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This is BBC World News Today with me Kasia Madera. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
US President Barack Obama says the Malaysia Airlines plane was | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
shot down from an area controlled by pro-Russia | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
People from at least ten countries were among | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
the 298 who died when the plane came down near the Russian border. | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
President Obama called it a global tragedy and calls for a ceasefire. | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
A team of international investigators have arrived | :00:26. | :00:34. | |
And Asian airliner was destroyed in European skies filled with citizens | :00:35. | :00:44. | |
from many countries, so there has to be a credible international | :00:45. | :00:45. | |
investigation into what happened. A team of international | :00:46. | :00:46. | |
investigators have arrived at the crash site but separatists | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
only give them limited access. I am Clive Myrie at Schipol Airport | :00:49. | :00:56. | |
in the Netherlands where that flight, MH 17, took off yesterday. | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
Two thirds of those who died are Dutch. This is a nation in mourning | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
after one of its worst aircraft disasters. | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
And in other news, 24 Palestinians and one Israeli | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
soldier are killed as Israel's troops move further into Gaza. | :01:14. | :01:22. | |
A global tragedy and an a grade one speakable proportions. That is how | :01:23. | :01:39. | |
the US President Barack Obama described the shooting down of the | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
Boeing 77 over Ukraine. 298 people died when flight MH 17 | :01:45. | :01:50. | |
from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur came down in an area controlled by | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
pro-Russian separatists. Ten of the dead are British, and authorities in | :01:55. | :01:58. | |
Kiev say they have evidence of -- Russian missal system was used to | :01:59. | :02:01. | |
carry out the attack. We can go live now to Schipol | :02:02. | :02:09. | |
Airport to speak to Clive Myrie. Hello from Schipol Airport. This is | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
of course a very busy hub, usually, for hundreds, thousands of | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
travellers every day, every week, wanting to get away from Europe. It | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
is a very busy airport in deed and yesterday was no exception. In the | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
morning, this flight, MH 17, was fully loaded and taking off on its | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
way to Kuala Lumpur. Then all of a sudden it disappeared from radar | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
screens. There was no distress signal or maybe, then the full | :02:37. | :02:42. | |
horror of what happened became apparent. We know that many of those | :02:43. | :02:51. | |
who died were Dutch nationals. This is a country in mourning and through | :02:52. | :02:52. | |
the day there has been a steady stream of people leaving floral | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
tributes in memory of those who died. Now, of course, the questions | :02:56. | :03:02. | |
are being asked. Why was this plane flown over a war zone in eastern | :03:03. | :03:07. | |
Ukraine? Why was that the route it took? And how did this plane | :03:08. | :03:11. | |
actually followed of the sky? Was it the result of a missile attack? | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
Let's eat the latest -- let's get the latest from the scene from | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
Daniel Sandford, who has been to the area where the plane came down in | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
eastern Ukraine. Hello and welcome. | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
The stark horror of the field of debris were Flight MH17 crashed | :03:27. | :03:28. | |
to earth. The place where the bitter war | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
in eastern Ukraine suddenly ended the lives of people from | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
around the world was this evening There was a very strong plane | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
rumble, then there was a sort of explosion, and then people | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
started falling from the sky. People were appearing right | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
from the clouds. When we ran out, we saw part | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
of a plane falling over our house. There were more parts of the plane | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
in the yard and papers there, too. We also found this piece of a | :03:50. | :03:55. | |
credit card from an American bank. And in the nearby summer fields | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
of tall sunflowers, off-duty mine rs searching for the bodies | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
of the passengers and crew who fell from the sky - almost 300 of them, | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
their dreams and their futures The hopelessly inexperienced | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
rescuers have found two thirds of the bodies but | :04:13. | :04:20. | |
around 100 are still missing. The bodies, body parts and debris | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
are spread over almost ten miles. It is a tragic | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
and devastating scene, people's clothes and belongings and | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
their life jackets are scattered You can still smell the death | :04:35. | :04:37. | |
and the burning in the air. It is going to be a huge challenge | :04:38. | :04:45. | |
for international investigators to With the rebel checkpoints | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
and the closed airspace, it has taken us around 24 hours to | :04:49. | :04:57. | |
get here from Moscow. There is confusion | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
at the moment about who has the black box flight recorders, so it is | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
hard for an investigation to start. The best theory is still that | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
the plane was shot down by a sophisticated anti-aircraft | :05:11. | :05:13. | |
missile fired by someone targeting a Ukrainian military plane, | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
but it is not clear who. The Kiev government believes it was | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
the rebels, or even the Russians. It claims these are pictures of a | :05:22. | :05:25. | |
Buk launch a system being taken back We ask all respective governments to | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
participate in this investigation, and to support the Ukrainian | :05:31. | :05:40. | |
government to bring to justice to all these bustards who committed | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
this international crime. But in Moscow, the man Kiev accuses | :05:47. | :05:50. | |
of supplying the rebels with their sophisticated weaponry was | :05:51. | :05:56. | |
keen to spread the blame. I express my condolences on | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
behalf of the Russian Federation. I want to underline that this | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
tragedy would not have happened if this land was at peace, | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
or at least combat operations had It is obvious that the state | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
on whose territory this happened But the US president said Vladimir | :06:10. | :06:16. | |
Putin was not doing enough. There has to be | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
a credible international The UN Security Council has endorsed | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
this investigation and we will help all its members, | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
including Russia, to do their work. and we will hold all its members, | :06:30. | :06:44. | |
including Russia to their word. In order to facilitate that | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
investigation, Russia, pro-Russian separatists and Ukraine must | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
adhere to immediate cease-fire. Ukraine and Russia have been | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
at daggers drawn since Russia took Things have only got worse | :06:52. | :06:54. | |
since then and now almost 300 people - none | :06:55. | :06:56. | |
of them Ukrainian or Russian - have 289 people died in all, 80 of them | :06:57. | :07:16. | |
were children. The Australians, the Malaysians, the British, the ten | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
Britons who died, the Dutch, of course. They all have stories to | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
tell and their lives are interesting. Danny Savage now has | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
some of the stories of those who perished on board MH 17. | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
These pictures show passengers settling down on board Flight MH17 | :07:33. | :07:35. | |
yesterday, a familiar routine. But four hours later everyone | :07:36. | :07:43. | |
on board this plane was dead, their lives cut short | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
in an instant over Ukraine. In a back garden in Newcastle today, | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
the father of one of the victims told me about his 28-year-old son he | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
will never see again. Liam Sweeney grew | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
from a schoolboy who loved Newcastle United to a young man who | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
was on his way to watch them in New Ringing people on the emergency | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
lines and whatever, hoping, to be honest with you, that one of | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
those nine Britons was not my son. Horrible towards someone else, | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
but you do think of your own I'd probably rather it was me | :08:12. | :08:14. | |
sitting on the plane and not him. Liam was travelling with fellow | :08:15. | :08:21. | |
lifeling fan John Alder. Friends today left tributes to him | :08:22. | :08:25. | |
at the club. You turn around at Newcastle United, | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
wherever we were playing, John was there in his suit, cheering | :08:29. | :08:31. | |
his team on, showing his passion. The club has now set aside this | :08:32. | :08:36. | |
dedicated area for the fans who they say were known to thousands | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
of supporters, and in a statement Newcastle United say the loss of | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
John and Liam is truly devastating. Also on board was 49-year-old | :08:43. | :08:49. | |
Glenn Thomas from Blackpool, a press officer for the | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
World Health Organisation. He was travelling to an AIDS | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
conference in Australia. Other British people on | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
the plane included Ben Pocock from Bristol, a student at Loughborough, | :09:00. | :09:02. | |
and Richard Mayne, also a student, But it is the Dutch who bear | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
the brunt of the death toll. Cor Schilder and Neeljte Tol were | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
heading off on their holidays. She ran a flower shop | :09:13. | :09:15. | |
in a small town north of Amsterdam. We can do nothing, | :09:16. | :09:18. | |
that is the problem. All we can do is lay | :09:19. | :09:23. | |
down flowers and think about them. It is a tragedy, | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
I don't know what to say. Little shrines are popping up | :09:29. | :09:40. | |
around the world now to remember This is the grief of family | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
and friends which will last Let's get the perspective now from | :09:46. | :10:04. | |
Moscow and Washington. Our diplomatic correspondent, Bridget | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
Kendall con is in the Russian capital and Tom Esselmont is in | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
Washington. Tom Palmer President Obama and his | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
representative to the UN at that meeting of the Security Council | :10:16. | :10:18. | |
today, have both made it clear that the Americans believe it was | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
pro-Russian separatists who fired that missile undershot down this | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
plane. What is there evidence? -- and shot down. | :10:28. | :10:32. | |
That is a good question, because whatever evidence they are using we | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
have not seen it. President Obama did say that he | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
understands it was a surface-to-air missile that brought down the plane | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
and that it was fired from eastern Ukraine, territory controlled by | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
pro-Russian separatists. And that's those separatists have received over | :10:51. | :10:55. | |
the last few months heavy weaponry across the from Russia, so therefore | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
the American President Lee and responsibility for the downing of | :11:00. | :11:06. | |
this plane at Russia's door. As you mentioned, the comments from the | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
American president came hot on the heels of the statement read out at | :11:11. | :11:14. | |
the UN Security Council by the American ambassador to the council, | :11:15. | :11:21. | |
Samantha Power, in which she said that America could not rule out that | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
the separatists had been receiving technical assistance from Russia in | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
order to be able to fire such a missile. But, as yet, we have not | :11:29. | :11:36. | |
seen the piece of evidence they are using to bring about these | :11:37. | :11:40. | |
assertions. Let's go to you, Bridget, in Moscow. | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
The Russians throughout the day have been making it clear that those | :11:45. | :11:48. | |
separatists on the ground in eastern Ukraine do not have access to that | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
kind of heavy sophisticated weaponry that can shoot down a commercial | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
airliner at 33,000 feet. Do they have a point? | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
Well, their argument all along has been that Russia has not been | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
supplying heavy weaponry across the border, they do not control these | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
rebel fighters in the East. All they wanted to do is to try and bring | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
about a peaceful full ocean to a conflict that is in Ukraine. | :12:13. | :12:14. | |
about a peaceful full ocean to a conflict that is -- peaceful | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
solution to a conflict. They are saying, look at the Ukrainian | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
government, they claim it is the Ukrainian government's campaign that | :12:23. | :12:25. | |
includes strikes and the use of fighter jets that has caused a lot | :12:26. | :12:32. | |
of civilian deaths already in eastern Ukraine and one should not | :12:33. | :12:36. | |
rule out the possibility that the culpability for this incident could | :12:37. | :12:39. | |
come from the other side. There is a sense, I feel, as though the | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
Russians are being a bit defensive. They are not actually a great | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
accusing Kiev of shooting down the plane, they are just making a more | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
general point that it is supposed to control this territory and it is the | :12:52. | :12:55. | |
one that has launched a campaign, so it should bear responsibility for | :12:56. | :12:59. | |
what happens there, and it should have closed the air space if it was | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
not to say. It feels a bit like there is uncertainty in Russia about | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
what to do next, because if you think about it the eyes of the world | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
are now on this little bit of territory again and exactly what is | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
happening on that border. President Obama again today said to President | :13:16. | :13:19. | |
Putin come as he and other leaders have been saying repeatedly. Close | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
that border, make sure no fighters come across to make sure the | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
conflict is not fuelled. It is difficult for President Putin as to | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
how he might respond. Remember, the eyes of the world are on this. There | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
were many other passengers on that plane, not just western citizens but | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
Malaysians from other parts of the world, and they too will want to | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
know what happened in this part of the world. Moscow has to be careful | :13:45. | :13:50. | |
how it plays this. Back to you, Thomas in Washington. | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
The call from much of the world has been for an independent, | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
verifiable, transparent inquiry into what happened. That is very much the | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
point the US representative to the UN made before the Security Council | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
today. Are the Americans confident they will get that? | :14:08. | :14:14. | |
Yes, it is interesting, because all sides, Russia included, have called | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
for an independent and impartial investigation, but of course at some | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
point they will have to be a conclusion to that investigation, | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
one which cannot possibly satisfy one would think, all sides. America | :14:26. | :14:33. | |
for its part has said it is sending its own experts to Ukraine, they are | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
on their way now. As one would imagine, are those from other | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
countries, as well, and people from the FBI and all sport -- also from | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
the transport safety board who will fly there. Key question is... | :14:47. | :15:01. | |
In Washington. But thank you anyway. Many thanks. | :15:02. | :15:10. | |
What about the investigation itself, when it begins? We know that they | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
view monitors have been allowed into the area by some of the separatists | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
on the ground, but they had limited access to the crash site. As you | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
were hearing there, the call from around the world is really for | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
independent investigators to be able to get in there and find out exactly | :15:28. | :15:32. | |
what happened. But it is, of course, in the middle of a war zone. This | :15:33. | :15:36. | |
plane came down in rebel held territory in the east of Ukraine. | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
Richard Wescott has been looking at the main focus of the investigation. | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
Investigators will be desperate to secure the crash scene as soon as | :15:48. | :15:51. | |
possible. Right now, there is no guarantee evidence has not been | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
moved or even taken away by the people there. It won't be an easy | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
investigation. The Ukrainians would normally take charge, but the crash | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
site is in an area controlled by the people they are fighting. However, | :16:04. | :16:08. | |
one former investigator who worked on the Lockerbie bombing says that | :16:09. | :16:11. | |
once experts arrive, it should be full of clues. If you have a missile | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
warhead explosion or an explosion of a bomb on board a neck raft, the | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
services that get washed by the blast tend to have traces of the | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
explosive left on them. So it is possible then to swab the surface, | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
send that off to a laboratory, and it is relatively easy to identify | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
the actual explosive. It's a missile from a launcher like this one that | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
they will be looking for, a Russian-made Buk. It is radar guided | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
and easily able to reach the aircraft. The maximum range is more | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
than double the altitude of the airliner. Expert operators, like | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
state armies, are trained to identify what they are aiming at | :16:57. | :17:00. | |
before firing. But in the wrong hands, it is easy to make a mistake. | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
They may well have had enough training to get a lock on the target | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
and scan for targets, but maybe not enough to understand the full | :17:10. | :17:11. | |
intricacies of the system, so, for example, turning between different | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
transponder codes which would indicate a civilian rather than | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
military aircraft. There are now questions about why airliner were | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
flying over a conflict zone. These radar tracks show that the same | :17:24. | :17:30. | |
route has been used for some time, because it had been officially | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
declared safe above 32,000 feet. Malaysia Airlines were not alone. | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
Love plans are also used it, along with dozens of other airlines. Look | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
at this. British Airways decided to avoid Ukraine altogether. | :17:45. | :17:46. | |
Incidentally, this is the radar picture from earlier today. You can | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
see the column of aircraft now skirting around the danger zone. So | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
where does the investigation go from here? As ever, recovering the black | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
boxes is vital. One records and sounds in the cockpit. Anyone with a | :18:02. | :18:08. | |
stake in the flight will want to be involved. It is a Malaysia Airlines, | :18:09. | :18:12. | |
an American aircraft with British engines made by Rolls-Royce, and | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
there were at least ten nationalities on board. It is going | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
to be one of the most controversial aircraft investigations ever made, | :18:20. | :18:30. | |
and one of the most closely watched. Back now to those who died, whose | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
lives were lost. This is an international tragedy, there is no | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
doubt. But people in the Netherlands have paid the highest price, and | :18:39. | :18:41. | |
there is not just sadness and grief at the loss of life, there is also a | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
sense that it was unavoidable, that it was not a technical fault or bad | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
weather that caused this plane to come down. It was a missile that | :18:51. | :18:55. | |
shot down this aircraft. Those are the indications from the analysis so | :18:56. | :19:01. | |
far. Basically, it was human being intervention, man-made | :19:02. | :19:04. | |
intervention, that caused this tragedy. And with that, it is back | :19:05. | :19:19. | |
to you. Thank you very much. We will | :19:20. | :19:22. | |
continue to monitor that, but here is the main bellwether of the main | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
story of the day. Israeli troops have pushed deeper | :19:25. | :19:26. | |
into Gaza on the second day Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu | :19:27. | :19:28. | |
said he had told his military to prepare for | :19:29. | :19:31. | |
a possible "significant'' expansion of the operation to destroy tunnels | :19:32. | :19:33. | |
and rocket launchers. The United Nations says the number | :19:34. | :19:44. | |
of displaced Palestinians has almost doubled to 40,000 today. Our chief | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
international correspondent reports. Late last night, Israeli soldiers | :19:50. | :19:57. | |
crossed into Gaza on foot. Backed up by tanks and artillery, a major | :19:58. | :20:05. | |
escalation in its military campaign. This morning, families are on the | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
run. They can move and sits next to the Israeli border. Taking as much | :20:11. | :20:18. | |
as they can carry, they are fleeing. They go as fast as they can. We were | :20:19. | :20:27. | |
sitting in our houses, this woman cries. They started shelling us. We | :20:28. | :20:32. | |
went to a relative's has, and they started shelling there. Israel says | :20:33. | :20:38. | |
its forces are searching for tunnels used by Palestinian militants for | :20:39. | :20:42. | |
cross-border raids. Barnett tunnels here? Why is this area targeted? | :20:43. | :20:51. | |
TRANSLATION: There are no tunnels. There is nothing in our area here. | :20:52. | :20:59. | |
That is just what they want to tell other countries to justify this. | :21:00. | :21:03. | |
This is one of the key areas they are targeting. We have heard shells | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
being fired and artillery in the last hour. We have seen families on | :21:08. | :21:12. | |
the run, running in every possible direction, not sure where this | :21:13. | :21:15. | |
military operation is going. Not sure where they should go for | :21:16. | :21:23. | |
safety. In Israel this morning, the Prime | :21:24. | :21:26. | |
Minister convened his security cabinet. TRANSLATION: We chose to | :21:27. | :21:33. | |
start this operation after we exhausted other options, and out of | :21:34. | :21:36. | |
an understanding that without the operation, the price we may pay | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
could be much higher. Israel is already warning it could | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
significantly widen its military operations. More reservists have | :21:47. | :21:54. | |
been called up. Israel says it is not seeking to topple Hamas, which | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
controls Gaza, but today, we witnessed another air strike | :22:00. | :22:07. | |
targeting its leaders. Hamas says it will not destroy them. | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
To discuss this further we're joined by Fawaz Gerges, | :22:13. | :22:14. | |
Professor of Middle Eastern politics at the London School of Economics, | :22:15. | :22:17. | |
and from Washington by David Pollock, a fellow at the Washington | :22:18. | :22:19. | |
Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming in. We have obviously been | :22:20. | :22:34. | |
here before. David, let me ask you first, what is Israel hoping to | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
achieve by this? Are they hoping to topple Hamas? I don't think so. | :22:39. | :22:45. | |
Although I think Hamas will be weakened as a result of this. I | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
think Israel's primary goal is just to stop Hamas rocket fire into | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
Israel, and that is why Israel accented the cease-fire a few days | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
ago, and when Hamas didn't and kept shooting rockets into Israel, the | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
Israelis expanded their operation, hoping that maybe that would | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
convince Hamas to stop all fours it to stop. Why did Hamas not accept | :23:12. | :23:19. | |
that truce? Hamas leaders say first of all they were not consulted on | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
the Egyptian cease-fire initiative, and only found out about it from | :23:23. | :23:25. | |
press reports. This tells you a good deal. We have many reports coming | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
out from Israel that Egypt consulted Israel and the US, but did not | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
consult Hamas. Hamas leaders also say that the cease-fire initiative | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
presents Hamas with a stark choice. If you reject the cease-fire | :23:38. | :23:40. | |
initiative, you will face all out war by Israel. And if you accept the | :23:41. | :23:51. | |
initiative, practice where one, and square one for Hamas leaders means | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
bleeding in a slow death, because remember, Hamas in Gaza are | :23:55. | :23:59. | |
encircled and besieged by both Israel and Egypt, and this | :24:00. | :24:07. | |
particular siege sees Israel starving in bleeding Hamas. It | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
doesn't have the resources to govern in Gaza. The economic situation is | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
horrible, and it is facing an accident predicament. That is why | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
they want basically to change the terms of the cease-fire initiative | :24:21. | :24:26. | |
into basically, stopping the eight year blockade imposed by Israel and | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
Gaza and opening the crossing with Egypt in order to bring supplies and | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
resources into Gaza. David, do you think that is something Israel will | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
accept? First of all, I think it is really important to point out that | :24:41. | :24:48. | |
Israel does not impose a siege or blockade on Gaza. In fact, Israel | :24:49. | :24:53. | |
allows goods and people to go in and out of Gaza in a controlled | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
fashion. Every single day, even during this conflict. Over 100 | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
trucks crossed into Gaza delivering food, medicine, and other supplies, | :25:04. | :25:11. | |
and every single day, Israel's supplying Gaza with water and | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
electricity, so this is not a blockade. I think the question | :25:14. | :25:20. | |
really is more to Egypt than two Israel, will Egypt lift its blockade | :25:21. | :25:28. | |
of Gaza by opening the crossing not just to a few emergency humanitarian | :25:29. | :25:33. | |
cases or to evacuating foreigners, from Gaza, but for Palestinians to | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
go in and out, and for goods to go in and out. I don't think Egypt, | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
especially under the new Egyptian government, is likely to access | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
that, and so there will be pressure on Israel to further relax any | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
restrictions that it places on traffic in and out of Gaza. That is | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
a point, isn't it? Hamas has lost one of its regional supporters. It | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
clearly has. The Egyptian role shifted from an ally of Hamas to a | :26:01. | :26:06. | |
bitter enemy. There is a regional rivalry now between Egypt on the one | :26:07. | :26:09. | |
hand and basically, it does not really want Hamas to gain any | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
political leverage, and Turkey, who basically have influence over Hamas. | :26:14. | :26:20. | |
This is why the Palestinian president is basically now flying to | :26:21. | :26:27. | |
Turkey, to talk to the leaders of Turkey and Qatar. The reality is, | :26:28. | :26:33. | |
Gaza is the biggest prison in the world. Verratti million people in | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
Gaza who have been suffering for the last eight years. I'm sure David | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
would want to comment on that, but we are out of time. It seems we need | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
an awful lot of time to discuss this topic. Thank you very much for me | :26:45. | :26:50. | |
and dash-macro from the team. Goodbye. | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
We ended the week with some thunderstorms, but be prepared as an | :26:57. | :27:06. | |
torrential downpour through Saturday. They are scattered across | :27:07. | :27:10. | |
various parts of the UK. Getting the detail, timing and distribution | :27:11. | :27:12. | |
right will not | :27:13. | :27:13. |