Episode 2 Sister Rita to the Rescue


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Across Britain, in hundreds of towns,

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cities and neighbourhoods, people are struggling with everyday

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worries that have got on top of them.

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But there ARE places to turn, even if

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it seems that no-one else will help.

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This centre is one of them,

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made unique by the woman that runs it.

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A nun for 50 years...

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SHE TOOTS HORN

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Bye-bye!

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..she's made it her mission to get this community

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back on its feet, and make a real difference to the lives

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of as many people as she can...

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in her own particular way.

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They don't call me the Formidable Sister Rita for nothing.

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Today, Sister Rita is summoned to Westminster after taking her

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views right to the top.

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There is dire, dire poverty in Collyhurst.

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Our task today is to try and get this across to the minister.

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But when she gets an unexpectedly positive result, the nun

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finds herself at the centre of a media storm.

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I have said nothing

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as a statement to anybody,

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I repeat that,

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I have said NOTHING

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to the press

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or anybody else.

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Collyhurst, Manchester - and the Lalley drop-in centre

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and food bank are once again open for business.

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Right, I need to tell you something.

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New visitors are not allowed to take food

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until we see their documents.

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Calling the shots, in her inimitable style, is team leader Sister Rita.

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Can you shut up, please. If you're all nattering like the kids

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in the nursery, we're not going to get anywhere, are we?

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If I find chewing gum on the carpet,

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I'll be sorry for the one who put it there.

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He's naughty, him.

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This is very serious, stop laughing.

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A nun for 50 years,

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for the last seven years, she's been overseeing an invaluable

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neighbourhood resource where people can come for advice and support.

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If you're having problems with the Job Centre - and believe me,

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I have a lot - you come in to us and we'll do the best we can.

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But there's a reason she's known to all as the Formidable Sister Rita.

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Why are you looking at me like that?

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Do you want to be thrown out on your ear?

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If you smoke out there,

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well, you'll be dead if I catch you.

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You don't want to be dead, do you?

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Sister Rita's determined to make practical information

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and help accessible to those who most need it.

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But the problems she hears at the Lalley aren't unique to Collyhurst.

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They're echoed in countless communities across the country.

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And Sister Rita has strong views about what

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she thinks needs to be done.

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Are you listening?

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Rather than keep her opinions to herself, she's taking them straight

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to the top, and has written a letter

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to Prime Minister David Cameron.

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When I decided to write, I'd had a week of people

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coming in desperation.

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And I remember thinking, "Is there anything

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"I could do just to make it a tiny bit better?"

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So I wrote to the Prime Minister

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to say, "This is how it is for people who are desperate".

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While she waits to see if she'll get a reply, Sister Rita

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and her team are doing what they do best - making things happen.

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Don't hit any car, please.

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Don't even joke about it!

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Today, along with two of her volunteers, she's off to pick up

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furniture chosen from her own convent to be delivered to

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a 12-year-old boy who's moved to the area to be with his dad.

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Well, the family who are waiting had trauma, actually,

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and they came into the Lalley about maybe two or three months ago.

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They moved into a house and the child wants to

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hang his clothes up, you know.

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I mean, it's a basic need, isn't it?

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A few days ago, Lalley Centre volunteers dropped the two

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items off for storage at a national charity -

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which distributes furniture to people who most need it.

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-It was here, innit?

-What's that there, behind it?

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But now they're struggling to find what they left.

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And one of the staff has some bad news...

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He thinks they no longer have it.

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Well, it might have gone out if you dropped it off on Friday.

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I think what we brought on Friday has been given out to somebody else.

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The charity gives out furniture daily to those in need.

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And it looks like the two items from the convent have already been

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given to someone else. All this way for what?

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Tell me, for what?

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Sister Rita is pleased the furniture has gone to a good home,

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but she is left with a problem, because she promised the boy

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and his father they'd have a wardrobe

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and chest of drawers later today.

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I get worked up when families are waiting for something,

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they've been waiting for ages and suddenly they can't have it,

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you know, because it's gone.

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I'm not going to keep this family waiting.

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I happily got a donation today

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that I think would be best spent on getting that.

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That's what I'm going to do.

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Back at the Lalley Centre,

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Sister Rita hatches a plan with team member Kath - who's

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seen for herself how much the family is depending on their help.

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-I'm far more upset than I look.

-I know.

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I'm just aware of this 12-year-old with his bin liner of clothes.

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-This is what I'm going to do right now.

-Mm.

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I will ring two charities, or three...

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..tell them we will buy the wardrobe

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and we will buy the chest of drawers.

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Have you, by any possibility, got a wardrobe?

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Could you give us a price, please?

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Right. So, for £50, we'd get both.

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With a deal done, Sister Rita despatches her volunteers to

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pick up the vital wardrobe and drawers.

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Thanks a lot, mate.

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Thank you. See you again.

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And as if that hiccup along the way had never happened,

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the Sister is able to deliver the boy's wardrobe

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straight to his door - just as she'd promised.

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Yes!

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Not every problem Sister Rita

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and her team encounters can be resolved so quickly.

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Many of the people they strive to help have mental health issues,

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and Sister Rita worries that these people are particularly

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vulnerable when it comes to making the right choices

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or dealing effectively with their finances.

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A lot of people come into the Lalley Centre and they're depressed.

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And then they tell me that they were told that they're not depressed

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and they can get a job - I am furious.

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We have expressed all those concerns

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that we have about people who clearly cannot work.

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So, what do we do about that?

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We help them to get their lives back on track.

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Someone with depression finding things especially difficult

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is Louise.

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Her illness has exacerbated her money troubles -

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and as they've spiralled out of control,

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she's ended up in debt to payday loan companies.

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Hiya, Louise. I'm Lorraine, I'm a social worker.

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After missing the medical assessments needed for her

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benefits to continue,

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Louise's payments were cut by the Department of Work and Pensions.

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Such benefit reductions - known as sanctions - are increasingly common.

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It's been claimed that as many as one in five welfare claimants

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may have had one, after falling foul of the toughened-up rules.

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But for Louise, the pressure of having less money

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is beginning to tell.

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I've been sanctioned since January of this year

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and I've not had a penny since.

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My benefit was sanctioned until

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I attended a medical assessment.

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When I went for the medical assessment,

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the report went back to the DWP

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saying that I...could go to work,

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but I suffer with mental health issues.

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When I went for the medical assessment, I clearly explained

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how a general day is for me...

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-OK.

-..and all the stress that I... I'm sorry.

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It's OK. Don't worry. Here you go.

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What they're saying is she should be claiming Job Seekers Allowance,

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but she doesn't strike me as a person who's ready to go

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out into the workplace, so she needs help.

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The Government says sanctions are an important part of the benefits

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system, tackling those who don't follow the rules,

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and reducing the tens of billions spent on benefits every year.

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But charities have expressed concern that for those with mental

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health issues, they may just create more stress.

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I'm just... I'm just not coping...

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very well, do you know what I mean?

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I'm not sleeping, I'm hardly eating cos of everything.

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Even though I'm taking my tablets every day,

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erm,

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it's just getting to the point

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where I feel like I'm going to have a massive breakdown.

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How would you feel about if I contacted the doctor

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and got you an appointment?

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-Yeah, well, I should have gone yesterday to the doctors...

-Right.

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..but I just couldn't get out.

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Lorraine calls Louise's GP

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and makes an appointment for later in the week.

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Do you want me to come with you?

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-Yeah, you could do, yeah.

-Yeah?

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When I go for my review, I just, like, I say I'm doing fine.

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-Everything's OK.

-When they're not...

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And you're not fine, are you?

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No, I'm far from it.

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Based on what she's told me today, I couldn't imagine her

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in a workplace tomorrow,

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because she's got a lot of issues going on.

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How many children have you got?

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I've just got one currently living with me. It's my youngest.

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She's the reason I get up in the morning.

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She was, you know, clearly distressed.

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She should have come here in January when she got sanctioned,

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so she's managed all this time

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with nothing, you know,

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struggling to survive and to feed her child.

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People don't understand when you live with depression, it gets hard.

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If you don't want to get up on that day and go out,

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-you won't.

-I know.

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Mental health is such a difficult area, you can't see it

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and people may appear to look OK, but they're not OK.

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Sister Rita's aim for the Lalley is for it to be a total one-stop shop,

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where locals can get help with all the problems they might be facing.

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And Louise is exactly the sort of case that prompted her letter

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to the Prime Minister, as hers

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is a classic example of the type of situation

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the nun wants David Cameron to be thinking about

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when making big decisions on benefits.

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When I see and hear what they're struggling with with benefits

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and unemployment, that really makes me fume.

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And you can see it in their eyes, you know.

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The hope is beginning to fade.

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They're very embarrassed and they frequently cry

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and break down when they're telling you the story.

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And you know the genuineness of what they're saying shines through them.

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Sister Rita's both surprised and delighted that her letter to

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Downing Street has prompted a swift response.

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The Prime Minister has passed on her concerns to Iain Duncan Smith,

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the government minister

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tasked with making the benefits system a success.

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And he's invited the nun to London to hear her concerns face-to-face.

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I was very, very, very, very surprised

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when I got the e-mail to say he'd see us.

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My main job in meeting the minister

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is to inform him of the effects

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his benefits are having

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on people who are struggling.

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Astonished she's had such a positive response, Sister Rita can't

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wait to tell the Lalley Centre regulars what's in store.

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You have to hear about the minister, Iain Duncan Smith.

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Kath McCarron and I, we're going to London tomorrow to see

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the minister and you'd better be thinking of us - all of you, OK?

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And we will do our best to fight the fight for Collyhurst.

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Though unexpected, the summons to Westminster is a unique chance to

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bring the problems she sees every day to the attention of the Government.

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And, perhaps, for Sister Rita to make more of a difference

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than she'd ever dared hope.

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We are going to try and give

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Mr Duncan Smith a picture

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really of the misery that is being caused in areas like this.

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I don't know anybody actually here

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who's delighted to be on benefits.

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The government must and SHOULD be doing more.

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It's the people that are falling through the gap,

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people who are sick and disabled,

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the elderly.

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That's why we're doing what we're doing now.

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To try and raise some awareness

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of what people have to put up with

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in this day and age in this affluent society.

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There is no affluence in Collyhurst.

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News of the meeting with Iain Duncan Smith spreads

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quickly around the Lalley.

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As the man with the ultimate responsibility for the benefits

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system that affects so many of the people who call in, there's

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real excitement that Sister Rita

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will be able to voice their concerns.

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I am hoping that she will get Iain Duncan Smith to realise

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that we ARE struggling - the real people out there are struggling.

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What I would love out of the meeting

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is the awareness, that extra help

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and that support.

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All those things are necessary

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if we're looking forward to a greater Britain, we have to

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deal with these issues and that's what the Lalley Centre does.

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We haven't got a voice any more...

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..so for Sister Rita to be able to do that is good.

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She'll tell him straight!

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And the opportunity to tell it straight to Iain Duncan Smith

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is one that Sister Rita appears to be relishing.

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I don't know what he knows about religious Sisters, but people

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have an idea that religious Sisters are very quiet and docile...

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He's going to be in for a shock, then!

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It's not like that at all.

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One thing Sister Rita will be certain to mention at the meeting is

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the food bank that's become one of the cornerstones of the Lalley.

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Collyhurst is an area with high unemployment -

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and many residents have come to rely on it to get by.

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Don't push!

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But for the food bank to keep running, Sister Rita has had to

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develop a network of suppliers who are willing to

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give their surplus stock for free.

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Are they all right here? Yeah?

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Big names in the food world she's persuaded to donate include

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Tesco, Greggs and Costco.

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You can take two. Take two.

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Yeah, that's great. Thanks a lot.

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But keeping those suppliers on side is crucial.

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So today, Sister Rita's on charm offensive - visiting two of her

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most valuable suppliers to let them know how vital their donations are -

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and to encourage them to keep giving as much as they can.

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You're for ever looking and ringing and asking

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and searching to get food that people need.

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If people didn't give, we wouldn't be able to do what we're doing.

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We are going to...

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Riley's Sausages.

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Riley's is a local meat wholesaler that specialises in making sausages.

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-That all right?

-Perfect.

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Owner Carol is a contact the Sister has developed a relationship with

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in her own distinctive way.

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I knew she was doing some work in Manchester with very poor people.

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I just asked her if she wanted anything

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and she's never been off my back ever since!

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We have a little bit of, um...

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a creative arrangement between us,

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where sometimes, I do the shouting,

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you know, and she does the listening.

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-The burgers...

-Yes!

-I'm going to keep it quiet from you!

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Wait till we do kebabs, I'm not telling you!

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Oh, well - I'll know, won't I? Cos you've just told me.

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She's a character, but she can get things out of people more than,

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I should think, anybody else.

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You don't say "no" to Sister Rita.

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And while she knows resistance is futile where Sister Rita's

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concerned, Carol's more than happy to help.

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She's even been known to cook up extra supplies

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just to keep the nun happy.

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If we really didn't have anything left, we would make it for her.

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In fact, I have made it for them before.

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She's been screaming at me, "Have we got any more left?"

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and I said, "Go and make her some, to keep her quiet!"

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I think that if you've got a business,

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especially a food business, you should help the less fortunate.

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There are many, many people

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all over England that need people like the Lalley Centre.

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But she does a lot of good work and I dare say at her age,

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she shouldn't be running around so much.

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Next stop, another vital supplier down the road - a growing

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regional bakery that now has over 60 stores.

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We're going to Greenhalgh's bakery.

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The Sister is here to break bread with the company's top brass,

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to make sure that main man David Smart

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keeps those food bank donations coming.

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First of all, I want to say thank you

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so much for the bumper wagon you sent to us.

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It's a pleasure.

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I'm always saying this to you, you know, but the quality is very good.

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You must know that, do you eat your products?

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Look at the size of me!

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David vividly remembers the day four years ago

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when he and Sister Rita first met.

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Oh, my lord.

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She came in just bursting through the door

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and I thought, "She's a nutter"!

0:19:060:19:08

An Irish catholic nun on a mission!

0:19:080:19:10

-This is Italian bread, it's called ciabatta.

-Oh, yeah - I know that.

0:19:100:19:13

She's quite forthright, but then, you cut away at all that

0:19:130:19:19

and you actually see the heart of gold that she's got and then,

0:19:190:19:22

once you see that heart of gold, you'll do anything for her.

0:19:220:19:26

Good for you!

0:19:260:19:28

I know that you've always continued to help us in the past

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and I'm hoping you're going to do it in the future.

0:19:320:19:34

We make our money within the community,

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so it's only right we give back to the community.

0:19:360:19:39

Yeah, OK.

0:19:390:19:40

As long as they need it, we'll always help.

0:19:410:19:44

I mean, at the end of the day, why throw it in a big hole

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when somebody else can benefit?

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I really do trust the Irish nun.

0:19:490:19:52

I mean, she will make sure THAT gets to where it's needed.

0:19:520:19:56

Doing the rounds of the food bank suppliers is an essential

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part of keeping the service going.

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But things might be easier for Sister Rita

0:20:020:20:05

if she could hand over some of that to her right hand man, Max.

0:20:050:20:08

You can choose one piece of meat.

0:20:080:20:11

-One piece?

-One. One.

0:20:110:20:13

Max.

0:20:130:20:15

Well, I don't think you'd ever get another Max.

0:20:150:20:18

Sister Rita's trusted deputy is originally from Peru, but he

0:20:200:20:24

came here to the UK to be with his British wife Maria five years ago.

0:20:240:20:29

And he now has responsibility for the day-to-day

0:20:290:20:31

running of the food bank.

0:20:310:20:33

What's your name?

0:20:330:20:34

-Etta.

-Etta?

-Etta.

0:20:340:20:37

As he began to volunteer,

0:20:370:20:40

it wasn't very long before both of us

0:20:400:20:43

realised we were singing from the same hymn sheet.

0:20:430:20:46

Sister Rita relies on Max for everything,

0:20:470:20:50

except for one key thing that could really help.

0:20:500:20:53

Max doesn't yet have a UK driving licence

0:20:530:20:56

and that means the Sister is stretched doing work that her

0:20:560:20:59

assistant could be doing.

0:20:590:21:01

Sometimes we get phone calls from some donors.

0:21:010:21:05

With my driving licence, I could take the van and collect it

0:21:050:21:08

but right now I cannot do it, so that's a problem.

0:21:080:21:12

But, determined to get behind the wheel

0:21:150:21:18

and help Sister Rita out, Max has been taking driving lessons.

0:21:180:21:22

Max has great empathy with people. He will go the extra ten miles.

0:21:230:21:28

So far, though, those extra ten miles have had to be on foot.

0:21:290:21:34

Because, while the lessons have gone well,

0:21:340:21:36

Max has had no luck passing his test.

0:21:360:21:39

I've failed five times. Five times, yes.

0:21:400:21:44

Max's problems in joining the fast lane are a far cry from life

0:21:460:21:49

back in Peru where he was a regular on the roads.

0:21:490:21:53

The driving licence from my country's not valid here in UK.

0:21:530:21:57

In my brain, seeing coming cars from the wrong side was a little

0:21:570:22:03

difficult in the beginning for me, so it was very confuse for me.

0:22:030:22:07

Max has now been booked for his latest test

0:22:090:22:12

and thinks it might be sixth time lucky.

0:22:120:22:15

-We will celebrate when? Next week!

-THEY LAUGH

0:22:150:22:18

I think I'm 100% ready for my test on Wednesday.

0:22:190:22:25

If Max gets it right and at last gets his driving licence,

0:22:250:22:28

Sister Rita's task of running the food bank might just become

0:22:280:22:32

that little bit more simple.

0:22:320:22:34

I wish and pray every single hour of the day that he can drive.

0:22:340:22:38

If he wants something from B&Q, I have to drive him to B&Q.

0:22:380:22:43

So of course I want Max to drive!

0:22:430:22:45

But before Max retakes his test,

0:22:510:22:53

another day of reckoning has arrived.

0:22:530:22:56

You have to show him your ticket.

0:22:580:23:01

Along with team member Kath, Sister Rita is on her way to London

0:23:010:23:04

to meet Secretary of State for Work and Pensions Iain Duncan Smith.

0:23:040:23:09

As the minister responsible for the benefits system in the UK,

0:23:090:23:12

the Sister can't wait to let him

0:23:120:23:14

know what life in Collyhurst is really like.

0:23:140:23:18

It's a great opportunity.

0:23:180:23:19

I still can't believe he's allowing us to come

0:23:190:23:21

and see him, actually.

0:23:210:23:23

But we're on the front line

0:23:230:23:24

and they have a right to hear what's going on at the front.

0:23:240:23:28

They're not going to know about it.

0:23:280:23:31

No, except from what they see in the papers and what's perpetuated

0:23:310:23:34

but it's, you know, life of Riley on benefits, you know, you can

0:23:340:23:38

have Sky, holidays abroad and a fancy car.

0:23:380:23:42

That is not our experience at all.

0:23:420:23:44

No, and I think one of our tasks today is to try

0:23:440:23:48

and get this across to the minister. There is dire,

0:23:480:23:51

dire poverty in Collyhurst and it should not be in this land.

0:23:510:23:56

But, for Sister Rita, this is about much more than simply

0:23:580:24:02

getting on her soapbox to give the minister a talking-to.

0:24:020:24:05

She wants to return from London with something specific to improve

0:24:050:24:09

the lives of those who come to the Lalley Centre for help.

0:24:090:24:13

I'm hoping that by the time we've said our bit, he will be

0:24:130:24:16

initiated into making some kind of response like, "What could you

0:24:160:24:22

"give to us in Collyhurst that could help us to do this better?"

0:24:220:24:26

Now, my feeling is that the minister will be slow to make any

0:24:260:24:32

promises today or to give away anything.

0:24:320:24:35

But they don't call me the Formidable Sister Rita for nothing.

0:24:360:24:40

Neither do they call me Atilla the Nun for nothing.

0:24:400:24:43

Sister Rita's bagged a meeting with a man who could make a real

0:24:470:24:50

difference to the people of Collyhurst.

0:24:500:24:52

-Thank you very much.

-Thank you.

0:24:520:24:55

But she knows the challenge now is to come away with the right result.

0:24:570:25:01

Back at the Lalley, Lorraine has another meeting with Louise,

0:25:040:25:07

who's had just the sort of experience with the benefits system

0:25:070:25:11

that Sister Rita wants others to avoid.

0:25:110:25:14

You've had all the papers back now, haven't you?

0:25:140:25:17

-And you've got a date for next week?

-Yeah. 19th, yeah.

0:25:170:25:21

For almost nine months, Louise has been living

0:25:210:25:24

on severely reduced benefits.

0:25:240:25:26

They were cut after she missed key medical assessments

0:25:260:25:28

and officials concluded she was fit to work.

0:25:280:25:32

But she suffers with depression and both she and Lorraine

0:25:320:25:35

think the decision to part suspend her payments was wrong.

0:25:350:25:39

Now, with Lorraine's help,

0:25:400:25:42

she's set to appeal the ruling at an upcoming tribunal.

0:25:420:25:45

If it goes in her favour, she may have her benefits reinstated

0:25:460:25:50

and also backdated to the time they were originally suspended.

0:25:500:25:55

So they've sent you copies of all the paperwork that they're

0:25:550:25:57

-going to be reading at the tribunal.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:25:570:26:00

Louise is currently trying to run her home without more than

0:26:000:26:04

£100 a week in employment-support allowance.

0:26:040:26:07

To make up for that,

0:26:070:26:08

she's resorted to using money offered to her by loan companies.

0:26:080:26:13

I'm thousands of pounds in debt for borrowing 150 quid.

0:26:130:26:18

I thought I'll be able to pay it back.

0:26:180:26:20

But, as you know, when you don't pay anything back,

0:26:200:26:24

the interest just goes up and up and up and up.

0:26:240:26:26

Yeah. And how much do you owe now?

0:26:260:26:29

1,400 quid.

0:26:290:26:31

If the appeal goes in my favour, I'll get the loan shark off my back

0:26:310:26:36

and then I'll be all right, then.

0:26:360:26:40

Before the tribunal takes place, though,

0:26:400:26:42

Louise has the doctor's appointment

0:26:420:26:44

that Lorraine arranged to talk about her illness.

0:26:440:26:48

All this is getting on top of me. It's doing my head in.

0:26:480:26:50

Yeah, you need to get it sorted out.

0:26:500:26:52

Lorraine is hopeful that a GP might review Louise's medication.

0:26:560:27:00

And, if she can get a sick note from the surgery,

0:27:010:27:04

it could help at the tribunal.

0:27:040:27:05

It went quite well, the appointment. They have changed her medication,

0:27:050:27:09

they've referred her for some counselling as well

0:27:090:27:12

but then she's come to pick up a sick note from reception and

0:27:120:27:14

the Job Centre told the doctor not to issue

0:27:140:27:17

any more sick notes for her, saying she's fit for work.

0:27:170:27:21

The news that the Job Centre has apparently advised

0:27:230:27:26

the surgery not to issue a sick note hasn't gone down well with Louise,

0:27:260:27:30

who admits she does have a temper.

0:27:300:27:32

I think that's stupid, that, me.

0:27:320:27:35

It's the doctor that tells them that I'm not capable of work,

0:27:350:27:40

not the other way round.

0:27:400:27:41

Lorraine calls the Job Centre to find out exactly what was

0:27:430:27:46

sent to Louise's GP.

0:27:460:27:47

She's told it was a standard letter regarding sick notes used to

0:27:490:27:52

support benefits, explaining what happens

0:27:520:27:55

if those benefits have been suspended.

0:27:550:27:58

But it's not supposed to stop a GP issuing a sick note where

0:27:580:28:02

one's appropriate.

0:28:020:28:03

Armed with the knowledge that a sick note can still be issued,

0:28:050:28:08

they head back into the doctor's, where it's clear

0:28:080:28:11

the letter has caused confusion for everyone.

0:28:110:28:14

The benefits system can often be a challenge,

0:28:150:28:17

even to someone as well versed in it as Lorraine.

0:28:170:28:20

The benefits system is really difficult to navigate

0:28:200:28:23

cos it changes all the time.

0:28:230:28:26

I have to phone up and get the information

0:28:260:28:28

cos I don't have all the answers.

0:28:280:28:30

When we phone up, some of the benefits advisers give us

0:28:300:28:33

conflicting information

0:28:330:28:35

and it's quite hard to understand who's right or wrong.

0:28:350:28:38

When Lorraine passes on the new information from the Job Centre,

0:28:410:28:45

it results in the surgery issuing the all-important sick note

0:28:450:28:49

and Louise has found her support invaluable.

0:28:490:28:52

I wouldn't have got anything done without you.

0:28:520:28:54

-Yeah, it's never easy to navigate around the benefits system.

-Yeah.

0:28:540:28:59

But Louise's biggest challenge is still to come.

0:28:590:29:02

Will the tribunal agree that her

0:29:020:29:04

benefit sanction should be overturned?

0:29:040:29:06

In London, Sister Rita's meeting with Work and Pensions minister,

0:29:130:29:16

Iain Duncan Smith, is finally over.

0:29:160:29:19

I think he was tense at the beginning

0:29:190:29:21

and I think he was waiting for us to take out the shotgun,

0:29:210:29:24

to be honest with you.

0:29:240:29:25

-You know, because everybody else is doing it.

-Yeah.

0:29:250:29:28

It was better than I ever imagined it could be.

0:29:330:29:36

I didn't imagine that he would be

0:29:360:29:38

so receptive to what we were telling him.

0:29:380:29:42

I am very, very optimistic about this

0:29:420:29:46

and very happy that somebody who's the lawmaker has listened to

0:29:460:29:52

what we're trying to tell them and I think it'll pay dividends.

0:29:520:29:56

What's more, during the meeting, Iain Duncan Smith pledged to

0:29:590:30:03

trial a new scheme,

0:30:030:30:04

which would see Job Centre staff drop into the Lalley each week to

0:30:040:30:08

give visitors face-to-face advice on claiming benefits and finding work.

0:30:080:30:13

If successful, it could even be rolled out across the whole country.

0:30:140:30:19

We won't let it go.

0:30:190:30:20

The new plan is a bolt from the blue for Sister Rita.

0:30:230:30:26

But mixed with her excitement is the fear that, once she's

0:30:260:30:29

back in Collyhurst, this won't stay top of the minister's agenda.

0:30:290:30:33

I said to him, "If I go out of this room, I hope we're going to

0:30:330:30:37

"hear from you again and that this won't be the end of it."

0:30:370:30:41

And he said,

0:30:410:30:42

"No, we are very interested and we want to do as much as we can."

0:30:420:30:47

Politicians make a lot of promises

0:30:470:30:49

but politicians haven't before met Sister Rita Lee, have they?

0:30:490:30:53

But it seems her worries are ill-founded.

0:31:050:31:08

Over the next few days, plans for testing out

0:31:080:31:10

the Department of Work and Pensions' new initiative are quickly firmed up.

0:31:100:31:15

The Lalley Centre will have some manager from

0:31:150:31:20

DWP who will come in here

0:31:200:31:23

and they will be available for anyone who's been sanctioned.

0:31:230:31:27

They will have a direct access to people who make decisions.

0:31:270:31:33

It sounds to me like a better plan than us

0:31:330:31:37

plodding away trying to find somebody who not only knows

0:31:370:31:41

what we're talking about but can make some kind of a decision.

0:31:410:31:45

The plan is that, for a trial period, Job Centre Plus staff

0:31:470:31:51

will be on hand at the Lalley Centre to discuss work or benefit issues,

0:31:510:31:55

with the authority to review benefit sanctions on the spot.

0:31:550:31:59

It could save visitors time and money on telephone calls

0:31:590:32:02

and, it's hoped, streamline the whole process.

0:32:020:32:05

Good morning, everybody. Can I just have your attention, please?

0:32:050:32:09

It's a real coup for the Sister

0:32:090:32:11

and she wastes no time in sharing the good news with her regulars.

0:32:110:32:15

-Last week, we told you we were going to London, did we?

-Yeah.

0:32:150:32:19

Well, here's the proof.

0:32:190:32:21

APPLAUSE

0:32:210:32:24

Us standing with the Secretary of State in his office.

0:32:240:32:29

Kath McCarron and myself told him about the poverty,

0:32:290:32:34

about the despair of some of the people coming in here.

0:32:340:32:38

He listened very carefully about how he can make it

0:32:380:32:43

better for people on benefits.

0:32:430:32:46

Job Centre Plus, they're coming in here.

0:32:460:32:50

I've got faith enough to believe that they're trying to make

0:32:500:32:53

a difference.

0:32:530:32:54

They could fix it right there.

0:32:540:32:57

If somebody asked me, "How successful was the trip to London?"

0:32:570:33:02

I would say 100% successful.

0:33:020:33:05

Thank you.

0:33:070:33:08

Someone else looking for 100% success is Sister Rita's deputy,

0:33:110:33:14

Max, as the day of his latest driving test has arrived.

0:33:140:33:18

If he can pass, he should be able to lighten

0:33:200:33:22

the load on Sister Rita by taking on even more food bank responsibilities.

0:33:220:33:27

I feel very confident. I practise a lot, so I'm ready.

0:33:270:33:33

This will be my sixth time, so

0:33:330:33:36

I have plenty experience in driving tests here in the UK.

0:33:360:33:40

Max is relaxed, with no last-minute nerves.

0:33:430:33:47

But will all that practice be enough to get him

0:33:470:33:49

the result he needs this time around?

0:33:490:33:51

Unfortunately, no. Max has failed his driving test yet again.

0:33:560:34:01

Definitely not the result he was looking for.

0:34:010:34:04

Well, this is the driving test report. I made 11 faults.

0:34:040:34:09

I feel very disappointed with myself because I need my driving licence.

0:34:090:34:15

Makes me feel not very happy!

0:34:160:34:18

Now Max has the extra ordeal of having to tell Sister Rita

0:34:210:34:25

that he's still stuck in neutral when it comes to driving.

0:34:250:34:28

And he's hoping he's caught her on a good day to deliver bad news.

0:34:280:34:32

We have bits of shouting times, you know.

0:34:320:34:35

You see, I want everything yesterday...

0:34:350:34:38

Good morning, everybody.

0:34:380:34:40

..and Max is more measured.

0:34:400:34:42

And, of course, sometimes he's right and sometimes I'm right.

0:34:420:34:46

Hello, Sister. Good morning. How are you?

0:34:500:34:52

-How did you go on?

-I failed, again.

0:34:520:34:56

It's all right because you'll pass the next time, OK?

0:34:560:35:00

Hard going for you, love, isn't it? Eh?

0:35:000:35:03

Max is relieved Sister Rita has taken the news in her stride.

0:35:030:35:06

But then, he is a particularly valued member of the team.

0:35:080:35:12

We do work very, very well together

0:35:120:35:16

and I'm not quite sure how the Lalley would function without him.

0:35:160:35:21

For now, Max will have to hope that it's lucky number seven

0:35:210:35:24

in his bid to pass his driving test.

0:35:240:35:28

But, until then, Sister Rita will still be the one on the road

0:35:280:35:32

when it comes to the Lalley's official food bank business.

0:35:320:35:35

I'm thinking, "Oh, God, will you hurry up?"

0:35:350:35:38

You're not going to say that to somebody who's just

0:35:380:35:41

failed their test but you can say it to yourself, that's allowed.

0:35:410:35:44

As the Government's pilot scheme gets underway,

0:35:470:35:50

with Job Centre advisers tackling work and benefit queries right away,

0:35:500:35:53

Sister Rita's thrilled at how it

0:35:530:35:55

builds on the centre's regular business

0:35:550:35:58

This is in your interest, you know. It isn't in mine.

0:35:580:36:03

Until an unexpected announcement in London sees her

0:36:030:36:06

thrust into the limelight in a way she hadn't been prepared for.

0:36:060:36:11

Something that I'm also just trialling at the moment,

0:36:110:36:14

which the committee will not be aware of, I haven't said anything about it before,

0:36:140:36:18

I was visited by a particular food bank

0:36:180:36:22

before the summer break to talk about some of the issues

0:36:220:36:24

about delivering food and some of the problems with individuals

0:36:240:36:29

that turn up and say they have a problem with their payments.

0:36:290:36:32

Only a few weeks into the ongoing trial,

0:36:320:36:35

Iain Duncan Smith had, without warning,

0:36:350:36:37

told the Work and Pensions Select Committee, and the world,

0:36:370:36:41

that it was happening.

0:36:410:36:43

If this works and if the other foodbanks are willing to

0:36:430:36:46

encompass this and we think it works, we think we'd like

0:36:460:36:49

to roll this out across the whole of the UK.

0:36:490:36:51

Sister Rita, who understood it was all meant to be kept under wraps,

0:36:510:36:55

suddenly found herself bombarded with calls

0:36:550:36:57

as the story and the Lalley became headline news.

0:36:570:37:02

And when the minister's office does finally call...

0:37:020:37:04

-PHONE RINGS

-Hello.

0:37:040:37:06

..she's less than impressed.

0:37:060:37:08

Well, first of all,

0:37:080:37:10

we've kept our side of the bargain here,

0:37:100:37:12

we didn't put this out to anybody.

0:37:120:37:14

My charity Caritas is bombarded from everybody and anybody about this.

0:37:140:37:20

Though rattled at suddenly being the centre of attention,

0:37:200:37:24

it's not long before Sister Rita is back in control.

0:37:240:37:27

But why did you put it out, then?

0:37:280:37:30

I mean, all right, you can say to me

0:37:310:37:33

it's up to the minister what he does,

0:37:330:37:35

but because we were acting the way we were, it would have been just

0:37:350:37:38

courtesy to let me know.

0:37:380:37:40

And, the thing is, I think that it needs time and it needs us

0:37:400:37:44

to work on it.

0:37:440:37:46

It's a very new approach, people are mistrustful.

0:37:460:37:49

We have to work through that. Bye-bye, bye-bye. Yup.

0:37:490:37:54

Well, that's him told.

0:37:540:37:56

Sister Rita is also upset at how some

0:37:590:38:02

reports are referring to the people who use the food bank

0:38:020:38:05

and she wants to put that right.

0:38:050:38:07

I need to speak to you very urgently about this and you need to listen.

0:38:070:38:13

The media are flocking around right now looking for information

0:38:140:38:20

about the DWP coming here on a Thursday afternoon.

0:38:200:38:25

I have said nothing as a statement to anybody.

0:38:260:38:31

I'll repeat that, I have said nothing.

0:38:310:38:35

What they've put in here is...beyond belief.

0:38:350:38:40

"The Department of Work and Pensions staff are basing

0:38:400:38:43

"themselves at the Lalley Community Centre food bank in Collyhurst,

0:38:430:38:48

"which has been overwhelmed with demand from penniless families."

0:38:480:38:53

Do you think I'd say that about you? I would not.

0:38:530:38:57

Sister Rita, I've got absolute faith in you, honestly.

0:38:570:39:01

Sister Rita's been taken aback at how her desire to

0:39:050:39:08

help on a bigger scale has suddenly become altogether more political.

0:39:080:39:13

And while she's still behind the pilot scheme,

0:39:130:39:16

she's surprised at how quickly it's being labelled a success.

0:39:160:39:19

Right now, I don't think I'm in any position to say

0:39:190:39:22

that it's either a success or a failure.

0:39:220:39:25

There's some correctness, I think, in what they're saying

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but then there's always a slant that comes into it that makes it

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either antithe-government, and I'm not saying I'm pro-the-government.

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I'm pro those people out there and I'm pro-the-government

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if they're going to do anything at all to help them.

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Those of us that are in the business of helping people who are struggling

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for whatever reason, then we fight for them, we're on their side,

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we want them to have a better life.

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And whatever makes it that tiny bit better, we're happy about.

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Away from the national stage,

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a story closer to home is reaching its conclusion.

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It's the day of Louise's tribunal, to rule

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whether she's entitled to benefits that are paid to those who have

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difficulty working because of long-term illness.

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If I don't win today, I dread to think where I'll be next week.

0:40:240:40:30

I'm very nervous. Very nervous, yeah.

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Louise struggles with depression

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and, in the past, was paid benefits supporting her illness.

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But after she missed medical assessments earlier in the year,

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her Job Centre decided she was fit for work

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and suspended her main weekly benefit.

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I don't know what the outcome of today is going to be.

0:40:500:40:53

This is my life, do you know what I mean?

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Sister Rita has sent Lalley Centre social worker Lorraine

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to support Louise through the hearing.

0:41:040:41:06

Just be really clear about what you're saying.

0:41:060:41:08

But I'll be there by your side. Are you good to go?

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-Right, yeah. I'm good to go.

-Are we going to do this?

0:41:110:41:14

-Yeah, let's do this.

-Let's do it.

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If the appeal finds in her favour, Louise may have her benefits

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reinstated and also backdated to the time they were originally suspended.

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-You were amazing.

-Thank you. You were too.

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They're going to send the result of the tribunal

0:41:330:41:38

out in the post tonight.

0:41:380:41:40

Louise was amazing.

0:41:400:41:43

I know you got upset a few times, which is fine. It's stressful.

0:41:430:41:47

I was able to get my answers across and my opinion

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and that's what I wanted, really.

0:41:510:41:54

I wouldn't have got through that without you and your support.

0:41:540:41:58

Fingers crossed, I'm hoping that it's going to go in my favour.

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Two days later, Louise learned her appeal against her benefits

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sanction had been successful.

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After the support she's received from the Lalley Centre,

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she's now once again receiving payments.

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And the tribunal's ruling is good for the next two years.

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Cases like Louise's have become familiar to the team at the Lalley.

0:42:240:42:29

And that's one reason why Sister Rita is so pleased with

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the new pilot scheme that came out of her meeting with Iain Duncan Smith.

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If it works, it will mean, across the country,

0:42:360:42:39

decisions on contested benefits sanctions can be made much faster.

0:42:390:42:43

Which, for people like Louise, will make a big difference.

0:42:430:42:47

And now the dust has settled, the nun is starting to share

0:42:470:42:51

the minister's optimism on how the trial will turn out.

0:42:510:42:55

I think the fact that the Government is trialling

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a project at the Lalley right now, we're very happy with that.

0:42:590:43:03

We're seeing, now, things happening

0:43:030:43:07

and I think the word is getting around.

0:43:070:43:10

And I think it's wonderful

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if the Lalley Centre has influenced any policies that come out

0:43:130:43:17

that will be more beneficial to the people who are struggling.

0:43:170:43:21

Whilst making a difference on a national scale is important,

0:43:210:43:25

Sister Rita doesn't want anybody on her own doorstep

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to slip through the net.

0:43:280:43:30

So her focus now is to find a way to bring together every

0:43:300:43:33

member of the local community who may need her help.

0:43:330:43:36

Next time...

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This is Collyhurst.

0:43:400:43:42

..Sister Rita's attempts to tackle loneliness in the area

0:43:420:43:45

receive a blow when her new friendship club falls flat.

0:43:450:43:48

They don't think they need to come out of their homes to meet

0:43:480:43:52

with other people and that's it, we have to break that down.

0:43:520:43:56

And the Sister heads back to where her own journey began,

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as the city of Cork comes together to celebrate her 50 years as a nun.

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Women are extraordinary beings, truly they are.

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I'm not saying I don't love men.

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LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE

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