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Welcome to South East Today, I'm Natalie Graham.

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Tonight's top stories: A deeply troubling case -

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a Government apology to the family of a Kent murder victim

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for the substandard service they received.

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Celebrating a remarkable recovery from cancer -

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the seven-year-old boy who was given a 10% chance of survival.

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He wouldn't be here today, but for the wonderful doctors and nurses at

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the Royal Marsden Hospital. Also tonight, I will be live in Chatham

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as we start our tour around the coast of the south-east, debating

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the Bishop issues facing the electorate. The NHS is under more

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pressure with wait willing times, more cancelled operations and our

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A are struggling to home. We'll be talking live with four political

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hopefuls, aiming to take their policies to Westminster next month.

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Blue Tobin is an seven-year-old boy from East Kent who's being hailed

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When he was two, he was diagnosed with cancer.

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His family were told the NHS could only offer a very risky,

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pioneering treatment and there was only a 10%

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Today, he was declared free of the disease,

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It's the sound that says there's no cancer inside his body.

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Today seven-year-old Blue Tobin was given the all-clear.

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Without the Royal Marsden, without his donor, Andreas,

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without the people that raised money for research into these drugs

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which saved my son's life, he wouldn't be here today.

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But thanks to the wonderful doctors and nurses...

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Blue's mother thanks one of the many medics who helped

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For her it had been a tortuous journey.

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Blue was diagnosed with an aggressive cancer

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called myeloid leukaemia when he was two years' old.

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The family was told nothing more could be done.

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Doctors suggested using two drugs trials in adult cancer,

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but never used in a child of Blue's age.

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There was only a 10 to 15% chance the drugs would lead to remission.

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Blue was well enough to receive a bone marrow transplant.

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I cannot remember in 25 years of haematology,

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many patients having such a bad leukaemia, who we managed

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So many people to thank but how do you thank anybody

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All but one of our hospital trusts in the South East have failed

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to meet the Government's target of seeing 95% of patients

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The latest NHS statistics, published today, are the last to be released

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Health is one of the most significant issues for voters.

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So in the first of our special election broadcasts,

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in which we tour the southeast's coastline, we're discussing the NHS.

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Let's cross to Rob who is in the Medway towns.

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Yes, I am, I'm in Chatham on the River Medway. I have been on the

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water today. We'll test the political waters in a very literal

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sense. This is the boat I have been on. There are three constituencies

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in the Medway towns, each in their own way bellwethers for which way

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people nationally are likely to vote.

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For these Medway towns, just after the war, Stroud, Rochesterer,

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Gillingham, Rainham, they voted Labour. In Thatcher years they voted

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Tory,nd Tony Blair they went red again. Whoever wins here, has a good

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chance of forming the Government. I've come off the boat. Let's go

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into Chatham and have a chat with people about what they think the big

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issues are? We need to get the Brexit vote done and dusted and know

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where we are. At the moment we don't know. I shouldn't say this. The

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country is giving far too much away to other countries instead of

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looking after ourselves. I think there needs to be a focus on the

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NHS. Fewer and fewer GPs and long waiting lists for operations. I

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think they should do more for mental hale. I have suffered a bit since I

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was about six years' old and trying to get help is really hard. When you

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go to the hospital, like, you wait three hours, four hours, you know, I

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think that's, you know, that's too much. Quite honestly, you need my

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husband who's gone to the car, because whatever he thinks, I go

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along with. What about the NHS, is it important to you? Absolutely. I

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paid into it all my life. I want to make sure when I get older, they are

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going it look after me, you know. Well, the NHS is clearly something

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that is high in people's thoughts when I found out up at the dockside

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retail centre in chat home. Mark is with me. Another set of figures have

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been published today to show how much pressure the NHS is under It is

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startling because it has been a mild winter so they vowed have had a good

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time to be honest. It is about resource verses demand. Do they have

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the resources they need, maybe money or staff. Set that against the

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rising demand, we have seen a huge rise, it'll only get worse in the

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next five, ten, 20 years, when it goes wrong, well we have seen what

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happens when it goes wrong more often than not but we have seen

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outstanding care from the NHS staff when under pressure. I have taken a

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road trip, coast to coast, Kent to Sussex, started off in the Medway

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towns, to see the challenges facing the health service.

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So the first stop will be the Medway Maritime Hospital.

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A few years ago labelled one of the worst hospitals in the country.

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Patients were dying unnecessarily, thousands were being

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They've come a long way in the last 18 months.

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A few weeks ago, I watched as the Chief Executive told her staff...

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Medway NHS Foundation Trust is now taken out of special measures.

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But just as hospitals can both struggle with the pressures

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and offer great care from dedicated staff, patients also see

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It's always really striking that people can almost hold two

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So, people can understand that there's lots of stress

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in the system, that lots of bits don't work as they should,

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but then can also feel very angry and frustrated that,

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for them, that's meant I can't get the service that

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And nowhere is that seen more clearly than in A

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Across the country, departments have seen attendances up

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30% in the last decade and every A is struggling to employ enough

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staff, manage demand and hit Government targets.

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Emergency departments are supposed to see, treat,

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admit or discharge patients within four hours.

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Last winter not one of our hospitals in Kent,

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In East Kent, 37% of patients had to wait more than four hours,

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one of the worst records in the country.

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But the problems are not unique to one hospital or one

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I'm crossing the border from Kent and Medway

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into Sussex and to my right, the hospital in Redhill.

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Last winter it had one of the highest numbers of what used

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to be called black alerts, that threatened patients' safety.

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The hospitals in Eastbourne and Hastings weren't far behind.

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But we are on our way to Brighton - a trust recently put into special

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measures but also one where they're spending almost ?500 million

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This is the Royal Sussex County Hospital and you can see

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the money being spent here on the redevelopment.

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Bedblocking, or what they now call "delayed discharges",

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are a huge issue both here and indeed across the country.

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In January 2017, patients spent almost 200,000 days

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stuck in a hospital bed when they didn't have to.

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The NHS say that increases the cost of treatment

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Here in Brighton, they spent almost 2,600 days stuck in a hospital bed.

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The highest rate of any hospital in the south-east.

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I've looked at A and delayed discharges.

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There is not one dysfunctional part of the system, where if you put it

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right suddenly everything is going to fall into place.

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What we need are real steps towards integration

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and that means when services are being commissioned,

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When services are being provided, they are being provided

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Integrated care, a phrase we are going to hear

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Integration is a term that kind of covers a whole range of things

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and we do need to join those up but to develop those kinds

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of services whilst maintaining a hospital service will require

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additional resources and that takes time.

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We are changing both organisations and cultures.

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It's not a case that you can simply switch services

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So I've ended up on Brighton Beach and like the tide the problems

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I haven't even mentioned the problems getting a GP appointment,

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cancer waiting times, not enough midwives,

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What about the problems with the Ambulance Service

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or what about the five year forward view.

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There's mental health services and not enough...

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An awful lot of issues there we could go into. It is worth bearing

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in mind how enormous the NHS is. It employs 1.7 million in total. The

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country spends ?110 billion a year and the number of operations carried

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out are 40% more per year than they were in 2005 but clearly the strains

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are starting to show. Lots of additions in waiting times, people

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not getting the operations they need necessarily when they want to have

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them. What are we going to do about it? I have three people who want to

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represent their constituents in the next parliamentary round in the next

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generation. I'm joined by Helen Whately, for the Conservatives. And

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Christine Baylis and Emmanuel Feyisetan representing Ukip and I

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should say we wanted to have Stephen Lloyd from the Liberal Democrats but

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he is stuck in traffic. Helen Whately, what are you going to do

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about it? I would say the NHS Sunday a great deal of pressure at the

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moment, as you have mentioned. That's absolutely true but we also

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shouldn't just look at the problems we should look at what is working.

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Before I was a Member of Parliament I worked in health care, spent lots

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of times in hospitals and the doctors would say this to me -

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please don't focus on where it is difficult, A but lots of things

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are going well. Here in Chatham... We know those good things and it is

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coming out of special measures but what are you going to do to improve

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things? Your Government has been in power forself years, more of the

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same? Medway is doing well, come out of special measures, one of the

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hospitals on the other side in my constituency, East Kent, has come

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out of special measures, people are surviving cancers and other serious

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diseases they wouldn't have before? How are you going to improve things

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sn.s we need to keep on improving T some that of is money, my Government

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has been putting in an extra ?10 billion into the NHS annually.

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That's a significant increase inness iffing and also the NHS is working

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off its own bottom-up plans on how to improve, that means bringing

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health care and social care together. Christine, how are Labour

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trying to improve the situation? Well, Labour have got a variety of

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ideas. They will be set out in the manifesto which is being published

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on Tuesday of next week. But one of the issues that really affects my

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residents in Bexhill and Battle is the join-up between social care and

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the health service and that is really, really important, that we

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make sure that there is a seamless service... More of an integrated

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thought process. More of that. But your party wants to see

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significantly more money being put into the NHS, doesn't it? Where will

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it come from? ? As I say, you will see that all in the manifesto, John

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McDonnell has committed to costing all the policies that will be in

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there and I know that there will be policies on the NHS and also saying

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how the money will be raised. We know that, for example, there will

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be increases in corporation tax and taxation for the very, very top

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earners. So it will be more taxation in order to spend more on the NHS

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under a Labour Government. But not from ordinary working people. It

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will be from the few. Ukip, how would Ukip sort out the NHS

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situation? Well, Ukip is going to do a lot. Ukip the NHS, is something we

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know, it is the pride of the nation and Ukip hopes to keep it that way.

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Ukip is putting in additional 3,000 - ?3 billion every year into getting

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more staff... Where is the money coming from, from coming out of the

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evident U? From coming out of the EU eventually but there is a measure

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before we come out of the EU and it is going to be through health

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insurance and that will be, you know, health insurance for people

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coming into the country. The a ban on health tourism. People coming

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into the UK and using the NHS? Yes, people coming in and using the NHS.

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There will be a stop on that and people will be required to have

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health insurance which will provide more care and give the NHS a better

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service for the people. So this is what Ukip is wanting to do. And this

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is essentially what the NHS needs in order to get... It would be nice if

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we could have a whole 25 minutes to go into this in more depth. It is

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almost impossible to get across all the aspects in T thank you for being

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with us and outlining some of the policies your parties will be

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putting forward given the opportunity. You can see a great

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deal more about the position that all the main parties will be doing

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on the BBC's website. There's more information

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about the position of all the main parties on this issue on the BBC

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Website bbc.co.uk/election. We'll be back later

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with more from Chatham. The family of a woman

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who was stabbed to death in Canterbury last year,

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have received an apology from the country's top lawyer

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for the way the case was handled. The Attorney General says

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he was deeply troubled by a series of mistakes made

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by the Crown Prosecution Service during the sentencing

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of those responsible As Robin Gibson reports her

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family have now been told For the families of the victims of

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this brutea murder, even support from the Attorney-General feels like

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a hollow victory. He's agreed the families of Natasha sad letter Ellis

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and Simon Gorecki, murdered in Canterbury more than a year ago,

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received shabby treatment from the Crown Prosecution Service. -- the

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families of Natasha Sadler. It is shocking. Somebody has to be

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made accountable. We will fight on, it won't deter us. The

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Attorney-General agrees. In a letter Jeremy Wright said:

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The families are foo you arous they ran out of time to appeal against

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sentences against two accomplices. One was sentenced to a year and one

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ten weeks for helping to conceal the knife used. It is unusual for the

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attorney to speak in such strong terms. Clearly the family concerned

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weren't well-served by the Crown Prosecution Service and it is

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appropriate, isn't it, that he should aapproximately Is on their

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approximate approximate behalf. The two were stabbed after a housemate's

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row. The which willer was this man, Foster Christian who was sentenced

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to a life with not less than 30 years' tariff. The family feel they

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were let down by the prosecution service who should have told them

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they had only 28 days to appeal The 28 days past and then - I'm sorry,

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it's too late now but he has to be held accountable. The sentences

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stand but the families are now hoping for a judicial review.

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A teenager accused of killing his stepfather with a single punch,

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in a row over pocket money, is no longer facing a murder charge.

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18-year-old Douglas Herridge is still accused of manslaughter,

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following the death of former national squash champion

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Colin Payne at their home in Dartford last November.

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The teenager claims he acted in self-defence.

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Tributes have been paid to a Romanian man whose body was found

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Razvan Sirbu, who was 21, was discovered in the Loose

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Nehir Armstrong believes she was one of the last

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She stopped to talk to him in the early hours of Saturday

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She said news of his death has left her devastated.

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I can't stop crying since I feel guilty.

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Do something different maybe, handle differently, maybe.

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Maybe I have to make sure he is all right.

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Maybe I should follow him, I don't know what to do but,

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Piers Hopkirk is in Tovil for us now.

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What more do we know about the victim, Razvan Sirbu? Detectives are

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trying to build up a picture of his life. We know he came to the UK last

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October. That he's from Romania. We know that he has family in the

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Gravesend area and that he'd worked there for a recruitment firm. He'd

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also worked in warehouses around Maidstone and Paddock Wood. At times

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we know he'd slept rough. He had come to this specific spot in Tovil

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less than a day or so before his death, presumably and ironically,

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for the peace and tranquillity it provides. Detectives are now trying

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to work out why it was he met such a violent end here.

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That's it from me in the Studio, we can cross back now

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Thank you very much, Natalie. It is a beautiful evening here. We have

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been hearing some of the views of the political parties. I'm pleased

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to say that Stephen Lloyd from the Liberal Democrats has pulled up into

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the car park. We will be able to have a conversation with him in a

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moment. But what are your thoughts of what the politicians are saying?

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Is it in tune your thinking or hopelessly out of step? Where better

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to gauge that, than at a dance class.

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One, two, three, four, five and check.

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The snap election wrong-footed everyone.

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The carefully choreographed campaigns are now in full swing.

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It's a familiar routine, but is it one that voters can follow?

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I don't think "excited" would be the word.

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Strictly speaking, elections are won on policies like health,

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education and the economy, but this time round, the real

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judges, the voters here in Medway, have another category in mind.

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Chasse, forward, point, turn, turn, turn, turn.

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Unfortunately Brexit is a big issue because, well,

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If we get a good deal with Europe, obviously everything else benefits.

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Health and education is probably more important to me than Brexit,

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in an ordinary election, but I think Brexit at the moment

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So in the early rounds Brexit may have stolen the show

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but the old favourites never go away.

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I think we're doing fantastically considering how bad it is.

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I have never had a problem with the NHS around here.

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The doctors' surgeries, to be fair, if you want to get an appointment

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you have to ring up and it could be two, three weeks.

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Knowing that the NHS is going to be there in five or ten years' time

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Obviously if it is not, we have to pay for it

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all and we become very Americanised, and it's going to be

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But this contest has only just started.

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There are four more weeks for the political

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parties to persuade voters to take their lead.

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I'm pleased to stay that Stephen Lloyd from the Liberal Democrats, as

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I said he'd made it clear, got through the traffic. Thank you very

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much for joining us this evening. Thank you, my pleasure. We have been

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talking about the NHS and the fact that it would appear to be creeking

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at the seams on the margins. The Liberal Democrats are the only party

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that have said up front would you put a penny on income tax to pay for

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more services in the NHS? Absolutely. Funnily enough, first of

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all sorry I'm late but listening on the news coming here, the recent

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report shows that the NHS is borse than it has been for the last five

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years, I'm sure you have already covered that. I'm pleased with the

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Liberal Democrat position. Three key things, one, putting a penny on

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income tax, so it is costed, an extra ?6.9 billion which includes

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social care and mental health. People know that's the sort of money

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that is necessary for the NHS. The second thing I'm pleased about is

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that the income for social care. Everyone out there knows it is not

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just the hospital issue it is the issues in social care. We are

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putting together a package that covers both and last but not least,

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we recognise it is bigger than politics, frankly bigger than party

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politics, Norman Lambe our former Health Minister has put forward a

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very clear proposal, before the snap election was called where he and a

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few Conservatives and Labour, cross-party went into the Department

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of health and said - come on, we have to sit down and sort this out

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together. In electoral terms, saying you want people it pay more money,

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do you think you want people it pay more money,

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do you on the NHS, I do. We all know that Labour's thing of another poach

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of the top 5%, I think about their 12th pledge on the top 5% doesn't

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work. What people understand with the health service is we all need it

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and use it and I think everyone would be prepared to contribute that

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bit extra to make it work. Thank you for being with us this evening.

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Let's turn to Helen Catt our Political Editor. We have heard from

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the political parties this eepg, why is the NHS such a big issue? As

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Stephen said, I think it is because everybody uses it, and usually at a

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time in their life when they are quite vulnerable or emotional. It is

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something everyone has a real emotional connection W added to

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that, we've had a lot of big figures bandied around. ?6 billion from

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lakes ?7 from the UK, ?3 billion from the Ukip and ?from the

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Conservatives. But how do we pay for the NHS, with an annual budget of

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?120 billion, will these things add that much. We have not heard from

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the green Party this evening, we will talk to them in other

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programmes. They have yet to launch their policies. They've talked about

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ending private involvement in the NHS. They've also made some specific

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mental health pledges this week, saying they would guarantee access

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to psychological therapy within 28 days for everyone that needs it.

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Before we get to the end of the programme, lets anticipate find out

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what will be going on with the weather. Sarah Keith Lucas is with

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us here in Chatham. And fine end to the day here in

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Chatham. Across the region a decent day. Temperatures up to 21. There

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has been a bit more cloud that has been creeping in over the past few

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hours and out of that cloud a few showers, too. So that's how it looks

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at the moment. We have showers around along the south coast. Most

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of us dry as we end the day. Tomorrow a similar sort of day. It

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is looking humid and there will be chat scattered showers around. Back

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to this evening and evernight we'll continue to see showers moving away

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northwards T could bring with them the odd rumble the thunder. Hit and

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miss and not everywhere seeing the showers. That's how we start the day

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tomorrow. Showers from the word go. But looking frost-free, a milder

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start than it was this morning. Through the day tomorrow, some

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showers through the middle of the day could be heaviy, potentially

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under thisry and temperatures up to 17 or 18 but they fade away through

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the course of Friday night. So, by the time when we get to Saturday

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morning, it is looking frost-free once again and set is going to be a

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pretty decent day, dry, plenty of sunshine on offer and temperatures

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doing reasonably well. 17 or 18. A bit of useful rain overnight

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Saturday into Sunday and Sunday another largely dry but a

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fresher-feeling day. Sarah, thank you very much. Well, that's it from

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us for this evening. Straight after this we'll be doing

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a Facebook live event with our political editor Helen Catt

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and with our health You can get involved

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on facebook.com/bbcsoutheasttoday. But for now from us in Chatham. Good

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evening. Ukip created history

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and won us all Brexit. I grew up on a council estate, where

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everybody there just voted Labour.

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