27/02/2014 The One Show

Hello and welcome to The One Show with Matt Baker And Alex Jones, now

we always get the best guests here on The One Show but tonight we've

not one but two very special guests. The Cal ber of the guests we have

had has been wonderful. But tonight we have not one, but two very

special women. I think special is an understatement. Because we are now

going live to none other than her Majesty the Queen herself! Good

evening ma'am. How are you? Hello, am I on air. Please stop playing

that music, I hate it. Listen, thank you for joining us and making

yourself available. It must have been a busy afternoon, taking tea

with the German Chancellor, did you have a pleasant time? It was

delightful. We had battenburg cake and Philip likes a Bakewell tart.

Would you not mind, we are going to introduce our main guest. How dare

you? You will be back later. Who do I talk to? She is still going. More

from her Majesty later. Now tonight oes 's other guest. She is regarded

as royal ty in the world of dance he is a true English rose. It is Darcey

Bussel. Come on in. Lovely to see you. Make yourself comfortable. I

love your hair. That is very kind. You have had a trim. We have been

talking with the Queen. You have met the Queen haven't you? I have. I

wouldn't say ballet is her favourite thing. Did she say that to you? She

has. That is very blunt. I admire her for being honest. Was that

before or after the performance? After the performance. But she said

it was an amazing evening. But said that definitely enough ballet in one

evening for a whole year! Wait until she sees the documentary that we

will with be talk about. One of Scotland's senior polices said

placing mobile speed cameras is like shooting fishes in a barrel. We have

taken the One Show megaphone out in Glasgow. Are speed cameras a good or

bad thing. A good thing. Because outside schools and nurseries, it

helps to slow down in traffic for kids. Do you think they're a money

making racket or vital. A safety thing and specially around schools.

Sometimes, but general driving, there is no need for them. They're a

joke. They're sneaky with them and they're unsuspecting. They should be

advertised more on where they are. Do they make money? Yes. Why?

Because we choose to speed. If we don't want them to make money -

don't break the limit. If you don't speed, they don't make money. If it

is 3am, what is your problem? Come on! Really? The amount I pay for

insurance and road tax and there is still a million and one potholes, it

is a joke. You're up and down bouncing with the potholes. Where is

this money going? What do you think? Yes I agree. The 2014 games coming

up, they're looking for a way to raise more money and to get as much

from us, the drivers, as possible. The council take the money and

they're having it in their nice wee benefit things that they have and

their wee dinners and that and it is nothing do with us. I don't get a

single penny back and I pay a fortune. They get your road tax and

the camera and the wardens. You can't win. They make the road safer

and more pleasant to be on. Money making, useless, not for me. That is

my opinion. Thanks. They're a chatty bunch. They slow you down don't you

find? Yes. Do they only show you down at that point? If I'm driving

with me dad, son, there there is a speed camera, slow down. You're

kicking off a whole season on the BBC about ballet. Yes. You're

starting it with a documentary based on Ba Rees thats. -- ballerinas. Yes

on Sunday night. The angle of the documentary. It is about my Male her

row -- about my ballet heroines from the French corporates up to the

today. -- courts up to today. It has been great. We have got to go to

Russia and see how famous they made their ballerinas. They made ballet

something else. Than it was here. Even in France, it is 300 years old

ballet and it is incredible how it has lasted. Who have you picked out

as your favourites? We go to person, people like Anna Pavlova and another

rush called Galina Ulanova, who was with the Bolshoi and came to England

when she was 42 and did Romeo and Juliet and the public went bonkers

about her. And there was Margot Fonteyn. And there was an amazing

American dancer called Suzanne Farrell. There is Margot. You say

you love watching her. Why? She wasn't just a good dancer, she knew

how to sell it and her skills and what she learned to attract the

audience to actually not take their eyes off her. She had that ability.

She lit up as soon as she came on stage. If we are watching the

season, we will watch a lot of ballet, what do you look for? You

know, the technique of dance is one of the hardest things in any style

of dance. It is one of the hard toast learn. You have -- hardest to

learn. You have an amazing amount of brilliant technicians. And it goes

down to the personality and the characters on stage. You be a

brilliant dancer, but have no magic. It is down to their personality and

how they sell it. I was looking for those dancers. That had something

different. They were probably scandalous. Very powerful. They knew

how to get their director sacked. So there were controversial things. A

lot of people's experience of ballet will be dancing as a child or

watching Black Swan. But it is about the rivalry between the prima

ballerinas. Does that exist? Yes. It is not as strong now as it was. To

get to that position was a fight. Where there are many companies now

we're spoiled and the ability to be a principal is there. But to stay

there is hard. And that is when the rivalry gets going. Has anybody used

any naughty tricks? People like to psyche you out before a show. Has it

happened to you zm Yes. But it keeps you on your toes. Because it is

great competition and you need that. What happened with the psyche out? I

won out of it luckily. For those out there that are coming from ballet

tonight, when did it become mainstream, the French courts and

the Russians. It was about the aristocracy. The Russians were able,

everyone in Russian society was able to see it. It was not just for the

wealthy that went to the opera. The peasants went to opera houses and

that is when ballet became so popular with the masses and soon as

it travelled the world with somebody like Anna Pavlova, she did 4,000

performances around the world and took her own company and went

anywhere like Peru and Mexico. For that time it was extraordinary. So

she was their first superstar. There we are. We have interrupted the

queen and now we have to interrupt you. You can catch her ballerina's

on Sunday. And hello to Audrey and Toms who hopefully are watching us.

- Audrey and Thomas. They have been through a hard time and our thoughts

are with them. Lucy takes up the story. Audrey Cripps' husband is in

hospital after a fall. He has been diagnosed with dementia and now

needs to go into a home. It is down to her to find him the right one.

Audrey needs to hurry up, Thomas will be give Andis charge date -- be

given a discharge date from hospital. Then the hospital has a

right to find one for her. They need the beds, you see. Audrey is being

supported by Hannah Fletcher from the charity Blackburn Carers. Once

it is established that the patient is requiring 24 hour care it is a

short window of time. That we have got to find that care home. Tell me

about Thomas and how long have you been married? 67 years. It was a

terrible shock. How he has changed. I never ever thought this would

happen. Never. It must seem like a nightmare at the moment? I'll

manage. I have to. Thomas's hospital said it has never had to exercise

the power to force patients into a home against their will. But it does

encourage them to vacate beds quickly and it does provide a list

of care homes with vacancies if needed. The local council gave

Audrey a list of homes, around 150 in total. This is the and the

standard list. Could Audrey choose any of them? No. To start with some

care homes won't take people with dementia. If I was on me own, I

wouldn't know where to start. Thomas' place will be funded by the

local authority. That is ?312 a week. Some homes have the option of

paying a top up fee of up to ?120 a week to buy a better standard of

care, a bigger room, or a view. It is something she can't afford. This

leaves only five possible options. Hannah must check which one has a

bed. I'm wondering if you have any vacancies. All right thank you.

Bye-bye. There is no vacancies at that one. So that is a no. Try that

one. The King Edward. I could get a bus up to the top and walk down. Hi

can you tell me if you have any vacancies. Right OK. All right then

thank you. No. We are looking for as soon as possible. It is OK to come

this afternoon? Thank you. It is Audrey Cripps. There are only two

care homes with one free bed each. We need to go and see them as soon

as possible. We go in the homes, if you think about what Tom would like,

you know whether he would like act ctivities and whether the food they

have got on the menu is something that Tom would like to eat. Do you

feel anxious? Yes, I feel anxious. I'm hoping that he can get fitted

into somewhere. We have never been with... Anywhere without one

another. This one. It is quite a nice room. There is the toilet and

that. Have you got many men in here? We have a few. That was so he has

got somebody to talk to. What do you think? I don't know until I see the

other one. Fingers crossed. They're having a party. Nice isn't it? This

is nice. He has his own toilet. And a sea view. Yeah. What do you think?

It is lovely. What do you like about it? I like it all. You could go away

and think about it or you could take the room now, because... No, I would

like him to come in here. Do you feel a sense of relief. I feel

better that I know he has somewhere to go. Each year 130,000 elderly

people move into care homes. More than half of them like Thomas will

go directly from a hospital bed. Audrey has been lucky in having

Hannah to support her through what has been a daunting process. But

many other people go through this entirely alone. We have to say thank

you to Audrey. She is going through a difficult time and to invite us to

help others who may be experiencing what she is. But we have heard from

Audrey and that Thomas is settling in. What was comforting is at the

end that she had Hannah to guide her and to help her but that is not

always the case. We have said many times, we wish we could clone

Hannah. There is no service like that. No umbrella organisation that

does that all over the country, but there are charities who do, who have

Hannahs, if you like. It is a shame that there are not more of them. It

is such a valuable service. The funding is a huge issue for

anybody looking into this. Thomas' care is paid for, who is entitled to

it? The first threshold is above ?14,000. If you vo assets and

capital below this, the local authority will found your social

care opposed to you nursing care. Above that, we go to over ?23,000.

Between that, you get some help from your local authority. There are some

instances where the local authority will let you defer payments for 12

weeks, or until you have sold your home.

And if you have assets to pay it back. Above that ?23,000,

financially, you are on your own. That is the bracket that most people

fall into. Thank you, Lucy. And once again, our thoughts with Audrey and

Thomas. Here is Marty with a story of a

rivalry that played out at Wembley Stadium but had nothing to do with

the beautiful game. Anglo-French rivalry has spanned

centuries. From the fields of the France to Waterloo, we have always

sought to get one up on the neighbours across the Channel. So

when the Eiffel Tower was finished in 1889, one grishman decided

anything that the French could do, we could do better. Within a month

of the Eiffel Tower's completion, Sir Edward Watkin launched a

competition to design our version. The great tower for London.

Something to surpass the Eiffel Tower. So the only fixed requirement

of the competition, was that our version should be at least 46 metres

taller. Watkin was an entrepreneur and

visionry. He had expanded the London Underground in the 19th century and

then wanted the network to stretch to the is suburbs. He bought land in

Wembley. With plans for a park and a mighty tower, as its centre piece.

He approached Gustav Eiffel himself to design the tower but he declined,

saying that the French would not think him so good a Frenchman as he

hoped he was. So, Watkin opened the competition to

the public. Offering a prize of 500 Guinness, almost ?200,000 in today's

money. It attracted 68entries from over the globe and the designs were

diverse to say the least, including a tower that dropped people in par

chutes. A tower resomebling a bolt. And a tower with a railway ray round

the outside, but the design to rival the Eiffel Tower, to give the UK its

individual tower was this. You may think it a cope of the French but it

is different. It was 36 5 metres tall. Almost 60 metres taller than

the Shahhed. And double the number of legs of the Eiffel Tower.

I met a local historian. What was the aim here? The grand

plan? This was to have the best landscaped private grounds that you

could have. The recreation amounted to walks in

the bushes and the shrubs. The lakes and all sorts of retail activities.

The foundations were laid in 1892. Four years later, the first level,

46 metres up, was open to the public, but as the money ran short,

Watkin made a cost-cutting decision, sanctioning the number of legs from

eight to four. The pressure loaded on to the four legs, caused the

tower to subside as it sank. Sir Edward Watkin died in 1901. And with

him the dream tower. It was reduced to scrap. The London suburbs took

over the site, but there is a patch of grassland remaining, where

Britain's rival to the Eiffel Tower once stood, here at Wembley Stadium,

where many a dream has fallen to pieces too. For a day only, on a

rather smaller scale, we are building our own great tower for

London. Brian Cahill and engineers from the University College of

London are here to help. He looked at the original designs and has gone

for a sturdy 12-leg base. And going for an interesting building

material. We are using bamboo.

That is quicker. Yes. Then we tie it with duct tape.

Not available then. And also twine and string. What we are going to do

is lift it using ropes. You are going to pull the whole

thing up? Absolutely. We better get on.

Absolutely. It is when you hear things like it

is a bit wobbly, you worry slightly! Keep going. Pull it up, guys. Pull

away. Pull. Keep your feet there. That's it. Go. Gently.

Gently. Finally, a tower is constructed on

the very same site as Watkins'. This one has enough legs to stay up.

Good job. Now, one certain TV show that has an

association with the tower is Strictly. And Blackpool Tower. So,

Darcey, again, the question, are you judging this year? I hope so.

When are you expecting the call? March, I think it is.

OK. It would be lovely, but I don't know

yet. I don't think that anyone knows yet.

Do the panel know before the dancers? No.

I have no idea! I have only done it twice.

Well you are a breath of fresh air, according to an e-mail coming in.

So, litter picking. 1,000 lines or a week of lunch time standing outside

of the staff room. Punishments for anyone caught copying at school.

But, the risks associated with passing off other people's work in

adult life are greater, as Gyles found out in the last of his films

on plagiarism. Ten years ago turn on your telly and

a day time show, you were likely to see Dr Raj Persad.

You are concerned, he is someone with a short fuse when driving and

he could lose his temper with someone who could talliate. But the

career came to a halt in June of 2008.

The broadcaster admit admitted plagiarising other people's work.

He was found guilty of conduct, that was misleading, inprofrite --

inappropriate, and lible to bring his profession into disrepute. The

indiscretion, being a copy cat. He wrote books and articles, heavily

based on others, without giving them the credit. There is a term for the

actions, it is academic plagiarism, but what is it? Academic plagiarism

is if you present a work of someone else as your own.

Is it a crime? No, it is not. It is basically something a disciplinary

matter. Obviously it is something not to do. Someone has put a lot of

effort into producing work and then someone else is trying to have a

freeride on that effort. Of course, academics use other

people's work all of the time, but unlike journalists and secret

agents, they have to reveal their sources. There are rules for how to

use the sources. They are straightforward. If you have reduced

a quote, it should be clearly identifiable as such. Put it in

quotations marks or type set it so it is obvious. Or referring to the

work of others, site the source in your text or in foot notes.

That is exactly what Raj Persad did not do in this book from The Edge of

the Couch. A science journalist exposed him

with a devastating article in the Sunday Timeses.

How were your suspicions aroused? It start -- it started in 2005, an

article was retracted over the issue of plagiarism. I thought if it was

there, it could be elsewhere. So I pulled a popular book and checked

it. So, there, associations between

madness and creative genius... I typed that into Google Scholar. Up

comes the phrase. And here is the paper and we find... The same

phrase. What did you do with the duplications? I contacted the

authors of the paper, a professor Richard Bentall and faxed him over

the excerpts of the book and the paper and asked what he made of it.

What did he make of it? He was not pleased.

The professor was astonished by how blatant the copying was.

Why is this issue important? Honesty is essential to the academic work.

If you cannot trust what a scientist says or does, then the fabric of

science is undermined. He had copied others too. So the

General Medical Council decided it was serious enough to take action

against Mr Persad. He admitted plagiarism and that the conduct had

been misleading and inappropriate, but denied deliberate dishonesty and

bringing his profession into disrepute, but he was found guilty

of charges and suspended for three months. The case dealt a fatal blow

to his career. We asked him to take part in our

film but he declined. Plagiarism it is easy to do but

thanks to sophisticate sophisticated computer programmes it is easier

than ever to get caught. Oh, yes, the copy cats are out of the bag.

Yes, they are. So, let's go back live to London's

South Bank, where Her Majesty the Queen is waiting for us.

Your Majesty! We have caught you unaway.

So sorry! Terrible sorry. I just wanted to say to Darcey Bussell, it

is true I am not a huge fan of ballet but I did like Matthew

Bourne's Swan Lake, if you know what I mean? ! OK! Just explain, ma'am,

why you are at the British Film Institue this evening? I am at the

BFI South Bank to celebrate 30 years of Spitting Image. Now, that may

seem a lot unless you have been on the Throne as long as I have. In

which case, frankly, it is rubbish. Are you there, then, with other

famous faces from 30 years ago? You know, everyone looks so old, I can't

recognise any of them! So, what happened to Spitting Image? We know

it finished in 1996 but why? It was so popular? Yes, I stopped it.

Well, listen, ma'am, is it possible to speak to your Lady In Waiting?

Wait, I have to get in my plug! I'm appearing at the Cartoon Museum in

Little Russell Street. Very good. Louise, are you there.

Tell us what it is like to have been a part of the original cast 30 years

ago? It was amazing. We did not know what it would be. It was all scary.

It was done at the last minute. It was very, very, I was going to say

something that I m not allowed to say on TV, but it was scary getting

it together. Well, it has been lovely to talk to

you. Thank you so much Your Majesty,

thanks also to Darcey. That's all for this evening but I'm back

tomorrow night with Chris when we're joined by Evan Davis so I'll see