17/05/2017 Points West

Welcome to BBC Points West with Alex Lovell and David Garmston.

He's confronted by a worshipper after talking about trade deals

on alcohol inside a Sikh Temple in Brisitol.

I don't want alcohol. I'm a practising Sikh. To me, that is

absolutely outrageous. Mr Johnson says he was

making a good point. We'll have the latest

on the election campaign. Rough justice. A soldier

from Wiltshire is trapped by paedophile hunters on

his way to a non-existent date. The new housing estate where

the homes appear very different from the terms of

the planning consent. And journey's end - the fan from

Austrialia who turned up for the There's been criticism of

Boris Johnson after an uncomfortable He was taken to task for talking

about boosting sales of alcohol Members of the community were also

unhappy with other aspects Here's our political

editor, Paul Barltrop. But plenty of phones recorded

what happened at the Sikh What started as a standard

political visit To deliver a strong and table

approach to those... about boosting sales

of whisky to India. Their religion

disapproves of alcohol. When I heard that on the news, I was

like, no way am I going to vote Tory. I don't want alcohol. I'm a

practising Sikh. To me, that's outrageous.

Later, a discussion about foreign affairs caused further friction.

We think there is no more evidence to be produced. Are I don't think

that's a very good answer. The Foreign Secretary's visit

clearly didn't go well. Surprise the way it was handled. He

did manage somehow. Could have been handled a little bit better. People

are not happy about that. Not too many happy. Because, everybody wants

some help there. It wasn't very useful? I think so, yeah. Not too

many people happy about this. Up the road in Yate,

he was on easier ground at a cafe - the day's only event where TV

cameras were allowed. He was reluctant, but eventually

explained what had happened earlier. I think, if I remember correctly, he

she said she'd some personal experience of alcohol abuse within

her family. I said I was sorry to hear about her own circumstances.

That was the issue. There was a clear political significance to

today's visit. This temple is in Bristol East, a Labour constituency

the Tories would have much like to take. The visit shows their

determination to hold on to a seat with the west ease smallest

majority. As is so often the case with Boris Johnson, the atension was

on other things. And this is what they'd

hoped today's visit - but instead became

another Boris moment. Joining me now from St George

is the person who challenged Boris Johnson on today's visit

to the Sikh Temple, Balbir Kaur. For coming on the programme. Why

were you so offended? Sorry, I didn't hear you. Why were you so

offended by what Mr Johnson said? Basically, he was standing inside

the prayer room next to the holy book. He was promoting, selling

alcohol to India. Doing free trade with India. It shocked me because

he's in a temple which promotes no alcohol. Sikhism abhors alcohol at

all times. Alcohol is not good for you. Also, the fact alcohol... Sorry

to interrupt. It is doing so much damage already in India. There's so

much people dying of alcoholism. The Indian Government is buying alcohol

from Britain and then giving it away free to buy votes. Let me put the

other side of the story to you, if I could. He'd covered his head, taken

off his shoes. He was trying to respectful and not all Sikhs ban

alcohol. Many Sikhs in Britain enjoy it and in India, billions of litres

of the stuff are sold? It's not consumed by baptised Sikhs. He was

in our temple which is about Sikhism. Alcohol is not something

you will promote. If he wanted to talk about alcohol, he could have

talked somewhere else. He should have made it apparent to the people

who arranged this meeting, they should have done it outside the

temple. It is not a place where they should be discussing alcohol.

Especially to promote it. If he was saying they were doing something

about stopping alcohol, I would have no objection. But it was the fact he

was actually promoting it and he was promoting it to the fact of asking

people to vote for them so they can do free trade with India so they can

sell more and get more people drunk and let more people die. It needs to

be stopped not just in India but in England as well. Governments should

be standing against alcoholism not promoting it. Anybody who wants to

vote for the Tories, who want to do free trade with any country with

alcohol, should not be voted for. We're fighting against a bad line

with you. We'll leave it there. Thank you for coming on the

programme. Nice to see you. Thank you.

And tomorrow, we're on the election trail again.

This time in Cheltenham, a seat the Lib Dems

would very much like to win back from the Conservatives.

So, if you spot me and the sofa, come over and have a chat.

A soldier from Wiltshire has admitted attempting to meet a child

after being trapped by a vigilante detective.

Private Sam Dallow thought he'd been chatting to a 14-year-old girl

online and arranged to meet her at a train station.

But when he arrived, he found he'd been set-up.

It's the latest case to use evidence gathered by groups

calling themselves Paedophile Hunters.

their work has been heavily criticised by the police.

What are you doing here? Waiting for a friend.

Private Sam Dallow says he was waiting for a friend -

But really he was waiting for what he thought was a 14

-year-old girl he'd been chatting to online.

That girl was actually Shane Brannigan -

He poses as underage girls on the internet then tricks

paedophiles into meeting him - before handing them

You're scum. You are a disgusting individual.

This meeting at a train station was all streamed live on Facebook -

and then uploaded to Shane Brannigan's website

It's the latest case to use evidence gathered by paedophile hunters.

Shane Brannigan was posing as a young girl. As part of his work,

Shane Brannigan printed those messages off and handed them over to

police alongside the video of his meeting with Dalow. It's that

evidence that's led Dalow to an offence of meeting a child. Dalow

will be back on June 8th for sentencing. The judge said maximum

credit will be given for admitting the offence but to expect a

custodial sentence. It's the latest case to use evidence

gathered by paedophile hunters. There's now at least 15

of these groups in Britain. The vigilantes say they're

helping out police forces - claiming their budgets

are at breaking point - by doing the detective work

detectives are unable They've no money, resources, no

funding. There isn't enough people in the teams to do this. Leave it to

people like me who care about the investigation.

But the police are critical of these amateur detectives.

They say they can jeopardise ongoing investigations giving paedophiles

And their actions can have other consequences -

This sting by paedophile hunters in Essex caused this mass

brawl outside a shopping centre on Easter Sunday -

they are taking the law into their own hands

and they are taking in my view risks that are simply not acceptable

and the risks that they are posing to children

are simply inappropriate" As tonight Sam Dallow

begins his sentence in prison - caught by another paedophile hunter

- the debate about the vigilantes and their work continues.

A wet Wednesday, and you're watching BBC Points West.

Stay with us, as there's much more still to bring you tonight.

We find out how gloucestershire students duped journalists

And the rain will depart. Tomorrow is much brighter and drier. Details

towards the end of the programme. A new housing development in Bristol

has been pulled from the market as Three-bedroom homes were supposed

to be built on the site in Bridgwater Road - but instead

four-bed houses have appeared, Now the council is considering

whether to pull the buildings down. These are three and

four bedroom homes. The thing is, the developer,

Highridge Homes, only has permission The planning application shows

what they're supposed to look like. The reality is very different -

they're taller, and include dormers Catherine Withers says

no-one locally is against What they are against is

the developers being allowed to get We're desperately disappointed

with Bristol City Council, with the actions of the planning

department. I got in touch with enforcement

and we thought there's be some action in 10 days -

no action was taken. For one resident, though,

the development's Highridge Homes, using different

trade names, has been using Jo Hopkins's address

to drop off their deliveries. And she's now starting to get

demands through the door On top of that, she believes they're

trying to grab her land. This triangle of land

belongs to her house. The developers need it

for their access road. Jo says they've already knocked

down the fence once, and used the land to put in gas

and electricity supplies. Also, every attempt

she's made to contact I just feels like

nobody's listening. We've told the council

about our land, we've reiterated the protocol about how to develop

on land not solely owned If we come to sell, we'd be

answerable if we let this go. High ridge homes have amollingised

and will take steps to ensure it doesn't happen again. As for the

land, they say it was offered for sale but they declined to buy it.

In a statement, Bristol City council acknowledges

the development is unauthorised, and says a retrospective planning

application has been submitted for consideration.

A decision will be made by the Council's Development

If councillors refuse planning permission they do have the power

to force the developers to rebuild the homes to the correct size.

But it's not something councils like to do.

In the meantime, the estate agents marketing the homes have

An inquest has heard that concerns were raised about the mental health

of a young father from Cheltenham who took his own life in prison

27-year-old Callum Smith had a history of mental illness

when he was remanded in custody last February.

after threatening to burn down his mother's house.

His family want to know whether more could have been done

Meanwhile in Bristol people at risk of a mental health

crisis are being offered a new card to carry.

It contains details of how they can be helped if they have a breakdown.

The trial scheme is the first of its kind in the West and it's

hoped it will relieve pressure on the emergency services.

This is the first design of the card.

Printed on one side are the details of helplines.

But the idea is the person carrying the card fills in the other side.

Meaning that someone who finds them in a mental health crisis might

The ambition is that people have a better experience of response in a

crisis situation but also that we can steer them away from using the

blue light services. Mark's an artist and raises

awareness of mental health through exhibitions -

and his own experiences. Suffering from anxiety myself, I

find it really hard to find my voice. So, I think those cards would

be really, really good. All the information is there. So then when I

feel like really anxious, if I'm in a social situation, somebody, if

they do want to help me, they can see it all there in front of them.

But if they're to work - people need to know to look for them.

Jayne has epilepsy and has also struggled with depression.

I've had it where people have walked past me and I've really needed help

and I've felt really scared. Scared to ask anyone. You feel a bit of a

freak. But if somebody goes up and they can look in your pocket and

they can see it, then they know that you've got a problem. You can help

somebody. At the moment there are only 1,500

cards as part of the trial. But if it's successful they could be

rolled out across the city. A video of a Gloucestershire

student getting a first after finishing his assignment

in a nightclub has gone viral But it turns out the film

and story was entirely fake. University students created it

as part of a project but then went one step further

when the press got interested. Here's our Gloucestershire

reporter, Steve Knibbs. It started as a project to create

a comedy video and see how far it And it soon went viral -

not long after the press association, a well respected

trusted source, contacted the students who decided to keep

the fake story going... PA published the story

and which was then picked up by several news organisations

online, including the BBC local A university student filmed working

ons an he is say working in a nightclub revealed he got a first

for the assignment. Shows a lack of diligence in the press. Makes you

think what's real and fake out there. People should be wiser when

they open their newspapers. I'm a little shocked in terms of they

haven't checked their sources. Taken everything at face value. They were

just a group of students trying to make a video viral. I call the fake

news the enemy of the people. The fake news.

Of course fake news isn't new, and this was just a frivolous story

but the press association said it spoke to the students

Were the students right to mislead the press in that way? We don't

condone any students, or any members of the staff, deliberately

misleading the press. What the Press Association didn't do was to contact

our press office at the University of Gloucestershire and talk to us

about the story. Had they done that, we had very explained the situation.

This is the second time the film production course

In this era of the internet, it seems that not believing everything

you read and see may on occasion be true.

Are you tell me the truth now? No, of course I am. Yes, I'm telling the

truth. It is all staged. Who do we believe anymore? Helpfully our next

guest. Ian Mean is a journalist with over

50 years experience, with Gloucestershire Media,

the Western Daily Press, the Daily Mail and the Express

and he joins us now. Thank you for joining us. The fact

checking here was done. The student said, this is real. What more could

have been done? Well, Alex, they went out to deceive straightaway.

There are two red lines in journalism, whether it's in print or

broadcast media. One of those red lines is trust. And the other, the

most important, is accuracy. In my view, the person who's running this

course didn't do a great job. If he's actually encouraging students

to lie - because that's what they did - let's be really clear, when

Donald Trump talks about fake news as he has done a great deal today,

in my view, that is untrue news. And it's totally unacceptable. Of

course, we understand as you do, this was frivolous by the very

nature of it. However, it can be more serious as you've alluded to,

Donald Trump there, we're in a period coming up to an election. We

are indeed. I think if you look at the political parties and you

analyse the newspapers every morning, as you do and I do, you

could say there's a lot of fake news in those newspapers. Fake news ie

stories that are not going to come true. One of the issues I think we

have today in journalism is that there's too much reliance,

particularly by inexperienced reporters on social media. They grab

at a social media story immediately, believing it to be totally true.

Sometimes, without checking the facts. In this story, as Steve

Knibbs did, it would have been clear early on with a simple call to the

press office, was this a true story or was it frivolous? So, when you

have a story like this, you know, I was always taught on the Daily Mail,

you probably need three good sources to stand that story up and be clear

that it is true. Of course, the Daily Mail's not always without

blame but I do understand your point. With regards to consumers out

there, people are sitting at home thinking, What am I meant to do? If

it comes from a reputable source, then I believe it. Even these fake

news stories people people doubt those. What would you do as a

consumer? You make up your own mind. Whether you look at Points West or

another channel or you buy my old paper the Daily Mail or the Daily

Mirror. It is a simple choice. But you do need, Alex, trusted news. The

Press Association you quoted in this story is the national news agency of

this country. Highly yes reliable. Very, very respectable. The students

lied to them basically. Well, thank you so much for joining us to

discuss this. Very interesting. I think probably read as many papers

as you can, listen to things. The social media site's taking it really

seriously. They're going to have little alarms come up if there's any

doubt to the validity of the story. Now, it's 40 years to the day

that the BBC's Antiques Roadshow Today, the show was in Minehead

kicking off it's new series, as ever, trying

to unearth some gems. And the awful weather

didn't put off the crowds, The queue told it's own story 3000

people who weren't to be I have a nice little teddy here.

He's 60 years old. His birthday soon. It is a 1930s German pillar

drill. Where did that come from? My dad's shed. A wooden Meccano box.

The Beatles, a hard day's night. Some had made quite

an effort to be here. Like the man from from

New Zealand desperate to get an Antiques Roadshow opinion

on his vase. We watch the Antiques road show a

lot. We enjoy it. When we were coming here, I thought, if there's a

show on while we were here, I'd like to come. If you have brought any

arms, armour, guns, knives... As for the experts, well, every show

throws up a surprise or two. This morning, we have had a

deactivated bomb from the 1930s. Now used as a door stop. It will not go

bang, I can promise you that. Then there's John, who doesn't bring

treasures to be valued. In fact, he's watched

200 live shows. Do the now get bored? No, different

place, different people, different items. It's all different.

It's 20 years since Antique Roadshow was last here.

It was a working railway station then.

So did a Picasso, a hidden gem turned up today.

Well, you'll need to wait until this show is broadcast.

And that'll be some time in the autumn.

Our locals are the hidden gems. And those people queueing up in the

rain, I take my hat off to you. I would if it wasn't raining! We saw

the rain but I think it will be a bit brighter. I've had an e-mail

from someone asking if I've had enough rain for my garden. I've

wished for it too much and am being blamed for it.

Always this dichotomy with the weather, I'm conscious it is cold to

wet, dry, we need to be somewhere down the middle. Some people want

the rain and others will be quite the opposite. Let's look at the

forecast into tomorrow. If you're not after further rain, a good deal

of you will be pretty happy. It will be a very different day. A much

brighter and warmer one. For the most part, a fair amount of sunshine

around. There will be the risk of showers as well. Not necessarily

every where. A favoured area for those which I'll come to in a

minute. Here's how things shape up on a wider scale. The front giving

the rain today easing out to the east. Taking the last of the

drizzle. Skies clearing during the course of tonight. A much quieter

story for the most part tomorrow barring the risk of some showers

developing into the afternoon. For the time being, the rain is dragging

its heels. A lot of drizzly rain at the moment still across some western

areas. The back edge of all of this has been closing in through the

likes of ex-poor into the Bristol Channel. It will take a while for

the last of the light rain to go. Ultimately, the skies start to clear

tonight. It will be a noticeably cooler or chillier night in places

compared to the last two. Gones are the 13-15 Celsius. More like 5-8

Celsius. Tomorrow, a bright and dry start. We'll see one or two showers

forming towards late morning into the early afternoon. As the

afternoon wears on, a strip through parts of Somerset, close to the

Mendips across into Bath, North East Somerset and wilt shire catching

showers. Temperatures tomorrow getting up to 16-18 Celsius. With

light winds t will feel a good deal warmer. That's about from us now. No

fake news. We better leave it there, I think. See you again tomorrow.

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