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I'm Judith Gillespie. For many years, I was a serving police officer here. | 4:43:35 | 4:43:41 | |
During that time, I saw many things, both bad... | 4:43:41 | 4:43:44 | |
..and good. | 4:43:48 | 4:43:49 | |
-JOURNALIST: -Judith Gillespie now finds herself | 4:43:50 | 4:43:53 | |
sitting on the Policing Board alongside Sinn Fein. | 4:43:53 | 4:43:55 | |
Thankfully, as a community, we have moved on. | 4:43:57 | 4:43:59 | |
Now I've left the police and I'm passing on my experience | 4:44:01 | 4:44:04 | |
to the next generation at this business class. | 4:44:04 | 4:44:07 | |
I'm not approaching this from a particularly academic perspective, | 4:44:07 | 4:44:11 | |
I'm approaching it from the point of view | 4:44:11 | 4:44:12 | |
that I've been a police officer for 32 years. | 4:44:12 | 4:44:15 | |
I joined when I was four, of course! LAUGHTER | 4:44:15 | 4:44:19 | |
So, here, we have some rare photographs | 4:44:19 | 4:44:21 | |
from my early police career. | 4:44:21 | 4:44:23 | |
That's Andersonstown Police Station. | 4:44:23 | 4:44:25 | |
It was one of my very first police stations. | 4:44:25 | 4:44:27 | |
We've come a long way from the dark days of the past, | 4:44:27 | 4:44:31 | |
but despite progress in many areas, we still have some serious issues. | 4:44:31 | 4:44:35 | |
One of them is domestic violence, mainly against women. | 4:44:37 | 4:44:41 | |
Last year, there were 28,000 incidents. | 4:44:41 | 4:44:44 | |
WOMAN SOBS | 4:44:51 | 4:44:53 | |
There's an emergency call like this every 19 minutes. | 4:45:02 | 4:45:06 | |
And the numbers are going up. | 4:45:06 | 4:45:08 | |
But behind each number is a victim. | 4:45:08 | 4:45:10 | |
He put his hands around my throat and pushed me up against the wall | 4:45:12 | 4:45:18 | |
and he was stamping on me and punching me. | 4:45:18 | 4:45:22 | |
While assaults on men do happen, up to six women are murdered | 4:45:22 | 4:45:26 | |
at the hands of their partner or ex-partner every year. | 4:45:26 | 4:45:30 | |
Thousands are injured. | 4:45:30 | 4:45:32 | |
Many live in fear and in silence. | 4:45:32 | 4:45:35 | |
Then he grabbed me, er, literally dragged me to the car | 4:45:36 | 4:45:40 | |
and punched me inside the car and I got winded. | 4:45:40 | 4:45:45 | |
All my life, being honest | 4:45:45 | 4:45:48 | |
and to lie and to keep up a lie made me feel ashamed of myself. | 4:45:48 | 4:45:54 | |
'So why are some men so violent to women? | 4:45:56 | 4:46:00 | |
'I want to look those in the eye who beat their partners.' | 4:46:00 | 4:46:03 | |
Where did you kick her? | 4:46:03 | 4:46:05 | |
In the chest, the neck and face and head. | 4:46:05 | 4:46:08 | |
She had multiple breaks and fractures in her cheeks. | 4:46:10 | 4:46:14 | |
'Most of all, it destroys the lives of our children | 4:46:14 | 4:46:17 | |
'who carry the scars to the next generation.' | 4:46:17 | 4:46:20 | |
We've dealt with terrorism in this country for a long time, | 4:46:20 | 4:46:24 | |
yet we're not recognising the terrorism that happens in homes. | 4:46:24 | 4:46:28 | |
The question is - are our laws fit for purpose? | 4:46:30 | 4:46:33 | |
Do we really understand what's going on in people's homes? | 4:46:33 | 4:46:37 | |
Is each and every one of us doing enough | 4:46:37 | 4:46:39 | |
to rid our society of this scourge? | 4:46:39 | 4:46:42 | |
So, we're driving along Stockman's Lane towards West Belfast | 4:46:58 | 4:47:02 | |
and, when I worked here during the Troubles, | 4:47:02 | 4:47:05 | |
we always had to be escorted by the Army, | 4:47:05 | 4:47:08 | |
both for going onto shifts and during the shift. | 4:47:08 | 4:47:12 | |
And always at the back of your mind was the prospect of an ambush, | 4:47:12 | 4:47:16 | |
whether by gun, rocket or a bomb attack, | 4:47:16 | 4:47:19 | |
especially at shift changeover times. | 4:47:19 | 4:47:22 | |
I can remember attending domestic violence incidents here | 4:47:30 | 4:47:33 | |
or family rows, as they would've been called in those days, | 4:47:33 | 4:47:36 | |
where the police would've seen their role as to reconcile the situation, | 4:47:36 | 4:47:40 | |
rather than deal with the assault and, of course, when we attended, | 4:47:40 | 4:47:44 | |
it would have been nine male police officers, four soldiers and | 4:47:44 | 4:47:48 | |
myself, the wee policewoman, to deal with what was quite serious crime. | 4:47:48 | 4:47:52 | |
It was even risky for the victim to call the police herself. | 4:47:52 | 4:47:56 | |
But nowadays, that has changed and the police have a policy | 4:47:56 | 4:47:59 | |
of arresting the alleged perpetrator straightaway. | 4:47:59 | 4:48:02 | |
'I'm meeting a young woman | 4:48:09 | 4:48:11 | |
'who was in an abusive relationship for ten years. | 4:48:11 | 4:48:14 | |
'She's one of a number of women who have bravely decided | 4:48:14 | 4:48:17 | |
'to tell their stories to me in detail on camera for the first time.' | 4:48:17 | 4:48:21 | |
The abuse, it didn't start as violence. | 4:48:23 | 4:48:27 | |
It started out more like emotional abuse, um... | 4:48:27 | 4:48:32 | |
When I had moved in with him, he was working and I wasn't | 4:48:32 | 4:48:36 | |
and, like, I didn't really pick up on it at the start. | 4:48:36 | 4:48:41 | |
Rosie McEntee from County Armagh was in an abusive relationship | 4:48:42 | 4:48:46 | |
with Darren McKeown from the age of 16. | 4:48:46 | 4:48:49 | |
They had two children. | 4:48:49 | 4:48:51 | |
He didn't like me leaving the flat while he was at work, um, | 4:48:51 | 4:48:55 | |
which I thought he was just... he was just being overprotective. | 4:48:55 | 4:49:00 | |
Then it got to the stage where he would want me to meet him | 4:49:00 | 4:49:04 | |
at the bottom of the road when he was getting dropped off | 4:49:04 | 4:49:07 | |
and he would literally go frantic | 4:49:07 | 4:49:09 | |
if I wasn't standing at the bottom of the road waiting on him. | 4:49:09 | 4:49:13 | |
An example of McKeown's aggressive and controlling behaviour | 4:49:13 | 4:49:17 | |
was captured on this home video. | 4:49:17 | 4:49:19 | |
'The first time that he was actually physical towards me was' | 4:49:44 | 4:49:49 | |
when my first child was only two months old. | 4:49:49 | 4:49:52 | |
Um, my ex had been drinking all day, so he had, um, | 4:49:53 | 4:49:59 | |
and he arrived home at 12 o'clock at night | 4:49:59 | 4:50:03 | |
and he came in through the door shouting and demanding | 4:50:03 | 4:50:07 | |
that I come down the stairs and drink with him. | 4:50:07 | 4:50:10 | |
I'd no sooner got into bed till he had come running up the stairs | 4:50:10 | 4:50:14 | |
and into the bedroom and trailed me by the hair out of bed, | 4:50:14 | 4:50:19 | |
across the bedroom and tried to actually trail me | 4:50:19 | 4:50:21 | |
down the stairs by the hair. | 4:50:21 | 4:50:23 | |
I got away from him and I got my phone | 4:50:23 | 4:50:26 | |
and I locked myself in the bathroom, | 4:50:26 | 4:50:28 | |
because I was just... I was petrified. | 4:50:28 | 4:50:30 | |
He had never, ever done anything like that before. He'd... | 4:50:30 | 4:50:34 | |
He'd only ever used emotional abuse towards me. | 4:50:35 | 4:50:38 | |
Um, and I was just... I was petrified, so I rang the police. | 4:50:38 | 4:50:43 | |
McKeown persuaded Rosie to drop her complaint | 4:50:44 | 4:50:47 | |
and lie to the police. | 4:50:47 | 4:50:49 | |
I look back now and I know that | 4:50:49 | 4:50:50 | |
that was the first and most vital mistake that I had made was, | 4:50:50 | 4:50:54 | |
you know, sending them police away that night, because, literally, | 4:50:54 | 4:50:58 | |
I just handed him so much power and he knew all he had to do was cry | 4:50:58 | 4:51:02 | |
and, you know, tell me he was never going to do it again, | 4:51:02 | 4:51:05 | |
and make me feel guilty, and I would... | 4:51:05 | 4:51:08 | |
you know, I would back down. | 4:51:08 | 4:51:10 | |
Rosie finally plucked up the courage to leave him | 4:51:10 | 4:51:13 | |
after he beat her up outside a pub. | 4:51:13 | 4:51:15 | |
He kept kicking me, kicking my head off the kerb | 4:51:18 | 4:51:20 | |
and literally walking up and down the street | 4:51:20 | 4:51:22 | |
roaring, saying, "Somebody stop me, because I'm going to kill her!" | 4:51:22 | 4:51:26 | |
and then, kicking me again, um... | 4:51:26 | 4:51:29 | |
And he had... He got arrested, um, but I wouldn't press charges. | 4:51:29 | 4:51:34 | |
I wouldn't make a statement, I was too afraid to make a statement. | 4:51:34 | 4:51:38 | |
Um, and he got released the next morning. | 4:51:38 | 4:51:42 | |
And when I saw the taxi pull up, I knew it was him, so I ran outside. | 4:51:42 | 4:51:47 | |
And, when I ran away from him, he grabbed me by the hair | 4:51:47 | 4:51:50 | |
and trailed me and said, "Where the hell do you think you're going?" | 4:51:50 | 4:51:53 | |
and trailed me back into the house | 4:51:53 | 4:51:54 | |
and just kept punching and punching my face. | 4:51:54 | 4:51:57 | |
With the help of Women's Aid and the PSNI, | 4:51:58 | 4:52:01 | |
Rosie moved to a refuge and later to a house, | 4:52:01 | 4:52:04 | |
where she began a new life with her children, | 4:52:04 | 4:52:06 | |
away from where she used to live. | 4:52:06 | 4:52:09 | |
Her ex-partner was jailed for nine months, | 4:52:09 | 4:52:12 | |
but one day, Darren McKeown turned up at her door. | 4:52:12 | 4:52:15 | |
McKeown trailed Rosie into the street and viciously beat her again. | 4:52:17 | 4:52:21 | |
I knew that it wasn't going to end well. | 4:52:23 | 4:52:26 | |
I knew, I just knew! | 4:52:26 | 4:52:27 | |
I knew by the look in his eyes that his plan was to kill me. | 4:52:27 | 4:52:31 | |
'With the help of a neighbour and a passing van driver, | 4:52:31 | 4:52:34 | |
'she managed to escape and call the police.' | 4:52:34 | 4:52:37 | |
SHE SOBS | 4:52:43 | 4:52:45 | |
Rosie suffered a number of injuries. | 4:53:13 | 4:53:16 | |
Her former partner was jailed, | 4:53:16 | 4:53:17 | |
this time for three years. | 4:53:17 | 4:53:19 | |
Rosie's children were taken into care. | 4:53:20 | 4:53:23 | |
She's hoping to get them back. | 4:53:23 | 4:53:25 | |
SOFT CHATTER | 4:53:31 | 4:53:32 | |
He is, yeah. | 4:53:34 | 4:53:36 | |
She tries to be, but... | 4:53:36 | 4:53:38 | |
I do believe that my children going into the care system, you know, | 4:53:38 | 4:53:41 | |
has caused them further grief and further, you know, heartache. | 4:53:41 | 4:53:45 | |
They shouldn't have had to went through | 4:53:45 | 4:53:47 | |
witnessing the domestic abuse, but then, to be taken away | 4:53:47 | 4:53:51 | |
from their mother - you know, it wasn't the answer. | 4:53:51 | 4:53:55 | |
'The Western Trust said that, respecting confidentiality, | 4:53:55 | 4:53:58 | |
'it does not comment on individual cases.' | 4:53:58 | 4:54:02 | |
So what advice would you give to a woman, young or old in your position, | 4:54:02 | 4:54:07 | |
and the first time their partner physically attacks them? | 4:54:07 | 4:54:12 | |
To get out straightaway and don't... | 4:54:12 | 4:54:14 | |
You know, don't fall for the same thing that I fell for, | 4:54:14 | 4:54:17 | |
don't fall for the tears and the excuses | 4:54:17 | 4:54:21 | |
and the promises that it's not going to happen again, because... | 4:54:21 | 4:54:25 | |
I know for a fact that, me, if I had pushed forward | 4:54:25 | 4:54:30 | |
with the police that first time he laid hands on me, | 4:54:30 | 4:54:34 | |
I wouldn't have went through the years of, you know, | 4:54:34 | 4:54:37 | |
additional violence and abuse that I went through. | 4:54:37 | 4:54:40 | |
Um, and I handed him the power. | 4:54:40 | 4:54:43 | |
Listening to Rosie there, | 4:54:48 | 4:54:51 | |
she talks about many years of utterly controlling | 4:54:51 | 4:54:54 | |
and manipulative behaviour by her partner. | 4:54:54 | 4:54:58 | |
And he completely isolated her from her family and her friends. | 4:54:58 | 4:55:02 | |
And sometimes, vulnerable women like Rosie just don't realise | 4:55:02 | 4:55:06 | |
that there is help out there. | 4:55:06 | 4:55:08 | |
But then, part of me wonders, | 4:55:09 | 4:55:12 | |
do some of us look the other way when this is happening | 4:55:12 | 4:55:14 | |
and we just don't want to get involved? | 4:55:14 | 4:55:17 | |
In England and Wales in December 2015, new legislation was introduced | 4:55:21 | 4:55:25 | |
to deal with coercive and controlling behaviour, | 4:55:25 | 4:55:28 | |
but there are no immediate plans in Northern Ireland | 4:55:28 | 4:55:31 | |
to introduce similar legislation. | 4:55:31 | 4:55:33 | |
I think I'll go back and I'll ring her again and just offer maybe | 4:55:33 | 4:55:37 | |
a bit more support, knowing the extra stuff there we've heard and... | 4:55:37 | 4:55:41 | |
Keeping survivors of domestic violence and their children safe | 4:55:41 | 4:55:45 | |
involves a whole range of agencies who meet regularly. | 4:55:45 | 4:55:48 | |
The resources are huge, it costs society millions, | 4:55:48 | 4:55:52 | |
never mind the human cost. | 4:55:52 | 4:55:53 | |
An ambulance was tasked and she was taken to hospital. | 4:55:55 | 4:55:58 | |
She had a fractured wrist, | 4:55:58 | 4:55:59 | |
which she stated was the result of a recent fall. | 4:55:59 | 4:56:03 | |
Around this table are social workers, police, | 4:56:03 | 4:56:06 | |
the Housing Executive and probation officers. | 4:56:06 | 4:56:10 | |
Along with organisations like Women's Aid, they help survivors | 4:56:10 | 4:56:14 | |
pick up their lives and assess any further risks to them. | 4:56:14 | 4:56:17 | |
From our point of view, we could offer temporary accommodation, | 4:56:19 | 4:56:22 | |
put her in a fully-furnished property, | 4:56:22 | 4:56:24 | |
and get her out of the situation she's in. | 4:56:24 | 4:56:26 | |
We could look at extra security, | 4:56:26 | 4:56:28 | |
just make her as safe as possible in her new home. | 4:56:28 | 4:56:31 | |
Today, I'm going to visit someone who ended up in a refuge. | 4:56:37 | 4:56:41 | |
For her and for her children, it was a terrifying experience. | 4:56:41 | 4:56:45 | |
She's a highly-qualified person | 4:56:45 | 4:56:47 | |
and her abuser is a highly-qualified professional as well. | 4:56:47 | 4:56:51 | |
Julie Ann had three children from her first marriage, | 4:57:00 | 4:57:03 | |
when she met Juan Augusto 12 years ago, here in Northern Ireland | 4:57:03 | 4:57:07 | |
and lived in County Down. | 4:57:07 | 4:57:09 | |
Juan, will you take Julie Ann to be your wife? | 4:57:12 | 4:57:17 | |
They later got married and had two children of their own, | 4:57:17 | 4:57:20 | |
one of whom has learning difficulties. | 4:57:20 | 4:57:22 | |
Juan Augusto is a university professor | 4:57:24 | 4:57:26 | |
and Julie Ann is a health care manager. | 4:57:26 | 4:57:29 | |
When Julie Ann then began to study part-time to further her career, | 4:57:29 | 4:57:33 | |
it was a problem for Juan. | 4:57:33 | 4:57:35 | |
If I needed to travel for work, | 4:57:37 | 4:57:39 | |
then it was really just absolutely not supported. In fact, it was | 4:57:39 | 4:57:44 | |
-deemed to be really quite unreasonable. -Mm-hm. | 4:57:44 | 4:57:48 | |
And, in fact, he once said I was only doing my PhD | 4:57:48 | 4:57:52 | |
-to compete with him! -SHE LAUGHS | 4:57:52 | 4:57:55 | |
As tensions rose over Julie Ann's career, | 4:57:55 | 4:57:59 | |
and Juan's controlling behaviour escalated, | 4:57:59 | 4:58:01 | |
he accused her of being unfaithful. | 4:58:01 | 4:58:03 | |
There were, um... | 4:58:05 | 4:58:08 | |
issues, always as an undercurrent, which frequently surfaced. | 4:58:08 | 4:58:14 | |
He was absolutely convinced I was having an affair, | 4:58:14 | 4:58:17 | |
which, I mean, is just absolutely ludicrous. | 4:58:17 | 4:58:20 | |
Thanks to life, that has given me so much... | 4:58:20 | 4:58:23 | |
One day, Julie Ann arrived home to find Juan in a dark mood. | 4:58:23 | 4:58:27 | |
When she tried to talk to him, she says he became angry. | 4:58:29 | 4:58:32 | |
He started charging towards me. | 4:58:32 | 4:58:34 | |
I could hear him coming back towards me. | 4:58:34 | 4:58:38 | |
And I faced him and he had this horrendous blackness to his face. | 4:58:38 | 4:58:44 | |
You know, I mean, anger and, um, his arms outstretched. | 4:58:44 | 4:58:49 | |
He put his hands around my throat and pushed me up against the wall. | 4:58:52 | 4:58:58 | |
And the last thing I remember, Judith, was thinking, | 4:58:58 | 4:59:02 | |
"I hope he doesn't know to carry on strangling after I'm unconscious." | 4:59:02 | 4:59:06 | |
And then... | 4:59:08 | 4:59:10 | |
when I came round, I was on the floor, which is a tiled floor, | 4:59:10 | 4:59:16 | |
and I could feel the blows raining down, | 4:59:16 | 4:59:19 | |
and he was stamping on me and punching me, | 4:59:19 | 4:59:22 | |
and he put his hands into my mouth | 4:59:22 | 4:59:25 | |
and proceeded to try and pull my teeth out, | 4:59:25 | 4:59:29 | |
and that was absolutely excruciating. | 4:59:29 | 4:59:33 | |
His wedding ring, um, broke these teeth here. | 4:59:33 | 4:59:37 | |
He started hitting again. | 4:59:39 | 4:59:41 | |
And I said, "Juan, I'm sorry, please stop." | 4:59:41 | 4:59:46 | |
I didn't scream, it was probably not very loud and, at that point, | 4:59:47 | 4:59:53 | |
it's almost that he became, um, just without any control at all. | 4:59:53 | 5:00:00 | |
The beating only stopped | 5:00:04 | 5:00:06 | |
because their eight-year-old daughter intervened. | 5:00:06 | 5:00:09 | |
She started screaming, | 5:00:11 | 5:00:13 | |
really, really, really bloodcurdling screaming. | 5:00:13 | 5:00:17 | |
Consciousness was returning. | 5:00:17 | 5:00:19 | |
And then, I knew it was her, because she said, you know, | 5:00:21 | 5:00:25 | |
"Stop it, Pappy, stop it!" in a very demanding way, | 5:00:25 | 5:00:28 | |
and punctuating her screams. | 5:00:28 | 5:00:30 | |
I opened my eyes and just saw a sea of blood over the tiled floor. | 5:00:32 | 5:00:39 | |
Julie Ann managed to flee in absolute terror from the house | 5:00:39 | 5:00:43 | |
and dialled 999. | 5:00:43 | 5:00:45 | |
SHE WAILS | 5:00:55 | 5:00:56 | |
She was taken to hospital and the police came to take a statement. | 5:01:04 | 5:01:09 | |
Her husband had also called the emergency services. | 5:01:09 | 5:01:12 | |
He was arrested and charged. | 5:01:26 | 5:01:28 | |
He told the police he had had "a moment of insanity". | 5:01:29 | 5:01:33 | |
-What sort of injuries did you have? Can you tell us about those? -Yes. | 5:01:33 | 5:01:36 | |
Well, I had broken teeth and a non-displaced fracture of my nose. | 5:01:36 | 5:01:41 | |
Um, my complete head, though you could only see the face, | 5:01:41 | 5:01:45 | |
my complete head was just one enormous bruise. | 5:01:45 | 5:01:49 | |
I had 22 individual and really significant contusions | 5:01:50 | 5:01:56 | |
across my torso and arm. | 5:01:56 | 5:01:59 | |
Very, very painful to try and breathe. | 5:01:59 | 5:02:02 | |
I was really sore, I was really sore. | 5:02:02 | 5:02:05 | |
I was actually quite worried for Juan as well, um... | 5:02:06 | 5:02:11 | |
You know, I had genuinely driven home that night thinking, | 5:02:11 | 5:02:15 | |
"I can't wait to see him. I love my husband so much." | 5:02:15 | 5:02:18 | |
And...and then, in the hospital, I was thinking, you know, | 5:02:18 | 5:02:21 | |
"What are the police going to do to him?! | 5:02:21 | 5:02:24 | |
"He must've gone mad! What's happened?" | 5:02:24 | 5:02:28 | |
'Julie Ann and her children left the family home for their own safety.' | 5:02:29 | 5:02:33 | |
I went to live in a women's refuge in Bangor. | 5:02:35 | 5:02:41 | |
The women in there were priceless. | 5:02:45 | 5:02:49 | |
But it was not home. | 5:02:49 | 5:02:51 | |
It was a very tearful moment, looking into a wicker basket with... | 5:02:52 | 5:02:56 | |
new towels and soap and toothbrushes and things that weren't mine, | 5:02:56 | 5:03:01 | |
but had been donated by other women. | 5:03:01 | 5:03:04 | |
And we had to rely on them. | 5:03:07 | 5:03:08 | |
And then, um... | 5:03:10 | 5:03:13 | |
to be given a food parcel | 5:03:13 | 5:03:16 | |
that had been collected by people in a church. | 5:03:16 | 5:03:19 | |
The support from Women's Aid helped Julie Ann and her children | 5:03:23 | 5:03:27 | |
get their lives back together, but her ordeal was far from over. | 5:03:27 | 5:03:32 | |
I'm on my way to Londonderry to meet Marie Brown of Women's Aid | 5:03:37 | 5:03:40 | |
where a lot of pioneering work is going on. | 5:03:40 | 5:03:43 | |
Derry has one of the highest rates of reported domestic violence | 5:03:45 | 5:03:49 | |
in Northern Ireland. | 5:03:49 | 5:03:50 | |
Marie told me that many women who arrive on the doorstep | 5:03:52 | 5:03:56 | |
find themselves at greater risk, because they're expecting a baby. | 5:03:56 | 5:04:00 | |
Sometimes, there's a jealousy of the pregnancy, | 5:04:00 | 5:04:03 | |
because it's taken her attention away, | 5:04:03 | 5:04:06 | |
or a jealousy even of the children, because she's not able to function | 5:04:06 | 5:04:10 | |
to meet his needs in the same way, cos their appearance changes, | 5:04:10 | 5:04:13 | |
they put on weight, they're not perfect, you know, and even | 5:04:13 | 5:04:17 | |
the emotional attacks on them about they're fat, they're lazy, | 5:04:17 | 5:04:21 | |
when really they're just pregnant women who need supported and loved | 5:04:21 | 5:04:25 | |
and, you know, and cherished and that's quite a difficult... | 5:04:25 | 5:04:29 | |
And even after having the baby, I mean, one story stands to my mind | 5:04:29 | 5:04:34 | |
where a young woman came out after having a Caesarean | 5:04:34 | 5:04:37 | |
and he ripped her staples out, | 5:04:37 | 5:04:39 | |
because she refused to go and get him alcohol. | 5:04:39 | 5:04:43 | |
Is it possible, actually, to come out the other end and survive? | 5:04:43 | 5:04:47 | |
It's important for all women out there | 5:04:47 | 5:04:50 | |
to know that they can survive this | 5:04:50 | 5:04:52 | |
and, you know, and it's one of the things that we would say to women | 5:04:52 | 5:04:56 | |
going through court, um, as terrible as all of this is, | 5:04:56 | 5:05:00 | |
it's going to be over and you're going to come out the other end. | 5:05:00 | 5:05:04 | |
'Convicted perpetrators are dealt with by Probation, | 5:05:07 | 5:05:10 | |
'but the NSPCC has a role as well. It tries to help men | 5:05:10 | 5:05:14 | |
'who recognise they have a problem and want to change. | 5:05:14 | 5:05:17 | |
'It's rare for one to talk on camera. | 5:05:17 | 5:05:20 | |
'Jim, not his real name, chose not to reveal his identity | 5:05:20 | 5:05:24 | |
'and his voice has been disguised.' | 5:05:24 | 5:05:27 | |
Tell us about the relationship you had with your partner. | 5:05:27 | 5:05:30 | |
I had a very good relationship with my partner. | 5:05:33 | 5:05:36 | |
It was a very happy, very loving, | 5:05:36 | 5:05:39 | |
caring relationship. | 5:05:39 | 5:05:41 | |
What actually happened, Jim? | 5:05:41 | 5:05:43 | |
Um, we had a lovely family day... | 5:05:43 | 5:05:46 | |
..and the drinking went late on into the night. | 5:05:48 | 5:05:50 | |
And we had an argument. | 5:05:52 | 5:05:53 | |
And the argument turned to physical abuse. | 5:05:54 | 5:05:57 | |
So what exactly happened? | 5:05:59 | 5:06:00 | |
HE HESITATES | 5:06:03 | 5:06:05 | |
I wanted to retrieve my child | 5:06:09 | 5:06:11 | |
from my ex-partner, as things were heated. | 5:06:11 | 5:06:14 | |
There was screaming and shouting. | 5:06:15 | 5:06:18 | |
Um... | 5:06:18 | 5:06:19 | |
..and she tripped... | 5:06:20 | 5:06:22 | |
she fell... | 5:06:22 | 5:06:23 | |
..and actually protected the child in the fall. | 5:06:25 | 5:06:28 | |
But I didn't realise this at the time | 5:06:30 | 5:06:32 | |
and I went to retrieve my child. | 5:06:32 | 5:06:35 | |
She wouldn't let go, | 5:06:35 | 5:06:37 | |
believing I was the one actually capable of hurting my child. | 5:06:37 | 5:06:40 | |
And I kicked my ex-partner until she let go. | 5:06:40 | 5:06:44 | |
Where did you kick her? | 5:06:44 | 5:06:45 | |
In the chest, the neck and face and head. | 5:06:46 | 5:06:49 | |
She had multiple breaks and fractures in her cheeks | 5:06:52 | 5:06:55 | |
and her nose and her sinuses. | 5:06:55 | 5:06:57 | |
There was quite a severe amount of damage caused, | 5:06:57 | 5:07:01 | |
a lot of swelling, bruising. | 5:07:01 | 5:07:03 | |
And what would you say | 5:07:04 | 5:07:06 | |
perhaps to a woman who is in an abusive relationship? | 5:07:06 | 5:07:09 | |
I'd tell her to walk away now and go and get help. | 5:07:12 | 5:07:15 | |
I've just come out of a... really difficult conversation, | 5:07:23 | 5:07:26 | |
which was hard to listen to, with Jim. | 5:07:26 | 5:07:29 | |
At one level, he's an ordinary guy, | 5:07:29 | 5:07:32 | |
probably a nice guy if you met him for the first time, | 5:07:32 | 5:07:34 | |
but at another level, at the flick of a switch, | 5:07:34 | 5:07:37 | |
he kicks his partner repeatedly in the chest and head | 5:07:37 | 5:07:41 | |
and all the time while she's holding this very young toddler. | 5:07:41 | 5:07:45 | |
And I'm left thinking, "What if? What if he'd missed? | 5:07:45 | 5:07:48 | |
"What if he'd hit the child?" Bad as the injuries were to his partner, | 5:07:48 | 5:07:51 | |
it could've been so much worse, and I asked him, I probed him, | 5:07:51 | 5:07:56 | |
"What was the cause of this anger? Where did it come from?" | 5:07:56 | 5:08:00 | |
But he just didn't want to go there. | 5:08:00 | 5:08:02 | |
It's almost a year after Julie Ann | 5:08:09 | 5:08:11 | |
was attacked by her husband Professor Juan Augusto. | 5:08:11 | 5:08:14 | |
Today, she will face him in court. | 5:08:16 | 5:08:18 | |
Revisiting those terrifying events will be a painful experience for her. | 5:08:19 | 5:08:24 | |
He is charged with assault, occasioning actual bodily harm, | 5:08:24 | 5:08:27 | |
and could go to jail. | 5:08:27 | 5:08:29 | |
But finding closure and justice can be an agonising process. | 5:08:30 | 5:08:34 | |
I'm feeling OK, but a wee bit stressed, really... | 5:08:35 | 5:08:38 | |
-I'll bet you are. -..and quite emotional. -Yeah. | 5:08:38 | 5:08:41 | |
So have you been churning events over in your head? | 5:08:41 | 5:08:45 | |
I haven't. I think it's just a fear for today. | 5:08:45 | 5:08:47 | |
You know, I really just don't want to see him again. | 5:08:47 | 5:08:50 | |
'But her fear of meeting him was unfounded - he failed to turn up. | 5:08:55 | 5:09:00 | |
'The judge decided to go ahead with the case | 5:09:00 | 5:09:02 | |
'and heard all the evidence. | 5:09:02 | 5:09:03 | |
'Juan was convicted and sentenced to three months in jail. | 5:09:05 | 5:09:09 | |
'A warrant was issued for his arrest in England, where he now lives.' | 5:09:09 | 5:09:13 | |
One month later, Juan Augusto did appear in court. | 5:09:15 | 5:09:18 | |
He pleaded guilty to the charge of actual bodily harm, | 5:09:18 | 5:09:22 | |
but appealed against his jail sentence, claiming that his wife | 5:09:22 | 5:09:25 | |
had exaggerated the severity of the attack on her. | 5:09:25 | 5:09:29 | |
It meant that Julie Ann would have to come back to court | 5:09:29 | 5:09:32 | |
four weeks later to face a man she now feared. | 5:09:32 | 5:09:35 | |
The strain was clearly telling. | 5:09:35 | 5:09:37 | |
Absolutely terrified. Really, really frightened today, actually. | 5:09:46 | 5:09:49 | |
I feel worse today than I did last time. | 5:09:49 | 5:09:52 | |
But once again, Julie Ann's hopes of closure | 5:09:59 | 5:10:02 | |
and a chance to move on with her life were crushed. | 5:10:02 | 5:10:05 | |
After some deliberation, the judge decided to give both parties time to | 5:10:05 | 5:10:10 | |
"agree the facts of the attack" | 5:10:10 | 5:10:12 | |
or the case would go to a full hearing yet again. | 5:10:12 | 5:10:15 | |
Ten days later, Augusto did finally agree | 5:10:19 | 5:10:22 | |
to his wife's account of what actually happened. | 5:10:22 | 5:10:25 | |
It's been a real test of endurance. | 5:10:27 | 5:10:30 | |
You know, there are very many days where I just think... | 5:10:30 | 5:10:33 | |
I just wish it would go away and I wish it was over | 5:10:33 | 5:10:35 | |
and I would never have expected that, um... | 5:10:35 | 5:10:39 | |
you could be put on such a journey. | 5:10:39 | 5:10:41 | |
You know, the attack was one thing which I hadn't expected, | 5:10:41 | 5:10:45 | |
but equally, my expectations of what happened to you afterwards, | 5:10:45 | 5:10:50 | |
they're just... I couldn't have imagined it | 5:10:50 | 5:10:53 | |
and it is a test of endurance. | 5:10:53 | 5:10:56 | |
It is a test of endurance, um, but... I just... | 5:10:56 | 5:11:00 | |
I just hope he... he genuinely is remorseful | 5:11:00 | 5:11:04 | |
and that, whatever sentence is passed on Friday, | 5:11:04 | 5:11:08 | |
that he's given time to reflect on, actually, | 5:11:08 | 5:11:11 | |
the extent of the devastation he brought to the family, so... | 5:11:11 | 5:11:15 | |
Juan Augusto was given 100 hours community service | 5:11:20 | 5:11:23 | |
and two years probation. | 5:11:23 | 5:11:24 | |
But what if he began a new relationship? | 5:11:28 | 5:11:32 | |
Would his new partner have any way | 5:11:32 | 5:11:34 | |
of knowing about his previous history? | 5:11:34 | 5:11:36 | |
It turns out that there is a way. It's known as Clare's Law. | 5:11:38 | 5:11:41 | |
In England and Wales, a woman can ask the police and other agencies | 5:11:41 | 5:11:45 | |
to check on a partner's past, if they feel they might be at risk. | 5:11:45 | 5:11:49 | |
But that law doesn't exist here | 5:11:49 | 5:11:51 | |
and neither does the coercive control law. | 5:11:51 | 5:11:54 | |
-Hi, George. -Hello, how are you? | 5:11:56 | 5:11:57 | |
-Good to see you again. -Lovely to see you again. | 5:11:57 | 5:11:59 | |
-Yeah! -Welcome back to Antrim Road. -How are you? -I'm very well. | 5:11:59 | 5:12:02 | |
It's good to be back in a police station. | 5:12:02 | 5:12:04 | |
BOTH LAUGH | 5:12:04 | 5:12:05 | |
-I can't say it's been painted! -SHE LAUGHS: No. | 5:12:05 | 5:12:09 | |
I think Clare's Law comes from | 5:12:11 | 5:12:13 | |
a very well thought through premise, | 5:12:13 | 5:12:15 | |
which is, the more information people have, the better decisions | 5:12:15 | 5:12:18 | |
they can make that keep themselves and children safer. | 5:12:18 | 5:12:21 | |
So I think, about passing information to people that | 5:12:21 | 5:12:24 | |
care about someone who may be the victim or survivor of abuse, | 5:12:24 | 5:12:27 | |
or the potential victim or survivor of abuse, is a good thing. | 5:12:27 | 5:12:32 | |
I think society needs to make it clear that it won't tolerate abuse, | 5:12:32 | 5:12:37 | |
and how society makes its opinions known is through law. | 5:12:37 | 5:12:41 | |
So I think, professionally and organisationally, we'd welcome a law | 5:12:41 | 5:12:45 | |
that says coercive control is inappropriate, | 5:12:45 | 5:12:49 | |
it will be prosecuted. | 5:12:49 | 5:12:50 | |
Coercive control is something that many people may be experiencing | 5:12:50 | 5:12:53 | |
and perhaps don't themselves recognise, so it's helpful | 5:12:53 | 5:12:56 | |
to reflect on what a healthy relationship looks like. | 5:12:56 | 5:13:00 | |
'But despite all the positive action | 5:13:00 | 5:13:02 | |
'to curb what is a scourge on our society, George believes | 5:13:02 | 5:13:05 | |
'there are still many victims who have yet to come forward.' | 5:13:05 | 5:13:09 | |
We're talking about 30% of our cases not being reported to us. | 5:13:11 | 5:13:15 | |
There's a lot of abuse being visited upon people | 5:13:15 | 5:13:19 | |
who aren't getting the necessary help from the police service. | 5:13:19 | 5:13:21 | |
Many women suffer in silence and it becomes a guilty secret. | 5:13:29 | 5:13:33 | |
Anna Lo was one of Northern Ireland's high-profile politicians... | 5:13:35 | 5:13:39 | |
Anna Lo has reached the quota | 5:13:42 | 5:13:44 | |
-and is deemed elected. -CHEERING | 5:13:44 | 5:13:47 | |
..with a reputation for standing up to bullies and paramilitaries. | 5:13:47 | 5:13:51 | |
This is an excuse, we believe, of some elements in Northern Ireland | 5:13:51 | 5:13:58 | |
to try to intimidate and alienate ethnic minority people here. | 5:13:58 | 5:14:04 | |
For the first time, she has decided to speak publicly | 5:14:07 | 5:14:10 | |
about her own experience as a victim of domestic violence | 5:14:10 | 5:14:14 | |
and the breakdown of her marriage to local businessman Gavin Millar. | 5:14:14 | 5:14:18 | |
It was more a... controlling personality, | 5:14:19 | 5:14:23 | |
compounded by a short fuse and a bad temper. | 5:14:23 | 5:14:27 | |
Um, I left him twice, really, after the results of violence. | 5:14:27 | 5:14:34 | |
On the first occasion, um, he was in a bit of a rage, really. | 5:14:34 | 5:14:39 | |
I jumped out of the car when he stopped to turn right and I got out | 5:14:39 | 5:14:45 | |
and then, he turned round... turned the car round | 5:14:45 | 5:14:49 | |
and, er, then he grabbed me, literally dragged me to the car | 5:14:49 | 5:14:55 | |
and punched me inside the car and I got winded. | 5:14:55 | 5:14:59 | |
Um, so there were always excuses, you know, for bad behaviour. | 5:14:59 | 5:15:05 | |
Then I...then I left him. | 5:15:05 | 5:15:09 | |
Not immediately, I left him and then I went back to him | 5:15:09 | 5:15:14 | |
after he had received some months of counselling and therapy. | 5:15:14 | 5:15:20 | |
Then we decided, actually, to get married. | 5:15:20 | 5:15:23 | |
We married in July 2010. | 5:15:23 | 5:15:26 | |
Some might say, why on earth did you marry him? | 5:15:26 | 5:15:29 | |
I married him, because there were good times too. | 5:15:31 | 5:15:34 | |
And also, I always felt he loved me and I loved him and you forgive. | 5:15:34 | 5:15:41 | |
Um, but then, a year later, he hit me | 5:15:41 | 5:15:45 | |
and when, I turned round - to get away, really, from him - | 5:15:45 | 5:15:49 | |
he pushed me and I felt very angry, not just of the assault, | 5:15:49 | 5:15:55 | |
but also the fact that I could not tell people. | 5:15:55 | 5:15:59 | |
I was covering up for him, I was lying to people, | 5:15:59 | 5:16:04 | |
how I was signed off for weeks. | 5:16:04 | 5:16:07 | |
Um, but I told him that, if he ever hit me again, | 5:16:07 | 5:16:13 | |
I would just leave him and it happened again in November. | 5:16:13 | 5:16:16 | |
That was really about 16 months after we got married, in July 2010. | 5:16:16 | 5:16:22 | |
It was almost a light bulb moment, Judith, for me. | 5:16:22 | 5:16:26 | |
Then I just thought, yes, there would always be... | 5:16:26 | 5:16:30 | |
an excuse for hitting me and, if I don't leave now, | 5:16:30 | 5:16:35 | |
my life could be in danger. | 5:16:35 | 5:16:38 | |
He was also controlling. | 5:16:38 | 5:16:41 | |
He admitted to being jealous when we went out together | 5:16:41 | 5:16:48 | |
on functions and events, when people just wanted to talk to me. | 5:16:48 | 5:16:53 | |
So he behaved, on occasions, quite badly, even in public, | 5:16:53 | 5:16:58 | |
um, really feeling that he was being left out. | 5:16:58 | 5:17:03 | |
And I have always, all my life, been honest | 5:17:03 | 5:17:08 | |
and to lie, and to keep up a lie, made me feel ashamed of myself. | 5:17:08 | 5:17:14 | |
And it was that...really that anger that made me think twice | 5:17:14 | 5:17:19 | |
and say, "Right, yes, I had a beautiful home, and a good life, | 5:17:19 | 5:17:26 | |
"I'm walking away, I'm going to lose a lot of money. | 5:17:26 | 5:17:29 | |
"I'm going to lose half of my home," which really belonged to me. | 5:17:29 | 5:17:33 | |
But I know I had to leave. | 5:17:34 | 5:17:37 | |
I know that, if I didn't, it will... | 5:17:37 | 5:17:39 | |
I know it would happen again and again and again. | 5:17:39 | 5:17:43 | |
Anna Lo did not press charges. | 5:17:43 | 5:17:45 | |
I asked her ex-husband to take part, but he declined. | 5:17:45 | 5:17:49 | |
He strongly refuted Anna's account, | 5:17:49 | 5:17:51 | |
but acknowledged there were difficulties in the marriage. | 5:17:51 | 5:17:54 | |
Changes in the law take time. | 5:17:59 | 5:18:02 | |
Meanwhile, victims of attacks have got to get on with their lives. | 5:18:02 | 5:18:05 | |
THEY LAUGH | 5:18:05 | 5:18:07 | |
Since I spoke to Rosie, | 5:18:07 | 5:18:08 | |
her ex-partner has been released from jail. | 5:18:08 | 5:18:12 | |
He has continued to harass her. | 5:18:12 | 5:18:14 | |
She has reported it to the police. | 5:18:14 | 5:18:16 | |
Despite this, she feels she is in a better place. | 5:18:16 | 5:18:20 | |
'I've reconnected with my family and my sisters and my brothers. | 5:18:20 | 5:18:25 | |
'So that's something | 5:18:25 | 5:18:26 | |
'that's really important to me at the moment, like.' | 5:18:26 | 5:18:29 | |
Just the simple things, you know, just being able to leave the house | 5:18:29 | 5:18:33 | |
and go for a cup of coffee without having to ask permission | 5:18:33 | 5:18:36 | |
or be afraid that, you know, I'm going to be accused that | 5:18:36 | 5:18:39 | |
I'm going to meet a fella and not going to meet my sister, you know. | 5:18:39 | 5:18:43 | |
And I know it's scary, the thought of leaving | 5:18:43 | 5:18:46 | |
and what's out there afterwards, but it's... | 5:18:46 | 5:18:50 | |
You know, it's more scary staying. | 5:18:50 | 5:18:52 | |
When you do leave, life does get better. | 5:18:52 | 5:18:55 | |
You have to make that step, you have to do it. | 5:18:55 | 5:18:57 | |
But being a mother to her children again is | 5:18:59 | 5:19:01 | |
the one thing she wants above all else. | 5:19:01 | 5:19:03 | |
I just want to walk down the street with them. | 5:19:05 | 5:19:08 | |
Holding their hands and have no social workers around | 5:19:08 | 5:19:10 | |
and just walk down being a proud mummy and just... | 5:19:10 | 5:19:14 | |
just show the world, "These are my children." | 5:19:14 | 5:19:17 | |
That's all I want to do and I've always said it - | 5:19:17 | 5:19:19 | |
I just want to walk down the street with my children. | 5:19:19 | 5:19:21 | |
'Anna Lo has put the past behind her | 5:19:26 | 5:19:28 | |
'and has a much more positive outlook on life.' | 5:19:28 | 5:19:31 | |
-..this lovely garden and the sunshine. -Yeah. | 5:19:31 | 5:19:33 | |
'I think it is important to value yourself.' | 5:19:33 | 5:19:36 | |
To feel you are someone that is important. | 5:19:37 | 5:19:42 | |
You have equal rights as anybody else. | 5:19:42 | 5:19:45 | |
And if someone is abusing you, why should you tolerate it? | 5:19:45 | 5:19:50 | |
You may love him and he may claim to love you, | 5:19:50 | 5:19:55 | |
but it needs to be an equal partnership. | 5:19:55 | 5:19:58 | |
It needs to be free from intimidation and harassment. | 5:19:58 | 5:20:03 | |
That is not true love. | 5:20:03 | 5:20:05 | |
This type of apple, they are supposed to be, I think, | 5:20:05 | 5:20:08 | |
eating apples. Well, I certainly have eaten them. | 5:20:08 | 5:20:10 | |
'I'm going to really enjoy my retirement, happy and free, | 5:20:10 | 5:20:16 | |
'and not feeling that...' | 5:20:16 | 5:20:19 | |
I'm being restricted in some ways, | 5:20:19 | 5:20:22 | |
that I always have to look over my shoulder, | 5:20:22 | 5:20:25 | |
to watch out whether someone, or my partner, was in a good mood. | 5:20:25 | 5:20:30 | |
Whether I should keep my mouth shut, whether I should watch my... | 5:20:30 | 5:20:34 | |
my, my...my words. | 5:20:34 | 5:20:37 | |
I can do what I want, when I want it, how I want it. | 5:20:37 | 5:20:42 | |
SIREN WAILS | 5:20:44 | 5:20:46 | |
On this journey, it's become clear to me that, | 5:20:58 | 5:21:00 | |
if society is really serious about tackling domestic terror, | 5:21:00 | 5:21:04 | |
some urgent steps are needed. | 5:21:04 | 5:21:07 | |
Firstly, our laws must become tougher. | 5:21:07 | 5:21:11 | |
Secondly, vulnerable women need to know that help is out there. | 5:21:11 | 5:21:14 | |
You don't have to suffer in silence. | 5:21:14 | 5:21:17 | |
And lastly, our children need to know | 5:21:17 | 5:21:20 | |
that violence against women is always wrong, | 5:21:20 | 5:21:23 | |
if future generations are to escape this relentless plague. | 5:21:23 | 5:21:27 |