Gillespie Investigates... Domestic Terror


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I'm Judith Gillespie. For many years, I was a serving police officer here.

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During that time, I saw many things, both bad...

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..and good.

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-JOURNALIST:

-Judith Gillespie now finds herself

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sitting on the Policing Board alongside Sinn Fein.

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Thankfully, as a community, we have moved on.

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Now I've left the police and I'm passing on my experience

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to the next generation at this business class.

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I'm not approaching this from a particularly academic perspective,

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I'm approaching it from the point of view

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that I've been a police officer for 32 years.

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I joined when I was four, of course! LAUGHTER

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So, here, we have some rare photographs

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from my early police career.

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That's Andersonstown Police Station.

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It was one of my very first police stations.

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We've come a long way from the dark days of the past,

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but despite progress in many areas, we still have some serious issues.

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One of them is domestic violence, mainly against women.

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Last year, there were 28,000 incidents.

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WOMAN SOBS

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There's an emergency call like this every 19 minutes.

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And the numbers are going up.

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But behind each number is a victim.

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He put his hands around my throat and pushed me up against the wall

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and he was stamping on me and punching me.

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While assaults on men do happen, up to six women are murdered

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at the hands of their partner or ex-partner every year.

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Thousands are injured.

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Many live in fear and in silence.

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Then he grabbed me, er, literally dragged me to the car

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and punched me inside the car and I got winded.

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All my life, being honest

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and to lie and to keep up a lie made me feel ashamed of myself.

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'So why are some men so violent to women?

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'I want to look those in the eye who beat their partners.'

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Where did you kick her?

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In the chest, the neck and face and head.

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She had multiple breaks and fractures in her cheeks.

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'Most of all, it destroys the lives of our children

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'who carry the scars to the next generation.'

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We've dealt with terrorism in this country for a long time,

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yet we're not recognising the terrorism that happens in homes.

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The question is - are our laws fit for purpose?

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Do we really understand what's going on in people's homes?

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Is each and every one of us doing enough

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to rid our society of this scourge?

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So, we're driving along Stockman's Lane towards West Belfast

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and, when I worked here during the Troubles,

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we always had to be escorted by the Army,

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both for going onto shifts and during the shift.

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And always at the back of your mind was the prospect of an ambush,

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whether by gun, rocket or a bomb attack,

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especially at shift changeover times.

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I can remember attending domestic violence incidents here

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or family rows, as they would've been called in those days,

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where the police would've seen their role as to reconcile the situation,

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rather than deal with the assault and, of course, when we attended,

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it would have been nine male police officers, four soldiers and

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myself, the wee policewoman, to deal with what was quite serious crime.

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It was even risky for the victim to call the police herself.

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But nowadays, that has changed and the police have a policy

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of arresting the alleged perpetrator straightaway.

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'I'm meeting a young woman

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'who was in an abusive relationship for ten years.

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'She's one of a number of women who have bravely decided

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'to tell their stories to me in detail on camera for the first time.'

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The abuse, it didn't start as violence.

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It started out more like emotional abuse, um...

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When I had moved in with him, he was working and I wasn't

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and, like, I didn't really pick up on it at the start.

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Rosie McEntee from County Armagh was in an abusive relationship

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with Darren McKeown from the age of 16.

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They had two children.

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He didn't like me leaving the flat while he was at work, um,

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which I thought he was just... he was just being overprotective.

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Then it got to the stage where he would want me to meet him

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at the bottom of the road when he was getting dropped off

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and he would literally go frantic

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if I wasn't standing at the bottom of the road waiting on him.

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An example of McKeown's aggressive and controlling behaviour

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was captured on this home video.

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'The first time that he was actually physical towards me was'

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when my first child was only two months old.

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Um, my ex had been drinking all day, so he had, um,

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and he arrived home at 12 o'clock at night

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and he came in through the door shouting and demanding

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that I come down the stairs and drink with him.

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I'd no sooner got into bed till he had come running up the stairs

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and into the bedroom and trailed me by the hair out of bed,

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across the bedroom and tried to actually trail me

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down the stairs by the hair.

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I got away from him and I got my phone

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and I locked myself in the bathroom,

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because I was just... I was petrified.

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He had never, ever done anything like that before. He'd...

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He'd only ever used emotional abuse towards me.

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Um, and I was just... I was petrified, so I rang the police.

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McKeown persuaded Rosie to drop her complaint

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and lie to the police.

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I look back now and I know that

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that was the first and most vital mistake that I had made was,

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you know, sending them police away that night, because, literally,

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I just handed him so much power and he knew all he had to do was cry

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and, you know, tell me he was never going to do it again,

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and make me feel guilty, and I would...

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you know, I would back down.

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Rosie finally plucked up the courage to leave him

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after he beat her up outside a pub.

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He kept kicking me, kicking my head off the kerb

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and literally walking up and down the street

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roaring, saying, "Somebody stop me, because I'm going to kill her!"

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and then, kicking me again, um...

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And he had... He got arrested, um, but I wouldn't press charges.

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I wouldn't make a statement, I was too afraid to make a statement.

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Um, and he got released the next morning.

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And when I saw the taxi pull up, I knew it was him, so I ran outside.

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And, when I ran away from him, he grabbed me by the hair

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and trailed me and said, "Where the hell do you think you're going?"

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and trailed me back into the house

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and just kept punching and punching my face.

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With the help of Women's Aid and the PSNI,

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Rosie moved to a refuge and later to a house,

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where she began a new life with her children,

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away from where she used to live.

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Her ex-partner was jailed for nine months,

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but one day, Darren McKeown turned up at her door.

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McKeown trailed Rosie into the street and viciously beat her again.

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I knew that it wasn't going to end well.

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I knew, I just knew!

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I knew by the look in his eyes that his plan was to kill me.

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'With the help of a neighbour and a passing van driver,

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'she managed to escape and call the police.'

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SHE SOBS

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Rosie suffered a number of injuries.

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Her former partner was jailed,

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this time for three years.

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Rosie's children were taken into care.

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She's hoping to get them back.

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SOFT CHATTER

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He is, yeah.

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She tries to be, but...

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I do believe that my children going into the care system, you know,

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has caused them further grief and further, you know, heartache.

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They shouldn't have had to went through

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witnessing the domestic abuse, but then, to be taken away

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from their mother - you know, it wasn't the answer.

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'The Western Trust said that, respecting confidentiality,

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'it does not comment on individual cases.'

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So what advice would you give to a woman, young or old in your position,

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and the first time their partner physically attacks them?

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To get out straightaway and don't...

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You know, don't fall for the same thing that I fell for,

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don't fall for the tears and the excuses

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and the promises that it's not going to happen again, because...

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I know for a fact that, me, if I had pushed forward

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with the police that first time he laid hands on me,

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I wouldn't have went through the years of, you know,

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additional violence and abuse that I went through.

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Um, and I handed him the power.

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Listening to Rosie there,

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she talks about many years of utterly controlling

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and manipulative behaviour by her partner.

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And he completely isolated her from her family and her friends.

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And sometimes, vulnerable women like Rosie just don't realise

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that there is help out there.

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But then, part of me wonders,

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do some of us look the other way when this is happening

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and we just don't want to get involved?

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In England and Wales in December 2015, new legislation was introduced

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to deal with coercive and controlling behaviour,

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but there are no immediate plans in Northern Ireland

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to introduce similar legislation.

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I think I'll go back and I'll ring her again and just offer maybe

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a bit more support, knowing the extra stuff there we've heard and...

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Keeping survivors of domestic violence and their children safe

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involves a whole range of agencies who meet regularly.

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The resources are huge, it costs society millions,

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never mind the human cost.

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An ambulance was tasked and she was taken to hospital.

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She had a fractured wrist,

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which she stated was the result of a recent fall.

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Around this table are social workers, police,

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the Housing Executive and probation officers.

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Along with organisations like Women's Aid, they help survivors

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pick up their lives and assess any further risks to them.

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From our point of view, we could offer temporary accommodation,

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put her in a fully-furnished property,

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and get her out of the situation she's in.

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We could look at extra security,

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just make her as safe as possible in her new home.

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Today, I'm going to visit someone who ended up in a refuge.

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For her and for her children, it was a terrifying experience.

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She's a highly-qualified person

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and her abuser is a highly-qualified professional as well.

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Julie Ann had three children from her first marriage,

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when she met Juan Augusto 12 years ago, here in Northern Ireland

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and lived in County Down.

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Juan, will you take Julie Ann to be your wife?

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They later got married and had two children of their own,

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one of whom has learning difficulties.

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Juan Augusto is a university professor

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and Julie Ann is a health care manager.

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When Julie Ann then began to study part-time to further her career,

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it was a problem for Juan.

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If I needed to travel for work,

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then it was really just absolutely not supported. In fact, it was

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-deemed to be really quite unreasonable.

-Mm-hm.

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And, in fact, he once said I was only doing my PhD

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-to compete with him!

-SHE LAUGHS

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As tensions rose over Julie Ann's career,

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and Juan's controlling behaviour escalated,

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he accused her of being unfaithful.

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There were, um...

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issues, always as an undercurrent, which frequently surfaced.

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He was absolutely convinced I was having an affair,

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which, I mean, is just absolutely ludicrous.

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Thanks to life, that has given me so much...

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One day, Julie Ann arrived home to find Juan in a dark mood.

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When she tried to talk to him, she says he became angry.

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He started charging towards me.

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I could hear him coming back towards me.

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And I faced him and he had this horrendous blackness to his face.

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You know, I mean, anger and, um, his arms outstretched.

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He put his hands around my throat and pushed me up against the wall.

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And the last thing I remember, Judith, was thinking,

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"I hope he doesn't know to carry on strangling after I'm unconscious."

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And then...

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when I came round, I was on the floor, which is a tiled floor,

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and I could feel the blows raining down,

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and he was stamping on me and punching me,

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and he put his hands into my mouth

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and proceeded to try and pull my teeth out,

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and that was absolutely excruciating.

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His wedding ring, um, broke these teeth here.

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He started hitting again.

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And I said, "Juan, I'm sorry, please stop."

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I didn't scream, it was probably not very loud and, at that point,

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it's almost that he became, um, just without any control at all.

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The beating only stopped

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because their eight-year-old daughter intervened.

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She started screaming,

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really, really, really bloodcurdling screaming.

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Consciousness was returning.

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And then, I knew it was her, because she said, you know,

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"Stop it, Pappy, stop it!" in a very demanding way,

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and punctuating her screams.

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I opened my eyes and just saw a sea of blood over the tiled floor.

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Julie Ann managed to flee in absolute terror from the house

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and dialled 999.

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SHE WAILS

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She was taken to hospital and the police came to take a statement.

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Her husband had also called the emergency services.

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He was arrested and charged.

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He told the police he had had "a moment of insanity".

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-What sort of injuries did you have? Can you tell us about those?

-Yes.

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Well, I had broken teeth and a non-displaced fracture of my nose.

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Um, my complete head, though you could only see the face,

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my complete head was just one enormous bruise.

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I had 22 individual and really significant contusions

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across my torso and arm.

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Very, very painful to try and breathe.

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I was really sore, I was really sore.

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I was actually quite worried for Juan as well, um...

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You know, I had genuinely driven home that night thinking,

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"I can't wait to see him. I love my husband so much."

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And...and then, in the hospital, I was thinking, you know,

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"What are the police going to do to him?!

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"He must've gone mad! What's happened?"

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'Julie Ann and her children left the family home for their own safety.'

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I went to live in a women's refuge in Bangor.

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The women in there were priceless.

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But it was not home.

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It was a very tearful moment, looking into a wicker basket with...

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new towels and soap and toothbrushes and things that weren't mine,

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but had been donated by other women.

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And we had to rely on them.

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And then, um...

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to be given a food parcel

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that had been collected by people in a church.

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The support from Women's Aid helped Julie Ann and her children

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get their lives back together, but her ordeal was far from over.

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I'm on my way to Londonderry to meet Marie Brown of Women's Aid

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where a lot of pioneering work is going on.

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Derry has one of the highest rates of reported domestic violence

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in Northern Ireland.

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Marie told me that many women who arrive on the doorstep

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find themselves at greater risk, because they're expecting a baby.

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Sometimes, there's a jealousy of the pregnancy,

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because it's taken her attention away,

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or a jealousy even of the children, because she's not able to function

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to meet his needs in the same way, cos their appearance changes,

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they put on weight, they're not perfect, you know, and even

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the emotional attacks on them about they're fat, they're lazy,

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when really they're just pregnant women who need supported and loved

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and, you know, and cherished and that's quite a difficult...

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And even after having the baby, I mean, one story stands to my mind

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where a young woman came out after having a Caesarean

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and he ripped her staples out,

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because she refused to go and get him alcohol.

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Is it possible, actually, to come out the other end and survive?

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It's important for all women out there

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to know that they can survive this

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and, you know, and it's one of the things that we would say to women

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going through court, um, as terrible as all of this is,

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it's going to be over and you're going to come out the other end.

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'Convicted perpetrators are dealt with by Probation,

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'but the NSPCC has a role as well. It tries to help men

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'who recognise they have a problem and want to change.

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'It's rare for one to talk on camera.

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'Jim, not his real name, chose not to reveal his identity

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'and his voice has been disguised.'

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Tell us about the relationship you had with your partner.

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I had a very good relationship with my partner.

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It was a very happy, very loving,

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caring relationship.

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What actually happened, Jim?

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Um, we had a lovely family day...

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..and the drinking went late on into the night.

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And we had an argument.

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And the argument turned to physical abuse.

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So what exactly happened?

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HE HESITATES

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I wanted to retrieve my child

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from my ex-partner, as things were heated.

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There was screaming and shouting.

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Um...

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..and she tripped...

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she fell...

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..and actually protected the child in the fall.

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But I didn't realise this at the time

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and I went to retrieve my child.

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She wouldn't let go,

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believing I was the one actually capable of hurting my child.

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And I kicked my ex-partner until she let go.

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Where did you kick her?

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In the chest, the neck and face and head.

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She had multiple breaks and fractures in her cheeks

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and her nose and her sinuses.

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There was quite a severe amount of damage caused,

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a lot of swelling, bruising.

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And what would you say

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perhaps to a woman who is in an abusive relationship?

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I'd tell her to walk away now and go and get help.

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I've just come out of a... really difficult conversation,

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which was hard to listen to, with Jim.

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At one level, he's an ordinary guy,

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probably a nice guy if you met him for the first time,

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but at another level, at the flick of a switch,

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he kicks his partner repeatedly in the chest and head

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and all the time while she's holding this very young toddler.

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And I'm left thinking, "What if? What if he'd missed?

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"What if he'd hit the child?" Bad as the injuries were to his partner,

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it could've been so much worse, and I asked him, I probed him,

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"What was the cause of this anger? Where did it come from?"

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But he just didn't want to go there.

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It's almost a year after Julie Ann

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was attacked by her husband Professor Juan Augusto.

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Today, she will face him in court.

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Revisiting those terrifying events will be a painful experience for her.

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He is charged with assault, occasioning actual bodily harm,

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and could go to jail.

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But finding closure and justice can be an agonising process.

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I'm feeling OK, but a wee bit stressed, really...

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-I'll bet you are.

-..and quite emotional.

-Yeah.

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So have you been churning events over in your head?

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I haven't. I think it's just a fear for today.

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You know, I really just don't want to see him again.

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'But her fear of meeting him was unfounded - he failed to turn up.

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'The judge decided to go ahead with the case

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'and heard all the evidence.

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'Juan was convicted and sentenced to three months in jail.

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'A warrant was issued for his arrest in England, where he now lives.'

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One month later, Juan Augusto did appear in court.

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He pleaded guilty to the charge of actual bodily harm,

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but appealed against his jail sentence, claiming that his wife

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had exaggerated the severity of the attack on her.

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It meant that Julie Ann would have to come back to court

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four weeks later to face a man she now feared.

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The strain was clearly telling.

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Absolutely terrified. Really, really frightened today, actually.

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I feel worse today than I did last time.

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But once again, Julie Ann's hopes of closure

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and a chance to move on with her life were crushed.

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After some deliberation, the judge decided to give both parties time to

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"agree the facts of the attack"

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or the case would go to a full hearing yet again.

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Ten days later, Augusto did finally agree

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to his wife's account of what actually happened.

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It's been a real test of endurance.

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You know, there are very many days where I just think...

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I just wish it would go away and I wish it was over

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and I would never have expected that, um...

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you could be put on such a journey.

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You know, the attack was one thing which I hadn't expected,

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but equally, my expectations of what happened to you afterwards,

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they're just... I couldn't have imagined it

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and it is a test of endurance.

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It is a test of endurance, um, but... I just...

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I just hope he... he genuinely is remorseful

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and that, whatever sentence is passed on Friday,

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that he's given time to reflect on, actually,

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the extent of the devastation he brought to the family, so...

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Juan Augusto was given 100 hours community service

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and two years probation.

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But what if he began a new relationship?

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Would his new partner have any way

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of knowing about his previous history?

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It turns out that there is a way. It's known as Clare's Law.

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In England and Wales, a woman can ask the police and other agencies

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to check on a partner's past, if they feel they might be at risk.

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But that law doesn't exist here

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and neither does the coercive control law.

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-Hi, George.

-Hello, how are you?

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-Good to see you again.

-Lovely to see you again.

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-Yeah!

-Welcome back to Antrim Road.

-How are you?

-I'm very well.

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It's good to be back in a police station.

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BOTH LAUGH

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-I can't say it's been painted!

-SHE LAUGHS: No.

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I think Clare's Law comes from

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a very well thought through premise,

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which is, the more information people have, the better decisions

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they can make that keep themselves and children safer.

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So I think, about passing information to people that

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care about someone who may be the victim or survivor of abuse,

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or the potential victim or survivor of abuse, is a good thing.

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I think society needs to make it clear that it won't tolerate abuse,

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and how society makes its opinions known is through law.

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So I think, professionally and organisationally, we'd welcome a law

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that says coercive control is inappropriate,

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it will be prosecuted.

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Coercive control is something that many people may be experiencing

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and perhaps don't themselves recognise, so it's helpful

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to reflect on what a healthy relationship looks like.

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'But despite all the positive action

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'to curb what is a scourge on our society, George believes

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'there are still many victims who have yet to come forward.'

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We're talking about 30% of our cases not being reported to us.

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There's a lot of abuse being visited upon people

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who aren't getting the necessary help from the police service.

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Many women suffer in silence and it becomes a guilty secret.

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Anna Lo was one of Northern Ireland's high-profile politicians...

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Anna Lo has reached the quota

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-and is deemed elected.

-CHEERING

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..with a reputation for standing up to bullies and paramilitaries.

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This is an excuse, we believe, of some elements in Northern Ireland

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to try to intimidate and alienate ethnic minority people here.

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For the first time, she has decided to speak publicly

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about her own experience as a victim of domestic violence

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and the breakdown of her marriage to local businessman Gavin Millar.

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It was more a... controlling personality,

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compounded by a short fuse and a bad temper.

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Um, I left him twice, really, after the results of violence.

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On the first occasion, um, he was in a bit of a rage, really.

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I jumped out of the car when he stopped to turn right and I got out

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and then, he turned round... turned the car round

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and, er, then he grabbed me, literally dragged me to the car

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and punched me inside the car and I got winded.

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Um, so there were always excuses, you know, for bad behaviour.

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Then I...then I left him.

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Not immediately, I left him and then I went back to him

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after he had received some months of counselling and therapy.

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Then we decided, actually, to get married.

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We married in July 2010.

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Some might say, why on earth did you marry him?

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I married him, because there were good times too.

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And also, I always felt he loved me and I loved him and you forgive.

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Um, but then, a year later, he hit me

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and when, I turned round - to get away, really, from him -

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he pushed me and I felt very angry, not just of the assault,

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but also the fact that I could not tell people.

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I was covering up for him, I was lying to people,

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how I was signed off for weeks.

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Um, but I told him that, if he ever hit me again,

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I would just leave him and it happened again in November.

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That was really about 16 months after we got married, in July 2010.

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It was almost a light bulb moment, Judith, for me.

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Then I just thought, yes, there would always be...

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an excuse for hitting me and, if I don't leave now,

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my life could be in danger.

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He was also controlling.

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He admitted to being jealous when we went out together

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on functions and events, when people just wanted to talk to me.

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So he behaved, on occasions, quite badly, even in public,

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um, really feeling that he was being left out.

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And I have always, all my life, been honest

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and to lie, and to keep up a lie, made me feel ashamed of myself.

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And it was that...really that anger that made me think twice

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and say, "Right, yes, I had a beautiful home, and a good life,

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"I'm walking away, I'm going to lose a lot of money.

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"I'm going to lose half of my home," which really belonged to me.

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But I know I had to leave.

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I know that, if I didn't, it will...

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I know it would happen again and again and again.

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Anna Lo did not press charges.

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I asked her ex-husband to take part, but he declined.

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He strongly refuted Anna's account,

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but acknowledged there were difficulties in the marriage.

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Changes in the law take time.

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Meanwhile, victims of attacks have got to get on with their lives.

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THEY LAUGH

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Since I spoke to Rosie,

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her ex-partner has been released from jail.

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He has continued to harass her.

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She has reported it to the police.

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Despite this, she feels she is in a better place.

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'I've reconnected with my family and my sisters and my brothers.

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'So that's something

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'that's really important to me at the moment, like.'

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Just the simple things, you know, just being able to leave the house

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and go for a cup of coffee without having to ask permission

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or be afraid that, you know, I'm going to be accused that

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I'm going to meet a fella and not going to meet my sister, you know.

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And I know it's scary, the thought of leaving

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and what's out there afterwards, but it's...

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You know, it's more scary staying.

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When you do leave, life does get better.

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You have to make that step, you have to do it.

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But being a mother to her children again is

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the one thing she wants above all else.

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I just want to walk down the street with them.

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Holding their hands and have no social workers around

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and just walk down being a proud mummy and just...

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just show the world, "These are my children."

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That's all I want to do and I've always said it -

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I just want to walk down the street with my children.

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'Anna Lo has put the past behind her

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'and has a much more positive outlook on life.'

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-..this lovely garden and the sunshine.

-Yeah.

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'I think it is important to value yourself.'

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To feel you are someone that is important.

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You have equal rights as anybody else.

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And if someone is abusing you, why should you tolerate it?

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You may love him and he may claim to love you,

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but it needs to be an equal partnership.

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It needs to be free from intimidation and harassment.

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That is not true love.

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This type of apple, they are supposed to be, I think,

5:20:055:20:08

eating apples. Well, I certainly have eaten them.

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'I'm going to really enjoy my retirement, happy and free,

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'and not feeling that...'

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I'm being restricted in some ways,

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that I always have to look over my shoulder,

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to watch out whether someone, or my partner, was in a good mood.

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Whether I should keep my mouth shut, whether I should watch my...

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my, my...my words.

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I can do what I want, when I want it, how I want it.

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SIREN WAILS

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On this journey, it's become clear to me that,

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if society is really serious about tackling domestic terror,

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some urgent steps are needed.

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Firstly, our laws must become tougher.

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Secondly, vulnerable women need to know that help is out there.

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You don't have to suffer in silence.

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And lastly, our children need to know

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that violence against women is always wrong,

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if future generations are to escape this relentless plague.

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