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This is East Midlands Today, with Kylie Pentelow, and me, Dominic

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Heale. Our top story tonight: A young boy and his grandmother are

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found dead in a lake. The grandmother's body was recovered

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last night. The six-yea-old was found hours later. This may well be

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one of those cases where we never fully establish how the accident

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happened. A grim discovery beneath a motorway.

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Workers find the remains of a missing Leicestershire man.

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knowing and speculation can now end. He can now be laid to rest and we

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can say goodbye properly. Plus, a judge tells the man at the

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centre of a huge police operation for owning explosives and guns that

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he faces a sentence of over 10 years.

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And an avalanche of snowdrops - the garden where they grow over 240

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Good evening, welcome to the programme. First tonight, a six-

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year-old boy had been spending half-term with his grandma in

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Lincolnshire, but the stay ended in tragedy. The boy's mother, from

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Leicestershire, alerted police when the two failed to return home. They

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had stopped off at a lake popular as a place to feed the ducks. Hours

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later, they were both found dead in the water. The police believe it

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was a tragic accident. It happened just outside Castle Bytham in the

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village of Holywell, which is between Melton and Bourne. Our

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reporter Simon Ward is at the scene now. Good evening, Simon. Good

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evening. Yes, this is the Lake where what appears to have been an

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accident took place. The six-year- old was staying with his

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grandmother but when he was and returned home just after 9pm last

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night, his mother called the police. An RAF rescue search and -- search-

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and-rescue Hollick -- helicopter was called. The bodies were found

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but they could not be resuscitated. At 4 am this morning, the body of

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the boy was found under the water. At this stage, the police are not

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sure what happened. We believe from the work we did last night and

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allow inquiries today, that this is a very tragic accident. We have

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offices providing support to the family and we are working with the

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coroner to work out why this tragic accident happened. The police

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haven't named the dead people but we know the grandmother lived

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nearby in Castle Bytham and I have been getting reaction from local

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people. It is absolutely tragic. It is somebody's family. The loss of

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the oldest generation of a family and the youngest. Tragic. Heartfelt

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sympathy to for the family. And for everybody involved. Absolutely

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horrified. Everybody here is a very tight-knit community. Everybody

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looks out for everybody. We have been unfortunate to have some

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unlucky incidents in the last 12 months and the way it everybody has

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rallied his phenomenal. Tonight, the police are working on a number

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of theories. Did they come to feed the ducks? It is certainly a very

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picturesque place. Or dig one of them falling and the other tried to

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rescue them. -- did one? Postmortem examinations are taking place today

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and the police will officially named the grandmother and the boy

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on Monday. Next tonight, a wife has described

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the discovery of her missing husband as all of her worst

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nightmares come true. Vinnie Derrick, from Castle Donington in

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Leicestershire, went missing after a night out in Manchester eight

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years ago. Detectives say they don't yet know exactly how he died,

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as Carol Hinds reports. 28-year-old Vinnie Derrick went

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missing after a work night out in Manchester in August 2003. Today,

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at a press conference, his wife, Vicki, said the discovery of her

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husband's remains is a moment she has been dreading for the past

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eight years. I have always said and believe that whatever happened to

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Vinnie happened on that night. Those fears have now been confirmed.

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Eight years on, it isn't any easier to bear. We are devastated. Police

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officers have confirmed that Highways Agency workers who were

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clearing graffiti under a flyover in Stockport made the discovery on

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Wednesday. They initially thought it was a football before realising

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it was skeletal remains. We have still got specially-trained

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officers at the scene and there is an awful lot of work to be done. It

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will take much time and care and it is not something that can be done

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quickly. It is definitely going to take all of today and maybe most of

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Saturday and through the rest of the weekend. Vicki Derrick says

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that finely knowing what happened to her husband will help bring

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closure but the discovery doesn't make it easier for the family.

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Vinnie can now be laid to rest and we can say goodbye properly. He was

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loved by so many people and I have so many memories that I will

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treasure forever. Detectives are trying to establish how Vinnie died

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and if there were any suspicious circumstances.

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Vicki, Vinnie's widow, phoned his mother in Long Eaton to tell her

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the news. Tonight she has spoken to our reporter Helen Astle. It was

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5pm last night. She said, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to tell you it

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was Vinnie. And I just went to pieces because half of view was

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probably hoping it was... But you were still thinking, no, it cannot

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be my boy. He can't have been there all this amount of time. It is not

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at home... I thought we would go for years and years, still hoping

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and praying he would come back through that door. But I suppose in

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your heart of hearts, you knew that wasn't going to happen, knowing

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Vinnie is a guy who never would have left home in the first place.

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You say you have got him back. But what does that mean? Because it is

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not the ending you hoped for? always said I wanted to bury him in

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peace. I thought that weather -- wherever he was, it was not where

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he wanted to be. He was not safe where he was. So if you can say

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that is a good thing that we can do that, but it is not in a way that

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we wanted him to be. A man's been told he faces at least

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ten years in jail for making an explosive and for possessing guns

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illegally. Darren James, from Bulwell, appeared in court today.

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The discovery of the chemicals used to make the explosive prompted a

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huge police operation last year, as James Roberson reports.

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In October last year, dozens of police descended on this area of

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Nottingham. They discovered suspicious chemicals. Hundreds of

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locals and school children were evacuated from houses and a school.

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Bomb-disposal teams arrived and then came this... A controlled

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explosion on the substance. Today, Darren James pleaded guilty at

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Nottingham Crown Court of 13 charges, including making and

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possessing the explosive nitroglycerine and possessing three

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guns illegally. His barrister told the judge here that his crime was

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eccentric. He was a loner with no agenda, despite the fact he had

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admitted possessing firearms and an explosive. But the judge,

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adjourning the case to next month, told James that such were the

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seriousness of his charges, he must put himself for his sentence in

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excess of 10 years. -- must prepare himself.

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Next tonight, big changes to the NHS. The Prime Minister is pressing

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ahead with reforms aimed at making the health service more productive.

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However, his parliamentary bill has been beset by criticism. So Labour

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turned up the political heat today and in one Nottinghamshire town

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staged a protest. But, as Quentin Rayner reports, some locals there

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are in favour of change. Good morning, ladies. We are here

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to save the NHS. Labour Party members were out

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drumming up opposition to the Health and Social Care Bill.

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Nationally so far, 120,000 signatures have been collected and

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a few more were added this morning to the petition. The protest was

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organised by a local MP anxious to stress the rejection of a bill for

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bodies representing nurses, midwives and doctors. Despite

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scores of amendments and three Cabinet ministers thought to have

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doubts about the goal, the Prime Minister says he is at one with his

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beleaguered Health Secretary. So is this a lost cause? We don't think

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it is a lost battle. We're getting tremendous support from the Royal

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Colleges, doctors and nurses. They are saying no to this bill, leave

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our health service alone. Government says the changes are

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needed to make the National Health Service 4% more effective. GPs and

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clinicians will have much more responsibility for spending the

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budget and there will be greater emphasis on the private sector.

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Some are in favour of reforms. it releases power to the doctors,

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that is a good thing. It will probably bring more technology.

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don't think they should alter it. Leave it as it is. I don't like

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changes but that is me. The Prime Minister may be set on seeing the

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Bill passed but opposition is still rife.

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So, exactly what are these NHS reforms about and how will they

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affect us in the East Midlands? Our political editor, John Hess, joins

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us in the studio. This health bill is becoming quite a minefield for

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David Cameron? Managing change in any complex organisation is tough.

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But the going gets more difficult when budgets are being squeezed to

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liberate efficiency savings. The headlines become unwelcome and

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politically damaging. The latest figures for cancelled hospital

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operations in the East Midlands are one example. They reveal that 376

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operations were called off at short notice at Leicester's three

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hospitals between October and December. They are the highest of

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any NHS Trust in England. And not far behind are the Nottingham

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hospitals, where 356 operations were cancelled. They are two of the

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biggest NHS Trusts in the UK, with huge demand on critical care beds.

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But compare those figures with 78 cancellations at Derby. That's more

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in line with the national average. Would the Government's NHS reforms

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solve that? Under the changes, consortiums of GPs control the

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budgets and commission, and purchase health care. The

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Government say that will make the NHS more responsive to patient

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needs. In the Leicestershire district of Charnwood and

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Rushcliffe, near Nottingham, GP consortia are already up and

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running. One former Health Secretary says reform is needed.

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think it's a good idea to put in the clinical input, the purges the

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services, by getting the GPs in and the debate is becoming hysterical.

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The management of the hordes of us is very complex. Most don't have

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the time to work out exactly how the NHS is run and the money is

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distributed. It continues to need reform. On the NHS reforms, Labour

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want to "drop the bill". The Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley, is

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determined to tough it out. But if a succession of negative NHS

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headlines continue, the Prime Minister may embark on some

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political surgery of his own. There are more details on my blog. And

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both Ken Clarke and Graham Allen will be our guests for the Sunday

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Politics programme in the East Midlands, on BBC One from 12pm with

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Marie and Andrew Neil. A senior Nottinghamshire police

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officer has apologised to a coroner for delays in staff training. It

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came at an inquest into the death of a teenager who died in police

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custody. Reece Staples collapsed and died after swallowing packets

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of cocaine which he'd smuggled from Costa Rica. Police officers were

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unaware of national guidelines that said he should have been taken

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straight to hospital, as Sarah Teale reports.

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Former Nottingham Forest Academy player Reece Staples died in June

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2009. He was arrested and taken to a police station. He had just

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returned from Costa Rica, where he had swallowed 19 packets of cocaine

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and smuggle them into the UK. At the inquest into his death,

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Assistant Chief Constable Paul Broadbent was asked why police

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officers had ignored Reece when he told them what he had done. New

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guidelines were introduced in 2007. They stated anybody suspected of

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swallowing drugs should be given medical attention straight away.

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Though that policy was available on the force internet, no staff were

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given formal training until late last year. More than two years

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after Reece died. Today, the Assistant Chief Constable said that

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was unfortunate and regrettable. He said, I apologise it took a long

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time. Five police officers have since been disciplined for their

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handling of the case. An inquest jury is expected to deliver a

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verdict on Reece's death shortly. Jobs at Rolls-Royce in Derby have

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been made more secure thanks to a multi-million pound agreement

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between Britain and France to build nuclear power stations.

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Next tonight, the uncertain future facing our high streets. A new

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survey says 14 shops a day are closing in the UK. But figures for

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the East Midlands show our region may be bucking that trend. Today,

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we went back to one of the three shopping streets that we're

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focusing on throughout this year. Simon Hare has more details.

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Here on the Strand in Derby, Chris Lings began selling clothes and for

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more than 20 years, he has traded in jewellery and other gifts. But

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on Saturday, he will be closing. He says recent changes to the road

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system in the area have killed off his trade. Very sad after all this

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time. It has been a big part of our lives. He will be keeping his

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second store in Ashbourne and continuing to sell online. Anew

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survey published today has found that on average, 14 shops run by a

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major retailers close every day across Britain. But the East

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Midlands has actually bucked that trend, with a net gain of four

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shops in recent months, and recent figures released today show a

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surprise rise in sales of almost 1%. We are seeing a changing scene on

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the High Street, which is a move away, with shops going into

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administration and a move towards a put -- proliferation of charity

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shops and pawnbrokers. A quick stroll down the Strand shows a

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similar mixed picture. But when this shop shut -- shops next week,

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it will become the 8th empty shop in the arcade. That is almost half

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the trouble number of promises. And we will be keeping an hour on

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the three of our chosen streets this year.

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Now for the sport. All the Friday build-up from me,

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starting with an absolute must-win for Nottingham Forest. They face

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Coventry, who are also haunted by relegation. At least top-scorer

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Marcus Tudgay, who's missed the last two matches with illness, is

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fit again. Jeremy Nicholas reports on a proper six-pointer.

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When the two teams met at Coventry earlier in the season, Steve

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Cotterill watched from the stands, having just agreed to take over as

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boss. Four months on, his side is keeping him awake at night. It is

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tough. Sleepless nights of aplenty at the moment. All games are vital

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when you're in the relegation zone, but especially those against your

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fellow strugglers. On Tuesday, while Nottingham Forest were losing,

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Coventry beat Leeds by the same score to be level on points. Both

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clubs are six points adrift from safety. It was a massive game after

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what has gone on but now it is even bigger because we have to take

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points away from our relegation rivals. The Captain can take

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inspiration from a regiment cycling distance from Nottingham to

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Afghanistan to raise money for the soldier charity. You are a sergeant

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and used to link -- to telling him what to do. What would you say to

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the men on Saturday? I would say, carry on as you finish the second

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half. I am hoping we will win. It is a game we could quite easily win.

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If they play as they did last week, made it seem settled and they

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should be OK. If they go down, we go down but I will still come and

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support them. We want to get results for them. I said to the

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lads, they don't come along every week. They come along because they

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support you. So Nottingham Forest have a mountain to climb a but

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Marcus Tudgay is back from illness and a win will be just what the

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doctor ordered. Well, our top Championship side,

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Derby County, head to Southampton. The Rams were disappointing against

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Reading on Tuesday night. So a chance for Nigel Clough's young

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side to make amends. The youngsters are learning what it is like in

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front of 20,000 odd people who want to see a better performance and

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chances created. They have got to be on the ball and want it. And

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then this season, next season, everybody will be better for it.

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For Leicester City, a chance to put Championship football to one side,

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as they face Norwich in the FA cup. The Foxes under massive scrutiny

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this season as their multi-million pound squad have struggled with

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consistency. And the captain admits it hasn't always been easy. Matt

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Mills gives Angela the lowdown on He signed last summer at the club

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he supported as a boy, but arriving with a �5 million price tag means

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it hasn't been plain sailing. People expect you to keep a clean

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sheet and score every week, and as you know, that isn't really going

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to happen. The price tag puts a certain pressure on. I am sure I

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have fans who like me and those that don't. But I am determined to

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turn everybody to liking me. He had a chance to sign to a few teams.

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The captaincy has been an added bonus. When I signed here, and I

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was given that honour, it was fantastic. Obviously, supporting

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Leicester when I was growing up. Now to be here and wearing that

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armband every Saturday and Tuesday is very special. His love of

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football is evident on the pitch and off it. It is no wonder given

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his background. I have three brothers, two order who are

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professional. My younger brother plays for Reading. That is

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fantastic for him. This weekend, a chance to put Championship football

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to one side and face Norwich in the FA Cup. No doubt where Leicester

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City's biggest focus lies. You only get one career and one chance. When

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I first signed for the club it was my aim to get into the Premier

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League and if I don't achieve that, that won't happen. I will happen --

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I will achieve it in my time at Leicester! That excites me and

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makes me one to work harder. -- want to work.

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As well as all that, can Notts County's revival continue? They're

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away at Hartlepool. All the matches are on your BBC Local Radio station,

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with your first look at the goals right here on BBC One.

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In rugby, Leicester Tigers are desperate to find some form towards

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the end of the season. They go to high-flying Saracens, who gave a

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World Cup-weakened Tigers a spanking earlier in the season. A

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chance for revenge and building form.

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Traditionally, we have done very well in our games and we have put

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ourselves in a secure position. This year, it is a bit tighter and

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we're going to have to build a bit of form going into the last part of

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the season. Nottingham Rugby's build-up to the

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playoffs continues with a trip to Plymouth tomorrow.

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And ice hockey's Panthers may yet again have missed out on the League

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title, barring miracles. But that hasn't stopped them selling out

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Nottingham Ice Arena for tomorrow's visit from Sheffield Steelers.

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Loads of sport this weekend. Keep up with it right here.

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It's that time of year when, by rights, winter should be heading

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for the exit. And to herald the change, snowdrops start to appear.

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Easily recognisable, of course. A snowdrop, after all, is just a

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snowdrop. But is it? BBC Radio Leicester's Ady Dayman has been to

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one garden where they grow over 250 Now that the snow is finally melted

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away, it is hard to believe just how much colour there is in the

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garden, especially at this one in Anne Milton. In Beeches Garden, Jim

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and Margaret have been working extra hard and braving the cold to

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make sure their gardens are in tip- top condition for their open days.

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What higher particularly interested in are there rather impressive

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collection of snowdrops. Margaret, the garden looks absolutely

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fantastic. Just how many different varieties of snowdrop do you grow?

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About 260 now, because I must have lost well since last summer and I

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think the dry patch we have had is something to do with it. Can you

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tell me how much a snowdrop Mary's? Many people think they are the same

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but you can see differences in the leaves, they are different heights

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and shapes and you can look at the patterns on the inside of the

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flower. Sometimes they have green markings on the outside, which are

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the ones I loved. There must be a favourite you have? Early on, I

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liked Three Ships, but now I like this one. Believe it or are not,

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but there are over 3,000 varieties of snowdrop, with interest to

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spreading worldwide. Recently, somebody played �360 for just one

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bulb. They are so much more interesting and there is so much

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more interest in this garden. They are open on Sunday its and

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Wednesdays. They are open to the public and you can even get a cup

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of tea and a slice of cake. See you next time.

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In fact, we've heard that one snowdrop variety called Elizabeth

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Harrison sold on E-bay yesterday for a staggering �725! Wow! She

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must have been very nice! And just to say that the Beeches Garden in

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Milford is open this Sunday as part of the RHS National Garden Scheme

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so all money raised will go to charity.

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Well worth going to, not least because I understand the weather

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Yes. A lovely winter's day with cold conditions but lots of

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sunshine around on Sunday. But lots of changes before then. We stay

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cloudy tonight and on the mild side. This cloud was captured beautifully

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this afternoon. This is the footbridge over the River Trent.

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Thank you for that. Do send us your weather pictures. We are keeping

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the cloud and the mild conditions overnight tonight but this is all

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ahead of this cold front which will start to sinks south through

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Saturday morning. It will bring heavy bursts of rain and the wind

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will become quite gusty through the morning. Behind it, we get the

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introduction of colder air but that will be brief because we return to

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the milder weather early next week. A lot of cloud around at the moment,

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which is producing a few spots of light rain and drizzle, and that is

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how it continues through this evening and overnight. The cloud

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hold those temperatures up as we have the mild air pushing in. A

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minimum temperature of seven degrees, which is the average

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daytime temperature for February, so a very mild night ahead. The

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rain starts to sweep in tomorrow morning, with the gusts of picking

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up and being quite windy. Clearing for the afternoon with lovely sunny

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skies to end the day. Breezy through the day with a temperature

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of around 6pm. It will be warmer first thing in the morning and

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getting colder as the rain pushes through. Perhaps the odd wintry

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shower with light snow, but not amounting to much and not everybody

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will see it. But temperatures not getting much higher than four

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