if we stand any chance

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Sir Tom Jones will be making his first public appearance

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since the death of his wife at this year's Hay Festival in Powys.

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His childhood sweetheart, Lady Melinda Rose Woodward,

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known as Linda, died last month, after battling cancer.

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The singer will be discussing his autobiography at the annual

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Weeks before this summer's European Championships,

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Chris Coleman has agreed a new deal to stay on as Wales manager

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He said he was honoured and delighted to put pen to paper.

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His contract was about to end this summer.

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The deal brings to an end weeks of negotiations.

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After the uncertainty, confirmation today that

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Chris Coleman is staying, providing continuity

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But, reaching a deal was far from straightforward.

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There have been times I have come away from a certain meeting,

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really frustrated, thinking maybe this isn't going to happen.

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I am sure it is the same for the FAW, thinking

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But, the big test was, it went on for quite a while.

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But I think that tells you that both parties wanted to get it sorted out.

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His bosses, relieved that questions over Coleman's future

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It has been an unwelcome distraction.

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Speculation over the future of that man has been a sorry saga.

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Negotiations have been going on for months.

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Chris Coleman conceded today that talks had lasted longer

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Coleman wanted improvements made behind the scenes.

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Details of which were not shared with us today.

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There's expectations with the way we operate.

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Very important, we need continue to change, continue to evolve.

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We can't expect the same results by doing the same thing.

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We did that in the last campaign and were successful.

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We need to change again to ensure we have every best opportunity

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Coleman hopes that World Cup qualifying campaign will be better

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than his last, which included a heavy defeat

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For a man who lost his opening five games in charge,

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and the only Wales manager to do so, it has been a remarkable turnaround.

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Preparations for Euro 2016 continue tomorrow.

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The squad will fly out to the Algarve for a training camp.

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Coleman revealed the injured Joe Ledley will travel.

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He said the toughest decision will be whether to include him

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It will be whittled down to just 23 next Tuesday.

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The Commonwealth and double Olympic cycling champion Geraint Thomas has

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signed a two-year contract extension with Team Sky.

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The cyclist, from Cardiff, says he's staying so he can keep

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progressing, after winning the Paris-Nice road race in March.

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He's expected to be a part of Team Sky at the Tour

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Essex have built up a small lead on the second day of Beco championship

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match against Glamorgan. 300-9, a lead of 40, with one wicket

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remaining in the first innings. It has been a decent day, we can

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look forward to another sunny day tomorrow. Feeling warmer than today.

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Tonight, we still have a few showers especially across the south and

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east. After sunsets, it will become cold fairly quickly. The potential

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for some grass frost in the countryside with temperatures around

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three Celsius. High pressure remains in charge

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tomorrow, another fairly settled day. Clouds in the east today,

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tomorrow, more blue sky. A chilly start to Tuesday, the sunshine gets

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to work, pretty strong, temperatures recovering pretty quickly. By

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afternoon, the risk of isolated showers. Most of us getting away

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with a dry afternoon, in the sunshine feeling pleasantly warm, 18

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Celsius. The winds are light. Tomorrow night, some fine evening

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sunshine, showers will clear away. Overnight, clear skies, some cloud

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creeping into North East Wales. Further south and west, clear skies,

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temperatures down to sixth. We head into Wednesday, temperatures

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hanging on. Much cloudier on Wednesday. Feeling cooler. You will

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notice the difference. Clouds on Wednesday, brightness

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further west. The odd spot of light rain. Temperatures disappointing for

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the time of year, up to 14 Celsius. Winds remaining light. Friday,

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warmer conditions again. Mixed with sunshine and showers.

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Looking better for the weekend. The headlines. Several companies have

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expressed an interest in buying Tata steel in the UK, today is the

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deadline to submit bids. Excalibur and Liberty Stadium would be willing

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to work together. I'll have an update

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for you here at eight o'clock, From all of us on the programme,

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good evening,

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