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In the world of acting, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
there is a band of performers which stands out from all the rest - | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
an exclusive club of British stage and screen greats, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
who were knighted for their services to drama. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
THEY SQUEAL | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
Oh, terribly sorry. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
For more than 50 years, they have entertained us, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:24 | |
and helping propel them along the road to success was the BBC - | 0:00:24 | 0:00:29 | |
the National Theatre of the airwaves, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
transferring, from the stage to the small screen, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
a new generation of acting talent. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
And as television brought them to new audiences of millions, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
they helped shape the dramatic world on the people's screens, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
as TV evolved into a new art form that everyone could enjoy. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
We'll follow their transformation from newcomers to knights, | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
through their greatest moments... | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
What I say is, when you're dealing with the devil, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
then praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
..to ones they may rather forget. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
From first steps to career-defining performances, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
we'll see where it all began, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
in the archives of the BBC. APPLAUSE | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
My name is Ian McKellen. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
I'm a 30-year-old actor earning £50 a week. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
Our young actors entered a profession still dominated by theatre. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
During the 1950s, television drama was the poor relation of the stage, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
considered lowbrow and somewhat embarrassing. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
It was an art form with an identity crisis. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
Limited by large and heavy cameras, producers were forced to | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
simply recreate theatre plays live in the studio, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
but there was no applause to fill the gaps, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
and on TV screens, stage acting sometimes seemed distinctly hammy. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
Hugo put his arm round her waist, | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
and she smiled off, with that white dress billowing round her. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
Well, it was perfectly natural, after what happened. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
Look at you! | 0:02:22 | 0:02:23 | |
Michael Caine's first appearance at the BBC | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
was a 1956 play about Joan of Arc called The Lark. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
I wouldn't have believed... | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
He plays a guard in the background. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
-Boudousse! -Blink and you'll miss it. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
-I'll take her out and give a ducking, sir. -No, you idiot. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
-But, hey, at least he got a line. -We are going for a gallop together. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
We were talking, and I find I'm surprised... | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
It was an encounter that stayed with him. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:46 | |
Yeah, very few people seem to remember the fact | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
that all the plays then, which were 90 minutes, were absolutely live, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
and you sort of lived with your mistakes. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
I came in and I had one of those helmets on that makes you look | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
like a 25 pounder shell. You know? | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
As though you've just been fired in from a cannon somewhere, and missed. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
And I'm 6'2", and the arch was about 5'6" | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
and as I came in, I hit my helmet, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
without realising it, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
and because I was so nervous, you don't feel anything. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
You're completely numb with nerves, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
-and so, my helmet was slightly cocked on one side. -LAUGHTER | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
And I shall come back again... | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
Television needed a dramatic language of its own, but the acting | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
profession was dominated by an older generation, enthralled with theatre. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
Well, get back to your post. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
You don't need to stand here listening to this. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Thespian grandees Like Laurence Olivier and John Gielgud - | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
proper actors. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
-BOTH: -Here hung those lips, which I have kissed, I know not how oft. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
Where be your gibes now? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:47 | |
Where be your gibes now? | 0:03:47 | 0:03:48 | |
Your gambols? Your songs? | 0:03:48 | 0:03:49 | |
-Your songs? Your gambols? -Your flashes of merriment... | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
And in the '60s, theatre would undergo a boom. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Theatrical powerhouses were launched, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
like the Royal Shakespeare Company, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
and the National Theatre, managed by none other than Olivier himself. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
Regional repertory companies were also flourishing. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
Together, these trends produced a new generation of talent. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
By now, television had begun to find its feet, and emerging young | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
actors and writers quickly found their way into the studios. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
The BBC were determined to bring the experience of drama to a wider | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
public, and through more than just West End performances. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
In 1961, Michael Caine was given his first big break, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
in a now-lost drama called The Compartment. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
Written specifically for television, it was a critical hit, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
and helped bring him to the attention of the film industry. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
Soon enough, he had his first taste of breakthrough success | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
in the film Zulu. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
Who are you? | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
John Chard, Royal Engineers... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
Caine plays against type, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
as an aristocrat, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:05 | |
with varying degrees of success. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
That's my post, up there. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
He held the screen, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:11 | |
but this was an unusual start to his career, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
and some thought it a strangely uncomfortable fit for Caine. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
Who said you could use my men? | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
They were sitting around on their backsides doing nothing. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
I'd rather you asked first, old boy. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
But it was looking like Zulu might be a misfire. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
After filming had finished, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
his film company released him from his contract for, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
as his producer charmingly put it, "looking like a queer on screen". | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
Now 30, and anxious for the next job, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
Caine headed back to his theatrical roots, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
signing up for his first and last classical performance, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
as Horatio, in the BBC's Hamlet At Elsinore. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
Give order that these bodies, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
high on a stage, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
be placed to the view, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
and let me speak to the yet-unknowing world, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
how these things came about. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
He may be more geezer than Gielgud, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
but Caine had actually served a long apprenticeship, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
treading the boards in rep theatre. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:19 | |
Accidental judgements, casual slaughters... | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
And he could do this stuff. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
Of deaths put on by cunning and forced cause, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
and, in this upshot, purposes mistook, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
fallen on the inventors' heads. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
This Hamlet was a technical milestone - | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
the first time a full-length play had been shot on location. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
Drama was usually recorded in a studio and performed live, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
with the outdoor scenes shot on film, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
but using film was prohibitively expensive, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
and video cameras were too large and cumbersome to move around easily, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
so Kronborg Castle in Denmark was turned into a studio, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
and the whole thing recorded on two-inch videotape. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Caine acquitted himself well, but never did it again. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
Before long, though, Zulu hit the big screen, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
and he was claimed by Hollywood. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Who the hell are you and what are you doing here? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
Early roles were, all around, a tricky business. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Nigel Hawthorne was a very strange casting decision as a screen heavy. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
What was it you want? What are you supposed to be looking for? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
-The key, Mr Martin. -The key? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
-You mean the key that Mrs...? -You know the key I mean. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
When you left the cafe, you took that key to an ironmonger's | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
and you had a duplicate made. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
I know what I'm talking about, Martin, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
so don't let's waste any time. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Hand it over. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:39 | |
Luckily, he wouldn't be needing action skills in future roles. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
THEY GRUNT | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
BIRDS SHRIEK | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
Having taken some convincing from his agent that TV was worth | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
bothering with, Ian McKellen made his debut in Kipling, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
stuck up a tree. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
TIGER ROARS | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
GUNSHOTS | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
And there, Stephen, you see, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
in front of me, there was the tiger, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
so I walked up to it, took a single shot, fired, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
-and that was that. -How big was it? | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
It was a confident start for the young actor, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
who managed not to betray any hint of a northern accent. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
A darn sight bigger than any tigers | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
you'll find in this part of the country. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
This isn't tiger country, is it? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
-Precisely, but down in the central provinces. -Ah, but you're not... | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
But despite a few outside shots, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
the majority of the drama was studio-bound. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
It still looked and felt like theatre. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
Equally stagey was an early John Hurt role, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
in Jean Anouilh's absurdist drama | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Point Of Departure. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:04 | |
It was a modern take on a Greek legend for the beatnik generation, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
all set in a railway cafe. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
In the chair. Extraordinary. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
Do you think it was an insect listening to the sound of our steps, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
ready to spring away on its little legs...? | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Its true meaning was lost somewhere in translation. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
So far, the new generation | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
weren't exactly snapping at Olivier's heels... | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
..but, in 1966, one of them got a taste of the kind of accolade | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
usually reserved for the cream of screen actors. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
MUSIC: Don't Go Breaking My Heart by Burt Bacharach | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
Michael Caine's Alfie was hailed as a new kind of antihero | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
and it won him an Oscar nomination. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
He'd only got the part after it was turned down | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
by his roommate, Terence Stamp, who played the character on stage. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Breaking down the fourth wall with casual abandon, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Alfie was Caine's international breakthrough. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Well, what harm can it do? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
Old Harry will never know, and even if he did, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
he shouldn't begrudge me - | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
or her, come to that - | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
and it'll round off the tea nicely. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
He was now a star, albeit an unconventional one. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
Oh, I think there's quite a lot of Alfie when I was younger, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
but you see, of course, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:32 | |
you can't play Alfie and be Alfie at the same time, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
because playing those parts takes up too much of your time. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
You have to go to bed early. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
I don't think I went out with one girl | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
the whole time I was making Alfie. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
I did when I was finished. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
In the same year that Alfie was released, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
Alan Bates appeared in a BBC drama. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
He was already an established film actor, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
but it was theatre that first catapulted Bates into the public eye. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
At the Royal Court in 1956, Bates played Cliff | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
in the legendary kitchen-sink drama Look Back In Anger. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
The BBC's Hero Of Our Time couldn't have been more different. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Based on a 19th-century Russian play, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
it was hardly cutting-edge stuff, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
but the fantastically caddish Alan Bates | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
plays his character with an aloof '60s cynicism, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
musing on the tiresome inferiority of everyone else around him. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Really the nicest people in town... | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Nothing makes me yawn more than the nicest people. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
Now, don't you worry about me. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
Everything's going very nicely for you, isn't it? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
-Well, she hardly knows me yet. -Well, there you are. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
-Women always fall in love with men they don't know. -Not in every case. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
You should have heard the things she said about you. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
-Is she talking about me? -Yes. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:51 | |
-Well, well, well... -I'm afraid she doesn't like you. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
It's a shame, because my little princess is really quite charming. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
And what does your little princess have to say about me? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
She said, "Who is that young captain | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
"with the nasty, overpowering stare? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
"He can't be a friend of yours." | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
But 1966 wasn't all grand appearances by big-names-to-be. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
The very early days of Ben Kingsley were caught on camera, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
entirely by accident. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
Your yardstick is... | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
He was featured in a documentary about Original Theatre Company, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
as a twenty-something hopeful, learning his trade. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
Effectively... | 0:12:27 | 0:12:28 | |
Kingsley can be seen in the background, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
a long time before anyone had to call him "sir". | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
You know, that you didn't move... | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
There's no missing that trademark stare. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
It'll be funny! I'll carry him on my shoulders. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
They were attempting to create a documentary play about the Civil War, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
based entirely on contemporary documents - | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
a brave idea, and young Kingsley doesn't seem entirely convinced. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
It's like being faced with the canvas, isn't it? | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
A great big canvas, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:54 | |
and you don't know the overall effect that you want to make, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
with your colours and with your canvas, until it's finished. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
So you have to do... You have to finish it in your mind, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
and then go backwards, and do it, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
do you know what I mean? But you can't with a script. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
If you've got a script, you've got the... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
You have the line and the form to follow upwards, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
but I think with a documentary, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
they have to get the finished picture and then go backwards, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
and then go forwards to the end. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:19 | |
That's what I think is a bit off-putting. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
I also cut my hair very short and flung my clothes into a... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
Oh, no, cut my hair very short... | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
Regional theatre was the bread and butter of | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
the post-war acting profession. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
Up and down the country, it honed their acting skills | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
and prepared them for bigger roles | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
in the large theatre companies, and, increasingly, TV. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
-THEY SQUEAL -Oh, I'm terribly sorry. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
Michael Gambon was part of Olivier's mighty National Theatre | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
from its early years. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
My first important audition was for the National for Laurence Olivier, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
and, being very green, I did Richard III for him. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:58 | |
I remember going into the audition, and I met him, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
and shook his hand. I was terribly nervous. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
He said, "What are you going to do?" I said, "Richard III." | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
So he said, "Which part?" | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
So, I said, "Richard III." | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
You see, "I know, but which part"? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
Not realising he was sending me up. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
So he said, "Buckingham? Catesby?" | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
And I said, "No, Richard III." | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
So he was shocked, or pretended to be shocked - the cheek of this. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
So, I started straight away. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
I was only two foot from him, and sprayed him with spit. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
And he told me to go away and get up | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
the other end of the room. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
So as I was walking up this long rehearsal room, I was... | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
My mind was working. I thought, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
"How can I impress this man?" | 0:14:39 | 0:14:40 | |
So, I was going to do the speech, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
"Was ever woman in this humour woo'd?" | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
And as I got to the end of the room, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
I thought I'd spin round a pillar. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
They had cast iron pillars up the room. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
And then I... | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
As I came round the pillar, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
I'd start the speech. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
So I did that, | 0:14:57 | 0:14:58 | |
but my ring got caught on a screw, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
and ripped my little finger in half. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
So, they had to send the first aid box. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
The nurse came in. I got the job, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
and I didn't have to do the speech. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
In 1967, Olivier suggested he get more experience in regional theatre, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:19 | |
so Gambon headed to Birmingham, where he could get the starring roles. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
Soon enough, TV took notice, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
and he was cast as the romantic lead | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
in swashbuckling series The Borderers. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Gavin, they've fired the stables! | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
Gambon's action sequences were as wobbly as the sets... | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
..but he caught the attention of producer Cubby Broccoli, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
who asked him to audition for the part of James Bond. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
SWORDS CLANG | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
Sadly for Gambon, the role went to the much better-known Roger Moore. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
GUNSHOT Gambon, it seemed, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
wasn't destined to be a star - | 0:16:09 | 0:16:10 | |
at least, not in the conventional way. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
The door, before they charge it. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
Hot on Gambon's heels was Anthony Hopkins, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
another National Theatre graduate. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
He was first spotted by Olivier in 1965, and became his understudy - | 0:16:25 | 0:16:31 | |
a moment Hopkins remembers well. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
I became a young actor. I was a student for a few years. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
I was too young, really, to absorb what was being taught. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
And I auditioned for the National Theatre, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
and Olivier was the man who was running the auditions that morning, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
and I went in, and I didn't have anything else to do. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
I just did Othello. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
It was the only Shakespeare piece I knew, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
and he was in his prime, then, playing Othello himself. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
Even so, my bloody thoughts, with violent pace, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
shall ne'er look back, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
ne'er ebb to humble... | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
..love. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
And he said, "What parts are you going to do? | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
"What audition pieces have you got?" | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
I said, well, I've got Three Sisters. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
Yeah, Tuzenbach, yes. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
Major Barbara. Yes. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:30 | |
"What's your Shakespeare?" I said, "Othello." | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
"You've got a bloody nerve, haven't you? | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
"You've got a bloody nerve." | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
And I did the Othello, and he said, "Well, I think you are very good, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
"and I don't think I'll lose any sleep tonight," he said. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
"But you're good." | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
And he said, "So, would you like to join us?" | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
For Hopkins, the National Theatre was a training ground | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
that brought him into the orbit of the greats. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
Stage giants like Olivier and Gielgud might have impressed him, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
but he was a cheeky pupil. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
It's been said of you that, in fact, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
you're one of the best mimics, actually, in the business, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
and you specialise in doing the actor knights, don't you? | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
-Yes. -Yes, are you going to...? -Which one do you want? | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
I love mimics. Well, let's start with... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
-Well, everybody does Gielgud, don't they? -Oh, yes. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
-AS JOHN GIELGUD: -To be, or not to be - that is the question. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
or to take arms against a sea of troubles, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
and by opposing, end them. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
To die, to sleep no more. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
What about Olivier doing the same one? | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
-AS LAURENCE OLIVIER: -To be, or not to be - | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
that is the question. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Whether tis nobler in the mind to suffer the slings | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
and arrows of outrageous fortune, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
or to take arms against a sea of troubles, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
and by opposing, end them. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
To die, to sleep no more. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
And by a sleep, to say we end the heartache, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
and the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
What about the...? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
Undaunted by his venerable predecessors, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
Hopkins appeared in a BBC adaptation of Chekhov's The Three Sisters. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
This is my brother, Andrey. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
Prozorov... | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
Chekhov was flavour of the month, and it was a role that showed Hopkins had | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
the acting chops to go on to bigger things. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
Congratulations. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:16 | |
You'll get no peace from my sisters now... | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Unlike many of the older generation of stage actors, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
he had a relaxed and restrained style that worked well on camera, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
which made his performances look effortless. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
I'm secretary of the local council now. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
Protopopov is chairman. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
The most I can ever hope for is | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
to become a member of the council myself. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
I, who dream of the night that | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
I'm a professor in the Moscow University - | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
a famous academician, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
the pride of all Russia. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
The new generation's relationship with television ebbed and flowed. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
As I will not eat any... | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
At the BBC in the '60s, Ian McKellen found an eclectic | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
mix of parts in drama... | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
..Incorrect use of the word, "intriguing"... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
..including this one wearing the wolf's mask. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
..I lacked a university education. It sometimes shows. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
But the word, as used, was not entirely incorrect. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
Ah! You mean other members of the plot? | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Or accessories after the facts! | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
Ah, the '60s! | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
..Exactly who - whom! - they were going to meet | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
until they arrived at this place. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
Madam? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
When I first came here, you decided... | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
Less experimentally, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
he also had a lead role in Dickens' David Copperfield. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
..but, I should be grateful for some indication as to what | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
term of months or years you had in mind. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
You wish to become formally engaged to our ward, Mr Copperfield? | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
With all my heart, ma'am. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
Come, sister Clarissa... | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
He'd played Copperfield onstage a few years earlier and now, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
12 million people watched him reprise his energetic performance. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
We must send her in to you directly. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
You mean I am to propose to her now? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
I see no reason to keep you from happiness any longer. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
Oh, but I didn't think I should be proposing to her this afternoon! | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
I just wanted to let...I mean, I haven't thought what to say. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
I should like time to think it over. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
By the end of the decade, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
McKellen was once more concentrating on his stage career. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
But he had little interest | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
in being part of the prestigious National Theatre. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
He'd been recruited there in the mid-'60s, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
but quickly taken a dislike to it. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
Instead of working with the big production companies, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
he preferred the more radical theatre offered by smaller touring groups. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
McKellen was an outsider, and, for him, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
the '60s would end in both enormous controversy and acting triumph. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
In 1969, he was followed by a BBC crew as he toured, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
playing the lead in both Richard II and Edward II. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
My name's Ian McKellen. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
I'm a 30-year-old actor earning £50 a week playing | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Richard II in a play by Shakespeare | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
and Edward II in a play by Marlowe, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
at the end of a 12-week tour of theatres in Britain. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
'Like most stage actors, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
'part of Ian McKellen's life is still dominated by the trivial | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
'technicalities of getting from place to place, week after week.' | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
Hello, can you tell me about trains to Leeds this morning, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
please, from King's Cross? | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
Is there one in about... Is there one at 12? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
11.30? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
To act for a long run in London doesn't hold that much appeal to me. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
It seems to me that the West End is mainly a tourist theatre. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
One doesn't feel that one is contributing much to society | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
in general if one is acting to a lot of people who are just on holiday. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
When you come to Leeds, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
you play to packed houses, you feel that, for that week | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
at least, you've set up your tent like a circus | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
and you've made some sort of impact on people who won't forget you and | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
their lives might just have been changed | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
a little bit by the experience. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
How good do you think you are? | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
Whenever I start rehearsing a play, I tell myself the fact | 0:23:07 | 0:23:13 | |
that I'm the best actor in the world to play that part. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
Because, obviously, if there'd been a better actor | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
who was willing to play it for the money that I accept, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
the company would have got that actor. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
Why do I rail on thee, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
Since thou, created to be aw'd by man | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Wast born to bear? I was not made a horse | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
And yet I bear a burden like an ass, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
Spurr'd, gall'd and tired by jauncing Bolingbroke! | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
His fear is that which makes me tremble less than I foretell them. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
Wherefore art... | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
Whereas Richard II was recognised as a defining performance, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
his Edward was a more heated issue. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
McKellen pulled no punches in a legendarily gruesome death scene | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
when the King is murdered with a red-hot poker. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
HE WHIMPERS | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
Run for the table. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:09 | |
Spare me or dispatch me in a trice! | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
This scene caused huge debate for refusing to downplay | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
the king's sexuality | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
and the grim nature of his killing. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
But not too hard, lest that you bruise the body. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
WHIMPERING AND MOANING | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
As the '70s dawned, there were new challenges | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
and new opportunities for the knights-to-be. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
At the BBC there was growing pressure to bring down the costs of drama, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
which meant that one-off plays began to fall from favour. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
Scale production and serial programmes were seen as the answer. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
And costume drama came into its own. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
But not all of the new generation had broken out of theatre. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
In 1971, the BBC caught up with Ben Kingsley. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
He'd turned down an offer to become a pop star at the end of the '60s | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
and was now at the Royal Shakespeare Company, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
bearing all as the character Ariel in The Tempest... | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
..seen here in the background. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
It was Shakespeare, '70s style. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
..to dive into the fire. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
To ride on the curl'd clouds, to thy strong bidding task... | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
# Ariel... # | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
He even wrote the music. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
# ..and all his quality... # | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
I wouldn't turn around if I were you! | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
Soon enough, another future knight was ready for his close-up. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
Derek Jacobi was a founder member of the National Theatre | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
and Olivier's protege. | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
It was during a 1961 live performance of a BBC version | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
of She Stoops To Conquer that Olivier first came across him. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
It was Jacobi's first TV appearance, but Olivier was suitably impressed. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
In 1972, Jacobi returned to the BBC a highly-rated stage actor | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
in a series called Man of Straw. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
You can be very nice when you try, Herr Hessling. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
With you, Fraulein Goppel...I shall always e-endeavour to, to... | 0:26:38 | 0:26:46 | |
..be... | 0:26:49 | 0:26:50 | |
That stammer was to come in very useful a few years later. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
By the early '70s, television drama was getting ambitious. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
In 1972, the BBC planned a production on a scale | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
never before seen on British TV - | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
an adaptation of the book that many own, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
but few have read - War And Peace. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
At 20 episodes, it was almost as long as the original, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
but it wasn't without its limitations. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Whilst location footage like the epic battle scenes were shot on film... | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
..interior shots were recorded on video | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
and the contrast between the two was poor. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
In a starring role was Anthony Hopkins. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
..as a traitor to his country on the rights of men | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
I sentence to be... | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
Well, hello. This is... | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
Hopkins starred as Pierre Bezukhov, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
and skilfully balances the kind-hearted meekness | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
and awkward irrationality his character feels | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
at being a man out of place in high society. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Oh, that's 40? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
Yes. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:07 | |
Do you want to go on playing? | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
Of course. I'm going to win it all back from you. Deal. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
270, take one. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:15 | |
It was a landmark in television drama | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
that changed the lives of everyone taking part. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
For a few months, they allowed me to be a child again. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Wouldn't that be lovely? | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
I finished the year surrounded by something like 400 cans of film. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
It meant being able to live with one character for 12 months. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
I think it meant illustrating Tolstoy's marvellous characters. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
It's paid the rent. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
Well, almost everyone. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
You better keep your head down. The French are coming! | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
Hopkins was a man with a problem. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
Unlike his acting peers, AND despite being Olivier's | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
understudy at the National, he had fallen out of love with theatre. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
In 1973, he abruptly left, halfway through a run of Macbeth. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
Hopkins wanted to be a film star | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
and, soon afterwards, abandoned Britain for Hollywood. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
I was a bad boy. I was trouble. I was a rebel. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
I was discontented. I was angry. Fed up. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
I hated being part of an establishment and | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
hated all the Shakespeare. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:20 | |
When I started out, I just wanted to be famous. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
I didn't want to become a great actor, a great Shakespearean actor. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
I had no idea people would say I'd be the next Olivier. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
I didn't want to become the next Olivier. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
I didn't want to stand in wrinkled | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
tights on the Old Vic stage for the rest of my life. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
I had ideas beyond that. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
Some people would call it arrogant and ambitious. I'm all those things. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Whilst Hopkins had chafed under Olivier's bit, Sir Laurence was | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
still the actor against whom the very best were judged. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
Starring alongside him in the film Sleuth | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
wasn't one of his National Theatre proteges, though, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
but Michael Caine. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:55 | |
Roy? | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
Roy? | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
Have you got the glasses or have I got them? | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
I must have left them upstairs. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
'He was cast first and was asked who he would like to play the part, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
'and he said me. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
'I mean, I suppose, presumably... I wouldn't know...' | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
A bit of Pinot. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
For Caine, hand-picked for the role by Olivier himself, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
it was validation that he was a real actor, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
helping produce perhaps his best performance. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
In countless studies, or propped up in the loft basket like a rag doll. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
Which do you fancy - early Agatha Christie or vintage SS Van Dine? | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
For Christ's sake, Andrew, you're talking of murder. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
Of killing a real man! Don't you understand? | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
In both the script and the choice of actors, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Sleuth got under the skin of class attitudes. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
I've got one in my... | 0:30:49 | 0:30:50 | |
And the backgrounds of Caine and Olivier | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
reflected this theme perfectly. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
There is a tremendous class battle which goes on the entire time, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
during the, sort of, mental struggles between Andrew Wyke | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
and the character that I play, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
and I find this extremely interesting, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
not just from the old, "What about the workers?" | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
point of view, but the tremendous difference in frames of mind. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
But having Laurence Olivier playing Andrew Wyke | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
must be fair competition for you. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
Is there a danger of being overshadowed by him? | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
It's not something you worry about, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
and especially in a two-man piece. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
There must eventually come a time when you get your own, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:34 | |
sort of, turn, and then, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
it's very nice to have someone like Lord Olivier off-camera. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
And now she's in love with me. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:44 | |
And that's what you can't forgive, isn't it? | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
And after me, there'll be others. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
Are you going to kill them, too? | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
You're mad! You're a bloody madman. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
Whatever Olivier's legendary status, in Sleuth, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
the quality of performance between the two leads was evenly matched. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
Olivier was a giant of the stage, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
but it was Caine that had mastered acting in popular film. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
The achievement of the two men was recognised | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
when they were both nominated for an Oscar in the same category - | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
Best Actor in a Leading Role. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
Unfortunately, they were pipped to the post | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
by Marlon Brando's Godfather. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
-It's an invasion of privacy. -LAUGHTER | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
The same year, RSC great Ben Kingsley finally got a role in a BBC drama, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
as a dodgy Indian taxi driver, in the brilliantly depressing | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
-Play For Today episode Hard Labour. -..Can't you? | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
-Well, I suppose so, I suppose Chris could... -£50, you're talking? | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
-Could be done on £200. -200? | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
What, you said 50! | 0:32:54 | 0:32:55 | |
Sometimes 50. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
Sometimes 100, £150, £200. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
I think it's rotten. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:02 | |
It is rotten. It's a rotten business. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
Well, anyway, I want the cheap one. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
This drama was a far cry from Shakespeare. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
Here, Kingsley was required to give a much more naturalistic performance. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
She can get sick, you know? | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
She can have that one, and get sick, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:20 | |
what are you going to think about me? | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
It's got nothing to do with you. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
It doesn't matter what happens to me afterwards. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
None of your business. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:27 | |
You are asking me to talk to this fellow, see this man? | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
You're making it my business. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
If it's not my business, you can go have baby... | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
The Indian side of Kingsley's heritage would be | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
sidelined for some time after this production. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
It was a relatively minor role, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
but in his next part, that same year, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
he would finally become a lord like Olivier - | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
Lord Uplandtowers. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
Miss Barbara. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
Lord Uplandtowers. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
You'll not deny me a turn at the dance, I hope? | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
-With pleasure, I'll not, sir. -POLITE APPLAUSE | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
By the mid-'70s, our knights-to-be were finally building momentum. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:16 | |
In 1976, it was Derek Jacobi's chance at glory. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
He would draw on his classical stage skills | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
and television experience to play the lead role in "I, Claudius". | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
Oh, come, Pollio, that's not fair... | 0:34:38 | 0:34:39 | |
The stammer that had seen him through Strawman now went stellar. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
Which of us would you rather read? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:45 | |
Well, it... | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
it d-d-depends... | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
Intelligent but cowardly. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:50 | |
No, I mean, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
it d-depends on what I'm r-reading for. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
For beauty of language, I would read Livy, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
and f-for interpretation of f-f-fact, I would read P-P-Pollio. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:05 | |
Now you please neither of us, and that's always a mistake. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
I w-wasn't trying to please, just to t-t-tell the truth. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
It may be a seminal moment in TV drama, but it's sheer theatre. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
TV just doesn't get more thespian than this. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
It was Jacobi's career-defining role, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
and the one that made his name in the public eye, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
winning him a Bafta. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:27 | |
Dare I hope that you are b-better? | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
And it wasn't only Jacobi having his moment. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
I've never really been ill. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
John Hurt was there, too, as the crazed Emperor Caligula. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
I've been undergoing a metamorphosis. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
Was it p-p-painful? | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
It was like a birth in which the mother delivers herself. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:55 | |
Oh, yes. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
Oh, that m-m-must have been p-p-painful... | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
Both actors gave brilliant performances with different styles. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
While Jacobi's heart remained on the stage, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
Hurt played the unpredictable emperor more cinematically. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
..which has come over you. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
Isn't it obvious? | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
Their approaches would be reflected in their future careers. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
You've b-b-become a God. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
Cassius, order the detachments and raise the levies... | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
But when given the chance, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
Hurt could chew the scenery with the best of them. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
I go to forge, in the white-hot fires of war, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:41 | |
a new and tempered spirit of Rome that will last 1,000 years! | 0:36:41 | 0:36:46 | |
With I, Claudius, historical dramas reached new heights of popularity. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:54 | |
Now one of the most famous classical actors in Britain, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
Jacobi got the chance to bring his first love, Shakespeare, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
into the nation's homes. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
In 1978, he played Richard II in a theatrical studio performance. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
Face to face, and frowning brow to brow, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
ourselves will hear the accuser and the accused freely speak... | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
This was his home turf, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:18 | |
and playing opposite him was stage and screen legend John Gielgud, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:23 | |
but Jacobi held his own with one of the theatre's greats. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
Since thou dost seek to kill my name in me, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
I mock my name, great King, to flatter thee. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
Should dying men flatter with those that live? | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
No, no, men living flatter those that die. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
Thou, now dying, say'st thou flatterest me? | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Oh, no! Thou diest, though I the sicker be. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
-I am in health. -HE SNIFFS | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
I breathe and see thee ill. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
Now, he that made me knows I see thee ill. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
Ill in myself to see, and in thee, seeing ill. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
Thy deathbed is no lesser than thy land, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
wherein thou liest in reputation sick. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
They were the highlight of a series that dramatised all 36 of | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
Shakespeare's First Folio works, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
and took seven years to finish. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
As the '70s were coming to a close, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
most of our future knights were well on their way to stardom, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
and TV drama was once again changing. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
The latest video technology would shape the course of things to come. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
In 1978, The Mayor Of Casterbridge was shot entirely on | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
a new breed of portable video cameras. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
The use of this lightweight equipment broke drama out of the studio, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
and ended the need to use costly film for outside shots. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
It revolutionised the possibilities for drama on television. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
Starring Alan Bates, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
Thomas Hardy's classic novel was adapted by Dennis Potter, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
a writer who had a central role in developing TV drama | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
as its own art form. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
For Potter, television was his first language, rather than theatre. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
The Mayor Of Casterbridge's bleak tale of a man | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
who sells his own wife and daughter at a country fair | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
provided Bates with a meaty title role | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
as the lonely, unsympathetic mayor with the dark past. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
It was the challenge of a lifetime for the actor. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
I can't abide the streets | 0:39:42 | 0:39:43 | |
of Casterbridge any more. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
I've had my fill. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:46 | |
I came here with nothing but my basket and my knife | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
and, well, that's how I want to go. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
You can't. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
I'll follow my own ways... | 0:39:55 | 0:39:56 | |
..and then you can follow yours. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:00 | |
For Bates, usually cast with one eye on his good looks, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
this was a change in tone and his favourite screen role. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
The visual quality of the series might have been lower than film, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
as video technology was still in its infancy... | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
What is it you want? | 0:40:18 | 0:40:19 | |
..but this was a point from which TV drama would never look back. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
The new generation were gradually making television their own. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
-How can you be so sure that I won't run away? -Well, where would you go? | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
After this success of I, Claudius, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
John Hurt was particularly on the rise. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
Oh, don't imagine that I've admitted anything here today. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
I've listened. That's all. I've listened. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
Because, Porfiry Petrovic, you're a very entertaining fellow. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
As well as playing Raskolnikov in Crime And Punishment - | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
another upmarket historical production - | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
Hurt now had movie roles that would make him | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
a successful character actor. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
In Alien, he wasn't the star, but stole the scene in an iconic moment. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
Hurt had only taken the role at a day's notice, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
after the original actor, John Finch, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
fell seriously ill on the first day of filming. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
The first thing I am going to do | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
when I get back is to get some decent food. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
The scene was largely improvised | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
and used a naturalistic style rare in sci-fi. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
It suited Hurt's style of acting perfectly. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
Right now, I'm thinking food. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
Now you know what it's made of. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
I don't want to talk about what it's made of. I'm eating this. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
COUGHING | 0:41:56 | 0:41:57 | |
What's the matter? The food ain't that bad, baby. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
-HE RETCHES -Are you choking? -What's wrong? | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
Nobody except him knew what was coming next. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
And the rest is cinema history. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
Then, in 1980, alongside John Gielgud and Anthony Hopkins, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
he played perhaps his most challenging role yet, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
in heavy prosthetic make-up, as John Merrick, the Elephant Man. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
It was directed by David Lynch and produced by the unlikely | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
figure of Mel Brooks, who wanted to break into serious drama. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
May I introduce you to Mr Carr-Gomm? | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
Mr Carr-Gomm, this is John Merrick. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
Hello. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
My name is John Merrick. Pleased to meet you. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
Despite being unrecognisable, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
Hurt's powerful performance led to him being nominated for an Oscar. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
Our knights may have had solid | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
and critically acclaimed careers for some 20 years by this time, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
but true fame and stardom came late on for several of them. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
Not least Nigel Hawthorne. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
By 1979, Hawthorne had been paying his dues for a long time. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
Unlike the other knights, he had struggled with secondary | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
roles as a jobbing actor, never quite finding his niche. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
All that suddenly changed in his 50s, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
when he landed a lead role in the hit series Yes, Minister. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
Ah, Minister, allow me to present Sir Humphrey Appleby, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
permanent undersecretary of state and head of the DAA. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
Hello, Sir Humphrey. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
-Hello and welcome. -Thank you, Sir Humphrey. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
I believe you know each other? | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
Yes, we did cross swords when the minister gave me a grilling | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
over the estimates in the Public Accounts Committee. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
I wouldn't say that. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:50 | |
You asked all the questions I hoped nobody would ask. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
Opposition's about asking awkward questions. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
And government is about not answering them. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:57 | |
-Well, you answered all mine anyway. -I'm glad you thought so, Minister. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
Hawthorne made his role so funny by playing it absolutely straight. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
Who else is in this department? | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
Well, briefly, Sir, I am the permanent undersecretary of state, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
known as the Permanent Secretary. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
Woolley here is your principal private secretary. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
I too have a principal private secretary | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
and he is the principal private secretary | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
to the Permanent Secretary. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:18 | |
Directly responsible to me are ten deputy secondaries, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:22 | |
87 undersecretaries and 219 assistant secretaries. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
Directly responsible to the principal private secretaries | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
are plain private secretaries | 0:44:28 | 0:44:29 | |
and the Prime Minister will be appointing | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
two Parliamentary undersecretaries and you will be appointing | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
your own Parliamentary private secretary. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
Can they all type? | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
None of us can type, Minister. Mrs Mackay types. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
She's the secretary. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:45 | |
A product of the times, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
Yes, Minister was said to be Margaret Thatcher's favourite programme. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
And Hawthorne was rewarded with no less than four Baftas | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
for playing Sir Humphrey, over fellow cast member Paul Eddington. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
For Ben Kingsley, too, true fame and recognition came relatively late. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:07 | |
He had established a high-profile stage career as a leading light | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
of the Royal Shakespeare Company. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
But in 1982, he took on the role that made him a superstar, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
as the main character in Richard Attenborough's epic Gandhi. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
Pappu. Pappu, please don't do it. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
What do you want me not to do? | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
Not to meet with Mr Jinnah? | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
Gandhi was an epic production, even for cinema, and a world apart | 0:45:32 | 0:45:36 | |
from the television and stage work Ben Kingsley was used to. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
But on screen, Kingsley was transformed in an incredible | 0:45:39 | 0:45:45 | |
performance as the father of India. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
You send fear into the hearts of your brothers. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
That is not the India I want. Stop it. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
For God's sake, stop it. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
It was, perhaps, some vindication for the actor, who had been forced | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
to change his real name from Krishna Bhanji early in his career, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
as his Anglo-Indian heritage | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
threatened to limit his opportunities. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
It's a great journey, | 0:46:11 | 0:46:12 | |
because I do go from early to middle 30s to his death at 79 - | 0:46:12 | 0:46:18 | |
to his assassination at 79, of course, it wasn't an actual death - | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
and, er, examine the faith, the strength, the anger, the capacity | 0:46:22 | 0:46:29 | |
to forgive, the articulacy, the way he used to mobilise his language. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
The script is very faithful to Gandhi. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
But Kingsley wasn't the only one of the knights | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
to audition for the role of India's hero. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
You'd have done very well if you'd accepted a deal for Gandhi, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
wouldn't you? You turned down the part? | 0:46:48 | 0:46:49 | |
No, I didn't turn it down, that was subject to a make-up test, actually, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
and there is no way I could look like an Indian amongst Indians. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
Dickie Attenborough and I looked at each other and said, | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
"This isn't possible," | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
I looked rather like a Welsh rugby player with a nappy on, you know? | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
Nor was it just John Hurt after Kingsley's job. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
-You are a sunny natured Celt, aren't you? -All the Celts are. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
-With our short legs and long bodies. -Yes. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
Is that the reason you turned down the part of Gandhi? | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
AUDIENCE LAUGHS | 0:47:18 | 0:47:19 | |
Thereby lies a tale. Actually, that is absolutely true. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
With all due respect to Ben Kingsley, Attenborough did | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
offer me the part and I phoned my father up and I said, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
"He's offered me Gandhi," and he said, "It's a comedy, is it?" | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
He said, "You can't play Gandhi." I mean, look at me. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
But, no, I had to... Actually, it was a big mistake. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
I'm glad somebody else did it. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
Thankfully, in the end, it was Kingsley who got the part, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
winning an Oscar and recognition as one of Britain's finest actors. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
By this time, television drama had greatly enlarged its horizons. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Productions like foreign legion romp Beau Geste were confidently | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
showcasing a more cinematic film-making savvy. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
But while TV may have left the theatre behind, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
that didn't mean it entirely abandoned some of the things | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
theatre can be particularly good at, | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
such as making the serious seem comic and the comic serious. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
Enter an actor and writer with roots in both mediums, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
who would create a more intimate language for TV drama - Alan Bennett. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
Bennett's 1983 drama An Englishman Abroad stars | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
Alan Bates as the notorious Cambridge spy and defector, Guy Burgess. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:42 | |
It was based on the story of a real-life encounter involving | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
Burgess in the 1950s, when he was living out his days | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
as a washed-up alcoholic in dank, suburban Moscow. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:51 | |
In the opening scene, the exiled spy is found watching a Shakespeare play | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
in the theatre, drunk and bored rigid. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
But this little slice of British life in an alien Russia briefly transports | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
him home and encourages him to seek out the company of one of the actors. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
Filming in Soviet Russia in the '80s was still tricky, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
so instead, the exteriors were shot in freezing old Dundee and Glasgow. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:22 | |
If you want to come around and be sick, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
you might at least save it for the end of the performance. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
Oh, Pears soap. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
-Who are you? And who is that boy outside? -Boy? Outside? | 0:49:33 | 0:49:38 | |
The role offered Bates the kind of complicated character | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
he wasn't finding in the cinema. And it won him a Bafta. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
Could I have one of these? | 0:49:47 | 0:49:48 | |
I love your frock. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
-You're very rude. Are you from the embassy? -Not exactly. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:59 | |
Bates made his slippery spy character charming enough to | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
win over even Cold War warriors. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
Well, why don't we tell him you're here? He's only down the corridor. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
All in good time. The question is, you see, are we as welcome as ever? | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
I know your face. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:15 | |
Interestingly, this version of Burgess's defection as comic farce | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
was directed by Hollywood Oscar winner John Schlesinger. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
TV drama was no longer the poor cousin. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
Then, in 1986, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
television drama experienced one of its defining moments. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:40 | |
The Singing Detective, written by Dennis Potter. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:46 | |
Recently returned from Hollywood, Potter drew on his own life | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
for inspiration to create a drama that could only have been made on TV. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
In the lead role was Michael Gambon. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
Gambon plays a bed-ridden writer with a terrible skin | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
and joint disease that Potter himself suffered from. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
Don't you go and get any complications | 0:51:08 | 0:51:09 | |
or anything silly like that. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
You're doing so well. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:12 | |
Drink plenty of water, you hear? | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
Now, let's see what's going on here. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
In a surreal series of fever-induced fantasies, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
he becomes a detective with his own mystery to solve. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
Too many people were beginning to ask the same question, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
and it wasn't because they wanted to polish my shoes for me. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:39 | |
It was a bold and brilliant drama, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
an unconventional story for an unconventional leading man. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
-MIMING -# ..You're sure of a big surprise | 0:51:45 | 0:51:46 | |
# If you go down in the woods today... | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
Short on film, the style of the series was neither theatrical | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
nor cinematic, but something more unique. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
Gambon's scenes often switch between reality and fantasy | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
without warning, bursting into song, as his character's mind unravels. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
-Christ, the warbler. -Quick, use the shooter. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
With The Singing Detective, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:13 | |
television proved it could make original works | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
every bit as good as those in film and theatre. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
By the late '80s, our knights-to-be were at the top of their game. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
And in 1987, Michael Caine, by now an Oscar winner, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
held a masterclass in the art of film acting. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:39 | |
It's a delicate operation. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
It's like, I regard the theatre as an operation with a scalpel. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
I think movie acting is an operation with a laser, | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
because it's so tiny and it's so small that half the time, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
people will say, I don't know what you're doing. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
And you say, wait till you see the rushes. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
The greatest piece of advice I can give to someone who wants to | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
act in movies is to listen and react, but, also, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
when you get really close to the camera, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
if some directors go in for the massive close-up, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
the thing that people never do in real life is they don't say, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:20 | |
"I don't want to go out," | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
"I'll have the egg and chips," you know, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
but you will see actors doing that all the time, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
and so when you get in here, that doesn't look so obvious | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
until you get in here, you know? | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
You've got to...just be. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:40 | |
There is no-one here. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
It's just you and me. You'll be standing there. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
And there isn't even a camera. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
Caine had proved himself not just a powerful actor, but a film star. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:54 | |
He had led his generation, | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
but his peers hadn't all kept pace with his success. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
Ian McKellan wasn't convinced they were anything special. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
He had almost given up on fame and movie stardom. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
I don't, as I now approach my 50s, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
and the '90s, imagine that I will ever get fully involved in film. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:14 | |
I'll end up being, you know, an honourable character actor, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
like Sir John or other people. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
Now you are the senior generation, Ian, what do you feel that means? | 0:54:19 | 0:54:24 | |
Well, that we are a pretty poor lot, really. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
I mean, there are a lot of us, but I don't see any giants, | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
and I think giants are not just made by publicity machines or by | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
governments deciding to knight anyone, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
but, apart from Dame Judi Dench, | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
there is no-one of my generation that has been given the accolade. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
But McKellen didst protest too much. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
The following year, he was nominated for a knighthood | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
and dubbed Sir Ian for services to the performing arts. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
He also managed to squeeze in a few films, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
becoming a megastar as the wizard Gandalf in Lord Of The Rings. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:07 | |
Anthony Hopkins, | 0:55:07 | 0:55:08 | |
the portrayal of a terrifying Hannibal Lecter won him an Oscar. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
And a knighthood followed in 1993. He decided to stay in LA. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:17 | |
Derek Jacobi topped off his theatre career with a knighthood in 1994. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:25 | |
He later even found time to make the sitcom Vicious, with his friend | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
Sir Ian, sending themselves up as a couple of struggling old actors. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
1998 was Michael Gambon's turn to become a sir. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
He continued to work across theatre, TV | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
and film in many critically acclaimed roles. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
He also played another wizard, Dumbledore, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
in the Harry Potter films. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:47 | |
The following year, Nigel Hawthorne won a knighthood. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
More than just a funny man, he was nominated for an Oscar | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
in The Madness Of King George, and died in 2001. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:00 | |
Sir Maurice Micklewhite, Michael Caine, for services to drama. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
Michael Caine went on to win another Oscar, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
before becoming Sir Maurice Micklewhite in 2000, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
and cementing his legendary status for a later generation | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
in Christopher Nolan's Batman films. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
2002 was Ben Kingsley's time for a well-earned knighthood. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
As an Oscar winner, he's combined making Hollywood blockbusters like | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
Iron Man 3 with highly acclaimed lower-budget films like Sexy Beast. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:35 | |
Always determined to follow his own path, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
Alan Bates mixed high-profile roles like Claudius in the film version | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
of Hamlet with less prominent appearances in television dramas. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:48 | |
He was knighted in 2003 and died later that year. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
In 2015, John Hurt finally became a knight. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
A scene stealer in movies for decades, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
he was twice Oscar-nominated, | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
won two Golden globes and four Baftas, and played dozens of roles, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
including, of course, a wizard. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
They were a generation of world-class talent that could only have | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
emerged in Britain. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:16 | |
A unique type of performer with theatrical prowess that | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
translated into television and film. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
They followed their own path, dedicating decades to their craft, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:29 | |
and reached the very top of their profession. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
And like the best wine, they have aged well. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:36 | |
They command the biggest performances as a very British kind of export. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:41 | |
Knights of stage and screen. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
# I play this part... | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
# ..I can't For to live | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
# I have to give | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
# The performance | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
# Of | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
# My | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
# Life. # | 0:58:09 | 0:58:15 |