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Good evening. Welcome to NorthWest Tonight with Ranvir Singh and

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Stuart Flinders. Our top story. The Government is ordered to hand

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over secret files on the Hillsborough disaster to the BBC.

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They are to be released under the Freedom of Information Act and will

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throw light on how the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher viewed

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the disaster. Guilty of child cruelty. A couple

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from Blackburn abused one of their twins until she died at just seven

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months old. Quite what the poor child suffered

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in the last 12 hours of life goes beyond imagining.

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Come back to class. The parents campaigning to reinstate the

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headteacher who restrained their son.

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First Abbey Road, now Pete Best Drive, the former Beatle, gets a

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street named after him. And Jayne Barrett with some

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illuminating things we didn't know about Blackpool.

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Could you spend your main holiday here in Blackpool? That is the

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question they want you to answer as they start a countdown to the

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relaunch of the tower and brand new attractions inside. But is it

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realistic? Confidential files about the

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Hillsborough Disaster detailing discussions with the then Prime

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Minister, Margaret Thatcher, are to be made public for the first time.

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Some Hillsborough campaigners believe the Prime Minister was keen

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to protect the reputation of the police in the days after 96

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Liverpool fans died in 1989. The Information Commissioner has

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ordered the documents to be released in response to a BBC

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request under the Freedom of Information Act. The Cabinet Office

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has been reluctant to hand over the documents. Earlier, I spoke to the

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BBC's Freedom of Information specialist Martin Rosenbaum and

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asked what he expected the documents to show. You never know

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for sure with a Freedom of Information application what

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information you are going to get. But there is quite a lot of

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discussion, with regard to the Hillsborough disaster, what

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Margaret Thatcher's attitude was in the immediate wake of it and

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whether in particular she did not want the police to be criticised

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for the disaster. Some of the families have said that they think

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she might have wanted to ensure that did not happen. We do not know

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if that happened or not. But by getting these documents out into

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the open, we can shed more light on that question. It may shed more

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light in other ways, on how the government reacted in the few days

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after the disaster happened. Why has it taken two years for

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these documents to be released? Does that add weight to the

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suspicions of a cover-up? I would not necessarily say that.

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The Cabinet Office has a very bad record on responding to a Freedom

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of Information requests generally. This one is certainly worse than

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most. It took 16 months to turn it down, then we got the information

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officer to over-rule them. But the Cabinet Office does have a bad

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record in general. The information commissioner has got the Cabinet

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Office to sign an undertaking to improve its performance in future.

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It is not only with regard to this particular case that there has been

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serious delays. How long before we actually get to hear what is in

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these papers? I hope by the end of next month,

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because the Cabinet Office has to release the documentation or decide

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whether to appeal. If they appeal, the process will take longer. If

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they do not appeal, we should know within a month or so. We've been

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getting reaction to the news from some of the victims' families. They

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have told us they are pleased and surprised at the Information

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Commissioner's decision. Ann Williams, who lost her 15-year-old

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son at Hillsborough said, "This is good news. I thought the Government

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would block it. At least now we may get to the truth." And if you want

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to hear more from them, tune into Radio Merseyside's Breakfast Show

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from 7 tomorrow. The parents of twins have been found guilty of

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child cruelty after subjecting one of their baby daughters to a

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catalogue of horrific abuse. Police believe that Mohammed and Nafisa

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Karolia from Blackburn went to extraordinary lengths to hide the

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abuse, swapping the child with her identical twin to fool social

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workers. The child later died and it is thought the couple even

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changed the name on her death certificate. Mohammed and Nafisa

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Karolia had twin baby daughters. But one of the girls was singled

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out for the most appalling abuse. In 2009, aged seven months, the

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child died from a lung infection. A post-mortem then uncovered over 20

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injuries to her body. A broken rib. Five arm and leg fractures.

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Bleeding to her eyes. A brain haemorrhage. And the cartilage in

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her nose was exposed, caused by pinching it with a clip or clasp.

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Her treatment was bestial. Quite what the poor child suffered

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in the last hours have for life is beyond imagination. How anybody can

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inflict a level of violence on the on child is beyond me. They do not

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deserve to be parents. Police believe Mohammed and Nafisa Karolia

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tried everything possible to cover up the abuse. It is thought they

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swapped the twins to fool health and social workers and, after the

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death, switched the name on the death certificate. The surviving

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child may never know who she is. That must be an appalling legacy

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for her. After the inquest, neighbours came forward to say that

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they had will never seen the parents with one baby. One woman

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said she had heard a female voice screaming at night. I read it in

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the paper that they had twin girls. I ran the paper to say they had got

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it wrong. I had only ever seen one baby. But they did not get it wrong,

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they were twin girls. Blackburn with Darwen Council say

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the social worker who visited was assigned to the mother, who had

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herself been in care, not the twins. Police say they may never know why

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the Karolias rejected one of their little girls. Both were told they

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face considerable sentences. Psychologist Dr David Holmes is

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here. Very disturbing details. How unusual is it for parents to target

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one child for abuse? It is very unusual. I have never come across

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this. Abuse usually can be traced through the family, through older

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siblings. In the case of twins, discerning one from the other, it

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needs some kind of further explanation. Twins are awed. They

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are odd in terms of they have a more psychiatric problems than

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normal individuals. They can have a strange a reaction on parents.

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may never know why, but from your point of view, of -- what could be

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an explanation? I am grasping at straws, to be honest. It could be

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posed little problems, psychosis even more than depression. In a

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case of twins, you could see one twin as being antagonistic towards

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the other, sucking the life out of the other in some way or other. In

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this case, there were a few phrases that were used it that might

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indicate some think like that. of the twins has survived, but what

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is the likelihood of her growing up and do not being sure of her on

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identity and having survivor's guilt? People do survive things and

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they suffer this post dramatic the blame of why her and not me? Severe

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animosity could be carried forward towards the parents. The they have

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destroyed part of the other twin. With twins, it is almost as if you

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are destroying that person. British holidaymakers in Spain are

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being asked to look out for two men who escaped from a prison van in

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Manchester last week. Kirk Bradley and Anthony Downes had been on

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trial in Liverpool in connection with a series of shootings. Police

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say the men have links in Spain and may be on their way there or

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already in the country. The British National Party's Nick

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Griffin has narrowly survived a leadership challenge. Mr Griffin,

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who is a North West Euro MP, won by just nine votes. The election

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follows splits within the party and allows Nick Griffin to stay in

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charge for another four years. The parents of a boy who was

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allegedly manhandled by his headteacher are backing a campaign

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to reinstate him. James Gallogly was suspended from his post at St

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Benedicts Catholic Primary after it was alleged he pinned 8-year-old

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Ryan Johns against a wall. But Ryan's parents say Mr Gallogly's

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resignation was the last thing they wanted. Kate Simms reports. Ryan

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has epilepsy. He is awaiting a diagnosis for ADHD. Even his

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parents admit that he is a handful. But they trusted his head teacher

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with him. I could see him restraining Ryan, but I could not

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see him doing that. They were told that James Gallogly grabbed Ryan

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and pinned him against a wall. It is something they find hard to

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believe. The way that he ran that school, and the way that the

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children and parents responded to him, you could not wish for a

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better person. How do you feel now the it he has left? Gutted. I'd

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like to him. That sentiment is echoed by other parents. Parents at

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the school have backed him with a 100 strong petition. But in a

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statement, Cheshire East Council said that the school governors

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Ryan has now left St Benedict's Catholic Primary School. His

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behaviour got worse after the head teacher left. His parents have also

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removed his siblings from the school. If he comes back, I would

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like to send my children back. But only if he returned. It is a shame

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if he does not. Gary Skelly was on his way home

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after a few drinks with friends, but he never made it. A stranger

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punched him for no reason, sending him crashing to the floor. That

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single blow took his life. Now his mum is joining forces with

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Merseyside Police to let everyone know that just one punch can wreck

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lives. Our Chief Reporter, Dave Guest, has more.

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They are loud and lively, but not causing any trouble. But it is easy

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for a situation like this to become violent. When fists fly, there can

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be fatal consequences. This young man died as a result of this punch.

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Gary Skelly was another victim of drunken violence while minding his

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own business. A single punch cost his life. It killed him instantly.

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It was not the fall on the floor. It was the punch. Over the past

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five years, 24 people have died from alcohol related violence here.

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Seven of them died from a single punch. But it is not a problem

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confined to Merseyside. In Greater Manchester, in the same period, 13

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people have died, and 14 in Lancashire. Merseyside Police have

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teamed up with Gary Skelly's mum to highlight the dangers of a single

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punch. The campaign is called One Punch Can Kill, and that is the

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message we want to get across. To get people to realise that in a

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split-second, you can ruin lives. If one person just things before

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they plunge, -- thinks before the punch, we will have achieved

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something. Consultant neurosurgeon Paul

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Eldrige has treated the victims of such senseless violence. It is a

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disaster, they are usually very young. Gary's mum hopes that the

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message can get across before Holidaymakers from the Isle of Man

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have been speaking of their terror after a plane's engine burst into

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flames moments after take-off. The flight operated by Jet 2 from Ibiza

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to Manchester had 186 passengers on board. It was forced to make an

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emergency landing in Majorca on Thursday. It sounded like fireworks.

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The whole plane shook and the lights went out on the left hand

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side of the plane. People were crying and it was 20 minutes before

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the stewardess came on the Tannoy and told us anything.

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Still to come in North West Tonight. Honouring the beetle who was there

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before the big time. A bookings bonanza, marriage

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proposals and even an album - we catch up with the Lake District

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hotelier enjoying life in the limelight.

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But when they got into the programme and when they saw how

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Figures out this morning revealed the growth of the UK economy slowed

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between April and June this year. It's now just 0.2% compared to 0.5%

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in the last quarter. But the Chancellor George Osborne

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has said it could be much worse and described Britain as a safe haven

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in the storm. So how financially secure are his

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Tatton constituents feeling? Nina Warhurst has spent the day in

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Knutsford. Welcome to sunny Knutsford. The constituency of the

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Chancellor, and one of the richest constituencies in the country If

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the economy is effectively flat mining, he must have forgotten to

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tell them here. This is a luxury sports car Shop with a waiting list

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of 18 months. Just opposite is a more traditional business, a family

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run barbers that has been here since 1978. Business is very good.

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It is arriving. Everybody needs a haircut. It is good. The Chancellor

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is just pleased that their economy is just growing at all. He will

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press on with the cuts believing it will give the economy more room to

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grow. Not everybody agrees. Trade has dropped off. We have had to put

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staff -- had to cut staff are as. The trade is not there. People are

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not spending money. Everything has gone up. It is terrible. The

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pension is not worth it. I only get �120. Once you have paid utilities,

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there is nothing left. Growth may have slowed it to a virtual stop,

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but there are still cuts to come. Now, can you imagine this as

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Britain's answer to Orlando? Blackpool's tourism bosses

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certainly hope you can. In 40 days' time, they will be opening eight

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new and improved attractions, but will that be enough?

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The resort desperately needs families to ditch the cheap holiday

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abroad and stay put here in the north west. They are hoping the

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facelift will make Blackpool the country's number one family

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destination. Let's join Jayne Barrett on North Pier now.

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It is wonderful weather. This family has come from Kent and they

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are like goal dust for the tourist chiefs in Blackpool. Behind us is

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the new head land, and then you Madam Tussauds. The new tower will

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open with brand new attractions inside. It is all good stuff. They

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thought that will be enough to convince families to stay not just

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for a weekend but to come for their main holiday. Welcome to

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Blackpool's new dungeon. It is grim. As grim as recent tourist figures

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for Blackpool. They have dropped over the last few years. You are

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hoping that this will help to improve visitor numbers? Yes, we

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are already up 22% on the numbers. It is all about family so, bringing

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more families here. Hoping the stay longer and spend more. If there was

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more to do, I would probably consider it. They gone are the

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roadworks. Up goes the new Waterfront wedding chapel. Things

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are changing here. But for these hotelier's, change is a challenge.

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We cannot compete with the travel lodges. We will have to try.

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Tourist chiefs say investment is crucial. Back in the Tower,

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renovation and restoration goes on. This year, it will be all going

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Blackpool. Do you think this season might still be quite tough for you?

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It is always tough. All was tough, black -- or was toff, but Blackpool

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hopes Blackpool will be a true family destination. But can

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families afford it? A family ticket for four or to the dungeon is �50.

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I asked if people can afford it, they reckon that they can. And you

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will be back? Yes! We wondered if you were going to

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speak to them! Bags very much. 30 years ago, Liverpool named four

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new streets after its four most famous sons. Lennon, McCartney,

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Harrison, Starr. No mention though of the man who played with the Fab

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Four more than 1,000 times and who left just before they hit the big

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time. But that was put right today. The city announced that it's naming

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a new street after the former Beatles drummer, Pete Best. And

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it's honouring the part Pete's mum played in Liverpool's musical

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history. Andy Gill reports. Pete Best and builder chums

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recreate the Abbey Road pose for the cameras. A Beatles episode long

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after Pete left. But he's delighted at seeing his name on a street sign.

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Whatever my contribution has been to the music industry, it has been

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realised. People will know I have had a street named after me.

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Pete drummed with Beatles for two years in Liverpool, Hamburg and

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elsewhere. He was sacked in August 1962. One fan has fought for more

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than 30 years to get him recognition. He is a great

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ambassador for Liverpool. I think he is deserving of this.

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The new estate will also have a street called Casbah Close. Named

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after the nearby basement club where the Beatles played some of

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their first shows. It was Liverpool's first rock and roll

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club. It was started in the basement of a home owned by Peter's

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mum. The family say their mum, Mona,

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would have been very proud. She did not know when she started the club

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that it would be the catalyst of the Mersey beat a sound.

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The new street is on the site of Everton's old training ground. Good

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job Pete's a Blue. I used to watch them training through the fence. I

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never thought my name would be up here. Andy Gill BBC North West

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Tonight Liverpool. He seemed quite emotional.

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Just one bit of sport now, and the shock decision of Celtic Crusaders

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to withdraw from Rugby League's top division meant there were no

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worries for any North West clubs over the renewal of their

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Superleague licences. Salford Reds, who move into a new stadium next

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year, are safe for the next two years. Widnes Vikings, whose

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application was confirmed six weeks ago, will join them in the top

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flight. The sign is shining -- of the sun

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Yes, it is the best place to be in the United Kingdom and this week.

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We have been sandwiched between two weather fronts. We have had

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sunshine all afternoon. The western fringes have seen the best of that

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sunshine so far today. Two weather fronts, we are in between. But they

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will fizzle out as we go through tonight. Another fairly decent day

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for us tomorrow. But this weather front is more determined as we go

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into the stiff. We will see a few splashes of rain. -- into Thursday.

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Cloud will increase through the night, but mostly dry. Not

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particularly called again. Temperatures the Billy similar to

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last night -- not cold again, temperatures are fairly similar to

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last night. The Isle of Man will see the best of the sunshine

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tomorrow. For the afternoon, but cloud will be increasing for the

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majority of us. Not as much sunshine as we have had today, but

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temperatures of 22 or 23 degrees. On Thursday, a little bit damp. The

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showers will fizzle out as we go through the day. But this settled

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weather will return to was on Friday. Temperatures of 22 degrees.

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It could be worse! Now is all publicity good

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publicity? If you'd asked staff at one Lake District hotel earlier

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this year, the answer would probably have been no.

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The Damson Dene was dubbed the new Fawlty Towers after it starred in

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Channel 4's fly-on-the-wall series The Hotel. But over two million

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people watched the show, so was fame good or bad for business?

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Naomi Cornwall checked in to find out.

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Upstairs and downstairs. 60 cameras recording 24 hours a day for six

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weeks. There was no escape for the staff and guests at the Damson Dene

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Hotel during last year's summer season. Not a very pleasant

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season. Not a very pleasant experience. But I think it amused

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people. They took a risk, but it seems to have paid off. We have

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seen searches for the hotel increase markedly. But over the

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first few weeks of the series, that increase in interest did not

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translate into the increase in bookings that they had been

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expecting. When the first two episodes appeared, we thought we

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had made a bad mistake. We did not feel that they portrayed the hotel

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in the correct light. But when they got into the programme and when

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they saw how close and hard we work, it improved. Room bookings have now

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tripled. Even more people are coming in just to meet the staff.

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Does it feel strange to be recognised? It does, yes. We were

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watching the series and I felt that coming in here, it was almost like

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you knew them. Fame has brought some surprises. I have had quite a

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few letters from people proposing. People know that I used to sing

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years ago and they have asked me to make a CD. He is now in talks with

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TV producers about further projects. He is loving it.

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Pink and yellow oyster mushrooms from Ormskirk are going on sale in

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supermarkets across the country today. They've been farmed in

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Lancashire for 20 years now and it's hoped they'll boost demand for

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gourmet mushrooms. Are you a good cook?

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