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This programme contains some scenes | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Canary Wharf sent the message that peace and war are both options | 0:00:23 | 0:00:31 | |
and neither one is a given. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
There was a sense that these were the militants, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
these were the extremists, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
these were the people against the peace process. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
The IRA repeatedly felt that the only way | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
they could get the British to listen to them is violence. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
-BILL CLINTON: -You must stand firm against terrorists. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
You must say to those who still would use violence | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
for political objectives, "You are the past. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
"Your day is over." | 0:01:11 | 0:01:12 | |
HUGE EXPLOSION | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
SCREAMING AND SIRENS | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
The Docklands bomb pointed into the heart of darkness of the IRA | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
in South Armagh. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
It was the moment of truth. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
ALARMS WAILING | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
The calculation of the IRA was that a bomb in London | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
was worth ten bombs in Belfast. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
And a bomb in a sensitive area was worth a lot more | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
than one in the middle of nowhere. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
We had Baltic Exchange and Bishopsgate, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
which were on a huge scale. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
And, with effectively the city under attack, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
this wasn't just a small car bomb going off, something like that. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
This was causing really very major damage, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
actually destroying buildings, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
which is something London wasn't used to. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
ALARMS WAIL | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
They wanted to demonstrate that they were a force to be reckoned with, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
and, yes, that it was a way of putting pressure on John Major | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
and on the British government. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
So, where are you going to be safe? | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
That was the real concern. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:18 | |
The Docklands area was just really a place, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
a part of London everyone had forgotten about. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
So the development that went into it was really very exciting. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
But the tide was running against the men of violence, at that stage. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
We are demanding of Mr Major's government | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
that he takes decisive steps, now, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
to move the situation forward | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
in a fundamental way | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
and that means fundamental political and constitutional change. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
Clearly, we wanted something that was more than just | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
a temporary ceasefire, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
because we made clear all along we did not wish to negotiate | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
under the duress of a threat to return to violence. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
The United States had always lined up with the British point of view | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
and no American president would have dared to interfere | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
or be seen in Belfast | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
or Northern Ireland before this | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
and, yet, here was Clinton breaking a 225-year tradition, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
and landing in Belfast on Air Force One, so... | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
It was one of the most historic moments I've ever witnessed. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
Clinton coming when he did... | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
..these were moves where the Americans were trying to help us | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
to consolidate a process that was clearly coming under strain. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
The Clinton visit | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
actually produced a fair degree of euphoria. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
There was a degree of scepticism amongst Unionists... | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
but particularly the speech he made and the points which he covered then | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
had a really big impact. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
You must stand firm against terror. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
You must say to those | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
who still would use violence for political objectives, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
you are the past. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:56 | |
Your day is over. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
Violence has no place at the table of democracy. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
The Irish government, the British government, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
the IRA were all locked in stasis at that point. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
And you were looking for some outside force, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
which is what America was always going to provide. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
I felt, arriving in Belfast, that, yeah, there were problems, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
but they were not sufficient enough to break the ceasefire. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Let us join our prayers in this season of peace | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
for a future of peace in this good land. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
But little did we know, little did he know... | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
that the ceasefire was over, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
and that the IRA were planning the Docklands bomb. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
The IRA's so-called England Department, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
the part of the IRA that planned and executed bombings in Britain, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:24 | |
that was run out of South Armagh. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
It was the IRA's heartland, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
an area where they could operate with relative impunity. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
The reputed Chief of Staff of the IRA lives in South Armagh, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
on the border. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
You've also got IRA snipers here, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
"Sniper at work" signs on the lampposts. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
The sniper team in South Armagh | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
was pretty high profile and certainly being very effective | 0:08:18 | 0:08:24 | |
for the Provisional IRA. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:25 | |
The shooting happened just after 1:30 on the outskirts | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
of Crossmaglen. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
The soldier was a member of the foot patrol, when a gunman opened fire. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
Locals reported hearing one shot. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
The soldier was hit in the chest and died a short time later... | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
They would have shot from the car, a mile away perhaps. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
The soldier or police officer was killed, car left the scene. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
They had built up a reputation. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
You know, signs on the streets. "Watch out, snipers about." | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
It was definitely mentally very draining. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
We knew the terrorists. We knew them well, actually. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
We knew very much who was doing what. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
I mean, yes, they were pretty hard to catch. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
We were consistently hearing the same thing... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
that the Unionists really didn't trust this process | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
and they needed the decommissioning, in order to have their own politics | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
moving forward, and the Nationalists were... | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
..really in need of some more from the peace process, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
to show progress for this end of this violence. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
I personally never supported the violence, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
I thought it made it harder. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
Others in the IRA felt that it was the only way to get | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
the British to talk to you. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:18 | |
CAMERAS CLICKING | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
Almost anybody concerned with the health of the peace process | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
was very worried about the lack of progress | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
towards the comprehensive negotiations that had been promised | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
and then, Sir Patrick Mayhew put decommissioning on the table | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
as a new precondition for political talks. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
We can't and, therefore, we won't, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
fudge the issue of arms and explosives. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
We don't ask for everything all at once, that would not be realistic. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
But if Sinn Fein and the other parties associated | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
with the paramilitaries have truly given up justifying violence, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
then there is no longer any need for paramilitary weapons, is there? | 0:10:56 | 0:11:02 | |
INTERVIEWER: Could we say that speech by Patrick Mayhew | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
set in train the events that led us ultimately to Docklands? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
I think any analyst who comes to write the history, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
with the benefit of records and so on, in the future will, I think, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
give it a significant place. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
In my view, that was probably the single most serious mistake | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
made by any of the governments involved in the peace process. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
The IRA guns are silenced. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
That we have this unprecedented opportunity for peace | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
and that we must build upon it, and move the entire situation on, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
and that includes, of course, the decommissioning of all the weapons. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
How are you, Peter? I'm glad we are sharing this moment of history. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Certainly I, and, I think, others, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
didn't anticipate just what a difficulty | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
decommissioning was going to turn out to be. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
I mean, I think we counted every month in 1995 | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
where there hadn't been any killings was a bonus. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
But later that summer, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
there was a preoccupation with the problems over the marches | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
and Drumcree. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:25 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:12:31 | 0:12:32 | |
What I remember the concern being in the centre of government, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:48 | |
in Number Ten, was doing what we could, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
grasping at the positive initiatives | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
that would help to keep the process going. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
CAMERAS CLICKING | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
We had to try to figure out a way to create a process | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
that would permit the entry of the paramilitary groups to negotiations, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:41 | |
but at the same time, allow the constitutional parties to stay in. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
On both sides. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
The mechanism that the British government had chosen, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
prior decommissioning of weapons, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
simply wasn't feasible. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
None of the paramilitaries would agree to it, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
and even some of those who advocated it publicly, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
said to us privately, "We know it won't work. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
"You guys have got to figure out a way around this." | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
CROWD SHOUTING | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
When the president decided to go to Northern Ireland, in the fall, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:28 | |
it was really frustrating, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
because there was just no movement on the peace process. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
The decommissioning had become an issue | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
way out of proportion, in the nationalist community's view. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
And we knew that Adams was trying to avoid a split in the IRA, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
that the entire IRA was not on board. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
INTERVIEWER: Do you remember, through that period in 1995, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
hearing any concerns about a split within the Republican movement, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
if the British government and the Unionists stuck to this demand | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
that decommissioning would have to happen first? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Yes, I do remember talk of that, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
but... And I remember there was some intelligence reports about that. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
CROWD SHOUTING AND CHEERING | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
They gave them a little running room to see, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
but if it didn't deliver on the agenda for the nationalist community | 0:15:21 | 0:15:28 | |
they would pull the plug out from him. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
We knew he was walking quite a tightrope. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
This was huge symbolism | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
and that was the moment that seemed to crown the trip. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
But then Gerry came over, after the handshake, and came with us, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
and said, "Come with me", and we went down the street. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
We were asked to go to a particular house in West Belfast, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
and we arrived, really not expecting what happened. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
Niall O'Dowd and I met with Gerry Adams, just himself, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
and he told us that if the peace process didn't bear fruit quickly, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:30 | |
the ceasefire was not going to last. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
There was a very dire message, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
which was given to us in no uncertain terms. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
Gerry said, "When are they going to stop kicking the dog? | 0:16:49 | 0:16:55 | |
"The dog is sleeping"... | 0:16:55 | 0:16:56 | |
..being the IRA. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
It's not engaged in actions. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
Whether it has arms or not is really not the key, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
it's a question of whether it uses arms. That... | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
And the more they kick the dog, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
the more the dog is going to wake up and go back to its old habits. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
In this tiny Belfast housing estate, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
we were told very much that, no, things were very bad, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
that we could expect something very bad, unless something improved. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
INTERVIEWER: You were being told by Gerry Adams, effectively, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
that the ceasefire was over | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
and that this was the fault of the British government? | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
Well, I don't know we that we were told that it was over, per se, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
we were told that it would be over, unless... | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
And the "unlesses" were talks, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
and a deferral of the decommissioning issue. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
For people to do their holiday shopping | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
without worry of searches or bombs. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
To visit loved ones on the other side of the Border | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
without the burden of checkpoints or roadblocks. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
To enjoy these magnificent Christmas lights | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
without any fear of violence. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
Peace has brought real change to your lives. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
We definitely felt, leaving that house, it was on the brink. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
And we went to the town hall in Belfast thinking, "My God. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
"This might be the worst-ever moment of the whole thing, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
"where it should be the happiest one." | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
That was a pretty stiff, cold bucket of water | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
thrown over my high expectations. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
Ten... | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
ALL: Nine... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
eight... | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
seven... | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
six... | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
five... | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
four... | 0:19:02 | 0:19:03 | |
three... | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
two... | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
One! | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
So, when President Clinton was here, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
speaking at the front of City Hall, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
and telling terrorists that their day was over, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
South Armagh was already preparing to bomb London? | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Yes. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
-I said it then, I'll say it now. -That's a fact? -Yeah. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
-They would have had to have been doing that? -Absolutely. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
You just don't wake up in the morning and say, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
"I'm going to bomb London" and load it up that night. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
The workforce, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
the active people that come in and load the heavy-duty stuff | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
into the lorry, to them, it's just a job, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
you know, they'll not know the target, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:56 | |
they'll not know where it's going. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
They'll know it's a bomb, because that's what they're packing, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
and you know, weeks, months later, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
it happens. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:04 | |
I mean, South Armagh IRA has always been very much based | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
around families, interconnected by marriage, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
but you know, you're talking about six or eight families | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
of brothers and sons, sometimes grandsons, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
sometimes working together on the same operation. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
This is where trust, you know, ran through people's blood. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
CHOPPER WHIRRING | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
There was a sense that these were the militants, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
these were the extremists, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
these were the people against the peace process. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
These were very dangerous people, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
who had a number of other skills and tactics. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
It's the sort of skills you find in rural communities, you know, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:34 | |
where you want to be mending your own farming equipment yourself, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:39 | |
you want to be able to weld, and put your tractor back together again, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
and where you find the tools about that you need, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
and you find odd pieces of angle iron and aluminium | 0:21:48 | 0:21:55 | |
to build the truck that they did. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
It was an unusual-looking vehicle, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
and the bomb was buried deep into the fabric of the vehicle, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
and welded into place, so that it could survive... | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
As long as the terrorists kept their nerve, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
it could survive a cursory search. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
The first time it comes over, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
on 15th January, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
there is no bomb inside the vehicle, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
so the dummy run gave them the opportunity | 0:22:47 | 0:22:53 | |
to test the various security systems, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
you might call them, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
or chokepoints, where they might be at greater risk on the way in. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:04 | |
Looking for traffic officers on the route, | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
all the things that might cause them risk. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
They fitted it up with a tachograph and everything, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
it looks like what it is, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
which is a vehicle that is being used to transport | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
second-hand vehicles to and from Ireland. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Napoleon said time spent on reconnaissance is rarely wasted. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
We said in our report | 0:24:05 | 0:24:06 | |
that we did not think prior decommissioning was feasible, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
but we suggested the possibility | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
of parallel negotiation and decommissioning, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
that you begin talks | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
and you try to do both talk and decommissioning in parallel. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
We approached it with a sense of urgency | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
because we believe that is what the situation demands. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
I think we were a little bit... | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
..shocked, in a way, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
by the idea he came up with of parallel decommissioning. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
While the decommissioning of arms may be segregated in theory, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
in the real life of Northern Ireland, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
it is interwoven with many other issues | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
and with much history. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
John Major chose to deal with it in a particular way, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
by not focusing on that particular bit of his report, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
but by picking up the idea which was, sort of, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
buried rather obscurely in the report, about elections. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
We believe, that in the light of the Mitchell Report, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
there are two ways in which all-party negotiations | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
can now be taken forward. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
The first is for paramilitaries to make a start | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
to decommissioning before all-party negotiations. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
They can, if they will. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
If not, the second is to secure a democratic mandate | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
for all-party negotiations | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
through elections especially for that purpose. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
Would he now fix a date for all-party talks, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
rather than the 17 months that he has wasted up till now? | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
CLAMOURING | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
And could I... | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
I live with it, you don't. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
CLAMOURING | 0:25:42 | 0:25:43 | |
It was clear that, despite the Clinton visit, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:52 | |
despite the Mitchell initiative, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
that John Major just couldn't bring himself | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
to do what needed to be done. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
I always saw John Major as the guy who, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
if you start with the Downing Street Declaration, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
he knew there was a door, the door was open, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
he peeked through the door, but he could never go through the door. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
I think there wouldn't have been Canary Wharf | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
if the British reaction to the Mitchell proposal had been, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
"OK, talks start on March 1" | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
and, you know, "We'll follow this formula." | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
If the ceasefires were to break down, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
we might receive very little, if any, warning and without doubt, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
many of the key targets would, as before, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
be on this side of the water. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
I don't think we necessarily thought that, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
"OK, this is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
"This is the last thing that's going to break the ceasefire," | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
but in any case, we had to react in the way that we had to react | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
and everybody has to, sort of, take their positions in these things | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
and then try and work it out from there. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
Although we didn't think it was going to help, I don't think | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
we thought that this was necessarily the end of the peace process. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
I don't know that I ever said, "Well here it comes, here comes the bomb." | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
I don't think I would ever rule out myself to do that, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
almost becoming complicit in the bomb. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
They know exactly what they're doing | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
and where they're going to go to. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
They absolutely replicate the dummy run. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
They stay the night in Carlisle, in the truck stop. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
And then head all the way towards London. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
Here you are on the old agenda once again. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
The guns have been silenced for the last 18 months. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
I mean, would you prefer they weren't silenced? | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
Mr Adams knows that those guns should never have been used | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
in the first instance. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
They keep on saying they're now silent and give themselves | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
a pat on the back. It's a lot of codswallop. He knows that. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
At River Road, I would think they're a bit nervous by that time. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:55 | |
They were driving from River Road in the East End of London... | 0:29:06 | 0:29:11 | |
..to put it right in the heart of the Docklands. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
They know that they have to put the vehicle down, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
tell whoever is in control that the vehicle is in place, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:36 | |
then the calls can go in, "There's a big bomb in the Docklands." | 0:29:36 | 0:29:42 | |
There's clearly two of them. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
And they park it, set the...set the timer... | 0:29:57 | 0:30:04 | |
get out and walk away. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Typical Friday evening. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
The six o'clock bulletin being put to bed. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
I've sat there at the news desk and a phone call came through. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:31 | |
A Northern Ireland accent, a man said, from six o'clock that evening, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
the IRA ceasefire would end. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Initially, there was a sense of disbelief. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
A friend of mine came down and said, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
"Come on, let's go and have a glass of wine." | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
I started getting messages - "Phone the commissioner, urgently." | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
And I hadn't even got the glass up to my lips. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
And they just kept coming. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
I was in the White House, in the West Wing, and I got a call | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
from Gerry Adams that he'd been hearing things, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
basically warning us that he thought this was going to happen. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
I had a call from Nancy Soderberg, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
because they'd also heard from Sinn Fein that, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
I don't know exactly what the message was, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
but I think it was to the effect that, from Gerry Adams, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
that, "The ceasefire's going to break and it's not my fault." | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
-HE LAUGHS -Erm, something like that. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
We go over to Peter Sissons in the newsroom, for a news report. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
According to reports on the Irish state broadcaster RTE, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
in Dublin, the IRA has broken off its ceasefire. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
The television and radio station received a call, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
claiming to be from the IRA, early this evening. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
And frankly, my first reaction was, "RTE have got excited about this. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
"This doesn't make sense. There's just no point in, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
"from the point of view of the Republican movement, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
"in having a ceasefire and then resorting to violence." | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
It was only going to do damage to the Republican movement. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
The Commissioner said to me, "The ceasefire is broken | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
"and we think there's a bomb in the Docklands." | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
The IRA, they said, "You've got an hour to clear the area." | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
And they were desperately clearing it. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
At six o'clock, I came on duty. I reported to my control centre. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
I placed on my uniform and I went to work. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
RADIO CHATTER | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
At about 6:30 to 6:45, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
Inam phoned up, saying that, "We've been told to leave the premises." | 0:33:01 | 0:33:07 | |
RADIO CHATTER | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
I could hear John Jeffries, one of our members of staff, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
could hear him in the background laughing and joking. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
I think he was talking to PC McGrath. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
And Inam was saying, "We're coming out, we're going, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
"we're just going to make the premises safe and we're leaving." | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
I started to realise something might have gone wrong | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
when I saw police vehicles in the road. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
But we had no warning whatsoever there was a bomb in Marsh Wall. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
We had no warning whatsoever. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
RADIO CHATTER | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
LOUD EXPLOSION | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
We saw this whoosh of light, a long, flat flash across the horizon. | 0:33:55 | 0:34:03 | |
You could see, looking right across London, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
it was a big bomb had gone off. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
SOBBING, WHIMPERING | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
Initially, I thought, "Where's that light...?" | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
I thought, "Well, that's... Where's that come from?" | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
And then, then, actually, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
I was blown into the air and I woke up with all rubble on top of me. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:31 | |
SIRENS | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
I couldn't hear, initially, very well. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
Erm... I dug my way out the wreckage. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
Erm... | 0:34:41 | 0:34:42 | |
And I remember thinking... I knew I was alive. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
I knew I was alive at that time. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
But I remember thinking to myself, where had everything gone? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
And I could see people on the road... | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
some with horrific injuries. Appalling injuries. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
About 7:10, one of my sellers that work at Fleet Street with us | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
said, "Look, a bomb's gone off around Docklands, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
"have you heard anything?" I said, "No, let me call the shop quickly, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:14 | |
"but they haven't reported in." | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
So I called, called, called, numerous times | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
and we went straight to...the scene. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
And it was all cordoned off. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
We were told by a police officer that, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
"Look, all the injured people | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
"have been moved to different hospitals." | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Hundreds of people are injured by flying glass. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
A scene of utter devastation, you know, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
like anything you've ever seen in a movie, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
and, you know, that sort of flickering light | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
from the Fire Brigade and torches and all that, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
like a scene from the apocalypse. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
Shortly before six o'clock this evening... | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
Can you speak up, please? | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
Shortly before six o'clock this evening, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
there were a series of warnings, coded, of a recognised nature, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:08 | |
that brought the police and the emergency services here. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
Whilst they were clearing the scene, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
an explosion occurred at seven o'clock. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
There have been a number of casualties. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
It's too early to say the precise nature of those casualties. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
The Metropolitan Police has never dismantled its ability | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
to respond quickly to this kind of incident. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
Thank you. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:35 | |
Irish violence returned to the streets of Britain tonight, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
cruelly, unexpectedly and with a deafening retort. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
Even at lunchtime today, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:44 | |
Sinn Fein leaders were talking about the ceasefire holding. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
Tonight, they were nowhere to be seen. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
-Are we ready to go? -Yes, we are. I am. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
-Gerry Adams, did you know this was going to happen? -No, of course not. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
Why did you not know? | 0:37:11 | 0:37:12 | |
I mean, you've had this whole run-up to the ceasefire, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
where you were advising the IRA, you persuaded them | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
that the best option was to go with the nationalist consensus, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
you've at times attempted to preserve that ceasefire since. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
It seems outrageous and strange that they would take a decision like this | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
without consulting either you or some of your senior colleagues. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
Well, none of the senior Sinn Fein people | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
and presumably none of the Sinn Fein people were consulted | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
and it's no surprise the IRA would not consult Sinn Fein | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
about military operations. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
'You look at it and you think, where do you start, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
'with this scale of devastation?' | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
How do you even begin? | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
Stay to the swept area, please. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
-JOHN MAJOR: -Sinn Fein must decide | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
whether they are a front for the IRA, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
or a democratic political party | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
committed to the ballot and not to the bullet. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
BILL CLINTON: The people of Great Britain do not deserve | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
to have this violence wreaked upon them. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
We will not stop in our efforts until peace has been secured. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
Do you look back now and see it as an intelligence failure? | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
Well, it WAS an intelligence failure, in the sense that | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
whenever anything like that happens | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
and you don't know and you can't prevent it, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
it is, in that sense, an intelligence failure. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
But, erm, there have been | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
a lot of intelligence failures over the years. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
I think it was suggested that this had come from South Armagh. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
Within the first few days, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
48 hours, I would have thought, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
the finger was pointing towards the engineers in South Armagh. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:03 | |
Did you immediately think that South Armagh... | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
-Yes. Yes. -..IRA were responsible for this? | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
The only ones it could have been. South Armagh. And I was right. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
You knew straightaway? | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
Instinctively knew. Didn't know through anybody telling me. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
Just instinctively knew, "That has to be South Armagh." | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
We know this vehicle has been in the border area | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
for a considerable time, between November of '95 and January of '96. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:34 | |
Did you see it parked outside somebody's house | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
in the last few weeks? Have you seen somebody working on it? | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Perhaps you work in the motor trade, perhaps in the conversion industry, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
have you seen somebody working on this vehicle? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
We make the appeal and show the picture of the truck. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
A call, number several hundred, comes in | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
from somebody who clearly knows what he's talking about, | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
who says, "I'm telling you, that truck was here | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
"at River Road, Barking, on this piece of waste ground." | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
Exhibit officers go out there, talk to him, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
look at what they've got, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:13 | |
instantly recognise that they've got something very useful here and said, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
"We've got to fingertip search this and see what we've got here." | 0:41:18 | 0:41:24 | |
That gives us the Truck & Driver magazine. We find the tachographs. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:34 | |
Anything else inflammable inside the tyre, I think | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
they would probably have wanted to burn it. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
That was their MO, get rid of anything. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
So I think it was probably taken out of the vehicle to be burnt | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
so it would disappear. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
I think they were spooked at that point, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
that there's some suggestion that there was engineers working nearby, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
or maybe even the people who gave us the information | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
showed too much interest in them and they didn't get to burn it. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
That gives us a thumbprint on that magazine, so you've got a start. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:20 | |
We eventually track back to where that was bought | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
and you start matching the tachograph with the CCTV | 0:42:27 | 0:42:33 | |
from the motorway, so you get to track the bomb vehicle backwards, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:39 | |
if you like, up to Carlisle. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
That gets us to room 107 in the truck stop. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:53 | |
It's lucky that the cleaner hadn't polished the ashtray, | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
because there is his thumbprint on that. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
They get to Stranraer, get the ticket back from the ferry | 0:43:09 | 0:43:14 | |
and there is his thumbprint on the Stenna ticket. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:19 | |
The initial three thumbprints, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
which tell us that we can link the three sites, are, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
one, on the trucking magazine, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:33 | |
two, on the ashtray in the truck stop at Carlisle | 0:43:33 | 0:43:38 | |
and, three, on the ticket | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
for the ferry that brings it over. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
So, here we've got three thumbprints. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
We went through all our records and there was nothing coming up, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
which is quite unusual because, nine times out of ten, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
we would have had suspects in custody at some point | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
through the Troubles and they would've been fingerprinted. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
So for us not to get a hit, | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
if you like, on that was quite significant. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
We had evidence from the bits of truck | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
that looked as though they had been cut from something else. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:48 | |
So, you were looking for... | 0:44:48 | 0:44:49 | |
it might just be an inch chopped off to make it fit, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
or filings. It was that sort of stuff we were looking for. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:58 | |
We also knew that the truck had been painted a different colour, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
so there would be paint splashes that you can perhaps match. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:07 | |
Now, none of those things | 0:45:07 | 0:45:08 | |
would prove an individual was attached to it, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
but it might give us that that was where the truck | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
had been made or adapted. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
Then, together, that would begin to give you a picture. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:22 | |
That operation, in personnel, planning, finance, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:32 | |
was probably the largest I've ever witnessed. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
If successful, it had the opportunity | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
of literally taking out a team in South Armagh. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:44 | |
Were you sceptical about its, um... | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
its ambitions? | 0:45:50 | 0:45:51 | |
Not sceptical. However... the longer you leave evidence, | 0:45:54 | 0:46:00 | |
the less opportunity you have of getting it | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
and that could be for a whole lot of reasons - weather, contamination - | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
so, for an investigator, as I would have been, yeah, I would probably | 0:46:07 | 0:46:13 | |
put the chances quite low in getting what they were setting out to get. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
LOUD EXPLOSION | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
It was a Saturday morning and, I think, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
the morning of Trooping the Colour | 0:46:45 | 0:46:46 | |
when we suddenly heard that news, which was very grim. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
A huge lorry bomb devastated Manchester city centre, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
injuring 200 people, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
the first time the IRA had struck | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
since the Docklands bomb in February. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
From a criminal investigation point of view, we were struggling... | 0:47:01 | 0:47:06 | |
to put it mildly. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:07 | |
We needed solid, solid evidence. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
So we were not getting that and we were aware we weren't getting it | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
and, from my point of view and my team's point of view, | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
the morale was low because we weren't achieving, cos it was... | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
it would've been our team that would've put them away, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
so we were starting to feel that weight on our shoulders. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
23-year-old Lance Bombardier Stephen Restorick | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
was shot as he chatted to a motorist... | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
The soldier died after being hit by a single bullet | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
while manning a vehicle checkpoint. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
When that happened, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:28 | |
we were full-on, in terms of we knew that this was it. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:33 | |
They would have gone to a vantage point, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
waited for an opportunity, and the opportunity, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
if it had presented itself, they would have shot a soldier dead. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
The opportunity didn't present itself. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
On the way back, the wheel literally came off their vehicle | 0:49:33 | 0:49:38 | |
and I think you could see quite clearly that the axle | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
had gone into this farm. You could see the mark, the arc. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
So they couldn't take the trailer anywhere. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:10 | |
They came back the next day | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
and there was a reception committee waiting for them | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
and they were detained by the British Army. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
The police have confirmed that two rifles have been recovered. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
One was a Barrett .50 with a telescopic sight | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
and the other an AK-47 assault rifle. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
A number of arrests have been made, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
although police have not confirmed how many. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
I was at a Bryan Adams rock concert | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
and I got a phone call, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
"OK, we've arrested the sniper team," and I said, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
"Congratulations, that's wonderful." | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
"We've got the car," um... | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
"We got the rifle," um... | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
"And we've got them all alive," | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
which was really good, and he said... | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
"And the fingerprint officers had a look | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
"at the first set of fingerprints | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
"they've taken from the people they've arrested," | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
he said, "And your..." He just took one look at it | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
and he said, "This is the triple thumbprint man." | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
Once they'd got his complete set, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
they identified that McArdle was | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
up to his neck in the Docklands. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
Not only was he caught for being in the car, with the rifle, | 0:51:40 | 0:51:47 | |
but also he was the suspect in the Canary Wharf bomb | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
and that was, in the policing world, that was just like, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
you know, it was like winning the lottery. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
This was a very clean arrest operation. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
It's a very fragile political process | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
and I'm sure that that filtered down, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
right down to the SAS, and I think that, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
if there had been half a dozen IRA martyrs created that day, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
then the peace process could have taken a very different turn. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
It's fascinating that Bernard McGinn was even part of the team, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
because he was from County Monaghan so he wasn't a South Armagh man. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
There's this sort of sense that they were betrayed | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
by somebody who wasn't one of them, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:05 | |
and, you know, there will still be questions | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
about why you allowed an outsider, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
an outsider being someone not from South Armagh, into that operation. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
And, once he started talking, it all came tumbling out. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:20 | |
He gave names of the IRA volunteers. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
He talked about Michael Caraher being the sniper | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
on the Lance Bombardier Restorick operation, | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
when Bernard McGinn had ridden shotgun in the passenger seat | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
with an AK-47, and that Michael Caraher had actually taken the shot. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
He gave the names of the people who mixed the Docklands bomb | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
and so it was the kind of information | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
that the British authorities | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
very, very rarely got about South Armagh and it was a real break, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
not just in the sniper investigation, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
but in the Docklands investigation. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
The bomb truck would have had to have come probably right round | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
and then up Marsh Road, so it's on the right, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
on this side of the road, to park. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:44 | |
Bits of the bomb truck finished up in the dock. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
Bits finished up half a mile down there. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
It was very, very good teamwork | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
and it includes the Royal Ulster Constabulary, | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
it includes MI5 and the intelligence people, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
it includes the British Army, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
not to mention elements of the Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:12 | |
This was the United Kingdom Anti-terrorism plc. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:19 | |
-JOHN MAJOR: -Those negotiations will start on 10th June. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
We're determined not to allow terrorism | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
to interfere with the democratic process. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
There can be no ministerial talks with Sinn Fein | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
and nor can Sinn Fein take part in negotiations | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
without a restoration of the ceasefire. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
The great irony, to me, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
is Canary Wharf got the Republicans to the table. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:04 | |
The British are so much...the words are here and the actions are there. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:11 | |
And the actions of the British are, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
"Yes, you can bomb your way to the conference table." | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
That's really what Canary Wharf was. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
It was the moment of truth. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
It was the moment that sent the message that... | 0:56:22 | 0:56:28 | |
peace and war are both options | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
and neither one is a given. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 |