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Could you turn it up a little bit?

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Pop star Cheryl is a multi-platinum selling artist and performer.

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# We gotta fight, fight, fight Fight for this love... #

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Performing, for me, has always been a huge part of my life.

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My mother always said to me that I came out of her knowing

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what I wanted to do, and who I was.

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Cheryl rose to fame on the TV talent show Popstars: The Rivals,

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winning a place in the band Girls Aloud.

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After a series of top ten hits, Cheryl joined the judging panel

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on The X Factor and launched her solo career.

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Now, as one of the most photographed women in the world,

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she's graced the covers of magazines like Vogue.

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I'm quite extrovert in the performance side

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and the show business side, I guess. That's where I let loose,

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but in my private, everyday life I'm quite reserved.

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I'm quite shy in a lot of ways.

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Born Cheryl Tweedy in 1983, Cheryl grew up

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on a Newcastle council estate in a large family.

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There was five kids in the house, so it was always crazy.

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And it was always nice being one of many, you know,

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you felt like a little gang, a little team.

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I was always at dance class,

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which was just a tiny little dance studio above the Co-op, actually.

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But I absolutely loved it.

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I was there, like, three or four days a week,

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from tiny, from three.

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Nothing, like, glamorous, if you like, just hard work.

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Cheryl now lives in London,

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but is proud of her roots and wants to know more about

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her family's history.

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Over the years, as you get a bit older you start to wonder, right,

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where do I come from?

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I feel like I should be deeply rooted to the north-east.

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I would think so.

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I feel that way.

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Me dad, I think, is Geordie to the core,

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and has been for centuries.

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My mother's side of the family always feels a bit more mysterious,

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for some reason. I just would really like to have

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those questions answered once and for all.

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That sounded really good.

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No more.

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One more? One more for luck?

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-Yeah, why not?

-OK.

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Cheryl's family still live in Newcastle,

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so she's decided to start her search there.

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Her youngest brother, Garry,

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is giving her a lift back to their old neighbourhood.

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This is just, literally, where I grew up, all these roads.

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That's the church, which used to be the bingo.

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-Church?

-Yeah.

-There's no bingo?

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The bingo has moved into the church.

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-What?

-They've done a swap. There's Heaton Bingo Club, in the church.

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-You're joking?

-They have swapped around.

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-For what reason?

-And now the church is the bingo,

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-and the bingo is the church.

-That's crazy.

-It's so random, isn't it?

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I used to work in that cafe.

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JJ's. It's still called JJ's.

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Cheryl's parents separated when she was 11.

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Her dad, Garry Snr, still lives in the same area.

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Cheryl wants to find out what he knows about the family history.

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Dad!

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-Hi, sweetheart.

-You all right?

-Aye, come in.

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-I haven't seen you for a while.

-I know.

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I've got a few photos I want to show you.

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Well, I know him.

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-Well, that would be me.

-God, how old are you on there?

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-I'm 17.

-17.

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-Yeah.

-I've got your face shape on there.

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I'm a proper Tweedy, like, aren't I?

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Yeah. That's your grandad, with Uncle George.

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Garry's father, Brian Tweedy, died in 1980

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when Garry was just 17 years old.

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We lost our dad at the age of 39.

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-Do you remember him, Da?

-Yeah, sure, yeah.

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As much as you can remember somebody for 17 years.

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I know, it's crazy. It's mad now that I'm, like, in my 30s,

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to think he's just a few years older than me when he died.

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That's your great-grandad.

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-What's his name?

-William.

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-William Tweedy?

-Billy, he used to get.

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He was a crane driver in the shipyards.

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So we've been here for at least three generations?

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At least, yeah. And that's Nora, that's your great-gran, with Bill.

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So she was your nana?

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Yes. My nana, your great-gran.

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-Nora?

-Nora, yeah.

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What a nice name.

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-Nora.

-Nora.

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And the last one I've got is Nora's mam.

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-Nora's mam?

-Yeah.

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So your great-gran?

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So that's my great-great-gran?

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-That picture?

-Yes.

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-Kelso.

-Kelso?

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That was her name then, yeah. Kelso. Mary Kelso.

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Aye, Mary Kelso.

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It's amazing to have photographs though,

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not just names.

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They've all got good teeth.

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-What's that?

-Well, I've got hold of a copy of a family tree,

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and it's mainly to do with me dad's side.

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From me, moving up the Tweedy side, coal miners.

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Coal miners.

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And we move up through the Kelsos, and particularly this...

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I know nothing about that.

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Mariners, sailors.

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-No way.

-Yeah.

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So there's James Laing, mariner.

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John Wood Laing, mariner.

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Wife, Caroline.

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And then the father of those is also a mariner.

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-Yeah.

-So that's two generations. I didn't see that coming at all.

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Not at all. Coal miners, yeah, maybe.

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And I really love that idea, but mariners...

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That's a different thing altogether, isn't it?

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See, it's interesting, because I hate the sea.

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I've always been afraid of it.

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And I used to have really bad dreams when I was little

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about drowning in the sea, being an old woman with her headscarf on,

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and I was the old woman.

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-Well, there you are then.

-Isn't that weird?

-Mm-hmm.

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Very funny. So I hope you've got your sea legs.

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Cheryl's discovered that on her father's side she's descended from

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a family of mariners called the Laings.

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She wants to know more about her seafaring ancestors.

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She's come to the Discovery Museum in Newcastle to meet Carolyn Ball,

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who runs the archives.

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-Hi.

-Hi, so I was wondering if you could help me a bit?

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I can try.

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I've brought over this family tree, which is basically, at the moment,

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-all I have.

-OK.

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And I was looking through it all, but I'm really focused,

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and want to know more about these three mariners up here.

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OK.

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John Wood's quite an unusual sort of name.

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So what we found is what's called a mariner's ticket,

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which we've got here,

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which is what they would need to go to sea.

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-Right.

-So if I just take it very carefully out of that for you,

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and if you want to have a look.

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So it says John Wood Laing, born...

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..North Shields, 1826.

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30th of January.

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It looks as though he went to sea as a mariner's apprentice.

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How old was he? He was... 1845, so he was 19.

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Oh, wow. Super young.

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-Five foot six.

-He wasn't particularly tall, five foot six.

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Nothing changed there then.

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"Brown hair. Fair complexion.

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"Marks on person - cut on forehead."

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Wow, that's his signature.

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Yeah. This is what allowed him to go on board ship,

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and to actually sail around the world.

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It was his permit, if you like, to work.

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It's crazy to think that I'm holding it, and he used to hold it.

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-Yeah.

-Isn't it?

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Yeah, and it would be a really important document for him as well.

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-So it was crucial...

-It gives you the chills.

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Cheryl's four-times great-grandfather, John Wood Laing,

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started work as an apprentice mariner in the 1840s.

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By this time, Britain was a powerful seafaring nation,

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and ruled an empire that stretched from North America to India.

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Trade was its lifeblood,

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and mariners like John in Britain's expanding merchant service

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were crucial to transporting goods and people across the world.

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It was a career that offered adventure and opportunity.

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We did find something else about John Wood Laing.

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-Right.

-So we wondered whether you would like to have a look at that?

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-I'd love to.

-OK.

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I'm not going to tell you what this is.

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Perhaps you'd like to open it and have a look.

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Oh.

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Wow.

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-That's him?

-That's him.

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Wow. And is that Caroline?

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Yeah, that's Caroline.

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He's amazing.

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He's so handsome.

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This is quite an unusual pose for a photograph.

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-Unusual?

-Yes. If you look, you would usually expect Victorians

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-to be quite formal in a photograph.

-They are quite relaxed.

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Quite relaxed, you can see she's touching his thigh,

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and he's got his hand on her shoulder.

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Though it's probably not their wedding photograph,

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they were married before this type of photograph was developed.

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There is something special about it.

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You just get, like, a real sense of,

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almost like they were crazy about each other.

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-It does look like it, doesn't it?

-Doesn't it?

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Like a real sense of affection.

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Like he's being protective and she's being...

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I've never seen one so informal.

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He's so cool.

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He's ahead of his time, like by a few centuries.

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Yeah.

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-Thank you.

-That's all right.

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I almost don't want to give you it back.

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I'm going to have to take it back, I'm afraid.

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But, because it's such a special thing,

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we thought you might want to take a copy of it away with you.

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Wow. Thank you so much.

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John and Caroline were married in 1849 in North Shields.

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Cheryl wants to know more about their life there.

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So obviously we've worked out that John Wood Laing was in

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North Shields, so the obvious thing to look at would be the 1851 census.

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And this is the one for North Shields, which includes...

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Caroline? That's her, right?

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That's her.

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They lived in 2 Gibson Bank, and then Mary Jane, daughter.

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-There's somebody missing.

-John.

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-John.

-She's the head of the family.

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But it doesn't say she was widowed.

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-Maybe he's at sea.

-Perhaps he was at sea.

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I hope so.

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So everything points back to...

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..North Shields. I guess that's where I've got to go next.

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I think so.

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Cheryl's heading to North Shields,

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just a few miles up the coast from Newcastle,

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at the mouth of the River Tyne.

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She's arranged to meet historian Dr Dan Jackson at the North Shields

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Registry Office, to find out more about John and Caroline.

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Cheryl, so if you look out this window here, you get a really good

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sense of the geography of North Shields.

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That's amazing. I've got a copy of a photograph of my

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great-great-great- great-grandparents.

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-Fantastic.

-John Wood and Caroline.

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-And he was a mariner?

-He was a mariner, yeah.

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Mariners were known to be really snappy dressers.

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That's what I said, he looks amazing.

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They had a lot of swagger about them, it's what they were known for.

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And then I got this census from 1851.

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They are living at Gibson's Bank.

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Which is just there, can you see where the greenery is?

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-No way.

-That was the bank itself.

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But they lived on these stairs, because the land, as you can see,

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is quite a steep bank.

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So you had these precarious houses, kind of clinging to the river bank

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where all of these people lived on top of one another.

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-Wow.

-This was known as the Low Town,

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and that's where the sort of working class people lived.

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This was the place where all the spit and sawdust pubs would

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have been, cos you can imagine all these sailors coming in to the Tyne.

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Yeah, of course.

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And the sort of things that sailors like to spend their money on was all

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catered for down on the Low Road.

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So it was the sort of place you had to have your wits about you.

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-Right.

-It was known to be quite a violent place at times.

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And up on the high ground was called the High Town,

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and that's where the posher houses were, where the big houses were,

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Dockwray Square and Northumberland Square, and places like that.

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So there is a very obvious difference between...

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-Class.

-Yeah, a class divide in the town.

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So they would have lived in, like, a small house here.

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Yeah, there's a report from the time that says people in Gibson's Stairs

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were living in about four to a room.

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-Oh, wow.

-And there's all sorts of industries, there is everything

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you can think of - shipbuilding, sailmaking, mast-making,

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anchor smiths, you've got roperies where women used to work.

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So it was incredibly busy.

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When John and Caroline lived here, North Shields was a thriving port.

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The town's location at the mouth of the River Tyne meant easy access

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to the north-east's coalfields,

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which were fuelling Britain's Industrial Revolution.

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Coal was loaded onto ships and sent down the coast to London,

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and also as far afield as the Baltic and North America.

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Sometimes men were at sea for two or three years at a time.

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-Two or three years?

-Yeah, depending on where they were going.

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So I guess the women then had to be quite confident, tough, independent,

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if their men are away at sea for two or three years,

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and they are living in an environment like that,

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you'd have to be a tough woman.

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Absolutely. And the women of North Shields are known to look out

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for each other as well, to support each other.

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Can you tell anything from this photo?

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He looks like he's doing well.

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He's probably qualified, or his apprenticeship is over.

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I would have thought, just judging by the clothes he is wearing,

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if nothing else. And he's got his cap at a jaunty angle,

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he's got the expensive watch chain.

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It looks like a velvet waistcoat as well.

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All pretty expensive gear.

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-Really?

-Yeah. He's doing well, and his wife's dressed smartly as well,

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by the looks of things. That's a brilliant photograph.

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Isn't it? Fascinating.

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A useful place to go next would be to find out about his career at sea,

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see where he went.

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I'm really getting a sense of John Wood Laing and Caroline,

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more so the fact that I've seen a picture,

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and I'm aware of how they actually looked,

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how they dressed, where they lived.

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There's definitely a strong sense of tough,

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northern, Geordie women starting...

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..with Caroline. So that tradition seems to have carried on,

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and I'm proud of the fact that they were strong, tough and hard working.

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Cheryl's meeting maritime historian Dr Helen Doe at the nearby

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Old Low Light Museum to find out about John's career at sea.

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So I have this photograph

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of my great-great- great-great-grandparents.

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That is a wonderful photograph.

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-Isn't it?

-It really is lovely.

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So far what I do know is that he had an apprenticeship ticket,

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and that he lived on the Bank there in North Shields.

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Your ancestor, John, finished his apprenticeship...

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..and he then became a second mate,

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which is actually quite a good step up on ships.

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And he was working in the coal trade.

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This is the first document I've got for you which tells you

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something about him.

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So this is...a report of character.

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1851.

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John Wood Laing - very good.

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Oh, wow, so on this page he's the only one that has a very good

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-for his conduct.

-Yes, indeed.

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What does that say? Sobriety.

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Sobriety, very good. So he wasn't really a drinker, I guess.

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That's right. That was important on ships.

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-I'm sure, yeah.

-So you've got one "very good", which is your ancestor,

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two "goods", and this gentleman here who's just got "middling".

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So this ship is the Brack, and at the end of the voyage

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the master would give them their discharge papers,

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which would show how well they've done.

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Reputations could be made over a long time,

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but equally could be lost quite quickly.

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Have a look at this one that I found for you.

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Now, this is a ship called The Spirit Of The Deep.

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Right. "Date of the occurrence entered with day and hour."

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So there was an occurrence?

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-Mm-hmm.

-Oops.

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So you've got the location...

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-Hong Kong?

-Yeah.

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James Laing.

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That's his brother.

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So he's on another ship but in Hong Kong.

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Oh, wow.

0:19:230:19:25

James Laing was seven years younger than Cheryl's four-times

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great-grandfather, John,

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and had followed in his big brother's footsteps to sea.

0:19:290:19:32

And what does that say? He's badly behaved?

0:19:350:19:37

-Yes.

-What did he do?

0:19:370:19:41

Went ashore without leave.

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So he's gone AWOL, basically.

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And that was in December, on the 21st.

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And then Monday the 22nd...

0:19:510:19:53

"James Laing returned..."

0:19:550:19:58

"Onboard unfit."

0:19:580:20:00

"Unfit for the...

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"..remaining of the day."

0:20:020:20:04

Yeah.

0:20:040:20:06

-Until...

-The 29th!

0:20:060:20:07

What the hell was he doing?

0:20:070:20:09

So from the 22nd to the 29th he was unfit.

0:20:090:20:12

And it doesn't specify?

0:20:140:20:15

Maybe he was drinking?

0:20:170:20:18

Perhaps he was drunk.

0:20:180:20:20

For four days, five days?

0:20:200:20:22

A week.

0:20:220:20:23

Now if we go down a little bit further, there's a little more here.

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So we've now got one month later,

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we've gone from Hong Kong to Singapore.

0:20:290:20:32

And we've got 11.30am...

0:20:320:20:35

"James Laing..."

0:20:350:20:36

"Called me..."

0:20:360:20:37

"A bloody snot."

0:20:390:20:41

Yeah.

0:20:410:20:42

-What does this say?

-"And struck me..."

0:20:420:20:44

And struck me?

0:20:440:20:45

-"..in the face."

-Oh, wow.

0:20:450:20:48

This is the mate,

0:20:480:20:49

and he's saying, "He struck me in the face,

0:20:490:20:51

"for which I put him in irons."

0:20:510:20:53

Then, the next day, you've got James Laing again,

0:20:550:20:59

this time he's taken before the master,

0:20:590:21:02

found guilty and he's fined...

0:21:020:21:05

-..for the offence.

-That's a big contrast to his brother.

0:21:060:21:09

But, again, quite an intriguing character.

0:21:090:21:12

And obviously liked...

0:21:140:21:16

a bit of the naughty side.

0:21:160:21:18

-Shall we go back to John?

-Please.

0:21:200:21:22

Now, look at this.

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A certificate.

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He was a master? He became a master?

0:21:260:21:28

Was he then, like, second, or next to the captain?

0:21:280:21:33

He IS the captain.

0:21:330:21:35

Oh, he is the captain?

0:21:350:21:36

Yes. Master mariner means you have the ability to be the captain

0:21:360:21:41

of a ship. He's done it.

0:21:410:21:43

That's incredible.

0:21:430:21:44

John became a master mariner in 1855, at the age of 29.

0:21:480:21:53

By this time, the merchant service had introduced tough exams

0:21:550:21:58

to ensure only the most qualified men became masters.

0:21:580:22:01

John would have needed to be able to read and write,

0:22:030:22:06

as well as navigate by the stars.

0:22:060:22:08

Masters were also responsible for delivering the cargo

0:22:100:22:13

to its final destination, and bringing the payment back.

0:22:130:22:17

Ship owners were desperate to find men they could trust,

0:22:180:22:21

and John would have been in demand.

0:22:210:22:23

Turn over, have a look on the other side.

0:22:250:22:27

114 Church Way, North Shields.

0:22:320:22:35

Yeah.

0:22:350:22:36

That address shows that he's really come a long way.

0:22:360:22:40

Church Way is...

0:22:400:22:41

-..up there, High Town.

-Oh, wow.

0:22:420:22:44

So he's now living in a more salubrious area.

0:22:440:22:49

I feel really, really proud of him, actually.

0:22:490:22:52

-He's done so well.

-And you should be.

0:22:520:22:54

He's got a better life for his wife and his children.

0:22:540:22:57

She's certainly now got status as well.

0:22:570:23:00

-Really?

-Hmm.

0:23:000:23:02

Can we go back to your photograph a moment?

0:23:020:23:04

-Yes, absolutely.

-We'll have a look at that

0:23:040:23:06

in a slightly different light now.

0:23:060:23:08

I wonder if by now he was already a master.

0:23:080:23:10

It's quite possible that was taken to celebrate this great big step.

0:23:100:23:14

Wow.

0:23:140:23:16

And no wonder they are looking so proud.

0:23:160:23:18

This is a photograph showing status.

0:23:180:23:21

And that's probably why it was taken.

0:23:220:23:24

It makes complete sense now.

0:23:240:23:26

And the first ship that he became master of was called La Belle.

0:23:280:23:32

Isn't that nice?

0:23:350:23:36

And here is the final document I've got for you.

0:23:360:23:39

"Agreement for foreign going ship, La Belle."

0:23:410:23:44

The 19th of August...

0:23:460:23:47

..1857.

0:23:490:23:50

So he's going from Conwy, and it's going to Quebec.

0:23:500:23:55

That's him away from home, I guess, for...

0:23:550:23:58

Months at a time.

0:23:580:23:59

Several months by the time he's got across.

0:23:590:24:02

And as captain, as the master of the ship,

0:24:020:24:05

he is in charge of selecting the crew.

0:24:050:24:09

And this is the crew that he had from Wales.

0:24:090:24:12

Not James? Oh, God.

0:24:120:24:15

-James Laing.

-Oh, he is.

0:24:170:24:19

-He's here.

-He's got his brother.

-Oh, dear.

0:24:190:24:22

Maybe he behaved for his brother.

0:24:220:24:24

James has been in trouble on the Spirit Of The Deep,

0:24:250:24:29

and you can see it shows here that the last ship he was on was

0:24:290:24:33

the Spirit Of The Deep.

0:24:330:24:35

So he obviously hasn't had any work in between.

0:24:350:24:37

I'm actually not surprised that he recruited his brother, James.

0:24:370:24:42

-Why's that?

-It's just typical Geordie mentality to always

0:24:420:24:47

keep your family involved. I mean, I'm sure any other master

0:24:470:24:51

wouldn't have wanted James aboard given his...

0:24:510:24:54

Given his background.

0:24:540:24:57

But, no, I reckon that John could have kept James in check,

0:24:570:25:02

and he would have liked to give him another opportunity,

0:25:020:25:05

a chance to earn some money.

0:25:050:25:07

I suppose, and that's very typical still, now,

0:25:070:25:09

of the Geordie mentality.

0:25:090:25:11

It feels really nostalgic, actually, coming back here.

0:25:200:25:22

I haven't been back here for a long time.

0:25:220:25:25

We used to come here as children and play on the rocks,

0:25:250:25:29

pick sea snails, build sandcastles.

0:25:290:25:33

This is real childhood stuff for me.

0:25:330:25:35

This is real memories.

0:25:350:25:37

John Wood Laing and Caroline probably came here.

0:25:410:25:46

They probably knew this exact spot.

0:25:470:25:49

When I first started off researching about John Wood,

0:25:580:26:03

I was finding out that he lived in a poor area and he wasn't really

0:26:030:26:09

in a good way for his wife, and having a young baby,

0:26:090:26:12

so I was a bit concerned about that.

0:26:120:26:14

And what happened thereafter, and to find out that actually, it improved,

0:26:140:26:19

is such an amazing thing to witness and to discover.

0:26:190:26:25

And I feel like, in a way, that's kind of what happened with me.

0:26:250:26:30

So I relate to the fact that you have to...

0:26:300:26:32

You know, hard work pays off.

0:26:320:26:34

When we were younger, if, you know, a friend or family member

0:26:350:26:39

got into trouble, you'd say, "You little toerag."

0:26:390:26:42

So James, to me, seems to be that member of the family.

0:26:420:26:46

I kind of like him. I've got a little bit of a soft spot for him.

0:26:460:26:49

Cheryl knows that John and James set sail for Quebec in Canada

0:26:520:26:56

in August 1857.

0:26:560:26:58

It was a journey that could take several weeks.

0:26:590:27:02

She's searching local newspapers for information about their voyage.

0:27:030:27:07

Oh, here we go.

0:27:090:27:11

OK, here we go.

0:27:110:27:13

The 6th of March, 1858.

0:27:130:27:17

"The La Belle, Laing master, sailed from Quebec on the 10th of November

0:27:180:27:23

"for London, was spoken on the 14th of November between Gross

0:27:230:27:28

"and Crane Islands and has not since been heard of."

0:27:280:27:32

Wow.

0:27:360:27:37

"Was spoken on"?

0:27:370:27:39

It's hard to understand the meaning.

0:27:390:27:41

"Has not since been heard of."

0:27:420:27:43

There's obviously a...

0:27:480:27:50

..problem there. A big one.

0:27:520:27:55

On La Belle's return voyage,

0:28:000:28:01

John and his brother James would have sailed

0:28:010:28:04

up the St Lawrence River, past Gross and Crane Islands

0:28:040:28:08

and out towards the North Atlantic.

0:28:080:28:10

Cheryl's arranged to meet Dr Simon Wills,

0:28:120:28:14

at the Watch House Museum near North Shields to find out

0:28:140:28:18

what the newspaper report means.

0:28:180:28:20

So I have this cutting from the newspaper.

0:28:200:28:24

Which is quite concerning, really.

0:28:250:28:28

I don't understand all of the language,

0:28:280:28:30

which I was hoping you can help me with.

0:28:300:28:33

Well, "was spoken on", in Victorian times, ships' captains,

0:28:330:28:37

when two ships passed each other, they'd hail each other.

0:28:370:28:41

And so Captain Laing would have shouted out,

0:28:410:28:44

"La Belle from Shields, heading for London."

0:28:440:28:48

And the captain of the other ship would make a note of that,

0:28:480:28:50

and when he got to port he'd report that he'd seen La Belle.

0:28:500:28:54

-Right.

-It was just a way of keeping track of ships in those days,

0:28:540:28:57

because there wasn't any other way of communicating,

0:28:570:29:00

no radio or anything like that.

0:29:000:29:01

I've got something to show you here.

0:29:020:29:04

This is a list, a crew list of everyone who was on

0:29:060:29:10

that voyage of La Belle.

0:29:100:29:12

Yeah. OK.

0:29:140:29:15

So this says Port of Shields.

0:29:170:29:19

"Count of crew,

0:29:210:29:22

"foreign going ship to be delivered at the end of the voyage.

0:29:220:29:26

"John Wood Laing, James Laing."

0:29:270:29:29

It says "deaths" at the top.

0:29:310:29:33

-So they all died?

-They did, I'm afraid.

0:29:350:29:38

What happened is the insurance company usually decided,

0:29:400:29:44

after a period of time, that the ship would be written off,

0:29:440:29:47

and that's when the men would be formally declared as dead.

0:29:470:29:51

Some of them are so young as well - this chap, Robert Roberts, only 17.

0:29:510:29:56

So your ancestor was pretty much the oldest person on board, at 32.

0:29:560:30:00

-Very sad.

-My age.

-Yeah.

0:30:000:30:03

-So sad.

-We don't know exactly what happened to La Belle.

0:30:050:30:09

This particular part of the coast of Canada was very dangerous,

0:30:100:30:14

it was the winter, November time,

0:30:140:30:16

there's lots of ice floating around in the St Lawrence River,

0:30:160:30:19

lots of other ships.

0:30:190:30:21

There was fog, storms would suddenly blow up from nowhere.

0:30:210:30:25

And ships would just disappear.

0:30:260:30:28

And they just vanished?

0:30:280:30:30

How long would a ship take to sink like that?

0:30:310:30:34

Or would...? I don't...

0:30:340:30:36

Depends on what happened.

0:30:360:30:37

It could be as little as 15 minutes, half an hour.

0:30:370:30:41

Really?

0:30:410:30:44

Even if they were thrown overboard or managed to get off the ship,

0:30:440:30:47

the waters that time of the year would have been freezing cold,

0:30:470:30:50

so they wouldn't have lived very long.

0:30:500:30:53

La Belle was the only ship John ever captained.

0:30:570:31:01

It disappeared while on its return journey to England.

0:31:010:31:04

John, James and the entire crew were lost.

0:31:040:31:09

In the mid-19th century, being a mariner was a treacherous job.

0:31:090:31:13

There were over 800 shipwrecks a year off the coast of Britain alone,

0:31:150:31:19

and transatlantic voyages such as La Belle's were even riskier.

0:31:190:31:24

Ships could be blown hundreds of miles off course,

0:31:240:31:27

and many, like La Belle, were never heard of again.

0:31:270:31:30

Caroline was left a widow with no financial support

0:31:340:31:37

and a young family to bring up.

0:31:370:31:39

Caroline would have only been 29.

0:31:420:31:44

And on the family tree I have,

0:31:440:31:47

my great-great-great-grandfather is another John Wood Laing,

0:31:470:31:53

but I don't know, obviously, when John was born.

0:31:530:31:58

I've got something that can help you here.

0:31:580:32:01

This is a birth certificate.

0:32:040:32:05

Yeah. John Wood, boy - father, John Wood Laing.

0:32:050:32:10

Mother, Caroline, in 1858.

0:32:120:32:16

May.

0:32:160:32:17

La Belle left England on the 19th of August 1857.

0:32:180:32:24

So she was actually pregnant the whole time.

0:32:240:32:28

Wow.

0:32:280:32:29

And John never saw his little boy.

0:32:300:32:33

-I know.

-That's so sad.

0:32:330:32:35

I now really wonder about Caroline and what she went on to be and do.

0:32:370:32:43

Well, we know from the 1861 census that Caroline went on

0:32:430:32:47

-to become a charwoman.

-You know that?

0:32:470:32:50

-Yes.

-What's a charwoman?

0:32:500:32:52

Well, sort of like an odd-jobs lady, really.

0:32:520:32:54

She'd take in sewing and do laundry for people, cleaning.

0:32:540:32:58

So it was quite a comedown, for her, having been a captain's wife.

0:32:580:33:04

At the bottom of the ladder really, in terms of income at the time.

0:33:040:33:07

She actually came from poverty,

0:33:090:33:11

and then I guess she went back to poverty.

0:33:110:33:14

I've got something else to show you.

0:33:140:33:16

This is a memorial card.

0:33:160:33:17

"In affectionate remembrance of John W Laing."

0:33:210:33:24

Would this have belonged to Caroline?

0:33:250:33:29

Yes, I think she would have had that made.

0:33:290:33:32

It's a very expensive thing to have made as well,

0:33:320:33:34

at a time when she had very little money.

0:33:340:33:36

It's been so well-kept.

0:33:360:33:38

"In the ship La Belle he went to sea,

0:33:390:33:42

"And thought not what his end might be.

0:33:420:33:45

"Now he lies buried in the deep,

0:33:450:33:47

"And has left his wife and children to weep.

0:33:470:33:49

"Though the raging sea o'er his body roll,

0:33:500:33:53

"Do thou, Lord Jesus, receive his soul."

0:33:530:33:56

I was hoping that he had a long and successful career

0:34:120:34:17

because of how hard he'd worked to get there,

0:34:170:34:20

and that the kids would have been OK,

0:34:200:34:22

and set up for life, and Caroline would have been good.

0:34:220:34:24

Yeah, I just feel...

0:34:260:34:27

I feel sad now.

0:34:290:34:30

I feel like I got to know John and Caroline.

0:34:330:34:37

I feel like I did get a sense of them, even as a couple,

0:34:370:34:41

the way she's holding him, the way he's holding her.

0:34:410:34:44

I just sense that they were really, really, madly in young love,

0:34:440:34:48

and it's a lovely feeling.

0:34:480:34:51

Cheryl now wants to find out about her mother's side of the family,

0:35:040:35:08

and she's back in Newcastle to see her mum, Joan.

0:35:080:35:10

My mother is very much a friend, I can confide in her about anything.

0:35:120:35:18

It just feels a bit more mysterious on that side of the family -

0:35:180:35:22

I never heard stories, I never heard tales.

0:35:220:35:25

I think she had a lot of questions herself when I was growing up.

0:35:250:35:29

-Hello.

-Hello.

0:35:290:35:30

-You all right?

-Yeah.

0:35:320:35:33

Joan was born in Newcastle.

0:35:360:35:38

Her parents were Joseph and Olga Callaghan.

0:35:390:35:43

Olga was born in 1932, and grew up with her twin sister, Rene,

0:35:430:35:49

but Joan's always had questions

0:35:490:35:51

about the rest of her mother's family.

0:35:510:35:53

Even with me it was all hush-hush, it was.

0:35:530:35:56

Like there was a hidden...

0:35:560:35:58

There was a secret or something?

0:35:580:36:00

You weren't allowed to ask questions, or know anything.

0:36:000:36:03

It was, "Mind your own business, you should be seen and not heard."

0:36:030:36:07

You used to say that to us when we were little.

0:36:070:36:09

-No, I didn't.

-Yes, you did.

0:36:090:36:11

Well, I can't remember that.

0:36:110:36:12

I just remember me mam telling me once that she's got a big family,

0:36:150:36:20

there's about 11 of them.

0:36:200:36:22

But most of them are adopted.

0:36:220:36:24

-11 of them?

-11 on her side.

0:36:240:36:27

But I never, ever met any of them.

0:36:270:36:30

Never seen any of them.

0:36:300:36:31

-Do you not think that weird?

-I think it's very strange.

0:36:310:36:34

I do have a couple of old photographs I can show you.

0:36:340:36:38

Hopefully they'll lead somewhere.

0:36:380:36:40

That's my mam and dad getting married.

0:36:420:36:45

He's quite handsome, isn't he, me dad?

0:36:450:36:48

You look the double of your mam.

0:36:480:36:50

Really? Do you think?

0:36:500:36:51

Yeah, I do.

0:36:510:36:53

So this is...

0:36:530:36:55

..Auntie Rene's wedding.

0:36:560:36:59

So, there is Auntie Rene, obviously.

0:36:590:37:01

You can see...

0:37:010:37:02

..me mam, and this is my nana, your great nana.

0:37:030:37:08

-Oh, God.

-She was called Edith Annie.

0:37:080:37:12

-Which is...

-She looks happy on her daughter's wedding day.

0:37:140:37:16

Doesn't she? Yeah.

0:37:160:37:18

-Wow.

-What is very strange is I never knew the grandad,

0:37:190:37:24

whether he had passed away, or what happened, whether they divorced.

0:37:240:37:29

I don't know what went on.

0:37:290:37:31

It was never spoken of,

0:37:310:37:33

so I would really be interested to find out who me grandad was.

0:37:330:37:40

This is all I've got of the older photographs.

0:37:400:37:44

-That's it?

-That's it.

0:37:440:37:46

That's it? What am I...?

0:37:460:37:49

Well, the only thing I've really got to go off of is me nana

0:37:490:37:53

and her sister's name.

0:37:530:37:55

So, do you know their maiden name?

0:37:550:37:56

The maiden name was Ridley.

0:37:560:37:58

Joan believes that her mother, Olga, came from a large family,

0:38:000:38:04

but doesn't know anything more about them.

0:38:040:38:06

Cheryl wants to get to the bottom of this,

0:38:080:38:10

so she's ordered the marriage certificates for her grandmother

0:38:100:38:13

and her grandmother's twin sister to find the name

0:38:130:38:16

of her great-grandfather.

0:38:160:38:19

OK, so here we've got the certificate for me nana,

0:38:190:38:24

in 1954.

0:38:240:38:27

Father's name and surname - Joseph Ridley, deceased.

0:38:270:38:34

So Rene's marriage was in '52,

0:38:340:38:38

and he was deceased by then.

0:38:380:38:40

Joseph Wilson Ridley.

0:38:400:38:42

So I'm going to now see if I can find Joseph Wilson Ridley.

0:38:440:38:49

Here we go.

0:38:550:38:56

OK, so this is the 1911 census.

0:38:570:39:01

"Name and surname, Joseph Wilson Ridley,

0:39:010:39:04

"head of the family.

0:39:040:39:05

"Age, 29."

0:39:070:39:09

So his occupation was a grocery warehouse man.

0:39:090:39:14

So he worked at the Co-op.

0:39:140:39:15

OK.

0:39:170:39:18

Mary Ann Ridley.

0:39:180:39:20

Wife.

0:39:250:39:26

Me mam said her name was Edith Annie.

0:39:280:39:31

So...

0:39:330:39:35

something's off here.

0:39:350:39:36

Something's off here.

0:39:400:39:41

Cheryl's discovered that her great-grandfather

0:39:450:39:48

was called Joseph Wilson Ridley.

0:39:480:39:50

He lived in County Durham, not far from Newcastle.

0:39:500:39:54

She's also found out that in 1911 he had a wife called Mary Ann,

0:39:540:39:59

and they had three children together. Cheryl's not sure

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how her great-grandmother, Edith Annie, fits in.

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She's also found Joseph in Army Service Records online.

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"Name - Ridley, Joseph Wilson.

0:40:120:40:16

"Regiment, Durham, LI.

0:40:160:40:19

"Your service records from the 15th of the 12th, 1914.

0:40:190:40:24

"Place, France."

0:40:240:40:26

So he must have gone to France.

0:40:280:40:30

Cheryl's learnt that Joseph served with the Durham Light Infantry

0:40:360:40:39

during World War I.

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He volunteered to join up soon after war broke out at the age of 33.

0:40:420:40:46

Cheryl wants to know more about Joseph's service and has decided

0:40:490:40:52

to follow in his footsteps.

0:40:520:40:54

I find it pretty amazing that my mam's grandfather

0:40:560:41:01

has been completely forgotten,

0:41:010:41:03

considering he fought in the First World War.

0:41:030:41:07

You would think there would be tales and stuff like that passed down,

0:41:070:41:10

but nobody seems to know anything.

0:41:100:41:13

A distant relative Cheryl doesn't know has sent a letter

0:41:130:41:16

with some more information about Joseph.

0:41:160:41:19

So I have this letter...

0:41:190:41:22

..that I'd like to read.

0:41:240:41:25

Oh, wow.

0:41:330:41:35

So handsome, again.

0:41:390:41:41

"Dear Relative, I am also a descendant of Joseph Wilson Ridley.

0:41:470:41:51

"He was my grandfather,

0:41:520:41:55

"married to my grandmother, Mary Ann,

0:41:550:41:58

"and they had eight or nine children together before she died in 1930.

0:41:580:42:06

"Joseph was never really discussed in our family,

0:42:060:42:09

"other than referenced in rather derogatory terms as Old Man Ridley.

0:42:090:42:14

"It seems after the death of my grandmother, a Mrs Burton

0:42:170:42:21

"was brought in as a housekeeper...

0:42:210:42:23

"..to look after the children,

0:42:250:42:27

"and then she fell pregnant with the twin girls."

0:42:270:42:30

That's my great nana.

0:42:350:42:36

Wow.

0:42:390:42:40

"It created quite a scandal in the community.

0:42:420:42:45

"A Ridley trait is that most of us have a quick temper,

0:42:450:42:48

"and from what I've been told, Grandad Ridley was no exception.

0:42:480:42:53

"Some in the family say he was troubled and volatile,

0:42:530:42:57

"and his temper would often be fuelled by excessive drinking.

0:42:570:43:01

"But he also bore other Ridley traits - undying generosity,

0:43:030:43:08

"and was, at times, quite fearless.

0:43:080:43:10

"When his photographs surfaced I felt a bit sorry that he seemed

0:43:130:43:17

"to have become sidelined and forgotten.

0:43:170:43:20

"There he was, in a soldier's uniform,

0:43:200:43:22

"and he must have fought in World War I."

0:43:220:43:24

Wow. That actually explains so much of why he was never talked about.

0:43:260:43:33

So interesting.

0:43:330:43:34

And he had, in the end, 11 children,

0:43:340:43:39

which is what me mam said.

0:43:390:43:41

Me great nana must have been the young housekeeper that...

0:43:410:43:45

..got involved with...

0:43:480:43:49

..Mr Old Man Ridley.

0:43:510:43:52

When Cheryl's great-grandmother, Edith Annie Burton,

0:43:540:43:57

had the twins in 1932, Joseph was a widower with a large family,

0:43:570:44:02

and a war veteran.

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To find out more about her great-grandfather's war experience,

0:44:080:44:11

Cheryl's meeting military historian Dr Helen McCartney.

0:44:110:44:15

In 1915, Joseph was sent to the Western Front,

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where the British and their allies were fighting the Germans.

0:44:200:44:23

By early 1916, Joseph's battalion was here near Ypres in Belgium.

0:44:250:44:30

Something I do know is that he joined the regiment in Durham.

0:44:310:44:35

But I have no idea what he did

0:44:360:44:38

or anything else, really, other than that.

0:44:380:44:41

He joins the 11th Battalion, and the 11th Battalion is quite interesting.

0:44:410:44:45

It's a different kind of unit than he trained with -

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it's a pioneer unit.

0:44:480:44:50

And this...

0:44:500:44:51

..is a badge that he would have worn.

0:44:530:44:56

Wow.

0:44:560:44:57

What does that actually mean?

0:44:590:45:01

This here is a pick, this one here...

0:45:020:45:06

-Is a gun.

-Yes, a rifle.

0:45:060:45:09

And that kind of sums up what the pioneers did.

0:45:090:45:12

They were mainly a labour unit, but they were also trained as infantry,

0:45:120:45:17

so they were also soldiers.

0:45:170:45:19

And that's what this represents, labour and fighting?

0:45:190:45:23

-That's right.

-Wow.

0:45:230:45:25

When Joseph arrived on the Western Front he joined a war

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that had reached stalemate.

0:45:300:45:31

The flat, bare landscape of northern France and Belgium offered

0:45:330:45:37

little cover, and both sides were forced to dig down for protection.

0:45:370:45:42

The British Army realised they needed to build

0:45:420:45:45

an extensive network of trenches,

0:45:450:45:47

so established specialist Pioneer battalions like Joseph's.

0:45:470:45:52

They were trained to fight, but also to dig.

0:45:520:45:55

Joseph was expected to work throughout the night and in

0:45:560:45:59

all weathers, often in open ground in sight of enemy snipers.

0:45:590:46:03

If you have a look down here,

0:46:060:46:09

you can see that they are actually quite narrow.

0:46:090:46:11

Yeah, very narrow.

0:46:110:46:13

And they are lined with these corrugated iron boards.

0:46:130:46:17

This is the kind of thing Joseph would have been making

0:46:170:46:20

and putting in to shore up the sides of the trench.

0:46:200:46:23

Cos it's pretty wet round here and it gets very flooded,

0:46:230:46:28

so a lot of the trenches would fall in,

0:46:280:46:32

and he would have to keep digging out these trenches.

0:46:320:46:35

That was one of the main things they were doing around here.

0:46:350:46:39

It's very small, considering they would have been quite big men,

0:46:390:46:44

I would think. How many men would there have been lined up in here?

0:46:440:46:48

Working parties were anything between 50 and 150 men.

0:46:480:46:52

All in this trench?

0:46:520:46:54

All in these trenches, either digging them or digging them out,

0:46:540:46:57

repairing them. You can see that the trenches are kind of zigzagged -

0:46:570:47:02

part of the reason for this is if a shell falls in one section

0:47:020:47:05

of the line, it doesn't reverberate along the rest,

0:47:050:47:08

and so the unfortunate people in that get affected by the shell,

0:47:080:47:12

-but not the rest of the line.

-Right.

0:47:120:47:14

As well as digging trenches, Pioneers liked Joseph had to build

0:47:160:47:20

railways, roads and bridges to keep the British Army moving.

0:47:200:47:24

For their skilled work, Pioneers were paid an extra 2p a day

0:47:280:47:32

on top of their infantry wages.

0:47:320:47:34

One of the reasons

0:47:380:47:39

the 11th Battalion of the Durham Light Infantry

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turns into a Pioneer battalion is because it's full of miners,

0:47:420:47:47

and it's estimated right at the beginning it's about 95% miners.

0:47:470:47:52

And that gives them a huge advantage because they've been used to

0:47:520:47:55

hard physical labour. But Joseph isn't a miner,

0:47:550:47:58

he's a grocer, and I want to show you a diary entry from later

0:47:580:48:01

in the war which shows you how some members of the battalion

0:48:010:48:05

viewed people who didn't come from the same background as them.

0:48:050:48:08

Have a look at this here.

0:48:100:48:11

OK. "Draft of 52 men arrived,

0:48:110:48:15

"only three of these men were suitable for Pioneer Battalion.

0:48:150:48:19

"Grocers, agents, musicians, etc,

0:48:190:48:22

"are not fitted for the hard work of pioneering."

0:48:220:48:25

So that guy's not happy about people that are not miners or...

0:48:260:48:32

That's right, Joseph's going to have to work really,

0:48:320:48:34

really hard to prove himself.

0:48:340:48:37

You know, I always heard about trenches and how they were used,

0:48:420:48:45

but I never really thought about how they were actually made.

0:48:450:48:49

And knowing that Joseph was part of the labour of that is a big deal.

0:48:490:48:56

Helping the soldiers survive.

0:48:560:48:59

Reading that diary entry I think he was maybe struggling a little bit to

0:49:010:49:06

fit in. He probably had a bit of a tough time trying to prove himself.

0:49:060:49:13

In July 1916, Joseph's battalion was ordered south towards the Somme

0:49:130:49:19

in France, where a major offensive by the Allied army to break through

0:49:190:49:23

German lines had already begun.

0:49:230:49:26

The first day of battle had claimed more than 60,000 casualties,

0:49:270:49:32

and by the time the fighting ended months later, that number would rise

0:49:320:49:36

to over one million.

0:49:360:49:37

The Battle of the Somme would prove to be

0:49:390:49:42

one of the most devastating campaigns of the war

0:49:420:49:45

and Joseph was heading straight into the middle of it.

0:49:450:49:48

It's actually pretty amazing to think I'm taking the same route

0:49:510:49:55

as Joseph would have been 100 years ago, exactly, more or less.

0:49:550:50:01

He would have been leaving the Belgium-France border,

0:50:010:50:04

headed to the Somme, which is where I'm now on the way to,

0:50:040:50:08

to prepare for battle.

0:50:080:50:10

He must have been absolutely terrified.

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Cheryl's meeting battlefield guide Paul Reed

0:50:150:50:18

outside the village of Guillemont.

0:50:180:50:20

My great-grandfather was on the Belgium-France border,

0:50:200:50:23

so I don't know what he did when he left there and came here for battle,

0:50:230:50:28

and I was hoping you could help me with the rest.

0:50:280:50:30

Sure. He would have marched down to the Somme.

0:50:300:50:32

When you say march, though, you don't mean like, march? Oh, you do.

0:50:320:50:36

Yeah, when they marched down from Belgium, where you've come from,

0:50:360:50:40

they literally marched, they marched for an hour at a time.

0:50:400:50:42

It must have been for days?

0:50:420:50:44

Yeah, it would have taken days to get down here.

0:50:440:50:46

And when he got here the Battle of the Somme was two months old.

0:50:460:50:49

So they'd been fighting in that direction,

0:50:490:50:51

the beginning of the battle in July, and over two months, gradually,

0:50:510:50:55

they'd pushed the Germans back to a point where the artillery

0:50:550:50:59

had smashed this landscape to pieces.

0:50:590:51:01

It was just a lunar landscape.

0:51:010:51:03

When you look at photographs like these that show you the utter

0:51:030:51:06

devastation of this area.

0:51:060:51:08

This is the village of Guillemont, that we are standing close to now,

0:51:080:51:12

-as you can see, there's just nothing left.

-Wow.

0:51:120:51:14

Everything's destroyed.

0:51:140:51:15

By occupying Guillemont, the Germans were able to prevent the British

0:51:170:51:20

and French front lines from advancing together.

0:51:200:51:23

The British had already launched three failed attempts to take

0:51:250:51:28

the village at a cost of thousands of lives.

0:51:280:51:31

Now Joseph's battalion were ordered to prepare the ground

0:51:320:51:36

for one final push.

0:51:360:51:37

His battalion came from the edge of the wood over there towards here,

0:51:390:51:43

and they were coming forward to dig advanced trenches here,

0:51:430:51:46

so there was a shorter distance for the lads to move out

0:51:460:51:50

-across open ground.

-Right.

0:51:500:51:51

So that meant, for him, he was then exposed himself, standing there

0:51:510:51:56

digging a trench in the open to enable others to get cover.

0:51:560:52:00

-That's...

-A massive responsibility, a huge job.

-It is.

0:52:000:52:03

So on the 3rd of September 1916, his battalion was involved in an attack

0:52:030:52:07

across this ground from the edge of the woods, across what is now

0:52:070:52:11

these wheat fields, all very innocent today, but, of course,

0:52:110:52:14

in 1916 these were killing grounds with the Germans dug in here

0:52:140:52:17

with machine guns.

0:52:170:52:19

As his battalion advanced, Joseph had to march over ground

0:52:210:52:26

littered with the dead from previous battles.

0:52:260:52:28

And the resistance he faced when they reached the German defences

0:52:300:52:33

was ferocious.

0:52:330:52:34

After a bitter struggle, the British captured Guillemont

0:52:370:52:41

at a cost of almost 2,000 casualties.

0:52:410:52:44

But there was no rest for Joseph and the Pioneers.

0:52:450:52:48

His job was to assist in defending this village,

0:52:510:52:55

cos once you'd captured it the Germans would attack

0:52:550:52:57

-and try and take it back again.

-Right.

0:52:570:52:59

So you needed to put up defences, barbed wire, to stop them getting

0:52:590:53:02

back in, build machine gun positions, shelters for the infantry

0:53:020:53:06

and officers and so on. So he's out there, doing all that.

0:53:060:53:09

The Pioneers stayed there for days and days doing the work.

0:53:090:53:13

Theirs is a task really that never ends.

0:53:130:53:17

And they're exposed.

0:53:170:53:18

Very exposed.

0:53:180:53:19

-He was a brave man.

-Brave man, yeah.

0:53:210:53:23

So in the fighting they lost some of their leaders,

0:53:240:53:26

so your great-grandfather was suddenly promoted.

0:53:260:53:29

-Oh, wow.

-He was given promotion to Lance Corporal,

0:53:290:53:32

that's one stripe on his uniform.

0:53:320:53:36

He would have had to have proven himself, and worked hard to do so,

0:53:360:53:40

and I find it really, actually, quite lovely

0:53:400:53:44

under the circumstances.

0:53:440:53:46

I'm really proud of him.

0:53:460:53:47

It's actually surreal to think that we're stood here, like,

0:53:490:53:52

100 years later with the luxuries we now have because of their sacrifice.

0:53:520:53:57

Exactly. Exactly.

0:53:570:53:58

I mean, the Great War is one of those things that it's about

0:53:580:54:01

ordinary people, like your great-grandfather,

0:54:010:54:04

in extraordinary circumstances.

0:54:040:54:06

When we look at a battlefield like this 100 years later, I mean,

0:54:060:54:09

it looks, to all intents and purposes, as if it's recovered.

0:54:090:54:12

But the reality is, it's never really recovered.

0:54:120:54:15

Human remains are still uncovered every single year.

0:54:150:54:18

Oh, my God.

0:54:180:54:20

So, I mean, look in any direction now,

0:54:200:54:22

and you are looking to a place where there are still soldiers out there.

0:54:220:54:25

And it's one great big cemetery, really.

0:54:270:54:30

Back in them days nobody knew about post-traumatic stress

0:54:410:54:45

or really understood, or even cared about the after-care

0:54:450:54:50

for soldiers that survived.

0:54:500:54:52

So I'm really not surprised that he was drinking excessively.

0:54:520:54:57

He probably needed some form of escape,

0:54:570:55:00

and I'm sure that you would become quite an angry person after you'd

0:55:000:55:04

experienced some of the horrific things they did here.

0:55:040:55:06

The war dragged on for another two years of bloody fighting,

0:55:120:55:17

finally coming to an end in November 1918.

0:55:170:55:20

It took months to bring the troops home,

0:55:210:55:24

and Joseph returned to the UK the following summer,

0:55:240:55:27

having spent nearly four years on the Western Front.

0:55:270:55:29

He had seen the war through from start to finish.

0:55:310:55:34

Joseph went back to work at the Co-op,

0:55:360:55:38

and had a further four children with his wife, Mary Ann,

0:55:380:55:42

before her death in 1930.

0:55:420:55:43

Two years later, when Joseph was 50, Cheryl's great-grandmother,

0:55:450:55:50

Edith Annie Burton, gave birth to their twin daughters.

0:55:500:55:54

Joseph and Edith Annie were never married.

0:55:540:55:57

Joseph died in 1951,

0:55:570:56:00

eight years before Cheryl's mother Joan was born.

0:56:000:56:03

Joan never knew anything about her grandfather, not even his name.

0:56:040:56:09

Before she leaves France, Cheryl's visiting the nearby

0:56:120:56:15

Pozieres Memorial to pay her respects to some of the soldiers

0:56:150:56:19

of the Durham Light Infantry who never came home.

0:56:190:56:22

It really makes sense now,

0:56:240:56:25

it all comes together as to why nobody really spoke about Joseph,

0:56:250:56:29

and he was kind of a mystery in the family.

0:56:290:56:31

He may have had a bit of a reputation afterwards of being

0:56:310:56:34

a little bit disturbed, and he probably didn't want to talk

0:56:340:56:38

about his war stories.

0:56:380:56:39

I think there was a lot of men that didn't really talk about

0:56:390:56:42

their experiences, and therefore, nobody else did either.

0:56:420:56:45

And I would guess,

0:56:470:56:48

part of it was because my great-grandma was his housekeeper,

0:56:480:56:53

and in those days,

0:56:530:56:54

having children out of wedlock was seriously frowned upon.

0:56:540:56:58

So he was always a mystery, and now I can put a man to that mystery.

0:56:580:57:03

Before I set off on this journey I always had a great sense

0:57:050:57:09

of the north-east, and I always had a great...

0:57:090:57:11

instinct that I was rootedly from there.

0:57:110:57:15

This whole experience has really told me that it's true when they say

0:57:150:57:19

Northerners are made of tough stuff.

0:57:190:57:21

There's just a great sense of resilience and strength there,

0:57:210:57:24

and the fact that I'm from the north-east...

0:57:240:57:28

..all that time ago on both sides just is proof to me

0:57:290:57:33

that what I thought and what I felt was the truth.

0:57:330:57:36

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