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top stories: Over 6 million Spaniards are looking for work as

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the jobless figures hit a record high of 27.2%. Rescuers hear the

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pleas from workers trapped under the rubble in the Bangladesh factory

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collapse. 183 people are known to have died. Getting closer to the

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law: Confirmation that a French publisher and photographer are

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investigated over topless pictures of the Duchess of Cambridge. And

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Robert redford talks about his new film. The Sundance Festival and miss

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missed opportunities. -- missed opportunities. Hello everybody.

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Finding work in Spain is hard, it has gotten harder. The jobless

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figures published a couple of hours ago, show that unemployment has hit

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a record high. Spain's jobless rate rising to 27.2% for the first

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quarter of the year. That means that more than 6 million people have no

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job. That is one person in four. On Friday, the Spanish government is

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due to announce target reforms but many in Spain and elsewhere in

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Europe are starting to think that the austerity policies are

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themselves holding back economic growth. Let's go live to the BBC's

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Burj Al-Arab who joins me from Madrid -- Tom Burridge. Tom, is this

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better or worse than expected with the numbers? Well, I think probably

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slightly worse, Nick. The figures were expected to go up. The

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government said so. 27%, though, it is probably slightly higher than

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many would have thought. I think that they have passed here in Spain,

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a depressing milestone for many. 6 million people are now unemployed in

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Spain that is difficult for the government politically. How is the

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government going to respond to this, given that there is now a debate

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that you have been reporting on, about whether austerity is still

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justified as the way forward to achieve new growth? Well, I think

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that there has been a change of tone from the Spanish government in weeks

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over the austerity debate. They seem to be appealing to Brussels and to

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the European Commission, to say that they have done a lot of austerity

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last year. If they do more all at the same time, it necessarily a good

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thing? The idea of almost strangling the economy when it is down. You

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pump lots of austerity, you cut public spending, increase taxes so

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that people have less money in their pocket to spend in the economy and

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you are prolonging the recession that is how the argument is going.

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That is gaining traction from Spain and from the comments of Christine

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Lagarde, the head of the IMF in recent days, and top officials of

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key financial institutions in Europe. That message seems be --

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seems to be getting through. More economic reforms tomorrow, yes but

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probably not as tough as those we have seen in the last year. Tom, if

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they were to change the policy or modify it in that way, there would

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be a significant lag time, where what is going on now would continue

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even before there is a change, maybe for the better? I think that is

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exactly it. There is a balance to be struck. The government has to keep

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some form of austerity. There are key areas, for example public

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pensions in Spain. Talk to any economist, they will tell you that

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pensions must be addressed at some point it looks like the government

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may hold off on that for now. We will find out tomorrow, but there

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are other areas, maybe governance, the political structural system in

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Spain. A lot of people feel that must be reformed. . Certainly, Spain

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is going to make more and more economic reforms. The question is

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how much, how deep and when and it goes back to the argument we

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mentioned, if you do it all at once and take a lot of public money out

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of the system, you hurt people's pockets further, when there are such

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high levels of unemployment here, are you just prolonging the

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recession further? Spain is in its fifth year of an economic crisis.

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Thank you very much. Here in the UK, there has been some slightly better

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news on the economy. Official figures are just released suggesting

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that Britain has narrowly voided slipping into recession for a third

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time in five years, a so-called triple dip. The economy grew by

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0.3%. That is higher than expected. So, what is the reading? Let's go to

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the BBC's Political Correspondent, Rob Watson. How are the politicians

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reading this? As you can imagine, this was being watched carefully. As

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you said, Britain as narrowly avoided a triple dip recession, that

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is hugely important politically. Not surprisingly, the coalition

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government here in the UK has been talking about this very much as a

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sign of progress. I think that they are hugely relieved. What you have

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heard from the op silgs, and from some of the trade unions is that it

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is still not good enough. That while there has been growth, overall,

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looking at the rate of the economic recovery in Britain it is very slow

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and indeed rather flat. Let's pick up on the debate that is grow

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growing traction in Spain, about whether or not austerity is the

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right way to do things. The IMF has put Britain under pressure, saying

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maybe you are going for austerity too strongly? I should say, Nick,

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that the debate about austerity has always been here in the UK. Of

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course, you had the opposition Labour Party which was in government

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previously, calling on the Government from the start to try to

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cut the deficit at about half of the speed it was aiming to do. The

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coalition on its particular course. That debate has never gone away. I

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don't think it is going to go away any time soon. Interestingly, I

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bring this up, as you have been talking about Spain, a recent

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opinion poll has suggested that the British voters are sympathetic and

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able to bare austerity. Indeed their opposition to it and to the speed of

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reigning in Government spending has lessoned in recent months. Thank you

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very much. Now, let's go to Bangladesh where hundreds of

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desperate workers and relatives are digging with whatever they can to

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pull survivors from a wreck agenda. More than 180 people have died when

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the eight-storey building collapsed, but it is feared that the final

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figure will be higher. 1,500 people have escaped. Well we have the

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latest from the area. As you can imagine, the frantic rescue

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processes continued over the night and throughout the day today. They

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are still doing it now. In two days they have pulled out about 1,500

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people alive from the wreck agenda, from the debris. The rescue

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officials are saying that they will continue to explore for people who

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are trapped inside. There are lots of activities going on. They are

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trying to open the mrgs -- they are trying to open the buildings. They

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are trying to access people in them, trying to provide food and water.

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Masood, what about the politics of this, on the regulatory issues, the

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issues about so many factories and buildings like this, where there

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must be real doubts about how safe they are now? It really proves that

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the volume untear efforts by, on behalf of the garment factory owners

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to ensure safety to their workers is not really working. Because of Go

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factory workers are powerful in the country, like a holy cow. They can

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have pressure on the government. It looks like the government is

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incapable of doing anything to safety to the people. This has been,

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these sort of questions are being asked by the people on the street as

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well as in the traditional media and the social networks, how come this

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tragedy could happen to these people, to these workers? They are

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poor people. Most of them are women. Why are the garment factory owners

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are allowing them inside despite discovering major cracks in the

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building structure. To China now. State media has accused terrorists

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of being behind vining in an area where more than 20 people have died.

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There is a history of tension in the region. Nearly 200 people died in

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riots in the regional capital four years ago. I asked if detail has

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emerged from the area, where it is often not easy to get information.

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We have had no news of the information since the news of the

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attack came out leader. -- yesterday. It is a frustrating story

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to report on it is difficult to uncover the truth of what went. Two

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very, very different accounts of what sparked the violence in

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Kashgar. The government arguing it was a planned terrorist attack while

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others arguing that the Chinese police sparked the attack when they

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shot a local youth. It is difficult to know what is going on in the

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ground. There has been little information coming out of the area

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today. What about the politics of this? The Chinese central government

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is warning of what it calls terrorism, and pointing to the

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Uighur problem? Exactly. Chinese officials argued that there is a

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double standard applied by Western countries when using the term

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terrorism. The Chinese government argued that the. Ighur does employ

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terrorist tactics. Many argue that this is not the case Uighur. Many

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are saying that the Chinese heavy-handed policing creates much

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of the problems there. So the use of the term terrorism in relation to

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these people is unreasonable. issing a the United Nations to

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create a new multinational force to take over its operations. The idea

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to deploy 12,000 mostly West African soldiers to the region from July the

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1st. The UN Security Council is to vote on the plan from Mali on

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Tuesday. We report from council north of the capital, Bamako. France

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came to the rescue of its former colony earlier in the year. Now it

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is leading the march to train 2,000 soldiers in Mali's divided army.

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TRANSLATION: The Malian army has fall tonne an all-time low. We did

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not have the training or the equipment. Now that the training is

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available to us, and the equipment, people are motivated. I think that

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the standards will improve. Credibility is a problem when

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Islamists got close to Bamako in January, soldiers abandoned their

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positions. In scrub land north of the Malian capital, the first 700

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Malian troops are undergoing training. Marines are teaching the

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basics of handling firearms. Abilities are mixed. These soldiers

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still is have not fired a shot after training two weeks. No-one knows the

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size of the Mali military, last year a captain staged a coup. The

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#5er78's been accused of human rights abuses. We explain to them

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that we give them a box of tools. We show them the way. We show them the

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things that they have to keep in mind. New tools and perhaps a more

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thoughtful approach to the use of force. These men have the

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expectations of a nation on their shoulders. In the face of continued

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violence under the banner of Islamism, both Mali and Europe need

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this army to deliver results. This is BBC World News with me, Nick

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Gowing. Australians and New Zealanders attend dawn services

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around the world to mark Anzac Day from the First World War. A ballroom

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dancer who lost her left foot in the Boston marathon bombings vowed to

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dance again. She had been running in the marathon when a bomb exploded

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beside her. Despite her injuries, she wants to run in next year's

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Boston marathon. We heard a loud blast. The first bomb had gone off.

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We newbie the sheer sound of it, the smoke that it was not something that

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was just a fun thing, an explosion of confetti. I was terrified. I knew

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that there would be another explosion. By the videos that we saw

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we were about four feet from where the bomb was. We were not, we were

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knocked off our feet. I remember the air, the... Impact of the explosion

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hitting our, my chest. I remember being knocked off and knocked off

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our feet. We landed in this way and I said that I thought there was

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something wrong with my foot. We looked down. I looked down. There

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was blood everywhere. My friend's leg was clovred in blood. My left

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foot, my ankle from this, I won't take off my shoe I have dancer's

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feet! But my foot was missing from here to here, but this was connected

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and my toes were connected. The fireman said she has to go. I asked

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them to save my foot. I kept screaming it over again. When I

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dance I don't care about anything else at all. I could be having a

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horrible day and a horrible morning and if I could just dance for five

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minutes it would make it that much better. That is why this is hard. I

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can't get up and dance right now. I absolutely want to dance again and

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will dance again. I also want to run the marathon next year. I have a lot

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of people that have backed me up and support me even though they know I'm

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not a runner at all. There is so me, Nick Gowing. The latest

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headline: Over 6 million Spaniards are now looking for work as jobless

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figures hit a record high at 27.2%. Britain's economy grows by 0.3%, the

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country dodges a feared triple-dip recession.

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The publisher of a French celebrity magazine and a photographer who took

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pictures of a topless Duchess of Cambridge have been placed under

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formal investigation for breach of brevity. The pictures were taken

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while the royal couple was holidaying in southern France.

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Closer magazine has argued the photos were taken from a public road

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and therefore are not offensive. The BBC's Christian Fraser is following

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the story, and when he joined me from Paris, I asked whether the real

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issue is France's tight privacy laws. Yes, very tight, and a public

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criminal complaint was started in October. You might remember that

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back then the judge ordered the original photographs had to be

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handed over to the couple and for every day that they delayed, there

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would be an 8000 euros fine. The criminal complaint was interesting,

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because there were no name suspects on it, the public prosecutor has

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rigorously pursued it, as well he might, given the complainants, and

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he has come up with two names. The first is the executive director of

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the publisher of Closer magazine, the group owned by the former

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Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi. The second person is a

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freelance photographer from a local newspaper. She has admitted already,

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Nick, that she has taken pictures of the couple in their swimwear, which

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were printed in the local newspaper one week before the topless

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photographs appeared, but she denied taking the topless photographs. That

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will be the use you for the trial. What does the law say in France

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about privacy when there is this proliferation of digital photos?

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Does it have to be a journalist? Where is the line between private

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use and breach of brevity? Well, it is a grey area. I have to say that

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in France they have very strict privacy laws, and there are cases

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where celebrities have won cases for grudge breaches of privacy. These

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celebrity gossip magazines, what they tend to do is take a gamble,

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and educated risk. Know that they will probably be caught out by the

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courts. The finds only go up to 30,000 euros. Our viewers will know

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that these magazines will fly off the shelves, so they are probably

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worked out that the Prophet versus the risk is worth the gamble, and

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that is the problem for top there have been calls for Brucie laws to

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be looked at again, when the vines need to be stiff and is the big

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question. -- privacy laws. This is one across the bow was for media

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rampage in Mexico, damaging several buildings in the capital, and what

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is a pricing is that they are teachers, angry at sweeping

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the governing party, as well as those of the two main opposition

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parties. A senator's office was also badly damaged. Frightened workers

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were trapped inside as they attacked the building with pickaxes and

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sticks, breaking windows, spray-painting slogans and setting

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fires. The security forces have, for now, held back from breaking up the

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protests for fear of further igniting an already tense situation,

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but such an approach can only last for so long. The teachers union

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appears to have the support of local civilian defence groups which have

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started to take justice into their own hands, angry at what they see as

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in action and corruption by the state. If the separate groups have

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joined forces, it presents a potentially major stumbling block

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Tens of thousands of Australians and New Zealanders have attended

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services around the world to commemorate Anzac Day for the first

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time the role of indigenous soldiers is also being acknowledged. Anzac

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Day mark the 90th anniversary of one of the most badly botched operations

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of World War I, the Gallipoli landings of 1915. Thousands died in

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a doomed attack off the Turkish coast. From Sydney, Phil Mercer

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reports. Anzac Day is a time for two

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countries to reflect on a military disaster that took place almost a

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century ago. It commemorates the campaign at Gallipoli in 1915 by the

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Australian and New Zealand army call. For many, their courage and

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enemy fire helped to forge the national identity of the former

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British colonies. Historians say that it is growing in significance

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as the young embrace the sacrifice that the vein Australian military

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traditions. -- define. Many make the pilgrimage to the Gallipoli

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Peninsula in Turkey, where Australian and New Zealand also is

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landed 98 years ago and suffered enormous casualties. -- forces. More

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Australian, died more than a decade ago, but the legend and yours. Anzac

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Day is the most revered date on the Australian calendar. Veterans from

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more recent conflicts in East Timor, the Solomon Islands, Iraq and

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Afghanistan are encouraged to take The night... He made his name in big

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box office hits, but Robert Redford's real passion is for small

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independent movies, and that is why he set up a film Festival in Utah.

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This weekend the festival and its ambitions moved to London. Charlie

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Stayt asked him what makes a big star want to promote low-budget

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movies. When I was a kid, I grew up in a lower working class

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neighbourhood. In those days, talking about the end of the Second

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World War, you would go to a theatre for 40 cents, you would maybe see

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two features, a newsreel about the war still going on. You saw a

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cartoon, maybe two, you saw a serial, Flash Gordon, wonder woman,

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Tarzana. So years later, I noticed that the concessions were kicked out

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sky-high, that is where they made their money. And then you had one

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film, and you had maybe six trailers blasting your ears off, advertising

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new films. What has happened to the experience of seeing films? That led

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to the idea of the Sundance Festival, showing films, and then

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the Sundance Cinemas, of which we now have seven, we wanted to

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recreate that experience work film was more respected. Yourself and

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Paul Newman and that year of stars, they see them as being different

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somehow. When you hear that, what do make of that argument? You know, to

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be honest with you, the way the business is now, to the point where

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it is almost boring, I am not sure I would be attracted to the business

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in today's climate. I do not know that I would be wanting to go into a

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profession where everything is known, when you do not have some

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privacy to live a life that is normal, more real in your mind.

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I ask you about the Bill Bryson book which you are making into a film?

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Originally, the idea was that you and Paul Newman would do that.

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was the idea, that was the hope, and when I took it to Paul, I think the

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age difference between us was beginning to show up, and he felt

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that, and he was concerned about it. I still wanted to do it with him, I

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thought it was perfect after the other two that we had done. It

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became clear over time that it was not going to be possible, and then

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Paul passed away. But I believe in the project, I love the project.

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Gatsby, he had a grand vision for his life since he was a boy...

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Gatsby is being remade, what did you think when you heard that? First of

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all, I think it is one of those timeless books. The one I was

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involved in was not even the second, I think. So this is a good film,

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