17/09/2014 Look North (East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire)

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Bad conditions hamper the investigation into a helicopter

crash off the East Yorkshird coast which killed two men.

Unfortunately it is now at the bottom of a set of police around 150

feet or so high. It will be a challenging recovery. I am live

close to the crash site to read `` looking at efforts to recovdr the

helicopter wreckage. Should

the voting age be lowered to 16 We meet the young campaigners

who say it should. Traders say introducing parking

charges in parts It is just ridiculous. It whll have

a negative impact on all thd businesses around here. I c`n't see

anything positive that will come out of it apart from in other rdvenue

source for the council. We meet the business recruited

by the Red Arrows to help them And we find out how one

of the world's rarest dogs dnded up Detailed weather forecast whll

follow in 15 minutes. Thick fog and poor visibility has

prevented investigators from moving the wreckage of a

helicopter which crashed into cliffs The aircraft came down

at Flamborough yesterday afternoon. An air accident investigation team

has been at the site today, but has been unable to examhne the

wreckage because of the conditions. The identities

of the two men killed have xet to be Jo Makel has spent the day near the

crash site and sent this report It has been a frustrating d`y for

the inspectors. They wanted to start to recover the Jet Ranger

helicopter, photographed here, minutes before it crashed into the

sea below. But a six `` sit `` thick sea fog has enveloped the scene

Investors are trying to work out what to do. There is discussion

including recovering the helicopter by C. Alternatively we may bring in

a much larger helicopter and lift it properly. That is dependent on

whether. The location of thhs crash makes the recovery all the lore

difficult. You cannot access the site from the beach because of the

headlines lately one behind me that's just out into the se`. The

sheer cliff faces and the thdes make is difficult. Today there is also

the weather. Some parts of the helicopter were brought up xesterday

as rescuers recovered the bodies of the two occupants. They supported

the operation and were on stand`by to assist again today. The crew did

practice exercises. When it is the real thing and you have real people

involved, they are very sympathetic to the family of the crew. We do

exercise. But it is still r`w when it is real people involved. The

aircraft started its fight near Edinburgh, apparently following the

closest. `` the coast. It wdnt is the East `` it went into thd sea at

Flamborough yesterday afternoon There was some talk. It shotld not

necessarily have been operating on racy past. There are a numbdr of

reasons why it might have h`d to. There is a certain time pressure to

this operation. The pounding of the waves and corrosive nose of the sea

water means they would need to bring up the helicopter quickly bdfore too

much damage is done. Jo Makel is live in Flamborough

tonight. How much investigation work have the

authorities managed to do today Here at the scene, very little. That

is due to the terrible condhtions in terms of the weather and thd

riskiness of where we are. There are two streams. One is an engineering

one, looking at the air worthiness of the helicopter. They need the

wreck to do that to examine its components. That is why to bring it

up. The people were her all day that you were here all day, and `re

hoping to come back at 6am tomorrow. In the background there is `nother

string, looking at the oper`tion of the helicopter. They have bden able

to be doing things towards that today. Looking at things like the

air traffic reports, weather report, the pilot and their

background as trading, expertise. Crucially, they will be looking at

the eyewitness report from the people here in Flamborough who spoke

yesterday about seeing and hearing the crash happened. They ard working

with Humberside Police on this. They have also said that if therd is

anybody who has not yet comd forward and was here and did see thd crash

happen, they would very much liked is beak to them. Thank you.

spokesman for the Department For Transport and has worked on air

SINGING Is it normal for this to finally see

when it could have flowed over the land? Following the coastline is one

of the easiest to get it from a to B. How much harder will getting the

black`box be? It probably h`sn't got a black box, but it will have some

sort of data recorder from the engineering point of view, which

gives us some idea how the dngines were operating and various other

parameters. As you heard, the wreckage is on the ground, not yet

recovered because it is inaccessible. Is it better for

investigators to see the Rettig is in situ, rather than taking back on

a bench in Farnborough for the first time. That `` the wreckage. It is

always preferable. But in this case it will be difficult for thdm to go

and see it in situ. It has been disturbed to a certain extent, but

they would certainly want to see the engines and gearboxes that transmit

power to the rotor head and tail rotor to see if there is anx fault

in that which might have catsed the accident. What will be uppermost in

their minds? They would want to eliminate things. If they c`n find

exactly what happened, then they can say that it wasn't this, it wasn't

that. The whole point of investigating is to learn ldssons

for the future of aviation. If there were some major faults to bd find

they would need to take immddiate action to make sure that information

was passed on to the aviation authorities around the world. If

there is a helicopter which has been around for a long time and to

develop over the years, it hs a tried and tested machine. It is very

well known. There are some very good eyewitness accounts from locals

including some who say they heard a crack before the helicopter started

following. Does that tell you anything? Will these eyewitness

accounts be crucial? All thdse things are part of a jigsaw puzzle.

The operations Inspector will be interviewing anyone who has anything

they feel they can contribute to this. Another thing they will be

looking at is the engineering records of the aircraft to lake sure

it had been properly maintahned and was functioning correctly. Thank

you. Scunthorpe United respond to

recent criticism of the sidd as Under 18 's will be able to vote

tomorrow in Scotland, which has prompted young people here to argue

that they should be allowed to vote too. You are listening to ldgacy

radio. We are talking of thhngs got us this morning. No prizes for

guessing the main topic of conversation.

While these students have an opinion on current polithcal

Unlike 16 and 17 year olds north of the border who will be allowed

to take part in tomorrow's referendum, a first

Teenagers here in Scunthorpd will have to wait until they are 18 to

cast their votes, but some believe the Scottish referendum shotld

I think if 16 or 17`year`olds were voting and think it would breathe

life into politics and issuds because there is so much th`t is

good care about. Figures reveal that younger people are less likdly to

vote. In 2010 only 44%

of 18`24 year`olds used thehr votes What do you say to people who say

that you are not mature enotgh at 16 to make these decisions? Whdn

tuition fees were put up a lot of students were angered by th`t and it

will affect me, even though I wasn't able to vote. The stereotypd is

totally wrong when there ard thousands of students studyhng

politics and economics at A`level and on to degree level. For a

Scottish youths to be able to vote it is a major step forward.

More than four decades have passed since the voting age was lowered

from 21 to 18 and some belidve it should be reduced to 16.

Ministers said there are currently no plans to reduce

from 21 to 18 and some belidve it should be reduced to 16.

The argument is that you can join the Army at 16, you can apply, but

you cannot go out an operathon. 18 is most appropriate.

Ministers said there are currently no plans to reduce

the voting age across the UK, but they may come under rendwed

pressure if Scottish teenagdrs turn out in numbers tomorrow.

We want to hear from you on this story.

Do you think the age of voting should be lowered?

Maybe you are 16 or 17 and think your opinion should be counted?

The latest unemployment figtres show a mixed picture across our `rea

In Yorkshire and Humber 203,000 people are out of work.

A fall of 15,000 compared to the previous quarter.

In the East Midlands, which including Lincolnshire, the jobless

Plans for a new stadium for Boston United won?t now havd to be

The Secretary of State has decided to not call in the planning

application for the Quadrant development, which also include

The decision has now been rdferred back to Boston Borough Council who

voted to approve the plans last month.

Shop owners on the Bailgate area of Lincoln say that if charges are

introduced for on`street parking, it would damage trade.

The proposal is being considered by the City of Lincoln Council,

who say traders and residents have nothing to worry about.

Here in the heart of Lincoln's historic quarter, motorists can park

The city is unusual in not charging for on`street parkhng.

But a report on parking str`tegy for the City Council suggests

The report says the free parking undercuts the council's own car

Shop owners say they'd fight any such plans tooth and nahl.

It is just ridiculous. It whll have a negative impact on all thd

businesses around here. I c`n't see anything positive that will come out

of it apart from another revenue source for the council. The

council's report describes these of free parking bays on bail great as a

premium product and says th`t their users should expect to pray a

premium price to party. That might expect to pay.

Motorists who use the spaces disagree.

I wouldn't come up here. People visit these days. That makes a

difference. If you type that Macs start charging, people would come.

The parking charges are extortionate.

The council's executive will consider the report next Monday

You might have a view on this story as well.

They say that there is `` this is not a policy that we think should be

part of the strategy. The executive will consider the report next

Monday. Any decision will undergo considerable consultation.

You might have a view on this story as well.

Should free parking in areas like this be kept?

If you run a business, do you worry about the impact it could h`ve?

The East Yorkshire firm recruited by the Red Arrows to help them

it's one of the rarest dogs in the world.

We find out how Inca ended up living in our area.

Hannah Fletcher took this of Anderby Creek:

We just got an extra for yot tonight. Helen Wilkinson from will

be spotted this cloud yesterday which looks like it in a sh`pe of

the UK. She can't work out whether this is with Scotland or without

it. I think she's been on the Sherry!

I said engage your brain before you say anything! Let's have a look at

the weather. We've got some bright and sunny intervals. There hs some

humidity and overcast skies. Temperatures at 16`17 Celsits. It

could be up to 24 tomorrow afternoon. Unfortunately, this cloud

has not budged all day. The cloud will beckon and get lower. We'll see

some folk along the Hill co`st. It will be big enough to produce some

drizzle and produce temperatures of 13`14dC. This is very mild. So, a

dull, grey damp and misty start Gradually, visibility will hmprove

and it will be a better chance of seeing some sunny breaks in West

Lincolnshire. 16`17 Celsius. A bit of brightness lifting up with

temperatures up to 23 Celsits. Across the UK, it's been thd driest

start this September since 09 1 . High`pressure is in charge `nd a

chance of brightness on Sunday. Last night one of the callers sahd: I

wouldn't wear a shirt and the like that. It looks ridiculous!

Have you had a domestic? They are a key part

of the iconic Red Arrows displays. Well, thanks to the help from an

East Yorkshire manufacturing team, the Red Arrows have been able to

continue wowing the crowds during their 50th display sdason.

For the last 18 months, BAE Systems in Brough have been

building the special smoke pods that add the colour to

their spectacular displays. Simon Spark reports.

The breath`taking aerobatics of the Red Arrows have kept them up there

There's pride too with their Lincolnshire connections being

based at RAF Scampton and now further pride with

Here at BAE Systems, in Brotgh, they've been manufacturing

a key component of their display, the pods that produce their

The point you see behind us is the front`end. Normally, this would give

it the shape and this is whdre it is filled. The pipe connects to the

aircraft will The first surprise is the shze

of them. The second is that,

despite their size, they can only be used for a maximum of 7 minttes

5 minutes of white smoke and just You can see by the size of the

facility here that it?s not just At the moment, their biggest order

is for 22 Hawks for the Roy`l Saudi we are in the middle of the nose

cone section. The factory here has a

long`established history with making the Hawk, but the pods haven't been

made for over 20 years so that meant The actual design hasn't ch`nged

because we been manufacturing them for so long. A lot of e`learning has

gone and the history has gone. So we gone back to the blueprint `nd it

has taken us a lot longer than we thought it would.

The first Brough Pod, has already featured in the

You get comments asking you if you are proud to work on it will stop

The rest will hope to join next year?s display season.

German renewables have begun an energy tour at the scene ends

manufacturing site in Hull, tomorrow. We're hoping to lhnk with

Germany. The energy market is really

important to us. It will consume millions of tonnes of steel and help

us to procure jobs and skills within the local but on me. `` economy

Thanks to everyone who got in touch about Hull City supporters

booing each other in Monday's match against Wdst Ham.

The "City Till We Die" group opposes plans by the owners to change

Supporters singing anti`change songs were booed by fellow fans mhdway

I booed because I am sick of this lot bringing the cltb down.

If they don't like the change, then don't go to the game.

Scunthorpe United enjoyed a victory in League 1 last night,

only hours after their chairman had expressed his

Peter Swann asked the players and management to prove thelselves,

and they did, as our sports reporter Simon Clark explains.

The Iron took to the field last night knowing they

Chairman Peter Swann has made public his displeasure

We don't want to be down at this end of the table, fighting relegation.

That was part of the messagd for me. Let's not wait. Let's hit otr game

First though an act of remembrance for the passhng

Then the action but, from Swann to the humblist of fans, collective

hearts must have sunk, as Frank Nouble opened for the visitors.

Then a turning point, as Reda Johnson appeared to butt

From then United set off for the win, with Paddy Madden equalising.

And Taylor himself got the `ll ` important winner,

a header to end a seven match unbeaten run for Coventry,

I think it was clear that the manager was unhappy with thd

performance at Chesterfield. The bingo players were happy either and

they had a point to prove. Ht all added to the game. Every gale is

important and we need to pick up as many points as possible. Thd results

One of the rarest dogs in the world has found a new home

Her owners live near Goole `nd are hoping to increase that number.

Meet Inca, five months old and the onlx,

It's a Dutch breed and, likd most of her kind, she was born in Holland.

We had some relatives who vhsited the Netherlands. When they returned

home, they noticed that thex had seen a really rare breed of dog

To get Inca, Pam had to reghster with the Stabyhoun Associathon, who

are trying to increase numbdrs, as there are only around 6,000 left in

It's not a specialist dog breeds. People were originally breeding dogs

with a particular purpose. Sammuel Amin is a `` Inca is a friendly and

domesticated dog. She just wants to be with you. That

is what she is like. But it's hoped the breed will become

more popular, so that one d`y soon Inca will no longer be the only

lonely Stabyhoun in East Yorkshire. If you think that you have ` story

we should know about them please get in touch.

Let's get a recap of the national and regional headlhnes

There is a last perch for Scotland's referendum.

There is a last perch for Scotland's referendum.

Bad conditions hamper the investigation into a helicopter

which crashed off the East Yorkshire coast, killing two men.

Another dull, misty and damp start, slowly turning brighter with sunny

Maximum temperature inland, 20 Celsius.

Now, the subject of boating: The age should be raised, not lowerdd. What

do young people know about politics?

Why on earth should we allow young people to vote is another opinion.

Another opinion is that use of 6 ` 17 do not have the maturity to boat.

I have been working since I was 16, I should be allowed to boat. ``