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Hello, this is Breakfast, with Dan Walker and Louise Minchin.

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After a near 30-year battle, the families of those who died

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at Hillsborough will find out this morning whether anyone

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It follows two separate enquires into what happened on the day

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of the match and whether there was a cover up afterwards.

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Good morning, it's Wednesday the 28th of June.

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One of the UK's most senior police officers says

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that a reduction in stop-and-search has led to an increase

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Victims tell Breakfast more needs to be done.

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Very angry. Can see it in my eyes. This has got to stop. This knife

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thing's got to stop. Are you paying thousands of pounds

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too much in hidden fees The regulator is to announce

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a crackdown on firms that manage our money but why

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are we still getting a raw deal? In sport...

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Not again. England lose to

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Germany on penalties. Nathan Redmond's miss means

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they fail to make the final of the Under-21 European

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Championship. I'm here to place an early-morning

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football with the guys from Man V Fat to see how teamwork has helped

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men like this and 3000 more around the country lose a combined total of

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30 tons in wake. -- to play some. For England, Wales and Northern

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Ireland some rain on the cards, some of it will be heavy but as

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temperatures rise we could have thundery downpours. The dryers

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conditions today are likely to be in Scotland. More details in 15 minutes

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-- driest conditions. The families of those who died

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at Hillsborough will find out later this morning whether anyone

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will face criminal charges. An inquest ruled last year

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that the 96 Liverpool fans who died at the stadium in Sheffield in 1989

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were unlawfully killed. Our North of England correspondent

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Judith Moritz reports. # Walk on,

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with hope in your heart... It was a moment of history,

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the inquest's finding last year that 96 Liverpool

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fans were unlawfully For their families,

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it was justice, but their legal Steve Kelly lost his brother

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Michael in the disaster. He's spent the 28 years since then

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calling for those responsible There's got to be

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this accountability. It's paramount in this whole case

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to give the families respite and the survivors of Hillsborough

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and you know, to truly let The fans were killed

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when the terraces at the Sheffield ground became overcrowded

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during the 1989 FA Cup semifinal. Since 2012, there have been

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two criminal inquiries Operation Resolve investigated

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the day of the disaster. Offences considered include gross

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negligence manslaughter. One of those waiting

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to hear whether he will face charges is former

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Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield,

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who was the South Yorkshire The police watchdog, the IPCC,

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investigated cover-up allegations, It considered offences including

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misconduct in a public office and perverting

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the course of justice. The former West Yorkshire chief

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constable, Sir Norman Bettison, has revealed that he's been treated

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as a suspect by the IPCC. It isn't known whether

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he wail face charges. Hundreds of investigators have been

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working from these offices for the last four years

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at a cost of ?100 million. There is an expectation that

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charges will be brought, after such a long wait

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and such large-scale effort. That decision will be announced to

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the families at 11am this morning. We will keep you in touch with that

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through the day on the BBC for you. Computer systems around the world

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have been hit by a major cyber-attack affecting banks,

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retailers, energy firms The companies have been

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told their computers will remain Experts who have examined the code

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say in some ways it's more sophisticated than the Wannacry

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virus used in a global attack last Labour is to table an amendment

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to the Queen's Speech calling for more spending on the police

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and fire services. to the 1% cap on public sector pay

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rises. Iain Watson joins us from

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Westminster. Good morning to you once again,

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Iain. Labour are unlikely to win this one so what is the gameplan?

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You're right, Dan, Labour want to win the argument rather than the

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vote because Theresa May on Monday signed the deal with those ten DUP

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MPs from Northern Ireland, so is she should have the votes in the bag to

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defeat Labour but what Labour want to do is first say if you can find

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?1 billion for Northern Ireland to stay in power, can't you find some

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cash to prevent public spending cuts elsewhere in the UK? They're aiming

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to make Conservative MPs feel uncomfortable, some of those who

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lost their seat at the election saying on the doorsteps people were

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saying that pay restraint had gone on for too long so what Labour are

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trying to do is force Conservative MPs to nail their colours to the

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mast and vote down the proposal to lift the public sector paid gap.

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Jeremy Corbyn is looking to invest more in public services after

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Grenfell, his opponents say he is politicising the issue but it hasn't

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hurt him in the opinion polls and in response the Conservatives said we

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have protected police spending but if you want to protect public

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services you need a stronger economy and that is something that Labour

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can't deliver. Iain, thanks, speak to you later.

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Sinn Fein has accused the Democratic Unionist Party

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of failing to give any ground in talks to restore devolved

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Sinn Fein has accused the Democratic Unionist Party

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of failing to give any ground in talks to restore devolved

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Two weeks on from the Grenfell Tower fire, Theresa May has called

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for a major national investigation into the use of cladding

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Every one of the samples tested from 95 buildings across England

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Our reporter Simon Jones is in west London for us this morning.

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What more can you tell us about these safety tests? Well, 95

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buildings tested so far and all have failed. The thing that strikes you

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hear two weeks on is just how many questions remain about what

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happened, why are these buildings now failing these new tests? Why did

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the fire at Grenfell Tower take hold so drastically? How many people

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actually died? Will we ever know the final total? Outside this church,

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this has become one of the focal points for the grief with people

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putting up posters and bringing flowers. The posters have people on

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sadly now presumed to have died. To give you a sense of where we are

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this morning, that same Methodist church and a short distance away is

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what remains of the tower. Still a shocking sight to see it two weeks

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after the tragedy took place. A big focus of this investigation is going

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to be cladding, tests have failed on high-rise buildings across the

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country but we've found nine NHS trusts have been found to have

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buildings with cladding similar to Grenfell Tower. We've been told

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schools will be asked to check any buildings four storeys or higher,

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that might not be the tests we've seen on high-rise buildings but they

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will have to look at what the cladding, if any, is made up of.

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There's confusion among local authorities about what they should

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be looking for because they say now they're not clear about what is safe

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and what is deemed unsafe. Simon, thanks very much. We will be

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there through the morning speaking to people who had to leave their

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homes because of what happened at the tower.

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Services providing support for people who are older

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and disabled face more cuts despite extra money being put

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That's according to research by the directors of adult social

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The report says more than two thirds of local authorities had to dip

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into their financial reserves last year to meet increasing demand.

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The government says it's provided more funding and will consult on how

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A major annual study of public opinion in England,

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Scotland and Wales suggests that almost half the population favour

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raising taxes to increase spending on public services.

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Nearly 3,000 people were interviewed for the British Social

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Attitudes Survey between last July and November.

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Researchers say there's evidence people are more Eurosceptic

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after the referendum than at any point in the last 33 years.

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One of the UK's rarest birds of prey is heading towards extinction

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There are just four breeding pairs of hen harriers left,

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and numbers are declining fast across the rest of the UK.

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Even in the bird's traditional stronghold of Scotland,

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The reasons include illegal persecution and destruction

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They are beautiful creatures, aren't they?

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If you are just waking up then you might want to wake up a little bit

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more for this. A pedestrian has had a miraculous

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escape after being struck by a bus The moment was captured on CCTV,

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as Ben Moore reports. might find these pictures

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upsetting. It is disturbing to watch but he

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survived and he's OK. A quiet morning in reading until

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this spectacular accident happened. The man on the receiving end of the

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bus, Simon Smith, should by rights be seriously injured or worse. So

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it's nothing short of astonishing when he calmly gets up and walks

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into a nearby bar. Simon Khan to talk to the BBC for legal reasons

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but his friends here have been in touch. We call called Simon a few

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hours after the day of the accident and yeah, he was in a lot of pain.

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He was still in shock basically, he couldn't believe what happened. I

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can't believe Simon got up, dusted himself off and walked away from it.

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It's a miracle he is alive. The scars the bus left as it hit this

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wall coming to a stop are there for all to see. Many here think it

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careered around the corner because of a mechanical failure, but that's

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now the subject of an ongoing investigation. Reading buses says it

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is shocked by the incident and sends it regrets to Simon. It's sharing

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the bus's on-board CCTV with police. As you might expect this footage has

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now gone viral. The main comment, most people admire how Simon just

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kept calm and carried on. It is terrifying to watch, isn't it,

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and yet he was all right and he walked away from it. Shall we show

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you again? Walking along the street, bus comes around the corner... I'm

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not going to make sound effects. He gets hit so hard, so many things

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could have gone so wrong with that and for him to walk away is

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incredible. It still has to hurt, though, hasn't it? Good morning!

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Sorry, I can't bring you good news either to calm everything down. In a

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world that is constantly changing, some things remain the same. Do you

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know what Dan is talking about? Death, taxes and penalty shootouts.

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And England losing to Germany in a semi-final on penalties. It was so

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disappointing last night, such high hopes for our England under the team

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but when you compare the set-ups, the England and German set-ups,

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we've talked about the youth teams and the young players coming through

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the England setup and Saint Georges Park and how successful it is, it is

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progress but an interesting stat, of the team playing for England, there

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were 200 Premier League appearances within that team, the German team,

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1100, more than 1000 Bundesliga appearances. Experience. They play

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more. But also they were beaten by a better team. Germany deserved to go

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through. Yes, and the Germans were resilient and confident and have a

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swagger about them! It was the Germans, in the semis,

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on penalties, again. It finished 2-2 after extra time

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and Nathan Redmond's miss ended the England under-21s' run

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in the European Championship the England under-21s' run in

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the European Championship in Poland. Germany will play

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Spain in the final. A plan for England to play

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a friendly in Thailand to win backing for their 2018

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World Cup it was a form of bribery, according

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to a former FA Chairman. It's criticised in Fifa's

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investigation into alleged corruption into the bidding process

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for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups. England's cricketers recovered

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from their opening loss They thrashed Pakistan in Leicester

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with a record-breaking total, And Novak Djokovic will be

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hoping for some sunshine today as he gets

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ready for Wimbledon. He managed only one game

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of his match in Eastbourne yesterday It's a part of his buildup, he

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decided to go to Eastbourne because he needed to work on his grasscourt

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game and then low and behold, the weather got in his way! It might

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help him for Wimbledon, both! Somebody else would know better than

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that. If he gets it back together he is formidable, once it clicks. But

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if. It's interesting he has chosen Andre Agassi to work with because

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he's a man that got it back together again! The rebuild! The weather is

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really looking miserable, Carol? I trying to put a positive spin on

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things because a lot of us need and want the rain. I've been speaking to

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farmers who have been crying out for it. You won't be disappointed. We

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saw a lot of it yesterday in parts of the UK. This morning waking up to

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some surface spray on the roads. So if you are travelling take extra

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care. You can see the amount of rain we have had through the night. Some

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of that has been torrential. Even a couple of inches in a short amount

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of time. This morning it still is reining in the south-west and

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through parts of Wales, the Midlands, at the Lincolnshire, where

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it is still heavy. At the start of the day as well. These are the

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temperatures we are looking at at eight a.m.. Not far from this at the

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moment. In the northern England and Northern Ireland, a lot of cloud.

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Some of it coming into the east of Northern Ireland. For Scotland a lot

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of cloud around, but for Scotland today you will see the best of the

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Web. We will see some brighter skies coming along. Through the day we

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have an onshore flow down the east coast, so it will be quite windy at

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times. Locally we will have gales and that close inland, making it

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feel cold, combined with the rain. There will be sent dry interludes in

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the south-east. As temperatures rise we could get some thundery

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downpours. Northern Ireland is trying. 16 in Belfast, in Aberdeen

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highs of about 13. Through this evening and overnight we continue

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with the rain. You can see it around this low pressure. Still quite windy

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as well. There will be dry interludes. Still dry in Scotland,

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with the odd shower. Not a cold night. These are the values you can

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expect in towns and cities. Tomorrow we start with a rain. Tomorrow it is

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edging further north. Although it will be wet, the area will just be

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wet, except for the south-west. Scotland, the far north of northern

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England and Northern Ireland. We hang on to the rain in the south.

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Still mighty, up to 20. As we push further north under the rain we have

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about 12 - 15. Into Friday the low pressure is still very much driving

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the weather, but you can see how it starts to curl around and it is

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sinking south. A squeeze on Isa buyers indicating it will be windy

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in the east and the west. Here is the band of rain. It will ease in

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parts of Wales and England, as it sinks towards the south-east. Not

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getting there until much later in the day. 22 in London, 19 in Cardiff

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and kind in Scotland and Northern Ireland another reversal of

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fortunes. The drier and brighter day. This weekend drier and brighter

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sums it up. It won't be bone dry, but not as wet as today.

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That's good news. Thank you! She always sprinkle is a little bit

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of positivity! Ben's joined us to have a look at the papers.

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Would you like to kick things off? Thank you so much! The Daily

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Telegraph talks about banks for getting lessons of the past,

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apparently risking a new financial crisis by allowing a sharp increase

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in car loans, credit card debts and that according to the governor of

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the Bank of England, warning yesterday.

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The front page of the Times. Top teams split over Brexit. And that's

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Miranda Kerr on the front. ?6 million of Jules handed to US

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investigators, who suspect there may have been bought with stolen money.

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The Guardian looks at those pictures from Eastbourne. Their main story is

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about social mobility policies. They say failing to reduce inequalities

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between the rich and poor. That's according to a report by the social

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mobility commission. The Mirror, a double blow for

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pensions. Women and younger workers face crisis in their retirement. And

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one of the stars of Poldark saying she will stay a fiery redhead for

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good. And the latest on the decision, the

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final heartbreak. Devastation as the European court refuses to save their

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sick child. I want to pick up on that story you

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mentioned. As I delve inside the Telegraph. You touched on it, that

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issue of car loans. In the same way that the housing crisis all unfolded

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because people couldn't pay their mortgages, there's a real and on

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many experts and the Bank of England about whether we are weaned too much

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and whether if there is a rising interest rates people won't be able

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to pay those car loans back, leading to a lot of second-hand cars on the

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market. And it all starts to unravel. What the Bank of England

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has told the banks is they have to put more money aside to cover any

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bad loans. I just want to mention this story we touched on yesterday,

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this is staggering fine for Google. 2.4 billion euros, for overly

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promoting its own shopping services over those of its rivals. Google

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says it has to change. We spoke a moment ago about the

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England Under-21 is and teams and how you compare them. I want to talk

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about one particular team this morning, the All Blacks. There is a

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brilliant piece in the Times this morning about the ethos, the

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heritage. We talk about the All Blacks as being one of the greatest

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teams ever. They are not perfect, but they have something like a 77%

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win rate since 1973. They talk about the humility, from senior to June

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you. They do it thing at the end of training where everybody tidies

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their own kit, everybody carries there own, they don't walk around

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with headphones on, the eat together and talk and bring their families

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into the team environment. What's it called? Sweeping the shed. Whoever

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you are, however brilliant, you take your turn at sweeping the shed after

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training. I think we should do the equivalent after every show, tidy

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the sofa. I think we should, it is one of my

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pet hates! I also offered to bring in my own

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equipment. I don't want to cause any great

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scare, but a fishing expert is saying that a great white shark has

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been seen hunting repeatedly off Hampshire and warns holidaymakers to

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be on their guard. Just a warning. Has Jaws arrived on British shores?

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We hope not! Just to say, sharks are very important.

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A life lesson for us all, thank you very much.

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First introduced as a way of combating crime, the power

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to stop-and-search members of the public is one of the most

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contentious aspects of British policing.

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In England and Wales, the use of stop-and-search has more

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than halved in the past five years, but one of England's most senior

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police officers says that's led to a rise in knife crime.

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Breakfast's Tim Muffett has been speaking to some of those affected.

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Everytime I go down, people are walking past and it is just a normal

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day, but that's where my life ended, where his life ended. He was at

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college, studying law... Just so horrible. On the same street in

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Leicester where Amy's son Tyler was stabbed to death in 2015, Sean was

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attacked one month before. They stabbed me once in my back, and if I

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didn't survive this could be my mum sitting here feeling exactly that.

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They both believed jail sentences for knife possession should be

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longer and that police should be stopping and searching more people,

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more often. If the stop-and-search was more present, then I believe my

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son would still be here today. Dairy angry. You can see it in my eyes.

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This has got to stop. This knife thing has got to stop. Across

:24:01.:24:05.

England and Wales, police are stopping and searching far fewer

:24:06.:24:08.

people than they used to. In 2011 there were more than 100,000 stop

:24:09.:24:14.

and searches, according to the most recent Home Office figures that

:24:15.:24:19.

number has now dropped by 65%. Those figures relate to searches for

:24:20.:24:23.

offensive weapons. Since 2011 overall knife crime has fallen, but

:24:24.:24:28.

in the past two years it has gone up by almost 13%. Stop-and-search

:24:29.:24:33.

legally done is absolutely vital part of our armoury. So we should be

:24:34.:24:39.

doing more of it. Like all police chiefs, Mike Barton was told in 2014

:24:40.:24:44.

by the Home Office that stop-and-search needed reform. It

:24:45.:24:47.

should be intelligence led, more effectively targeted. You think

:24:48.:24:51.

there's a link between national decrease in and search and the

:24:52.:24:55.

recent increase in knife crime? We have not done any hard science to

:24:56.:25:01.

say that there is a direct link, however, we are all bright people

:25:02.:25:05.

and we can all work it out and you've got to say that it's a

:25:06.:25:10.

reasonable hypothesis. These two are 16. They are members of Break the

:25:11.:25:16.

Chain, a London-based group of volunteers. Carrying a knife is

:25:17.:25:20.

normalised, like wearing socks. How do you feel about carrying a knife?

:25:21.:25:24.

They believe talking to people is the best way to dissuade them from

:25:25.:25:29.

carrying knives. Cairo has himself been stopped and searched. He says

:25:30.:25:36.

the police handled it badly. I felt embarrassed. When I asked them why I

:25:37.:25:41.

was searched they looked nervous. Underused. I've never been in

:25:42.:25:46.

trouble with the police. If you drive past and stare at me I'm going

:25:47.:25:49.

to be nervous. Stop-and-search needs to be dealt with better. West

:25:50.:25:56.

Midlands Police training centre and a stop-and-search exercise for

:25:57.:26:00.

officers. This force believes fewer searches can be just as effective.

:26:01.:26:05.

It isn't about numbers. Since 2011- 2012 we have reduced the amount of

:26:06.:26:09.

stop and searches we conduct, but the arrest rate from that remains

:26:10.:26:14.

exactly the same, so it would appear now that we are targeting the right

:26:15.:26:19.

people. What grounds have you got the search? The Home Office says it

:26:20.:26:23.

supports stop-and-search when carried out properly and that there

:26:24.:26:27.

is no proven link between a number of searches and levels of knife

:26:28.:26:30.

crime. But as a police tactic, it remains controversial.

:26:31.:26:34.

Later we'll be speaking to a member of the race equality organisation,

:26:35.:26:37.

the Runnymede Trust, looking at the issue of racial

:26:38.:26:39.

Still to come this morning: Have you ever heard of Man versus Fat?

:26:40.:26:54.

It's a football league for obese men.

:26:55.:26:59.

Kat's at the Soccer in the City Stadium in Manchester for us.

:27:00.:27:02.

Good morning! Good morning. Yes, forget your bikini diet and your

:27:03.:27:12.

pure juice detox, this is how these guys lose weight. I am here to play

:27:13.:27:15.

a early-morning football. These guys have tried everything to lose

:27:16.:27:19.

weight, but it turns out team work is the way to do it. There are teams

:27:20.:27:24.

from Stoke, Birmingham and Manchester and in a little while and

:27:25.:27:28.

will speak to some of these people about how they have gone about

:27:29.:27:32.

losing a combined total of 30 tons in weight. That's coming up later.

:27:33.:27:33.

Now the news, travel and weather where you are.

:27:34.:30:53.

Plenty more on our website at the usual address.

:30:54.:30:57.

Hello, this is Breakfast, with Dan Walker and Louise Minchin.

:30:58.:31:06.

With confusion over who's looking after the displaced residents

:31:07.:31:14.

of Grenfell Tower, we'll ask a community spokesperson

:31:15.:31:16.

about what life is like two weeks on from the fire.

:31:17.:31:19.

Support is rising for higher taxes to fund public

:31:20.:31:23.

services, according to the latest British Social Attitudes report.

:31:24.:31:25.

And Matt Allwright's made his career cracking down

:31:26.:31:30.

now he's back with a new series of Watchdog.

:31:31.:31:37.

He'll join us later with a new addition to his team,

:31:38.:31:40.

Leather heard of her! Yes you have! -- never heard of her!

:31:41.:31:48.

But now a summary of this morning's main news.

:31:49.:31:52.

A decision on whether people and organisations will face criminal

:31:53.:31:55.

disaster will be announced this morning.

:31:56.:31:58.

The Crown Prosecution Service will reveal its intentions

:31:59.:32:00.

at a meeting with victims' relatives this morning.

:32:01.:32:02.

96 Liverpool fans died when the terraces at the Sheffield

:32:03.:32:05.

ground became overcrowded during the 1989 FA Cup semi final.

:32:06.:32:12.

Stephen Kelly's brother, Michael, died in the disaster.

:32:13.:32:15.

It's paramount in this whole case to give the families respite

:32:16.:32:19.

and the survivors of Hillsborough and you know, to truly let

:32:20.:32:22.

News on that throughout the day for you across the BBC.

:32:23.:32:30.

Two weeks on from the Grenfell Tower fire, Theresa May has called

:32:31.:32:33.

for a major national investigation into the use of potentially

:32:34.:32:36.

flammable cladding on high rise buildings.

:32:37.:32:37.

Every one of the samples tested from 95 buildings across England

:32:38.:32:41.

Last night the government confirmed all school buildings over four

:32:42.:32:45.

storeys tall are having their external cladding analysed

:32:46.:32:47.

Labour says it will challenge MPs today to oppose further austerity.

:32:48.:32:55.

The party will call for more spending on the police and fire

:32:56.:32:59.

services as an amendment to the Queen's Speech,

:33:00.:33:01.

as well as an end to the 1% cap on public sector pay rises.

:33:02.:33:05.

The Conservatives say only they will deliver the economy needed

:33:06.:33:08.

to properly fund the emergency services.

:33:09.:33:16.

Computer systems around the world have been hit by a major

:33:17.:33:19.

cyber-attack affecting banks, retailers, energy firms

:33:20.:33:21.

The companies have been told their computers will remain

:33:22.:33:24.

Experts who have examined the code say it's more sophisticated

:33:25.:33:28.

than the virus used in a global attack last month, which badly hit

:33:29.:33:32.

Services providing support for people who are older

:33:33.:33:38.

and disabled face more cuts, despite extra money being put

:33:39.:33:41.

That's according to research by the directors of adult social

:33:42.:33:44.

The report says more than two thirds of local authorities had to dip

:33:45.:33:49.

into their financial reserves last year to meet increasing demand.

:33:50.:33:52.

The government says it's provided more funding and will consult on how

:33:53.:33:55.

One of the UK's rarest birds of prey is heading towards extinction

:33:56.:34:04.

There are just four breeding pairs of hen harriers left,

:34:05.:34:08.

and numbers are declining fast across the rest of the UK.

:34:09.:34:11.

Even in the bird's traditional stronghold of Scotland,

:34:12.:34:13.

The reasons include illegal persecution and destruction

:34:14.:34:19.

You may have heard the phrase "til the cows home."

:34:20.:34:40.

Well, it happened to five-year-old Bella from Cheshire

:34:41.:34:42.

when she played her ukulele to a herd of cows in Llandudno.

:34:43.:34:48.

Here she is with just a few of the herd watching,

:34:49.:34:54.

and before too long, she was joined by many more

:34:55.:34:57.

Like a junior George Formby. Like the Pied Piper of cows. The usual

:34:58.:35:08.

ukelele technique as well when it seems to be working! Look at that!

:35:09.:35:15.

Who knew the cows love a ukelele? Now I do! I might go and try that

:35:16.:35:22.

myself. Have you got one? Know, I've got a guitar, will that work the

:35:23.:35:26.

same? You've got to play it like Bella is playing, side on, a bit of

:35:27.:35:32.

that. Excellent. I like the way she dressed as Little Red Book had. She

:35:33.:35:38.

said I can't be here all my, mummy! -- Little red Riding Hood. Gorgeous,

:35:39.:35:44.

beautiful! I hope you recorded that at home everybody! I'm sure we will

:35:45.:35:51.

replay it! I'm sure. Talking about replaying, a familiar story in the

:35:52.:35:55.

football, an England team losing to Germany in the semifinals on

:35:56.:36:06.

penalties. They had been practising every day this month, not making a

:36:07.:36:11.

big deal about it. The Germans say they didn't do any practice. That's

:36:12.:36:16.

annoying, isn't it? I don't know if it's true, looking at them I think

:36:17.:36:21.

they probably had. Did you see the piece of paper in the German

:36:22.:36:25.

keeper's sock? He knew which way each one was going to go. Based on

:36:26.:36:30.

what they have done in the past? Yes. Research is key. Your sock as

:36:31.:36:36.

well, that's what I like. Just so happens! Good morning, everyone!

:36:37.:36:39.

Once again, England have lost the semi-final of a football

:36:40.:36:42.

This time it was the Under 21s European Championship,

:36:43.:36:46.

the lead through Chelsea's Tammy Abraham.

:36:47.:36:49.

But the Germans levelled and after extra time,

:36:50.:36:51.

Nathan Redmond penalty was saved and the side followed the fate

:36:52.:36:54.

of the senior teams in 1990 and 1996.

:36:55.:37:02.

We've been practising for weeks but in the end of the two players you

:37:03.:37:08.

would put props on to score every time, the goalkeeper makes a great

:37:09.:37:11.

save so we'll have to take that. It's been a real team effort and I

:37:12.:37:16.

think we can be pleased with a lot of things we've done. And in the end

:37:17.:37:20.

we've lost on a penalty shootout and next time we need to be better for

:37:21.:37:22.

it. Plenty of other football to look

:37:23.:37:22.

forward to! It's only 25 days since Real Madrid

:37:23.:37:25.

won the Champions League but this season's competition

:37:26.:37:28.

is already under way! Welsh champions The New Saints lost

:37:29.:37:30.

2-1 to Europa FC of Gibraltar Scott Quigley got them back

:37:31.:37:33.

into the game with this brilliant effort but they conceded

:37:34.:37:38.

a second goal. Fifa officials investigating alleged

:37:39.:37:40.

corruption were told plans for England to play a friendly

:37:41.:37:44.

in Thailand to win backing for their own World Cup bid

:37:45.:37:47.

were a form of bribery. The former FA Chairman

:37:48.:37:49.

Geoff Thompson made the admission when interviewed

:37:50.:37:51.

during a Fifa enquiry into the bidding process

:37:52.:37:54.

for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments, England's women have

:37:55.:37:56.

got their cricket World Cup campaign back on track after a 107-run

:37:57.:38:02.

victory in a rain-affected match Natalie Sciver and captain

:38:03.:38:05.

Heather Knight both hit their first one-day international centuries

:38:06.:38:08.

as the hosts reached a record Pakistan were well behind

:38:09.:38:11.

in their chase when rain saw It was exciting to watch, watching

:38:12.:38:26.

her at the other end of striking it like that and it's the type of

:38:27.:38:30.

cricket we want to play, exciting to show what we can do. That can do

:38:31.:38:35.

that and to see her do that is obviously brilliant from our

:38:36.:38:39.

perspective but it's a great performance obviously but there's a

:38:40.:38:42.

lot more cricket to be played in this tournament.

:38:43.:38:42.

Novak Djokovic had entered the Aegon International

:38:43.:38:44.

in Eastbourne with hopes of gaining some much-needed grass court

:38:45.:38:47.

but spent a lot of yesterday twiddling his thumbs.

:38:48.:38:51.

The former world number one had taken the first game

:38:52.:38:54.

against Canada's Vasek Pospisil when the rains came

:38:55.:38:56.

While, the current world number one Andy Murray pulled out

:38:57.:39:03.

of an exhibition match at the Hurlingham Club in London,

:39:04.:39:06.

He is still expected to play at the Club on Friday before

:39:07.:39:11.

beginning the defence of his Wimbledon title

:39:12.:39:13.

on Centre Court on Monday afternoon.

:39:14.:39:16.

I know he wanted to play that game but his team decided it was better

:39:17.:39:23.

to get an extra day's rest, he's got a busy fortnight coming up. You're

:39:24.:39:27.

there next week? Next week and the week after we will be there alive.

:39:28.:39:35.

And Carol? Yes, and Carol. Great, see you later on this morning.

:39:36.:39:37.

Today marks two weeks since the fire at Grenfell Tower in west London.

:39:38.:39:40.

At least 79 people are known to have died in the blaze,

:39:41.:39:43.

A lot has happened in the last 14 days, with scenes of anger

:39:44.:39:48.

and despair but also hope, resilience and a fearsome community

:39:49.:39:51.

Holly Hamilton looks at what we know so far.

:39:52.:39:59.

At its height, 40 fire engines and more than 200 firefighters battled

:40:00.:40:07.

the blaze. Dozens were rescued but despite their efforts, 79 people are

:40:08.:40:11.

now known to have died. The fire started in a fridge freezer but what

:40:12.:40:15.

caused it to spread so quickly will be key to the investigation. The

:40:16.:40:19.

focus so far has been on the cladding. Samples from 95 towers in

:40:20.:40:25.

32 local authority areas in England have all failed by a safety tests.

:40:26.:40:29.

The government was criticised for its slow response to the tragedy,

:40:30.:40:35.

but has since announced a full public enquiry, ?5 million fund for

:40:36.:40:39.

the victims and a promise to rehouse all those affected in the local

:40:40.:40:44.

area. The tragedy has evoked a huge outpouring of support. Millions of

:40:45.:40:48.

pounds have been donated as well as clothing, food and other essentials.

:40:49.:40:50.

Simon Jones is in west London for us this morning.

:40:51.:40:53.

Good morning to you once again, Simon. Can I start by asking about

:40:54.:41:00.

this countrywide investigation into high-rise cladding. Where are we

:41:01.:41:09.

with that at the moment? So far 95 high-rise buildings from 32

:41:10.:41:13.

different local authorities have had their cladding tested and there's

:41:14.:41:19.

been a 100% failure rate. Local authorities are being told to

:41:20.:41:22.

prioritise the buildings they have most concerned about but it appears

:41:23.:41:27.

the tests are extremely stringent, perhaps more strong than the tests

:41:28.:41:30.

that were taking place before the cladding was put on the buildings.

:41:31.:41:36.

It's not just high-rises that are being tested, we're also told nine

:41:37.:41:42.

NHS trusts have buildings that have similar cladding to Grenfell Tower,

:41:43.:41:46.

they will need to be tested. Schools are being told to check any

:41:47.:41:50.

buildings Oar storeys or taller, perhaps not for the testing but look

:41:51.:41:55.

at what the cladding is made of to see if there's any concerns about

:41:56.:42:00.

bad gash four. What about the residents, we will be speaking to

:42:01.:42:04.

them live later on, but two weeks after the terrible incidents, what

:42:05.:42:08.

is the general feeling among residents? -- four. I think the mood

:42:09.:42:14.

has changed. I spent a lot of time there over the last couple of weeks.

:42:15.:42:19.

Initially it was shock, then Greece, then anger and I think now once

:42:20.:42:24.

again what we're hearing is that residents want to get their voices

:42:25.:42:30.

heard -- then grief. We got the nearby Notting Hill Methodist church

:42:31.:42:34.

and this has become a focus for some of the outpouring of grief, you've

:42:35.:42:38.

got flowers and posters showing pictures of the many now feared

:42:39.:42:42.

dead. Lots of people in the local community got together and they've

:42:43.:42:45.

written an open letter saying they want to be an active part of the

:42:46.:42:49.

public enquiry, they don't want to be brushed aside. What they want to

:42:50.:42:54.

make sure it is their voices are heard and on top of this they're

:42:55.:42:57.

demanding anyone found to be responsible for what happened in the

:42:58.:43:02.

tower, and those that didn't deal with the aftermath very well, the

:43:03.:43:06.

local authorities, should be brought to justice. So a very strong feeling

:43:07.:43:11.

here two weeks on, perhaps a moment of reflection but people here saying

:43:12.:43:15.

they're determined their voices are heard. Simon, thank you for that

:43:16.:43:20.

this morning. Simon Jones, nearby to Grenfell Tower. Wheel bespeak into a

:43:21.:43:24.

number of residents later in the programme to get more information

:43:25.:43:28.

about how the feeling has changed in the two weeks -- we'll be speaking

:43:29.:43:35.

to. Will have people who were in the tower and those who had friends

:43:36.:43:40.

there. -- we'll have. And all so we'll get something from those

:43:41.:43:44.

trying to improve safety at the building. If you've looked out of

:43:45.:43:47.

the building chances are it's not looking great. Not the best but

:43:48.:43:51.

Carol is here with a positive spin. Rain is crucial, rain is your

:43:52.:43:53.

friend? Lots of people are crying out for

:43:54.:44:02.

rain and we've seen a lot of rain tonight and it is raining heavily in

:44:03.:44:05.

some parts of England and Wales in particular. If you are travelling,

:44:06.:44:10.

expect a lot of surface water and spray on the roads. On the radar

:44:11.:44:14.

picture you can see the extent of the rainfall. At the moment it is

:44:15.:44:18.

heaviest in parts of east Anglia and Lincolnshire, but it is rotating

:44:19.:44:22.

around low pressure, succumbing in across eastern parts of England,

:44:23.:44:26.

Wales and down into the south-west. Even across central parts of

:44:27.:44:30.

southern England with got the rain. In between there's a lot of cloud

:44:31.:44:34.

and it is quite muggy start to the day again. These are the

:44:35.:44:37.

temperatures you can expect. Not far off now. In northern England again a

:44:38.:44:43.

lot of cloud and a couple of showers. Some of the rain edging

:44:44.:44:46.

into Northern Ireland. For Scotland you will have the driest weather

:44:47.:44:50.

today. That doesn't mean you have wall-to-wall blue skies. There will

:44:51.:44:54.

be a lot of cloud, with brighter breaks, and drizzly bits and pieces.

:44:55.:44:58.

The other thing is down the east coast we have an onshore wind, so

:44:59.:45:02.

things will feel cold, especially if you have the rain. The wind just

:45:03.:45:08.

blowing inland. Across some parts with exposure there will be gales.

:45:09.:45:12.

The rain will advance northwards through the day. We will have some

:45:13.:45:17.

bright interludes develop. As temperatures rise that could spark

:45:18.:45:22.

thundery downpours. Northern Ireland drying off as the rain pushes away.

:45:23.:45:26.

Scotland remaining largely dry through the afternoon. Through this

:45:27.:45:29.

evening and overnight still the wind will be a feature, pushing down

:45:30.:45:35.

through the Irish Sea and the English Channel. You can see how the

:45:36.:45:39.

rain migrates northwards, getting across northern England, in true

:45:40.:45:43.

Scotland and back into Northern Ireland, curling across southern

:45:44.:45:47.

areas as well. Temperature wise, 11- 12. Tomorrow a game we have a bit of

:45:48.:45:55.

a change. The difference pushing up the Scotland at Northern Ireland.

:45:56.:45:59.

Trifle England and Wales, except for in the south-west, where we have

:46:00.:46:04.

that rain. In any sunshine we could have up to 20 Celsius as we move

:46:05.:46:08.

further north. It will feel cooler in the rain, 12- 15. On the

:46:09.:46:15.

coastline it will feel colder still. As we had from Thursday into Friday

:46:16.:46:19.

the low pressure is still very much driving the weather and is with us

:46:20.:46:23.

for much of the week, but you can see that it starts to swing round

:46:24.:46:27.

and will then pull back. As it does so it is dragging the weather front

:46:28.:46:31.

with it, so the rain around the weather front will start to pull

:46:32.:46:34.

back towards the south-east. Behind it brighter skies. The wind changes

:46:35.:46:38.

to a cooler direction and we have high as in London of 22 Celsius.

:46:39.:46:46.

Thank you. We shall see you throughout the morning.

:46:47.:46:48.

Carol finding optimism in the rain. In a few minutes, the financial

:46:49.:46:52.

regulator is set to announce a crackdown on the hidden fees

:46:53.:46:55.

charged on our pensions. Open question. What's going on?

:46:56.:47:04.

Explain! It's a bit complicated, but I will

:47:05.:47:09.

do my best. This is scrutiny for people who manage our money. Our

:47:10.:47:13.

investments, pensions, all of that. When we take out a pension they

:47:14.:47:17.

invest it in the stock market and we hope they will give us a return at

:47:18.:47:21.

will fund our retirement. The market is worth about ?7 trillion, is worth

:47:22.:47:26.

thinking about. A lot of money. That's why the regulator is getting

:47:27.:47:29.

involved and they say it involves all sorts of things, where it's a

:47:30.:47:37.

personal or work pension. Maybe it is some of the people who have a

:47:38.:47:40.

defined contribution pension scheme. You put your money in, every month,

:47:41.:47:44.

that's invested in the stock market and you hope you get a bigger

:47:45.:47:48.

return. The regulator says it is vital but there's not much scrutiny

:47:49.:47:54.

of the charges and fees imposed on these and where you make an

:47:55.:47:57.

investment it could cost you thousands of pounds in costs and

:47:58.:48:02.

that's really important. They say it is about improving transparency. Let

:48:03.:48:05.

me talk you through some of the numbers. It affects three quarters

:48:06.:48:09.

of all UK households that have a pension. And as more and more of us

:48:10.:48:14.

get involved in where that money is going, it is very crucial that we

:48:15.:48:19.

keep a night on how the money is being invested. The Financial

:48:20.:48:22.

Conduct Authority wants better scrutiny of those charges and fees

:48:23.:48:25.

and says we simply aren't getting value for money, we don't really

:48:26.:48:30.

have any idea of where the money is being invested and what these we are

:48:31.:48:33.

asked to pay on it. This is a staggering statistic. The research

:48:34.:48:40.

suggests you could be ?14 and ?400 worse off from making a single bad

:48:41.:48:43.

decision about where your money is put and that I think is a staggering

:48:44.:48:47.

amount of money and that's what the originator wants to come down on.

:48:48.:48:55.

They are big decisions. How can you make them and know what will happen?

:48:56.:49:01.

At the moment there's no way of getting clarity on the transparency.

:49:02.:49:05.

It is interesting to raise the ?400 issue. Say someone said to you, on

:49:06.:49:09.

your fund we will charge you a quarter of a percent every year, all

:49:10.:49:14.

we can charge you 1% every year and a little bit more for a transaction.

:49:15.:49:17.

It doesn't seem like a big difference. .75% of the difference,

:49:18.:49:22.

but it could equate to ?14,000 worse off over the 20 years that your

:49:23.:49:28.

pension is invested, or it is very clear that you have to look at the

:49:29.:49:32.

small print and the regulator says it has to be very clear. They will

:49:33.:49:36.

clamp down on this old boys club, we all of the money is sloshing around,

:49:37.:49:39.

they are charging fees without anyone giving it any real scrutiny.

:49:40.:49:43.

So they will make it transparent and clear and people can make the

:49:44.:49:44.

decisions. Thank you.

:49:45.:49:47.

You know when you throw a trillion around? By Matt Stieger said

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something I always remembered. -- maths teacher. 1,000,000,000th

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second is 12 days, a billion seconds is 32 years and 1 trillion seconds

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is about 31,000 years. I've never heard of it like that.

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Then you get the scale of how much bigger they are.

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Thank you. By Matt Stieger! -- maths teacher.

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If you're a man who's a bit on the larger side,

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you might have tried a few diets and weight loss groups,

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which end up being targeted at women.

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But now a football league, specifically for overweight men has

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Kat Downes is pitch side in Manchester for us this morning.

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It has an interesting name as well. Yes, it is called Man V Fat. If you

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want to lose weight you might go to the gym, joined join a zumba class.

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For these people none of that worked. What has worked is playing

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football with a group of guys. You might be a bit overweight and you

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want to shed the pounds. It works if you do it together. In a minute I

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will talk to some of these super slimmers and find out more about

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their stories. Here is a quick look at how it works.

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This is my first season and I've lost 3.5 stone. I am enjoying life

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better. I feel I am getting more out of it. Hang on! There you go. IT HAS

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MADE ME A LOT FITTER. And a lot thinner. I am still rubbish at

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football! Rubbish or the next Reynaldo! That doesn't matter here.

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What counts is shedding the stones. As well as goals on the pitch...

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Teams get bonus calls for the amount of weight they lose together. I

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really struggled to lose weight through the years, joined a lot of

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the commercial weight loss organisations and obviously so many

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of the people voted those are women and it just felt it wasn't quite

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right for me. There was a lot of talk about fitting into a bikini and

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so really it was about finding something that was suitable for men,

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something that would really empower them, something that would help them

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to lose weight and that's where Man V Fat football came from. It works,

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thanks to teamwork. When we first started we had a tiny room and it

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ended up with the whole team cramming into this tiny rooms,

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because they were supporting each other and cheering each other on and

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wanting each other to do well. This league in Manchester isn't the only

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one. There are 24 a the country. That's 3000 men getting out, playing

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football and losing weight and in around 1.5 years they've lost a

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combined total of more than 30 times! -- 30 times. You've lost four

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kilos this week! Ross has lost 4.5 stone since January. Before this he

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found there was nothing accessible for guys like him who wanted to lose

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weight. You are looking at your men's fitness which is about a

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sixpack, getting your abs and work out and show your muscles. Those

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lads, we are nowhere near that. We need to lose weight confidently and

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if it is having a group of lads taking the Mickey out of you and

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doing it that way it's perfect, absolutely perfect. With the tons

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ticking away, it proves that whatever works for you is the best

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in the battle for the bulge. This leak has only been going for

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about a year and a half and these guys already have a lot of great

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stories about how much weight they have lost. I am going to talk to the

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founder. Banks are having us this morning and getting these guys out

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to play football. -- thanks for having us. We have pictures of how

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you looked before you lost weight, equals it was about your personal

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journey that led this, wasn't it? Exactly. When I was trying to lose

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weight myself I found all of the support groups and products were

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aimed exclusively at women and I wanted to find something that would

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actually support meant and provide accountability and support for

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normal guys around the country. How does it work? Your goals on the

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pitch are combined with weight loss. How does it work? Before each game

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the players weigh in and the weight loss goals they accrue during those

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weigh ins are added to the goals they score on the pitch and

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essentially that's how we create our tables. There are obviously leads

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across the country now for men who want to lose weight and who are

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looking for something that's a bit Morse eatable for them. It seems to

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be working brilliantly. And thanks to Karen, who is the dietician here.

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This isn't just about playing 30 minutes of football week, it is

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about making a life change? It is. Traditionally men's seed dieting as

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something women do. So obviously the increased physical exercise is

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important, but we have to underpin that with three regular meals,

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reducing snacking, those sorts of things and I am there to support

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those lifestyle changes. So this is a way for men to get into weight

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loss, not just losing weight by taking exercise, it is about making

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life changes and changing the way you live and eat and how you think

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as well. We just heard from Ross. Sorry to interrupt you, but a great

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story from you as well. What was it that prompted you to make the

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change? There were quite a few things. Health reasons, things like

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that. One of them, mainly, was around wanting to go out and do

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skydive and there are weight limits, about 13.5 stone. That's what I was

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aiming for. Stupidly my mum and my wife said that if I lost weight they

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would come with me. Now I am at 15 stone, so they are panicking, but

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I'm getting close to it now! So you only have half a stone to go before

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your wife and mother jump out of a plane with you? Yes, and I hope they

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remember it! I can't wait. Proof if it is needed that perhaps a

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competitive edge is just what you need to lose the weight. The stakes

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couldn't be higher. Congratulations on losing 4.5 stone? Since January

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the 20th, so just over five months. It turns out that

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teamwork is the key to shedding the pounds.

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Really quickly. If he does lose all of that weight, is he still allowed

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to play on the team? I think once you have lost the

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weight, do your team try to dump you? Because you get extra goals for

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losing the weight, so once you are skinny they say, hang on, you aren't

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scoring the goal is? One of our guys has dropped below

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the limit, but he can still play for us and get goals on the pitch. We

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want to break up the team! We're champions! Champions in weight

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loss and on the pitch. A combined victory.

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Good to hear. I was worried for him. An important

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question you were worried about. More on that later.

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Time now to get the news, travel and weather where you are.

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Hello, this is Breakfast, with Dan Walker and Louise Minchin.

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After a near 30-year battle, the families of those who died

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at Hillsborough will find out this morning whether anyone

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It follows two separate enquires into what happened on the day

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of the match and whether there was a cover-up afterwards.

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Good morning, it's Wednesday, 28th of June.

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Two weeks on from the Grenfell fire disaster and we learn what it's like

:01:14.:01:28.

for those who have left their homes. officers says that a reduction

:01:29.:01:30.

in stop-and-search has led Victims tell Breakfast

:01:31.:01:35.

more needs to be done. Are you paying thousands of pounds

:01:36.:01:38.

too much in hidden fees The regulator is to announce

:01:39.:01:50.

a crackdown on firms that manage our money but why

:01:51.:01:53.

are we still getting a raw deal? In sport...

:01:54.:02:00.

Not again. England lose to

:02:01.:02:02.

Germany on penalties. Nathan Redmond's miss means

:02:03.:02:04.

they fail to make the final of the Under-21 European

:02:05.:02:07.

Championship. I'm here playing some early morning

:02:08.:02:20.

football with these guys to find out how team work has helped these men

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and 3000 others like them around the country lose a combined total of 30

:02:26.:02:27.

tons in weight. For England, Wales and Northern

:02:28.:02:29.

Ireland some rain on the cards, some of it will be heavy

:02:30.:02:33.

but as temperatures rise The driest conditions today

:02:34.:02:36.

are likely to be in Scotland. The families of those who died

:02:37.:02:41.

at Hillsborough will find out later this morning whether anyone

:02:42.:02:52.

will face criminal charges. An inquest ruled last year

:02:53.:02:55.

that the 96 Liverpool fans who died at the stadium in Sheffield in 1989

:02:56.:02:58.

were unlawfully killed. Our North of England correspondent

:02:59.:03:01.

Judith Moritz reports. # Walk on, walk on,

:03:02.:03:07.

with hope in your heart...# It was a moment of history,

:03:08.:03:11.

the inquest's finding last year that 96 Liverpool

:03:12.:03:14.

fans were unlawfully For their families,

:03:15.:03:16.

it was justice, but their legal Steve Kelly lost his brother

:03:17.:03:25.

Michael in the disaster. He's spent the 28 years since then

:03:26.:03:29.

calling for those responsible There's got to be

:03:30.:03:32.

this accountability. It's paramount in this whole case

:03:33.:03:38.

to give the families respite and the survivors of Hillsborough

:03:39.:03:41.

and you know, to truly let The fans were killed

:03:42.:03:44.

when the terraces at the Sheffield ground became overcrowded

:03:45.:03:56.

during the 1989 FA Cup semifinal. Since 2012, there have been

:03:57.:03:59.

two criminal inquiries Operation Resolve investigated

:04:00.:04:01.

the day of the disaster. Offences considered include gross

:04:02.:04:05.

negligence manslaughter. One of those waiting

:04:06.:04:13.

to hear whether he'll face charges is former

:04:14.:04:16.

Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield,

:04:17.:04:18.

who was the South Yorkshire The police watchdog, the IPCC,

:04:19.:04:20.

investigated cover-up allegations, It considered offences including

:04:21.:04:24.

misconduct in a public office and perverting

:04:25.:04:32.

the course of justice. The former West Yorkshire chief

:04:33.:04:35.

constable, Sir Norman Bettison, has revealed that he's been treated

:04:36.:04:38.

as a suspect by the IPCC. It isn't known whether

:04:39.:04:42.

he wail face charges. Hundreds of investigators have been

:04:43.:04:46.

working from these offices for the last four years

:04:47.:04:48.

at a cost of ?100 million. There is an expectation that

:04:49.:04:51.

charges will be brought, after such a long wait

:04:52.:04:54.

and such large-scale effort. That decision will be

:04:55.:04:56.

announced to the families We'll have coverage of that across

:04:57.:05:05.

the BBC this morning. Two weeks on from the Grenfell Tower

:05:06.:05:15.

fire, Theresa May has called for a major national investigation

:05:16.:05:19.

into the use of cladding Every one of the samples tested

:05:20.:05:19.

from 95 buildings across England Our reporter Simon Jones is in west

:05:20.:05:24.

London for us this morning. You can see people have been laying

:05:25.:05:38.

tributes to the victims at this church. Good morning, Simon.

:05:39.:05:42.

Yesterday it was announced an independent panel has been assembled

:05:43.:05:45.

to advise on safety measures. What more can you tell us? Some

:05:46.:05:51.

controversy about that this morning, it is chaired by Sir Ken Knight, a

:05:52.:05:56.

former London fire commissioner, and in a previous investigation into a

:05:57.:06:00.

fire in Camberwell that killed six, he advised against the retrospective

:06:01.:06:05.

fitting of sprinklers in the high-rise buildings in all cases

:06:06.:06:10.

because he said sometimes it's not practical economically or it's not

:06:11.:06:16.

viable to do that. What we've got here, though, two weeks on our many

:06:17.:06:20.

questions still left unanswered, how many people died in the fire, why

:06:21.:06:25.

are so many buildings now failing the safety test? To give you a sense

:06:26.:06:30.

of where we are, this is the church that's become a site for many people

:06:31.:06:34.

to pay tributes, to bring flowers, posters of those who have lost their

:06:35.:06:39.

lives. Then it's very much in the shadow of Grenfell Tower. It's not

:06:40.:06:45.

just tower blocks causing concern. We've got nine NHS trusts who also

:06:46.:06:53.

have cladding similar to Grenfell Tower and that will be tested and

:06:54.:06:57.

schools are being told to check the cladding on buildings hire van four

:06:58.:07:03.

storeys to see what they are made of -- hire than.

:07:04.:07:09.

Local people want to be heard here. They want to make sure any failings

:07:10.:07:17.

during the aftermath should be brought to justice. We will be

:07:18.:07:23.

speaking to some of the residents later in the programme.

:07:24.:07:25.

Iain Watson joins us from Westminster.

:07:26.:07:29.

I know Labour is going to be talking about Grenfell Tower today and about

:07:30.:07:35.

funding for emergency services, what more can you tell us? That's right,

:07:36.:07:41.

I'm George Ezra will be accused of trying to politicise the tragedy at

:07:42.:07:45.

Grenfell Tower but his approach doesn't seem to be harming him in

:07:46.:07:49.

the opinion polls -- Jeremy Corbyn. He's called for more funding for the

:07:50.:07:53.

police and fire service since the tragedy took place and today he is

:07:54.:07:57.

trying to amend at the Queens speech, the government programme for

:07:58.:08:00.

the next two years, to try to guarantee the funding but he won't

:08:01.:08:04.

win because Theresa May now has the support of ten MPs from Northern

:08:05.:08:14.

Ireland, the DUM ps, so she can vote down his attempt but what he will

:08:15.:08:18.

try to do is win the odd and Andy Baris Conservative MPs at the same

:08:19.:08:22.

time -- DUP. Some conservatives who lost at the last election are saying

:08:23.:08:25.

on the doorsteps people felt public sector cuts had gone on for too

:08:26.:08:27.

long. -- DUP MPs --... The government will say if you want

:08:28.:08:43.

decent public services, you need a strong economy to deliver them and

:08:44.:08:46.

they say that something Labour simply can't do. Thank you very

:08:47.:08:48.

much. More from Westminster later. Sinn Fein has accused

:08:49.:08:51.

the Democratic Unionist Party of failing to give any ground

:08:52.:08:53.

in talks to restore devolved They say there had been no movement

:08:54.:08:56.

on the rights of Irish speakers But the DUP has insisted it has no

:08:57.:09:00.

red lines and accused Sinn Fein of being involved

:09:01.:09:05.

in a high-wire act. The deadline for reaching a deal

:09:06.:09:07.

is tomorrow afternoon. Services providing support

:09:08.:09:10.

for people who are older and disabled face more cuts,

:09:11.:09:12.

despite extra money being put That's according to research

:09:13.:09:15.

by the directors of adult social The report says more than two thirds

:09:16.:09:18.

of local authorities had to dip into their financial reserves last

:09:19.:09:23.

year to meet increasing demand. Our social affairs correspondent

:09:24.:09:26.

Allison Holt reports. One of the UK's rarest birds of prey

:09:27.:09:43.

is heading towards extinction There are just four breeding pairs

:09:44.:09:46.

of hen harriers left, and numbers are declining fast

:09:47.:09:50.

across the rest of the UK. Even in the bird's traditional

:09:51.:09:53.

stronghold of Scotland, The reasons include illegal

:09:54.:09:55.

persecution and destruction They are beautiful

:09:56.:09:58.

creatures, aren't they? You get a real sense there of how

:09:59.:10:15.

stunning they are. Want to watch these pictures closely. I still

:10:16.:10:16.

can't believe it! -- you want to. A pedestrian has had a miraculous

:10:17.:10:18.

escape after being struck by a bus When we showed this personally

:10:19.:10:30.

someone said they spilt their cereal over their dog so what this

:10:31.:10:32.

carefully! We must warn you that some people

:10:33.:10:33.

might find these pictures It is disturbing to watch

:10:34.:10:36.

but he survived and he's OK. A quiet morning in Reading until

:10:37.:10:40.

this spectacular accident happened. The man on the receiving end

:10:41.:10:42.

of the bus, Simon Smith, should by rights be

:10:43.:10:45.

seriously injured or worse. So it's nothing short of astonishing

:10:46.:10:48.

when he calmly gets up and walks Simon can't to talk to the BBC

:10:49.:10:51.

for legal reasons but his friends We called Simon a few hours

:10:52.:10:56.

after the day of the accident He was still in shock basically,

:10:57.:11:01.

he couldn't believe what happened. I just can't believe Simon got up,

:11:02.:11:06.

dusted himself off and walked The scars the bus left as it hit

:11:07.:11:10.

this wall coming to a stop Many here think that it

:11:11.:11:26.

careered around the corner because of a mechanical failure,

:11:27.:11:33.

but that's now the subject Reading Buses says it's

:11:34.:11:36.

shocked by the incident It's sharing the bus's

:11:37.:11:42.

on-board CCTV with police. As you might expect this

:11:43.:11:45.

footage has now gone viral. The main comment, most people admire

:11:46.:11:48.

the way Simon just kept calm Then he gets up and he walks into

:11:49.:12:04.

the nearest building, which happened to be a pub. Good on him! He's OK,

:12:05.:12:10.

the best news to come out of that but it is actually quite terrifying

:12:11.:12:12.

to watch! For the second time in less than two

:12:13.:12:13.

months, a computer virus is sweeping A large-scale cyber attack that

:12:14.:12:17.

started in Ukraine has been taking A British advertising agency

:12:18.:12:21.

is among the companies that Yesterday's cyber attack seems to be

:12:22.:12:24.

similar to the one that struck Our security correspondent

:12:25.:12:28.

Gordon Corera has more. During the day it became clear that

:12:29.:12:39.

the problem was not contained in Ukraine but was spreading. Reports

:12:40.:12:43.

came in of companies affected from Russia, across Europe to the UK and

:12:44.:12:50.

also the US. Those affected included oil producers, shipping and

:12:51.:12:52.

pharmaceutical companies and a London based advertising group. They

:12:53.:12:57.

were all faced with a screen like this, telling them they've been

:12:58.:13:00.

locked out of their computer and needed to pay a ransom to get back

:13:01.:13:05.

in. Computer systems which have not been upgraded or patched are usually

:13:06.:13:07.

the most vulnerable. Our security correspondent

:13:08.:13:08.

Gordon Corera there. Joining us now is technology

:13:09.:13:10.

expert Tom Cheesewright. He knows a thing or two about these

:13:11.:13:18.

things! I think we spoke to you last time there was a cyber attack.

:13:19.:13:23.

What's the difference with this one, it spread really quickly. We talked

:13:24.:13:26.

about the one that affected the NHS, what are the key differences here?

:13:27.:13:31.

The first is how it got out there, it was uploaded into a Ukrainian tax

:13:32.:13:35.

system and it spread from that system to anybody that downloaded a

:13:36.:13:39.

software update from there, that gets into all sorts of organisations

:13:40.:13:49.

that deal with them. From there it had three or four different ways of

:13:50.:13:52.

spreading across networks through organisations inside the Ukraine and

:13:53.:13:54.

international organisations. We don't know of any other ways it

:13:55.:13:58.

spread outside that, typically e-mails, phishing e-mails that

:13:59.:14:01.

encourage people to download the software. From what you can read

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into it, does it seem aimed at Ukraine, deliberately targeting

:14:08.:14:11.

them? What points us into that direction is it started with this

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software in the Ukraine, secondly it doesn't on second reflection looked

:14:16.:14:19.

like a piece of ransomware. The core code of the system seems very

:14:20.:14:23.

sophisticated, it's taking advantage of lots of different flaws in

:14:24.:14:26.

software to spread quickly through networks. The piece of software

:14:27.:14:31.

written to collect the money is basically rubbish. It is very

:14:32.:14:35.

simplistic. It's not about the cash? No, it is just a poor disguise.

:14:36.:14:44.

They've only been paid about ?8,000, which has affected so many people,

:14:45.:14:48.

so maybe it's not about the money. How can businesses protect

:14:49.:14:50.

themselves? Is it like drug testing, they are ahead in terms of the

:14:51.:14:55.

technology they use that you can use to fight against this? This isn't

:14:56.:14:58.

like someone pointing a gun at you but like a flu virus spreading, it

:14:59.:15:02.

gets the old and infirm first so you have to make sure your systems are

:15:03.:15:06.

up to date and if possible you've upgraded to the latest versions of

:15:07.:15:10.

the software and you have good antivirus in place and good backups

:15:11.:15:13.

but most of all you have to make sure your users and your setup in

:15:14.:15:17.

terms of policy is right. If things do get in that means they can't

:15:18.:15:19.

spread quickly. Other systems especially vulnerable

:15:20.:15:28.

at the moment or the attackers are becoming more sophisticated? Part of

:15:29.:15:32.

the problem is the NSA was stopped tiling what it called cyber weapons.

:15:33.:15:38.

They were stopped piling weapons for getting into different computers. --

:15:39.:15:43.

stockpiling. These were then shared with the public and now lots of

:15:44.:15:47.

cyber criminals are using these weapons in attacks. So these weapons

:15:48.:15:57.

feature in the software and allow it to spread rapidly across networks.

:15:58.:16:02.

This use of cyber attacks, we had the Defence Secretary Michael Fallon

:16:03.:16:08.

speaking yesterday about the use of cyber attacks against Isis, which

:16:09.:16:10.

have been successful, so whichever you look at it this is the future.

:16:11.:16:15.

This is the new battleground and there is some evidence that this is

:16:16.:16:21.

a target at Ukraine, and it is based on where it started and what it has

:16:22.:16:28.

caused. Hats this is a cyber attack on Ukraine. We've seen it attacked

:16:29.:16:32.

the Chernobyl nuclear reactor, so it is taking down the automated

:16:33.:16:37.

checking of levels, which is very dangerous. Affecting the movement of

:16:38.:16:42.

all sorts of goods around the world as well. Thank you.

:16:43.:16:46.

I fear we will have to talk to you again.

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Why don't you just stay there! Something we also always talk about,

:16:49.:16:56.

the weather. Good morning. I've got quite a lot of rain this morning and

:16:57.:17:01.

overnight. If you are travelling first thing watch out for extra

:17:02.:17:04.

surface water and spray on the roads. On the radar picture what you

:17:05.:17:11.

will find this we have seen a lot of rain. Some parts have had two inches

:17:12.:17:15.

over the course of the night. At the moment the heaviest rain is in east

:17:16.:17:19.

Anglia, through Cambridgeshire and into Lincolnshire. This rain is

:17:20.:17:25.

rotating around low pressure. This morning it is wet in Wales,

:17:26.:17:29.

south-west England, towards south-east England and east Anglia.

:17:30.:17:33.

In between the rain there are some drier interludes. We lose the cloud

:17:34.:17:38.

around and there is drizzle. But it isn't a cold start to the day. For

:17:39.:17:42.

more than England it is dry at the moment, at the rain is on its way

:17:43.:17:46.

from Northern Ireland. Rain moving east and south through the day and

:17:47.:17:51.

for Scotland you will have the driest weather today across the

:17:52.:17:54.

whole of the UK. That doesn't mean wall-to-wall blue skies. There will

:17:55.:17:59.

be quite a lot of cloud at times. Down the east coast of Scotland and

:18:00.:18:03.

England you will find the onshore flow will be quite windy and it will

:18:04.:18:08.

feel cold. Especially if you combine that with the rain. The rain moves

:18:09.:18:12.

away from the south-east. It will brighten up through the day as

:18:13.:18:16.

temperatures worries it could spark shunter we showers. -- as the

:18:17.:18:23.

temperatures rise it could spark a thundery showers. England, Scotland

:18:24.:18:27.

and Northern Ireland will see the rain. It never leaves the south-east

:18:28.:18:33.

and it calls back in again. Temperatures are in double figures

:18:34.:18:38.

in cities. Lower than that in rural areas. Tomorrow it is Scotland,

:18:39.:18:41.

northern England and Northern Ireland with the rain. Some of it

:18:42.:18:45.

still fringing in the west of Wales. A lot of dry weather for the rest of

:18:46.:18:49.

England and Wales. Temperatures tomorrow in the south, 16- 20

:18:50.:18:55.

Celsius. If you are stuck under the rain in the north it will be the

:18:56.:19:01.

cooler. 12- 14. As we had through Thursday, into Friday, this low

:19:02.:19:04.

pressure, which is dominating at the moment, starts to sink further

:19:05.:19:08.

south. The weather front is dragged southwards with it. On Friday itself

:19:09.:19:13.

here is the band of rain associated with it. You can see how it is

:19:14.:19:16.

fragmenting on the Western front. Still heavy at times and still keen

:19:17.:19:22.

wind, but this time it is coming from the north, which is a

:19:23.:19:26.

direction. Nonetheless, London could still hit 22 Celsius. As we head

:19:27.:19:31.

into the weekend it will be drier and brighter. That doesn't mean it

:19:32.:19:35.

will be dry and bright all the time, because there will be some Atlantic

:19:36.:19:39.

fronts coming from the west. But we don't expect them to be as heavy or

:19:40.:19:43.

produce as much rain as we have seen all are going to see today.

:19:44.:19:53.

Thank you very much. Ben is with us, looking at some of the main business

:19:54.:19:58.

stories. We have been talking about the clampdown from the regulator,

:19:59.:20:01.

the financial Rigoletto, one of these we pay on our pensions.

:20:02.:20:07.

They've just unveiled a crackdown, the Financial Conduct Authority,

:20:08.:20:14.

after complaints that firms are charging too much on this. The

:20:15.:20:19.

market is worth ?7 trillion but it is unclear what visa being imposed

:20:20.:20:23.

and higher fees are eating into the value of our retirement savings. It

:20:24.:20:27.

is important because three quarters of all UK households currently have

:20:28.:20:30.

a pension that is invested in the stock market. More for you on that

:20:31.:20:35.

in about half an hour. Elsewhere, Toshiba has failed to sell its

:20:36.:20:39.

memory business, despite plans to sell it to the Japanese government.

:20:40.:20:43.

It needs to sell the firm for about $18 billion to pay for its failed US

:20:44.:20:46.

nuclear business that collapsed earlier this year. Without a deal

:20:47.:20:54.

the future of Toshiba remains in doubt and the whole firm could

:20:55.:21:00.

collapse as a result. More than three quarters of the population of

:21:01.:21:04.

the world now uses Facebook. It announced it has 2 billion people

:21:05.:21:08.

using the site, 13 years after it was founded by Mark Zuckerberg at

:21:09.:21:14.

Harvard. He famously dropped out of university after globe on the --

:21:15.:21:19.

launching the global networking site. But critics long predicted the

:21:20.:21:24.

demise of the firm, as Snapchat and Instagram it into user numbers. 2

:21:25.:21:30.

billion for Facebook! Not a bad figure for someone who set it up at

:21:31.:21:34.

university. Absolutely amazing. Thank you and see you later.

:21:35.:21:36.

Flipping out the numbers today! First introduced as a way

:21:37.:21:41.

of combating crime, the power to stop-and-search members

:21:42.:21:44.

of the public is one of the most controversial aspects

:21:45.:21:47.

of British policing. In England and Wales,

:21:48.:21:49.

its use has more than halved But, in an exclusive interview,

:21:50.:21:51.

one of England's most senior police chiefs has told Breakfast

:21:52.:21:56.

he believes the drop in stop-and-search has led

:21:57.:21:58.

to a rise in knife crime. Our reporter Tim Muffett

:21:59.:22:01.

has the story. Everytime I go down,

:22:02.:22:06.

people are walking past and it's just a normal day, but that's

:22:07.:22:10.

where my life ended, On the same street in Leicester

:22:11.:22:12.

where Amy's son Tyler was stabbed to death in 2015, Sean

:22:13.:22:27.

was attacked one month before. They stabbed me once in my back,

:22:28.:22:36.

which went straight into my artery. If I didn't survive this

:22:37.:22:42.

could be my mum sitting here feeling Amy and Shaun believe jail sentences

:22:43.:22:45.

for knife possession should be longer and that police should be

:22:46.:22:49.

stopping and searching more If the stop-and-search was more

:22:50.:22:52.

present, then I believe my son Across England and Wales,

:22:53.:22:56.

police are stopping and searching In 2011, there were more

:22:57.:23:11.

than 100,000 stop and searches. According to the most recent

:23:12.:23:20.

Home Office figures that number has Those figures relate to searches

:23:21.:23:23.

for offensive weapons. Since 2011, overall knife crime has

:23:24.:23:27.

fallen, but in the past two years it Stop-and-search legally done

:23:28.:23:31.

is an absolutely vital part Like all police chiefs,

:23:32.:23:38.

Mike Barton was told by the Home Office in 2014 that

:23:39.:23:48.

stop-and-search needed reform. It should be intelligence-led,

:23:49.:23:51.

more effectively targeted. Do you think there's a link

:23:52.:23:56.

between a national decrease in stop-and-search and the recent

:23:57.:24:01.

increase in knife crime? We have not done any hard science

:24:02.:24:03.

to say that there is a direct link, however, we are all bright people

:24:04.:24:07.

and we can all work it out and you've got to say that it's

:24:08.:24:11.

a reasonable hypothesis. They are members of Break the Chain,

:24:12.:24:25.

a London-based group of volunteers. Carrying a knife is normalised,

:24:26.:24:29.

like wearing socks. How do you feel about

:24:30.:24:31.

carrying a knife? They believe talking to people

:24:32.:24:34.

is the best way to dissuade them Cairo has himself been

:24:35.:24:37.

stopped and searched. The van stopped and they

:24:38.:24:40.

slammed open the door. When I asked them why I was searched

:24:41.:24:48.

they said I looked nervous. I've never been in

:24:49.:24:55.

trouble with the police. If you drive past in a van and stare

:24:56.:24:58.

at me, I'm going to be nervous. Stop-and-search needs

:24:59.:25:03.

to be dealt with better. West Midlands Police training centre

:25:04.:25:05.

and a stop-and-search This force believes fewer searches

:25:06.:25:07.

can be just as effective. Since 2011-2012 we have reduced

:25:08.:25:12.

the amount of stop and searches that we conduct, but the arrest rate

:25:13.:25:17.

from that remains exactly the same, so it would appear now that we are

:25:18.:25:24.

targeting the right people, The Home Office says it supports

:25:25.:25:27.

stop-and-search when carried out properly and that there is no proven

:25:28.:25:35.

link between a number of searches But as a police tactic,

:25:36.:25:39.

it remains controversial. Later we'll be speaking to a member

:25:40.:25:46.

of the race equality organisation, the Runnymede Trust,

:25:47.:25:51.

looking at the issue of racial Also to come this morning: Have

:25:52.:25:53.

you ever heard of Man v Fat? It's a football

:25:54.:26:01.

league for obese men. Kat's at the Soccer in the city

:26:02.:26:03.

stadium in Manchester for us. It is all about losing weight. It

:26:04.:26:15.

started two years ago and they've lost a combined total of 4000 stone!

:26:16.:26:21.

And you get goals for the amount of weight you have lost! Amazing.

:26:22.:26:22.

Really fascinating. More on that Hello, this is Breakfast,

:26:23.:29:42.

with Dan Walker and Louise Minchin. A decision on whether people

:29:43.:29:56.

and organisations will face criminal disaster will be announced this

:29:57.:29:59.

morning. The Crown Prosecution Service

:30:00.:30:02.

will reveal its intentions at a meeting with victims'

:30:03.:30:04.

relatives this morning. 96 Liverpool fans died

:30:05.:30:06.

when the terraces at the Sheffield ground became overcrowded

:30:07.:30:09.

during the 1989 FA Cup semi final. Steve Kelly's brother, Michael,

:30:10.:30:17.

died in the disaster. It's paramount in this whole case

:30:18.:30:20.

to give the families respite and the survivors of Hillsborough

:30:21.:30:23.

and you know, to truly let News on that throughout the day

:30:24.:30:26.

for you across the BBC. Two weeks on from the Grenfell Tower

:30:27.:30:39.

fire, Theresa May has called for a major national investigation

:30:40.:30:42.

into the use of potentially flammable cladding

:30:43.:30:44.

on high rise buildings. Every one of the samples tested

:30:45.:30:46.

from 95 buildings across England Last night the government confirmed

:30:47.:30:49.

all school buildings over four storeys tall are having

:30:50.:30:53.

their external cladding analysed Labour says it will challenge MPs

:30:54.:30:55.

today to oppose further austerity. The party will call for more

:30:56.:31:02.

spending on the police and fire services as an amendment

:31:03.:31:05.

to the Queen's Speech, as well as an end to the 1% cap

:31:06.:31:07.

on public sector pay rises. The Conservatives say only

:31:08.:31:11.

they will deliver the economy needed to properly fund the

:31:12.:31:14.

emergency services. Computer systems around the world

:31:15.:31:22.

have been hit by a major cyber-attack affecting banks,

:31:23.:31:25.

retailers, energy firms The companies have been

:31:26.:31:27.

told their computers will remain Experts who have examined the code

:31:28.:31:30.

say it's more sophisticated than the virus used in a global

:31:31.:31:34.

attack last month, which badly hit One of the UK's rarest birds of prey

:31:35.:31:38.

is heading towards extinction There are just four breeding pairs

:31:39.:31:47.

of hen harriers left, and numbers are declining fast

:31:48.:31:52.

across the rest of the UK. Even in the bird's traditional

:31:53.:31:55.

stronghold of Scotland, The reasons include illegal

:31:56.:31:57.

persecution and destruction Time for my favourite story of the

:31:58.:32:00.

day! Cow news with a difference! started playing her ukulele

:32:01.:32:20.

to a herd of cows in Llandudno. Here she is with just

:32:21.:32:28.

a few of the herd watching, and before too long,

:32:29.:32:31.

she was joined by many more Then she's got a massive crowd like

:32:32.:32:48.

the Pied Piper. You know what we would call that if she worked in the

:32:49.:32:58.

newspaper industry? Mukele! She said you can't be here all night, Monday!

:32:59.:33:06.

Mukele! They play music to cows when they are milking them! What for,

:33:07.:33:12.

why? May be to relax them. Cows really like music. Bella's .be...

:33:13.:33:23.

Hold on a minute, going to say it again, mukelele!

:33:24.:33:26.

England fans are used to it, though, aren't they? Too many times. England

:33:27.:33:41.

under 21s lost to Germany in the European Championship semi-final

:33:42.:33:44.

yesterday on penalties. Do we practice loads? Or do we do what the

:33:45.:33:50.

Germans say they did, not practice at all and turn up and have a go?

:33:51.:33:55.

I'm not sure I believe them by the looks of that penalty shootout.

:33:56.:33:56.

Once again, England have lost the semi-final of a football

:33:57.:33:59.

This time it was the Under 21s European Championship,

:34:00.:34:03.

the lead through Chelsea's Tammy Abraham.

:34:04.:34:06.

But the Germans levelled and after extra time,

:34:07.:34:08.

Nathan Redmond penalty was saved and the side followed the fate

:34:09.:34:11.

of the senior teams in 1990 and 1996.

:34:12.:34:17.

We've been practising for weeks but in the end of the two players

:34:18.:34:21.

you would put odds on to score every time, the goalkeeper makes

:34:22.:34:24.

a great save so we'll have to take that.

:34:25.:34:26.

It's been a real team effort and I think we can be pleased

:34:27.:34:30.

And in the end we've lost on a penalty shootout and next time

:34:31.:34:35.

It's only 25 days since Real Madrid won the Champions League

:34:36.:34:40.

but this season's competition is already under way!

:34:41.:34:42.

Despite a stunning goal from Scott Quigley,

:34:43.:34:44.

Welsh champions the New Saints lost 2-1 to Europa FC of Gibraltar

:34:45.:34:48.

Fifa officials investigating alleged corruption were told plans

:34:49.:34:59.

for England to play a friendly in Thailand to win backing

:35:00.:35:02.

for their own World Cup bid were a form of bribery.

:35:03.:35:05.

The former FA Chairman Geoff Thompson made

:35:06.:35:07.

the admission when interviewed during a Fifa enquiry

:35:08.:35:09.

into the bidding process for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments,

:35:10.:35:12.

England's cricketers thrashed Pakistan to get

:35:13.:35:21.

their Women's World Cup campaign back on track.

:35:22.:35:24.

Natalie Sivver and captain Heather Knight both hit their first

:35:25.:35:27.

as England reached a record-breaking 377-7.

:35:28.:35:32.

Pakistan never got close, the rain intervened,

:35:33.:35:33.

It was exciting to watch, watching Nat at the other end

:35:34.:35:45.

It's the type of cricket we want to play, we wanna be

:35:46.:35:50.

exciting and we wanna show what we can do.

:35:51.:35:52.

We all know Nat can do that and to see her go out and do

:35:53.:35:56.

that is obviously brilliant from our perspective,

:35:57.:35:58.

but it's a great performance obviously but there's a lot more

:35:59.:36:01.

cricket to be played in this tournament.

:36:02.:36:04.

Novak Djokovic had entered the Aegon International

:36:05.:36:05.

in Eastbourne with hopes of gaining some much-needed grass court

:36:06.:36:08.

but spent a lot of yesterday twiddling his thumbs.

:36:09.:36:12.

The former world number one had taken the first game

:36:13.:36:14.

against Canada's Vasek Pospisil when the rains came

:36:15.:36:17.

From what Carol has been saying, I'm not sure they'll have much luck.

:36:18.:36:28.

While the current world number one Andy Murray pulled out

:36:29.:36:31.

of an exhibition match at the Hurlingham Club in London,

:36:32.:36:34.

He is still expected to play at the Club on Friday before

:36:35.:36:39.

beginning the defence of his Wimbledon title

:36:40.:36:41.

on Centre Court on Monday afternoon.

:36:42.:36:42.

He did play earlier in the day yesterday and maybe he felt some

:36:43.:36:47.

soreness during that training match and decided not to continue and play

:36:48.:36:51.

hours of tennis. Nothing too much too worried about but he needed the

:36:52.:36:55.

rest. Rest is a good thing! You're going to be not on the sofa for the

:36:56.:37:00.

next couple of weeks? The next fortnight from Wimbledon, I am so

:37:01.:37:05.

lucky, I love my job and this is my favourite time of year, one of my

:37:06.:37:09.

favourite things to do, Wimbledon fortnight with Carol. Can it get any

:37:10.:37:14.

better than that? Breakfast with Carol every morning, it's the dream!

:37:15.:37:16.

I'm living it! A competition now with a difference,

:37:17.:37:28.

Man V Fat. 24 leagues have been set up to help big men lose weight. Set

:37:29.:37:33.

up 20 years ago, the men so far have lost a combined impressive total of

:37:34.:37:42.

4000st. Cat Downs is pitch side in Manchester for us this morning. Some

:37:43.:37:47.

incredible numbers! Some amazing stories, you're right, in a moment I

:37:48.:37:53.

will speak to a man who has lost 27% of his body weight, incredible

:37:54.:37:57.

stories here at Man V Fat and I'm not just pitch side, I'm on the

:37:58.:38:01.

pitch, you have to have eyes on the back of your head, these guys can

:38:02.:38:05.

get serious weight behind the ball. How do you go about losing weight?

:38:06.:38:10.

That was the problem that led to the birth of Man V Fat. Join a Zumba

:38:11.:38:18.

class? A slimming diet? That didn't work for a lot of these guys but

:38:19.:38:22.

what did work was playing football every week and making a life change

:38:23.:38:26.

with overweight guys like them, and it's worked. Across the leagues

:38:27.:38:30.

around the country 3000 men have lost a combined total of more than

:38:31.:38:35.

30 tons. In a moment I will speak to some of them but here's eight quick

:38:36.:38:39.

look first at how it works. -- a quick look.

:38:40.:38:43.

This is my first season and I've lost three and a halfst. I'm

:38:44.:38:51.

enjoying life better, I feel like I'm getting more out of it. There

:38:52.:38:59.

you go! Made me a lot fitter and a lock thinner! Still rubbish and

:39:00.:39:09.

football! Rubbish or the next Ronaldo? That doesn't matter here.

:39:10.:39:13.

What counts is shedding the Stones. As well as goals on the pitch...

:39:14.:39:18.

Teams get bonus goals for the amount of weight they lose together. I

:39:19.:39:24.

really, really struggled to lose weight through the years. I joined a

:39:25.:39:28.

lot of the commercial weight loss organisations and obviously so many

:39:29.:39:32.

of the people who go to those are women and it just felt it wasn't

:39:33.:39:36.

quite right for me. There's a lot of talk about fitting into a bikini. So

:39:37.:39:41.

really it was about finding some going that was suitable for men,

:39:42.:39:44.

something that would really empower them, something that would really

:39:45.:39:48.

help them to lose weight and that's where Man V Fat football came from.

:39:49.:39:53.

It works thanks to teamwork. When we first started we had a tiny Little

:39:54.:39:56.

broom cupboard room where the men would come and weigh-in and it ended

:39:57.:40:00.

up with the whole team cramming into these tiny rooms because they were

:40:01.:40:05.

supporting each other, cheering each other on and wanting each other to

:40:06.:40:09.

do well. This league in Manchester isn't the only one, there are 24

:40:10.:40:14.

around the country. That's 3000 men getting out, playing football and

:40:15.:40:17.

losing weight and in around a year and a half they've lost a combined

:40:18.:40:25.

total of more than 30 tons. So that's 906.1, you've lost four kilos

:40:26.:40:32.

this week. Ross has lost 4.5st since January. Before this he found there

:40:33.:40:36.

was nothing accessible for guys like him who wanted to lose weight. You

:40:37.:40:41.

look at your men's fitness, get a sixpack, show your muscles when

:40:42.:40:44.

those lads, we're nowhere near that. We need to be able to lose weight

:40:45.:40:48.

comparably and if it's having a group of lads taking the Mickey out

:40:49.:40:53.

of you and doing it that way it's absolutely perfect. With the tons

:40:54.:40:56.

ticking away it proves whatever works for you is best in the battle

:40:57.:40:58.

against the bulge. So forget your bikini diets and your

:40:59.:41:06.

juice detox is, this seems to be working for men, a way of getting

:41:07.:41:12.

men to lose weight and engage in a healthy lifestyle. Andrew, it seems

:41:13.:41:17.

to be the key to getting men involved in weight losses, not

:41:18.:41:20.

taking yourself too seriously, I love the team names, can you give me

:41:21.:41:22.

a few? Allows of humour, we have team names like

:41:23.:41:32.

the cerebral -- there's lots of humour. In Manchester we had 17

:41:33.:41:39.

Stone Roses. My favourite was Chafing the Cure and. I want to

:41:40.:41:49.

bring in -- Chafing the Cure dream. You're the first council to have

:41:50.:41:53.

taken a risk and started working with Man V Fat to help bring down

:41:54.:41:59.

obesity numbers -- Chafing the Cure in. What results have you seen?

:42:00.:42:04.

it's been great, we don't see it often in these services. The men who

:42:05.:42:14.

take it up in Solihull appeared to be sticking with it, which is part

:42:15.:42:20.

of the battle. Let me bring in Ben. You lost 27% of your body weight. We

:42:21.:42:25.

have some before pictures of you, how you look before you lost the

:42:26.:42:30.

weight and you have loved Man V Fat so much that you have gone on to be

:42:31.:42:34.

a coach in the league. How important is teamwork in this? A lot of it is

:42:35.:42:41.

not wanting to let your team down? Definitely, big accountability

:42:42.:42:44.

coming in every night weighing in not only with guys you don't want to

:42:45.:42:48.

let down but those supporting you through the week, we have groups

:42:49.:42:51.

that are chatting and supporting through the week so you feel you're

:42:52.:42:55.

doing it for the team as well as yourself. The goals on the pitch

:42:56.:42:59.

count as well so to your position in the league so you can get bonus

:43:00.:43:04.

goals for losing the weight. A lot of the games are decided purely by

:43:05.:43:09.

the weight loss goals and the pitch scorecard affected as much often.

:43:10.:43:13.

It's a good balance between competitive football and weight

:43:14.:43:16.

loss. Congratulations and congratulations to everyone for

:43:17.:43:21.

coming out and playing so early. They've come from Birmingham, Stoke

:43:22.:43:24.

and Manchester and it's not just about fun, there's a big trophy at

:43:25.:43:29.

stake, some serious silverware. Check this out for a trophy if you

:43:30.:43:34.

win our mini BBC Breakfast tournament this morning. Not bad,

:43:35.:43:39.

hey? That looks so good. You won't have seen it, it was behind you, we

:43:40.:43:44.

will show you later, but one of the guys in a black shirt scored and

:43:45.:43:48.

believable goal which we will try to show later. I want to see that,

:43:49.:43:54.

please, that will be amazing. I love some of those names, 17 Stone Roses.

:43:55.:44:03.

Chafing the Dream was my favourite, at least they aren't taking

:44:04.:44:07.

themselves too seriously! 27% of your body weight!

:44:08.:44:21.

If you like rain, that's what you would have seen. That's right, a wet

:44:22.:44:26.

start for many places, but not all of the UK. There'll be a of standing

:44:27.:44:32.

water, surface spray, we have had heavy rain through the night. The

:44:33.:44:36.

heaviest rain has been across England and Wales. At the moment the

:44:37.:44:40.

heaviest rain is the east Anglia, heading up through the likes of

:44:41.:44:44.

Lincolnshire. It is all rotating around an area of low pressure and

:44:45.:44:48.

it will continue to do so and drift further northwards as we go through

:44:49.:44:52.

the day. That will allow it to brighten up in the south-east. Not

:44:53.:44:57.

especially sunny. Still a lot of cloud. The brightest skies will be

:44:58.:45:01.

in Scotland, where we will have sunshine later, especially in the

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west, and the rain moves away from Northern Ireland and into northern

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England. Down the east coast there is an onshore flow that will be

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windy. If you are stuck under the rain and wind it will feel chilly.

:45:14.:45:17.

In the afternoon as temperatures rise that could spark a thundery

:45:18.:45:21.

downpours. There will be showers. We will hang on to the rain in

:45:22.:45:25.

south-west England and also parts of Wales. It will be on and off through

:45:26.:45:30.

the day. For Northern Ireland the rain will clear you, at the moment

:45:31.:45:35.

it is in the east. It will push southwards, allowing brighter skies

:45:36.:45:39.

to develop. Maybe one or two showers. Sunny skies in Scotland

:45:40.:45:44.

will be in the west. Down the east coast we have an onshore flow, so it

:45:45.:45:49.

will feel cool. Through the evening and overnight the rain continues to

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push northwards, getting across all of northern England and through

:45:53.:45:57.

parts of Scotland and back into Northern Ireland and it remains in

:45:58.:46:00.

south-west England, through the English Channel. In towns and cities

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temperatures stay in double figures. Lower than that in the rural areas.

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Tomorrow is the turn of northern England, Scotland and Northern

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Ireland to see the rain, but still some coming through the west of

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Wales and south-west England. For the rest of Wales and England

:46:17.:46:20.

largely dry, except for the odd shower. Still that keen wind coming

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in from the North Sea, through the Irish Sea and into the English

:46:26.:46:29.

Channel. If you are exposed to that, especially in the east, it will feel

:46:30.:46:34.

cold. Further south with the dry conditions temperatures getting up

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to about 17- 20 Celsius, but cooler than that as we push further north.

:46:39.:46:44.

That low pressure still with us Thursday and into Friday, but it is

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sinking and dragging the weather front with it, which produces some

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rain. The wind veers to more of a chilly direction, more of a

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northerly. The rain turns more patchy. Still potent in the east. A

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fair bit of dry weather, with highs of 22.

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Lovely. See you in about 25 minutes. Today marks two weeks since the

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Grenfell Tower fire. At least 79 people are known to have died in a

:47:18.:47:21.

blaze, with hundreds left homeless. A lot has happened in the last 14

:47:22.:47:27.

days. We've seen anger, despair, but also hope, resilience and a

:47:28.:47:28.

community spirit. At its height, 40 fire engines

:47:29.:47:30.

and more than 200 firefighters Dozens were rescued

:47:31.:47:33.

but despite their efforts, 79 people are now

:47:34.:47:37.

known to have died. The fire started in a fridge freezer

:47:38.:47:40.

but what caused it to spread so quickly will be key

:47:41.:47:43.

to the investigation. The focus so far has

:47:44.:47:49.

been on the cladding. Samples from 95 towers in 32 local

:47:50.:47:51.

authority areas in England have The government was criticised

:47:52.:47:54.

for its slow response to the tragedy, but has

:47:55.:48:02.

since announced a full public enquiry, ?5 million fund

:48:03.:48:06.

for the victims and a promise to rehouse all those

:48:07.:48:09.

affected in the local area. The tragedy has evoked a huge

:48:10.:48:11.

outpouring of support. Millions of pounds have been donated

:48:12.:48:14.

as well as clothing, We're joined now from west London

:48:15.:48:16.

by Amanda Fernandez, who lives next to Grenfell Tower,

:48:17.:48:26.

and Pilgrim Tucker, who was involved Good morning and thank you for

:48:27.:48:37.

joining us. If I can just ask you first, Amanda, I know you lived very

:48:38.:48:42.

close to the tower. How close and are you able to get back into your

:48:43.:48:50.

home? I live on the Lancaster Estate, the tower is part of that

:48:51.:48:54.

state. So literally the ground level, right at the base of the

:48:55.:49:01.

tower. The tower acts as a central hub for the power to the rest of the

:49:02.:49:07.

estate, so another 845 homes. When the tower came down literally the

:49:08.:49:11.

estate shut down because we had no hot water, no electricity, all of

:49:12.:49:16.

the minor things you need to have a safe home. And of course added to

:49:17.:49:21.

that you had... We don't know if there are still toxins in the air,

:49:22.:49:25.

there's been no report, there has been no co-ordination or official

:49:26.:49:30.

response to any of the residents that were evacuated, so we are still

:49:31.:49:36.

not in our homes. There is access, but it's not safe, it's not safe.

:49:37.:49:41.

And where are you staying at the moment? My family is in temporary

:49:42.:49:49.

accommodation, we are outside... In the Hammersmith and Fulham borough.

:49:50.:49:57.

One is in Westminster and the other is in a different location. Did you

:49:58.:50:01.

get any choice about where to go? We know some people don't want to be

:50:02.:50:06.

able to see the tower. Did you get a choice? You didn't get a choice. You

:50:07.:50:12.

didn't even get offered this option. It was kind of, you need somewhere

:50:13.:50:17.

to sleep and if you have small children or elderly or whoever you

:50:18.:50:22.

need to be somewhere, you need to be sheltered. So we just took what we

:50:23.:50:28.

were given. A lot of people are further away and for different

:50:29.:50:32.

reasons I know a lot of my friends and family who were in the tower

:50:33.:50:36.

don't want to be anywhere near the tower and are still forced to have

:50:37.:50:39.

to pass it every day because we still have to come to the recovery

:50:40.:50:43.

centre that is next to the tower as well. I personally can't leave my

:50:44.:50:46.

community. I don't necessarily want to look at it, it is very hard, but

:50:47.:50:52.

I'm always here at 8am and we leave at midnight to go home and sleep. I

:50:53.:50:58.

will come back to you in a moment. Pilgrim, we know you were in charge

:50:59.:51:02.

of this fire safety campaign and there's been so much talk and

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looking at what went wrong. What were your main concerns before this?

:51:07.:51:14.

The main concern of the residence at the time I was working here was the

:51:15.:51:19.

overall refurbishment job that was going on. The quality of the work

:51:20.:51:24.

that was going on and how the residents here were being treated by

:51:25.:51:29.

the council, by the tenant management organisation. Is the --

:51:30.:51:37.

the specific thing we were looking at was the boilers and the

:51:38.:51:40.

positioning of boilers in houses and the pipework to and from those

:51:41.:51:44.

boilers. Apparently they had been consulted on the work that was being

:51:45.:51:50.

done and they had a show flat and on the show flat the boilers were

:51:51.:51:53.

positioned somewhere sensible, above the kitchen sink. In the kitchen.

:51:54.:51:59.

But then they realised that when the work started happening, the

:52:00.:52:03.

residents realised the boilers were being placed in this narrow

:52:04.:52:08.

corridors leading to the front door, so partially obstructing the front

:52:09.:52:12.

doors. And the pipework to those boilers was sticking out several

:52:13.:52:17.

inches out of the walls. So they were very unhappy about that. They

:52:18.:52:26.

tried to get in touch with the TMO and council about moving the boilers

:52:27.:52:29.

and putting them where they were originally meant to be and the

:52:30.:52:33.

council was so unresponsive. They just didn't reply to any e-mails and

:52:34.:52:37.

actually it took people protesting in the end. They tried petitioning.

:52:38.:52:43.

But they had to protest in the end. And in the end of those who

:52:44.:52:46.

protested did get those boilers moved, but the ones who didn't have

:52:47.:52:50.

them positioned in the hallway. At the time we weren't really aware

:52:51.:52:54.

that there would be a problem with the flammability of the cladding,

:52:55.:52:59.

but we knew they were all of these historical fire safety problems. The

:53:00.:53:05.

power surges, fire safety equipment not being checked regularly and they

:53:06.:53:09.

complained about that for a long period of time and had no response.

:53:10.:53:13.

They were very worried about that. We do know, and I can still see you

:53:14.:53:17.

are very emotional about it, we know there will be this public enquiry

:53:18.:53:21.

and they will be looking at so many things with regard to what happened,

:53:22.:53:26.

how it happened and the rest of it. Are you optimistic that this will

:53:27.:53:31.

bring answers and change? I don't feel very optimistic. What is really

:53:32.:53:37.

shocking is that Theresa May spoke to the media about the public

:53:38.:53:40.

enquiry yesterday before she even reply to the tenants. The tenants

:53:41.:53:45.

e-mail to the day before yesterday -- e-mailed her the day before

:53:46.:53:50.

yesterday and asked for several things, which under the

:53:51.:53:53.

circumstances are not just reasonable, they are hugely

:53:54.:53:57.

important. They've asked for input into choosing the chair, the terms

:53:58.:54:02.

of reference and advisers and making sure this is a really thorough

:54:03.:54:05.

public enquiry that looks back over the years at all of the causes of

:54:06.:54:11.

this and all of the negligence that happened building up to that fire

:54:12.:54:16.

and just the absence of the authorities in the aftermath and the

:54:17.:54:20.

fact that the people here will have to fend for themselves and there was

:54:21.:54:29.

nobody here doing their jobs. So, no, it doesn't really fill with --

:54:30.:54:36.

me with confidence. People here have already lost trust in the

:54:37.:54:39.

authorities and Theresa May is now asking them to trust her again, but

:54:40.:54:44.

they contact her and she doesn't reply to them and she goes astray to

:54:45.:54:48.

speak to the media. Just appalling. So rude. Amanda, I can see you are

:54:49.:54:56.

nodding at agreeing with some of the things Pilgrim is saying. If I can

:54:57.:55:01.

ask you, presumably, hopefully, at some point you will be allowed to go

:55:02.:55:05.

back to your house. How do you feel about that? There are several

:55:06.:55:13.

factors that they have to kind of... Several boxes they have to tick

:55:14.:55:19.

before we can go back to our house. The state of the environment right

:55:20.:55:24.

now, our homes are so close to the tower that any work that is being

:55:25.:55:28.

done to the tower will always affect us and I can't see that being done

:55:29.:55:34.

in the near future. Apart from that, a lot of my friends and family were

:55:35.:55:38.

actually on the tower and managed to escape and some didn't, so there's a

:55:39.:55:43.

lot of emotions there as well. It's not something I've actually thought

:55:44.:55:47.

about yet, because we are just trying to process everything, going

:55:48.:55:50.

back to our homes, to our possessions and what's left is

:55:51.:55:55.

something that you don't even look forward to because everything is

:55:56.:55:58.

completely changed, it's not the same. This is why we put in an

:55:59.:56:02.

enquiry that we need to be involved. This is why we put in our statement

:56:03.:56:06.

that we need to be involved, because right from the beginning there has

:56:07.:56:10.

been systematic failure, right from before, during the fire, and now

:56:11.:56:17.

after. It's just giving us no hope. Briefly, how would you describe the

:56:18.:56:20.

way you personally feel at the moment? Look, I keep saying, the

:56:21.:56:27.

first week are was in shock and full of anger and shock. Complete shock.

:56:28.:56:32.

The second week little bit of emotion, I couldn't talk properly.

:56:33.:56:37.

This past weekend I've had time to kind of reflect and realise,

:56:38.:56:42.

actually, if we don't speak up now time is passing, it is already

:56:43.:56:47.

becoming chip paper for a lot of the world and we are still living it. It

:56:48.:56:51.

feels like two years have passed and it's only two weeks, if we haven't

:56:52.:56:54.

moved, everything is going in slow motion. Personally, I am still

:56:55.:57:00.

filled with a lot of anger but I know we have to channel it in a way

:57:01.:57:04.

that the world can support as, it's not only the immediate community, it

:57:05.:57:08.

is everyone's support we need. This is for everyone across the world who

:57:09.:57:12.

lives in social housing. Things have to change. It's enough. Enough is

:57:13.:57:16.

enough. I appreciate your time. Rest of luck. -- best of luck.

:57:17.:57:24.

Really powerful testimonies from both of them. A lot of people are

:57:25.:57:29.

catching up on this programme on iPlayer these days. That interview

:57:30.:57:32.

will be available on iPlayer later. Time now to get the news,

:57:33.:57:36.

travel and weather where you are. Hello, this is Breakfast

:57:37.:01:03.

with Dan Walker and Louise Minchin. After a near 30 year battle,

:01:04.:01:08.

the families of those who died at Hillsborough will find out this

:01:09.:01:10.

morning whether anyone It follows two separate

:01:11.:01:13.

inquires into what happened on the day of the match

:01:14.:01:21.

and whether there was Good morning.

:01:22.:01:24.

It's Wednesday, 28th June. Two weeks

:01:25.:01:35.

on from the Grenfell Tower disaster we hear what life is like for those

:01:36.:01:44.

who've been forced One of the UK's most senior police

:01:45.:01:47.

officers says that a reduction in stop and search has led

:01:48.:01:53.

to an increase in knife crime. Victims tell Breakfast

:01:54.:01:56.

more needs to be done. Very angry. I can see it in my eyes,

:01:57.:02:09.

yeah. This has got to stop. This knife thing has got to stop.

:02:10.:02:14.

Good morning, we could be paying thousands of pounds too much in

:02:15.:02:20.

hidden fees on our pensions. The regulator has managed a crackdown,

:02:21.:02:23.

but many of us are still getting a raw deal.

:02:24.:02:27.

England lose to Germany on penalties Nathan Redmond's miss means they go

:02:28.:02:31.

out at the semi final stage of the under-21

:02:32.:02:33.

I'm playing early morning football with these guys in Manchester to

:02:34.:02:41.

find out more about how teamwork is helping these men and 3,000 like

:02:42.:02:45.

them around the country lose a combined total of more than 32

:02:46.:02:48.

tonnes in weight! For England and Wales, it is a wet

:02:49.:03:00.

start. Some heavy rain around. It will improve in the South East. For

:03:01.:03:03.

Northern Ireland, the rain will clear you and then it will brighten,

:03:04.:03:07.

but the driest conditions of all will be in Scotland. I'll have more

:03:08.:03:10.

details in 15 minutes. See you later. Thank you very much.

:03:11.:03:14.

The families of those who died at Hillsborough will find out

:03:15.:03:20.

later this morning whether anyone will face criminal charges.

:03:21.:03:22.

An inquest ruled last year that the 96 Liverpool fans who died

:03:23.:03:24.

at the stadium in Sheffield in 1989 were unlawfully killed.

:03:25.:03:27.

Our North of England Correspondent Judith Moritz reports.

:03:28.:03:31.

# Walk on, walk on, with hope in your heart...#

:03:32.:03:37.

It was a moment of history, the inquest's finding last year that

:03:38.:03:40.

96 Liverpool fans were unlawfully killed at Hillsborough.

:03:41.:03:44.

For their families, it was justice, but their legal

:03:45.:03:46.

Steve Kelly lost his brother Michael in the disaster.

:03:47.:03:51.

He's spent the 28 years since then calling for those responsible

:03:52.:03:54.

There's got to be this accountability.

:03:55.:04:04.

It's paramount in this whole case to give the families respite

:04:05.:04:08.

and the survivors of Hillsborough and you know, to truly let

:04:09.:04:11.

The fans were killed when the terraces at the Sheffield

:04:12.:04:20.

ground became overcrowded during the 1989 FA Cup semi-final.

:04:21.:04:23.

Since 2012, there have been two criminal inquiries

:04:24.:04:29.

Operation Resolve investigated the day of the disaster.

:04:30.:04:32.

Offences considered include gross negligence manslaughter.

:04:33.:04:38.

One of those waiting to hear whether he'll

:04:39.:04:39.

face charges is former Chief Superintendent

:04:40.:04:41.

David Duckenfield, who was the South Yorkshire

:04:42.:04:43.

The police watchdog, the IPCC, investigated cover-up allegations,

:04:44.:04:50.

It considered offences including misconduct in a public

:04:51.:04:56.

office and perverting the course of justice.

:04:57.:05:02.

The former West Yorkshire Chief Constable, Sir Norman Bettison,

:05:03.:05:05.

has revealed that he's been treated as a suspect by the IPCC.

:05:06.:05:08.

It isn't known whether he will face charges.

:05:09.:05:09.

Hundreds of investigators have been working from these offices

:05:10.:05:11.

for the last four years at a cost of ?100 million.

:05:12.:05:20.

There is an expectation that charges will be brought

:05:21.:05:23.

after such a long wait and such large-scale effort.

:05:24.:05:32.

That decision will be announced to the families

:05:33.:05:33.

Two weeks on from the Grenfell Tower fire, Theresa May has called

:05:34.:05:38.

for a "major national investigation" into the use of cladding

:05:39.:05:42.

Every one of the samples tested from 95 buildings across England

:05:43.:05:47.

Our reporter Simon Jones is at a church in West London

:05:48.:05:52.

where people have been laying tributes to the victims.

:05:53.:05:58.

We have been talking to two women who know Grenfell Tower extremely

:05:59.:06:05.

well. You get the sense that there are so many questions still to be

:06:06.:06:10.

answered? Absolutely. I think you have seen the range of emotions over

:06:11.:06:16.

the past couple of weeks. Initially, the shock and dismay about what had

:06:17.:06:21.

happened. Then the anger and then the reflection and now, people

:06:22.:06:25.

definitely wanting answers. Now, there has been a letter written to

:06:26.:06:29.

Theresa May from local people saying they need a voice and there is some

:06:30.:06:40.

controversy this morning over the chairman Sir Ken Knight because he

:06:41.:06:45.

carried out an investigation into a previous fire in Camberwell that

:06:46.:06:48.

happened a few years ago. He said in that case that he didn't believe

:06:49.:06:52.

that high rises should be forced to fit sprinklers. He said in some

:06:53.:06:57.

cases, it is not economically viable or practical, it is up to the

:06:58.:07:01.

landlord, but that's something he's going to have to revisit. But the

:07:02.:07:04.

people here just want some answers and quickly. We have been speaking

:07:05.:07:09.

to one woman who lives in the shadow of the tower and hasn't been able to

:07:10.:07:13.

return home. A lot of people are further away and

:07:14.:07:18.

for different reasons. I know a lot of my friends and family who are in

:07:19.:07:22.

the tower don't want to be anywhere near the tower and are forced to

:07:23.:07:25.

have to pass it every single day because we have to come to the

:07:26.:07:29.

recovery aid centre that's next to the tower as well. My personally, I

:07:30.:07:33.

can't leave my community. I don't necessarily want to look at it, it's

:07:34.:07:38.

very hard to, but I'm always here. 8am in the morning I'm here and we

:07:39.:07:42.

leave at midnight to go home and sleep or to the hotel and sleep. So

:07:43.:07:47.

a huge effect it is having on residents. I want to show you where

:07:48.:07:50.

we are in relation to the tower. This is the church where people have

:07:51.:07:55.

been coming over the past couple of weeks, leaving flowers and

:07:56.:07:57.

displaying posters of people who have lost their lives or are

:07:58.:08:01.

missing, presumed dead. I think two weeks on, the big thing is the

:08:02.:08:04.

number of questions that still remain. How did this fire take hold

:08:05.:08:09.

so drastically? How many people died in it? That's a question we may

:08:10.:08:13.

never be able to answer. Simon, for the moment, thank you very much.

:08:14.:08:16.

Let's go to Westminster now and to our political

:08:17.:08:18.

Iain, Labour's going to be talking about the Grenfell Tower today

:08:19.:08:23.

to call for more spending for emergency services.

:08:24.:08:29.

That's right, Dan. I think Jeremy Corbyn will be accused by his

:08:30.:08:35.

opponents of trying to politicise the Grenfell tragedy. He certainly

:08:36.:08:39.

argued for greater funding for the police and the Fire Service since

:08:40.:08:42.

the fire occurred and it doesn't seem to have harmed him that

:08:43.:08:44.

approach and the opinion polls, but what it is trying to do today is to

:08:45.:08:49.

amend to change the Queen's Speech, the Government's programme, for the

:08:50.:08:52.

next two years to guarantee that extra funding. He won't win because

:08:53.:08:57.

Theresa May now has the support of ten DUP MPs from Northern Ireland.

:08:58.:09:01.

She can vote down this attempt by Labour in the Commons later on

:09:02.:09:04.

today. That's guaranteed, but I think what Jeremy Corbyn is going to

:09:05.:09:08.

try to do is embarrass Conservative MPs and try to make them feel

:09:09.:09:12.

uncomfortable if they are voting not just against extra funding for the

:09:13.:09:15.

emergency services, but also he is going to say that Labour would lift

:09:16.:09:20.

the public sector pay cap and on the doorsteps, Conservatives who lost

:09:21.:09:23.

the seats at the last election were saying that people felt that perhaps

:09:24.:09:28.

pay restraint and public spending cuts had gone on for too long.

:09:29.:09:31.

Effectively if Conservative MPs are going to be loyal to Theresa May,

:09:32.:09:33.

they're going to have to vote to keep that pay cap and there will be

:09:34.:09:37.

a clear dividing line between the main parties, but what the

:09:38.:09:39.

Conservatives are saying in response is look, if you really want decent

:09:40.:09:43.

public services, you need a strong economy to pay for them and that's

:09:44.:09:46.

something which Labour can't deliver. Iain, thank you.

:09:47.:09:51.

Sinn Fein has accused the Democratic Unionist Party

:09:52.:09:53.

of failing to give any ground in talks to restore devolved

:09:54.:09:55.

They say there had been no movement on the rights of Irish speakers

:09:56.:09:59.

But the DUP has insisted it has no red lines and accused

:10:00.:10:04.

Sinn Fein of being involved in a high-wire act.

:10:05.:10:06.

The deadline for reaching a deal is tomorrow afternoon.

:10:07.:10:11.

Services providing support for people who are older

:10:12.:10:15.

and disabled face more cuts, despite extra money being

:10:16.:10:17.

That's according to research by the directors of adult social

:10:18.:10:22.

The report says more than two-thirds of local authorities had to dip

:10:23.:10:31.

into their financial reserves last year to meet increasing demand.

:10:32.:10:33.

The government says it's provided more funding and will consult on how

:10:34.:10:36.

Former Top Gear presenter Richard Hammond has spoken

:10:37.:10:41.

for the first time about crashing a super car whilst filming

:10:42.:10:44.

He told the Drive Tribe website he was on a practice run for a race

:10:45.:10:54.

when the car veered off the road, tumbled down a hill

:10:55.:10:57.

I was aware that I was up, that I was high, that inevitably the car

:10:58.:11:07.

was going to come down. And yeah, of course, it was a moment of dread oh

:11:08.:11:12.

god, I'm going to die. And also I was aware that the car was taking

:11:13.:11:17.

just such a beating. If you look at those craters, that's a big hole

:11:18.:11:22.

which was impact. It looks like the thing has been dropped from space to

:11:23.:11:27.

have a hole that big. What was going through my mind well, this is it.

:11:28.:11:32.

He had a few scrapes in cars, hasn't he? That was while filming for the

:11:33.:11:34.

Grand Tour. Glad to see he's OK. First introduced as a way

:11:35.:11:40.

of combating crime, the power to stop and search members

:11:41.:11:43.

of the public is one of the most controversial aspects

:11:44.:11:46.

of British policing. In England and Wales,

:11:47.:11:52.

the use of it has more than halved But, in an exclusive interview,

:11:53.:11:55.

one of England's most senior police chiefs has told Breakfast

:11:56.:11:59.

he believes the drop in stop and search has led

:12:00.:12:01.

to a rise in knife crime. Our reporter Tim Muffett

:12:02.:12:04.

has the story. Everytime I go down,

:12:05.:12:05.

people are walking past like it's just a normal day,

:12:06.:12:07.

but that's where my life ended, On the same street in Leicester

:12:08.:12:10.

where Amy's son Tyler was stabbed to death in 2015,

:12:11.:12:24.

Sean was attacked one month before. They stabbed me once in my back

:12:25.:12:26.

which went straight into my artery. If I didn't survive this

:12:27.:12:29.

could be my mum sitting here feeling Amy and Shaun believe jail sentences

:12:30.:12:33.

for knife possession should be longer and that police should be

:12:34.:12:38.

stopping and searching If the stop-and-search was more

:12:39.:12:41.

present then I believe my son Across England and Wales,

:12:42.:12:48.

police are stopping and searching In 2011, there were more

:12:49.:13:06.

than 100,000 stop and searches. According to the most recent

:13:07.:13:13.

Home Office figures that number Those figures relate to searches

:13:14.:13:16.

for offensive weapons. Since 2011, overall knife crime has

:13:17.:13:25.

fallen, but in the past two years it Stop-and-search, legally done,

:13:26.:13:29.

is an absolutely vital Like all police chiefs,

:13:30.:13:37.

Mike Barton was told by the Home Office in 2014 that

:13:38.:13:43.

stop-and-search needed reform. It should be intelligence-led,

:13:44.:13:46.

more effectively targeted. Do you think there is a link

:13:47.:13:51.

between a national decrease in stop-and-search and the recent

:13:52.:13:54.

increase in knife crime? We have not done any hard science

:13:55.:13:56.

to say that there is a direct link, however, we are all bright people

:13:57.:14:01.

and we can all work it out and you've got to say that it's

:14:02.:14:06.

a reasonable hypothesis. West Midlands training centre and a

:14:07.:14:18.

stop and search exercise for officers. This force believes fewer

:14:19.:14:22.

searches can be just as effective. It is not about numbers. Since 2011,

:14:23.:14:28.

2012, we have reduced the amount of stop and searchs that we conduct,

:14:29.:14:32.

but the arrest remains the same. So it would appear now that we are

:14:33.:14:36.

targeting the right people, intell lens-led searches. The Home Office

:14:37.:14:41.

says it supports stop and search when carried out properly and there

:14:42.:14:45.

is no proven link between the number of searches and levels of knife

:14:46.:14:49.

crime. But as a police tactic, it remains controversial.

:14:50.:15:01.

We're joined now by Zubaida Haque who's from the race equality

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It is a vital part of the police armoury, would you agree? I am sure

:15:05.:15:16.

it is in terms of policing, I am sure they have their own motivations

:15:17.:15:21.

for stop and search, and it works in certain instances. The bigger

:15:22.:15:30.

question is, is it an effective strategy for addressing the knife

:15:31.:15:38.

crime and the causes of knife crime, and as important, what are the side

:15:39.:15:43.

effects? What is the counter-productive effect in terms

:15:44.:15:48.

of the impact on the community 's that it focuses on? I suppose it is

:15:49.:15:56.

which one you give more weight to. Do you see the correlation that

:15:57.:16:01.

knife crime goes down as stop and search goes up? I am a statistician,

:16:02.:16:08.

correlations are very complicated, in the sense that if you just say

:16:09.:16:15.

stop and search goes down and knife crime goes up, people she the two

:16:16.:16:19.

are connected, but we live in a society where there is a lot more

:16:20.:16:25.

going on. You have to ask broader questions, what else is going on in

:16:26.:16:31.

society? Knife crime is a symptom of violence that is going up as well.

:16:32.:16:35.

We need to talk about that as well. The other thing is there have been

:16:36.:16:47.

big cuts in youth services since 2010, approximately ?400 million has

:16:48.:16:51.

been cut from youth services, and they have been big cuts in policing.

:16:52.:16:59.

You have to ask, has not had an impact also on crime? And on knife

:17:00.:17:07.

crime? Because knife crime is a reflection of crime per se. We need

:17:08.:17:11.

to look at the wider context. The have to keep going back to the fact

:17:12.:17:18.

that stop and search might be good in particular instances, so it might

:17:19.:17:28.

begin in terms of... There are two reasons why people carry knives. One

:17:29.:17:34.

is for status. That is a less important reason, the major reason

:17:35.:17:38.

is for protection. Stop and search is quite good at addressing status

:17:39.:17:45.

related reasons for carrying knives, because if you take away someone's's

:17:46.:17:53.

knife then, they can think, street cred is not worth it, I would rather

:17:54.:17:58.

just get rid of the knife. But if you take away the knife from someone

:17:59.:18:05.

who is doing it to protect themselves because they fear for

:18:06.:18:08.

their safety, because they fear being victimised, they are likely to

:18:09.:18:14.

go and just get another weapon. A knife is a weapon of choice, take it

:18:15.:18:18.

away, they will either get another knife or another weapon. That is

:18:19.:18:22.

when it stopped and searched does not address the issue. We talked to

:18:23.:18:27.

somebody who had been stabbed, another young lad who had been

:18:28.:18:32.

stopped and searched, he said that it could be done in better ways.

:18:33.:18:37.

What do you say to those communities where young people are dying,

:18:38.:18:40.

especially in London, because of this crime? What do you say about

:18:41.:18:49.

how to stop it? It is not that it is a good tool, it depends how it is

:18:50.:18:56.

used. It is a tool. That is what I would say, there are other tools.

:18:57.:19:02.

Policing per se... Stop and search is about policing. What we have to

:19:03.:19:11.

think about is community policing, a more gentle way of working with

:19:12.:19:15.

communities are building trust with communities, not seeing communities

:19:16.:19:25.

viewing individual young black boys as suspect. Community policing has

:19:26.:19:29.

been a more effective crime prevention, working at grassroots

:19:30.:19:33.

level, getting intelligence from the community, parents trust you and

:19:34.:19:38.

young people trust you. They need to be able to trust police to look

:19:39.:19:42.

after their safety, because if they believe the police are looking after

:19:43.:19:45.

their safety, they will not feel they need to protect themselves.

:19:46.:19:51.

That is the crux of the issue. They fear for their own safety, which is

:19:52.:19:55.

why they carry knives are. So much to talk about.

:19:56.:20:00.

We are a little late for the weather, but an important discussion

:20:01.:20:03.

to be had. It is a wet start across many parts

:20:04.:20:13.

of the UK, and it has been a wet night. Expect a lot of standing

:20:14.:20:18.

water and surface spray. We have seen some torrential downpours over

:20:19.:20:25.

night and this morning. We have heavy downpours around the wash and

:20:26.:20:29.

Cambridge are and Lincolnshire. It curls around through Wales. The

:20:30.:20:36.

course of the morning, it will edge further north, and in Northern

:20:37.:20:39.

Ireland it will edge further south. It brightens up there, but the

:20:40.:20:45.

brightest guys will be in Scotland. Later, it brightens up across the

:20:46.:20:50.

south-east. Near the East coast, there is a cold wind from the North

:20:51.:20:54.

Sea, which is exacerbating the call feel. Into the afternoon, the rain

:20:55.:20:59.

across northern England, moving away from the south. As temperatures

:21:00.:21:04.

rise, it could spark some thundery showers. Full south-west England,

:21:05.:21:09.

the rain will be on and off through the day. It is the same for Wales.

:21:10.:21:15.

The rain will not be terribly far away. For Northern Ireland, the rain

:21:16.:21:22.

has moved south, so it has brightened up. The brightest sky in

:21:23.:21:28.

Scotland will be in the West, but there will be dry weather. Like the

:21:29.:21:32.

East of England, and onshore flow makes it feel cooler. Through this

:21:33.:21:38.

evening and overnight, the main advances northwards. The curl

:21:39.:21:44.

continues down through the south-west and into the English

:21:45.:21:48.

Channel. We are in pretty good shape temperature wise. Tomorrow we start

:21:49.:21:55.

with the rain across northern England, much of Scotland and

:21:56.:22:03.

Northern Ireland. It will be more showery in the South. But there will

:22:04.:22:08.

be a lot of dry weather around, some bright spots of anything. This cool

:22:09.:22:13.

wind coming from the North Sea, extending through the Irish Sea and

:22:14.:22:17.

the Bristol Channel and the English Channel. Under the rain, it is going

:22:18.:22:26.

to feel much cooler, especially on the East Coast. As we head from

:22:27.:22:32.

Thursday into Friday, the low-pressure tracks the weather

:22:33.:22:35.

front with it, taking the rain south. You can see the squeeze on

:22:36.:22:43.

the isobars. It will be windy. There will be some dry weather around as

:22:44.:22:51.

well. It will feel cooler in the wind.

:22:52.:22:56.

The garden needs rain! We all need rain!

:22:57.:23:02.

You have a hair on your shoulder! Excellent!

:23:03.:23:09.

Are we paying too much on pensions? The regulators say so.

:23:10.:23:15.

Shall I do a bit of business news? It is a team effort!

:23:16.:23:17.

You get on with that! The financial regulator has unveiled

:23:18.:23:20.

a crackdown on firms that manage our pensions and investments

:23:21.:23:22.

over complaints they're The market is worth ?7 trillion

:23:23.:23:24.

but critics say it's not clear what charges are imposed by fund

:23:25.:23:30.

managers and higher fees are eating into the value

:23:31.:23:33.

of our retirement savings. Three quarters of UK households

:23:34.:23:37.

currently have a pension invested It says that price competition

:23:38.:23:41.

is weak in a number Gina Miller from SCM Private has

:23:42.:23:46.

been campaigning against unfair fees I have the report here, they say

:23:47.:24:06.

price competition is weak, there are sustained high profits over a number

:24:07.:24:10.

of years. But it is not a revolution. It does not go far

:24:11.:24:15.

enough. It is a proconsumer agenda, but there is a lot of dragging here.

:24:16.:24:21.

This is one of the last industries when it comes to cartel like

:24:22.:24:26.

behaviour, and for ten years I have campaigned to say it has to stop,

:24:27.:24:30.

especially on fees, because about 50% of these are hidden. That is of

:24:31.:24:35.

people's hard earned money that they are handing over. It is wrong. You

:24:36.:24:44.

talk about it being a cartel, but first, why should we care about

:24:45.:24:47.

this? Why would anybody watching this care about fees that they might

:24:48.:24:53.

think about in ten, 20, 30 years? You are handing over your money, you

:24:54.:24:58.

want it to gross or you can look after yourself in your old age. You

:24:59.:25:05.

wanted to pay a fair fee, but you have a right to know what that is.

:25:06.:25:10.

50% of it has been hidden. You think you are paying 1% and you are

:25:11.:25:16.

getting a 5% return, if you are paying two or 3%, you are not

:25:17.:25:22.

getting a huge return on your money. It is the fund managers and the

:25:23.:25:26.

industry that are making a profit, not you, but it is your money, and

:25:27.:25:32.

also because of the ageing of our population, we have to have a better

:25:33.:25:36.

functioning industry. What would you like to see change? Some have

:25:37.:25:42.

described it as the last gravy train in the city, this old boys' club,

:25:43.:25:46.

there is no transparency. What do you want to see change? It is

:25:47.:25:52.

simple, as we do in every other walk of life, have a ticket price, 100%

:25:53.:25:57.

transparency, one single number so people can understand, and also in a

:25:58.:26:03.

format that is regulated, so you can make comparisons. One of the

:26:04.:26:08.

problems of this report is that it says that one single number for

:26:09.:26:13.

retail investors but for institutional investors they are

:26:14.:26:15.

going to give them a better deal and say there have to be a consistent

:26:16.:26:19.

format. Why should ordinary investors be treated as second-class

:26:20.:26:23.

Kapadia to professional institutional investors? Many people

:26:24.:26:29.

will recognise you from the campaign that the one against the Government

:26:30.:26:33.

about the parliamentary approval for Brexit. How different will financial

:26:34.:26:43.

services look after two? -- after Brexit? I have campaigned for this

:26:44.:26:48.

to ten years now, and the shock will come after Brexit, because it is not

:26:49.:26:53.

going to be the industry which has just been able to do as it once, it

:26:54.:26:57.

will have to fight much harder. As we have already seen, the EU almost

:26:58.:27:07.

clinical in the way they are coughing up some of our agencies.

:27:08.:27:14.

Banking may go to Frankfurt. The industry has to think about the

:27:15.:27:20.

impact of Brexit. More later.

:27:21.:27:25.

Earlier on, we talked about the Football League set up to stop -- to

:27:26.:27:36.

help men losing weight. Earlier on, this goal was scored, an absolute

:27:37.:27:40.

belter, and a proper celebration as well.

:27:41.:27:44.

I bet he is pleased that was on the TV.

:27:45.:27:46.

Did he get that? More shortly.

:27:47.:31:07.

Hello, this is Breakfast with Dan Walker and Louise Minchin.

:31:08.:31:22.

Let's bring you up-to-date with the latest news, and Sally will be here

:31:23.:31:26.

in a moment with the sport. A decision on whether anyone

:31:27.:31:28.

will face criminal charges over the Hillsborough disaster will be

:31:29.:31:30.

announced this morning. The Crown Prosecution Service

:31:31.:31:32.

will reveal its intentions at a meeting with victims'

:31:33.:31:34.

relatives this morning. 96 Liverpool fans died

:31:35.:31:36.

at the Sheffield ground Steve Kelly's brother Michael

:31:37.:31:38.

died in the disaster. It's paramount in this whole case

:31:39.:31:48.

to give the families respite and the survivors of Hillsborough

:31:49.:31:52.

and you know, to truly let Two weeks on from the Grenfell Tower

:31:53.:31:55.

fire, Theresa May has called for a "major national

:31:56.:32:08.

investigation" into the use of potentially flammable cladding

:32:09.:32:10.

on high rise buildings. Every one of the samples tested

:32:11.:32:15.

from 95 buildings across England Earlier on Breakfast we heard

:32:16.:32:18.

from Amanda Fernandez, who was evacuated from her home

:32:19.:32:35.

which is next to the Grenfell Tower. A lot of people are far away for a

:32:36.:32:42.

different reasons, a lot of people are forced to pass the tower daily

:32:43.:32:45.

because we have to come to the recovery centre which is next to the

:32:46.:32:49.

tower as well. For me, personally, I cannot leave my community. I don't

:32:50.:32:53.

necessarily want to look at it, it is difficult to. But at 8am every

:32:54.:32:57.

morning we are here, and we leave at midnight to go to the hotel and

:32:58.:32:59.

sleep. Labour says it will challenge MPs

:33:00.:33:01.

today to oppose further austerity. The party will call for more

:33:02.:33:03.

spending on the police and Fire Services, as an amendment

:33:04.:33:06.

to the Queen's Speech, as well as an end to the 1% cap

:33:07.:33:08.

on public sector pay rises. The Conservatives say only

:33:09.:33:13.

they will deliver the economy needed to properly fund the emergency

:33:14.:33:15.

services. Computer systems around the world

:33:16.:33:20.

have been hit by a major cyber-attack affecting banks,

:33:21.:33:22.

retailers, energy firms The companies have been

:33:23.:33:24.

told their computers will remain Experts who have examined the code

:33:25.:33:30.

say it's more sophisticated than the virus used in a global

:33:31.:33:35.

attack last month, This is your favourite story, so I

:33:36.:33:52.

will let you introduce it. Official Cowell news, everybody. -- cow news.

:33:53.:34:00.

And you may have heard the phrase "til the cows home".

:34:01.:34:03.

Well it happened to five-year-old Bella from Cheshire when she played

:34:04.:34:05.

her ukulele to a herd of cows in Llandudno.

:34:06.:34:07.

Here she is with just a few of the herd watching...

:34:08.:34:10.

A few members of the heard come in, and as she continues to play, they

:34:11.:34:19.

move in. I love what she tells her mum. The words are along the bottom

:34:20.:34:25.

of the screen, wait for what she says to her mum...

:34:26.:34:30.

I'm not sure how long she was there for. The cows are clearly enjoying

:34:31.:34:45.

it... Can I do my joke again? Moo-kelele! I'm far too pleased with

:34:46.:34:49.

myself! Matt Allwright's made his

:34:50.:34:51.

career cracking down on Rogue Traders and now he's back

:34:52.:35:01.

with a new series of Watchdog. He'll join us later,

:35:02.:35:04.

with a new addition to his team, She is taking some time off from

:35:05.:35:07.

Breakfast. From being the last governor

:35:08.:35:14.

of Hong Kong to media advisor to the Pope,

:35:15.:35:17.

Chris Patten's worn many He'll join us on the

:35:18.:35:19.

sofa before nine. I would like you to meet Meghan

:35:20.:35:22.

Markle! Oh, my God! Wills and Kate! And after nine, Comedy soap opera

:35:23.:35:33.

'The Windsors' is back. We'll be joined by the actors who

:35:34.:35:35.

play Prince Harry and Meghan Markle. I'm sorry I missed you... It means

:35:36.:35:38.

so much to me, that is Not listening? I was laughing inside

:35:39.:35:54.

at my own joke. In other news... LAUGHTER

:35:55.:36:00.

Have you done that before? Have I done it? Some bad news to bring you

:36:01.:36:08.

this morning... It's awful, sorry -- some bad moos. It's the same old...

:36:09.:36:18.

One of the things I wonder, this talented young team is coming

:36:19.:36:22.

through, I hope that they are not affected by what has happened. It is

:36:23.:36:27.

ready difficult, how do you get over that? You don't! Sorry, lads! It is

:36:28.:36:35.

psychology, stay strong! It's like a film script.

:36:36.:36:37.

Once again, England have lost the semifinal of a football

:36:38.:36:39.

This time it was the Under 21s European Championship -

:36:40.:36:43.

England came from behind to take the lead through

:36:44.:36:45.

But the Germans levelled and after extra time,

:36:46.:36:48.

Nathan Redmond penalty was saved - and the side followed

:36:49.:36:50.

the fate of the senior teams in 1990 and 1996.

:36:51.:36:53.

We've been practising for weeks but in the end of the two players

:36:54.:36:56.

you would put odds on to score every time, the goalkeeper makes

:36:57.:36:59.

a great save so we'll have to take that.

:37:00.:37:01.

It's been a real team effort and I think we can be pleased

:37:02.:37:04.

And in the end we've lost on a penalty shootout and next time

:37:05.:37:09.

Fifa officials investigating alleged corruption were told plans

:37:10.:37:18.

for England to play a friendly in Thailand to win backing

:37:19.:37:20.

for their own World Cup bid were "a form of bribery".

:37:21.:37:23.

The former FA Chairman Geoff Thompson made the admission

:37:24.:37:25.

when interviewed during a Fifa enquiry into the bidding process

:37:26.:37:27.

for the 2018 and 2022 tournaments, won by Russia and Qatar.

:37:28.:37:31.

England's cricketers thrashed Pakistan to get

:37:32.:37:32.

their Women's World Cup campaign back on track.

:37:33.:37:34.

Natalie Sivver and captain Heather Knight both hit their first

:37:35.:37:38.

one-day international centuries, as England reached

:37:39.:37:39.

Pakistan never got close, the rain intervened,

:37:40.:37:42.

Novak Djokovic entered the Aegon International

:37:43.:37:59.

in Eastbourne to get some much-needed grass court practice

:38:00.:38:04.

the good old British weather put paid to that -

:38:05.:38:08.

he only managed one game against Vasec Pospisil

:38:09.:38:10.

And Andy Murray pulled out of an exhibition match

:38:11.:38:14.

at the Hurlingham Club in London, because of a sore hip.

:38:15.:38:17.

It was just a precaution, though, and he is still expected

:38:18.:38:20.

to play there on Friday, before beginning the defence

:38:21.:38:22.

Can I just say, I've managed to get through the entire morning, today

:38:23.:38:33.

and yesterday, without saying popsicle for Vasek Pospisil. We will

:38:34.:38:42.

be keeping a close eye! We will be keeping an eye on you, Sally. Thank

:38:43.:38:43.

you. 20 years ago, Lord Patten

:38:44.:38:44.

and his family watched as the British flag was lowered over

:38:45.:38:46.

Hong Kong and was replaced The last of 28 colonial governors,

:38:47.:38:49.

he returned to the UK where he has since played a pivotal role

:38:50.:38:54.

in Northern Ireland's Peace process, acted as European Commissioner

:38:55.:38:57.

and become a media advisor For the first time,

:38:58.:38:59.

Lord Patten has written about his own experiences

:39:00.:39:02.

in a new book. We'll speak to him in just a moment,

:39:03.:39:04.

but first let's look back The two biggest political

:39:05.:39:07.

parties in Northern news that Chris Patten has

:39:08.:39:41.

been asked to chair the commission on the future

:39:42.:39:44.

of policing there. It is amazing... What a list of

:39:45.:40:21.

jobs. Nice to have you here. Nice to be

:40:22.:40:30.

back in this building. An extraordinary CV, so many things to

:40:31.:40:35.

talk to you about. Let's begin with, you know this from the heart of it

:40:36.:40:40.

all, about the Conservative Party. What is going on in there at the

:40:41.:40:44.

moment and what are your biggest concerns? Actions have consequences.

:40:45.:40:50.

We are coping with the consequences of two prime ministers who have made

:40:51.:40:54.

very bad decisions, trying to cope with the right wing nationalist wing

:40:55.:40:58.

of the Conservative Party. What worries me, at the moment, is that a

:40:59.:41:03.

barn is a bung is a bung, and while I love Northern Ireland, it's one of

:41:04.:41:10.

the most important thing is the country has done for years, but I do

:41:11.:41:16.

worry about what the bung will do to politics. That's how you describe

:41:17.:41:21.

the deal? Absolutely, if you are in Scotland, Wales, Cumbria or the

:41:22.:41:24.

Northeast, you think, if they can have that cash, why can't we?

:41:25.:41:29.

Figures suggest that Northern Ireland, the rest of the country may

:41:30.:41:32.

need more, it gets more public spending than other places. The

:41:33.:41:36.

Conservatives say that they are trying to manage the power that they

:41:37.:41:39.

don't have two hands-on and they signed the deal to make sure they

:41:40.:41:45.

have a majority in government, can you see that side of it? I don't

:41:46.:41:48.

believe that the DUP would have voted down a Conservative

:41:49.:41:53.

government, the alternative is Jeremy Corbyn, he has a certain

:41:54.:41:55.

relationship with the Republicans and Sinn Fein over the years, I do

:41:56.:42:00.

not think they would have voted down a conservative government. The worry

:42:01.:42:04.

is that over time it will weaken the peace process, in the attempt to set

:42:05.:42:08.

up a power executive. There is a real sense where it paints the

:42:09.:42:13.

Conservative Party. Newspapers will go into the opinions and backgrounds

:42:14.:42:17.

of some of these DUP members. I think they've already started, and

:42:18.:42:22.

it doesn't look too good. Given that and the fact that any time somebody

:42:23.:42:27.

wants a pay settlement in the public sector, nurses want more than 1% or

:42:28.:42:33.

whatever, they say, what about Northern Ireland? You've just given

:42:34.:42:37.

them ?1 billion for support in the House of Commons, why can't we have

:42:38.:42:42.

the money? During the campaign, the Prime Minister referred to a magic

:42:43.:42:45.

money tree... It is obviously growing in County Armagh! There's a

:42:46.:42:52.

fictional money tree... Yes, it is true, that people may be fed up with

:42:53.:42:56.

austerity, but we still have national debt which is higher than

:42:57.:43:02.

it was when we all started. While we should probably ease up on

:43:03.:43:05.

austerity, and deal with the fiscal deficit over a longer period, while

:43:06.:43:10.

people like me, the better off, should pay more tax, we cannot

:43:11.:43:13.

simply forget about the importance of controlling public spending. One

:43:14.:43:18.

more on the Conservatives, how long do you think Theresa May will be in

:43:19.:43:23.

power for? I don't know, I find it unseemly that a lot of her

:43:24.:43:26.

ex-colleagues want to dance on the grave. I think that she will be

:43:27.:43:31.

there as long as the Conservative Party find it difficult to discover

:43:32.:43:36.

anyone else they can rally around. Obviously, Brexit negotiations will

:43:37.:43:39.

be at the heart of that. We looked at your CV little, it is extremely

:43:40.:43:44.

impressive. Which was your toughest job? The toughest job was in

:43:45.:43:50.

Northern Ireland, dealing with police. The happiest job was being

:43:51.:43:56.

in Hong Kong, where we had a wonderful time. The most impossible

:43:57.:44:00.

job was being chairman of the BBC Trust. I was not chairman of the BBC

:44:01.:44:05.

but of the regulator and it was all impossible. The new structure is a

:44:06.:44:08.

much better one that does not deal with the real problem at the BBC, it

:44:09.:44:12.

does not have enough money. I would say that even if I wasn't on BBC

:44:13.:44:19.

television. You discuss it quite openly in the book as well... You

:44:20.:44:25.

pay 40p per day for the best radio and television service in the world,

:44:26.:44:28.

if anyone ever grumbles about it, they should be made to watch Fox

:44:29.:44:36.

News or television in Italy. You mentioned being media adviser to the

:44:37.:44:42.

Pope...? It was an attempt to reorganise the Vatican's media

:44:43.:44:47.

organisation. You cannot really advise the Pope, he is so wonderful,

:44:48.:44:52.

Pope John XXIII, and he is so funny. In the book there's a good story

:44:53.:45:00.

about him going across St Peter's Square, giving pilgrims a bowl of

:45:01.:45:05.

disgusting herbal drink... You know it! He takes the bowl, and has a

:45:06.:45:12.

swig and his bodyguard say, holy Father, never do that. He said, was

:45:13.:45:18.

the problem? They were pilgrims, and not Cardinals! He has a very sharp

:45:19.:45:22.

sense of humour. Yes, and he knows a lot of people find his particular

:45:23.:45:31.

way of expressing Christianity and generosity a field station for those

:45:32.:45:34.

with difficulties getting through life. Having strict standards but

:45:35.:45:40.

realising that generosity and forgiveness are the most important

:45:41.:45:42.

things. Some people find that difficult.

:45:43.:45:47.

You touch on Europe in the book. And you have been critical of the EU and

:45:48.:45:54.

their role in certain things as well. I wonder, your view now,

:45:55.:45:59.

looking from the outside in on the bricks and negotiations, where do

:46:00.:46:03.

you think we will be in five years? I don't know, and the trouble is,

:46:04.:46:08.

neither does the Government. During the election campaign, the Prime

:46:09.:46:11.

Minister talked about letting us get on with the plan. They don't have a

:46:12.:46:16.

plan. The person who has come nearest to expressing a sensible way

:46:17.:46:19.

of dealing with this difficult situation is Philip Hammond, but

:46:20.:46:22.

there is no way that you can be outside the EU and have the

:46:23.:46:26.

advantage of being inside. Do you have concerns for your former

:46:27.:46:34.

friends, residents in Hong Kong? I do have a few. After 1997 when the

:46:35.:46:40.

left, China, by and large, kept its hands off. It cut back the attempt

:46:41.:46:47.

to establish democracy, but otherwise, it was fairly distant. In

:46:48.:46:50.

recent years, there have been abductions of people in the street,

:46:51.:46:58.

a gradual tightening of the grip on Hong Kong, and China is asserting

:46:59.:47:01.

itself. We should, in this country, stand up for the people of Hong

:47:02.:47:05.

Kong, because we are responsible for them. Thank you for coming to talk

:47:06.:47:08.

to us. Chris Patten's booked is called

:47:09.:47:09.

First Confession: A Sort of Memoir. Nearly half of us want higher taxes

:47:10.:47:14.

to pay for more spending on health, education and social benefits,

:47:15.:47:17.

according to the British The study by the National Centre

:47:18.:47:19.

for Social Research also found people were becoming more sceptical

:47:20.:47:23.

of the EU. Nearly 3000 people took

:47:24.:47:25.

part in the survey. We've been getting

:47:26.:47:29.

some of your views. If you've not done anything

:47:30.:47:37.

wrong, then there's And if you're not

:47:38.:47:39.

saying anything wrong, then you won't get

:47:40.:47:43.

flagged up, will you? I'm on the side of very much,

:47:44.:47:45.

freedoms are, you know, we should fight for them,

:47:46.:47:48.

they are inalienable, and we shouldn't have

:47:49.:47:49.

to sacrifice freedoms, although we do have to weigh it up

:47:50.:47:52.

against things like protecting ourselves,

:47:53.:47:54.

so I don't necessarily

:47:55.:47:55.

think that we need to I think what we need is more

:47:56.:48:00.

education, because I think us, as people, we abuse the NHS,

:48:01.:48:04.

and I think more money should be spent on educating people in how

:48:05.:48:08.

to look after themselves so they don't have

:48:09.:48:10.

to use the NHS as much. People are already

:48:11.:48:13.

on 20-40% tax, so I think I think it's just how

:48:14.:48:16.

they decide to allocate it. We need skills in this

:48:17.:48:24.

country, here in Manchester and in the rest

:48:25.:48:27.

of the country, not just Therefore, you need

:48:28.:48:29.

the engineers, the doctors, the scientists, and they are welcome

:48:30.:48:33.

in this country, and I do think it's desirable that they can speak

:48:34.:48:37.

English, particularly northern Joining us now is Miranda Phillips

:48:38.:48:39.

from the National Centre Thank you for coming and discussing

:48:40.:48:56.

this with us. I don't want to summarise the whole thing, but I'll

:48:57.:48:59.

be becoming more kind to each other in the way we look at others? Yeah,

:49:00.:49:05.

a little kinder and more soft-hearted. We think there has

:49:06.:49:10.

been a reaction against austerity. There is increased support for

:49:11.:49:14.

higher taxation to spend more on public services like health,

:49:15.:49:18.

education and social benefits, and we see a softening of attitudes

:49:19.:49:22.

towards benefit recipients, too, so that sums it up in some ways. We are

:49:23.:49:27.

tougher in other areas, certainly in terms of national security. Is that

:49:28.:49:31.

because of what has happened recently? It is quite a big focus.

:49:32.:49:35.

It is a consistent finding over time. We have been working on

:49:36.:49:41.

tracking attitudes for over 30 years, and on national security,

:49:42.:49:44.

civil liberties and where the balance should lie, attitudes are

:49:45.:49:49.

very stable, and our data were collected before the recent attacks

:49:50.:49:53.

in Manchester and London, so I don't think it is a response to the most

:49:54.:49:57.

recent situation. You asked whether or not the Government should be able

:49:58.:50:01.

to tap into phones at times of heightened terrorist threat - what

:50:02.:50:06.

do people say? A clear majority are happy for things like that to

:50:07.:50:10.

happen, not just tapping phones but also an appetite for the Government

:50:11.:50:13.

to have more powers in terms of detention without trial. 53% say

:50:14.:50:20.

they would be happy for detention to happen indefinitely. Is that people

:50:21.:50:26.

becoming more Draconian? Interestingly, attitudes aren't

:50:27.:50:28.

changing on this particularly. This is a stable view for the public.

:50:29.:50:33.

They seem to feel that some infringement of Civil Liberties is

:50:34.:50:37.

acceptable when it comes to protecting citizens. Were you

:50:38.:50:42.

surprised by the findings? One of the most surprising findings is on

:50:43.:50:48.

attitudes to our personalise. We have seen a shift on attitudes to

:50:49.:50:53.

same-sex relationships, for example. In 1987, at the height of the AIDS

:50:54.:50:57.

crisis, just one in ten people thought they were not wrong at all,

:50:58.:51:06.

and that has gone up to 64% now, a huge change. It is the use of older

:51:07.:51:14.

groups and religious groups who are changing their views the most and

:51:15.:51:19.

the quickest, and they are the groups who would traditionally have

:51:20.:51:23.

been opposed to these things. Went to the next results,? Another year.

:51:24.:51:28.

We will need to get you to come back. -- when do the results come

:51:29.:51:32.

out next? Here's Carol with a look

:51:33.:51:35.

at this morning's weather. The rain is continuing to fall,

:51:36.:51:50.

rotating around this low-pressure area. It is heavy in eastern

:51:51.:51:54.

England. Behind it, it will brighten, but there could be

:51:55.:51:59.

thunderstorms. Northern Ireland will brighten up, but the driest weather

:52:00.:52:03.

will be across Scotland. The sunniest conditions will be in the

:52:04.:52:09.

West. Temperatures 12-19dC. This evening and overnight, rain advances

:52:10.:52:12.

to the North, getting through northern England, into Scotland and

:52:13.:52:17.

Northern Ireland. This cold wind comes in from the North Sea, and a

:52:18.:52:27.

range of temperatures from 11-13dC. Tomorrow, the rain will affect

:52:28.:52:32.

Scotland and Northern Ireland more, also affecting Wales. A lot of dry

:52:33.:52:36.

weather nonetheless. Sunshine comes through, but if you are exposed to

:52:37.:52:41.

the wind, it will feel a bit on the nippy side. Heading into Friday,

:52:42.:52:45.

this whole system starts to sink South and we can, so the rain coming

:52:46.:52:54.

south would be as heavy. The range is -- the wind changes direction to

:52:55.:53:00.

northerly. A few showers in the south. High temperature of 22

:53:01.:53:00.

Celsius. A Sikh shopkeeper who called his

:53:01.:53:09.

convenience store "Singhsburys" has come up with a new name

:53:10.:53:23.

after the supermarket chain The tiny shop in North Tyneside

:53:24.:53:25.

is now called "Morrisinghs". The shopkeeper is Jel Singh Nagra

:53:26.:53:29.

and he's in our Newcastle studio. Good morning to you. Tell me, you

:53:30.:53:40.

had to change the original name, did you? Yes. It was about six years

:53:41.:53:50.

ago. The name was chosen by the previous owner. I took over. It was

:53:51.:53:57.

a bit too close in terms of the font and colour to the supermarket, so we

:53:58.:54:02.

had to take it down. Were you testing Morrisons by going for

:54:03.:54:10.

Morrisinghs? Know. Everyone still called it Singhsburys, but with the

:54:11.:54:14.

post office closing down and there being a refit, we wanted to give it

:54:15.:54:19.

a new lease of life. We wanted to put it on the map as well, so we

:54:20.:54:25.

picked second back. How is it going with the new name? It has gone

:54:26.:54:30.

worldwide. It has been a crazy few days. It is banter, and us northerns

:54:31.:54:39.

like that. It hasn't done business any harm, and Morrisons have been

:54:40.:54:43.

absolutely brilliant. Is that Morrisons or Morrisinghs? Morrisons!

:54:44.:54:51.

So they have a sense of humour and they are happy for you to continue

:54:52.:54:55.

with that name? They have actually wish us luck and said that us and

:54:56.:55:00.

our customers have good taste. Are you thinking of rolling it out, this

:55:01.:55:05.

shop, having more of them? No, I am struggling to cope with this one,

:55:06.:55:11.

never mind another! It is hard. I am doing 90- odd hours a week, but I'm

:55:12.:55:20.

happy. I don't actually live in the area, but I travel there, and it is

:55:21.:55:25.

such a lovely place. If anyone is passing, come in. I love the way you

:55:26.:55:32.

are advertising the brand as well! Oh, yes! Do you have any sympathy

:55:33.:55:35.

for Sainsbury is trying to protect their brand? Yes, I do. The last

:55:36.:55:40.

time, it was the same colour and font as there is. There are other

:55:41.:55:47.

Sainsbury 's signs out there that are different colours and have been

:55:48.:55:52.

left alone, but ours was just too close. I inherited that when I took

:55:53.:55:57.

over the business. If you ever need to change Morrisinghs, you could go

:55:58.:56:10.

for, wait for it. Mac Marks Singhers. -- you could go for...

:56:11.:56:22.

Marks Singhers. There are a few out there. It is all good banter.

:56:23.:56:27.

Good luck. I think the shop will be full. The man behind the magnificent

:56:28.:56:30.

Singhsburys! -- Morrisinghs! Steph's here, and she's brought

:56:31.:56:43.

Matt Allwright with her. You're here to talk

:56:44.:56:45.

about Watchdog Live. What sort of things have you been

:56:46.:56:55.

covering? Is the programme changing? It is live and in Salford. I am not

:56:56.:57:00.

going to that London any more - bring it up yet! We will be live

:57:01.:57:06.

every Wednesday at 8pm, and we have loads of cracking stories. We are

:57:07.:57:10.

jamming the stuff in, every so much content. It is almost brimming over

:57:11.:57:15.

the top. Are we better at complaining these days? Mr

:57:16.:57:22.

Morrisinghs there was talking about how social media got things done

:57:23.:57:28.

weak that out there, and we use that to complain. -- social media gets

:57:29.:57:42.

things out there. People can achieve things by the end of the programme,

:57:43.:57:49.

that's the beauty of it being live. There are some things you have been

:57:50.:57:52.

looking at that people possibly won't want to know about over

:57:53.:57:56.

breakfast, but do tell us. We are doing our thing on hygiene every

:57:57.:58:01.

week, because it is quite scary... Look at your face, because you know

:58:02.:58:05.

what's coming. We did a test in various coffee shops around the

:58:06.:58:08.

country, and one of the things that came out as fairly shocking was when

:58:09.:58:12.

we tested the ice will stop you know the ice you get in your blended

:58:13.:58:20.

drinks in a copy shop? Summer drinks? -- coffee shop. There was a

:58:21.:58:29.

very unpleasant bacterium found on them. Without going into too much

:58:30.:58:33.

detail, it could have come from people not washing their hands

:58:34.:58:37.

properly and then serving the ice. Are we talking to? You weren't meant

:58:38.:58:47.

to say that! That's quite serious. We're talking about three of the

:58:48.:58:51.

biggest coffee chains here, and they have all said they are looking at

:58:52.:58:55.

their policies, retraining staff. They take it really seriously. Also,

:58:56.:59:02.

cost say they are changing the scoops that they use for serving the

:59:03.:59:19.

ice. -- Costa. We are looking at sales people and their practices.

:59:20.:59:23.

This week, we are looking at the company that sells a wall coating.

:59:24.:59:30.

And the way they selling it -- they sell it, and the way they cold call

:59:31.:59:34.

people, it's completely unacceptable. There is a customer of

:59:35.:59:38.

theirs who suffered from Alzheimer's who was told to leave the property

:59:39.:59:43.

at a comeback, not once but twice. The new series starts tonight at 8pm

:59:44.:59:50.

on BBC One. And I will be back at one point. I'm not going completely.

:59:51.:00:02.

Six weeks. I'm getting sleep! You know how I feel about that, Steph.

:00:03.:00:04.

Well done! It's called Man v Fat -

:00:05.:00:08.

a football competition 24 leagues across the UK set up

:00:09.:00:10.

specifically to help Set up up two years ago,

:00:11.:00:17.

the men taking part have so far lost a combined total of more

:00:18.:00:21.

than 4,000 stone. Kat Downes is pitchside

:00:22.:00:23.

in Manchester for us this morning. The numbers are staggering? They

:00:24.:00:38.

are. I will speak to somebody who lost 27% of his body weight. Through

:00:39.:00:42.

playing football, getting into weight loss by playing football,

:00:43.:00:45.

changing lifestyles completely. That is what it is all about, getting men

:00:46.:00:50.

engaged in weight loss and changing the way that they eat and the way

:00:51.:00:54.

that they live. Getting more active and healthy. Some zumba classes and

:00:55.:01:04.

Bikini diets did not work, these men got together with other guys to shed

:01:05.:01:08.

stones, and it has been successful. 3000 men across the country have

:01:09.:01:14.

lost a combined total of more than 30 tonnes. I'm joined by the founder

:01:15.:01:19.

ducking the footballs on the side of the here. We are in serious danger

:01:20.:01:25.

he! What gave you the idea to set this up? The fact that there was

:01:26.:01:31.

nothing out there for men. There was injustice, everything seemed to be

:01:32.:01:36.

targeted exclusively at women. There didn't seem to be anything suitable

:01:37.:01:38.

for men that would provide support and provide accountability. When you

:01:39.:01:44.

are looking to lose weight. And how does it work? Goals on the pitch

:01:45.:01:49.

count but also weight loss goals? It is all about combining scores

:01:50.:01:51.

between those weighing is that we have before the game and on the

:01:52.:01:57.

pitch. Between those, we get the final score for the game and that is

:01:58.:02:02.

how we decide on matches. The camaraderie and teamwork, run us

:02:03.:02:07.

through those team names, we've been loving it. They are all generated by

:02:08.:02:17.

players, things like Chafing the Dream, and in Manchester we had B-17

:02:18.:02:22.

Stone Raises! And you are the dietician who works with the group,

:02:23.:02:29.

is not all about working with football? Men have seen dieting is

:02:30.:02:34.

something that women do that we underpin everything that they do

:02:35.:02:37.

with healthy eating lifestyle changes that make such a big

:02:38.:02:41.

difference long-term. The teamwork and working for a team, scoring

:02:42.:02:46.

points, with nutritional principles, that is working for these guys.

:02:47.:02:53.

Then, you lost 27% of your body weight. You bought so much into the

:02:54.:03:00.

philosophy that you are now a coach with the group. That philosophy gets

:03:01.:03:04.

everyone to stick with their goals of weight loss, how important is it

:03:05.:03:08.

that you have these guys you play football with? It is easy to let

:03:09.:03:16.

yourself down and say, you start next Monday, but if you delay, you

:03:17.:03:21.

could get minus points. It is important to get straight to it.

:03:22.:03:26.

Brilliant, your story is remarkable. The guys have been playing for BBC

:03:27.:03:35.

Breakfast Benefit, we have several teams and I can hand the BBC

:03:36.:03:40.

Breakfast man versus that trophy to the winning team this morning. Thank

:03:41.:03:44.

you for giving up your time and playing hours of football. The

:03:45.:03:48.

winning team is... Manchester! CHEERING

:03:49.:04:03.

CLAPPING STUDIO: Locale much it means. And

:04:04.:04:09.

earlier on, Dan, you spotted an excellent goal?

:04:10.:04:12.

Earlier on when we were talking to Kat - there was a brilliant goal

:04:13.:04:15.

A quick turn of pace and a big curl into the corner. Absolutely

:04:16.:04:23.

fantastic. Not a bad touch for a big fella. And he will have lost weight,

:04:24.:04:30.

scoring goals because of the weight that he lost. So many people have

:04:31.:04:35.

asked about it today. If you go onto BBC Breakfast social media today,

:04:36.:04:39.

there's more information about how you can sign up. And if you lost

:04:40.:04:43.

your target weight, I was concerned you could not play any more but you

:04:44.:04:44.

can. Congratulations to our winners. That's all from me this morning, I

:04:45.:04:47.

look at the headlines That's all from me this morning, I

:04:48.:06:23.

will be back with lunchtime news at 1:30pm.

:06:24.:06:30.

Scheming, affairs, and a close call to overthrow the Monarchy -

:06:31.:06:32.

there was a lot to pack in to the last series

:06:33.:06:35.

of 'The Windsors' - which is a comedy soap opera

:06:36.:06:38.

This year is no different, with the addition of actor

:06:39.:06:46.

Kathryn Drysdale, who plays Prince Harry's new

:06:47.:06:48.

We'll meet her in a moment, as well as Richard Goulding who's

:06:49.:06:52.

First, let's take a look at the new series.

:06:53.:06:57.

She's feeling a little unsure of herself, I'm taking her to meet dad

:06:58.:07:03.

and Camilla later. I can give you some pointers... Would you? They can

:07:04.:07:10.

be more for more than us... I think we said the Dresden china, Baines.

:07:11.:07:16.

Let's begin, now. Listen, broke, I'm worried about this meeting with dad

:07:17.:07:20.

and Camilla. Great-uncle Edward had to abdicate because he fell in love

:07:21.:07:24.

with an American divorcee. How did you know that? By watching The Crown

:07:25.:07:31.

on Netflix. Meghan is an American divorcee, I cannot be expected to

:07:32.:07:34.

learn another language by living in France. That was years ago, the

:07:35.:07:41.

modern royal family is completely different now. No, Baines, that is

:07:42.:07:42.

the Devonport! It is so naughty! I was caught

:07:43.:07:45.

Singh, when you see -- I was corpsing! Does that happen

:07:46.:08:03.

a lot on set? Yes, I was asked who was the worst at corpsing, and I

:08:04.:08:08.

thought it was me. It happens a lot, it's a very funny show. What is the

:08:09.:08:12.

reaction? Take us back to the first series, did you expect it to go down

:08:13.:08:17.

so well? To be honest, I didn't. I thought it would be a little

:08:18.:08:21.

shocking and on the edge. It felt like a one-off experiment. But it

:08:22.:08:28.

has caught the element of the public imagination in some way, I've never

:08:29.:08:31.

been recognised on the streets before and that has happened. You

:08:32.:08:35.

talk about it being shocking and on the edge, maybe that is where the

:08:36.:08:39.

humour has to come from? Absolutely, it's important to do stuff that has

:08:40.:08:43.

ruffled a few feathers and I think it has in certain quarters but that

:08:44.:08:49.

is a good thing. Did you watch the first series? I did, I already knew

:08:50.:08:56.

Hugh, who plays Prince William, I absolutely loved it. I barely

:08:57.:08:59.

laughed. When you play a character like Meghan Markle, -- I really

:09:00.:09:06.

laughed. When she comes to this country she is on the front pages of

:09:07.:09:11.

the newspapers, people talk about her all the time. Does that come

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with responsibility, as well as that comedy element? I think so, there is

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a fascination with her at the moment. But because the world of The

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Windsors is very different, there is so much we can get away with. The

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freedom, especially within my wardrobe... I did not feel too much

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of a huge pressure to represent the real Meghan Markle. Exactly, you,

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presumably, do not think he represent the real Prince Harry...?

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But they are the royal family. Some people hold them very dear. And

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there you are, colouring them, really? There are some elements

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where it is important to be mindful that you are playing a real person

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who is alive, and as Harry recently said in the press, has a sensitive

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side. Comments about his own mental health and so one, we are very

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respectful of that. I wanted to mention that, in the last week he

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has revealed so much about what he has been through. It must impact

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you, in some ways? It impacts on everybody, what he says is brave and

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important. There is that side of it, but The Windsors is a ridiculous

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flight of fancy and does not bear any resemblance to the real people.

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In the end, I think, for all of its naughty humour, it is rather

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touching. I love that you have played Prince Harry in two different

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series! In The Crown, King Charles the third committee played Harry,

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that was a feature length film. Twice, that must be a result, as an

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actor? I don't have ginger hair, but as soon as it is dyed ginger, people

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say, you must played Prince Harry? I say yes, I'm a professional Prince

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Harry! Do you have any anecdotal evidence, have you heard anything

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about any of the Royal family possibly watching this? You have,

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haven't you? I did, I heard a rumour that possibly Beatrice watched it,

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but I don't know if that was true. The first day on set, I said, I

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don't know if you know that they watch it... A couple of crew members

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said that it was possibly Beatrice, but I do not know if that is true.

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What is good from your point of view is that there is a new character to

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play! I know! That is great from the point of view of the series. It can

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reinvent itself, having fresh characters in it every year, however

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often it may happen... Especially if they marry... Exactly! Have you

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planned your dress? ... Yes! You have freedom

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over the wardrobe, as you say. All of the best for the second series.

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Have you met Prince Harry yet? No, I would really like to. It would be

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lovely to have a drink with him one day, and apologise. You say you are

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a professional Prince Harry, do you think they are watching the

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programme somewhere and having a giggle? I would love to think that

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they would sit down and have time to have a beer and giggle at us doing a

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version of themselves but no. I doubt they have time and would give

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two figs about it! I appreciate your honesty! Thank you.

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The Windsors is on next Wednesday evening on Channel 4 at 10 o'clock.

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Thank you to both of you. We will leave you this morning with some of

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the tributes outside of the church near Grenfell Tower. It is two weeks

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on from the disaster that killed at least 79 people. We spoke to

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residents there this morning. With powerful testimony from them, the

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feeling in the community where there are so many unanswered questions.

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The Victoria Derbyshire show is there this morning on BBC Two,

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speaking to survivors and trying to get answers to some of those

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questions. That's all from us on BBC Breakfast, back tomorrow, goodbye

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for now. Across the country,

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11 million people But how would their landlords manage

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living as tenants?

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