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Welcome to South East Today, I'm Natalie Graham.


Tonight's top stories: A deeply troubling case -


a Government apology to the family of a Kent murder victim


for the substandard service they received.


Celebrating a remarkable recovery from cancer -


the seven-year-old boy who was given a 10% chance of survival.


He wouldn't be here today, but for the wonderful doctors and nurses at


the Royal Marsden Hospital. Also tonight, I will be live in Chatham


as we start our tour around the coast of the south-east, debating


the Bishop issues facing the electorate. The NHS is under more


pressure with wait willing times, more cancelled operations and our


A are struggling to home. We'll be talking live with four political


hopefuls, aiming to take their policies to Westminster next month.


Blue Tobin is an seven-year-old boy from East Kent who's being hailed


When he was two, he was diagnosed with cancer.


His family were told the NHS could only offer a very risky,


pioneering treatment and there was only a 10%


Today, he was declared free of the disease,


It's the sound that says there's no cancer inside his body.


Today seven-year-old Blue Tobin was given the all-clear.


Without the Royal Marsden, without his donor, Andreas,


without the people that raised money for research into these drugs


which saved my son's life, he wouldn't be here today.


But thanks to the wonderful doctors and nurses...


Blue's mother thanks one of the many medics who helped


For her it had been a tortuous journey.


Blue was diagnosed with an aggressive cancer


called myeloid leukaemia when he was two years' old.


The family was told nothing more could be done.


Doctors suggested using two drugs trials in adult cancer,


but never used in a child of Blue's age.


There was only a 10 to 15% chance the drugs would lead to remission.


Blue was well enough to receive a bone marrow transplant.


I cannot remember in 25 years of haematology,


many patients having such a bad leukaemia, who we managed


So many people to thank but how do you thank anybody


All but one of our hospital trusts in the South East have failed


to meet the Government's target of seeing 95% of patients


The latest NHS statistics, published today, are the last to be released


Health is one of the most significant issues for voters.


So in the first of our special election broadcasts,


in which we tour the southeast's coastline, we're discussing the NHS.


Let's cross to Rob who is in the Medway towns.


Yes, I am, I'm in Chatham on the River Medway. I have been on the


water today. We'll test the political waters in a very literal


sense. This is the boat I have been on. There are three constituencies


in the Medway towns, each in their own way bellwethers for which way


people nationally are likely to vote.


For these Medway towns, just after the war, Stroud, Rochesterer,


Gillingham, Rainham, they voted Labour. In Thatcher years they voted


Tory,nd Tony Blair they went red again. Whoever wins here, has a good


chance of forming the Government. I've come off the boat. Let's go


into Chatham and have a chat with people about what they think the big


issues are? We need to get the Brexit vote done and dusted and know


where we are. At the moment we don't know. I shouldn't say this. The


country is giving far too much away to other countries instead of


looking after ourselves. I think there needs to be a focus on the


NHS. Fewer and fewer GPs and long waiting lists for operations. I


think they should do more for mental hale. I have suffered a bit since I


was about six years' old and trying to get help is really hard. When you


go to the hospital, like, you wait three hours, four hours, you know, I


think that's, you know, that's too much. Quite honestly, you need my


husband who's gone to the car, because whatever he thinks, I go


along with. What about the NHS, is it important to you? Absolutely. I


paid into it all my life. I want to make sure when I get older, they are


going it look after me, you know. Well, the NHS is clearly something


that is high in people's thoughts when I found out up at the dockside


retail centre in chat home. Mark is with me. Another set of figures have


been published today to show how much pressure the NHS is under It is


startling because it has been a mild winter so they vowed have had a good


time to be honest. It is about resource verses demand. Do they have


the resources they need, maybe money or staff. Set that against the


rising demand, we have seen a huge rise, it'll only get worse in the


next five, ten, 20 years, when it goes wrong, well we have seen what


happens when it goes wrong more often than not but we have seen


outstanding care from the NHS staff when under pressure. I have taken a


road trip, coast to coast, Kent to Sussex, started off in the Medway


towns, to see the challenges facing the health service.


So the first stop will be the Medway Maritime Hospital.


A few years ago labelled one of the worst hospitals in the country.


Patients were dying unnecessarily, thousands were being


They've come a long way in the last 18 months.


A few weeks ago, I watched as the Chief Executive told her staff...


Medway NHS Foundation Trust is now taken out of special measures.


But just as hospitals can both struggle with the pressures


and offer great care from dedicated staff, patients also see


It's always really striking that people can almost hold two


So, people can understand that there's lots of stress


in the system, that lots of bits don't work as they should,


but then can also feel very angry and frustrated that,


for them, that's meant I can't get the service that


And nowhere is that seen more clearly than in A


Across the country, departments have seen attendances up


30% in the last decade and every A is struggling to employ enough


staff, manage demand and hit Government targets.


Emergency departments are supposed to see, treat,


admit or discharge patients within four hours.


Last winter not one of our hospitals in Kent,


In East Kent, 37% of patients had to wait more than four hours,


one of the worst records in the country.


But the problems are not unique to one hospital or one


I'm crossing the border from Kent and Medway


into Sussex and to my right, the hospital in Redhill.


Last winter it had one of the highest numbers of what used


to be called black alerts, that threatened patients' safety.


The hospitals in Eastbourne and Hastings weren't far behind.


But we are on our way to Brighton - a trust recently put into special


measures but also one where they're spending almost ?500 million


This is the Royal Sussex County Hospital and you can see


the money being spent here on the redevelopment.


Bedblocking, or what they now call "delayed discharges",


are a huge issue both here and indeed across the country.


In January 2017, patients spent almost 200,000 days


stuck in a hospital bed when they didn't have to.


The NHS say that increases the cost of treatment


Here in Brighton, they spent almost 2,600 days stuck in a hospital bed.


The highest rate of any hospital in the south-east.


I've looked at A and delayed discharges.


There is not one dysfunctional part of the system, where if you put it


right suddenly everything is going to fall into place.


What we need are real steps towards integration


and that means when services are being commissioned,


When services are being provided, they are being provided


Integrated care, a phrase we are going to hear


Integration is a term that kind of covers a whole range of things


and we do need to join those up but to develop those kinds


of services whilst maintaining a hospital service will require


additional resources and that takes time.


We are changing both organisations and cultures.


It's not a case that you can simply switch services


So I've ended up on Brighton Beach and like the tide the problems


I haven't even mentioned the problems getting a GP appointment,


cancer waiting times, not enough midwives,


What about the problems with the Ambulance Service


or what about the five year forward view.


There's mental health services and not enough...


An awful lot of issues there we could go into. It is worth bearing


in mind how enormous the NHS is. It employs 1.7 million in total. The


country spends ?110 billion a year and the number of operations carried


out are 40% more per year than they were in 2005 but clearly the strains


are starting to show. Lots of additions in waiting times, people


not getting the operations they need necessarily when they want to have


them. What are we going to do about it? I have three people who want to


represent their constituents in the next parliamentary round in the next


generation. I'm joined by Helen Whately, for the Conservatives. And


Christine Baylis and Emmanuel Feyisetan representing Ukip and I


should say we wanted to have Stephen Lloyd from the Liberal Democrats but


he is stuck in traffic. Helen Whately, what are you going to do


about it? I would say the NHS Sunday a great deal of pressure at the


moment, as you have mentioned. That's absolutely true but we also


shouldn't just look at the problems we should look at what is working.


Before I was a Member of Parliament I worked in health care, spent lots


of times in hospitals and the doctors would say this to me -


please don't focus on where it is difficult, A but lots of things


are going well. Here in Chatham... We know those good things and it is


coming out of special measures but what are you going to do to improve


things? Your Government has been in power forself years, more of the


same? Medway is doing well, come out of special measures, one of the


hospitals on the other side in my constituency, East Kent, has come


out of special measures, people are surviving cancers and other serious


diseases they wouldn't have before? How are you going to improve things


sn.s we need to keep on improving T some that of is money, my Government


has been putting in an extra ?10 billion into the NHS annually.


That's a significant increase inness iffing and also the NHS is working


off its own bottom-up plans on how to improve, that means bringing


health care and social care together. Christine, how are Labour


trying to improve the situation? Well, Labour have got a variety of


ideas. They will be set out in the manifesto which is being published


on Tuesday of next week. But one of the issues that really affects my


residents in Bexhill and Battle is the join-up between social care and


the health service and that is really, really important, that we


make sure that there is a seamless service... More of an integrated


thought process. More of that. But your party wants to see


significantly more money being put into the NHS, doesn't it? Where will


it come from? ? As I say, you will see that all in the manifesto, John


McDonnell has committed to costing all the policies that will be in


there and I know that there will be policies on the NHS and also saying


how the money will be raised. We know that, for example, there will


be increases in corporation tax and taxation for the very, very top


earners. So it will be more taxation in order to spend more on the NHS


under a Labour Government. But not from ordinary working people. It


will be from the few. Ukip, how would Ukip sort out the NHS


situation? Well, Ukip is going to do a lot. Ukip the NHS, is something we


know, it is the pride of the nation and Ukip hopes to keep it that way.


Ukip is putting in additional 3,000 - ?3 billion every year into getting


more staff... Where is the money coming from, from coming out of the


evident U? From coming out of the EU eventually but there is a measure


before we come out of the EU and it is going to be through health


insurance and that will be, you know, health insurance for people


coming into the country. The a ban on health tourism. People coming


into the UK and using the NHS? Yes, people coming in and using the NHS.


There will be a stop on that and people will be required to have


health insurance which will provide more care and give the NHS a better


service for the people. So this is what Ukip is wanting to do. And this


is essentially what the NHS needs in order to get... It would be nice if


we could have a whole 25 minutes to go into this in more depth. It is


almost impossible to get across all the aspects in T thank you for being


with us and outlining some of the policies your parties will be


putting forward given the opportunity. You can see a great


deal more about the position that all the main parties will be doing


on the BBC's website. There's more information


about the position of all the main parties on this issue on the BBC


Website bbc.co.uk/election. We'll be back later


with more from Chatham. The family of a woman


who was stabbed to death in Canterbury last year,


have received an apology from the country's top lawyer


for the way the case was handled. The Attorney General says


he was deeply troubled by a series of mistakes made


by the Crown Prosecution Service during the sentencing


of those responsible As Robin Gibson reports her


family have now been told For the families of the victims of


this brutea murder, even support from the Attorney-General feels like


a hollow victory. He's agreed the families of Natasha sad letter Ellis


and Simon Gorecki, murdered in Canterbury more than a year ago,


received shabby treatment from the Crown Prosecution Service. -- the


families of Natasha Sadler. It is shocking. Somebody has to be


made accountable. We will fight on, it won't deter us. The


Attorney-General agrees. In a letter Jeremy Wright said:


The families are foo you arous they ran out of time to appeal against


sentences against two accomplices. One was sentenced to a year and one


ten weeks for helping to conceal the knife used. It is unusual for the


attorney to speak in such strong terms. Clearly the family concerned


weren't well-served by the Crown Prosecution Service and it is


appropriate, isn't it, that he should aapproximately Is on their


approximate approximate behalf. The two were stabbed after a housemate's


row. The which willer was this man, Foster Christian who was sentenced


to a life with not less than 30 years' tariff. The family feel they


were let down by the prosecution service who should have told them


they had only 28 days to appeal The 28 days past and then - I'm sorry,


it's too late now but he has to be held accountable. The sentences


stand but the families are now hoping for a judicial review.


A teenager accused of killing his stepfather with a single punch,


in a row over pocket money, is no longer facing a murder charge.


18-year-old Douglas Herridge is still accused of manslaughter,


following the death of former national squash champion


Colin Payne at their home in Dartford last November.


The teenager claims he acted in self-defence.


Tributes have been paid to a Romanian man whose body was found


Razvan Sirbu, who was 21, was discovered in the Loose


Nehir Armstrong believes she was one of the last


She stopped to talk to him in the early hours of Saturday


She said news of his death has left her devastated.


I can't stop crying since I feel guilty.


Do something different maybe, handle differently, maybe.


Maybe I have to make sure he is all right.


Maybe I should follow him, I don't know what to do but,


Piers Hopkirk is in Tovil for us now.


What more do we know about the victim, Razvan Sirbu? Detectives are


trying to build up a picture of his life. We know he came to the UK last


October. That he's from Romania. We know that he has family in the


Gravesend area and that he'd worked there for a recruitment firm. He'd


also worked in warehouses around Maidstone and Paddock Wood. At times


we know he'd slept rough. He had come to this specific spot in Tovil


less than a day or so before his death, presumably and ironically,


for the peace and tranquillity it provides. Detectives are now trying


to work out why it was he met such a violent end here.


That's it from me in the Studio, we can cross back now


Thank you very much, Natalie. It is a beautiful evening here. We have


been hearing some of the views of the political parties. I'm pleased


to say that Stephen Lloyd from the Liberal Democrats has pulled up into


the car park. We will be able to have a conversation with him in a


moment. But what are your thoughts of what the politicians are saying?


Is it in tune your thinking or hopelessly out of step? Where better


to gauge that, than at a dance class.


One, two, three, four, five and check.


The snap election wrong-footed everyone.


The carefully choreographed campaigns are now in full swing.


It's a familiar routine, but is it one that voters can follow?


I don't think "excited" would be the word.


Strictly speaking, elections are won on policies like health,


education and the economy, but this time round, the real


judges, the voters here in Medway, have another category in mind.


Chasse, forward, point, turn, turn, turn, turn.


Unfortunately Brexit is a big issue because, well,


If we get a good deal with Europe, obviously everything else benefits.


Health and education is probably more important to me than Brexit,


in an ordinary election, but I think Brexit at the moment


So in the early rounds Brexit may have stolen the show


but the old favourites never go away.


I think we're doing fantastically considering how bad it is.


I have never had a problem with the NHS around here.


The doctors' surgeries, to be fair, if you want to get an appointment


you have to ring up and it could be two, three weeks.


Knowing that the NHS is going to be there in five or ten years' time


Obviously if it is not, we have to pay for it


all and we become very Americanised, and it's going to be


But this contest has only just started.


There are four more weeks for the political


parties to persuade voters to take their lead.


I'm pleased to stay that Stephen Lloyd from the Liberal Democrats, as


I said he'd made it clear, got through the traffic. Thank you very


much for joining us this evening. Thank you, my pleasure. We have been


talking about the NHS and the fact that it would appear to be creeking


at the seams on the margins. The Liberal Democrats are the only party


that have said up front would you put a penny on income tax to pay for


more services in the NHS? Absolutely. Funnily enough, first of


all sorry I'm late but listening on the news coming here, the recent


report shows that the NHS is borse than it has been for the last five


years, I'm sure you have already covered that. I'm pleased with the


Liberal Democrat position. Three key things, one, putting a penny on


income tax, so it is costed, an extra ?6.9 billion which includes


social care and mental health. People know that's the sort of money


that is necessary for the NHS. The second thing I'm pleased about is


that the income for social care. Everyone out there knows it is not


just the hospital issue it is the issues in social care. We are


putting together a package that covers both and last but not least,


we recognise it is bigger than politics, frankly bigger than party


politics, Norman Lambe our former Health Minister has put forward a


very clear proposal, before the snap election was called where he and a


few Conservatives and Labour, cross-party went into the Department


of health and said - come on, we have to sit down and sort this out


together. In electoral terms, saying you want people it pay more money,


do you think you want people it pay more money,


do you on the NHS, I do. We all know that Labour's thing of another poach


of the top 5%, I think about their 12th pledge on the top 5% doesn't


work. What people understand with the health service is we all need it


and use it and I think everyone would be prepared to contribute that


bit extra to make it work. Thank you for being with us this evening.


Let's turn to Helen Catt our Political Editor. We have heard from


the political parties this eepg, why is the NHS such a big issue? As


Stephen said, I think it is because everybody uses it, and usually at a


time in their life when they are quite vulnerable or emotional. It is


something everyone has a real emotional connection W added to


that, we've had a lot of big figures bandied around. ?6 billion from


lakes ?7 from the UK, ?3 billion from the Ukip and ?from the


Conservatives. But how do we pay for the NHS, with an annual budget of


?120 billion, will these things add that much. We have not heard from


the green Party this evening, we will talk to them in other


programmes. They have yet to launch their policies. They've talked about


ending private involvement in the NHS. They've also made some specific


mental health pledges this week, saying they would guarantee access


to psychological therapy within 28 days for everyone that needs it.


Before we get to the end of the programme, lets anticipate find out


what will be going on with the weather. Sarah Keith Lucas is with


us here in Chatham. And fine end to the day here in


Chatham. Across the region a decent day. Temperatures up to 21. There


has been a bit more cloud that has been creeping in over the past few


hours and out of that cloud a few showers, too. So that's how it looks


at the moment. We have showers around along the south coast. Most


of us dry as we end the day. Tomorrow a similar sort of day. It


is looking humid and there will be chat scattered showers around. Back


to this evening and evernight we'll continue to see showers moving away


northwards T could bring with them the odd rumble the thunder. Hit and


miss and not everywhere seeing the showers. That's how we start the day


tomorrow. Showers from the word go. But looking frost-free, a milder


start than it was this morning. Through the day tomorrow, some


showers through the middle of the day could be heaviy, potentially


under thisry and temperatures up to 17 or 18 but they fade away through


the course of Friday night. So, by the time when we get to Saturday


morning, it is looking frost-free once again and set is going to be a


pretty decent day, dry, plenty of sunshine on offer and temperatures


doing reasonably well. 17 or 18. A bit of useful rain overnight


Saturday into Sunday and Sunday another largely dry but a


fresher-feeling day. Sarah, thank you very much. Well, that's it from


us for this evening. Straight after this we'll be doing


a Facebook live event with our political editor Helen Catt


and with our health You can get involved


on facebook.com/bbcsoutheasttoday. But for now from us in Chatham. Good


evening. Ukip created history


and won us all Brexit. I grew up on a council estate, where


everybody there just voted Labour.