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Hello and welcome to The One Show with Alex Jones.

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And Matt Baker. Tonight we're joined by a man

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who never lets on what he's thinking until he's given what's in front

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of him a good poke and a prod. Hold out your arm, please.

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It's firm, not too spongey. Yes, clean fingernails.

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Textbook. It is the perfect Paul Hollywood! It

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is the perfect Paul Hollywood. You can sit over there now, Paul. Cheers

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for that. Always good to see you. We were talking before we came on air,

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you are three from the end now. You can't say that! Too late! We are

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doing well. We are over halfway, yes. Do you think you have uncovered

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the new Nadiya? We have uncovered some great bakers, yes. You are

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being very vague! 14 million viewers, your third Bafta. 15,

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actually, but what's a million? When you got so many. Can you top it this

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year? I don't know, every year, I was talking to Mary about the

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figures, how they've grown over the years and maybe this is the year

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where they have reached a plateau. Then there is the decline. What are

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you saying? I don't know. You get a loyal audience and its bills. I

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don't know, it would be nice but we love doing the programme. We don't

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think of the numbers at all. We can't wait until it is back on our

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screens. We have enjoyed it. Paul has been on his travels, collecting

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the best bakes from around the world and we will find out what they are

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later on. Here is a question for everybody, do you think the amount

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of money you spend on somebody's funeral is an indication of how much

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you love them? Joe has been meeting some people who think that the

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answer is a definite no. With so much time and effort going into

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making a living these days, facing up to the price of dying is often

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the last thing on our minds. Unlike previous generations it seems we

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have fallen out of the habit for saving for our funerals, leaving

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family and friends to foot the bill. Experts say that the cost of dying

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has risen seven times faster than the cost of living with the average

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funeral coming in at ?4000. There is one of me and my dad, at a family

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wedding. When Lauren's father died, as the eldest daughter she took on

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the task of organising his funeral. He passed away very suddenly and I

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felt it was my responsibility to take charge of the arrangements. I

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went to the funeral directors, the bare minimum, half an hour service,

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the cheapest coughing. The total cost was still over ?4500, even

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though it was a basic no-frills funeral. The funeral director gave

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me a box with my father's Ashes, with a sticker saying "The remains

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of Michael O'Connor." Paying the bill left the family in debt. Some

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experts are calling a funeral poverty. This lady hears similar

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tales from across the country in her role as chair of the fair funerals

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campaign. There are some brilliant directors who are responding to the

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issue of poverty and trying to find more responsible options out there

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are some funeral directors that are charging too much. Funeral directors

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are running a business, it isn't a charity, they must make money.

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Absolutely bad we must make them go the extra mile to give people

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transparent and clear information about what funerals cost. There are

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alternatives when you are planning a funeral, you don't have to use a

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director. You could do it yourself. For many of us the thought of

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arranging a DIY funeral would be too daunting. Buying a coughing, sorting

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transport for the mourners and of course the dear departed, a lots to

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think about. -- a coughing Dot -- coffin. This lady is planning a

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special funeral for her 97-year-old mother who has Alzheimer's and is

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being cared for in a hospice. I want to do all of the practical things

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which at the moment people handover to undertakers. I want to prepare

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her body. What is the plan, when the day comes, how are you going to

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practically do everything you need to do? We are going to carry out on

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a coffin and we will put her in the family car, the seats are folded and

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the coffin fits and we will drive her home. The junior's mother will

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be buried at a local cemetery. While making plans, Virginia is taking

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advice from Rosie Baxter who runs the consumer advice charity, the

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death centre. People say that they don't want money wasted on a

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funeral, they want to put the money behind the bar. The bottom line is

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that they have to think ahead. You have hit the nail on the head,

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families have to talk about the inevitable. You have almost got give

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your family permission not to feel guilty that they are not spending a

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lot of money. Spending a lot of money does not equate with a great

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funeral. That's an opinion echoed by Virginia. We'll give her a

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tailor-made funeral which will represent the person she has been

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all her life and the person that we love. Virginia's mother 's funeral

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isn't really about saving money, it's about making sure she has a

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personal sendoff and what I have taken from today that is so

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important is people having a conversation with their family so

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they know not only what they want, but how they are going to pay for it

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when the time comes. That film has had the desired effect for me. Ever

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since I saw it I have been... Planning! Looking into it, these

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things that you don't think about. I have a list now. I think it's

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important to talk about it. Paul, your situation, if you are not

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planning your own funeral, how much would you want others to spend on

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it? Get a load of firewood from the garage. I want a big funeral fire.

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-- -- pyre. You basically wants to be baked? It is important because it

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affects everybody. The National Association of Funeral Directors

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have told us that a good undertakers should help to keep you under budget

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and it is worth bearing in mind that even in a DIY funeral there are a

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number of elements that have fixed costs, like the burial plot and

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cremation fees. This is a hot topic of conversation. Let's talk about

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your book, Paul, and the TV series, The Weekend Baker. You have been

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meeting bakers all over the world. Is the idea that you showcase what

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you have baked to them, or getting tips from them? I met people from

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all over the world, I went to Miami, New York, Copenhagen, Naples. I

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don't know how you did it! Then Madrid, Paris, London, Warsaw and

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Saint Petersburg. It was amazing because the people I met, very

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similar to me, they had their own quirks and flavours that I was

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fascinated with. Miami was great, property lines which are this big.

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It is difficult to get the zest off it. -- K

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. Do you ever cook, Alex? Not really! Where does the weekend side

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of it coming? The programme is called City Bakes on the Food

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Network and it is shown at the weekend. It is the idea of going

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away for a break. So The Weekend Baker came from that. The book is

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all of the recipes we got from around the world, things like

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chocolate cheesecake. But there's a difference, there is a chocolate

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brownie with New York cheesecake in it. It is stunning. We can treat our

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viewers do that. You don't hold back on the portions, either. Have you

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done this before, making a brownie with cheesecake? Maybe next week.

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Call it the Hollywood cheesecake. You'd like that. Wonderful. A lovely

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blend. It has the texture of a brownie. The cheesecake is on its

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own. A brownie is supposed to be this size. The pie wages were

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proper, loads of cream on. In Russia we had something like a sausage roll

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but the decoration was amazing. We went to Copenhagen, this thing about

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warmth and putting the fire on, that is the Danish, Scandinavian weight.

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And we had a meal which is basically wry bread with herring and mackerel.

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-- Scandinavian way. When I did the book I wanted to make sure that we

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got everything, I got recipes from these people and put them in the

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book. We saw other things, a proper Danish pastry, which is fantastic,

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wholemeal flour as well. So you have the balance. The flavour was much

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stronger. I can't believe that you hadn't been to Paris. Come on, Paul!

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You don't get a body like this from being on a diet. I have been to

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Versailles in which is three miles down the road and I have been to

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France many times but I've never actually been to the middle of

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Paris. When we filmed there, it is quite poignant, the bombings were

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five days later and we were filming in the place when it happened,

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around that area. It was quite eerie for the crew. Paris, I fell in love

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with the people, amazing people. The food, the culture, sitting outside,

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the mixing, I fell in love with it. Everywhere you went, was work -- was

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there one item that you thought you had in making wrong the entire time?

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Yes, pizza! The most basic one of all! Was the last one you made?

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About six weeks ago. When you are making pizza, I always thought, and

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I've written books about it, you put in the oven for five, ten minutes.

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You know how long they go in for? 45 seconds! Is that all? I worked with

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somebody called Enzo in Naples, one of the best in the world. A

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woodfired oven. Yes, the pizzas are so thin, literally 45 seconds, done,

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and they were the best I had ever had. He called me the name for a

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starter pizza maker. We have to ask you, many people will be wondering

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about the future of the Bake Off. As far as you are concerned, the BBC,

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what are your thoughts? I said before, it's not my choice. Stay!

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Stay! If it was my choice, Mary and myself would like to stay on the BBC

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because that is where the fan base is Common People who have grown up

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with it and we want to stay with the BBC. I would prefer to stay with the

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BBC. Paul's. The Weekend Baker is out now and Hollywood City Bakes is

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on the Food Network from Saturday. Smacking is in the news with another

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attempt of getting it banned in the UK. We have been finding out what

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you think. Smacking your children, is it justifiable or is it akin to

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Corporal punishment? This week, the children's commissioners meet with

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the United Nations to discuss banning parents from smacking their

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children so I have come to Birmingham to find out what people

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here think. A little bit of a smack on the bottom never hurt anybody, I

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had it when I was a child. I think a lot of people did. As long as you

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don't go overboard. How do you feel about smacking children? It's

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disgusting. Are you to smack my own children, sometimes they need a

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smack. You don't go to an extreme. I used to be a schoolteacher, a

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headteacher and I never smacked one. The tone of voice was enough to calm

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the riot. Excuse me, sir, you wouldn't advocate smacking? No. If

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you smack them once, twice, they will get used to this and even if

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you smack them again and again. OK if they have done wrong, but don't

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overdo it because children have memories. I've never felt it

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necessary to do that. It's a very outdated concept, I think society

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has come a long way from those days in the 80s and 90s. Also I think

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it's quite upsetting, seeing another person being actually hurt,

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physically. It is like sport, isn't it, you wouldn't tolerate an adult

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hitting another adult. How do you feel about the United Nations

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telling us that you are not allowed to do it as a country? Keep out,

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mind your own business. You don't need somebody else to tell you how

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to bring up your child. You have to make your own way, don't you, as a

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parent. Some people are doing things that but they do not think it is as

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bad. I was smacked. If you put a ban on it there is no

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grey area or cause for confusion. Paul

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If you put a ban on it there is no grey area or cause for confusion. Go

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to your room - that's enough in our house. Or the naughty step. Bake

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bake isn't just Britain's programme. Many countries have their own

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version. And they all have their own Paul Hollywood. This is German Bake

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Off, Das Grosse Backen. You can see the set is almost identical. Paul

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there is a bit thinner but he has a bit of a beard. Which one is Paul

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there? On the right. We've got five judges from various television shows

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around the world. Three of them are Paul counterparts, right? Yes. They

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are Hollywood in everything but the name. Right. OK? He is called Tart,

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the guy in the bottom right. The other two are from other shows. You

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have to guess which three are your counterparts. Time to play Ites

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Hollywood or Bust. Take your pick really. I will go for Tjaart. Yes,

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Tjaart is from the great South African Bake Off. He worked as a

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personal chef to celebrities. He has a strong command in show-stopper

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desserts. He is... Mary. LAUGHTER. Yes, he is from the Bake

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Off. Pick another one. Benefit. Pick another one. Benefit. Eto - he is

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clean-shaven. He is Beto Perez. He is Colombia's answer to Strictly

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Come Dancing. The most amazing fact is he is best known for creating the

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fitness programme zumba, in the 1990s. Beto was teaching an aerobics

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class and zumba was born. Fabrizio. He is a bit of a unit. Bake Off

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Brazil, it means Hands On. Are we in Brazil? You were everywhere. As

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we've heard, for Paul's new book, he has travelled the world, brought

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back recipes for us all to bring home. Emma Dabiri's food proved a

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hit with the pie and marsh-loving clientele. In the 1960s London was

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grinding to a halt. Mainly labour shortages meant there was no-one to

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drive the buses and trains. Over 9,000 workers came from the west

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endies to help get London moving again. But London Transport didn't

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just hire drivers. Drivers. They also hired 2,000 people to feed

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them. And many of these were women. Rose Morgan, one of the original

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canteen Queens, came to Britain from Jamaica in the mid 1950s. She's

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since been awarded an OBE for her work in the kitchens. Some things

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were very different from home. When the cold weather comes in, you say,

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God, I wish I was home. But afterwards, with a layer of warm

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clothes and you drink as much hot stuff as you can to keep you warm.

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Writer and broadcast andser Mike Macmillan thinks the experiences for

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women were very different from the men. Of course, coming into a

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strange place as a young woman, probably a teenage young girl, it

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was really a struggle for them. Often you wouldn't see any women,

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much less Caribbean women, associatising or being independent.

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Rose, from what Michael has been saying, it sounds like it was tough

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for the women. Sometimes it could be a bit shaky, when you had to do

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shift jobs. But on the same hand it teaches you a bit of trade. London

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Transport realised that social events might help their newcomers

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settle in, so they organised day trips to the seaside, boxing matches

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and beauty contests. A little birdie tells me you won one of the beauty

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contests, is this true? Can you remember what you wore? A nice long

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green dress, with everybody there. It was nice. And were you surprised

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when you won, how did you feel? I was flabbergasted. I could not

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believe. It was a way of bringing people together. We have to remember

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there was a hostile environment people were working in. These

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workers had been recruited from the Caribbean, so London Transport

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weren't keen to lose them. They were a valuable asset to the company. And

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back in the canteens these new West Indian cooks wanted to spice things

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up, introducing an authentic taste of the Caribbean to the food. Dave

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worked for London Transport in the late 1960s. I was a conductor in

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1962. And then I became a driver. You had things like sausages and

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pies. Chips with everything. Then these ladies arrived and brightened

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life up for us. What kind of changes did you start to notice? The women

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were a bit shy of introducing their own stuff, but gratefully they did.

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Many of the drivers and conductors loved it, enjoyed it. The pies were

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getting dumped because people were eating curries and stews and all

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sorts of interesting Caribbean food. Taste buds were set alight with

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Rose's mix of meats like goat, and spices turmeric, cumin and chilli.

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We followed one of Rose's most popular recipes, Jamaican chicken

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curry. Will Rose approve? That looks nice. Yummy yummy. Would you mind

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telling us the recipe? A bit of sweet pepper, onion, garly. And then

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you curry. And now for the ultimate test we are going to serve this to

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the punters to see how this goes down. Are you ready? I'm ready.

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Who's next? Are you having a finger licking? Yes! Our stomachs are full

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now. That's right. It is like mama's cooking. Oh! How does ma make you

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feel to see that your dishes are popular as ever? There's no place

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like home. That looks like my type of curry. It is curry Wednesday

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tomorrow in the BBC canteen. Now we've had the main course we can

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move on to dessert. Do you recognise this canteen? No. Well, that is

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Mosslands School, where you went. Is it?! Can I see it again? Is your

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memory failing you? It's changed. That used too be the hall. Anyway,

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we set the caterers at RCEDWHITE Anyway, we set the caterers at

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Mosslands School a challenge - to bake two puddings. The first was

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your apricot and fig tart, which looks delicious. The other was Mary

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Berry's plum and marzipan tarte tatin. They went out on the piazza

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and handed them out. They are getting reactions from people, to

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see which one people in general preferred. Which one do eral

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preferred. Which one do you think people preferred - your tart or

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Mary's tarte tatin? My tart. It's creamier. Cocky! Let's find out. Oh!

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It was Mary's. That's rigged. I will tell you why, it was quite simply

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because Mary's was easier to Eton street. Is that all it is? If you

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had a spoon and a bowl, you would go for that any day. We'll have a go

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now. Before I watched this next film I had no idea if you stuck an

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ordinary household fluorescent tube in the ground underneath an

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electricity pylon, white light up. Nobody could think of doing that.

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More than 4,400 miles of overhead power lines crisscross the British

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countryside. There's little evidence to suggest that power lines like

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these deter our native wildlife. We've all seen birds happily taking

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a breather and not getting harm. But recent reports suggests that one

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animal who used to live here until a few hundred years ago does go out of

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its way to avoid power lines. The reasons why could teach us a lot

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about the sensory world in which they live. Reindeer went extinct 600

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years ago in Britain. The reintroduced Netherlands the

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Scottish mountains are on private estates, where their movement is

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restricted. But recent research from Norway suggests that reindeer there

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are altering their movements to avoid power lines will. Scientists

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think that they can sense something that humans and other animals can't,

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perhaps electricity itself. High-voltage power lines are

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surrounded by an electrical field. We can show that it is there with

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the help of some of these. We are planting an array of everyday

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fluorescent tubes. We've worked closely with the local electricity

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company to ensure that this is safe to do. But we don't recommend that

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you try this yourself. All we need to do is wait for night-fall to see

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the effect. There's electricity in the air. Enough to turn the lights

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on. I wasn't sure this was going to work, but it has. The electrical

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field created by the overhead power lines carries enough charge through

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the air to light up these tubes. If I touch it, it goes on and off. Air

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is a poor conductor, so the current reaching us is very low. About the

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equivalent to standing next to a fridge. Just enough to create this

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unusual sight. So can reindeer detect the electrical field? We know

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that some animals have this ability, but there is no evidence to suggest

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that reindeer have a strong electrical sense. So what else could

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be going on? Take a look at this footage. It is from an electrical

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survey company. It is filmed with a camera that's sensitive to

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ultraviolet light. These are tiny bursts of electricity emitted from a

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line when it's in need of repair or when it's hit by rain or snow. These

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flashes are invisible to the human eye but should be visible to

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reindeer. I met up with Professor Glenn Geoffrey. Their visual range

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is extended. We don't see ultraviolet UV. Why do they Y have

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this ability in the first place? It buys them great advantages. It lives

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in a dark environment in winter, so any extra light you can light you

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can get into your eye - bonus. The lichens they live off in winter

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absorb UV, so things are thrown into much more contrast. We see a little

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bit of grey coming through the snow, but they see a very dark patch. So

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it stands out? It really stands out. It's main predator is the wolf. Long

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white fur will absorb UV. The reindeer will see that in much

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higher contrast. It will give a few extra seconds to run before the wolf

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is likely to attack it. Experts believe that reindeer might be

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avoiding power lines because their UV vision means they see them as

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lines of sparkling lights, possibly even a constant glow. It is another

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example of how animals' sensory powers enable them to see the world

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in a way that we can only imagine. Fascinating. I will tell you an

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animal you can spot that pot that does see in UV - a kestrel. These

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bakes are lovely. I like this. Yeah, I want to question the custard, but

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this one here... That might be Calum's fault from Mosslands. That

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one is slightly raw. Oh Paul, you're such a bad loser. We have to say

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thank you to Calum. Paul's The Weekend Baker is out now and his

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series City Bakes is on the Food Network. Mary won. Goodnight.

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