National Theatre of Scotland: A Dramatic Decade


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June 2016. A little after one o'clock in the morning.

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An expectant audience board buses which will take them

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into the Perthshire countryside to watch a play,

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The 306: Dawn.

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The location is not your usual theatrical establishment,

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this will be no ordinary piece of theatre.

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This is theatre without walls.

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This is the National Theatre of Scotland.

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The history of theatre in Scotland is long and rich.

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Its legacy is apparent in the strength of Scotland's language,

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poetry and humour.

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Already it's obvious that you're pleased to see me.

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For centuries, Scottish audiences have come together to laugh, sing,

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and share their stories.

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As a country, I think at our core we've got a really great, sort of,

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ability to just engage.

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We all tell a story. We all do a turn.

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These stories speak in the voice of a nation.

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A people with their own diverse, complicated, ever-changing culture.

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Theatre in Scotland is like no other theatre in the world.

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They were standing,

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and their Queen was beautiful and tall and fair.

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And yet, until this century,

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Scotland had never had a national theatre company.

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I know that the debate had been going on for a long time

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about what a national theatre would look like, what shape it would take.

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Will it be in Edinburgh or will it be in Glasgow?

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Maybe we should have it in Stirling?

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Is it going to be a big old building with pillars out the front,

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or will it be a new, neoclassical building

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with big pillars out the front?

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Scotland's got a very, very particular identity,

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which is music, it's politics, it's direct address.

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Feasgar math.

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There's no fourth wall in great, Scottish theatre.

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Scots kind of like getting right down to brass tacks.

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We're not afraid of singing.

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We're not afraid of standing up in the middle of the bar and,

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you know, singing your heart out.

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It's the immediacy of it, I think.

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When devolution emerged,

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then it became a much more serious notion.

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We did need to both capture and nourish and preserve,

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and promote a common kind of uniquely Scottish perspective.

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Then in 2004, after years of debate,

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the National Theatre of Scotland was established.

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I turned up in Glasgow and it was a rainy day.

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And genuinely walked into a completely empty office,

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no furniture at all.

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I remember going to the NTS on the very first day, I think,

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and Vicky was there.

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And she had literally Blu-Tacked to the door,

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you know, a white piece of paper that said,

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National Theatre of Scotland.

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That was my first day, while the rain hit the window outside.

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And it wasn't scary,

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but it was just a great realisation

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that there really was nothing at all.

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This was a moment to create a national theatre

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that had never really existed in that format before,

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and to create a theatre

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that was something about the people in Scotland,

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and the geography of Scotland, and the stories of Scotland

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at this moment in time.

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In a way, it's everything that I believed theatre to be,

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and should be. So it was thrilling.

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But how could a theatre company aspire

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to represent all Scottish theatre?

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All Scots?

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All of Scotland?

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When Vicky came up with the idea of Home,

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we all went, oh, wow.

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This is exactly right, as a calling card.

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This is the way to say hello to the world.

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To Scotland mainly, and then to the rest of the world.

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Could you believe you long for an island?

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And you miss your home?

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I'd read somewhere that home

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was one of the most evocative words in the English language.

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And I just felt that it was a really interesting word in terms of

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Scotland, having a National Theatre of Scotland itself, what home meant.

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Yes.

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Come through, here, son.

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So we got ten directors, all from Scotland,

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we'd place them in ten different locations

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from Shetland to the Borders, Glasgow, Edinburgh, all over.

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And then they worked with the community

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to come up with a piece of theatre which was inspired by the word home.

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So the idea was that the National Theatre of Scotland

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would start on one particular night in February 2006.

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A Saturday night. When all of these ten pieces would be on at once.

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And this is where the Theatre Without Walls came in,

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which is that we could create work anywhere, for anyone,

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as long as it was artist-led

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and about the stories the artists needed to tell.

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It was... As an idea, it was simple.

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And then I found myself...

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In Easterhouse, at the bottom of a tower block,

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trying to run a tech for abseilers coming down with video cameras.

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To a live audience, doing a piece of theatre.

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Intercepted e-mail correspondent...

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That didn't feel quite as simple, but hell mend me, eh?

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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the unique setting of

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the Highland football academy.

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It's almost time...

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The stories began with home,

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and soon another narrative seemed timely, even urgent.

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The story of young Scottish soldiers,

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a very long way from their homes.

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Ladies and gentlemen, may we present the Black Watch.

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Welcome to this story of the Black Watch, eh?

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The reason we had the idea of Black Watch was that,

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when I started in Hope Street on the 1st of November 2004,

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the newsagent, I went downstairs to the newsagent,

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and I bought the Herald and the Scotsman, obviously.

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And the first page of the Herald was an article

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saying that Tony Blair was trying to disband

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the Black Watch regiment and put all of the Scottish regiments

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into one thing called the Scottish Regiment.

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And then on page three, so two pages on,

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there was a little sidebar article

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which was talking about two young men,

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two 17-year-olds from the Black Watch regiment,

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and the tone of the article was about their pride

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and their family's pride how their fathers and grandfathers

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had been part of the Black Watch regiment,

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and they'd been killed in an IED, in Iraq,

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and what this meant to the community and the tragedy of that.

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And I thought, my God, in a way,

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theatre is about the gap between two things.

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And I thought, if ever there is the possibility of a piece of theatre,

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it's between those - literally, physically -

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between those two pages.

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I definitely fancy it. What the fuck else are we going to dae?

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I cannae be arsed with the pits any more.

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Aye, the pits are fucked.

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ALL: Where do we sign?

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Oh-ho-ho...

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OMINOUS PIANO

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# In Forfar I was born and bred

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# But faith, I d' think shame, sir

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# To tell the weary life I led

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# A'fore I left my hame, sir

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# Hurrah, hurrah, wi' my tilt a fal air al aye doh... #

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John Tiffany's got an incredible capacity for sentiment

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in the most positive way.

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And understanding, you know, why we need story,

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and where that comes from.

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# Hurrah, hurrah, wi' my tilt a fal air al aye doh... #

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So he really was somebody who celebrated

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those Scottish traditions and the music.

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He was consciously bringing all of those things

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which he felt was so important,

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and actually were slightly waning at the time, because they were

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no longer fashionable, into Black Watch, into telling that story.

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# Wi' my tilt a fal air al aye doh. #

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I thought we would be the ruin of the National Theatre, genuinely.

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I found myself in a rehearsal room having said to Greg,

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you can do these interviews with -

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over there in Fife, they happened -

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you can do these interviews with six soldiers who had

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just come back from their second tour of Iraq.

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But I want to do a collage,

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so that it's not a, kind of, traditionally structured new play.

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RADIO NEWS REPORT CRACKLES INTO LIFE

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'..it's ten past eight. There was deep concern, anger indeed,

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'when the news leaked out a few weeks ago

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'that soldiers of the Black Watch were to be sent north

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'to help out the Americans in Iraq.

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'The area in which they were to be deployed

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'was described here as the Triangle of Death.

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'So it has turned out for three of them,

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'blown up yesterday by a suicide car bomber.

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'Eight more were injured. The ambush...'

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The first time I heard about the play

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was through a friend of mine.

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I went with a bit of trepidation, thinking, actors playing us,

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and then the scene with the pool table,

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where the bayonet comes through.

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I think that was that moment of realisation

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that there was something special about this play.

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We watched one of the first run-throughs,

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and I choke up even saying it now, because I sat there,

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and I thought, "Oh, my God -

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"something's happened which makes me believe in theatre again."

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Aye, hold on!

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I think they've found something in this car.

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I hope it's porn!

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EXPLOSION

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A GAELIC LAMENT FADES IN

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'Mother uniform 3362

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'P4.'

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What Black Watch did, you know, when it first came out,

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at the Fringe in 2006,

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it was, obviously, there was a bit of turmoil going on with the

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seven Scottish regiments and what was happening with amalgamations.

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It did bring a focus.

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It did bring a community focus of, we want to keep our regiment,

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you know, we want to keep our identity.

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I fought for my regiment.

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I fought for my company.

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I fought for my platoon.

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I fought for my section.

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I fought for my mates.

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And that was important to everybody, and it still is.

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It still is to me, as an ex-serving Black Watch soldier.

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And to probably ex-servicemen, soldiers 20, 30 years before me.

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We will always class ourselves as Black Watch.

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And we'll always class ourselves as 1st Battalion.

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I'm so glad that we were able to honour those lads.

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ALL: Five, six, seven, eight!

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Very deep in my, kind of, soul is something

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which I feel honoured to have been able to tell their story.

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And I know Gregory Burke feels the same.

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The thing that I always found really tragic about Black Watch

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was that it was so universal.

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And that also, it was still so relevant, oddly,

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for us to be able to keep touring it year after year.

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That was actually a great tragedy,

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that we hadn't learned from it and it was still important,

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and it still is.

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EXPLOSION

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Black Watch went where generations of Scots themselves had gone before,

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all over the world.

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It was an eclectic and confident calling card.

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Heralding a year of diverse and innovative productions.

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The National Theatre of Scotland had arrived.

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And in that same year, they staged a production that represented another

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strong strand of Scotland's theatrical tradition.

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It was a well-known, well-loved story,

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with songs everyone could sing along to.

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Scottish audiences welcomed the return

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of Danny McGlone and Suzi Kettles

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as John Byrne's cult television show, Tutti Frutti, hit the stage.

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# But should we be apart

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# I really love you, baby... #

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Tah-da!

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The King's Theatre.

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Wow, ten years. It's funny, isn't it,

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seeing it without all the tabs and the side bits and...

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It looks way bigger. It looks massive.

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Ten years, that's ridiculous!

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There was a huge hunger for Tutti Frutti.

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It had been so huge in Scotland.

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I was about 17 or 18 when it came out

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and I remember absolutely worshipping the show.

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In 20 years, it hadn't been seen nor heard of,

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and it became almost like a, kind of, Scottish folklore.

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"Tutti Frutti, do you remember Tutti Frutti?"

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Danny?

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Danny McGlone?

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I thought you were supposed to be in New York.

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It's me.

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Suzi Kettles.

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People liked it for the nostalgia as well.

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That's a big John Byrne thing.

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I'm going to hold my hands up, when I first read the script I was,

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like, some of it, I didn't get.

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It's from my nana's kind of era.

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You know, going up the dancing and cutting a rug,

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and all that kind of stuff.

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And I think that's what people love about it,

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that it's from a bygone time.

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You know, it reminds them of their nana,

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and of, "Oh, yeah, my grandad and his quiff,"

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you know, it reminds me of all that.

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# Dum, dum, dum, dummy-doo-wah

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# Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

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# Oh-oh-oh, oh-oh-ooh-ah

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# Only the lonely

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# Only the lonely. #

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People remembered lines.

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These John Byrne-isms that were so memorable from the TV show,

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that hadn't been in popular culture for 20 years,

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still remained in the audience's mind.

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What you mean, it was OK?

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Three minutes is a lot better than a lot of guys could manage

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coming straight off a Silver Jubilee tour.

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And it was more like five minutes,

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I can see the alarm clock from this side of the bed.

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I'm not always a disaster.

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Is that you finished? See, there you go again,

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that's twice you've asked that in the past three minutes.

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Correction, five minutes.

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John Byrne was in the rehearsal room,

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and he had a manual typewriter,

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and you'd see him watching what you were doing.

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Every so often you'd hear...

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HE MAKES A TYPING NOISE

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And you'd go... Oh, I've not said that right.

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And then he would come up at the end of the scene

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and hand you bit of paper, and go...

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"Try that."

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And you'd look at it and go, "Ah!

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"Absolute genius."

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Ladies and gentlemen...

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..The Majestics!

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# Bop bopa-a-lu a whop bam boo

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# Tutti frutti, oh, Rudy

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# Tutti frutti, oh, Rudy... #

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They're not a great band.

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They weren't meant to be this, kind of, polished, you know,

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brilliant band. It's this dysfunctional band.

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So even though it was a bit rough around the edges,

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you had to just keep thinking,

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"Well, this is real and this is what it would be like."

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They wanted it to be raw and live, and done every night,

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so it wasn't some track that you were miming to.

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# Yeah!

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# Tutti frutti, oh, Rudy... #

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It was a complete and utter joy from start to finish.

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It was odd,

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it was... Fun. ..fun.

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Quite scary.

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But really, really, exciting at the same time.

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Yeah, you knew you were part of something special.

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Yeah. I think. With the NTS, but especially with Tutti Frutti.

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# Bop bopa-a-lu a whop bam boo. #

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APPLAUSE

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Gathered in a theatre,

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Scots rarely reflect the dour image often projected

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onto the national character.

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Nor has the Scottish character been adequately expressed

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through macho stereotype.

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A richer, glittering persona

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has always had its flamboyant voice on our stages, too.

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In 2007, its incarnation

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was Alan Cummings' rock god, Dionysius, in The Bacchae.

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It started with me being lowered, by my ankles,

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with my back to the audience, like a god, descending.

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I had a gold kilt outfit on and so basically, you know,

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the first thing was my bum at the beginning of the Bacchae.

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It's an inverted cross.

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Which didn't escape me.

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And then David wrote this line for Alan.

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So, Thebes...

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..I'm back!

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I hadn't appeared on a Scottish stage for 16 years.

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It was a ballsy thing to do. It was a ballsy decision,

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it was a ballsy kind of start.

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For your benefit, I appear in human form.

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Like you...

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fleshy.

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Man, woman - it was a close-run thing.

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He decided to make Dionysius this kind of returning rock star.

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The music was very kind of, um...

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rousing and anthemy when Dionysius sang

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and when the girls backed him up.

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And there's nothing like, you know,

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playing a god, singing your head off,

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being backed up by nine gorgeous black girls.

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It doesn't get much better than that.

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# We are the Bacchae!

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# We left our homes

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# To give ourselves to him

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# It's free work

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# It's easy work

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# You! You!

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# You stand quiet

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# In front of your houses

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# Kneel down

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# For Dionysus... #

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Gospel is the facilitator of religious ecstasy

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in such a brilliant, brilliant way.

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So we'd always wanted that kind of energy.

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Aretha Franklin, you know, through to Whitney Huston.

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That kind of amazing power of sexuality - black, female power -

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was what we wanted to tap into.

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# Do it, do it, do it

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# Let's scream demands

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# Let's scream demands, everyone in the land

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# Everyone must dance

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# Everyone in the land must dance to the mountain

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# Everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone in the land

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# Must dance to the mountain, where the women wait

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# Joy! Joy!

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# Joy to you who come

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# To the mountain... #

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I loved the fact that music

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was such a big element of The Bacchae.

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I mean, there is always singing in that show,

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but taking a sort of contemporary style and putting it into a play,

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so that you merge both the ancient and the modern.

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That's what makes exciting theatre.

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And I think that's what Scottish theatre's always done, actually.

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# Yes, we flow with milk

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# Yes, we flow with wine

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# Yes, we are made of honey... #

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I think in Scotland, in general, we've got quite a good,

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healthy connection with bacchanalia in all its forms.

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We're quite sensual people.

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We all enjoy drinking, we all enjoy letting go.

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It's part of our culture.

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Having been away from Scotland so much of my adult life,

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I really think I understand what makes me Scottish

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and what makes which parts of my style of performing

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come from Scottish theatre.

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A lot of it is to do with, kind of,

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breaking the fourth wall and using music

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and connecting with the audience in a very direct way.

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As a country, we all tell a story, we all do a turn.

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I think, at our core, we've got a really great sort of ability

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to just engage and, you know, do our turn.

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That's what I've been doing all these years.

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# Yes! Yes!

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# Yeeesssss! #

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Scotland's National Theatre was starting to find its place.

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Some of what it did broke new ground.

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Some strengthened older traditions.

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Other aspects of Scottish experience had yet to be addressed.

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But there is one constant in the life of any theatre company,

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a continual argument as to the value of creative arts.

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In 2008, the UK had entered another recession.

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And the argument had to be made for the necessity

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of bringing live theatre to every part of a nation.

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Often the best argument that can be made is to do so,

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and demonstrate its effect.

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The National Theatre of Scotland

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took a wide range of its productions to the furthest venues in the land.

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One of these was Long Gone Lonesome,

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the story of Shetland's Thomas Fraser.

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I was approached by the National Theatre of Scotland

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round about 2008.

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They asked me if I'd ever heard of Thomas Fraser.

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I said, "What, you mean the singing creelman from Shetland?

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"Yeah, I've heard of him."

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The opening scene, for me, was fantastic.

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They put on a simple reel-to-reel player, like Thomas had,

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and it was all dark. The only thing lit was the machine.

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And out came My Melancholy Blues.

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And it was the closest thing you'll ever get

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to a live Thomas Fraser performance.

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TINNY RECORDING: # Because I got those melancholy blues... #

0:23:240:23:30

He was a very shy performer in his younger days.

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So, latterly, when I was growing up, he wasn't performing any more.

0:23:330:23:38

But he was still doing his tapes.

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And people would give him blank tapes

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and ask him to record for them.

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There was a lot of that.

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Almost all the theatre pieces I've ever written

0:23:490:23:52

have been simple, straightforward

0:23:520:23:55

and about establishing that direct contact with the audience.

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So, when electricity arrived in Burra,

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what was the first thing that Thomas Fraser -

0:24:010:24:04

a 26-year-old bachelor, crofter,

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fisherman, fiddler, would-be singer -

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what was the first thing he rushed out to buy?

0:24:090:24:12

So when I started to work with Vicky Featherstone,

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my natural inclination towards direct address

0:24:150:24:19

and her natural inclination towards finding something stripped down,

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and immediately effective,

0:24:230:24:26

these two things came together.

0:24:260:24:27

We were singing off the same hymn sheet.

0:24:270:24:30

It was the latest in cutting-edge technology -

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a reel-to-reel tape recorder.

0:24:330:24:35

I think my favourite moment of the play

0:24:350:24:38

is where we hear Thomas singing.

0:24:380:24:40

And he's singing Somewhere Over The Rainbow, which is a surprising song.

0:24:400:24:45

It's a showtune, it's a Hollywood number.

0:24:450:24:48

TAPE: # Somewhere

0:24:480:24:51

# Over the rainbow... #

0:24:510:24:55

Most of the time,

0:24:550:24:56

he did down-to-earth blues or heartfelt country songs,

0:24:560:24:58

and here he is doing a Judy Garland number.

0:24:580:25:01

But he's got a fantastically inventive arrangement for it,

0:25:010:25:04

and it becomes almost like soul music.

0:25:040:25:07

# ..once in a lullaby

0:25:070:25:09

# Somewhere

0:25:110:25:15

# Over the rainbow... #

0:25:150:25:17

And then, me and the band join in, backing him up.

0:25:170:25:22

So instead of just being Thomas and his acoustic guitar,

0:25:220:25:24

he's got a whole band behind him.

0:25:240:25:25

And then I had to join in singing harmonies to his lead vocals.

0:25:250:25:29

# Someday I'll wish upon a star

0:25:290:25:32

# And wake up where the clouds are far behind me

0:25:320:25:36

# Oh, yeah...

0:25:370:25:40

It was sort of surreal but, um...

0:25:410:25:44

..really, really well done.

0:25:450:25:47

And we enjoyed, you know, we enjoyed every minute of it.

0:25:480:25:51

I felt that the National Theatre's play really made a terrific job

0:25:510:25:56

of putting Thomas Fraser across.

0:25:560:25:59

His personality, his musical ability,

0:25:590:26:03

the environment and the circumstances he faced.

0:26:030:26:07

I was very proud. It was a great moment for us.

0:26:070:26:11

A great moment for Thomas.

0:26:110:26:13

Every song in the play was one that Thomas recorded,

0:26:160:26:19

sometimes favourite numbers of his that he recorded many times.

0:26:190:26:24

But, as I was writing the play, I...

0:26:240:26:26

..struggled to find a song that would sum up everything

0:26:280:26:30

that had come before, or at least sum up everything

0:26:300:26:33

I'd come to understand about his character.

0:26:330:26:36

And I was searching around, thinking,

0:26:370:26:39

"In all these hundreds of numbers he recorded, there must be one."

0:26:390:26:43

And I couldn't find one.

0:26:430:26:44

But then I did stumble across a song

0:26:440:26:48

that felt like he should have recorded it.

0:26:480:26:51

# I don't want to set the world on fire... #

0:26:510:26:57

It's about somebody who has

0:26:580:27:00

no ambition for worldly fame or fortune,

0:27:000:27:04

he just wants to light a flame in one person's heart,

0:27:040:27:07

the person he loves.

0:27:070:27:09

But I felt that's what Thomas was doing with his music.

0:27:090:27:11

He has no interest in going to the London Palladium.

0:27:110:27:14

He wanted to record his songs,

0:27:140:27:15

or play them to one or two people who were in the room with him.

0:27:150:27:19

And he would light the flame of music in their heart.

0:27:190:27:22

# I've got no ambition

0:27:220:27:25

# For worldly acclaim

0:27:250:27:27

# I just want to be the one you love

0:27:270:27:31

# And with your admission

0:27:310:27:33

# You'd feel the same

0:27:330:27:35

# I have reached the goal I'm dreaming of...

0:27:350:27:41

I think there's lots of untold stories out there,

0:27:410:27:43

lots of local heroes.

0:27:430:27:45

I think the National Theatre are doing a great job

0:27:450:27:47

in taking these stories out to the wider world.

0:27:470:27:51

# ..a flame in your heart. #

0:27:510:27:55

The National Theatre of Scotland was now five years old.

0:28:010:28:05

Its slogan, Theatre Without Walls, had been realised in many forms

0:28:050:28:09

while always recognising particular Scottish theatrical traditions.

0:28:090:28:13

I killed him!

0:28:170:28:19

And in 2011, the very particular nature

0:28:200:28:23

of Scottish political identity was soon to become clear.

0:28:230:28:26

History demonstrates that Scotland has often made different choices

0:28:290:28:32

to her southern neighbours.

0:28:320:28:34

We shall bring forward a referendum,

0:28:340:28:37

and trust the people with Scotland's own constitutional future.

0:28:370:28:41

And as those tensions became increasingly evident,

0:28:430:28:45

the National Theatre looked back to the culture of our borderlands

0:28:450:28:49

with The Strange Undoing Of Prudencia Hart.

0:28:490:28:51

# I heard twa corbies makin a mane

0:28:520:28:59

# The tane unto the other did say

0:29:010:29:06

# "Oh, whar sall we gang..." #

0:29:060:29:10

Vicky said to us, she wanted to do something about the Borders

0:29:100:29:15

and I knew about Border ballads

0:29:150:29:17

and so she sent us to Kelso,

0:29:170:29:20

where we stayed for a couple of days

0:29:200:29:23

and interviewed various people.

0:29:230:29:26

We went to the pub and there was a folk session.

0:29:260:29:30

And a huge amount of that two days ended up in the play.

0:29:300:29:36

# His hawk is tae the huntin gane

0:29:360:29:40

# His hound tae fetch the wild-fowl hame

0:29:400:29:44

# His lady's tain anither mate

0:29:440:29:49

# So we may mak oor dinner swate

0:29:490:29:54

# So we may mak oor dinner swate. #

0:29:540:30:01

I wanted to make a story that you could...

0:30:020:30:05

A yarn, you know, something you could sit and tell over a pint.

0:30:050:30:09

It's difficult to know where to start

0:30:090:30:11

With the strange undoing of Prudencia Hart.

0:30:110:30:15

Then the act of translating that into rhyming couplets

0:30:150:30:19

was a means of harnessing that story's power.

0:30:190:30:23

And storytelling, that most misused of all arts.

0:30:230:30:27

Horses absolutely must not go ahead of carts.

0:30:270:30:30

There's a central idea as well, which we were both driven by,

0:30:300:30:33

which was the theatricality of the troupe.

0:30:330:30:36

The travelling band of actors, who have, at their fingertips,

0:30:360:30:41

the skills of song, music, storytelling, mime, gesture.

0:30:410:30:45

Prudencia Hart, then, was a prudent 28-year-old postgraduate student.

0:30:450:30:50

And, indeed, you know, the ability

0:30:500:30:53

to create set and theatricality out of nothing.

0:30:530:30:55

And you think of it in Scottish terms,

0:30:550:30:58

it goes back through Communicado and Gerry Mulgrew's work,

0:30:580:31:02

It goes back through 7:84.

0:31:020:31:04

It's the folk tradition of theatricality.

0:31:040:31:06

CRACKLY, INDISTINCT HUMMING OF A BALLAD

0:31:080:31:11

This is nice. Nice?

0:31:110:31:12

It's Robert Burns.

0:31:120:31:15

Oh? It's sung by Robert Burns.

0:31:150:31:18

That's Burns' own voice.

0:31:180:31:20

In a pub, in Mauchline, in 1789.

0:31:200:31:24

I found the record under a pile of lectures by Hume,

0:31:250:31:28

in a box labelled "pornographic etchings".

0:31:280:31:31

LAUGHTER

0:31:310:31:33

And so I think, to me, that way of storytelling,

0:31:330:31:36

where you mix all these forms together,

0:31:360:31:39

yes, it's a really Scottish tradition,

0:31:390:31:40

and I feel very proud that we appear to be, sort of,

0:31:400:31:44

cornering a market in it,

0:31:440:31:45

but at the same time I don't think it's just Scottish.

0:31:450:31:47

I think it's absolutely universal.

0:31:470:31:49

As, I think, is attested to the fact that Prudencia has been able

0:31:490:31:53

to tour the world to similar responses wherever it's been.

0:31:530:31:57

# I just

0:31:570:32:01

# Can't get you out

0:32:010:32:05

# Of my head

0:32:050:32:07

# Oh, your loving

0:32:100:32:13

# Is all I think about... #

0:32:140:32:18

It was a wonderful, wonderful experience.

0:32:190:32:21

It was really very, very enjoyable.

0:32:210:32:23

It's a beautifully anarchic piece of work.

0:32:230:32:26

Oh, yeah. There's so much energy.

0:32:260:32:29

# La-la-la, la-la la-la-la... #

0:32:290:32:30

Everybody was drawn into the action.

0:32:300:32:32

I think it's a marvellous piece of work.

0:32:320:32:36

I think the best thing about it, it's theatre for everybody.

0:32:360:32:38

It's not a theatre for people that live in the big city

0:32:380:32:41

or have access to those facilities.

0:32:410:32:44

It's taken drama and taken it where it should be,

0:32:510:32:54

which is at the heart of a community.

0:32:540:32:57

And getting people involved.

0:32:570:32:59

Which they certainly were tonight.

0:32:590:33:02

CHEERING

0:33:020:33:04

A GAELIC REEL IS SUNG

0:33:150:33:17

Scots song, Scots story and Scots poetry.

0:33:210:33:24

A National Theatre inherits a responsibility

0:33:250:33:28

to represent all the voices of the nation.

0:33:280:33:31

In its brief life,

0:33:310:33:32

the company has only begun to wrestle with that gigantic task.

0:33:320:33:36

But it has frequently honoured

0:33:380:33:40

another ancient Scottish theatrical tradition -

0:33:400:33:43

producing work which highlights social issues

0:33:430:33:45

and challenges political power.

0:33:450:33:47

The true story of the Glasgow Girls' fight for justice

0:33:490:33:52

for families seeking asylum in the city

0:33:520:33:54

had captured the attention of the nation.

0:33:540:33:57

Now it was given theatrical form.

0:33:580:34:01

My name's Agnesa.

0:34:030:34:04

In March 2005, I was detained

0:34:040:34:06

and taken to Jarlswood detention centre from these flats.

0:34:060:34:10

Then one day, there was an empty seat on the bus.

0:34:100:34:14

Aggie? Agnesa? Where's Agnesa gone?!

0:34:170:34:19

LOUD THUDS

0:34:190:34:21

'..Home Office Border Agency health and safety report.'

0:34:210:34:24

'Dawn raid, Glasgow, 2005.'

0:34:240:34:27

She'd been living in Glasgow for five years at that time.

0:34:270:34:29

And for her to be treated so cruelly was just really inhumane.

0:34:290:34:33

I think we all felt really, like, angry and upset.

0:34:330:34:36

We were crying our eyes out in the corridor of our school.

0:34:360:34:41

That one of our friends was just taken away.

0:34:410:34:44

I felt really angry. I felt as though

0:34:440:34:46

it wasn't really the kind of impression of our country

0:34:460:34:50

that I wanted to give.

0:34:500:34:51

We want to help. It's just not right.

0:34:510:34:53

I can't believe this is happening in Scotland.

0:34:530:34:55

You want to help? I know we don't know you guys that well,

0:34:550:34:57

but Agnesa's one of us now. We can't just let folk take her away.

0:34:570:35:00

If you're on strike for Agnesa, we're on strike, too.

0:35:000:35:03

I'd been very aware of the story, way back in 2005.

0:35:030:35:06

I thought this story -

0:35:060:35:08

particularly because it's led by a group of teenage girls

0:35:080:35:11

that just have a passion for life

0:35:110:35:14

and a kind of defiance and a kind of fearlessness -

0:35:140:35:19

I thought, "This deserves a bigger, bolder, more popular form."

0:35:190:35:24

And I thought that a musical was the best way to do that.

0:35:240:35:27

I just looked at her and thought, "What?"

0:35:270:35:29

And she's like, "A musical." And I was like,

0:35:290:35:31

"Do you know what our story's about? It's about child detention.

0:35:310:35:34

"How are you going to make a musical about that?"

0:35:340:35:36

If you've come to see triumph over adversity,

0:35:360:35:38

I'm afraid you're going to be a little bit disappointed.

0:35:380:35:41

Our story is mostly about photocopying.

0:35:410:35:43

Amal! What?

0:35:430:35:46

I must have burst out laughing, I mean,

0:35:460:35:48

how on Earth she was going to turn our story

0:35:480:35:50

about seven wee lasses from Drumchapel

0:35:500:35:53

campaigning for the rights of child refugees, I didn't know.

0:35:530:35:57

But she did a wonderful job.

0:35:570:35:59

And the way it turned out, it's kind of like a love letter to Glasgow.

0:35:590:36:03

# We're at home in Glasgow

0:36:030:36:06

# It's really not that bad

0:36:060:36:09

# There's bits of the city that are pretty shitty

0:36:090:36:13

# But at least it's not Baghdad

0:36:130:36:16

# We're at home in Glasgow

0:36:170:36:21

# We're getting on quite well

0:36:210:36:24

# They say it's a hard and a difficult place

0:36:240:36:28

# But trust us

0:36:280:36:30

# They know nothing

0:36:300:36:34

# About hell... #

0:36:340:36:36

I had been developing close relationships with the girls.

0:36:360:36:39

I'd absolutely vowed I would involve them at every stage of the way.

0:36:390:36:42

And we stuck to our word.

0:36:420:36:44

Let's just go over Emma and Jennifer arriving in.

0:36:440:36:47

At the end of a long week where I'd been working

0:36:490:36:52

with all the actresses, the girls walked into the room,

0:36:520:36:55

and at that point are actresses were right in the middle of singing

0:36:550:36:59

a five-part harmony of what was to be the anthem,

0:36:590:37:01

We Are The Glasgow Girls.

0:37:010:37:03

# We are the Glasgow girls

0:37:030:37:05

# We show them how to do it when we... #

0:37:050:37:07

And the real girls came into the room

0:37:070:37:09

and I think they were quite blown away by it.

0:37:090:37:12

# The Glasgow girls together, we are strong... #

0:37:120:37:14

We all started crying, and they cried,

0:37:140:37:16

and nobody knew why everybody was crying,

0:37:160:37:18

but it was a great feeling.

0:37:180:37:21

When I seen my actress, I was like, "Oh, my God.

0:37:220:37:25

"She's actually just like me, she just acts the way I act."

0:37:250:37:29

I was quite shocked that Cora picked the individuals

0:37:290:37:32

for the right people.

0:37:320:37:33

And I got to a stage where I was like, a bit emotional,

0:37:350:37:38

because it took me back to when I was detained.

0:37:380:37:42

SINGS IN OWN LANGUAGE

0:37:420:37:46

The music really captures your emotions.

0:37:580:38:01

Especially if you don't know the story, as you go along with it,

0:38:020:38:06

and you listen to the story, the music's in the background.

0:38:060:38:09

People that have never really known about it

0:38:090:38:11

then understand the feelings that are there.

0:38:110:38:13

# We are the Glasgow Girls

0:38:130:38:14

# We'll show them how to do it... #

0:38:140:38:16

Teenagers get a really bad press.

0:38:160:38:18

I think we underestimate their skill and their bravery.

0:38:180:38:21

Here was a bunch of girls who wanted to be lawyers,

0:38:210:38:23

who wanted to be activists, who wanted to, literally,

0:38:230:38:26

go out and grab the world and change it and make it better.

0:38:260:38:30

# Glasgow Girls will show them how to do it... #

0:38:300:38:33

If seven Glasgow girls can make a difference, then anybody can.

0:38:330:38:36

Especially coming from Drumchapel as well.

0:38:360:38:38

# We are the Glasgow Girls! #

0:38:380:38:40

After seven years, a new stage

0:38:460:38:48

of the National Theatre of Scotland's existence began

0:38:480:38:51

as Laurie Sansome took up the position of artistic director.

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One of his first jobs was to grapple with how to respond

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to a much anticipated vote, when, in 2014,

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the nation was asked to make a historic decision.

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Hey, girls. What youse talking about?

0:39:070:39:10

The referendum. Oh, God.

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The National Theatre of Scotland produced a timely

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theatrical response, with a whole range of productions

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as the community of Scotland made up its mind.

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With independence, we will be a fairer and more successful country.

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A time when Scotland was struggling to reach consensus

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on the strength of her desire for independence.

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When she was alternately threatened

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and wooed by her powerful southern neighbour.

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When her own internal divisions seemed likely to erupt.

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Not 2014, but 1424.

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The James Plays Trilogy demonstrated that the history being made now

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had deep and familiar roots.

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Cos I'm a bit passionate about Scottish history,

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it became my ambition to try and make that period of Scottish history

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visible to Scotland.

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Whenever I've talked to any audience or any group,

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they all say, with this note of apology,

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"Of course, I don't know anything about this period of history."

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Well, the truth is, nobody does.

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And I think that, particularly at the time I was writing,

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was a moment when Scotland was examining what it was as a nation.

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And it felt like a really fertile moment

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to bring these plays to the stage.

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Sorry, are you still...?

0:40:360:40:38

What?

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I don't want to disturb your prayers. Oh, no. I'm finished.

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I was waiting on you. Good. No, I'm finished.

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So...

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..now we're married. Yes.

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We'll have the wedding blessed again in Scotland,

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and then we can have our wedding night. Yes.

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The characters all talk a very contemporary form of Scots,

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so that people could really get that sense of,

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this, in a sense, is happening now.

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Or is still happening now.

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We're still connected to these lives,

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and they're still affecting decisions we make today.

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I asked to see the Treasury papers.

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Why? Because someone has to start helping you.

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Have you looked at these? God, no. There is no money, James.

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A choir, Margaret, a few singers.

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How many?

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A small choir. How many? Only 40 or so. No.

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I wrote Queen Margaret of Denmark,

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and every time anyone talked about casting,

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I went, "Yeah, Sofie Grabol."

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And everyone's going, "Yeah, right. Like you're going..."

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And I was going, "Ask her! Ask her! Just ask her!"

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And they did. And she said yes.

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I must say, when the project was presented to me,

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I thought, "I don't have the nerve to do that."

0:41:460:41:50

Because, I mean, one thing is to...

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..to take on a great part, a big part.

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But in another language than your own?

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But then I read it.

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Who would want the job of ruling Scotland?

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I'm Danish, you ignorant, abusive lump of manure.

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I come from a rational nation with reasonable people.

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You know the problem with you lot?

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You've got fuck all except attitude.

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You scream and shout about how you want things done,

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and how things ought to be done, and when the chance comes?

0:42:280:42:32

Look at you.

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What are you frightened of?

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Making things worse?

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I remember actually,

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when she said, "You've got fuck all except attitude,"

0:42:400:42:45

I remember the reaction in Edinburgh,

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in the Festival Theatre, was so massive.

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And very often people applauded.

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And they always laughed and cheered, and it was like you felt this...

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..this very strong focus on, "Who are we Scottish people?"

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When I first started writing,

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we didn't know there was going to be a referendum.

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And then it was, I think,

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halfway through the writing process that we found out

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there was going to be one and also it was going to be in 2014.

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And I remember thinking at that point,

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"Oh, please, please let them go on that year."

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Because, of course, it added so much for an audience.

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I think, probably,

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the most exciting moment in my professional life

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was when the plays were on in Edinburgh, before the referendum

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and feeling how the attention of the audience came alive

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at all the moments that were actually talking about

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what it meant to be Scottish,

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what it meant to be independently Scottish, or not.

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Would one of you please explain to me

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why it is I still love you so much?

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Would someone please tell me...

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SHE SCOFFS ..why a rational woman,

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born in a reasonable country,

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would rather live here and be your Queen

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than exist in quiet, happy peace anywhere else on Earth?

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I am the Queen of Scots.

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And I don't always like that.

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But I do love it.

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Always.

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From the referendum to the general election,

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two potent and particular results.

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Politicians and pundits are still arguing

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their meaning and consequences.

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However, it was undeniable that, at this moment,

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Scottish audiences were vividly aware

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of their own cultural identity.

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The National Theatre's voice had developed into something

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as uniquely Scottish as its audience.

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It had all the vigour of its strong tradition of song and story,

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but still remained youthful and rebellious.

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Demonstrated by Our Ladies Of Perpetual Succour,

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based on Alan Warner's novel, The Sopranos.

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# ..whence cometh

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# Whence cometh

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# Whence cometh hell... #

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The play is about six Roman Catholic schoolgirls from Oban,

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who are travelling to Edinburgh for the choir competition,

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but the choir competition is the last thing on their minds.

0:45:270:45:30

# Lift thine eyes O, lift thine eyes

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# Eyes to the mountains

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# Whence cometh

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# Whence cometh

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# Whence cometh hell. #

0:45:450:45:49

It's so out there. It's so full-on, in your face.

0:45:490:45:53

No holds barred, and there's no apology for it.

0:45:530:45:56

This is fucking ridiculous!

0:46:040:46:06

Six in the fucking morning, and Condom's not even here.

0:46:060:46:09

My wife was in a school choir, Catholic school choir.

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And I'd been hearing lots of stories

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about the adventures they'd had.

0:46:160:46:17

On the bus, ladies! Yes!

0:46:170:46:20

Got the goods, girls?

0:46:200:46:21

Two bottles of lemon-flavoured Hooch,

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disguised in a bottle of White's Lemonade. Whoo!

0:46:240:46:27

The idea was to move this choir from the countryside down to the city

0:46:270:46:31

and then back to the country again.

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That idea of transition has a dramatic element to it

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that interests me very much.

0:46:370:46:39

So that contrast was something I wanted to explore.

0:46:390:46:43

We've all read the book, haven't we? THEY ALL AGREE

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Yeah. It's totally mental.

0:46:450:46:47

Like, its quite a challenging read, I think.

0:46:470:46:50

But absolutely incredible, just, like, the way it's written.

0:46:500:46:53

It's just, like, overflowing with these gutsy, amazing, beautiful,

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horrific descriptions of every little thing.

0:46:590:47:02

I've got two years' worth of pocket money and a packet of condoms.

0:47:020:47:06

Let's go mental! Yes!

0:47:060:47:08

I thought you were saving to go to Lloret de Mar?

0:47:080:47:10

When my sister went to Lloret de Mar, right,

0:47:100:47:13

she drank so much that she puked up all over a pedalo,

0:47:130:47:16

then she ate paella that gave her diarrhoea so bad

0:47:160:47:19

she had to stick sanitary towels up her arsehole.

0:47:190:47:21

It was fucking brilliant!

0:47:220:47:24

I'd love to do that.

0:47:240:47:26

ALL: We'd all love to do that!

0:47:260:47:27

I don't think I have any insights whatsoever into female psychology.

0:47:270:47:32

You just observe.

0:47:320:47:34

It's true I spend time hanging around Boot's make-up counter,

0:47:340:47:39

but other than that, you observe, you have life around you.

0:47:390:47:44

And you just see what's going on.

0:47:440:47:46

It's obviously really clear that they were in a choir, so, obviously,

0:47:460:47:51

there's going to be some really classical stuff.

0:47:510:47:53

But it was the ELO stuff that was a surprise to me.

0:47:530:47:57

Ladies!

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A one, two, three!

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# The sun is shining in the sky... #

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It's inevitably structured around music,

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because it's a choir competition.

0:48:050:48:07

The genius idea of the play is to bring in music

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as almost a character in the play.

0:48:120:48:14

# It's a beautiful new day... #

0:48:140:48:17

It absolutely generates this momentum

0:48:170:48:21

that just wasn't there on the page.

0:48:210:48:23

# ..the sun shines brightly... #

0:48:230:48:25

When we hit Mr Blue Sky,

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it's the first song of the show that's not a hymn or choral music,

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so it really just hits the audience.

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And we're singing it straight to them.

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Like, I'm walking along the stage,

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pointing at people, looking directly in the eye.

0:48:370:48:39

I want to give them that shock factor,

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cos it's the first time that we get to do that.

0:48:410:48:44

# Hey, you with the pretty face

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# Welcome to the human race

0:48:490:48:52

# A celebration

0:48:520:48:54

# Mr Blue Sky's up there waiting

0:48:540:48:56

# And today is the day we've waited for

0:48:560:49:00

# Oh-oh-oh

0:49:000:49:03

# Mr Blue Sky, please tell us why

0:49:030:49:06

# You had to hide away for so long?

0:49:060:49:10

# So long

0:49:100:49:11

# Where did we go wrong? #

0:49:110:49:14

It's a gig, essentially.

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It's, like, part choir concert, part gig.

0:49:160:49:18

And that's why I think that the songs fit in the way that they do,

0:49:180:49:21

because we don't try to explain why they are where they are.

0:49:210:49:25

When we come out, we almost come out

0:49:250:49:27

and go, "Well, you're not judging us,

0:49:270:49:29

"we're going to judge you.

0:49:290:49:30

"We're going to judge you as an audience now.

0:49:300:49:32

"We're going to tell you this."

0:49:320:49:33

It's everything that you ever wanted to do as a teenager,

0:49:330:49:39

that you would never have done.

0:49:390:49:40

You're literally getting to put that every single night on stage.

0:49:400:49:43

You all right? She's only had a couple of gin and tonics,

0:49:430:49:46

but she's no' that used to it. SHE VOMITS

0:49:460:49:48

Jesus Christ!

0:49:480:49:50

What did you do that for?

0:49:500:49:51

I didn't want to get sick on the carpet.

0:49:510:49:53

We piss on there rather than risk the fucking bogs!

0:49:530:49:56

Your clothes'll be ruined, Kay.

0:49:560:49:58

These girls are heroic figures.

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In the novel, and also very much in the play.

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# You got me running, going out of my mind

0:50:040:50:08

# You got my thinking that I'm wasting my time

0:50:080:50:11

# Don't bring me down... #

0:50:110:50:12

They come across to me, not as victims,

0:50:120:50:15

not as troubled people,

0:50:150:50:18

but people whose energies

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give us all something that we can learn from.

0:50:210:50:24

So I see it as a celebration.

0:50:240:50:27

In 2016, Scotland is agitated by the results

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of yet another referendum.

0:50:340:50:36

The British people have spoken, and the answer is, "We're out."

0:50:370:50:41

Her National Theatre is ten years old,

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but 2016 marks another anniversary.

0:50:440:50:47

It is 100 years since the Battle of the Somme,

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the most devastating conflict of World War I.

0:50:500:50:53

It was this anniversary that the National Theatre of Scotland

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chose to commemorate in the recent production, The 306: Dawn.

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# No name

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# I have no name

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# No name

0:51:110:51:14

# I have no name... #

0:51:140:51:18

The piece is about the 306 men

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executed for cowardice, desertion, mutiny

0:51:210:51:24

in the First World War.

0:51:240:51:25

It makes us think about, not just the glorious dead,

0:51:250:51:28

the valiant dead, the brave dead,

0:51:280:51:31

who died fighting for their country,

0:51:310:51:33

but it makes you think about the people

0:51:330:51:35

who were just totally broken by this horrendous experience

0:51:350:51:38

that we put people through.

0:51:380:51:40

# Tell me those things that you want to forget

0:51:400:51:45

# I don't have, I don't have, I don't have

0:51:470:51:50

# What's mine is yours Have words... #

0:51:500:51:52

My grandparents, Gertrude and Harry Farr,

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are the real-life characters in 306: Dawn.

0:51:550:52:00

# Show me where it hurts

0:52:000:52:03

# And I can make it better. #

0:52:040:52:09

God, I wish I could crack your head open, like an egg.

0:52:110:52:15

I wish I could climb inside your brain

0:52:170:52:19

and see what has been going on in there. Yeah. Me too.

0:52:190:52:23

During the 1980s, I was tracing the family tree,

0:52:230:52:28

and, at the time, my grandmother, Harry's wife, was still alive.

0:52:280:52:33

So I thought, well, I'd ask her the question,

0:52:330:52:36

as we were going over to France,

0:52:360:52:38

if she could tell me where his grave was.

0:52:380:52:40

And my grandmother said to me,

0:52:400:52:42

"Unfortunately, he hasn't got a grave."

0:52:420:52:44

Then she told me that he was executed

0:52:440:52:46

for showing cowardice in the face of the enemy.

0:52:460:52:49

But she added, "He wasn't a coward.

0:52:490:52:51

"He was suffering from shell shock."

0:52:510:52:54

I saw the medical officer's report.

0:52:540:52:56

Yeah, he reckons I'm pulling a fast one.

0:52:560:52:58

I'm sure he doesn't. Yeah, he does.

0:52:580:53:01

He thinks the stammer and the screaming are for show.

0:53:010:53:03

No-one thinks that.

0:53:030:53:05

Shell shock.

0:53:050:53:07

That's what one of the blokes called it.

0:53:070:53:09

But the MO don't believe in it.

0:53:090:53:11

Thinks that men who cry because of the guns are faking.

0:53:110:53:15

There was such a dreadful stigma about the executed soldiers,

0:53:150:53:19

that my grandmother had never told anyone about it.

0:53:190:53:22

Harry's father, who was an ex-military man,

0:53:220:53:25

forbade the family to even talk about him.

0:53:250:53:27

Repeat after me.

0:53:290:53:32

The facts...

0:53:350:53:36

Desertion. Desertion!

0:53:380:53:40

Mutiny. Mutiny!

0:53:400:53:42

We were stepping into unknown territory,

0:53:420:53:45

making a piece that, is it an opera?

0:53:450:53:47

Is it a musical?

0:53:470:53:49

Is it somewhere in between?

0:53:490:53:51

But we all know that song

0:53:510:53:53

is carrying a lot of the heart of the story.

0:53:530:53:57

# Insubordination

0:53:570:54:01

# Insubordination... #

0:54:010:54:05

Often, the work we want to make at NTS

0:54:050:54:08

doesn't feel like it fits well in a rarefied proscenium arch,

0:54:080:54:13

where you're asking an audience to sit back and respectfully observe

0:54:130:54:17

something going on in another room.

0:54:170:54:19

This isn't about that.

0:54:190:54:20

This is much more about putting the audience in a place

0:54:200:54:23

where they can be reflective.

0:54:230:54:25

And, when we started to explore the stories,

0:54:270:54:29

and the men were often kept in barns in the French countryside

0:54:290:54:35

after the court martial, waiting for their execution.

0:54:350:54:38

And we wanted the audience to be in that barn,

0:54:390:54:42

and that felt like the most honest way of the audience

0:54:420:54:47

being invited to remember and bear witness

0:54:470:54:50

to stories that had been forgotten.

0:54:500:54:52

Firing squad, attention!

0:54:520:54:54

# No name

0:54:570:54:59

# I have no name... #

0:54:590:55:03

For 75 years, this particular episode of the war,

0:55:060:55:10

the executed soldiers, was kept under wraps.

0:55:100:55:13

And young children of today don't really know

0:55:130:55:16

what happened in the First World War.

0:55:160:55:18

Firing squad, present.

0:55:180:55:20

There were schoolchildren sitting all around us,

0:55:200:55:22

watching the play while I was there.

0:55:220:55:24

And, actually, someone said, "It made me cry."

0:55:240:55:27

And I actually wanted to turn round and say, "It made me cry, it really

0:55:270:55:29

"made me cry as well, that's my great-grandfather up there."

0:55:290:55:33

GUNSHOTS

0:55:360:55:37

We were living the experience, you know.

0:56:090:56:11

When you had the...

0:56:110:56:14

Especially the blasts.

0:56:140:56:16

You felt like you were there.

0:56:160:56:18

That you were in the turmoil, that you were in the chaos,

0:56:180:56:21

that you were in the trenches.

0:56:210:56:23

And just you get that feeling of hopelessness.

0:56:230:56:27

The whole journey here,

0:56:270:56:28

you're coming somewhere you've never been before.

0:56:280:56:30

So it's kind of surreal.

0:56:300:56:32

That was amazing.

0:56:330:56:34

I don't think I've ever been moved so much by a piece of theatre.

0:56:350:56:39

That was really quite powerful.

0:56:390:56:42

How can a theatre company aspire to represent all Scottish theatre?

0:56:470:56:51

All Scots? All of Scotland?

0:56:510:56:54

The task is huge.

0:56:540:56:55

The nation itself is constantly changing.

0:56:550:56:58

The National Theatre of Scotland is only ten years old.

0:56:590:57:03

Its future is unknown.

0:57:030:57:04

But it's made a memorable beginning.

0:57:050:57:07

The National Theatre of Scotland is a product,

0:57:090:57:12

literally and figuratively,

0:57:120:57:14

of devolution and how devolution changed Scotland.

0:57:140:57:18

Ten years on,

0:57:180:57:20

I think both the company and the country have really grown,

0:57:200:57:23

and we're on the brink of...

0:57:230:57:25

..hopefully more greatness.

0:57:270:57:28

When the work was entirely unique and only came about

0:57:330:57:36

because of that Scottish form, or that Scottish story,

0:57:360:57:38

that was what people were interested in.

0:57:380:57:40

Because no-one else could have made that in that way,

0:57:420:57:45

at that moment in time.

0:57:450:57:47

The Black Watches, the James Plays, the Bacchaes - they'll happen.

0:57:470:57:51

They'll happen cos artists will make them happen.

0:57:510:57:53

But, strategically, it's about getting out into those communities

0:57:530:57:56

and being a national theatre, a truly national theatre,

0:57:560:57:59

by actually taking work to the nation.

0:57:590:58:01

It can't stand still, by definition.

0:58:030:58:06

It's always changing, and that means it can really respond

0:58:060:58:10

to the cultural moment in which it's making work.

0:58:100:58:15

And I think that's its great strength.

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We mustn't ever lose that spirit,

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that idea that it's Scotland's National Theatre

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and we don't need to be like anybody else.

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We should keep doing it our way, whatever that way is.

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