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This is World News Today. Pressure on the Indian government

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as the wave of public anger over the arrest of anti-corruption

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campaigner Anna Hazare intense surprise. The Prime Minister

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accuses them of trying to sidestep democracy. It is totally

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misconceived. It is fraught with grave consequences for our country.

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Libya's rebels fight to cut supply lines to Tripoli. Is the six-month

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war there finally nearing the end game?

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United nation withdraws all non- essential staff from Syria.

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Going underground in Paris. Walking Will come. The challenge to the

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Indian government intensified today as thousands of supporters of Anna

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Hazare gathered across the country to protest at his arrest. The 74-

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year-old spell -- spent the night inside Tihar jail. He has refused

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to leave until he is allowed to hold a public hunger strike.

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Protesters shouted slogans and waved flags as they marched. Inside,

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the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said the hunger strike was totally

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misconceived. All day long the crowds have been

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building up at Tihar jail. Inside it is at Anna Hazare. The 74-year-

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old anti-corruption campaigner says he is leading India's second

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independence struggle. He is a free man, but he has refused to leave

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until the Government agrees to allow him to go ahead with a public

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hunger strike to force it to adopt a new anti-corruption that lot.

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Negotiations have been taking place, but in Parliament the Prime

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Minister has attacked the veteran campaigner. The pass that he has

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chosen, is totally misconceived and fraught with grave consequences for

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our parliamentary democracy. Our Government does not see any -- seek

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any confrontation with any section of society. But when some sections

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of society deliberately challenged authority of the government and

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parliament, it is the duty of the Government to maintain peace and

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tranquillity. Meanwhile a crowd of thousands has been building up at

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India Gate in the city centre. If the idea of arresting Anna Hazare

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was to stop any demonstrations from going ahead, well, the Government

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has clearly failed. Over the last 24 hours we have seen protests

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across India, and here in Delhi they are getting bigger and bigger.

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The Government is losing the voters and respect.

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How does an emerging economy like India deal with corruption? Cannot

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learn lessons from other countries in similar situations? Let's speak

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to Dr Ruth Kattumuri and also in the studio a representative of 48

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Group Club. Led's start with how endemic corruption and bribery is

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in India. You have lived in Britain for a long time, but explain your

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experiences in India. The problem of corruption in India is like

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cancer. It is so endemic that it exists in the all levels. How did

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it affect you growing up? I was interested in joining medical

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school, I had the marks and I did my part. But I could not get into

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medical school because all the way performed and got everything that

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was required, and had to pay bribes to get at Bisham to medical school.

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I chose not to do that -- I had to pay bribes to get to medical school.

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Stephen, looking at what is happening in India and Africa, how

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does an emerging economy like India resolve this issue? I do not think

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there is a resolution. As economies develop, the industrial revolution

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in Britain, Hong Kong in the late that 1960s, these are developing

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economies were there is a lot of money around. People see corrupt

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ways of trying to make that money and then the Government has to

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react to that and bring in mechanisms to do with that

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corruptions. That is a process which takes time. It takes

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determination to deal with it and the implementation takes time for.

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What part does big business play? In terms of multinationals. For his

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new legislation coming through now us. Any business that engages in

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corrupt practices in the emerging economies is asking for trouble. It

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is not a route to successful, sustainable business. In some

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countries you either purchase appeared for you are excluded. In

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countries like India, China, Brazil, you can make a choice. Most

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businesses would make a choice not to involve themselves in corruption.

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20 years ago it would not have been so sure, but with Acts passed in

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America and Europe it is easier for business to make a decision.

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there an element of truth and what the chief economic adviser in India

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said, why don't we just legalise this? It would shame, especially

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the political class for them a lot of anger is reserved to wards.

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is true, because people who give it bribes are as guilty as people who

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take bribes. It is important for the international business

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community to point it out and make a bigger seen of it about them fact

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it is happening. That would reduce some of the endemic problem and

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help to reform the system. It is important that the international

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community, particularly the business community stands up.

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it comes to your business experience, it must be very

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difficult for a businessman trying to open up some market there,

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seeing other companies pay and get through it and you do not. Have you

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ever had to pay a bribe? I have not, and I would not. What is it bad? If

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you take someone out to dinner, that is all right. We all know the

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big stuff that has happened in the Middle East. What business is faced

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with, people come to them and say the way you'll get this business is

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by paying of certain people. I had a situation a few years ago were a

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pharmaceutical company was told they had to pay bribes to doctors

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in Chinese hospitals for a drug to be prescribed. They did not believe

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it was true. I thought the middle people were taking the money. Not

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withstanding that, there is real corruption and businessmen have to

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be strong. You're not dealing with just a simple decision about

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sustainability. Listen to with the's story, it is almost

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heartbreaking to hear what you had to go through to get to medical

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school. For you it has ended well, you were a professor and a teacher.

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Things have worked out well for you, but does this affect the whole of

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Indian society? Does it go right down to village level? It extends

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to all sections, all classes of society. They person in a village

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would have to pay bribes to the village head, perhaps. They might

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have to pay to get employment, even to get food, on a food programme.

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It is also ridden with corruption with officials. It exists across

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all levels. Do you have any grounds for optimism? Looking at the

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younger generation in India, it is there a sense that with fewer

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people leaving India to work and study abroad that people will try

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to sort out society there and change things from within? I think

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that is what you were seeing now. You cannot go forward without

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pulling the forces of the young people who want things to be on a

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level playing field. I am delighted that Dr Ruth Kattumuri is there and

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that her country is beginning to deal with these issues. Do you have

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grounds for optimism? And what to think of how the Government is

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handling this? Because it is such a difficult thing to handle, and

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because it is so endemic, it is difficult. I think it is important,

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one of the positive things India has is its democracy. The process

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should follow democratic rules. It is great that young people are

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becoming aware and actively speaking out against corruption.

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Those are all very important and this has happened because of

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awareness, partly because of global connection and partly because the

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younger generation has not caught up with the older systems.

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Everybody should work together, the Government, the judiciary,

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different political parties, they should work together. It will be a

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very long process, but it has to be done in a democratic way. Let's

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have a look at other news. Nine people have been killed by

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roadside bombs in Turkey. Authorities believe the Kurdish

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guerrilla group PKK was behind the attacks.

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Muslim countries have a Emergency summer and pledged $350 million for

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aid to Somalia. More than 12 million people are in need of aid

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because of drought. War crimes prosecutors say they

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want a two separate trials against Ratko Mladic. Prosecutors in The

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Hague say he should be tried for the killing of thousands of Muslims

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in Srebrenica at and then for other war crimes in the 1990s.

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The UN-backed tribunal has indicted four suspects in connection with

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the assassination of Rafiq Hariri in 2005. Four men are members of

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Hezbollah who deny involvement. The British Prime Minister has

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praised the courts for handing out tough sentences to some of those

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involved in last week's writes. On Tuesday, two men were jailed for

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four years for using Facebook to try to incite violence. Another was

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given 18 months in prison for having a stolen television in his

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car. Concerns have been raised about the severity of some of these

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sentences. This teenager tried to start a riot

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but he walked free from court having been given a night-time

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curfew. However yesterday these two men

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were jailed for four years for the same crime, using a Facebook

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website to incite violence. One was a youth court and there were

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different circumstances, but the longer jail terms have proved

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controversial. Online, Jordan threatened to smash down this town.

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But friends said the trouble did not happen. He was having a laugh

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on Facebook. It was only a little grip on Facebook. People who have

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done that the riots have not had that kind of sentence. According to

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sentencing guideline inciting violent disorder carries a maximum

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sentence of five years. If a guideline prevents the correct

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sentence from being given in an exceptional case, the judge can

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sentence outside of that guidelines. Some solicitors claimed that the

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usual rate is not -- way it is not being given to mitigating factors.

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Judges here have made clear that there will be longer sentences

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because of the aggravating factor that the offences were committed

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during widespread disturbances. What happened on our streets was

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appalling behaviour and we are sending a clear message it will not

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be tolerated. But those who have already been sentenced could return

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to court. Some are planning to appeal that jail terms they have

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been given. I would expect the Court of Appeal to be asked very

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soon to provide a guideline case are cases so that judges can

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provide consistent, if severe sentences. Perry went to prison

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after calling on line for a riot. It did cause some of the town shops

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to close early. You have to send out a message. You cannot go around

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starting rumours affecting people's lives and businesses. With many

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still to be sentenced, there are families worried including this

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mother whose 14-year-old boy has been remanded in custody. Those

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people, people have instigated the whole thing, people like that, yes

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treated more harsh. But not people you got caught up in it at all. It

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was a moment of madness. In the city's damaged by riots, there are

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many families shopped at the swift, harsh justice that the Government

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promised. They have questioned whether there should be any

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pressure from the politicians. Six months on from the first

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protests against Colonel Gadaffi, rebels and government troops remain

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locked in conflict. Forces loyal are battling for a control of

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Zawiya. Gunfire has been reported. Zawiya is strategically important

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to Colonel Gadaffi because it sits on a major highway which has a

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Each night in Tripoli's main square, royalists gather. The rebels have

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advanced to within 30 miles of here, but there is no sign of support.

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Are you worried about these reports that the rebel fighters are closing

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in on Tripoli? TRANSLATION: We are not worried. We know what is going

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on. We talk to our brothers on the front line. If the battle Consett,

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we will fight. That is exactly what state television has been calling

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for. It wants Gaddafi's supporters to take up weapons and defend the

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city. So, in this cafe, an espresso and a shrug. TRANSLATION: I am not

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concerned. It is all fine and morale is high.

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He it is now six months since the first protest against Colonel

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Gaddafi and he is looking more vulnerable than ever. The rebels

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insist they can win the war by the end of August and the it here, the

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government remains spread fast and says dribbly will not fall. It

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could be weeks, even months, of stalemate ahead.

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The key battle is for Zawiyah or, at street by street. Capture the

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town and the rebels will cut off Tripoli. Gaddafi forces are hitting

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back hard. To the east as well, the rebels are taking casualties as

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they fight for oil. The towns suffered weeks of fighting back and

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forth. Britain and the rest of NATO is hoping Gaddafi will fork soon,

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but already some here are warning of the dangerous power vacuum if

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that does happen. The United Nations has withdrawn

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all non-essential staff from Syria as President Bashar al-Assad pushes

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on with repression for protests. Government forces have carried out

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operations in a port city for a 5th day. Residents say it security

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forces are on that have killed at least 34 people and detained dozens

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more since the crackdowns started. Human rights groups claim almost

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2000 civilians have been killed in serious since mid-March it.

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Let's go to our London studio and speak to Dr Haitham Al-Maleh, head

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of the Syrian National Salvation Congress. He was released from the

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Syrian jail earlier this year. If I can start with the repression that

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is being reported today, 34 people killed in recent hours, do you get

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any sense that President Bashar al- Assad is losing his grip at all in

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your country? He lost, he is not losing, because he lost everything

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not from now, from the time when he started to attack his people, make

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war against society, people are against the civilian people. People

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on the street have no weapons or guns. They were moving on the

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street a piece belly and a very kindly. -- piece belly. President

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Bashar al-Assad and his group started killing the people,

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arresting people, so this is the situation. We have lost 3,000

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people here, not 2000, and 3,000 have disappeared. 25,000 arrested.

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They put them in at schools because there is no at schools now, they

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are closed. You have been imprisoned by the regime, explain

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what conditions are like in that Syrian jails, what were your

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conditions like when you were held? The conditions it net cereal bar

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two pines: At the normal jails where I was in aggro and the other

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jails. Each branch has its own control. No one can go through

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these jails and make any research. The daughter is continued from

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morning until night. -- beat torture. The jail where I was is a

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normal jail and it contains only be criminals. There were only 30

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people in there, political prisoners, but each one was in a

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room containing normal prisoners. was sleeping on the ground.

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three months, I had a bed. haven't got a lot of time, but in

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terms of work President Bashar al- Assad to leave, what are your fears

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about the future of Syria? When his father came to power, it was to

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deal with the religious sectarian and tribal problems that Syria had

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at the time. What would you predict for Syria have come before, where

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the regime to for? In my opinion, Serie up will be better without the

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President's family, not just him. All of them at must go out. His

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background is the same background as his father. His father killed

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more than 60,000 people in that serial through massacres. In jail,

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they killed 15,000 prisoners. Another man killed 900 prisoners

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across Europe by shooting. But how chaotic with the transition to any

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democratic process be in Syria given its history and all the

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problems that Syria has had? opposition collect so themselves

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and we will be one side for the future. We have our paper. It is

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nearly ready. For the future of Syria, the democracy regime, voting

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through boxes and to protect the people from all sides, protect

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human rights, this is what we need for the future. It will not happen

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until President -- President Bashar al-Assad leaves Syria. Thank you

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for speaking to us. Underneath streets of most cities

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is a complicated web of tunnels, cables and pipes carrying

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everything from water to trains. Under the feet the people in Paris,

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exists one of the most complicated system of tunnels. They are still

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being checked to make sure that they do not collapse. Our Paris

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Correspondent has been investigating.

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From an underground car-park down steep hidden steps, we are

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descending into the bowels of Paris. This is one of the densest

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underground networks in the world, with 180 miles of intricate tunnels.

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We are exploring a city beneath a city. You can see some light coming

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from here. The tunnels were mined for the limestone from which Paris

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is built. But imagine the horrendous

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conditions in which those who dark this labyrinth of corridors must

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have worked. Operating down here from morning until night in the

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thick dust and high humidity. In those days, they could not afford

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to retire. They came down here at a young age and they worked until

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they dropped. Very often, they worked in the dark.

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No one realised how poor the foundations had become. Not until

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1774 when suddenly one of these chambers collapsed, swallowing and

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entail a neighbour heard above it. In response, King Louie the 16th

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commissioned an architect to reinforce the tunnels. Every

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chamber was mapped and a name given to the Correspondent st above it.

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Down here, you have a mayor energy of a renaissance Paris. -- a mirror

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image. This street is a bollard. -- Bull of art. You can see there is a

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crack here. Each part is checked. If they saw a beginning of a

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falling roof, they do something. Since 1955, the quarries have been

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closed to the public, but there is one section that remains open: The

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Catacombs. At the time the architect was strengthening the

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tunnels, Lily was closing the overcrowded cemeteries. All of the

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bodies were reinterred in the empire of the dead. It is a very

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different end of term excursion. What do you think of this? It is

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scary. Victor Hugo once described the tunnels as the city's luxury

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and magnificence. The imminence -- the millions who visit the city

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every year beg to differ, but they know little of her dark,

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subterranean secrets. Reminder of the main news:

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Thousands of people have rallied across India in support of the

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anti-corruption campaign at Anna Hazare. In Delhi, protesters

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marched on parliament, others maintained a vigil outside the

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prison where he was taken on Tuesday. He will not agree to

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conditions set for his release until he is allowed to strike.

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A senior barrister has joined expressions of surprise in Britain

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and the length of jail sentences and it is some people involved in

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last week's writing. Lord Carlile said there was an issue of

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proportionality. Campaigners say many people have been jailed for

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offences which normally they would only be cautioned for.

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That is all from us for now. The weather is coming up now. From us

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Most areas ending the day on a final note, but tomorrow, there is

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a spell of heavier rain to come, particularly across parts of

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central and southern England. It is courtesy of a weather front that

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has been there today in the south. This front is with us tomorrow, but

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around it there will be heavier rain, particularly affecting parts

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of south-west England, into the Midlands and across do easting

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layer. -- East Anglia. The darker blues indicate the intensity of the

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rainfall, difficult for drivers in standing water. But the FA

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southeast should be warm. The south-west, a bit of rain in places

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to begin, improving in the afternoon. For Cornwall and Devon,

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which saw rain today, it will be brightening up throughout the

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afternoon. In Wales, we will avoid the most of this. For Northern

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Ireland, a scattering of showers, some on the heavy side, light winds

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and 17 degrees. More showers in Scotland compared with today's

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heavier ones. Into the evening, some of them will be heavier. The

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