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the Taliban prisoner swap that allowed US soldier to walk free, the

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American Defence Secretary tells the BBC they had to act quickly to save

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Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl. It was our judgment that his life and health

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were in peril. Canadian police are hunting a gunman after three

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officers were killed in a shooting. In Ireland, the Catholic Church has

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told an order of nuns to co-operate with any enquiry over the death of

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800 children found in a mass grave on their premises. How deep are the

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divisions in Ukraine? We speak to the man who is chairman of the

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Donetsk People's Republic to find out.

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Hello. Bowe Bergdahl is free at last. The hometown of Sergeant Bowe

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Bergdahl, the man held by the Taliban after five years in

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captivity, has called off a rally to celebrate his homecoming. There is

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growing controversy over the exchange deal which led to his

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release. Several former Army colleagues claimed he had deserted

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his post in Afghanistan. Speaking exclusively to the BBC,

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his post in Afghanistan. Speaking Chuck Hagel has defended the

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decision to go ahead with the two serial -- the deal without going to

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Congress. We do not leave people behind. How circumstances why the

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disappearance, the Army has already addressed that and it will get to

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that. These are strong people and they are reassured and thankful that

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their son is safe. They are prepared to help do everything they can to

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get him put back together. American senators were briefed last night.

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Many are still not convinced. What is the urgency? What made you do

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without going to Congress and saying, we want to give you a heads

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up? I cannot get into all the specifics of the details, the

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intelligence and the information. We are doing that will stop we had

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three hearings yesterday dashed not hearings dashed back meetings, with

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all members of the Senate. Senior staff members will follow on with

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this next week. We are being completely transparent where we need

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to be. Can we know what the health issue was? We will get to all those

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questions. I am going to answer your bigger question. There is a lot of

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classified information on how we got him out, when we got him out,

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methods used. These are important classified documents. We are sharing

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these things in classified forms with appropriate committees. To your

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bigger question, why now? It is our judgment based on the information we

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had that his life, his health, were in peril. It has been reported from

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Nigeria that Boko Haram militants dressed as soldiers have killed at

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least 200 civilians in the north-east of the country. The group

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wants to establish an Islamic state in Nigeria. The massacres happened

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on Monday. An unnamed community leader who witnessed the killing

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said residents have been warned about the attacks and pleaded for

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the military to send soldiers. He said no help arrived. Three

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communities were attacked in this incident, which was also confirmed

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by a security official in the state capital. Two islands now, as the

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Catholic Church has told an order of nuns they must co-operate with any

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enquiry into the discovery of the remains of nearly 800 children in an

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unmarked grave. The grave was first discovered some 40 years ago in the

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grounds of a former home for unmarried mothers. It is thought at

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that time the children had died join the great famine of the 1840s.

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Research now points to an incident around the 20th century. The Virgin

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Mary looks down on the spot where the mass grave was found. On the

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grounds of a former home for unmarried mothers, run by nuns who

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belong to the Catholic Church. The grave was originally found almost 40

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years ago. Then people were told it contained the remains of those who

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had died during the great famine. These two men remember the day they

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made the grim discovery. We cracked it open and there it was. Babies

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eight or nine feet deep. Symantec it is hard to describe. We did not

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realise the magnitude of what was going on at the time. New research

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by a local historian has found a grave in fact contain the bodies of

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almost 800 babies and children, who were buried inside a septic tank.

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The children were aged between two days and nine years old. They died

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between 19251961. Death records showed most of the children died of

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sickness or disease. We cannot really judge the past from our point

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of view. All we can do is market appropriately and make sure there is

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a suitable place where people can come and remember the babies that

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died here. This is the latest in a string of troubling abuse

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allegations against the Catholic Church. Campaigners are calling for

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a full public enquiry. The Government says they are taking the

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allegations over this case very seriously. There is a view towards

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ensuring we can get to the bottom of this harrowing issue. It is a matter

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of great public disquiet and upset. The local community is now trying to

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raise funds for a permanent memorial. Let's get some more on

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this. We can go to Dublin and speak to our journalist. Thank you for

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joining us. We heard Father Monaghan saying, we cannot judge the past

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through our own modern lens. Is that how people are perceiving it in

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Ireland? There has been a whole spate over the last two decades of

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inquiries into a legacy of abuse in institutions which were under the

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control of church orders. What happened in Ireland after

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independence was that the state handed over authority for a variety

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of care homes and institutions where vulnerable people were living to

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religious orders. What went on at some of these institutions was

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nothing short of torture - horrendous conditions. People are

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aware of this thing for quite some time. The discovery of something

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like 800 bodies in a septic tank has brought great shock. The fact they

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were in a septic tank would suggest this is something way more recent

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than the famine times. Also, what nature of burial to these children

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get why were they treated with such disdain by those who are caring for

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them? These issues be looked at. Church officials are saying they

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would agree with the exclamation of these bodies to try and find out

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exactly what happened to the children. -- be digging up of these

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bodies. The Archbishop of Dublin has said that he wants all

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investigations to look into what exactly happened here. The church

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has undergone something of a revolution. We see it with the

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election of Pope Francis now. Because of what has happened, the

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two men to secrets of the past had to be covered up. -- the tremendous

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secrets. There is a very strong desire for this kind of thing to be

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investigated. The status of the Church has been severely diminished

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by the scandal. No surprise that leading Church figures are demanding

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that should be a proper enquiry into what happened and what would appear

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to be a particularly graphic example of these type practices. Thank you

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very much. Police in the small Canadian town of Monkton are asking

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for a gunman who shot dead three of their colleagues. The incident began

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in New Brunswick at around 7:30pm as police responded to reports of an

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unarmed man on the street -- an armed man on the street. Residents

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have been told to stay indoors and not approach the gunman, who is in

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camouflage gear, and carrying at least two guns. Our reporter gave us

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the latest. At this point, there are still many police officers on the

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scene in the surrounding areas and provinces. All on the ground, trying

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to track down the gunman, who was last seen in a small subdivision. As

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you mentioned, it is virtually locked down. There is no access to

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the neighbourhood. At this point, they are trying to flush out where

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he might be hiding and has been hiding out for several hours. This

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has been going on since approximately 7:30pm local time. At

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this point, police are anxiously trying to find the suspect. We have

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not heard any updates. The last thing we heard was from the police

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approximately 45 minutes ago. They posted on Twitter they are still

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searching and asking people to stay in their homes and lock their doors

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and to call police if they happen to notice the gunman out. He is quite

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noticeable. A picture was released of him earlier. I have heard

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comparisons to Rambo. Wearing camouflage and carrying rifles.

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Quite a stark image and the tragic night. Now to the summit that should

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have been the G8 and ended up as a G7, of course, because of the

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exclusion of leading a Putin. Instead of being in Sochi as guests

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of Vladimir Putin, it is taking place in Brussels. The G7 leaders

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have issued a joint statement already saying they are ready to

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intensify targeted sanctions against Russia is Moscow does not help to

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ease the tensions in eastern Ukraine. Those measures would come

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on top of the sanctions already imposed on Russian officials,

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institutions and individuals. President Putin was not sharing

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breakfast with otherworldly lives. That does not mean he is altogether

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absent from dinner plans. President Francois Hollande is expected to

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meet President Putin for dinner in Paris.

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Francois Hollande is expected to meet President Putin This is what

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the commissioner had to say about the formal exclusion of Russia and

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the meeting is planned with Mr Putin once the summit closes. We are for

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dialogue and not for confrontation. We are keeping a dialogue with

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Russia which is important. We must accept Russia as a like-minded

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partner in a forum of democracies like the G8 and the G7. It is very

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powerful we cannot accept Russia of Vladimir Putin as legitimate member

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of the G8. We are keeping our ways of dialogue to redeem and with

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Russia because we have to recognise that Russia is necessary to find a

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solution for the issues that are important for our continent,

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including the important and dramatic issue of Ukraine. Some meetings will

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still go ahead in Paris between Mr Putin and his British and French

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counterparts, we understand. For more on this, I spoke to our

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correspondent in Moscow and asked whether the Kremlin was ready to

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shift its stance. It is certainly a leadership that is hoping they may

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be able to defuse the situation. They want to do this without giving

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anything away. They want the Western powers to recognise the fact that

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Crimea is effectively part of Russia and they want the Western powers,

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when it comes to eastern Ukraine, to persuade the Government in Kiev to

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give the people in eastern Ukraine the rights. They believe the people

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of eastern Ukraine are asking for more rights, rights of autonomy at

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least from Kiev. It is not necessarily about a shift but a hope

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that the dialogue will lead things more in their direction. Do not

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forget this summit was supposed to be taking place in Sochi. It was

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supposed to be a G8 Summit in Sochi and has turned into a G7 summit with

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President Putin hanging around on the sidelines the day before the

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D-Day commemorations. One of the demands was to Paul the troops away

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from the border. There has been a withdrawal of some troops, do you

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expect that to continue? I am not sure. There has been a significant

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withdrawal of troops. Russia said it in a way that was convincing and we

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saw it actually happening. There are more troops there than the

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Ukrainians and made to feel comfortable with. The thing that

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people are really uncomfortable with at the moment is how porous the

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border is from the Russian side. How many pro-Russian support fighters

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are going over and supporting the insurgency in eastern Ukraine and

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that is what everyone is asking the Russians to stop at the moment. Why

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more and more wealthy Chinese tourists are abandoning beaches back

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home for exotic destinations abroad. It's just a week now until the 2014

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World Cup kicks off in Brazil. A set piece event

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like this should be a big morale But discontent rules

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on the streets of Brazil. A new survey by the Pew Research

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Center suggests the majority of Brazilians are not satisfied

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with their country's direction. And some believe

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the World Cup is diverting resources The BBC's David Botti takes

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a look at the survey's findings. Nearly three quarters of Brazilians

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aren't happy with their country's direction. A big number for sure,

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but check this out. It has leapt from 55% just a year ago. People's

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top-rated concerns with things like rising prices, crime, health care

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and political corruption. These have long been sources of frustration,

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but the research characterised today's discontent as unmatched in

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recent years. Most Brazilians said the World Cup won't help matters one

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bit. About six in ten think hosting the event sucks money away from

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crucial public services. Just about three in ten think it's a good thing

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because of job creation. You might remember those mass demonstrations

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across the country in 2013, protesting economic conditions among

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other grievances. Pew Research Center found 48% of Brazilians think

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they damaged the country's international reputation. So could

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the World Cup rectified is for the hosts? Just 35% of Brazilians said

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the World Cup will help the country's global image. And 39% said

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the football tournament will hurt its image. The headlines. Chuck

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Hagel has told the BBC any delay in securing BBC -- release of Sgt Bowe

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Bergdahl from Taleban captivity could have put his life at risk. I

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spoke to our correspondent, who interviewed Chuck Hagel. I asked her

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if he -- she was convinced by his explanation that the US had had to

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act immediately. I pushed him on that question because the

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administration has come in for a lot of criticism from members of

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Congress who were asking that question. Why didn't you inform us,

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why didn't you give us the statutory 30 days to respond to this and why

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did you have to get him out immediately? His response was that

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the administration had information that his health and life were in

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peril. I asked him whether that was imminent peril. He said, it's easy

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to sit here and look back and take 24 hours or 48 hours, but we felt we

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had to get him out and we couldn't risk the prospect of leaks if we had

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this 30 day window that we gave Congress. He didn't say to me

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specifically that they only had 48 hours so they had to move

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immediately, but it was interesting that he raised that even as an

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issue, that time frame. How aware do you think the administration was

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about Sgt Bowe Bergdahl and the rumours and speculation about what

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he was doing when he got picked up, whether he had deserted or not? They

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say they are having an investigation into that, that there will be an

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official report on that. I think they have been quite taken by

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surprise about the degree of criticism surrounding his release.

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Chuck Hagel actually spoke to Sgt Bowe Bergdahl's family last night

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from here in Romania, I asked him how they were and how they were

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responding to the criticism. He said they are very strong

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The unrest in eastern Ukraine at the centre of talks in Brussels.

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Wherever those talks might lead, is it already too late to halt the

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In eastern Ukraine, the region of Donetsk has declared

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Steve Rosenberg has been sitting down with the man who's appointed

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himself its chairman, Denis Pushilin, to find out just how far

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Innocent civilians are being killed and these deaths are no longer

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creating such a shock as the first victims did. The fact that Ukraine

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has held a presidential election and that Petro Poroshenko has won it,

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that doesn't change the situation. We think he is the one giving the

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orders now. They want to get all the dirty work done before his

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inauguration, to make him look whiter than white. Will they

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succeed? We will see, but we're not going anywhere. This is our home. So

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you are saying there's no way back, no way back to a united Ukraine for

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Donetsk? We have passed the point of no return. If there had been no

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aggression by Kiev, no victims, then we could have held a referendum

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about being part of a federal Ukraine. Now anyone who suggested

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that would be seen as a criminal here. De facto, the state of Ukraine

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doesn't exist any more. Do you exclude having talks with the new

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president? Talks isn't the right word. Dialogue is possible in the

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presence of an intermediary. We view Russia in that role. There are two

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questions we can discuss. First in exchange of prisoners, second the

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withdrawal of all Ukrainian units from our territory. How important is

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assistance from Russia? There are reports that many volunteers who

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come from the Russian Federation to fight on your side in Ukraine. The

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volunteers keep coming, and not just from Russia. There are just more

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from Russia because we and the Russians are one people. We were

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born in the same country, the Soviet Union, we grew up with the same

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ideals, we have the same heroes. It was our fathers and grandfathers who

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defeated the Nazis. I want to take you to Normandy for a moment. These

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are the pictures live on the Pegasus Bridge, which was captured in the

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early stages of the D-Day landings. Prince Charles is there along with

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Camilla. He will be laying a wreath to those who fought for the capture

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of the bridge, and indeed those many thousands who followed on in the

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D-Day landings. Many of whom who never found their way back to the

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English coast. We have been hearing from some of the veterans. Let's be

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honest, they are in their late 80s at the youngest stage now. Into

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their 90s as well. This is 70 years on since D-Day itself. It is being

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seen as the final official commemoration. We've heard tales of

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veterans who have returned year after year, some to scatter poppies

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on the beach in commemoration of colleagues who fought with them and

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who died in the course of what was the liberation of Europe and what we

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rightly call the beginning of the end of the Second World War. Going

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down the line a bit with the rest of the assembled press to work out

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where Prince Charles is going next. I was going to add, there's an added

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element to what is going on in Normandy because by tomorrow,

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Friday, there was also the possibility that President Putin

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would have a chance to meet the other Western leaders. President

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Obama will be here as well. And perhaps find some sort of way

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through a rather more modern military issue. Two decades ago,

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very few Chinese people ever travelled abroad. With a burgeoning

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Chinese middle class now, nearly one in ten tourists around the world

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comes from China. Between them, they spend more than any other

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nationality. Let's see what's driving this rapid rise. Our cheap

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business correspondent Linda Yueh has been finding out, as she started

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on the Chinese holiday island of Hainan. Enjoying the sun, braving

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the crowds. The Hawaii of China has benefited from the growing middle

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class. Hainan's beaches are teeming with tourists. Can it last?

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TRANSLATION: They've been everywhere domestically, so new places like to

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buy a very popular. They've already been to Hong Kong, Macau, Japan and

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Korea. They are interested in new destinations. People from Hainan

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want to travel internationally. And they have full stop nearly 100

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million overseas trips were taken by Chinese tourists last year. By 2020,

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the number of trips is also expected to nearly double to 200 million a

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year. They spent more than any other travellers, about $100 billion. And

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this figure is expected to triple. This explosive growth in tourism has

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happened quickly. 20 years ago, this kind of place would be where you

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would find Chinese tourists, and that's because the government

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tightly controlled the movement of its people overseas. But now it's

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all changed. That means that other countries and their businesses are

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keen to compete with China to cash in on the tourist dollars. I want to

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take you back over to Normandy, because Prince Charles is just on

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the verge of laying a wreath to those who gave their lives in the

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D-Day landings at the beginning of the end of the Second World War, as

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it is described. A moment of quiet reflection. More of the few veterans

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who also made that trip. We will leave you with these pictures here.

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as Britain's museums open up... at night.

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Join us as we celebrate our ever-changing museums and galleries

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Walk through the new Sam Wanamaker Playhouse

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