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Obesity is an epidemic happening right here in the UK, right now. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:09 | |
Honestly, the first thing I'll say is I'm a big girl. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
How my friends would describe me would be large - fat, probably. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
I don't like to use the word fat but, at the end of the day, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
that is what I have inside me - I have a large amount of extra fat. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
We all know what fat looks like on the outside. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
I think of cellulite, rolls... | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
..big thighs, big arms. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
If you're Kim Kardashian you can have a really fat arse. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
I... I've got a fat stomach. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
She's got a fat arse. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
But what if we could see what fat looks like from the inside? | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
Do we have any idea of the damage obesity is doing under our skin? | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
When you say to somebody, "Oh, well, it's affecting your health, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
you know, show me. I can't see inside. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
I can't see what's happening inside me. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
BBC Three has secured the first televised access | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
to a full postmortem | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
on an obese person whose body was donated to medical science. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
This summer, our pathology team assemble to reveal, from the inside, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
the dangers of us all getting too fat. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Postmortems are tightly controlled, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
and access to them is strictly limited | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
to protect the privacy and dignity of the deceased. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
Filming is not usually allowed. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
But for this postmortem, we have been allowed in, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
to help understand a problem that costs the nation billions | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
and ruins so many lives - obesity. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
Carla Valentine and Dr Mike Osborn | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
are the specialist team responsible for | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
carrying out the postmortem. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
Carla is an anatomical pathology technologist, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
and technical curator of the pathology museum | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
at London's Queen Mary University. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
For this postmortem, I'll be carrying out the evisceration, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
which means removing all of the organs. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
Being part of a filmed postmortem is a very unique opportunity. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
Death terrifies some people, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
but what it also does is it eventually gives you | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
a real sense of the fragility of life. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
The topic of obesity is a huge problem, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
and it's something that I get to see quite a lot, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
but it's not something that I get to study in depth. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Mike is a consultant pathologist, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
and fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
He's been working with death and disease for over 20 years. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
Obesity is very much there, it's seen, but I think it's very, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
very poorly understood. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
It seemed that making this film would be a way of exploring that, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
and allowing a broader public to learn about | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
the problems that are associated with obesity. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Carla and Mike have performed thousands of postmortems, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
but always behind closed doors. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Today, we'll witness what really happens in an autopsy, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
and discover what the body of our donor can tell us about | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
the creeping effects of obesity over time. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
We don't know this woman's name, but we do know a few details about her. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
She was in her early '60s... | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
..five foot five... | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
..almost 17st... | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
..and, just like a quarter of people in the UK, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
clinically obese. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
But where did she come from, and how did she end up here, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
on a postmortem table in London? | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
Long Beach, on the west coast of the United States. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
Glamorous, sunny, carefree California. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
But, away from the beach, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
on an anonymous industrial estate on the outskirts of the city, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
is where our donor began her journey to the postmortem table. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
This is a place where people who donate their body | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
to essential medical science are brought when they die. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Up to 20 donated bodies - | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
or cadavers - a day come through these doors, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
destined for thousands of medical research projects | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
all over the world. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:00 | |
My name is Randall Delgato. I'm 29. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
My main role, now, would be in charge of distribution. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Some days, you know, we have an order for cadavers | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
heading into Lebanon, and so then, you know, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
we have to start checking on them. How are they looking? Are they firm? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
Is there mould growing on them? | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
You've got to be a certain breed of person to be able to do this, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
you know? I mean, at first, it was very like, "Oh..." | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
But, you know, eventually you get used to it. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
I'm Kelsey, I'm 32, and I live in Costa Mesa, California. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
We perform a procurement on each donor that comes in, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
which entails us dissecting different specimens from each donor. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
We get to dissect the brain, take certain parts of the brain, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
and the internal organs, or taking | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
veins and arteries, different parts of the eye. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
The job itself can still be pretty taboo. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
I mean, even when I first came here, I wasn't exactly sure what they did. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
I knew they recovered tissue, | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
but I didn't know to, like, the extreme of, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
like, really recovering almost everything. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
Our donor was processed here, in preparation for her final trip. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
Her left arm was removed for cremation, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
and its ashes returned to her family in California. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
The rest of her body was frozen, placed in a body bag, boxed, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
and labelled for transportation to London. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
From here, she made her last car journey | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
through the streets of California. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
She was loaded into the hold | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
of a plane and carried 5,000 miles from her home. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
And, finally, she arrived in London. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
Her body remained in a cool chamber for ten days, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
to allow it to thaw completely, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
before it was brought to the postmortem table. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
The first stage of every postmortem, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
before any cut is made to the flesh, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
is an external examination of the body. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
The donor's ID number is confirmed against her medical record, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
which details the cause of her death - heart disease - | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
and that she'd only had minor surgery and drank minimal alcohol. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
But what will her body go on to reveal about the way that she died? | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
This lady died of heart disease, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
which is one of the things that is associated with obesity. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
And, interestingly, already in this lady | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
we've got signs of heart failure, because if I press here, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
-particularly, on this side, you can see... -Oh, that's very evident. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
The dimpling, there. And that's because you've got too much fluid, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
and that's the side-effect of heart failure. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
The other obvious external damage to our donor are the blisters | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
on her skin. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
They are one of the earliest signs of her body decomposing | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
after death, | 0:07:57 | 0:07:58 | |
and they're particularly noticeable on larger bodies. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
But they're not what Mike and Carla are focusing on. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
The most important thing about this lady is that the obesity that she's | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
got is centred on her abdomen. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
So this lady's carrying a lot of weight around her tummy. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
That's associated with more of the complications | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
than if somebody weighs the same but they carry their weight | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
around the bottom and around the thighs. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
So that's less associated with complications. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
That's more associated with complications. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
So we can see the distribution of the fat from the external exam. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
But once we actually get inside, we'll see more of | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
how that's affected the inside of her body and her | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
internal organs, as well. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
When we open this lady, there may be other findings | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
that are less easy to diagnose before somebody has died, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
that won't have killed her but are examples of problems that can | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
get worse and lead to illness and death in other people. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
So we may find some of those, we may not. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
To uncover if there are deadly medical truths | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
lying beneath the skin, Carla must first cut open the body. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
The incision is a large and deep single vertical cut, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
beginning at the suprasternal notch | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
at the base of the neck, and ending at the top of the pubis. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
It's a skill that requires both great precision and intense | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
concentration, especially performed on someone with so much fat. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
So what I can feel at the moment is an awful lot of yellow, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
very sort of greasy, fatty tissue, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
which...is quite a thick layer in a body this size. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
Reflecting the skin, back from the ribcage, here, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
and what that means is I'm just kind of loosening it | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
away with the muscle, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:37 | |
to give me a bit of room to manoeuvre within the body. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
What we seem to have here is a breast implant. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
This is an incidental find. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Sometimes, when we do postmortems, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
it's not just about what we're expecting to find, it's incidental. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
There is a very large amount of fat here, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
and the reason it makes it so difficult is it actually is greasy - | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
it feels very much like butter. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
So what I'm doing here is just trying to make sure that my... | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
..knife doesn't slip too much on it. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
Mike, did you want to come and take a look at this? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
OK. So, we can see, immediately, the thickness of fat that is here. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:18 | |
And even though there is a large amount on the anterior chest wall - | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
the front of the chest - | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
there's also a very large amount around the abdomen. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
The abdominal fat - that is the most dangerous, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
associated with the problems of obesity. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
There's quite a lot of fat around the organs. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
There's fat in the omentum. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
It would appear that this lady's carrying much of her weight in the | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
abdominal fat and possibly around organs, as well. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
So there's lots of changes, which I think we'll get a better view of | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
when we've opened the rest of the body. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
Everybody knows what obesity looks like from the outside but, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
unless you do a job like ours, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
most people don't see what obesity looks like inside. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
I've done thousands of postmortems. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
It's always a fascinating procedure. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Even if it's a case where you've seen lots and lots of | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
similar cases in the past, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
that particular case will be individual, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
and you'll certainly learn from that. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
We'll never know exactly why our donor became so overweight. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
The reasons for obesity are multilayered and complicated - | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
a mixture of lifestyle and environment, biology and psychology. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
But now that overweight is the new normal weight in the UK, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
there is a whole new young generation | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
living with the consequences of obesity. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Fat! You know? "Oi, fatty", "fat bastard", | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
you know, whatever it might be. I mean, I remember walking past | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
my local pub once and someone said, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
"Oh, fat bastard, how are you?" | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
It doesn't matter how old you are, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
if you're fat, you are marginalised by society. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
There's a lot of medical contributing facts | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
to people's weight that a lot of people don't realise, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
and all they see is somebody that's big, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
and they assume that they eat a lot. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
Myself, you know, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
I suffer from polycystic ovaries and also underactive thyroids. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
So, as a child, I was always slim. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
I come from a family that's quite slim, their build is quite slim. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
You know, it was only when I hit puberty that I started | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
putting on this weight. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
I was diagnosed with epilepsy, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
and the first medication they put me on, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
I put on a lot of weight quite quickly. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
I lost a lot of self-confidence, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
which I think also led to me putting on more weight. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
The emotions and feelings that I associate with eating | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
are quite difficult, because I... | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
There's a part of me, because I'm recovered | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
from binge-eating disorder, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
there's a part of me that still, if I've had a difficult day, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
wants to go home and eat a lot of things in one go, which, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
you know... I wouldn't enjoy them, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
it would just be because that's what I have done in the past, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
and that just seems to be something that I've picked up as a way | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
of coping, which I've now moved away from. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
But that's still something that I'm conscious of, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
and still occasionally want to go and do that. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
Sometimes, you know, I'm not going to lie, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
I do eat some of the wrong foods. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
And, you know, I don't go to the gym as often as I should. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
During my 20s, you know, I did, I partied a bit. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
I was going out with my friends on the weekend. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
You know, binge drinking | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
all weekend's not a good, healthy lifestyle but, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
at the time, I didn't care. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:42 | |
Food is pretty much central to our existence. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
Mum would always complain that we're always thinking about our stomachs. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
I suffer from a sort of severe lack of self-discipline. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
So, when I go to the supermarket, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:01 | |
I'll generally walk through the door and the first thing I'll see is the | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
things on offer - biscuits, two for one. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
And then I'll see the salad. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
And it's salad. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
And you've got carrots and you've got hummus, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
and you've got Maltesers and you've got Twirl and you've got Buttons, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
and Dairy Milk this and Twix that, and it's cheaper and it's on deal - | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
why wouldn't I? It spirals, and it gets out of control. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
It's just quite sneaky, really, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
the way that it kind of creeps up on you if you sort of | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
take your eye off the ball. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
The next stage of our postmortem is for Carla | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
to go deeper into the body - | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
beyond the surface fat - to get to the organs. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
What will we discover from them about the damage that fat has done? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
The organs come out in blocks, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
because they all fit together in a certain way. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
So, for example, with the cardio-respiratory block, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
which is the heart and the lungs, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
these are specifically together and above the diaphragm, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
so you have a natural line there that sort of | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
makes them into one block or "plug". | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
So if I remove those and I give those to the pathologist, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
he can then take a look at those organs | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
while I carry on with the next block. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
To get to each block, Carla must first remove the sternum - | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
the bony armour that protects the major organs of the body. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
It's not an easy job, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
requiring skill perfected over years and a bit of brute force. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
So I'm going to take my rib shears - | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
we use these specifically for this job as they can cut through bone. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
And what I'm going to do is just make some very even cuts, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
right through all of these bones. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
You can hear the bones are snapping. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
This lady isn't exactly young. | 0:16:58 | 0:16:59 | |
The older people get, the more calcified their bones become, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
so they become very, very crunchy, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
whereas younger people tend to have much more soft bones. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
In order to do this job you have to be strong of stomach, to start with. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
But I think that's just something that you either know or you don't. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
I never would have considered doing this job if I didn't know I had | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
a strong stomach. I'm now removing the breastbone, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
or the breast plate, the sternum, with upward strokes. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
And this way, I don't damage any of the pericardium, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
which is the sack that keeps the heart safe. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
The first time I saw somebody doing a postmortem, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
I think I was just absolutely rapt, I was fascinated. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
And it's because the human body is an incredibly complex machine. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
To open a human being, to see all of that absolutely perfect sort of | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
jigsaw of organs and perfectly placed, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
it really did make me feel very awed. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
When you do an autopsy on somebody who's very slim, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
the organs are there and they're very evident. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
It's like a game of Operation, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
or like one of those anatomical models that you would use at school. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
In a woman this size, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
a lot of it is really hidden by this extra yellow fat. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
It is making it quite difficult to see the structures - | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
much more difficult than it would if she was a thinner person. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
Before Carla removes the heart and lungs, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Mike wants to take a look at the organs while they're still | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
in the body, to see if we'll discover | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
any early indications of trauma or damage. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
You can see the heart here. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
There's a large amount of fat around the heart. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
-There's more here than you would see normally. -Definitely. -Quite considerably more. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
Underneath the heart and lungs, in this area, here, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
is what you call the diaphragm - | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
that's a big muscle that helps you breathe. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
Even the diaphragm - I was going to ask - seems very fatty to me. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
That's right. Even on the surface, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
where the heart fat and the diaphragm are meeting, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
there's more fat than usual. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
And, actually, the thing you can see most is an extremely enlarged liver. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:16 | |
This is very, very large, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:17 | |
and it's got what we call "fatty liver change". | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
So this is a fatty liver, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
and fatty liver is very much associated with obesity. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
You can see there's a lot of fat around these organs, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
so what would be between my hands now would be the kidneys. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
Now, the kidneys always have fat around them. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
I think it's important, while we're talking about the fat, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
to realise fat is a normal thing. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
Everybody has fat in. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
However thin you are, there will be some fat, and fat has got very, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
very important roles, and one of those roles is to protect things. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
It's the too much fat that is the problem. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
Fat is made up of cells called adipocytes, which are fat cells. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
And, really, for a long, long time - until very recently - | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
people thought that fat was just an inert substance that just sort of | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
sat there and didn't really do anything. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
But it's becoming increasingly understood now, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
that fat is actually a very active substance. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
Fat cells work almost like an endocrine organ. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
People will have heard of some endocrine organs - | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
things like the thyroid gland is related to how much energy you have, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
how cold you are, so forth. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
The ovaries, the testes - so, obviously, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
these hormones related to the ovary and the testes define whether you're | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
going to be a man or you're going to be a woman. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
So those are the sorts of activities hormones have, so they're very, very powerful things. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
And then it's become obvious that the adipocytes, the fat cells, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
do play an endocrine-type role | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
and so have some very powerful effects that | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
were previously unknown. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
Exactly how fat works and what it does is still far | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
from completely understood, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
but the day-to-day reality of obesity can be devastating. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
I wish I hadn't left it so late to try and start losing weight. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
It's not good on your back. It's not good on your knees. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
You know, God knows what it's doing inside. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
I thought, "Right, OK, I'm 30 - | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
"let's start thinking about trying to have a baby." | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
But with the size that I am, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
you know, you won't even get any help with, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
sort of, IVF and things like that because it's... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
You know, the answer is, "You're too big." | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
I've always felt insecure, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
thinking that I would perhaps never ever find love because I'm fat. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
Even if it's practical things such as travelling, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
going to a funfair or going to a theme park | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
and knowing I have to sit in a seat that is tiny - | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
things like that, and... | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
There's so many things. My wedding day - preparing for that, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
preparing my body for that, so how it will look in photos. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
And even social media. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
In fact, my whole life is surrounded by it. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
I've got sleep apnoea because of my weight. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
And what that means is that | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
when I lie down to go to sleep at night, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
the extra weight on my neck and on my face | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
actually compresses my airways, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
so that it stops me breathing properly and therefore wakes me up. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
It was waking me up about every two minutes throughout the night. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
So I wear a machine, and it's essentially a small air pump. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
It just keeps pressured air going into my airways | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
through the night, so I don't wake myself up, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
so that my sleep's a lot better. Very glad to have the machine. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
Would have been much gladder to have not needed it at all. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
When I first properly started thinking of myself | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
as overweight was when I started looking at wedding dresses. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
It's meant to be, like, a really, really happy time, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
and I just felt uncomfortable, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
and just ugly and disgusting, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
and I just - I didn't want to be there. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
The woman said that they were going to have to order me a size 20, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
and I thought it was going to be, like, a size 16, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
and I was just, like, absolutely out of my mind. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
I had, like, no idea I'd got that big. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
It was really, really awful. I think I cried most of that night. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
I was angry at myself to have got so big and not have noticed. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
Like, I just felt stupid. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
The next stage of the postmortem is the dissection | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
of the heart and lungs. For Mike to be able to do this, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
Carla needs to remove the cardio-respiratory block | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
from the body. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:56 | |
I'm cutting through the diaphragm, here, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
just to make sure that I've freed the lungs completely. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
Free them along the spine here. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
I'm going to do the exact same thing on the other side. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
And then chop across the oesophagus and the trachea here, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
and then all I need to do is, basically, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
pull the organs towards me, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
at the same time as releasing these, sort of, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
white fibrous tissues that are holding the organs to the spine. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
And then we'll get to a point... | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
..where this block - the cardio-respiratory block - | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
is completely free. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
And then we can take this out as one block. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
And we've got the heart and the lungs and the heart sack - | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
the pericardium. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
When you initially carry out a postmortem | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
and you hold an organ such as the heart in your hands... | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
And the heart is very symbolic... | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
..you know? We use it in all sorts of logos. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
It has a sort of power and a sort of agency | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
that makes you kind of stop and think. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
Because it looks so mundane, but then you realise that within it | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
has the electrical impulses to keep a person alive. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
With the cardio-respiratory block removed from a donor's body, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
Mike can start his dissection of her lungs. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
Will we uncover any evidence of damage linked to her obesity? | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
I'm going to detach the lungs from the heart. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
So we'll start off with the right lung. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
So, just cutting through... | 0:25:46 | 0:25:47 | |
..where the lung is attached. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:50 | |
And that's the right lung detached. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
This is the left lung I'm detaching. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
There. | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
I'm just going to make some cuts across the lung, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
just to see what the surface of the lung looks like. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
These lungs actually look quite healthy. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
There's no tumours or masses or anything like that in these lungs. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
But what there does seem to be, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
and which should be evident now if I pick this lung up and squeeze it... | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
..is you can see the fluid dripping out of these lungs. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
And this is what we call pulmonary oedema - | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
that's essentially heart failure fluid. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
This fluid is basically water. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
I know it looks red - that's because, obviously, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
it's within the body and it's been mixed with blood. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
This isn't... Blood is much, much thicker than that. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
This is really just a watery fluid. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
And this has collected because this lady's got heart failure. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
This lady died from heart failure, from hypertensive heart disease. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
But this lady is also obese. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
She did not die from the obesity - | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
the obesity increased the risk factors, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
and was associated with the problems that led to her death. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
Fluid has built up in this lady's lungs. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
Because her heart isn't working properly, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
she'd have probably been short of breath and possibly had a cough. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
But, also, because the fluid sits in the chest when you lie flat, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
and that would have given her sensation, almost, of drowning. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
When you become a doctor, one of the questions that they teach you | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
very early on is how many pillows do you sleep with? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
And that tends not to be because they're asking | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
how comfortable you are at night - | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
it's because if somebody says, "Oh, I can't sleep in a bed, doctor. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
"I have to sleep in a chair" or, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
"I have to sleep with eight pillows, sitting up", | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
that is very indicative of heart failure. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
From the startling discovery Mike has made in our donor's lungs, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
we now know that she would have felt the impact of her obesity | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
and heart failure every single day. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
Heart failure is not the same as a heart attack. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
When a heart fails, it doesn't fail immediately | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
in this type of circumstance. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
It fails over a long period of time, so the symptoms are gradual. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
So this lady may have been able to walk up ten flights of stairs | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
three years ago, then she suddenly found she got very breathless | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
after five flights of stairs, then she found that she found it very, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
very difficult to even walk up one flight of stairs, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
or even carry her shopping. It would have been a progressive disease, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
as the heart became worse and worse and worse. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
Now, the final event, obviously, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
when this lady's heart stopped working - | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
that would have been an instantaneous event and led to her death. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
Now it's time for Mike to examine, in detail, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
the organ that catastrophically failed in our donor. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
What will we find out about how and why she might have died? | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
You can't really see the heart yet, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
because the heart is sitting in a bag. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
This is called the pericardial sac. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
I'm just going to open that. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:01 | |
And so I can reflect that back and that's the heart there. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
So the heart, now, is in my hand. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
And you can see all the fat I was talking about earlier really isn't | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
around the heart, it's really around the pericardium. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
There is a bit of fat around the heart, which is here. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
This is absolutely typical and everybody's heart, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
even a thin person's heart, would have this. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
And I'm going to cut off the pericardial sac. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
This big blood vessel here is the aorta. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
This is the vessel that takes all the blood | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
from the heart round the body. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
When I feel this heart, it feels baggy. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
A heart, in someone who is very athletic - | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
their heart would be very tight, very firm. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
It would be like, almost, picking up a piece of steak. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
This is more like a bag. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
What I'm going to do now is weigh this heart. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
So this heart is 449g. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
That's a heavy heart. This lady is, despite her weight, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
this lady is actually quite a petite person. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
So you would expect her heart to be perhaps 275g, something like that. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
So this is very much heavier than you would expect. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
And that is the sort of size heart | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
you would expect in someone who has got heart failure | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
due to high blood pressure, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
which is what this lady suffered from. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
The heart, basically, has to pump to keep up the pressure. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
The heart gets bigger and bigger and bigger. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
But there comes a point where the heart can't get any bigger, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
and it basically exhausts itself. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:36 | |
Now that he's discovered the shocking state of our donor's heart, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
Mike wants to look at it from the inside. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
He cuts some slices so he can examine the ventricles - | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
the walls of the heart that pump the blood. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
If you're a 6'8", All Black second row, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
or you're, you know, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
one of the professional footballers running around the pitch, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
you need a lot of blood. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
So the wall of the left ventricle, in a young, fit person, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
is usually an inch-thick muscle all the way around. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
Now, if you look at this lady, this lady's left ventricle is very, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
very thin. This is eight millimetres, something like that. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
That's because she developed high blood pressure to start off with - | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
the heart had to pump harder and harder. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
In the end, what you get to is a state where the muscle can't keep | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
the high blood pressure up, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
and it starts to get thinner and thinner and thinner. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
And, basically, you go from a thick, muscular pump, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
through to a paper bag that's not capable of pumping blood adequately | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
around the body. And we see a lot of these hearts. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
We see them on a background of hypertension. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
This is a common finding and becoming more common. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Hypertension is high blood pressure. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
Obesity is well known to be one of the major risk factors | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
for high blood pressure. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
So, in this lady, they were not able to control that. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
That led to changes within the heart which meant the heart failed, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
it couldn't work properly. And that's what this lady died from. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
Obesity is a killer - not by itself, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
but in the many ways that it triggers and accelerates disease. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
But so much of the way that we think about fat isn't medical at all - | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
it's personal. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:23 | |
I have been fat all my life. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
And it's never been a positive thing for me. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
I've always associated it with something negative, to be honest. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
I feel like | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
fat is a filter through which I'm seen, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
because there are certain stereotypes that go alongside | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
being fat, being overweight, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
that maybe people who are overweight | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
are lazy or not very clever. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
I don't know why. I don't know where those have come from. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
But I feel like I have to try extra hard to prove those things wrong. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:02 | |
I don't think I necessarily would associate my fat with, you know, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
being invited to, you know, get-togethers with friends | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
or going out. But, you know, if they were going to play a game | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
of football or rugby, they might think twice. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
Socially, in terms of relationships, it definitely has. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
I mean, you go into a bar and you look like a GQ cover model, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
versus me, the girl's always going to go for the GQ cover model, sadly. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
Try as I might to be the funny fat guy. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
You try to build this wall, this wall that, you know, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
you just sort of try to ignore it. And from strangers you can, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
because you think, "Well, they don't know me." | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
But when somebody who's supposed to love you and somebody who's supposed | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
to care for you and somebody who's supposed to accept you | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
for who you are, when they call you fat, just to hurt you, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
the feeling is just horrible. It's not a nice feeling at all. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
It makes you feel really low, sad, alone. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
The next block of organs to be removed | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
are the organs of the digestive system, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
called the coeliac block. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
What I'm trying to do here is make sure that I've got the stomach | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
and the lower bowel and the liver and the spleen | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
all together in one block, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:29 | |
for Mike to take a look at, and not damage the kidneys. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
But, at this point, I don't think I'm going to be able to damage them | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
anyway, because they are so surrounded by | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
such a large envelope of fat. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
So we've got some faecal matter, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
we've got some bile and then, obviously, a lot of blood. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
The blood's mixed in with the fat, which is yellow, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
so that's giving us some orangey fluids. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
It's a multisensory rainbow at the moment. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
Every single thing that is in each of these blocks | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
is incredibly important and, you know, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
does amazing jobs for our body. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
It's just a case of...it's not very pleasant, once they've stopped | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
working and they've started to decompose a little bit. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
To completely free the organs, Carla needs to cut through | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
the fibrous membrane that holds them to the spine | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
at the back of the body. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
So this is a huge coeliac block. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
It is incredibly heavy. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:18 | |
The liver, as you can see, is taking up most of it. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
You can just see the spleen, there, and also the stomach, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
and a bit of the small bowel is attached, as well. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
When I first encountered a deceased person, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
I think what really struck me was just the stillness and the cold. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
Because, of course, I'd never, at that point, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
felt flesh that was so cold. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
And it gave me a real sensation of kind of | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
dipping my toe into very cold water. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
And then, once I'd done it, that feeling had never quite left. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
It was like this other, subterranean world. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
In the next stage of the postmortem, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
will we find any evidence of fat damage in the organs of our donor's | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
digestive system? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
This is the organs that include | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
the liver, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
the spleen, the stomach and the pancreas. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
Now, this is much heavier than I would expect it to be in a smaller | 0:36:17 | 0:36:23 | |
individual, largely because the liver is so big. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
First, Mike is going to take a look at the organ that most people | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
associate with obesity. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
This is the stomach. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:33 | |
Basically just like a bag that holds the food, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
before the food goes through into the bowel | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
where it's actually digested. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
And there are actually many... | 0:36:42 | 0:36:43 | |
of the treatments associated with obesity deal with the stomach. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
And what they try to do is reduce the size of the stomach, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
so that people have a feeling of being satisfied from eating | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
without eating so much. So there's a whole variety - | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
gastric bands fit around the stomach, | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
there's various bypass operations and so forth. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
The stomach is very good at dilating. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
So, if this lady had had a very large meal before she died | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
and had not had opportunity to digest it, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
the stomach would be much more obvious. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
But this is a fairly typical size stomach. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
Next, Mike will dissect the liver - the organ he discovered showing | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
such dramatic change when he saw it in the open body. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
But what will it reveal to us about the consequences of fat | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
building up where it shouldn't? | 0:37:30 | 0:37:31 | |
First thing I saw when we opened the abdomen was the size of this liver | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
and the fact that this liver showed marked fatty change. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
I'm going to make some slices through the liver, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
just so I can see what the surface, cut surface of the liver looks like. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
The sponge, so I don't cut myself. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
So I've made some cuts across the liver, there. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
And you can see that the surface of the liver | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
is this sort of pinky colour. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
That's very characteristic of fatty liver change. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
It's very soft. It almost feels like pate in consistency. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
Normal liver is quite soft, but not as soft as this. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:15 | |
And it has a much meatier, much redder, bloody colour - dark red. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
The lightness in this is caused by the fat within the liver, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
and the fat is deposited within the hepatocytes, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
which are the liver cells. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
This fat would obviously be pale in colour, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
and liver cells themselves are dark, so the combination of the two | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
gives you this light, sort of, pink colour. That's a much, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
much lighter colour than you'd expect a normal liver to be. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
That is a classic sign of fatty liver disease, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
and it's becoming a major problem, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
and is one of the major reasons for liver transplant in the world. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:50 | |
The most common cause of fatty liver, at the moment, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
is alcohol-related fatty liver. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
But we know that this lady drank almost nothing, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
so it's very unlikely that this change is due to | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
alcohol consumption. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
Almost certainly an obesity-related change. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
Fatty liver causes damage to the liver. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
It can lead on to cirrhosis, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
and it can actually lead on to cancer as well. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
But even if people do not develop cancer or cirrhosis, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
it can lead to liver failure. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:20 | |
So there's multiple ways that it can actually lead | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
to the death of a patient. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
It didn't lead to the death of this lady, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
really because her heart was itself so bad, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
but this is very dramatic change within this liver. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Before the postmortem, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
we could never have known how dramatically damaged | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
our donor's liver would be, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
or that she'd be carrying a second life-threatening disease. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
But excess internal fat doesn't have to be a death sentence. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
The good news is the fight to beat the dangerous invisible fat | 0:39:49 | 0:39:54 | |
can be won. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:55 | |
It is a daily struggle, but the prize is big. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
Now I'm trying to lose weight. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
I've actually lost 3.5 stone. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
I'm in a weight management clinic. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
I get support through a dietician. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
I get support through weekly weigh-ins. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
I get support from a counsellor, you know, which is really, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
really handy to help with your mental, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
you know, frame of mind as well. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
So what I've been doing to lose weight is cutting out the chocolate, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
cutting out the biscuits, cutting out the crisps - all that stuff. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
I'm not perfect. I still have the takeaways, you know? | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
I still have the cheeky bar of chocolate. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
But, you know, I've also been exercising a lot more, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
and really pushing myself to exercise, you know? | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Pushing myself to get to the gym. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:44 | |
In terms of activity, I struggle. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
I try and get in an hour of walking a day, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
but I don't always manage it. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
Just walking around the park | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
half a dozen times doesn't really do it for me, you know? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
I don't like running - I have a problem with my knees. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
To start jogging around a park is not only just a physically difficult | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
thing, but it's an emotionally difficult thing to do - | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
to get out there in jogging gear, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
for all the world to see some, you know, parts of your body's jiggling | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
that you just don't want them to see, sadly. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
I've had gym memberships up the wazoo. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
I've done detoxes for 22 days, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
just drinking lemon juice, cayenne pepper, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
water and a bit of maple syrup. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
It's disgusting, I can tell you. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
But I have tried a lot, and I will probably end up trying more. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
But I think slowly getting better and making better choices is really | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
where it's all about. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
My motivation to now tackle my weight, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
and to try and reach a healthier weight is because | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
I have now recovered from my binge eating disorder. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
It's a shame that it had to get this bad for me to, you know, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
to get to this point, but I did need to access that, sort of, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
psychological help first, in my case. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
You know, I've now seen the limits that being overweight has put on | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
my life, and I want to reverse those | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
and get back out there and just live life to the full. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
I'm quite conscious, these days, of what I eat. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
I do go to the gym. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
I do what I can to lose weight, | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
or at least maintain it even if I can't lose it drastically. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
OK. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:33 | |
Turn a little bit. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
I am a plus size style, beauty and lifestyle blogger. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
People do get inspired by those sort of things, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
so I think it's quite useful for me to, kind of, you know, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
get out there. It's actually helped me boost my confidence. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
Perfect. Yup. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
Exercise is not my best friend. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
It's quite a chore for me, in a sense. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
But I feel that, in life, with a lot of things, you've just got to, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
you know, make the effort to do | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
things even that you don't necessarily love. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
In January, I decided to join a running club | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
called Too Fat To Run. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
And it was really, really scary at first. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
I went out and I ran for, like, ten minutes, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
which doesn't sound long, but when you haven't run | 0:43:21 | 0:43:26 | |
and then, suddenly, you can run for ten minutes, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
you're like, "Oh, crap, I can do that. That was kind of cool." | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
Then I did my first 5K race. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
Finishing a race feels so much better than, I don't know... | 0:43:36 | 0:43:41 | |
It sounds really, really cheesy, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
but it feels so much better than finishing a pack of crisps. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
Every race I do, I can't believe that I've finished it. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
Next, Carla will remove the final group of organs, | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
but even in the last stages of the postmortem, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
she takes nothing for granted. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
People who donate their bodies to medical science really are giving | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
a gift. It is the gift that keeps on giving, actually, because, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
as a patient, I think we all would prefer | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
that our doctors and our surgeons have learned | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
on something, you know, realistic to their job | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
before they're let loose on a human patient. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
You know, you wouldn't really let a mechanic take care of your car | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
if he'd never touched an engine, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
and it's very much the same thing with this. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
Real bodies are very unpredictable | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
and very chaotic compared to anything, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
you know, fake - anything like a virtual reality or a fake cadaver - | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
because if you look here, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:47 | |
what you should be able to see are the kidneys - | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
granted, they always have a tiny capsule of fat around them, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
a bit like a sort of edamame bean, that you can pop out - | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
but these fatty capsules are very, very large. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
So all that you can really see at this point is a kind of yellow, | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
glistening mess, really. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
So this is, again, indicative of the fact that she has | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
an awful lot of extra fat around her organs. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
So I'm just slicing through the fibrous tissues and the bits of | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
muscle that are keeping the kidneys attached to the spine. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:21 | |
And it's really exactly the same thing that I've been doing | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
with the rest of the organs, | 0:45:24 | 0:45:25 | |
and that is releasing them from the spine, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
which is what anchors them in place. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
And then I can just reflect them all the way down and pull them out. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
And this is the genitourinary block. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:40 | |
And this is at least slightly smaller, slightly easier to manage, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
cos we've only got the kidneys in this. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
So much fat, still. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:07 | |
Mike needs to dissect the kidneys to find out just how much damage has | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
been caused by all that excess fat. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
This is the right kidney. This is the left kidney. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
This, in the middle, is the big blood vessel | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
that carries blood all the way down the body. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
And the most important and the first thing I can see is | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
there's an unusual amount of fat around these kidneys. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
Now, the kidneys always have fat around them. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
Kidneys are not protected by bone, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
which means that they can be bashed and they can be hit, | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
if you walk into something or something hits you, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
so this fat protects them. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
This lady has much, much more fat than I would expect. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
What I'm going to do first is just cut through this fat, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:58 | |
which is called the perirenal fat. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
And you can see quite clearly how much fat there really is. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:08 | |
In a thin person, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
this would probably be... | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
..half or a third as thick as I can see here. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
This is bad news for this lady. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
It means that she is more likely to have the complications of obesity, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
because of the way she's carrying the fat. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
This pale area here is the kidney. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
I'm just going to cut into the kidney. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
So the kidney's got a thick capsule around it. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
Now there's a small amount of fat in the middle of the kidney. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
That's completely normal. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
That's where... Basically, the kidney is responsible for | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
filtering your blood and for making the urine. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
That urine has to go somewhere, so your kidney's got a funnel | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
that collects all the urine from all the bits of the kidney, | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
takes it down through your ureter into the bladder and then, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
when you want to go to the loo, it goes out. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
So this bit of fat sits around that funnel area, and is quite normal. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:08 | |
I'm going to take the thick capsule off of the kidney surface, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:13 | |
to see what the surface of the kidney looks like. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
The surface of the kidney, ideally, should be very, very smooth. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
This kidney has got some scarring on the surface. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
There's areas of indentation and pock marking. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
There is clear damage to this kidney which would be associated with high | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
blood pressure, and we know this lady had high blood pressure, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
which is what led to the changes | 0:48:42 | 0:48:43 | |
within her heart and which led to her death. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
The visible scarring and pock marking we've discovered | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
on our donor's kidneys are the last of the revelations she will yield, | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
before Carla completes the postmortem | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
and closes the body for ever. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
When Mike's finished his examination, | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
I then begin the reconstruction. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:09 | |
And, in a way, that's one of the most important parts | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
of the postmortem. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
What I do is, I place all of the organs into a special viscera bag, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:18 | |
which will contain all of the elements that we've removed | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
in the different blocks, and I place that into the body cavity. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:25 | |
And then I use very heavy postmortem twine to stitch, as neatly as I can, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:32 | |
right along the incision that I made. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
We describe this as a baseball stitch - | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
it does look very much like a zig-zaggy stitch. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
Each postmortem is unique, and everything they reveal valuable. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
This donor's gift was an opportunity for Mike and Carla to unveil the | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
shocking truths hidden inside one body, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
irreversibly damaged by too much fat. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
The evisceration occurred, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
and it wasn't as easy to do as it would be with | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
a slightly smaller patient. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:07 | |
It takes a lot more strength to cut through this yellow adipose tissue, | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
which kind of blooms out of the abdomen in this, you know, | 0:50:12 | 0:50:17 | |
practically neon yellow. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
And it looks very much like butter, and it has a greasy feel. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:25 | |
And it makes you suddenly very aware of the fat in your own body. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:31 | |
Well, it made me aware of the fat in my own body, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
and the effect that that might have on my organs, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
the strain it might put on my heart, the way it may affect my liver. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
I think that doing a postmortem such as this | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
is a really fantastic way for people | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
to consider their own health and their own mortality. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:50 | |
We never really know what we're going to find | 0:50:57 | 0:50:59 | |
when we examine the patient. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
The first thing I noticed when the body had been opened | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
was the markedly fatty liver. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
I know, from the history that was provided, | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
that this lady died from heart failure, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
but the findings in her heart are extremely marked | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
and the severity of them actually surprises me. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
But before we did the postmortem there was no indication | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
that this lady had a fatty liver, and it's a possibility that, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
even if this lady had not developed heart failure, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
she may have gone on to develop liver failure | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
due to the fatty change within the liver. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
We already knew a little about the way that this woman lived | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
and how she died. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
What we couldn't have known before the postmortem was the extent | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
to which obesity would have ravaged her internal organs, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
from the suffocating fluid in her lungs to her scarred kidneys, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
creating a potent mix of life-threatening, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
obesity-related disease. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
I know that, health-wise, | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
being obese and being large, it just isn't good. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:06 | |
So if I can do this documentary to help other people to see what it's | 0:52:06 | 0:52:11 | |
doing to them, internally, for them to motivate theirself, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
so that they can lose weight so that they, you know, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
maybe they can have a child or maybe they can live a little bit longer, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
a little bit happier. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
That's why I'm doing this - to help people. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
It's fine to have... | 0:52:24 | 0:52:25 | |
..like, politicians - like the Health Secretary or, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
like, whoever or, like, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
doctors on TV - saying everyone needs to eat less and move more, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
kind of thing, | 0:52:37 | 0:52:38 | |
but until you can actually relate that to yourself, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
then you can say, "Oh, that's not me. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
"That's not going to happen to me." | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
I think a postmortem of someone with obesity | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
is going to be quite shocking | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
for a lot of people, who maybe think that they can deal with it. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
And I've been there. I have been there as well. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
"Deal with it tomorrow. I'm all right, right now. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
"It's not affecting, you know... I don't need a machine to sleep. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
"I can get around fine, you know?" | 0:53:04 | 0:53:06 | |
And just putting those choices off until tomorrow. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:11 | |
Time goes by so quickly, and... | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
..it's really important to think about, you know, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
what's going on inside you now and where that might actually end up - | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
where you could end up. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 |