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Welcome to the Roundhouse.

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This is our foyer. Box office over there.

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Cloakrooms, cafe. Follow me up to the Main Space.

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So here we are at the entrance to the Main Space.

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Just on my left-hand side here's a history of the Roundhouse,

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from all the great performances

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to the days going back to an engine maintenance shed.

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Over the other end, we have bars,

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generally a place where the audience can mingle

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and wait until they go and see the show.

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-NEWSREEL:

-'Providing the music, a group which features

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'a range of unusual sound effects, the Pink Floyd.'

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It was a place that you went when you needed a place to go to.

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Mad happenings of different natures and type

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of one thing or another would take place.

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A place for mavericks, it was for outsiders.

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It was for, really, pioneers of theatre, it was for revolutionaries.

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One of those places where any attempt to impose a logic and order

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and reason on it is doomed to failure.

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# One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small

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# And the ones that mother gives you

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# Don't do anything at all

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# Go ask Alice

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# When she's ten feet tall

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# And if you go chasing rabbits

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# And you know you're going to fall... #

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Perhaps this is the nearest view that you'll get

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of the outside of the Roundhouse.

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Most of the other views are obscured by high-rise flats

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and filthy hoardings and ruined cars.

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But it gives you some idea of the shape of the building.

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It reminds me of a slowly subsiding Albert Hall,

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or a bullring, or a grubby pantheon.

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What I've sort of learned is the Roundhouse has a resistance

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to being managed and to being changed.

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When I got to the Roundhouse, it was in danger, yet again,

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as it was kind of, you know, every Tuesday and Thursday, of closing.

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I can never drive past the Roundhouse without feeling

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a little proprietorial about it. I mean, yeah, we did that.

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London's Roundhouse also began life as an experimental project,

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when playwright Arnold Wesker turned a Victorian engine shed

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into a '60s theatre space.

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Since audience is our great concern,

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we'll have a special department of at least three strong,

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but we'll make sure people in the area, and even outside London,

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know of all the facilities that can be used.

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And if they use these facilities, then we hope,

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we're pretty certain, in fact, this will create an atmosphere,

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the kind of atmosphere that will make the whole of the Roundhouse

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hum from morning till night.

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Who knows whether a project as radical and as ambitious

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as this will ever get off the ground?

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One does it on the basis of personal enthusiasm and belief.

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# Gonna have a funky good time

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# A-ha

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# We're gonna have a funky good time... #

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I can't hear ya.

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# We're gonna have a funky good time

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# We're gonna have a funky good time... #

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Take a bow.

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# We're gonna take you higher... #

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Say it again, say it again, say it again.

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-# Gonna take you higher

-High

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# Higher

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-# Gonna have a funky good time

-Yeah

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# Gonna have a funky good time A-huh

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# Gonna have a funky good time All right

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# Gonna have a funky good time

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# Gonna take you higher

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-# Gonna take you higher

-Higher. #

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I feel good.

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Everybody feel good!

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CHEERING

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# Don't have any more, Mrs Moore

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# Mrs Moore, please don't have any more

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# The more you have, the more you want, they say

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# And enough is as good as a feast any day

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# If you have any more, Mrs Moore

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# You'll have to take the house next door

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# They're all right when they're here

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# But take my advice

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# Don't have any more, Mrs Moore... #

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Gilbey's decided to sell their estates in Camden.

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They were bought by a garment and property tycoon, Louis Mintz.

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The Roundhouse came as part of the estates.

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Mintz had no immediate plans for the giant shed,

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and it came to Wesker's attention that it was empty.

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Mintz was a self-made man

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from the same poor East End background as Wesker.

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He was a socialist, and was sympathetic to Wesker's plans.

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Wesker approach Mintz, who offered him a lease

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on the building to be the home of Centre 42,

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the name Wesker had given to his project.

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Mintz remained on the board of a newly-formed trust.

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Without that act of generosity,

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the story of the Roundhouse may never have happened.

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So Wesker had a building, now he had to find the funds.

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We went to look at it and my immediate response was,

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no, this is not what we had in mind.

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I suppose we had in mind some sort of vast, rectangular building.

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And this round...

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And it was quite...

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And we went away.

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I think 24 hours later, it hit me.

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And I thought, that's crazy to have turned down,

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this is a wonderful place.

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How are you going to turn it into a theatre and an arts centre?

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Well, roughly it will be divided into two areas.

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This is a model, an early-stage model -

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remember we didn't have enough money to go into detailed plans.

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But roughly there will be two areas.

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One in the centre of these pillars,

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which will be the theatre concert hall area,

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and there'll be a wall around the pillars,

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which will give you another area on the outside.

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-NEWSREEL:

-What price Jerusalem?

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For Arnold Wesker, the founder of Centre 42,

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the price is already high.

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He's devoted six years of his life -

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time, his critics argue, which should have been spent

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exclusively on improving his craft as a playwright -

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on creating an organisation to break down the old stubborn barriers

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between the artist and the community.

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The organisation takes its title from Resolution 42, which Wesker

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and his friends forced through the 1960 Trades Union Congress.

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This called on Congress to ensure a greater participation

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by the trade union movement in all cultural activities.

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It was passed against the recommendation of the General Council.

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Perhaps this explains the disappointing response by the movement.

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The attitude of George Woodcock,

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the TUC's general secretary, towards Centre 42 is crucial.

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It's a good idea, I think it will eventually succeed,

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but it's having a certain amount of teething problems.

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Perhaps those who are running it -

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and this may be the fault of a separate organisation -

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don't always understand the trade unions,

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which are very conservative bodies.

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And there is a tendency for them to be ambitious,

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too expensive, at any rate.

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The unions are very careful of their money and they look with

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a bit of suspicion on Centre 42 because of its extravagance.

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And then there is, naturally coming from trade unionists,

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a suspicion that they are a bit highfalutin, precious, that...

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This is a natural reaction of unions, though they...

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even those interested in art,

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they don't really become very modern about it.

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Their idea of what constitutes the kind of art that working people want

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is perhaps earlier this century than - what's the word I want?

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Avant-garde.

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Now, five years have passed since we started campaigning for 42.

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It was three years ago that we were first shown this extraordinary building

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and 18 months ago since we launched the campaign to raise funds.

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From here, in front of Harold Wilson, Lord Harewood, Jennie Lee,

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James Callaghan and the whole paraphernalia of the state.

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It seems to be considered in this country

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an admirable thing to make the artist sweat and lose all joy

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before he's given what he wants,

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as though the job of being an artist were not sweat enough.

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And when he says, only my work is important,

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and he does nothing else and stays at homecoming he is attacked

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for being haughty. But when he steps outside

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and tries to do something more, he's attacked for being presumptuous.

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The price he has to pay for any Jerusalem is high.

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The state, the community, on the other hand, pays little.

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It stands back and does nothing.

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And cynicism is inevitable.

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Now, when a state

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makes its artists cynics,

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I think that's unforgivable.

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Providing the music, a group which features a range of unusual

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sound effects, The Pink Floyd.

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BAND PLAYS FREEFORM INSTRUMENTAL

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Well, it was purely accidental at first.

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-Fantastic, the best thing.

-We were launching an underground newspaper,

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International Times, in October '66

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and we literally just wanted a place for a launch party.

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And the company that published the underground paper

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was called Love Books Ltd.

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And the accountant for that company, Michael Henshaw,

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was also the accountant for Centre 42,

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and also personally Arnold Wesker's accountant.

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So Michael actually had the keys.

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So he said, "It's OK, I know a place.

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"No-one's using it.

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So he probably did call Arnold, and as far as I understand,

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Arnold thought it was just like a little cocktail party

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to launch a book or magazine, or such a thing,

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but in fact, 3,000 people came here.

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And Arnold didn't.

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I mean, it was purely accidental.

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I'd never even been in the place before. I mean, I'd seen it

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from the road and it hadn't been used for years.

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PINK FLOYD INSTRUMENTAL CONTINUES

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We had a fancy-dress competition.

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Marianne Faithfull won that, cos she wore the...

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It was for the shortest and barest, and she came as a nun.

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Paul was dressed as an arrow, Paul McCartney

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and Tony O'Neill was there with Monica Vitti.

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He was filming... Blow Up, could it have been?

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I mean, it was a very '60s, very '60s...

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Of course, Pink Floyd giving their first major concert.

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When you actually came to the Roundhouse for that first event,

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the launch of the International Times,

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what was the Roundhouse actually like? I've heard rumours

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that it was rat infested, dirty and the power supply was

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-batteries from cars and things like that?

-Yeah, well, in terms of power,

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it was a problem for the bands

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because it was just wired as a warehouse.

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This is '66 and we were talking about little underground bands -

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they didn't have generators or anything -

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so we literally used whatever was here. The place was filthy.

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I mean, the dirt on the floor must have been a foot thick

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and there were bits of twisted metal sticking up -

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not the actual railway part,

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but the rails had been taken out, but the housing I guess for buffers

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or things like that, what other construction they had in here.

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I mean, it was really quite dangerous.

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There were two toilets,

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neither of which had a seat

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and they very quickly -

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with 3,000 people, they very quickly overflowed

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and a huge lake came outside.

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We had to take the doors off and use them as duck boards and we had a

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couple of roadies standing in front so no-one would look at the ladies.

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You know, so... I mean, it was very, very primitive.

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The whole place was... Well, it had been used as Gilbey's Gin

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as a bonded warehouse, so it had an enormous balcony

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running all the way round. Which was apparently unsafe,

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so we did try and stop people getting up there,

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but of course some people did.

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And we had one doctor, who was also a publisher - Stuart Montgomery.

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But at least we had, just in case somebody had a bad trip or something.

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People were still trying to get in at 2.00, 2.30 in the morning.

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-No!

-At the top, at least in the beginning,

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we were handing out sugar cubes.

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But there was actually no acid in them,

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but some people took it, they used it as an excuse to really trip out.

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MUSIC: Astronomy Domine by Pink Floyd

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# The light between the blue you once knew

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# Floating down the sound resounds around the icy waters underground

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# Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda and Titania

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# Neptune, Titan, stars can frighten

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# Wooooooo... #

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What we do now is all about working with young people and putting on

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shows that are kind of...

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I was going to ask you that - how much of the old, as it were,

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tradition, have you kept up?

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It's absolutely the heart and core of who we are,

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it's about enabling young people to, through their creativity,

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to find a way forward in life.

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So it's about questioning, it's about looking at things,

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it's about how you write something, how you think about something.

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So the things that are really popular with young people here

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are spoken-word poetry - links back. That really kind of came out of

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those amazing Attila the Stockbrokers and all those kinds of things.

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-Right, right, yeah.

-Music, of course.

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Music is the international kind of communication and

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Circus, which is an art form where you don't have to have a language,

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-except physical language.

-Right, right, yeah.

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And we do a lot of radio and broadcasting,

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so it's engaging people in the kind of new digital platforms as well.

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This is a Congress On The Dialectics Of Liberation which Ginsberg's at.

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Everyone sitting here,

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just telling everyone how the ship is going down, it's sinking.

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There's nothing we can do. There is no autonomy today.

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He has this autonomy, he has his own way of

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acting out what has to be acted out

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and it's quite different from everyone else.

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Now, his bit is he's gone to India mainly

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and what he talks about is psycho politics, that's the main thing.

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He's not so much a poet any more, he's a psycho politician.

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I mean, not everything was great, but in other cases, you know,

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that was something like the Dialectics Of Liberation Conference

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which was held here, which also really helped to establish

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this place as a centre for countercultural ideas.

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Their civilisation, as they call it,

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stems from the fact that they oppressed other peoples

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and the oppression of other people allowed them a certain luxury

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at the expense of those other people.

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The Black Power movement has been the catalyst

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for the bringing together of these young bloods.

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The real revolutionary proletariat, ready to fight

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by any means necessary for the liberation of our people.

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APPLAUSE

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Carmichael, you see, tried to pour shit all over the hippies

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the other day. He said, "Yeah, yeah, they're OK.

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"If they want to go out and stand and throw flowers in front

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"of the police whilst they're gunning us down, that's fine by me."

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And Ginsberg said, "Precisely, OK, we'll go and do that."

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..studies. He doesn't rap, he studies and keeps his mouth shut.

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Study, children, study.

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Study, study.

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Study. The gorilla must study.

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Stokely Carmichael, who came in the latter part of the '60s

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when he came to the Roundhouse

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to take part in an international conference, he was responsible

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also for bringing about the Black Power concert

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and the Black Power movement, which came into being.

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And their influences at that time,

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with all the American brothers who were coming over,

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helped to solidify what we were trying to do in the '60s.

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You have killed more people in two world wars

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than people have died from natural diseases.

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Are you civilised?

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You bunch of warmongering barbarians.

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I am somebody.

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I am somebody.

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We want Black Power.

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We want Black Power. We want Black Power.

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-We want Black Power.

-I am somebody.

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-# Say it loud!

-I'm black and I'm proud

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# Say it loud... #

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I think the idea of Black Power is very much a transcendence

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of the situation of violence. It's a production of

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a counter-violent situation, by which the white person would be

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helped to escape from the situation whereby he unknowingly,

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or unrecognisingly, inflicts violence on the black people.

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So it's a way of transcending the situation of violence

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through a dialectic counter-violence.

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Right, I'd like to introduce tonight's speakers to you.

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On my left, Ronald Laing, well-known psychoanalyst and writer.

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On my right, Stokely Carmichael, leader of Black Power,

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ex-chairman of SNCC.

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-CHEERING

-Hell, yeah!

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Next to Stokely is Allen Ginsberg, poet, who will open the meeting.

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On the extreme right is Emmett Grogan

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from a free autonomous group in San Francisco called the Diggers.

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I'll leave you to their mercy.

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'Allen Ginsberg at that time seemed like

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'a kind of old Testament prophet, like a kind of rock and roll figure.'

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He was bearded, charismatic.

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He wore this red shirt that had been

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hand-painted by Paul McCartney,

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and he was a poet in the sort of Blakeian sense,

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in the grand sense that poetry would change the world.

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And he was also an immaculate politician.

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He was superb at making contacts and mediating deals.

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So I think in the Roundhouse,

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the great moment arrives when he's sitting on this stage

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with Stokely Carmichael, who is doing a real Black Power rant.

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He's denouncing them as middle-class meddlers,

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sort of masturbating with the culture, all these people.

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They're all saying, "Yes, yes, yes, we are."

0:24:220:24:24

And there is Emmett Grogan there, who's a Digger from San Francisco,

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and also a film-maker, anarchist-dyed,

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and he's very knotted into himself and snarling.

0:24:320:24:35

And between these two is Ginsberg,

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who's trying to say there has to be another way.

0:24:380:24:40

We have very small community groups

0:24:400:24:45

in San Francisco and in New York beginning to leave the money wheel

0:24:450:24:50

and also beginning to leave the hallucination wheel of the media.

0:24:500:24:54

Beginning to form small co-operatives,

0:24:540:24:57

tribal units, societies of their own.

0:24:570:24:59

Beginning to share money or do without money

0:24:590:25:02

and then beginning to move in on authority

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with those weapons which have been called flower power.

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Mr Ginsberg, I don't know much about the hippie movement,

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but I would like to beg to differ with you.

0:25:120:25:14

I think the reason most of the hippies do that is because

0:25:140:25:18

they're confused little kids who have run away from home

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and will return to their culture within a year or two.

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CHEERING

0:25:230:25:25

There's no culture to return to.

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Before I can find my individual self, I must find by group culture.

0:25:260:25:30

-Obviously.

-But we don't have a viable group culture,

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so we're in the same boat in that sense.

0:25:340:25:36

# Please

0:25:360:25:39

# Open your eyes... #

0:25:440:25:49

"Please, open your eyes,

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"Please, try to realise,

0:25:520:25:54

"I found out today we're going wrong."

0:25:540:25:58

# Try

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# To realise

0:26:070:26:12

# I found out today

0:26:210:26:28

# We're going wrong

0:26:290:26:34

# We're going wrong

0:26:410:26:47

# Please

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# Open your mind... #

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There was one occasion I remember a young couple

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living in Notting Hill were busted by the police for dope.

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And the police said, you know,

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we're going to close down the Roundhouse

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and everything that it stands for.

0:27:300:27:32

They were going to do these drug busts.

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To the police it was a centre of dope smoking and everything.

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-Crime and inequity.

-Debauchery, yes.

-Yes.

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They really did feel threatened by it somehow.

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So the post-war generation,

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it was a sense of something completely different

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-to what their parents had?

-Yes, yes.

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I felt, you know, part of a community while I was in here.

0:27:550:27:59

The sort of bands that I liked were playing here and just...

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There wasn't anywhere else to go, really.

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I couldn't tell you very much about the majority of the concerts,

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whatever they were that I came to hear,

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it was just the sense of being here that was important.

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I probably heard some terrific bands,

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or could probably hear when terrific bands were playing

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but I can't remember very much about it.

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It was just nice, you'd bump into people that you knew

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and you could smoke a little dope and lie on the floor,

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and, in a most ideologically unsound way,

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pursue luckless young women until their patience gave out and so on.

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That's what you came here for, essentially.

0:28:320:28:35

It was pretty much that. I imagined it, or something along the lines,

0:28:350:28:38

without having ever having in my life been in

0:28:380:28:40

anything that could be described as a Persian market.

0:28:400:28:42

But I used to imagine that was roughly the sort of spirit of it.

0:28:420:28:46

There are only a small number of people who use cannabis

0:28:460:28:49

who are likely to be harmed by it.

0:28:490:28:52

And this happens because there is occasionally found

0:28:520:28:55

an idiosyncrasy to cannabis, which leads on to a short-lived madness,

0:28:550:29:00

a spell of madness,

0:29:000:29:01

which luckily clears up very quickly with the proper treatment.

0:29:010:29:05

# When logic and proportion

0:29:050:29:10

# Have fallen sloppy dead

0:29:100:29:14

# And the White Knight is talking backwards

0:29:140:29:17

# And the Red Queen's off with her head

0:29:170:29:22

# Remember what the dormouse said

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# Feed your head

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# Feed your head. #

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CHEERING

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From the mid-'60s onwards, you have what would have to be called

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an LSD consciousness, permeates the whole of

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the counter-culture side of British society.

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And you get it in the songs of the Pink Floyd, of Jimi Hendrix,

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of Marc Bolan - all these bands incorporate LSD-inspired imagery.

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The messages are multiplying.

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Even if LSD disappeared, and all the beards and all the hair disappeared,

0:30:320:30:36

I think the awareness would spread

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because the actual heavy-metal conditions are at a dead-end.

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PERCUSSION MUSIC

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When Arnold Wesker opened it in 1963, as Centre 42,

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an appeal was launched for £500,000.

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This failed, though,

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and the Roundhouse soon became the home of pop concerts.

0:32:140:32:17

Since then, though, the variety of activities and spectacles -

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ranging from children's paintings to the first performance

0:32:200:32:23

of Oh Calcutta - is greatly increased

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under the management of Wesker's original partner, George Hoskins.

0:32:260:32:29

What was your ideal programme for a year?

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The ideal programme... We, in fact, drew up ideal programmes -

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that is when Wesker was still interested,

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before he got discouraged by the length of time it was all taking.

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The ideal programme then was that you would have a vast range

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of activities. You'd have theatre right in the centre,

0:32:460:32:49

but all round it, you would have anything you could imagine.

0:32:490:32:53

For example, children's activities, you'd have social centre,

0:32:530:32:56

you'd have exhibitions, you'd make sure that people had to

0:32:560:32:59

walk through the exhibition to get to the theatre and so on.

0:32:590:33:02

And you'd have workshops,

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much on the lines they have down at the lock down there,

0:33:040:33:08

where artists, potters, painters, designers would have a place.

0:33:080:33:13

The whole thing would become a thriving community centre of

0:33:130:33:16

every kind of artistic activity that you can imagine there.

0:33:160:33:20

I wanted to forget everything which was written for human voice,

0:33:200:33:24

whether it's singing or whether it's speaking

0:33:240:33:27

or other noises and sounds,

0:33:270:33:30

and to see what possibilities are here.

0:33:300:33:33

Also, involving...

0:33:330:33:35

-Bredding or breathing is called?

-Breathing.

0:33:370:33:39

..also involving the breathing possibilities.

0:33:390:33:42

Really take the human body as a sound source.

0:33:420:33:45

What he's able to do,

0:33:450:33:47

and always to push it until the edge of the possibilities.

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LAUGHTER

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APPLAUSE

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I think we've all felt this urge for a long time now

0:35:320:35:35

to get out of the regular theatre buildings because they're

0:35:350:35:37

old-fashioned in a bad way, they don't serve their purpose today.

0:35:370:35:41

Peter, it was in 1968 that you first brought

0:35:410:35:43

your experimental work on the Tempest here.

0:35:430:35:45

How did you find the building in the first place when you first came

0:35:450:35:48

to do the Tempest here? What was it that you found attractive?

0:35:480:35:51

Oh, it was Arnold Wesker who found the building.

0:35:510:35:53

He was the one who had this strong feeling

0:35:530:35:56

that it could be used marvellously as a theatre.

0:35:560:35:59

When I first came into it,

0:35:590:36:01

I remember being really thrilled by the fact that here was a space,

0:36:010:36:06

just an undefined space.

0:36:060:36:08

Undefined space means, of course, anything can happen,

0:36:080:36:11

the space takes on its own definition depending on

0:36:110:36:14

what you do inside it, but it wasn't a cold space.

0:36:140:36:16

It wasn't a clinical space,

0:36:160:36:19

it was a space with its own beauty, its own feeling of life.

0:36:190:36:24

And that seemed to me to be perfect conditions for making theatre in.

0:36:240:36:28

When I got to the Roundhouse, it was in danger, yet again,

0:36:330:36:36

as it was kind of, you know, every Tuesday and Thursday, of closing.

0:36:360:36:40

There was a considerable debt

0:36:400:36:44

that had to be got rid of in some way,

0:36:440:36:47

and it wasn't functioning properly.

0:36:470:36:49

And the first thing I did was arrange with John Curd,

0:36:490:36:54

who was the rock promoter at the Roundhouse,

0:36:540:36:57

to do 40 rock concerts on the trot.

0:36:570:37:00

We paid off all our debt.

0:37:000:37:02

# He's in love with rock'n'roll Whoa

0:37:020:37:04

# He's in love with gettin' stoned Whoa

0:37:040:37:06

# He's in love with Janie Jones Whoa

0:37:060:37:08

# He don't like his boring job, no... #

0:37:080:37:11

# In the city there's a thousand things I want to say to you

0:37:150:37:19

# But whenever I approach you You make me look a fool... #

0:37:210:37:24

# Bind me, tie me Chain me to the wall

0:37:240:37:28

# I want to be a slave to you all

0:37:280:37:31

# Oh, bondage, up yours!

0:37:310:37:33

# Oh, bondage... #

0:37:330:37:35

I was just talking about all forms of bondage, you know, repression,

0:37:350:37:38

everything else. Sexual bondage stems from that, so it's all part

0:37:380:37:42

of the same thing, really. It all depends which way you interpret it.

0:37:420:37:45

So as much to do with social bondage as sexual bondage?

0:37:450:37:47

Yeah, it's to do with all bondage.

0:37:470:37:49

And it's bondage because it hasn't been played -

0:37:490:37:51

that proves it as well.

0:37:510:37:53

The event creates the venue, I think.

0:37:530:37:57

I think that's certainly my ultimate recollection of the Roundhouse.

0:37:570:38:00

It was transformed by what was happening there.

0:38:000:38:04

I seem to remember it was very difficult to get into.

0:38:060:38:09

I seem to remember the toilets were completely inadequate

0:38:090:38:11

and overflowing and you had to have planks,

0:38:110:38:14

so it was like a rock festival indoors,

0:38:140:38:17

which is fabulous, and I suppose it's very right for the times.

0:38:170:38:20

It was a place that you went

0:38:200:38:22

when you needed a place to go to.

0:38:220:38:25

And that in itself was actually something rather wonderful

0:38:250:38:29

because at various points, particularly in early 1977,

0:38:290:38:34

there were very few places that you could go to

0:38:340:38:37

in order to see the groups that you wanted to see.

0:38:370:38:40

What's the latest problem?

0:38:440:38:46

Well, I want to bring in the Glasgow Citizens before the end of the year.

0:38:460:38:51

It's a difficult time to bring them,

0:38:510:38:53

the last two months or the last two weeks of the financial year.

0:38:530:38:57

And we have a problem. We've talked about it a great deal,

0:38:570:39:01

we've come to a very good contractual agreement for all of us,

0:39:010:39:05

we have one sticking point,

0:39:050:39:07

and that is the price of the seats.

0:39:070:39:09

As you know, the Citizens would like to have a policy,

0:39:090:39:13

and already have in Glasgow,

0:39:130:39:16

that the theatre is accessible to everybody.

0:39:160:39:19

-They charge very little for their seats...

-Yeah.

0:39:190:39:22

..and we started talking turkey at 50p a seat.

0:39:220:39:25

HE GASPS

0:39:250:39:27

We have 580 seats.

0:39:270:39:30

And if we charged 50p for all of them, we would leave ourselves...

0:39:300:39:35

-That's ridiculous.

-Well, if we sell out, we'll need about £18,000.

0:39:350:39:40

But not at 50p a head.

0:39:400:39:42

I mean, that's fine for Glasgow,

0:39:420:39:44

but we're putting the My Fair Lady seats up to £10 on a Saturday night

0:39:440:39:49

because the public now just will pay that.

0:39:490:39:52

You know, Covent Garden's top is £21.

0:39:520:39:55

I'm asking you for 10% of the Covent Garden top, £2.

0:39:550:39:59

-You are asking me to charge £2?

-I think it ought to be.

0:39:590:40:02

In the past two years the policy which we pursue,

0:40:020:40:06

and which had the approval of subsidising bodies,

0:40:060:40:09

has become increasingly difficult because of the needs

0:40:090:40:12

of the theatres we bring in.

0:40:120:40:14

We have a cash-flow problem far greater than we've had previously,

0:40:180:40:22

or certainly in the time that I've been here.

0:40:220:40:25

We're up to the top of our overdraft limit.

0:40:250:40:28

By the end of next week, paying salaries will be a problem.

0:40:280:40:31

If it closes, then it's not for me to say whether London needs it,

0:40:310:40:35

but I don't think anyone else can provide what we provide.

0:40:350:40:38

Our auditorium is very special

0:40:380:40:39

and there are certain shows that can ONLY come in here.

0:40:390:40:42

The kind of art working people want is perhaps earlier this century

0:41:260:41:30

than... What's the word I want? Avant-garde.

0:41:300:41:33

I think being in debt is one of the most oppressive aspects of 42.

0:41:440:41:50

One person in particular, who has guaranteed

0:41:500:41:53

the bulk of our overdraft, whom I have nightmares about.

0:41:530:41:58

And the GLC also leaves the legacy of the Roundhouse.

0:42:030:42:07

When it opens, it will be the best-equipped and most prestigious

0:42:070:42:11

arts centre in Europe.

0:42:110:42:13

Finally, I suppose,

0:42:170:42:19

the sneers and derision and hostility,

0:42:190:42:23

the idea of 42 has excited, have sunk home.

0:42:230:42:29

Perhaps some of the joy is taken out of the whole project.

0:42:290:42:35

Who do you blame the financial difficulties on, whose fault is it?

0:42:390:42:42

I don't blame the difficulties on anybody.

0:42:420:42:45

So the whole thing will become a thriving community centre

0:42:470:42:50

of every kind of artistic activity that you can imagine there.

0:42:500:42:53

# You and the girls on your street

0:43:200:43:22

# Love to play with Polly Cos she's so sweet

0:43:220:43:25

-# Polly Pocket

-Polly Pocket

0:43:250:43:27

-# Polly Pocket

-Polly Pocket. #

0:43:270:43:28

Polly Pocket play cases, each sold separately. New from Mattel.

0:43:280:43:33

I was a toymaker,

0:43:330:43:35

and a guy that we worked with

0:43:350:43:39

came in one day who was an inventor and such.

0:43:390:43:42

He came in and, as a sort of afterthought,

0:43:420:43:46

he produced a little wooden box

0:43:460:43:48

and he said, "I don't know whether this is of any interest at all."

0:43:480:43:52

He said, "I made it for my daughter six years ago and, you know,

0:43:520:43:57

"but I've always rather liked it."

0:43:570:43:59

And when I saw it, I didn't know what to say.

0:43:590:44:02

It was a tiny little doll about 1.5cm tall,

0:44:020:44:06

painted, perfectly decorated.

0:44:060:44:09

# Polly Pocket's so small, you can take her anywhere. #

0:44:090:44:14

They were a beautifully engineered little doll,

0:44:140:44:18

which bent at the waist and whose arms could move and various things.

0:44:180:44:23

And one of the people in the room said,

0:44:230:44:28

"That's Polly Pocket," so we adopted the name.

0:44:280:44:31

And it was one of the most -

0:44:310:44:35

it was THE most successful toy I've ever been involved with.

0:44:350:44:39

We were the second largest,

0:44:390:44:42

well below, of course, Barbie, the girls' toy.

0:44:420:44:45

They sold several hundred million dollars of it.

0:44:450:44:48

You could really say Polly Pocket is the reason we could do all this.

0:44:480:44:53

Hello, you are listening to Roundhouse Radio

0:45:460:45:49

and my name is Noa Logan.

0:45:490:45:51

We have an extra special show for you today.

0:45:510:45:54

We're celebrating both of our birthdays, our 50th and our tenth.

0:45:540:45:58

So, stick with me and we'll be bringing you the best creative

0:45:580:46:03

experimentation that we have going on

0:46:030:46:05

in this incredibly special building.

0:46:050:46:08

Earlier this year, we sent a team of young artists abroad to learn,

0:46:160:46:20

grow and collaborate with other international artists,

0:46:200:46:24

as the start of our En Masse Project.

0:46:240:46:27

We are going to bring all of those artists back,

0:46:270:46:29

alongside the Roundhouse Choir, Wax Lyrical,

0:46:290:46:31

The Poetry Collective and the William Ellis Big Band,

0:46:310:46:34

alongside the fantastic Jamie Cullum.

0:46:340:46:37

So, here at the Roundhouse we shouldn't have favourites,

0:46:420:46:45

but if I did, it would be the Last Word Festival.

0:46:450:46:50

Just over two weeks of the best in spoken word and poetry.

0:46:500:46:54

If you think you hate spoken word, trust me, you don't,

0:46:540:46:57

you just haven't found something that you like quite yet.

0:46:570:47:01

A letter to you.

0:47:010:47:03

Perpetually blagging your way through life.

0:47:030:47:06

You, who feel like a fraud.

0:47:060:47:08

A misconceived mishmash of half-baked beliefs,

0:47:080:47:11

cut-and-paste archetypes, breathe easy.

0:47:110:47:14

You must all play this game of identity Jenga.

0:47:140:47:17

To the young black girl stood in the furthest corner of the dance floor,

0:47:170:47:21

whose heart marches to the urgent bark

0:47:210:47:23

of Joe Strummer and David Bowie, who doesn't know how to Dutty Wine,

0:47:230:47:27

whose behind is as flat as an extended palm

0:47:270:47:29

who feels more at home in the screaming mouth of a mosh pit

0:47:290:47:32

than a dance-hall rave.

0:47:320:47:34

To the boy who's been known to kiss boys

0:47:340:47:36

and the girl who's been known to kiss girls,

0:47:360:47:39

may your public caress of your lover's shoulder be

0:47:390:47:42

an everyday gesture of affection, not a wilful act of defiance.

0:47:420:47:46

To the boy in the pink tutu and the girl in the Superman costume

0:47:460:47:50

and the he-she, almost not quite delicious, anarchist in-betweeners

0:47:500:47:54

who refuse our pronouns and prerequisites

0:47:540:47:57

so we know what it is to choke on the trapped air of ignorance.

0:47:570:48:01

To the 16-stone man who has no time for the condescending thumbs-up

0:48:010:48:05

swung his way as he bites into an apple or runs round his local park.

0:48:050:48:10

To the hipster

0:48:100:48:12

too afraid to tell her friends how much she loves One Direction.

0:48:120:48:15

No, not ironically,

0:48:150:48:18

with a profoundly intense, and unending passion.

0:48:180:48:21

To the feminist who's read the beauty myth three times

0:48:210:48:24

yet still lusts after xylophone ribs and guillotine cheekbones,

0:48:240:48:28

who loves hip-hop with a full heart and gritted teeth.

0:48:280:48:31

To the people who have at least 16 different responses to the question,

0:48:320:48:36

where are you from?

0:48:360:48:38

Whose guts double Dutch as their eyes hover over the ethnicity box

0:48:380:48:41

on a medical form, the stomachs that bloat with

0:48:410:48:44

the oceans their parents crissed and crossed,

0:48:440:48:47

the accents that lilt and swell like an orgy of castanets

0:48:470:48:50

nibbling at sitars and African drums.

0:48:500:48:53

Here's to the people that belong everywhere and nowhere.

0:48:530:48:57

The tongues parched and gasping as a land of exile.

0:48:570:49:01

Here's to the 40-, 50-, 60-year-old people still working it out,

0:49:010:49:05

who rip off the hands of the ticking clock and eat them like breadsticks.

0:49:050:49:09

Here's to taking your own sweet time.

0:49:090:49:12

Here's to the ways of being and seeing and living and loving

0:49:120:49:15

that our feeble language has yet to find a battle-cry for.

0:49:150:49:19

Here's for the civil war raging inside all of us.

0:49:190:49:22

The gristle of contradictions we pluck from our teeth

0:49:220:49:26

and the small truths we nestle safely under our tongues.

0:49:260:49:29

Here's to falling and failing and flying all at once.

0:49:290:49:33

Here's to identity Jenga.

0:49:330:49:36

Even the tallest and most formidable of towers

0:49:360:49:41

was once just a pile of bricks.

0:49:410:49:44

So, are you an amazing film-maker?

0:49:460:49:48

Or do you have a brilliant idea for a film somewhere in your brain?

0:49:480:49:52

If so, we have some money for you to make it happen.

0:49:520:49:55

Not me personally, but the Roundhouse online film fund.

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So, if you want to get the best out of your idea

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and you want the correct support to make it happen,

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why don't you apply online?

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"So, what do you go for in a girl?"

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he crows, lifting the lager to his lips.

0:50:240:50:27

He gestures where his mate sits, then downs his glass.

0:50:270:50:30

"He prefers tits.

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"I prefer arse.

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"What do you go for in a girl?"

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Well, I feel quite uncomfortable,

0:50:400:50:42

the air left the room a long time ago.

0:50:420:50:44

All eyes are on me...

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If you must know, I'd like a girl who

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reads.

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Yes, reads. I'm not trying to call you a chauvinist

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because I know that you're not alone in this,

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but I'd like a girl who reads,

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who needs the written word and who uses the added vocabulary

0:50:590:51:02

she gleans from novels and poetry to hold lively conversation

0:51:020:51:05

in a range of social situations. I want a girl who reads,

0:51:050:51:09

whose heart bleeds at the works of Graham Greene or even Heat magazine,

0:51:090:51:14

who ties back her hair while she's reading Jane Eyre,

0:51:140:51:17

and who goes cover to cover

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with each Waterstones three-for-two offer,

0:51:180:51:21

but I want a girl who doesn't stop there. I want a girl who reads.

0:51:210:51:24

A girl who feeds her addiction for fiction

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with unusual poems and plays.

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That she hunts out in crooked book shops for days and days and days.

0:51:280:51:31

She'll sit addicted at breakfast,

0:51:310:51:33

soaking up the back of the cornflakes box

0:51:330:51:35

and the info she gets from what she reads makes her a total fox.

0:51:350:51:39

Because she's interesting and she's unique.

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And her theories make me go weak at the knees.

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This idea was originally the idea that young people,

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particularly in London,

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we know have a lot of energy

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and a sense of commitment and at the moment

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particularly they're feeling disenfranchised.

0:52:040:52:07

They were bewildered, I think, by what's happening in politics

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in the sense they can vote for something but it doesn't matter,

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or it doesn't count.

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And somehow if you turn that into a positive,

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and that we get them all together, but not in a whingeing way,

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but to say "OK, here's your floor, come up with some ideas."

0:52:210:52:25

Our idea was to come up with this manifesto at the end

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of what we can do just to make things better,

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to make their world better.

0:52:310:52:33

So it's addressing their concerns, isn't it? It tends to be housing,

0:52:330:52:36

it tends to be... I think you came up with your three Ps?

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Yes, we had a meeting,

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a couple of us had a meeting with a group of three young people

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from the Roundhouse last night.

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They've come up with politics, power, pay and performance,

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-the four Ps.

-Very good.

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So we ought to look at those as the stimulating themes

0:52:510:52:55

for the day, for the event in January.

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So it should be fun, we don't want it to be like a conference.

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The performance element is going to be a key part of that.

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We're creating a crowdsourced history of the Roundhouse

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that will form a digital timeline

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of the events over the past 50 years.

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We're collecting stories from everyone -

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so from members of the public,

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from artists that we've worked with, members of the local community.

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And that story will form a digital history of the Roundhouse.

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There has been someone that has sort of...

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been kind of living in the area,

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cos community is an important part of this, as well, since 1995

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and has been able to see the Roundhouse from his kitchen window

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and he charts his... the way he's grown-up

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as the way the sort of Roundhouse has grown, as well.

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Someone's dad actually played here about 40 years ago.

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So just lots of different kind of connections.

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All the people that have sent memories through sort of feel

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this very personal connection to the Roundhouse,

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which is really great to see.

0:54:010:54:02

Strangely, the Roundhouse,

0:54:020:54:04

it's the roundness that actually makes it a very intimate space,

0:54:040:54:07

so the artists are never very far away from the audience

0:54:070:54:10

and the audience are never very far away from the artists.

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I think nine times out of ten, if there's a gig going on,

0:54:130:54:17

the artist, the musician at some point will stop and look at it

0:54:170:54:21

and go, "This is the most amazing place I've ever performed in."

0:54:210:54:24

HE RAPS: Kids on the road start young these days

0:54:240:54:26

Walk street with a knife these days No fun these days

0:54:260:54:28

Do dirt, end up on the run these days

0:54:280:54:30

Whole lot of pain, suffering, and badness, whole lot of madness

0:54:300:54:32

Too many grieving mothers and sadness

0:54:320:54:34

It ain't safe in the manor no more

0:54:340:54:36

Take one fool step and you could get bored

0:54:360:54:38

Kids caught up in the hype and the nonsense

0:54:380:54:39

Do what they hear in the songs and the TV

0:54:390:54:41

Picking up dust, makin' up fuss for the sake of money

0:54:410:54:43

Cos it look so easy

0:54:430:54:45

They don't understand, they can't comprehend

0:54:450:54:46

Cos they're too caught up trying to rep their ends

0:54:460:54:48

For the reputation, and pass it on to the next generation.

0:54:480:54:51

Can't tek no more of it No, no, no, no, no

0:54:510:54:54

-Can't tek no more of it.

-Hey!

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# I've been through it all

0:55:000:55:02

# So I understand, I'll understand if you go

0:55:060:55:10

# O-o-o-o-oh

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# So make your mark

0:55:140:55:18

# For your friends to see

0:55:180:55:21

# But when... When you need company

0:55:220:55:27

# Don't go to strangers

0:55:290:55:33

# My darling, come to me. #

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It's a really special reason

0:55:510:55:53

why the Roundhouse is here and why people come here -

0:55:530:55:56

it's that we're on the railway side on one side

0:55:560:55:58

and the road side on the other

0:55:580:55:59

and there's wealthy, there's poor, there's business, there's industry

0:55:590:56:03

and we're at this kind of little island right in the middle.

0:56:030:56:06

People talk about places being on ley lines, um...

0:56:060:56:10

I don't know if that's true at all,

0:56:100:56:12

but there's certainly a feeling about this little island

0:56:120:56:15

and it does its own thing in its own place.

0:56:150:56:17

Well, I think it was Thelma Holt who said to me once -

0:56:190:56:22

she said, "I love what you're going to do with it,

0:56:220:56:25

"but I'm not in the least worried because the Roundhouse has a habit

0:56:250:56:30

"of spitting out the things it doesn't like."

0:56:300:56:32

Well, you know, the only thing I can say is that 50 years on,

0:56:340:56:38

or whatever it is,

0:56:380:56:39

the Roundhouse is starting to make its wishes understood.

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# When you were young and your heart was an open book

0:56:450:56:50

# You used to say live and let live

0:56:520:56:56

# You know you did, you know you did, you know you did

0:56:560:56:59

# But this ever-changin' world in which we live in

0:56:590:57:04

# Makes you give in and cry

0:57:040:57:08

# Say live and let die

0:57:100:57:13

# Live and let die

0:57:150:57:18

# Live and let die

0:57:180:57:22

# Live and let die... #

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..It's suddenly serious...

0:57:480:57:49

-No.

-Is this stale?

0:57:500:57:53

PEOPLE CHATTER

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PEOPLE LAUGH

0:57:550:57:56

Whoa!

0:57:560:57:58

LAUGHTER

0:57:580:58:00

Whoa!

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APPLAUSE AND LAUGHTER

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