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I'm sure you've heard all the stories before. I mean, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
I've such a limited repertoire. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
I always write on odd bits of paper. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
This is part of a cheque book. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
"The most a writer can hope from a reader | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
"is that he or she should think... | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
" 'Here is somebody who knows what it is like to be me.' " | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
I don't know why that looks... | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
CHUCKLES: No. Anyway... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
These are all pictures of me. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
This is my diary and the notes I keep. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
-DIRECTOR: -Is it daily? Is it...? -No, I don't keep it every day, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
because so little happens to me, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
but if there's anything I think is interesting, I write it down. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
I've got odd diaries going back to the 1960s and earlier than that. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:44 | |
Some of the earlier ones are so embarrassing, I destroyed them. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
"October 27th - to record Private Passions, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
"Michael Berkeley's Radio 3 programme, which I have always liked | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
"as a more relaxed and less formulaic Desert Island Discs. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
"Mind you, I have always resisted Private Passions too | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
"if only because my musical appreciation is so adolescent and | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
"tied to memory, with no specialised musical knowledge to it." | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
Sorry it's so laborious. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
-PRODUCER LAUGHS: -No! | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
So, Alan, this is Michael Berkeley, who I think you've met before? | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
-Oh, we've met before. -We've seen each other. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
We met at Downing Street. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:25 | |
ALL LAUGH | 0:02:25 | 0:02:26 | |
-That's a good line. -Where else? | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
'Alan Bennett really needs no introduction. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
'We all think we know him. He's the much-loved playwright and diarist | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
'who has been entertaining and moving us | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
'since Beyond The Fringe in 1960. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
'I'm glad to say, though, Alan, that there's one aspect of you | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
'that is perhaps rather less known | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
'and that is the importance of music in your life.' | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
Well, I always feel, if I could have written music, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
I wouldn't have written plays. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
But some people can write to music, I mean, with music playing. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
I can't do that. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
What I tend to do is write and then, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
if it's gone well, I then put some music on and even, um... | 0:03:09 | 0:03:15 | |
..well, not quite dance about, but nevertheless... | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
..unsuppress myself, as it were, to the music. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
MUSIC: Gold And Silver Waltz by Franz Lehar | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
These are family photos. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
That's my dad in the bowler hat. He always wore a bowler hat. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
There's pictures of him on the sands with us as kids | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
and he's still got his bowler hat on. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
I remember that shirt and hating it. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
There was music right from my earliest childhood, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
because my father was a very good amateur violinist | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
and his fiddle was always on the sideboard. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
And when it was in its case, it seemed to me like | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
the most expensive and luxurious item in the house. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
And we were never allowed to touch it, my brother and I, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
except when my father made an abortive attempt to teach us | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
how to play, which we couldn't. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:29 | |
So this first music takes you back to him, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
to your father on the violin? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Yes, he... It was the kind of thing | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
he would pick up his violin and play along to. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Music from Lehar's Gold And Silver Waltz conducted by Michael Dittrich. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
MUSIC CONTINUES | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
Now this, this is the thing about the barbers. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
"September 23rd, 2015. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
"A minor breakthrough today when I go to my barbers, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
"Ossie's in Camden Town, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
"and for the first time in my life and at the age of 81, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
"license Azak, my barber, to trim my eyebrows. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
"It's a cosmetic refinement I've always resisted in the past | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
"on the assumption that once trimmed, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
"the eyebrows would grow more luxuriantly | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
"and I feared I would end up looking like Bernard Ingham, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
"Mrs Thatcher's press secretary | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
"or - and I mention him in the interests of balance | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
"although he's only just left us - | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
"Denis Healey." Um... | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
Does that make sense? | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
Hmm. Mm-hmm? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:00 | |
"However, as I say, I'm getting on and so there will hardly be time for | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
"the development of such overhanging thickets, so today I'm tidied up. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
"The last time I remember being plagued with similar thoughts | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
"was when I was 17 and had not yet begun to shave. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
"Though most of my contemporaries had been shaving for years, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
"being fair and rather behind the rest, I reasoned that in my case | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
"there was no need and that once I started, I would have to go on. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
"But a few months later, I was in the Army | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
"and so the decision was taken out of my hands." | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
I enjoyed doing drill. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:47 | |
When it was going well and when you knew what you were doing, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
it was, I suppose, a bit like a dance. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
That's a picture of me in 1988. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
I don't know how that's got in there, but anyway. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
-It's not actually a book? It's loose? -No, it's loose. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
But it's freehand because that's how I write anyway. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
This then goes to a lovely woman called Sue Powell, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
who types the whole thing. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
She knows more about me than anybody, really, because | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
there's everything in the diaries. I don't censor my diaries. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
If they were printed in their entirety, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
I don't think it would do me any good at all! | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
I go to his house to pick up the next instalment | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
and I'm usually simultaneously | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
delivering the last year that I've done | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
so we probably actually only meet about once a year. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
I'll receive a file full of papers like this | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
and sometimes it's a little bit tatty and disordered | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
and I just make my way through. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
I live in fear of dropping it... | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
..and it scattering all over the floor and I have to work out | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
the order in which it needs to go back. No, they're not numbered. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
This is just the way he writes them and they come to me. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
I suspect that he writes it and puts it away | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
and doesn't think about it again, really, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
until it comes to the next entry. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
So, as far as I'm aware, this is unedited. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
And then I've gone through the manuscripts to see | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
what I'm happy to see published. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
I mean, for instance, I wouldn't necessarily put.. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
..very personal things in straightaway, whereas, you know, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
ten years on, it doesn't matter, really. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
This is Dinah Wood, who's my editor at Faber. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
I don't care for dogs much, but... | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
but she's lovely. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
Hi. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
-Hi. -Hello. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
Now, I've got my homework. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
Very good. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:24 | |
Now, that's the one we thought for the cover. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
-Right... -Right. Great. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
There's one or two things I've still not decided on. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
What about the piece about the National Theatre? | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
That's in there. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
I think it should go in, but you weren't... | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
-No, I assumed that was going in. -Oh, OK. Good, good. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
-DIRECTOR: -So this is, what - ten years? -Yeah. -Mmm. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
And Alan did the original selection? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Yeah. All these Post-it Notes are all homework for Alan, who then | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
does crosses or ticks beside things | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
and so this pile gets bigger and bigger as new printouts | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
with things resolved get added. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
I occasionally put a question mark, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
but that's about as strong, as rigorous as it gets! | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
Does it have a different mood to the other two volumes, this one? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
I don't... Doesn't seem to me much different. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
The one that was the most...fraught, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
I suppose, was the one when I'd had cancer in 1997 and so, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:41 | |
that was always, until it gradually became plain | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
that I was going to survive, that was fairly... | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
on the edge of things. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
So Alan highlighted all the bits to add and I added all those and then | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
I read the whole lot again | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
and I largely added descriptions of robins! | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
Yes! Dinah particularly liked the glimpses of wildlife | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
-in the diary. -There's a lot of... | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
Seeing the occasional bird out of the window. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
Because Untold Stories, you're sitting at your window looking out | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
-and you're looking at drug dealers, builders, teenagers. -That's right. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
As I used to be looking at Miss Shepherd when she was there. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
That's Miss Shepherd. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
That's the van when it was in the street, or one of them. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
The windows had gone, so she had curtains there. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
"May 21st, 2015. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
"To Hay-on-Wye with Nick Hytner and Dinah Wood. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
"A much longer ride in time terms | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
"than the one to Leeds that I'm used to, though it's much nearer. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
"The atmosphere, a busy tented enclosure, is like a county show, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
"with literature standing in for husbandry | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
"and authors being led about like pedigree cattle." | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, good evening and welcome to this very special | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
preview of The Lady In The Van. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
The story is broadly about a woman who was known as Mary Shepherd | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
who came, for a short while, in her van, to live outside Alan's house | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
and in fact stayed for 15 years. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
I keep a diary, not a daily diary, but if anything droll happened | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
or anything sad or whatever, I would write it down. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
And I'd no notion how long she was going to be there | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
and I knew I certainly couldn't write about her while she was alive. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
The reason I did do it was that | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
it happened that she died just before The London Review Of Books | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
had its tenth anniversary and they said would I write something, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
and so that was the only thing I could write about. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
-The disciple whom Jesus loved? -No. The name's Bennett. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
An educated woman and living in a van. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
I'm studying incognito... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
-She had her own political party, didn't she? -Oh, yes, she did. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
She founded something called... | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
-MAN: -Ukip! | 0:13:29 | 0:13:30 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
She was well to the right of Ukip. She was... | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
She was very, very much opposed to the Common Market, as it was then... | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
Ukip! | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
..and used to sell pamphlets outside Williams & Glyn's Bank | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
in Camden High Street | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
with chalked notices about the evils of the Common Market. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
And then she founded a political party called... | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
-Oh... -Fidelis. -Fidelis Party, that's right. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
She only had about six members, of which I was one. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
But she immediately went from having founded a political party | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
to assuming that she would be elected Prime Minister, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
but if she were elected Prime Minister, she came and asked me | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
in all seriousness whether | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
I thought that she could live in the van outside Downing Street... | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:14:22 | 0:14:23 | |
..rather than in Downing Street itself. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
This was about the time when Mrs Thatcher was in the ascendant | 0:14:26 | 0:14:32 | |
and the notion of a wilful woman living in a van | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
with Cabinet ministers queuing up to be told what to do | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
had some reality to it. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
This is when she got a Reliant Robin, which, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
unlike the van, did used to go. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
I mean, it made a hell of a din. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
The other van would be over there in the garden. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
The story told by this film took place 40 and more years ago | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
and Miss Shepherd is long since dead. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
She was difficult and eccentric... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
..but above all, she was poor. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
And these days particularly, the poor don't get much of a look-in. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
Poverty is as much a moral failing today as it was under the Tudors. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
"If the film has a point, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
"it's about fairness and tolerance and, however grudgingly, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
"helping the less fortunate, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
"who are not well thought of these days | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
"and now likely to be even less so." | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
That was written just after the election | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
but I don't kid myself and think it would do any good. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
This is my Grandad Peel, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
who drowned himself when he was unemployed | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
in...1926, I think. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
And that's Mam and Dad at the back of 92A Otley Road, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
where Dad's shop was. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
You went into the house, up this passage | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
and you went straight into the sitting room, which always | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
deeply embarrassed me as a boy. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
I took that in 1953. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Once you were a teenager, Alan, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
you started going to weekly concerts in Leeds Town Hall, I think, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
and sat in what was probably the cheapest seats, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
behind the orchestra. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
Well, it really characterised my youth, going to those concerts. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:10 | |
It was the real bones of my youth | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
going every week and sometimes twice a week, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
because they sometimes gave concerts on Wednesday as well. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
I remember a boy called Michael Fielder, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
who was a very talented pianist, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
and they were going to play at the concert | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
Brahms' Second Piano Concerto, which I had never heard, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
and Michael Fielder sang me the opening theme of the Brahms. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:35 | |
HE HUMS THE TUNE | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
And I can hear him singing it now | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and that would be 1951 that I first heard it. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
MUSIC: Piano Concerto Number 2 by Johannes Brahms | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
All my life I've worn a tie. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
Mam... It sounds terrible cos it sounds so disciplinarian, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
but it wasn't like that, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
but she never let us wear open-necked shirts, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
because she thought somehow, that made you more prone to TB. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
But TB was the great scourge. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
I mean, two people next door to us in Otley died of TB. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:50 | |
That's my dad when he was put to butchering by his stepmother | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
when he was 12, I think, for which he never really forgave her. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
My father was such a gentle soul | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
but he never had a good word for his stepmother. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
She was always known in the family for having said to my brother, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
"Get off that stool or I'll kick you off!" | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
My brother and I get on very well, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and he and Ruth come to my plays and whatever, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
but he's never wanted anything to do with show business | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
or what my father would have called splother. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
How much older is he? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
He's three years to the day. Our birthdays are on the same day. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
That's Dad in the shop. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
Gordon and me used to help make the sausages, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
only...well, my sausages, anyway, used to burst. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
I didn't quite get the hang of it! | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
This is May 8th, and it's the day after the election, I think. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
"A feeling of bereavement in the street. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
"I shop for supper and, unprompted, a grey-haired woman in the fish shop | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
"bursts out, 'It means I shall have a Tory government | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
" 'for the rest of my life.' | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
"In the library, they say, 'Good morning, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
" 'though we've just been trying to think what's good about it.' " | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
"May 9th, my birthday. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
"A nice woman in a leopardskin coat who always speaks | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
"wishes me a happy birthday. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
"I say that I wish it was. 'Why, what's happened?' | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
" 'Last Thursday, the election.' | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
" 'Oh, you don't want to worry about that. They're all the same.' | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
"At which point - we're in Shepherd's, the grocers - | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
"I hear myself, as very rarely, shouting at the top of my voice, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
" 'No, they are not all the same. This lot are self-seeking liars! | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
" 'The Cabinet included. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
" 'And we're landed with them for another five years.' | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
"She tries to calm me down but I tell her not to bother, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
"with other customers peeping round the shelves | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
"to see who's making all this din. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
"She's waiting outside the shop | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
"with a cake she's bought me for my birthday, and I kind of apologise. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
"But as I walk back home, I wonder how long it will be | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
"before this crew turn their attention to the BBC." | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Well... | 0:21:43 | 0:21:44 | |
I love the detail of the cake. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
Yes, I know! It made me feel terrible. Anyway... | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
So, are you still shouting at people in Shepherd's? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
I very, very rarely shout... | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
I'm too self-conscious to shout. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
But... | 0:22:06 | 0:22:07 | |
I don't know, it seemed appropriate then. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
This is Beyond The Fringe, which was 1960 or '61. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:22 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
How will it be, this end of which you have spoken, Brother? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
Aye, how will it be? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
And photographs of us taken by Lewis Morley. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
I can't bear to think of it now. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
-Why? -Well, it was just embarrassing, you know. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
Four, three, two, one... | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
zero. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
-ALL CHANT: -Now is the end. There is the world. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:59 | |
It was GMT, wasn't it? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
That's Dudley Moore. And that's me. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
That's Peter Cook and that's Jonathan Miller. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
And this is Brighton Pier. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
Brighton was the only place which hated it | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
and the theatre was only half full, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
and then by the end, it was even a quarter full | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
because everybody'd left. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
'Welcome to the 1405 Virgin Trains service to Leeds. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
'Train guard Bob Taylor speaking. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
'We shall be calling at Peterborough, Doncaster, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
'Wakefield Westgate, Leeds...' | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
We go up home, I call it home, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
but we go up to Yorkshire every fortnight. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
So there's often stuff on the train. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
This is one of those. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:58 | |
"21st May, 2012. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
"A plumpish young man gets off the train at Leeds just behind me. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:09 | |
" 'Aren't you famous?' | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
" 'Well, I can't be, can I, if you don't know my name?' | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
" 'It's, uh... It's Alan something.' | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
" 'Yes.' | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
" 'From Scarborough?' | 0:24:19 | 0:24:20 | |
" 'No.' | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
" 'So, which Alan are you?' | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
" 'I'm another Alan.' | 0:24:25 | 0:24:26 | |
" 'Are you just a lookalike?' | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
" 'Well, you could say so.' | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
"He pats my arm consolingly. 'Be happy with that.' " | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
It's the patting of the arm that I liked! | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
My whole life being consoled. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
'..passengers who have joined this Virgin Trains service | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
'at Peterborough...' | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
"May 15th. Shortly after the East Coast franchise had been sold off | 0:24:51 | 0:24:57 | |
"to a tie-up between Virgin and Stagecoach, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
"I'm sitting waiting for Rupert on Leeds Station | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
"when this notice is flashed up." | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
" 'Hello, Leeds. Meet Virgin Trains. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
" 'We've just arrived and we can't wait to get to know you.' | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
" 'And to take you for every penny you've got.' " | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
MUSIC: Act III trio from Der Rosenkavalier by Richard Strauss | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
I heard Der Rosenkavalier in the Grand Theatre in Leeds in 1951. | 0:25:54 | 0:26:02 | |
I was a very naive boy. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
I mean, it starts off with Octavian, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
who is the lover of the Marschallin, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
and they're having breakfast together. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
And I just thought he'd called by for tea and toast. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
I didn't realised he'd been spending the night with her. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
But at the same time, the last act anyway, certainly, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
is all about renunciation and about the impossibility of love | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
and this I didn't need explaining. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
I understood that at 17, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
and I felt that was what my life was going to be like. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
But I know the music and I play the music, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
but I've never wanted to see another production. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
It must have gone home to me, because I came out and I think the theatre | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
had recently been repainted | 0:27:24 | 0:27:25 | |
and my hands were covered in the gilt from the bar of the gods | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
that I'd been gripping during the music. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
"September 11th. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
"David Cameron has been in Leeds, preaching to businessmen | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
"the virtues of what he calls the smart state. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
"This seems to be a state that | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
"gets away with doing as little as possible for its citizens | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
"and shuffling as many responsibilities as it can | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
"onto whomever thinks they can make a profit out of them. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
"I'm glad there wasn't a smart state | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
"when I was being brought up in Leeds. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
"A state that was un-smart enough | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
"to see me and others like me educated free of charge | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
"and sent on at the city's expense to university, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
"provided with splendid libraries, cheap transport | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
"and a terrific art gallery, not to mention the city's hospitals. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
"Smart, to Mr Cameron, seems to mean | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
"doing as little as one can get away with and calling it enterprise. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
"Smart, as in smart aleck, smart of the smart answer, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:47 | |
"which I'm sure Mr Cameron has to hand. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
"Dead smart." | 0:28:50 | 0:28:51 | |
Well, I believe in the state because I owe everything to the state. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
And that's not the sentimental view, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
but the notion that the state is some sort of villain... | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
I know it sounds absurd, and I hate the phrase "nanny state", | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
but I can see the state as maternal. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
I don't think that's foolish. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
It's one of my life's regrets that we've never kept a donkey. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
I don't know whether that's worthwhile saying. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
Well... I'd long for a donkey. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
I used to go and stay with Alec and Merula Guinness in Hampshire. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
And there was a donkey in the next field. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
I remember once I was sitting there, feeling rather sorry for myself, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
I don't know why. But this donkey came up and licked my head. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:04 | |
And I thought, how wonderful to have a sympathetic creature like that, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
because they are, they just are immensely sympathetic. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
You do a rather famous Eeyore. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
Yes, I know, but that's... | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
That's less to do with a donkey than me being a miserable sod! | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
MUSIC: I Can Give You The Starlight by Ivor Novello | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
"Rupert, having spent most of the evening watching Wuthering Heights, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
"turns to me at the finish and says, 'You're rather like Heathcliff.' | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
"Me, gratified: 'Really?' | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
"Rupert: 'Yeah. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:49 | |
-" 'Difficult, Northern, and a -BLEEP.' -" | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
I don't think he wanted it repeating. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
# Has changed my ways and taught me | 0:31:02 | 0:31:08 | |
# And brought me... # | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
So, this is I Can Give You The Starlight by Ivor Novello, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
sung by Mary Ellis. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
My partner of 23 years, he's Welsh. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
And he claims to be distantly related to Ivor Novello. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
But then I suspect lots of people in Wales do that. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
But it reminds him of his grandma and it reminds me of mine. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
# I can give you the ocean | 0:31:37 | 0:31:44 | |
# Deep and tender devotion... # | 0:31:44 | 0:31:51 | |
These are pictures of our civil partnership... | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
If I can get the box open. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:00 | |
..which was in 2006... | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
..at Camden Registry Office. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
# Call and I shall be | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
# All you ask of me | 0:32:12 | 0:32:18 | |
# Music in spring | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
# Flowers for a king | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
# All these I bring to you. # | 0:32:28 | 0:32:40 | |
That's Kate, Jonathan Miller's daughter, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
who's Rupert's best friend. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
And that's Owen, who's Rupert's younger brother. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
You can't see, but behind them are Diana and Graham, Rupert's parents. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
The registrar wanted to zhuzh it up a bit, rather, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
and said, "Are you having music?" "No, we're not having music." | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
"Are you having flowers?" | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
"Not really." | 0:33:12 | 0:33:13 | |
I think Rupert would have been happy to have much more of a do, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:18 | |
but it was the simplest possible occasion. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
They might be at a funeral, I mean... | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:33:25 | 0:33:26 | |
Everybody very serious. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
It was only afterwards I realised | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
that it was virtually a rerun of the way my parents got married. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
But anyway... | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
..it's lasted. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:39 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:33:39 | 0:33:40 | |
I don't know whether we even went out to supper. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
Probably we were trying not to make it feel different, really. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
I felt we were just trying to make it ordinary. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
Why did you want to do it, then? | 0:33:53 | 0:33:54 | |
Well, there were all sorts of reasons. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
Particularly with me getting on | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
and the fact that I'm much older than Rupert. If I died, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
I wanted my estate to go to him. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
So that was one reason. But the other reason was... | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
I think even at that time, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
you felt you were making some sort of a declaration, really. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
We're going to move now to what some people think of as an almost perfect | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
musical expression of Christian faith, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
the St Matthew Passion by Bach. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
They did the St Matthew Passion at Leeds Parish Church | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
in the Monday in Holy Week. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
And I used to go with the church youth club. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
I was very religious at the time. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
The chorales were what appealed to me. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
And I think in the parish church, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
they were treated as hymns and the audience joined in and sang. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
Hymns particularly are something you never really get rid of, really. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
They're always there. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
And they're the thing that reduces me to tears, or can do. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
CHOIR SINGS: St Matthew Passion by Johann Sebastian Bach | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and a very warm welcome to Clapham, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
if this is your first time here. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
It's so lovely to see a full church. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
If you'd like to come at 11 o'clock tomorrow, you'll be most welcome. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
I'm the churchwarden. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:03 | |
But it is really lovely to be able to celebrate the wonderful people | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
that we have in our village. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:10 | |
So will you please welcome Mr Alan Bennett? | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
They never say to me, "Oh, it's good this year." There's never... | 0:36:16 | 0:36:21 | |
Am I the only person who tells us a little bit like that? | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
Telling a story is always a difficult problem. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
I've never been very good at plots. I can do dialogue fairly happily, | 0:36:28 | 0:36:33 | |
but I can never think of any reason why anybody should come on the stage | 0:36:33 | 0:36:39 | |
and when they should go off the stage. And so, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
my confidence in my own storytelling isn't good. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
'I don't have much left in the way of belief, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
'certainly not in the way of petitioning God for anything, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
'but when I do miss God is' | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
not having anyone to thank | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
when I've had a deliverance or a stroke of luck. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
I just feel I want to be grateful to someone | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
and there's no-one to be grateful to. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
'You were quite a pious young person. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
'As a boy, I was very religious, but none of that is left. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
'Although I'm more religious than Rupert, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
'who is very hot on any evidence, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
'any remnant of religious belief on my part.' | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
If we go into old churches, which we do quite a bit, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
until middle life, I think, I would kneel down or I would sit anyway | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
and maybe say something, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
but not any more. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
And Rupert dislikes any church which has too much evidence of religion | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
about it. He prefers a church that's absolutely plain. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
He'll maybe run to a cross on the altar but not much more than that. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
-Enjoy your dinner. -Thank you. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
MUSIC: Symphony Number 1 by William Walton | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
Music from the first movement of William Walton's Symphony Number 1 | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
in B flat minor in a recording made, actually, in Leeds Town Hall. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
Right! | 0:38:26 | 0:38:27 | |
The first time I heard it, I was absolutely mystified by it. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
I mean, I think I spent the time counting the organ pipes | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
because I was just so bored. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:38 | |
And then the next time, I was at home with it, you know, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
so it had gone in. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
Yes. I remember going in there. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
So, what was this? | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
This was the grown-ups' library. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
And you went into the children's library through there. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
-Hi. -Hello. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:24 | |
I was saying, the thing where you had your books stamped, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
-we used to be in the centre of the room. -Oh, right. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
Yeah. But it was quite an intimidating place to come into | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
-when you were a child. -Really? -Yeah. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
There was a British Legion man with lots of medals | 0:39:40 | 0:39:47 | |
and if you made any noise at all, he would shout at you. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
"I've always been happy in libraries, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
"though without ever being entirely at ease there. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
"A library, I used to feel, was like a cocktail party, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:08 | |
"with everybody standing with their back to me. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
"I could not find a way in. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:12 | |
"The first library I did find my way into was the Armley Public Library | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
"in Leeds, where a reader's ticket cost tuppence in 1940. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
"Not tuppence a time or even tuppence a year. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
"But just tuppence. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
"That was all you ever had to pay." | 0:40:29 | 0:40:30 | |
-Hi. -Hello there. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:39 | |
-Photocopying, I'm afraid. -That's all right. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
What have you got? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
-Bye. -Bye. -Bye. -See you later. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
"5th March, 2014. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
"On my walk, I passed the Primrose Hill Community Library, | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
"which is closed to borrowers today but open for children, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
"who throng the junior library, some of them sitting with an adult, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
"presumably learning to read, others in groups being told stories, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:13 | |
"and at every table, children reading on their own. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
"This library is one of those institutions that Mark Littlewood, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
"the head of the right-wing think tank | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
"the Institute of Economic Affairs, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
"said would make a useful retail outlet, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
"a facility and a building for which | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
"there was no longer a social purpose. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
"As a so-called economist, Littlewood presumably thinks | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
"the place would be better used as a Pizza Hut." | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
Hmm. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
The Institute of Economic Affairs, it shelters behind this title - | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
people will think it's a... | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
you know, an apolitical organisation, but it's not, | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
it's a right-wing pressure group. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
And then there's the letter from the New York Public Library | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
about becoming a Library Lion. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
-Hi. -Hi. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:35 | |
What happened? | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
Oh, I don't know. I'm totally confused. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
I mean, I thought we were to be presented with this medal | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
but in fact, they said, "Put this on." | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
Where is everybody? Where's your entourage? | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
Well, they were supposed to come at seven, you see, so, I mean... | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
They'll be here. In due course. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
Have you met your fellow Lions? | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
No. I think Gloria Steinem is the one in bobble trousers. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
But other than that, I don't know. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
I didn't know until I was packing that it was a black-tie affair | 0:43:12 | 0:43:17 | |
and I'd got so far on with my packing, I couldn't face unpacking, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:22 | |
and so I'm just wearing a suit. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
That's the nice thing about getting older. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
If I were 18 and I'd found that out, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
I'd have moved heaven and earth not to be conspicuous. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:34 | |
But when you're older, you don't care, so it's all right. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
The primary purpose, though, tonight | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
is to recognise our five outstanding Lions and their inspired | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
contributions to our world. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
They include award-winning author and playwright Alan Bennett... | 0:43:52 | 0:43:57 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
Yes, I think it's a fundraiser. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
Though I can't imagine many people would pay much to come and see me! | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
Do you know what people have to pay? | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
I think... I don't like to say, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
but I think it's 100,000 a table, I think. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:17 | |
MUSIC: Bewitched, Bothered And Bewildered by Rodgers and Hart | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
# After one whole quart of brandy | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
# Like a daisy, I'm awake | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
# With no Bromo-Seltzer handy | 0:44:30 | 0:44:34 | |
# I don't even shake... # | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
This was when Nicholas Hytner did Private Passions in 2002. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
One of the records he chose was | 0:44:43 | 0:44:48 | |
Ella Fitzgerald singing Bewitched, which I think is from Kiss Me Kate. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
And I'd never heard it... | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
I never listened to the words, really. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
And the words are wonderfully, wonderfully funny | 0:44:58 | 0:45:03 | |
and it was one of the strands that came together in The History Boys, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:08 | |
the play about school that I wrote, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
when it was sung by Sam Barnett, as a... | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
..as a gay song, really, and... | 0:45:17 | 0:45:22 | |
and was very both funny and touching, really, in the play. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:27 | |
-SAMUEL BARNETT: -# I'm wild again | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
# Beguiled again | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
# A simpering, whimpering child again | 0:45:33 | 0:45:38 | |
# Bewitched, bothered and bewildered am I... # | 0:45:38 | 0:45:46 | |
"11th June, 2006, New York. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
"Back here for the second time in six weeks, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
"to Lynn's 16th Street apartment, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
"which is the penthouse of a small 1930s skyscraper | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
"with a balcony all the way around | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
"and views uptown to the Chrysler Building and Central Park | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
"and to the west the Hudson and the Jersey shore. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
"It's warm and windy, and sitting in the bedroom with the door open, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
"I can see the Empire State Building reflected in the mirror opposite." | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
# I'll sing to him, each spring to him | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
# And worship the trousers that cling to him | 0:46:25 | 0:46:33 | |
# Bewitched... # | 0:46:35 | 0:46:36 | |
"We have a long brunch at the Odeon, | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
"then walk back to 16th Street to prepare for the Tonys this evening. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
"In the event of our winning the Best Play award, | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
"we had agreed beforehand that | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
"the boys should all come up to receive it, which indeed they do. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
"And then bundled out through a back door and across the street | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
"to Rockefeller Plaza, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
"where a whole floor has been given over to the press. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
"I'm thrust blinking onto a stage facing a battery of lights while | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
"questions come out of the darkness, the best of which | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
"is, 'Do you think this award will kick-start your career?' | 0:47:11 | 0:47:16 | |
"News of my lacklustre performance on this podium must have got round | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
"quickly, because I'm then taken down a long corridor off which | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
"various TV shows and radio shows have mics and cameras | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
"and there's more humiliation. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
" 'Do you want him?' asks the PA at each doorway, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
"the answer more often than not being, 'Nah'. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
"So, I only score about four brief interviews | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
"before I'm pushed through another door and find | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
"I'm suddenly back in the street in the rain | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
"and it's all more or less over." | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
MUSIC: Alto Rhapsody by Johannes Brahms | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
Kathleen Ferrier's voice in the Alto Rhapsody, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
it is a voice like no other. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
It's so rich and yet it's austere. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
My parents heard her very, very early on, I suppose, in her career | 0:48:32 | 0:48:37 | |
in about 1946, | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
when she came to Leeds and did a concert at Brunswick Chapel | 0:48:39 | 0:48:45 | |
in the slums of South Leeds. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
And they came home full of this young woman they'd heard singing, | 0:48:47 | 0:48:54 | |
and Kathleen Ferrier's voice drifting out over the grimy snow | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
is really what music means to me, in a way. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
And that's in Yorkshire, in their garden, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
when they were retired. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
So that's the house you now have. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
Yes. Yes. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:28 | |
So, when did you buy the house in Clapham? | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
1966. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
Which was when my dad was able to give up the shop. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
So, have you been going up there since '66, really? | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:47 | |
Well, it had a difficult start because my mother, in her... | 0:49:48 | 0:49:53 | |
what...60s, I suppose, began to suffer from depression. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
Her first onset of depression came, | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
I suppose, with the stress of moving, really, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
so for the first four or five weeks, she was in hospital | 0:50:06 | 0:50:11 | |
and then recovered very quickly and came back | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
and she thought it was the most wonderful place when she was better. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
But in some ways, | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
it was the happiest time of their lives then. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
-Hiya, are you all right? -"Easter Saturday, Yorkshire. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:54 | |
"With a bad ankle, | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
"I edge my way carefully down the stairs | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
"and delicately round the garden. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
"I still have the absurd notion that, as with any other ailment, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:10 | |
"age and infirmity will run its course and I will recover from it. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
"But there is no recovery, or only one, | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
"it doesn't always occur." | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
That's me in the garden. I'm not a gardener. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
That's about all I'm fit for - | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
cutting down the Alchemilla mollis, this is. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
Dad loved having a garden, which he'd never had all his life. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:42 | |
Did he live long there? | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
No. From 1966 till 1974. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
And Mam was... | 0:51:53 | 0:51:54 | |
She began to suffer from depression, you can see it in her face. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
You know, she is not well. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
But she did live there on her own for a while, did she? | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
Yes, she did. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:04 | |
But it wasn't easy. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
I mean, it can never be easy anyway if you have been married to somebody | 0:52:06 | 0:52:10 | |
for nearly 50 years, you know. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
But at that time, depression wasn't really talked about. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
It was a total mystery to me and my father and my brother. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:23 | |
Somebody totally transformed, their personality just altered. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:28 | |
CLOCK CHIMES THE HOUR | 0:52:28 | 0:52:33 | |
The tree is not very old, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
but the fairy... | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
Well, she must be all of 84 years old, really. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
She's been refurbished in various ways. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
I mean, she lost her wings and my mam made her wings out of foil | 0:52:46 | 0:52:52 | |
and a skirt out of a lampshade fringe. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
My mother used to make lampshades, | 0:52:57 | 0:52:58 | |
it was a thing she liked doing. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
But she always looks to me, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:04 | |
whenever I see her every Christmas, as being really terrified. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
Terrified of being hung by the neck on the Christmas tree, I imagine. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
# Softly and gently | 0:53:17 | 0:53:27 | |
# Dearly ransomed soul... # | 0:53:27 | 0:53:34 | |
Softly And Gently Dear Parted Soul. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
This is a piece which I know is quite important to you. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
It's The Dream Of Gerontius, by Elgar. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
I wonder, when you listen to this, what you think, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
and whether this too takes you back. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
Well, again, it's to Leeds Town Hall. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
Elgar, I wouldn't have been sitting behind the orchestra when I heard it | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
because when there was a chorus, | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
we were all displaced and had to sit in the body of the hall. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:04 | |
It somehow embodies for me the North | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
and a choral society in the North. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
MUSIC CONTINUES | 0:54:12 | 0:54:17 | |
This is an entry for 2007 about my father, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:29 | |
who, during the war, eked out his Co-op butcher's income | 0:54:29 | 0:54:34 | |
by making fretwork toys | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
which he sold to a smart toy shop down County Arcade in Leeds. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
Penguins were his speciality. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
He used to paint them and they would be totally featureless | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
until he put the eye in and then they became creatures. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
But I wrote about this in my diary in the London Review Of Books | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
and a woman wrote to me, | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
saying that her late husband collected penguins and they had one | 0:54:59 | 0:55:04 | |
that they thought might be one that my father had made. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
And she sent me a picture and it was one of my dad's penguins. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
And then she sent me the actual penguin. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
So it's one of the few relics I have of my father. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:19 | |
But it's a cheerful piece. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
I smile when I look at it. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
This is a picture by Anthony Crolla | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
and it's on the cover of the book which is currently | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
and maybe will end up being called Keeping On Keeping On. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
Rupert says, "As long as it's not called Banging On Banging On," | 0:55:48 | 0:55:53 | |
which some of it is, but anyway... | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
That's part of keeping on. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
And that's the final entry for the diaries | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
-because it makes it a bit more of a conclusion. -Yeah. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
It's December 31st, 2015. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
"Wanting to wind up this year with something resounding, I'm at a loss. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:16 | |
"It's that flat time after Christmas when nothing happens | 0:56:18 | 0:56:22 | |
"and on this last afternoon of 2015, little occurs. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:27 | |
"I'm now 81, | 0:56:29 | 0:56:30 | |
"which, though it has been a long time coming, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
"is still a bit of a surprise. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
"I'm comforted, as I have been in the past, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
"by something said by the Argentinian author Borges. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
" 'All the books I have ever written | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
" 'fill me only with a complex feeling of repentance.' | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
"I take this to mean that he's never written the perfect book... | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
"..as who has? | 0:56:54 | 0:56:55 | |
"So, we keep on keeping on." | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
Perfect! | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
MUSIC: Softly And Gently by Elgar | 0:57:01 | 0:57:06 | |
I think about the boy I was, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
listening to that and to other stuff in Leeds Town Hall, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
and I think, if I could come up behind myself, | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
as I was then and as a boy wondering what life had in store, | 0:57:54 | 0:57:59 | |
I think I'd just say, "It's going to be all right." | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
And it has been all right. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:06 | |
I've been very lucky. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:09 | |
Hm. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:33 | |
"Postscript. | 0:58:39 | 0:58:41 | |
"Thursday, June 23rd, 2016, the day of the referendum, | 0:58:41 | 0:58:47 | |
"I spend sitting at the kitchen table, | 0:58:47 | 0:58:50 | |
"correcting the proofs of these diaries, | 0:58:50 | 0:58:53 | |
"finishing them on Friday morning | 0:58:53 | 0:58:55 | |
"before going off to Yorkshire in despair. | 0:58:55 | 0:58:58 | |
"I imagine this must have been what Munich was like in 1938. | 0:59:00 | 0:59:04 | |
"Half the nation rejoicing at a supposed deliverance, | 0:59:04 | 0:59:08 | |
"the other half stunned by the country's self-serving cowardice. | 0:59:08 | 0:59:13 | |
"Well...we shall see." | 0:59:14 | 0:59:17 |