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the evidence as a whole, and the circumstances of the case, to

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determine the presence or absence of intention at the time of the

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incident. In the present case, on his own version, the accused

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suspected that an intruder had entered his house through the

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bathroom window. Is version was that he genuinely, though erroneously,

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believe that his life and that of the deceased was in danger. There is

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nothing in the evidence to suggest that this belief was not honestly

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entertained. I say this for the following reasons. The bathroom

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window was indeed open, so it was not his imagination at work, when he

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thought he heard the window slide open. He armed himself with a loaded

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firearm and went to the direction of the noise. He heard a door slammed

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shut. The toilet door was indeed shut when he fired four shots at it

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after he heard a movement inside the toilet. On his version, he was

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scared as he thought the intruder was coming out to attack him. There

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is no doubt that when the accused fired shots through the toilet door,

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he acted unlawfully. There was no intruder. Instead, the person behind

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the door was the deceased, and she was dead. I need deal with dolus

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eventualis. The question is, one did the accused foresee it could be

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deceased behind the toilet door? Two, not withstanding the foresight,

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did he fire the shots, thereby reconsighing himself to the

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possibility that -- reconsighing himself to the possibility that it

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could be the deceased in the toilet? The evidence before this court does

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not support the state's convention, that this could be a case of dolus

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eventualis. On the contrary, the evidence shows that from the onset,

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the accused believed that at the time he fired shots into the toilet

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door, the deceased was in the bedroom while the intruders were in

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the toilet. This belief was communicated to a number of people

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shortly after the incident. At 3. 19, the accused disclosed this, when

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he was requested to quickly come to his house.

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At 3.22am, he told his version of this. A few minutes later the same

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information was relayed to the doctor when he arrived at the

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accuse's house and lastly it was told to the police at about 4am, the

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same day. Counsel for the defence correctly argued it was highly

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improbable that the accused would have made this up so quickly and be

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consistent in his version, even at the bail application before he had

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access to the police docket and before he was privy to the evidence

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on behalf of the state at the bail application. The question is, did

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the accused foresee the possibility of the result in death, yet

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persisted in his deed, reckless whether death happened or not? In

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the circumstances of this case, the answer has to be no. How could the

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accused reasonably have foreseen that the shot he fired would kill

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the deceased? Clearly, he did not subjectively foresee this as a

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possibility that he would kill the person behind the door, let alone

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the deceased, as he thought she was in the bedroom at the time. To find

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otherwise would be tantamount to saying that the accused's reaction,

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after he realised that he had shot the deceased was fate, that he was

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play acting, merely to delude the on lookers at the time. Dr Stipp, an

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independent witness, who was at the accused's house, minutes after the

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incident had occurred, stated that the accused looked generally

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distraught, as he prayed to God. As he pleaded with him to help safe the

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deceased. There was nothing to gain say that observation. And this court

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has not been given any reason to reject it and we accept it as true

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and reliable. It follows that the accused in

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honest belief his life was in of danger dolus. The accused therefore

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cannot be found guilty of murder, dolus eventualis. That however is

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not the end of the matter, as culpable homicide is a competent

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verdict. We will take an early lunch. The

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court will adjourn. FORCEWHITE

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STUDIO: Well, an early lunch there. The adjournment there in the last

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couple of seconds made by the judge after a very significant past few

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minutes, where she has discussed the whole issue of intention in the

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shooting of Reeva Steenkamp by Oscar Pistorius. And then, at the last, in

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the last few seconds has said the accused cannot be found guilty of

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murder. Using the term dolus eventualis. Now, I will go through

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some of the legal terminology that the judge has been using because it

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has been very, very thorough with the former judge William Heath. Has

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she discounted the prospect of finding Oscar Pistorius guilty of

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murder per se. Dolus eventualis is indirect intention. So, if you

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foresee the possibility, although you don't inten to murder somebody,

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but if you foresee they could be killed, then of course can be

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guilty. She has found there was no proof of such. In this instance, she

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has accepted his evidence, which is very strong. Which will reflect in

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when she deals with the culpable homicide. After saying it is not

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possible to find Oscar Pistorius guilty of murder, dolus eventualis,

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she mentioned that is not the end of the matter. There is the matter of

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culpable homicide. How strong an indication, she has said, this is

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what I am going to find him guilty of? She did not say that. She needs

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to deal with alternative convictions. She needs to go through

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that. If that is a possibility in law, of an alternative, she needs to

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deal wit. There's no indication she has any intention to find him guilty

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of culpable homicide. She mentioned the existence of culpable homicide,

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which other countries know as manslaughter. What is that charge?

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How much does it relate to intent or negligence? There's no intention

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whatsoever, so it is on the basis that the accused did not behave as

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would be the same. If he was not acting reasonably, then he is

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negligent and guilty of culpable homicide. Just what was lacking...

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On the facts we have listened to, it's going to be interesting to see

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whether she arrives at that conthe collusion. I am really -- at that

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conclusion. I am really looking forward to that. Possibly an hour

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until the court resumes. I mean, just what was lacking in the state's

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case that didn't ashave, A, a premeditated murder conviction or

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any lesser charge of murder? In fact, more than one element of the

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crimes were actually miss in the prosecution's case. The first is of

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course the intention. The second one, on the basis she had found what

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his thoughts were when he was approaching the bathroom. There was

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no malice and was it unlawful when he decided he must protect himself.

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That is the justification of something which may otherwise have

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been unlawful. That he reasonably expected an attack or he was in

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danger, then of course he cannot be convicted of. That if you put

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yourself in that position, he is outside the door. Maybe somebody has

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broken into your house unlawful. It is not uncommon that such a person

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is armed. So, there's a real risk that that person may fire shots as

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well. And it will play no role and serve in purpose if he's waiting for

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the other person to respond, because the other person could have killed

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him. And if he was just waiting and the other person opened the door and

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fired the shot because he's in the process, then... A reminder, Judge

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Masipa has been saying the court cannot find Oscar Pistorius guilty

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of murder and now we are going to hear, after lunch, after this

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adjournment of perhaps an hour, of whether she is going to find Oscar

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Pistorius guilty of the lesser charge of culpable homicide. So, I

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mean we now expect a listing of her findings that the key parts of

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evidence, what she thinks of them, with regard to this lower charge. A

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lot of people have asked throughout this, why didn't A, the prosecution

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go for culpable homicide rather than murder and B, the defence accept a

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lesser charge rather than fighting? It does not follow necessarily that

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if you are acquitted on a more serious crime that you must be

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convicted of the lesser crime. You've still got elements in law,

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which need to be proved, beyond reasonable doubt they were proved.

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That's the crux of the legal system, such as yours and ours and many

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countries. That is that you give the person the doubt, whether they had

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the intention, whether it was unlawful. I have listened to so many

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comments by the public about this case. People are so quick to say, he

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obviously intended to kill her. Why didn't he check she was in the

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bedroom. What was his mind focussed on? It was focussed on noises he

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heard. I do not believe without proper analysis of the evidence you

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can find somebody guilty because you can't do that. That is not a

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democratic society. You just can't do that. And we talked a little

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earlier about the pressure on a judge, South Africa's first

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televised trial. You mentioned that everybody has an opinion about it.

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Everybody thinks they know what Oscar Pistorius did or was thinking

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that night. For the judge, how difficult is it for a judge to

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distance yourself from every single thing you read and hear around you,

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and focus purely on the evidence? Well, after years of experience, you

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do acquire the ability to do that. Not all judges, but most of them.

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And she has obviously acquired it. I am very impressed with the

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reasoning. One can debate that she's right or wrong, but the reasoning,

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the crux she's analysing, as she does, that is so true basic prince

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pals of criminal law. That is where it comes from. If the onus was on

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the accused to prove he was not guilty, as you find in other

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countries, it may have been different. There is a difference

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between the systems. Is there any doubt now that we will find out by

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the end of the day Oscar Pistorius's fate? Will we be getting a verdict

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in maybe a couple of hours? Probably not more than one hour, I would

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imagine. Straight after the lunch adjournment? Yes. We are seeing just

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about the wider legal process and what it shows about the South

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African legal system - has this been an edifying view of the legal

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process in action for people to maybe be discounted of their

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prejudices about it, how it worked, how they thought it worked? Well,

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that is why I am very grateful for this opportunity that the press was

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there and it was actually on video camera. It has proved when you are

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watching and listening, that we are applying the principals of law. It

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is not just the discretion of finding, we applied principals of

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law. And she is a very good example of exactly that.

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If she wanted to debate from her arguments, it could have been easy

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for her to say, oh, well, on this I don't believe you. That's not the

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end of the analysis, where he contradicts himself, but what is the

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essence of the facts before the court. That is what she does. She

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did not have good words for Oscar Pistorius's conduct. She said he was

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an evasive witness. As a judge, what difference does that make in the

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overall picture? If the judge was of the view that he is guilty, then the

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fact he was evasive would have corroborated her inference that he

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was guilty. So evasiveness is an important factor when you lock at

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evidence, but that is not decisive. You need to decide what. Even if the

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accused is an absolute liar you still must analyse the state's

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evidence. That is the crux of it. Just about the wider legal process,

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when a verdict comes, and if there is a conviction, what is the likely

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course of events? How much longer does a case generally, how much can

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it go on for, with appeals and mitigation?

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appeal, they would have to apply for leave to appeal, and usually, in

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such a complex case, they would not do it this afternoon. It may take a

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few weeks. And then, if the judge does rant leave to appeal, then the

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evidence would need to be re-examined, together with the

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analysis of the judge, and then, heads of argument, as we call it,

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would have to be filed by both parties. Only then is a date given

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in the Court of Appeal. And the Court of Appeal is sort of two years

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behind, not because they are slow, but because of the number of cases

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they are dealing with. So, it could take another three years. Regarding

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what the options are now four Judge Masipa, effectively she could find

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him guilty of culpable homicide or to acquit him entirely, in terms of

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culpable homicide, what is the range of possible sentences, and how much

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leeway does the judge have? Well, if it is a culpable homicide, which is

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so close to murder, in the sense that he was acting recklessly, and

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that it was brutal murder, it could be 15 years, even 20 years. As a

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maximum sentence. Yes. But in this case, on the assumption that she

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finds him guilty, I cannot imagine that it would be more than five

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years. What he feared, what he felt, may have exceeded the limits of the

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reasonableness of that, which is why he is the OT of Cobble homicide, if

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we assume that, but what you are looking at is, is he as booty as a

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person who requires a much longer sentence? You cannot say that. She

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has already accepted the fact that he was under the impression that he

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was in danger, which is why the sentence will be much lighter. In

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fact, it is not uncommon that the court can impose a sentence until

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the court the germs. That happens, not quite often, but it does happen

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from time to time. -- until the court adjourns. So, effectively, it

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is just a formality. But as you said, there are many mitigating

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circumstances. Of course, the judge has not convicted Oscar Pistorius of

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anything yet, we are still waiting to hear. The judge has said that the

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court is unable to find Oscar Pistorius guilty of premeditated

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murder, the state had not proved beyond reasonable doubt that he was

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guilty of that. She went on to say that murder without that S back of

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premeditation was also not proven without reasonable doubt. -- without

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that aspect. We will be hearing more when the court resumes after lunch,

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and we will be hearing the when the court resumes after lunch,

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her judgment. We are discussing this with former Judge William Heath. One

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option would be complete acquittal. This is one of South Africa's most

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high-profile cases ever... Many members of the public will be most

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unhappy about that, because of their own little prejudices, because of

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their view that he is guilty. But when you analyse it cold and apply

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the law, you can see why he was acquitted on the more serious

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charges. As a judge, this issue of what public opinion thinks of a

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possible outcome, held much does that play on your mind? It is

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actually irrelevant. There may be judges, we are all human beings, but

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it is of no consequence when you consider a judgment such as this.

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This case has been all about the issue of intention, what was going

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through Oscar Pistorius's mind, there was no element of a

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whodunnit, which makes it all the more difficult? Of course. And the

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cross examination which was done by the prosecutor sort of hammered him

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always in that direction - you had done it intentionally, you knew it

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was wrong, you knew it was your girlfriend behind the door, that

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sort of thing. As opposed to, if he had cross-examined him in a calm

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manner, he might have found different answers than what he got.

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What he has done now is to create sympathy for Oscar because of the

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boldness of his cross examination. That does not mean the cross

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examination has not been strict and to the point, but if it is

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overdone, then you build up sympathy to the point, but if it is

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for the accused. Let's go back to some of what the judge has been

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saying in the last hour about the issue of premeditated murder, and

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the court's inability to prove, the state's inability to prove beyond

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doubt that Oscar Pistorius was guilty of that crime.

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Viewed in its totality, the evidence failed to establish that the accused

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had the requisite intention to kill the deceased, let alone with

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premeditation. I am talking about direct intention. The state clearly

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has not proved beyond reasonable doubt that the accused is guilty of

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premeditated murder. There are just not enough facts to support such a

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finding. It follows that the accused's erroneous belief that his

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life was in danger means that he cannot be found guilty of murder

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dolus eventualis. That however is not the end of the matter, as

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culpable homicide is a competent verdict.

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We now await what the judge has 2 say on that after the lunch

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adjournment. With me, my colleague Andrew Harding, who has been in

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court throughout this trial. It all moved very fast...? It did, it was

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extraordinary, the judge taking a scalpel, more like a sledgehammer,

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too much of the prosecution's case, dismissing the evidence of the

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neighbours who insisted they heard a woman screaming, dismissing the

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evidence, speculation that the couple had been rowing, all of those

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text messages, which the prosecution tried to show meant that surely they

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were having some terrible relationship, and that he must have

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deliberately gone into that toilets to kill her. And we are left with

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the defence's case. It was interesting that initially, Judge

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Masipa made a great deal about the discrepancies between Oscar

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Pistorius's various versions of what happened in those critical few

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seconds in that toilet, when he was standing, pointing his gun at the

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bathroom door. She went through all of these different versions, that it

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was an accident, that he knew someone was coming out and he fired

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either intentionally or involuntarily, and a lot of people

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in court thought, we are heading to some sort of murder charge. And

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then, just in the last few minutes, she concluded that no, the

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prosecution had not proved any form of murder. And we are now left with

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culpable homicide, which could still get him, remember, ten years in

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prison, or a fine or a suspended sentence. The judge has massive

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discretion when it comes to sentencing. All, and I think this

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would be a huge shock, an acquittal. But to me, what has been

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extraordinary today is that essentially, the entire prosecution

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case could have been forgotten about, they hardly needed to turn up

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in court. This was all about Oscar Pistorius's performance on the

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stand, and the crucial cross-examination by Gerrie Nel, who

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did rattle Pistorius very badly. But it was really about Pistorius's own

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version, and the confusion that he showed. And we are left with

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essentially Pistorius's own version of events, and the possibility that

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he may still go to prison, not on what the prosecution accused him of,

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but on his own muddled version of what he says happened. What has his

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demeanour been like in court? I was sitting behind him, and his father

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and the family. I could not see his face. But towards the end his head

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slumped, his neck muscles were preaching frantically. It was clear

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that he was starting to sob, especially when Judge Masipa, who,

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as judges often do, had not made it clear watching was going to say.

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Then suddenly, after quoting all of the legal cases, she got to the

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lowest murder conviction, dolus eventualis, and she said very

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clearly, they have not proved that. Everybody gasps, and Pistorius

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realised that he would not be found guilty of murder. He is not a

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murderer. Clearly, with some sort of relief, he started sobbing. His

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family, though, and I was trying to talk a bit to them afterwards,

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although of course they do not know what is going to happen exactly

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yet, they have got mixed emotions on their faces. Some hints of relief,

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but also, they know that Pistorius could still spend years in jail. I

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spoke very briefly to some of his lawyers, and it is still clearly

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very unclear. I think they are looking, as we suggested for quite

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some weeks, at culpable homicide as the most likely verdict. The family

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of Reeva Steenkamp is also in their - any sense of their emotions? No.

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To be fair, they are sitting a bit further down the line from me so I

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have not seen them close-up. But throughout, her mother has been an

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extraordinary example of controlled emotions, even when a photograph of

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her daughter's head wounds flashed up on screen, early in the trial,

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and she showed nothing, just put her head down gently. It seems like she

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has been determined to maintain and extraordinary degree of composure.

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Thank you very much. We will be bringing you the latest

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developments. But the dramatic fact emerging from the last half-hour is

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that Oscar Pistorius will not be found guilty of the charge of

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murder. We wait to for curious people like us.

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They just keep on coming.

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