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from the BBC News at Six. So it's goodbye from me, and on BBC One, we

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can now goodbye from me, and on BBC One, we

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can now join the BBC's news teams Good evening and welcome to BBC Look

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North. The headlines tonight: Hull City fans get an apology from

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the police after travel restrictions to an away match last season. In

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football terms, if not a victory it is certainly a result.

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Campaigners fight new plans to breed dogs for animal testing.

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The magic moment that's brought one photographer worldwide praise.

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And pausing for thought ` the dog with a blog and 5,000 fans.

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And it has been a cold and grey day. Writer and milder prospects for

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tomorrow. I'll will be back later. Brighter.

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One of the most senior police officers in the country has

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apologised to hundreds of Hull City football fans for their treatment

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over travel arrangements to a match. The Chief Constable of West

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Yorkshire Police has said that the force was wrong to make supporters

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take organised travel to a game at Huddersfield last season. At the

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time officers said the decision was taken on safety grounds, but tonight

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Hull City say they dispute there was any legitimate risk of trouble, as

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our sports reporter Simon Clark reports.

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It was a match many City fans were looking forward to, heading up the

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road to Huddersfield Town. But when the match was chosen for live

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television with a different kick`off time, West Yorkshire Police stepped

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in. They felt their intelligence made the change difficult so instead

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devised a scheme where whole city fans travel to the game by organised

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bus. `` Hull City fans. But a review said that was wrong. In the Karl

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Turner was one of those who objected to the travelling position. It

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vindicates City fans, which I am delighted about. People were up in

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arms about this and they are right to be, so this is definitely a

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vindication for law`abiding fans. NA 40 page review, some key

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recommendations were made, including...

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Peter Johnson was one of those fans who had contacted West Yorkshire

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Police before the game to express his concern. To some extent, there

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was a slight slur on the football fan on the basis of what West

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Yorkshire Police introduced for that game, and as to be realised that

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football fans are normal members of the public. `` and it has to be

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realised. This afternoon, Hull City released a statement fundamentally

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disagreeing would be police's concerned that there were potential

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problems around the match. Simon is live at the KC Stadium for

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us tonight. Hull City aren't happy with this report, Simon. What else

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have they been saying tonight? They are still unhappy that, in a sense,

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they were attempting to slow the fans, as said in that report, that

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the police were criminalising elements of the fans that wanted to

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make the journey. What have learned is that there has been a

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communication between West Yorkshire Police and Hull City. There has been

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suggestion that an apology will appear in the match day programme

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but as yet, nothing on that. Thank you. We will continue to follow that

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story. In a moment, claims Hull needs a

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Boris`style mayor if it's to turn its fortunes around.

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Campaigners say they'll hold a protest this weekend against plans

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by a company in East Yorkshire to breed dogs for medical testing. B

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Universal want to extend their current site in Grimston, where they

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already breed some small animals for lab work. There's a legal

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requirement in the UK for all new medicines to be tested on animals,

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as our rural affairs correspondent Linsey Smith reports.

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This video from a company that promotes animals research shows the

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type of facility B Universal want to build in Grimston. It will allow

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animals to be bred on`site and kept permanently indoors. At present,

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they are transported in as puppies and reared until they are required

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by biomedical research labs. Insulin, for example, was discovered

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using experiments on just 12 dogs and discovered to be how we could

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treat type 1 diabetes. And 371 million people are alive today

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because of that treatment. But Deborah Minns still has doubts.

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She's organising a protest in Hull tomorrow. You've got the animal

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experiment is on one side saying, this is saving your child's life,

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but they don't seem to have any evidence, and on the other side, you

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have these leading scientists saying, this is delaying cures for

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humans. So we just want something in Parliament supported by MPs saying,

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can we have a debate between new two? The UK is at the cutting edge

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of finding solutions to animal testing. The group of scientists

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previously set up say they are not quite there yet and there is still a

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need for animal testing. The Government spends ?3 million each

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year looking how to refine, reduce and replace animals in research, but

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unfortunately, we have no blanket replacement for the use of animals.

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Eventually, after it has worked its way through test tubes and computer

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simulations, we need to try a drug in a whole organism. It's not the

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first time owners have tried to build a bigger facility. In 2011,

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plans were rejected by East Riding Council because they were too big.

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This new application has been scaled down but villagers say they'll

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object again. During the build period, if it was to be passed, the

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traffic would involve heavy vehicles coming to and fro on this tiny farm

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track, really. It is just a paved over from track. And, as you can

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see, the road is full of small, sharp bends. The company insists it

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is just supplying the demands of science. Protestors have told us

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more demonstrations are planned. So this village may be quaint but not

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quiet for long. Earlier I spoke to Dr Victoria

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Martindale, who is from Humane Society International, and asked her

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whether she would be happy for dogs to be used for medical purposes if

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scientists can't find an alternative. The trouble with using

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dogs or any animals for toxicology testing is the fact that they cannot

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predict the wide range of effects of a drug in a human. And these dogs

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have to be given very high doses, sometimes 1,000 times the dose level

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a human would normally encounter, which, of course, doesn't represent

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the normal situation at all. So when we try to extrapolate the evidence

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for humans, it is inaccurate. UK Cancer Research says this sort of

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experimentation is essential if they are to find a cure for cancer. We

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have been trying to find a cure for cancer for decades, yet there have

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been very few breakthroughs and very little progress. That doesn't mean

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we just have to give up, though, does it? Well, we're missing out on

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the huge potential that modern science has to offer and therefore

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we are missing out all the medical progress and breakthroughs in

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development that could occur from modern science. But dogs have helped

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find, for example, insulin to help treat diabetes. If we want to tackle

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these things, like MS, diabetes, aids, then there is no `` and there

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is no alternative, shouldn't we continue using dogs? You are talking

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about a process developed decades and centuries ago. We have many more

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methods available to us. For example, instead of cutting open the

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brain of a cat or monkey to look at its brain, instead, we can use

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highly sophisticated human imaging techniques to look at a human brain

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at the level of a single neuron. But they say that is not possible and

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they need live animals. It is possible. The more time and money we

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spend on that, the less time and money we have for new methods to

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progress medicine. We want to hear from you on this

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story. Do you think there need to be more alternatives to testing new

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medicines on animals? Or do we need to use animals if we are to find

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cures as soon as we can? We will have some of your thoughts

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on that before we finish tonight. A Grade`II listed building in

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Grimsby has been described as one of the most threatened buildings in the

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country. The Victorian Society has published its top ten most

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endangered buildings and it includes the former Wintringham School and

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School Board Offices on Eleanor Street in the town. It's furry sad

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to see them in that way. There was hardly a pane of glass not broken.

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It really is appalling. `` it's very sad. I was particularly struck by

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just how dilapidated these buildings are and how precarious their

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position is. Artists' impressions of a

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multi`million pound tourist attraction that could be built at

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the base of the Red Arrows in Lincolnshire have been revealed.

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Lincolnshire County Council wants to create an aviation heritage centre

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at RAF Scampton. It's currently in talks with the Ministry of Defence

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and the RAF about the plans. When Samantha Svendsen from Grimsby

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was awarded almost ?3 million compensation it was supposed to take

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care of her life, but a court has heard how her mother and stepfather

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spent the money instead on expensive cars, jewellery and holidays. Cathy

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Watson and Robert Hills are alleged to have stolen more than ?500,000

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from the money meant for their diasbled daughter. Today, Robert

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Hills, who has admitted theft, told the court he and his now ex`wife

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lived well beyond their means. Jake Zuckerman has this report from

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Doncaster Crown Court. The case concerns the theft of

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compensation money paid out by the NHS to Samantha Svensons, who

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suffered permanent brain damage as a child due to medical negligence. She

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was awarded ?2.6 million in 1999. Her mother, 44`year`old Cathy Watson

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from Scunthorpe, and her stepfather, Robert Hills, who is 49 and from

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Grimsby, were charged with the theft of more than half ?1 million in

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total, money that was supposed to pay for Samantha's ongoing care

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throughout her life. The court heard the couple lived a lavish lifestyle,

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spending more than ?200,000 on cars, ?18,000 on jewellery and several

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thousand pounds on credit cards. They bought several properties in

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Yorkshire that were supposed to be investments for Samantha but when

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the properties were sold the court maintains the couple kept the money

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for themselves. Cathy Watson has not admitted to the counts of theft

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while Robert Hills has admitted theft. He maintained they acted

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together and lived way beyond their means, and when it was put to him

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that he was lying to spread the blame and had volunteered to be a

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witness to try to receive a lesser sentence, he replied, a prepared to

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take responsibility for my actions but I will not take it for decisions

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that she took. The case, which is expected to last two weeks, was

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adjourned until Monday. Thank you for watching tonight.

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Still ahead tonight, the Bempton gannets caught on camera. Now their

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photographer is named one of the best in the world. When you actually

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capture on the back of your camera that special image, you just look at

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that and you know, that is the one. More on that in just a moment and if

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you have one you are proud of, do send it in and we will show it next

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week. We have some belters for you! Here they are.

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This was taken last Tuesday on one of the remaining sunny days.

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Now for the weather. I hope you are going to be nice to me tonight.

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White? Because you have me for the next two weeks! You are brave to do

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that! We have had a lot of cloud today and

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it has been low, so quite grey and dank, but after a grey start

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tomorrow, it will brighten up and feel milder, with temperatures in

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the mid teens. The weather will continue to be dominated by low

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pressure with the isobars Paddy `` fairly packed. Looking at relatively

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mild conditions for the next two days and into next week, it looks

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frost free, you will be pleased to know. The cloud has been producing

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some patchy drizzle. As we head into this evening and overnight, further

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spells of rain and drizzle will push in, so a damp night to come and

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breezy, too. But vary mild with temperatures down to just 12 or 13

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degrees. The sun rises at just after 7:30am tomorrow morning and sets

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just before 6pm. These are the high water times. We start tomorrow with

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a loss of cloud around and it will still be producing out rakes of rain

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and drizzle. `` a lot of. `` outbreaks. We should cease and

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spells of sunshine and it will feel pleasant as well. `` we should see

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some spells. Looking further ahead, on Sunday,

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more of a mix. Sunshine and blustery showers and wet and windy weather to

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come on Monday and then Tuesday. I will try to wear my glasses for next

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Monday! You are struggling! But we can see you! Your fans will be alive

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on Twitter now you have given them your schedule for the next two

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weeks! Hull needs a Boris Johnson`style

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elected mayor if it's to compete with other cities for government

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money. That's according to the former Deputy Prime Minister Lord

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Heseltine, who's been reacting to a controversial magazine article that

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said Hull was decaying and people should be encouraged to find jobs

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elsewhere. Lord Heseltine says the city can learn lessons from

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Liverpool, where he led a programme of economic regeneration in the

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1980s. Here's our political editor, Tim Iredale.

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With its waterfront, docks and industrial heritage, Liverpool has

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much in common with Hull, its fellow maritime city at the other end of

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the 62. Many people in Hull will look at Liverpool with some envy. In

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recent years, it has had one of the fastest`growing economies in the UK

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so it is hard to imagine that just over 30 years ago, there was talk in

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government of abandoning this city. Archive documents reveal that

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following riots in the report in 1981, the then Chancellor, Geoffrey

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Howe, suggested a programme of managed decline. There was an echo

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of that Iran in the latest edition of the Economist. An article

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entitled Britain's Decaying Towns suggested the Government should not

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pour any more money into so`called failing cities such as Hull. We had

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a think`tank a few years ago saying places in the North should be

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abandoned and everybody move down to London, and this is nonsense. Any

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forward`looking government, any forward`looking society would want

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to invest in Hull as they invest in difficult. Now the man credited with

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turning Liverpool's fortunes around back in the 80s has entered the

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debate. Lord Heseltine has been commissioned by the present

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government to look at ways of boosting economic growth in cities

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like Hull. The first thing is to find out who is in charge and that

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is why I believe in directly elected chief executives or mayors, because

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then you know. Everybody knows about London's Boris Johnson. You'd be

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much better off saying, what would you do if you were originated the

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idea is? Because you know what Hull needs. So let's start from the

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bottom up. Ministers have been talking about struggling Northern

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cities being abandoned, a move sure to make waves from the Humber to the

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Mersey. Tim Iredale will be here with the

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Sunday Politics this weekend discussing the issues raised by Lord

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Heseltine's comments on BBC One at 11am.

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Yesterday we told you about the secondary school in Hull that's

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handed out free iPhones to its students. The head teacher at Sydney

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Smith School says the phones will help pupils with research, revision

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and coursework when used as a mini tablet. They were handed out without

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consulting parents. We've had lots of responses on this

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one. Not surprisingly. Thank you for all of them that you have sent. We

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do read them all. Thank you for those.

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A man who captured this amazing image of two gannets at Bempton in

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East Yorkshire has been named in a prestigious competition as one the

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worlds best wildlife photographers. The image taken by Steve Race was

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selected out of 46,000 entries from all over the world. Phil Connell has

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been to meet him. For any wildlife photographer, it is

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the early bird who catches the worm. And Steve often starts work at 5am.

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The best time of day to capture his award`winning pic shows. It is the

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buzz of being outdoors in a wild place and space and sitting for a

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while quietly, like here, and seeing what comes across your path. `` his

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award`winning pictures. But now it is this picture of two gannet that

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has brought in to the attention of the world. The photograph was chosen

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out of 46,000 worldwide entries, with Steve just one of six British

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people to be commended. To get this true, special moment of them

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offering flowers to each other and then the necklace to actually go

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around the neck of the bird was, for me, exceptional. I've had wows and

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amazing, and then sheer silence, because people look at it and say,

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that is really something special. Steve's interest in wildlife to ``

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began at the age of just ten. He has now captured thousands of images on

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his camera. It can be instant, which is again it was, or it can take

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time, but when you capture that special image, you know. You just

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look at it and think, that is the one. It feels fantastic. Steve's

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photo is now part of a touring exhibition. But he is already up and

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out searching for that next magic moment.

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Hull City are back in action this weekend and manager Steve Bruce says

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his side will be in for a tough time when they travel to play Everton.

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The Tigers are only a point behind tomorrow's opponents and a victory

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could potentially lift them into the top five. David Moyes has left a

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very good side and of course, new managers come in with different

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ideas and they have got off to a great start. It will be a hell of a

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difficult game but one we will also look forward to.

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And of course there'll be full coverage of the game and match

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build`up on BBC Radio Humberside from 1:30pm.

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Scunthorpe United's game against Exeter is on AM.

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Grimsby Town v Forest Green Rovers is on DAB and online.

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BBC Radio Lincolnshire will have full commentary of Lincoln City's

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match at Kidderminster. Enjoy your football!

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Scientists at the University of Lincoln have been given a grant of

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almost ?500,000 to study the facial expressions of cats. They say the

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animal's faces could reveal how they're feeling emotionally and let

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owners know when they're sick or in pain. Cats clearly can communicate a

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lot with their face though it is much more subtle than something like

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a dog, which we are more familiar with. We are really only at the

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beginnings of beginning to explore this so we are going to learn a lot

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whatever happens. Now, having your own website or blog

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on the internet has been around for many years, but one blogger in North

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Lincolnshire has been capturing world attention. Polly the dog has

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had more than 5,000 hits from people wanting to know about her travels,

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videos and photos. Simon Spark has been to find out more.

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Meet Polly. She loves to play like any other dog. But when she's

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finished and settled, she doesn't just go to sleep like any other dog.

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She contemplates what she's going to tell her 5,000 fans. Because Polly's

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a dog with a blog. Here she is writing her latest edition now. Some

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of you have asked why the camera loves me so much. I have been told

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it is a mixture of bone structure and genetics. I think it has

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something to do with me being so very cute. Today it was bike`ride

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day, something she really enjoys and no doubt will blog about, adding to

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her many other travels. Polly, when did you start blogging?

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OK, here's the truth. Polly doesn't actually do the blogging. It's her

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owner David, who by chance wasn't available today, so his wife Lyn

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told us everything. I can't believe anybody outside the family is

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reading what Polly does! It was basically for our amusement. And it

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has just got bigger! 40% from the UK, 40% from America and then there

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are places like China, Canada, Korea. And so it goes on. It is

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relieved as, isn't it! Really bizarre! I can't even believe I'm

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talking about it! Well, actually it's not as bizarre as you think.

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For example, George W Bush's dog Barney had his own video blog and he

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did the Christmas decorations at the White House, apparently. Then

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there's Pudsey the dancing dog who also tweets to 44,000 followers. But

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David Cameron's cat, Larry the tabby, has fewer than 2,000

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followers. So, Polly, it looks like your blogs are already more popular

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and it doesn't look like they'll stop soon. Good job you're so very

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cute after all. A reminder, if you have a story you

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would like to tell us about, do drop us an e`mail and give us a telephone

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number as well. Or maybe tweet me directly.

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Let's get a recap of the national and regional headlines.

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A coroner has ruled the collector played a part in the deaths of five

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elderly people in a care home. West Yorkshire Police says sorry to

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the Hull City fans stopped from making their own way to a game.

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Tomorrow's weather ` a grey start with some drizzle at first but then

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becoming drier and brighter, with highs of 17 C.

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Our conversation there about testing on animals. Sheila has texted in to

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say, would those who demonstrated against animal testing refuse life

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saving treatment if the queue had been testing on animals? Do they ask

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if it has been tested on animals before they use it? Another says, I

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don't care how queue is found for MS, I have. `` how a cure is found.

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Another woman says, there must be a way to experiment without using

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those poor animals. Georgina said, I wanted to hear more from the

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scientists. My mother has cancer and if animal experiments don't work, I

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want to know how and what we can do to support this if they don't find

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the cure. I want to hear the scientists debate publicly so we can

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hear both sides. Have a peaceful weekend. Good night.

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