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COMMENTATOR: Live from Los Angeles,

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the 29th annual Grammy awards.

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BOTH: And the album of the year is...

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Unbelievable! That's beautiful!

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The crowd is happy!

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GRACELAND!

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I'd like to thank the singers and musicians from South Africa who worked with me on Graceland,

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who live, along with other South African artists and their countrymen,

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under one of the most repressive regimes on the planet today

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and still they are able to produce

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music of great power and nuance and joy.

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THEY SING A SOUTH AFRICAN SONG

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We were influenced by American music. It was influenced by us.

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It was sharing information, so it was a two-way traffic.

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We used Paul as much as Paul used us.

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There was no abuse.

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He came at the right time to break South African music more into the mainstream market.

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If he has sold more than 14 million copies worldwide of Graceland, that says a lot.

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Over 14 million people in the world know what South African music is.

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Graceland was a particularly benign record.

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I think it described

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South African culture in a way that was very accurate.

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It was certainly not complete.

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It didn't touch on the anger that was pervasive,

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but it did touch on the other part of the culture where people laughed,

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where there was dancing, where life was being celebrated.

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The global village and the vocabulary are getting smaller because we are speaking one language.

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But it's the search for one's self...

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..that you end up finding yourself in somebody else's thing, you know.

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It's something in the air. It's not controlled by any individual.

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When there is a good songwriter somewhere, he'll touch the rest of the world with just one word.

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-It was a dry wind and it swept across the desert

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-And it curled into the circle of birth

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-And the dead sand was falling on the children

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-The mothers and the fathers and the automatic earth

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-These are the days of miracle and wonder

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-This is the long-distance call

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-The way the camera follows us in slo-mo

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-The way we look to us all Oh, yeah

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-The way we look to a distant constellation

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-That's dying in a corner of the sky

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-These are the days of miracle and wonder

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-Don't cry, baby, don't cry, don't cry...

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Let's roll back.

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I think we always knew that this would be the start of the album.

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I mean, it began so unusually and the sound of those drums at the top

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sounded so African...

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that it really was like an announcement that said, "You haven't heard this before."

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HEAVY DRUMS AND ACCORDION

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-It was a slow day and the sun was beating

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-On the soldiers by the side of the road

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-There was a bright light, a shattering of shop windows

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-The bomb in the baby carriage was wired to the radio

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-These are the days of miracle and wonder

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-This is the long-distance call

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-The way the camera follows us in slo-mo...

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My favourite track is "The Boy In The Bubble".

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It represents that whole feel and experience - a very dark,

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brooding quality about it.

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And, er, to me it most represents the whole trip,

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the whole concept and the whole feel of recording in that studio over there.

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These were originally jams. Basically, they were jams - 10, 15 minutes, half an hour.

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And lo and behold maybe a song would come out of that.

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It was important to record these guys with good eye contact, close together.

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Not everybody in their own little room.

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Let's try to control the leakage the best we can,

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so the eye contact and the feel is in the room.

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And record it, so back in New York we can delete that, add this,

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add these four bars, put these four over here, these three bars here,

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and be able do that without a mess.

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What we added to the accordion to make the sound deeper was...

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We added a synthesizer to deepen the sound.

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-Like this.

-MUSIC GETS DEEPER

-In proportion...

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Similarly, with the drums...

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Here's the sample added to the snare.

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STEADY DRUM BEAT

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This happens quite a bit in Graceland.

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Sounds are added to the original sounds to make things sound deeper.

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Over here...

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BELLS CHIME

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Well, here's bells.

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They're tucked in the background just to give things a natural echo sound.

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Here's me singing voices to fit in with the accordion.

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VOCAL TRACK IS ADDED

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I'm just making up sounds.

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-These are the days of miracle and wonder

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-This is the lo-ong-distance ca-all

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-The way the camera follows us in slo-mo

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-The way we look to us all, oh, yeah

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-The way we look to a distant constellation

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-That's dying in a corner of the sky

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-These are the days of miracle and wonder

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-Don't cry, baby, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry...

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It was clear that Paul

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was coming to the end of writing songs the way he had written before.

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He said to me a number of times that he wasn't interested in writing hits.

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He wasn't interested.

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Here was a man at a very crucial place in his career,

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looking for something to do, for a larger canvas to work on.

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It's important to look at it in the context of Paul's music at that time.

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It was a difficult time for me.

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I started to work on an album

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that became Hearts And Bones.

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When I did a reunion concert with Art Garfunkel, half a million people showed up.

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Then we decided to go out and do some concerts - a classic mistake.

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The album came out - an album that had been announced as Simon and Garfunkel -

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now came out as this solo album.

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I was exhausted. I didn't do any work to promote it. I just put it out.

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And it was a flop.

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And in the midst of all of that touring,

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um, I got married.

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And, er...

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I married Carrie Fisher

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in the middle of that tour.

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You know, I mean...

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What was I thinking? Certainly not thinking about life.

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You actually have to stop.

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Marriage is a hard thing to... to...er, to do.

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You need to concentrate on that. Not everything can happen at once.

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All kinds of mistakes on top of mistakes, on top of mistakes.

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So now I had, you know, a personal blow in my life,

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and a career setback.

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And the combination of the two put me into a tailspin.

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Around that time, I was building a house in Montauk, Long Island.

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And while I drove out, I would listen to this tape that a friend had given me.

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And I really liked that tape.

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After weeks of driving back and forth and listening to the tape,

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I thought, "What is this tape? This is my favourite tape.

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"I wonder who this is." And that's when things perked up.

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That led me to asking the people at Warner Brothers to trace them for me.

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They traced it to South Africa,

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and in early 1985 I set off with Roy Halee to begin this.

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And in a very good mood, too. I said, "This is going to be fun."

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Warner Brothers had never heard of a recording process like this.

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They thought - I'm sure - when we were doing this, that Paul Simon and Roy Halee were crazy.

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You can't make a record like that. How can you go to Africa? You don't even have a song.

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I'm sure, I KNOW they thought we were both nuts.

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I said I have one big advantage going by being as cold as I am.

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Nobody is paying any attention to me. I can do this all, you know, very privately.

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Nobody will ask, "Can you send us a copy? Can we hear it?" None of that will happen.

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I had finished with my disappointments and sorrows.

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WOMEN SING IN ZULU

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'My father was a musician.

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'I grew up with musicians. I'm comfortable with musicians. I hang out with musicians.

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'Studios are friendly environments to me.'

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There's nothing in a studio you can't solve.

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It's not the same as life. You'll figure it out one way or the other.

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It's a happy work environment.

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-I'll sing what I said

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-We come and we go

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-That's a thing I keep in the back of my head

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-I'll sing what I have said

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-We come and we go-o

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-It's a thing that I keep in the back of my head...

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I was having a ball, recording it.

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To record these guys for a guy like me, from my background - everything so organised.

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Hearing the rawness, the earthiness of this, I was in seventh heaven.

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It was getting good grooves and coming back and rewriting it.

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There was nothing really written.

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All of Paul's albums - anything I ever did - songs were written in the studio.

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Paul loved to write and create great things in the studio.

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But in the studio, Paul would say, "Wait till you hear this!"

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and you'd hear Mrs Robinson. There it is.

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Here there's nothing. It's an idea, a concept, nothing on paper.

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So it was a gamble, I guess.

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We cut another track with the Tao Ea Matsekha group.

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I only liked the drums. I kept them in and we overdubbed on these drums.

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DRUM BEAT

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To my ear, certain words or certain sounds that became words,

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sometimes those words formed a phrase and it was interesting.

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Sometimes it was banal. Sometimes it made no sense, like "I'm going to Graceland."

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That phrase sang very well against what was happening in the track.

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It was comfortable to sing that, so I sang it,

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thinking all along that I would replace it.

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Until I realised I'm not going to replace it. It's always going to be in my head.

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-I'm going to Graceland, Graceland Memphis, Tennessee

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-I'm going to Graceland...

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I was concerned that that lyric, with all those words, was very wordy.

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Rhythmically, they didn't fit.

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He would alter the way he would sing. He would phrase it thousands of different ways to make it work.

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It would always feel uncomfortable.

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There were times we both thought, "We're not going to get this."

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But Paul, with his spirit, "I'm going to get this."

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At first I thought I had a problem.

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Soon after that, I began to think, "No. Now I have an adventure.

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"Instead of resisting what's going on, I'll go with it.

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"And I'll be carried along and find out where we're going.

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"Instead of assuming I'm captain of the ship, I'm just a passenger."

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-The Mississippi Delta was shining like a national guitar

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-I am following the river down the highway

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-Through the cradle of the civil war

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-I'm going to Graceland, Graceland Memphis, Tennessee

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-I'm going to Graceland

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-Poor boys and pilgrims with families

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-And we are going to Graceland

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I always think of this shape -

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meaning that you begin and the possibilities are going to go out this way.

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It means you have a good story to tell, as opposed to this shape,

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which means in the second verse or something, you've finished.

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So you want to begin in a way that leaves a lot of possibility.

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Sometimes you play something and you don't know what it is.

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Later, if the person you're working with has more information than you,

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you end up knowing what you are playing.

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What I heard him play was great, but it lacked something.

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Hence, I ended up saying to him, "Why don't you put a minor there?"

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I could hear him playing a straight...

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Then I thought that if I went to the minor instead of the major...

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HE MOVES TO THE MINOR

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This is what I played against Ray's electric guitar on Graceland.

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When he played it up here,

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I played it over here.

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Except I used a lighter pick.

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HE HUMS THE MELODY

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Graceland is my favourite record.

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Favourite record, my favourite...

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song that I ever wrote.

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This is it, the best I ever did.

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HE HUMS THE MELODY

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Perfect.

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It begins so relaxed. There's no lyrics.

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It's taking its time.

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-The Mississippi Delta was shining like a national guitar...

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'Good opening line.'

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-I am following the river down the highway

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-Through the cradle of the civil war

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-I'm going to Graceland, Graceland Memphis, Tennessee...

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-Umbada-ba-dah.

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-In the major, but if I want to go...

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-Bo-doh, bo-boh, bo-oh, Dee-doh, doh-un-doh, bo-boh.

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I can make it major or minor.

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-My travelling companion is nine years old

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-The child of my first marriage...

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I don't know why I like that. I guess there are a lot of first marriages.

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-..received in Graceland...

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'Now the lick is under the lyrics.'

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-She comes back to tell me she's go-o-one...

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Under.

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-As if I didn't know that As if I didn't know my own bed...

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Now it's not...

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-As if I'd...

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There's the lick again.

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-..her hair from her forehead

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-And she said lo-oo-sing love is like a window in your heart...

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'I found that line touching.'

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-Everybody sees you're blown apart

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-Everybody sees the wind blo-ow

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-I'm going to Graceland

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-Memphis, Tennessee I'm going to Graceland...

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-I didn't sing Graceland twice here. The first time, I'm going,

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-Graceland, Graceland.

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This time, I only sing it once. Each time, I vary it.

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-..ghosts and empty sockets, are looking at ghosts and empties...

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The only line I'd rewrite.

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-But I've reason to believe we all will be received in Graceland...

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We've got the Everly Brothers. Let's see what they sound like.

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# Poor boys and pilgrims with families

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# And we are going to Graceland.

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# My travelling companions are ghosts and empty sockets

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# I'm looking at ghosts and empties... #

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Too many words.

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# But I've reason to believe We all will be received in Graceland... #

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This was a very in-depth compositional effort.

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It wasn't just a question of taking a few rhythms and a few drummers.

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This was a real composition...

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that was made on the basis of that material.

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Ah...but...so...ah...

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So he elevated this research that turned into this record.

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He elevated that enterprise into something I don't think anyone has done since.

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It's been recomposed and processed by the way Paul worked on it.

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-I'm going to Graceland...

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No "Memphis, Tennessee". I'm not talking about Memphis, now.

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Memphis was only in the beginning. Now we're in another place.

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-..obliged to defend Every love, every ending Or maybe there's no obligations now

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-Maybe I've a reason to believe We all will be received in Graceland...

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When I was there, when I first went there, Nelson Mandela was in prison.

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And although I always thought there would be a peaceful resolution to the politics of South Africa,

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I never thought it would be this fast.

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The younger generation was ready and hungry for the outside world,

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tired of being ostracised, ready to celebrate their own culture.

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And so did black South Africans feel that way.

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Because when I was there to record,

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they were listening to American music.

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They weren't listening to their own music.

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That was already passe.

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South African music was oppressed as the people were.

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But there was a lot of apartheid in the music.

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I remember it was called "gaffle" music, you know. Bantu music, it was called.

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But we listened to American music and Rock 'n' Roll, The Beatles, Paul Simon.

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It's not unusual that cultures misjudge their own history's value, that they're willing to discard it.

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I mean, American culture's doing it.

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What emerged from Graceland,

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as an album and as a tour,

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was that, for the most part,

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it made a very powerful point gently.

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It wasn't an album that said, "There's terrible evil here."

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It said, "There's incredible beauty here."

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That was a very powerful point.

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And in conjunction with the world's anger towards South Africa -

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the attack on the fortress of apartheid -

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the walls eventually cracked and I think Graceland was a factor in that.

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People could think, who hadn't thought this before,

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"How can people be treated so inhumanely,

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"when they have so much to give the world?"

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# Emaweni webaba

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Silale maweni

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# Webaba

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Silale maweni

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# Webaba

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-Silale maweni

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-Webaba silale maweni

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# Webaba

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Silale maweni

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Silale maweni

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Silale maweni

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-Webaba silale maweni

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-#

-Webaba silale maweni...

-#

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Sing. # Homeless

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# Homeless

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# Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake

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# Homeless

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# Homeless

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# Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake... #

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I don't think I'm a good "angry" writer.

0:27:080:27:12

I can be an angry person and even articulate my anger in speech, but I'm not a good angry songwriter.

0:27:120:27:21

I think that's why Graceland came out,

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feeling the way that it did.

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Black Mambazo is also not an angry group

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and has done an enormous amount for South Africa and for people.

0:27:310:27:35

After we met with Paul Simon in 1985,

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and we promised each other that we were going to do something together,

0:27:420:27:47

and he composed the song alone. # Homeless, homeless

0:27:470:27:52

# Moonlight sleeping Chai, chai, chai. #

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# Homeless

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# Homeless

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# Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake... #

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I listened to their records a lot.

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Then I tried to write a melody that would be something like a Black Mambazo melody.

0:28:070:28:14

And we listened and we read the letter from him,

0:28:140:28:18

"Joseph, here's the song."

0:28:180:28:21

And then, when we listened to the lyrics, it was beautiful!

0:28:210:28:26

The time came and we went to join Paul Simon in London.

0:28:260:28:32

# Too-loo lo Too-loo lo

0:28:320:28:34

# Too-loo-lo loo loo loo loo loo-loo lo

0:28:340:28:39

# Too-loo lo, Too-loo lo Many dead Tonight it could be you... #

0:28:390:28:44

This is the first little rehearsal in London.

0:28:440:28:49

# ..Tonight it could be you

0:28:490:28:51

# Homeless

0:28:510:28:53

# Homeless

0:28:530:28:54

# Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake... #

0:28:540:28:58

I don't know what happened when we got into the studio.

0:28:580:29:03

It felt like, "Hoo! Where to begin? Where to start?"

0:29:030:29:07

We started to work. Ooh! This language is a little bit hard, talking to him.

0:29:070:29:14

And he's a polite man.

0:29:140:29:17

I told the guys, "Don't worry. He's very good. He's a polite man."

0:29:170:29:23

He said, "Joseph, how do you think about this song?" I said, "Very good. Do you have something...?"

0:29:230:29:30

"Yes. We have something."

0:29:300:29:32

And then we sing that part and we come to "Homeless"

0:29:320:29:37

and it's a little bit difficult to blend the voices -

0:29:370:29:44

an American voice, African voice.

0:29:440:29:46

The first day, it was tough. We're just touching there and then.

0:29:460:29:51

Many people were trying to help us and that was confusing me.

0:29:510:29:57

Ah! I said, "OK."

0:29:570:29:59

And Paul discovered that there was something wrong.

0:29:590:30:04

He said, "Joseph, let us tape this."

0:30:040:30:07

We taped it and he said, "Right. Just go and relax.

0:30:070:30:11

"We see each other tomorrow. OK?"

0:30:110:30:14

At the beginning, it felt a little strained, strange,

0:30:170:30:21

like they weren't sure. Everybody was feeling everybody out.

0:30:210:30:26

And it was hard because they don't produce a lot of sound.

0:30:260:30:30

They are tricky to record. The bass voices are soft. But it warmed up the second day.

0:30:300:30:37

HE HUMS HOMELESS MELODY

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-#

-Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake

0:30:400:30:44

-#

-And we are homeless...

-#

0:30:440:30:46

-That's how they sang it.

-#

-Homeless Moonlight mm-mm, mm-mm...

-#

0:30:460:30:52

I think I did it...

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I think I didn't use a major chord. I think I used minor...

0:30:540:30:59

-#

-Bah-dah...

-#

-Yeah.

0:30:590:31:02

-

-#

-Di dah-dum.

-#

-But they wouldn't use...

0:31:020:31:06

They'd sing...

0:31:080:31:09

-#

-Bah lah-dah

0:31:090:31:13

-#

-Lee-dah

0:31:130:31:14

-#

-Dee dah-dah Do dee-dah dum.

-#

0:31:140:31:19

But I was playing...

0:31:190:31:21

-#

-Homeless Homeless

0:31:210:31:24

-#

-Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake

0:31:240:31:28

-#

-And we are homeless Ho...

-#

0:31:280:31:31

When we got into the studio, I said, "Paul, we have something."

0:31:320:31:37

And Paul said, "Yes!"

0:31:370:31:40

And Paul just, I remember when he said, "Everybody in this studio must go outside."

0:31:400:31:47

We'd begin it # Emaweni webaba... #

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We sang those parts # Silale maweni

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# Silale maweni, silale maweni

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# Webaba silale maweni

0:31:580:32:02

# Webaba silale maweni. #

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And Paul said, "Yes! That's beautiful!"

0:32:060:32:09

And then, "Joseph, I was listening to your record. There's another part in your record...

0:32:090:32:15

"E-i-i. E-i-i-ee. E-i-i-ee." And I was confused.

0:32:150:32:19

"What is that, Paul?"

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"In your record - E-i-i-ee."

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I said. "No. Hih-ih, hih-ih." He said, "Yes!"

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-# Hih-ih, hih-ih, hih-ih

-Somebody say

-Hih-ih, hih-ih

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-#

-Somebody sing

-Hello, hello, hello

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-#

-Somebody say

-Ih, hih-ih, hih-ih

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-#

-Somebody cry

-Why, why, why?

0:32:380:32:41

-#

-Somebody say

-Ih, hih-ih, hih-ih

0:32:410:32:44

-#

-Somebody sing

-Hello, hello, hello

0:32:440:32:47

-#

-Somebody say

-Ih, hih-ih, hih-ih

0:32:470:32:49

-#

-Somebody cry

-Why, why, why?

0:32:490:32:53

-#

-Kulumani

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# Kuluman, Kulumani sizwe Singenze njani

0:32:550:33:01

# Baya jabula abasi thanda

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# Yo-oh. #

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This type of music originated from Zulu songs and dances.

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We grew up on the farm. Now, people - each and every one of us - singing and dancing.

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When we were at home, it was beautiful because there were men, women,

0:33:240:33:30

young, old, grandmother, grandfather, when there's something, they come together

0:33:300:33:37

and share the sound, the music.

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But it started to be lonely when people left their loved ones and went into town to work.

0:33:400:33:46

Now they started to try to find the place where they can get together and sing.

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The music, it's always political because the truth is political.

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That's why, when we started to sing, our people were very happy

0:34:110:34:16

and we just make them have power.

0:34:160:34:21

It was high time that South African artists and international artists should highlight

0:34:230:34:31

the importance of exposing the evils of the past eras of South Africa, like the apartheid era.

0:34:310:34:38

Culture can't be owned by an individual.

0:34:380:34:42

It can be shared by us all.

0:34:420:34:45

But a lot of people were saying negative things -

0:34:450:34:50

"This white man has used our black brothers' music."

0:34:500:34:53

But then you ask yourself, "Where were they?"

0:34:550:35:00

I didn't feel that I was going to South Africa

0:35:050:35:09

to come back and then express a South African outrage -

0:35:090:35:15

"I'll tell the world how you guys are feeling."

0:35:150:35:21

I really didn't feel comfortable with that.

0:35:210:35:24

My feeling was I'm playing with musicians that I have the highest respect for.

0:35:240:35:31

And the way I can show my respect is to write the best possible song

0:35:310:35:38

from my heart that I can write.

0:35:380:35:41

Not to say, "I'll write the best possible song from your heart." I felt that was presumptuous.

0:35:410:35:48

The most unfortunate thing about the beast in us is that we always find wrong when it is right

0:35:480:35:56

and we find right when it is wrong.

0:35:560:35:59

Some things that are beautiful can be turned into an ugly thing

0:35:590:36:04

just for the sake of scoring political points.

0:36:040:36:09

If Paul came to record the album, he would have been in the blacklist,

0:36:090:36:13

but he went a step further because he didn't politicise it by simply writing about what was happening.

0:36:130:36:22

He said, "No. Who am I to talk about people's situations?

0:36:220:36:27

"Why don't I get those people to come on and let us share these beautiful rhythms with the world?"

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# Joseph's face was black as night

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# The pale yellow moon shone in his eyes

0:36:550:37:01

# His path was marked

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# By the stars in the southern hemisphere

0:37:050:37:08

# And he walked his days

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# Under African skies

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-#

-This is the story of how we begin to remember

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SHE SINGS IN ZULU

0:37:200:37:23

-#

-This is the powerful pulsing of love in the vein

0:37:230:37:27

-#

-After the dream of falling and calling your name out

0:37:300:37:34

-#

-These are the roots of rhythm And the roots of rhythm remain...

-#

0:37:360:37:42

I think one of the things about really good art is that it should be there to evoke.

0:37:420:37:50

Paul asked me if I had an image for him.

0:37:500:37:56

He wanted something on the song we were going to sing. He asked what I remembered from my childhood.

0:37:560:38:03

The thing I love most in Arizona is the St Xavier mission,

0:38:030:38:07

which is the most beautiful mission in North America.

0:38:070:38:11

I told him about that.

0:38:110:38:14

That's why he has "In early mem'ry, mission bells are ringing round my nursery door."

0:38:140:38:21

Everybody has their own scenario that can unfold under an African sky.

0:38:210:38:27

It's an idea of possibility.

0:38:270:38:30

It's a story-telling thing like in the African tradition,

0:38:300:38:35

whereby you find that musicians are storytellers.

0:38:350:38:39

They've got to document every happening.

0:38:390:38:43

His lyrics end up complementing the rhythm,

0:38:430:38:47

or the rhythm complementing the lyric.

0:38:470:38:51

Also he's got the subject that says, "It's you. It's me."

0:38:510:38:55

# In early mem'ry

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# Mission music was ringing 'round my nursery door

0:39:010:39:09

# I said, "Take this child, Lord, from Tucson, Arizona

0:39:100:39:17

# Give her the wings to fly through harmony

0:39:170:39:20

# And she won't bother you no more

0:39:200:39:24

# This is the story of how we begin to remember

0:39:240:39:29

# This is the powerful pulsing of love in the vein

0:39:310:39:36

# After the dream of falling and calling your name out

0:39:380:39:44

# These are the roots of rhythm And the roots of rhythm remain

0:39:450:39:50

-# Kaoomba oomba oomba oh

-O-o-oh

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-# Kaoomba oomba oomba oh

-O-o-oh

0:39:570:40:04

-# Kaoomba oomba oomba o-o-o-o-o-oh

-O-o-oh

0:40:040:40:11

-# Kaoomba oomba oomba o-o-o-o-o-oh

-O-o-o-o-o-oh...

-#

0:40:110:40:18

South Africans almost look down upon the music that came from South Africa.

0:40:200:40:26

I guess because of the political situation, we were made to, sort of, feel embarrassed about the music.

0:40:260:40:33

In South Africa, you grew up with blinkers on.

0:40:330:40:39

Take them off, and you could see what was going on.

0:40:390:40:42

PENNY WHISTLE MUSIC

0:40:420:40:45

I heard penny whistle music on every corner.

0:40:450:40:49

Every kid was playing a penny whistle along with a guitar player.

0:40:490:40:54

As a teenager, I used to go to the townships. We'd spend hours there.

0:40:540:41:00

This is the way I absorbed a lot of the music from there.

0:41:000:41:05

It was only when Paul Simon came out with Graceland that people said,

0:41:080:41:13

"Wow! We've got all this gold here."

0:41:130:41:17

I think somebody used that phrase once.

0:41:170:41:20

And, er, then people started realising

0:41:200:41:24

that it's such a great fountain of music that comes from South Africa.

0:41:240:41:30

MUSIC: "You Can Call Me Al"

0:41:420:41:46

BASS GUITAR PLAYS

0:41:540:41:58

It took me a long time before I could begin to write.

0:42:030:42:08

I loved the track so much for a long time I thought,

0:42:080:42:12

"Just put the tracks out because you can't do any better than this.

0:42:120:42:17

"Anything I put on here is just going to make it worse."

0:42:170:42:21

So it took a while before I had the courage to write over these tracks.

0:42:210:42:27

-#

-Shoo-ca do-do-do Shoo-ca de-de-de...

-#

0:42:270:42:31

Not that I particularly wanted to solo,

0:42:310:42:35

but...a lot of voices, a lot of voices, singing instruments

0:42:350:42:43

to create a smoother rhythm sound.

0:42:430:42:46

Here comes the bass.

0:42:460:42:49

-That's the background sample.

-#

-Mm-mm.

-#

0:42:510:42:54

Ladysmith Black Mambazo. The bass, I'll solo it...

0:42:540:42:59

HE PLAYS BASS SOLO

0:42:590:43:02

That bass solo break...

0:43:080:43:10

It was my birthday, May 10th.

0:43:100:43:14

I said to Paul, "I don't know what you're going to do to this part, but I have an idea.

0:43:140:43:21

"I'd like to play something. It's my birthday today. He said, "Wow! OK."

0:43:210:43:26

So, um, then, you know, I came up with this bass line...

0:43:260:43:32

And then a...

0:43:400:43:42

-There's an overdub on the bass.

-#

-Mwah, mwah.

-#

0:43:510:43:55

Two basses happening.

0:43:550:43:57

-#

-Mwah.

-#

0:43:570:43:59

It sounded conventional, so we took the first bar of the solo...

0:44:010:44:07

Spliced it...

0:44:090:44:11

Flipped it and made the second half of the solo the backwards tape of the first half of the solo.

0:44:120:44:19

Backwards.

0:44:210:44:23

OK.

0:44:260:44:28

FULL BACKING TRACK

0:44:280:44:31

OK.

0:44:330:44:34

Here's another backwards...

0:44:350:44:38

-#

-If you'll be my bodyguard...

-#

0:44:380:44:41

If you leave whistling a tune, or tapping your foot, that's the single. That's what they listen for.

0:44:410:44:48

# Oo-oo-oo-ooh Oo-oo-oo-oo-ooh

0:44:480:44:53

-#

-I can call you Betty

-Oo-oo-oo-oo-oo-ooh

0:44:530:44:58

You Can Call Me Al had the hook.

0:45:020:45:04

-And it had the groove.

-#

-Dah-da-da dah.

-#

0:45:040:45:08

What a great hook. That's a great hook.

0:45:080:45:12

-#

-If you'll be my bodyguard I can be your long-lost pal...

-#

0:45:120:45:17

They said, "Make a video."

0:45:170:45:19

-#

-I can call you Betty And, Betty, when you call me You can call me Al...

-#

0:45:190:45:25

It was bad. It was really bad.

0:45:250:45:28

I said, "You can't put this out. This is... You just can't put this out."

0:45:280:45:35

Then, Lorne Michaels, the producer of Saturday Night Live, said, "Do one with Chevy.

0:45:350:45:42

"Chevy knows the words. Let him sing it."

0:45:420:45:45

So we organised it quickly and did that.

0:45:450:45:49

-#

-A man walks down the street It's a street in a strange world

0:45:520:45:55

-#

-Maybe it's the Third World Maybe it's his first time around

0:45:550:45:59

-#

-Doesn't speak the language He holds no currency...

-#

0:45:590:46:03

Although I do think the Chevy Chase video,

0:46:030:46:06

because it was funny and very light,

0:46:060:46:10

you tend to think of the song as funny.

0:46:100:46:15

It is, but with something much more to say.

0:46:150:46:19

So in a certain sense, it undercut the power of what that song meant.

0:46:190:46:26

-#

-I can call you Betty And, Betty, when you call me You can call me Al. Call me...

-#

0:46:290:46:37

You Can Call Me Al, I mean, lyrically, if I can remember,

0:46:370:46:42

"A man walks down the street." That's a version of "a guy walks into a bar".

0:46:420:46:49

"There was a rabbi, a minister and a priest..."

0:46:490:46:53

An old set-up - a man walks down the street.

0:46:530:46:57

-#

-A man walk down the street He says, "Why am I...?

-#

0:46:570:47:00

"Why am I soft in the middle? The rest of my life is so hard." It's a joke.

0:47:000:47:06

-#

-..shot at redemption...

-#

-"Don't want to end up a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard."

0:47:060:47:13

That was me. I was writing about myself.

0:47:130:47:17

I guess I was saying, like any artist,

0:47:170:47:21

"I don't want to be an irrelevancy. I hope I'm not irrelevant."

0:47:210:47:25

-#

-Don't want to end up a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard...

-#

0:47:250:47:30

And from there, it's associative thinking.

0:47:300:47:34

"A cartoon in a cartoon graveyard", bone-diggers.

0:47:340:47:39

Graveyard - bones.

0:47:390:47:41

Bone-diggers. Bone-diggers - dogs.

0:47:410:47:44

"Dogs in the moonlight." Moonlight's in a lot of songs.

0:47:470:47:51

-#

-Don't want to end up a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard Bone-digger

0:47:510:47:56

-#

-Bone-digger Dogs in the moonlight

0:47:560:47:59

-#

-Far away my well-lit door...

-#

0:47:590:48:02

It's scary. In my mind, there's a graveyard. I can hear dogs howling at night...

0:48:020:48:08

But it's cosy inside with lots of lights. It's not scary here.

0:48:080:48:13

"Mr Beerbelly, Beerbelly. Get these mutts away from me. I don't find this stuff amusing any more."

0:48:130:48:20

It's like enough of this garbage. I'm afraid. Death is coming. Oh-oh.

0:48:200:48:25

Like, OK.

0:48:250:48:28

Verse two is a variation on the first.

0:48:280:48:30

-#

-"Why am I short of attention?" Got a short little span of attention...

-#

0:48:300:48:36

"The short little span of... short little span of attention." That was, er, that was a penis joke.

0:48:360:48:44

"Short little span of attention and, oh, my nights are so long.

0:48:440:48:50

"Now where's my wife and family?",

0:48:500:48:53

which, at the time, I didn't have.

0:48:530:48:56

"Where's my wife and family? What if I die here?" A lot of fears.

0:48:560:49:01

"Who will be my role model?" Just fears, a guy's fears.

0:49:010:49:05

Now he's piling up these fears.

0:49:050:49:08

From my perspective as a songwriter, in a sense I had no sympathy for the guy by the second verse.

0:49:080:49:16

He has too many complaints.

0:49:160:49:19

And by then, I think I had, "If you'll be my bodyguard, I'll be your long-lost pal."

0:49:190:49:27

So if we can make an alliance, maybe I won't be in so much trouble.

0:49:270:49:33

I'll look out for you. you look out for me. I'll call you Betty. You call me Al.

0:49:330:49:39

We'll make a deal. That'll be our deal against all these modern things that we have to fear.

0:49:390:49:47

By the third verse,

0:49:480:49:50

it's time to say what this is all about.

0:49:500:49:54

"A man walks down a street in a strange world. Maybe it's the Third World."

0:49:540:49:59

This is obvious - I'm talking about Africa.

0:49:590:50:03

-#

-A man walks down the street It's a street in a strange world Maybe it's the Third World...

-#

0:50:030:50:09

"Maybe it's his first time around. Doesn't speak the language." Me.

0:50:090:50:14

"He holds no currency. He's a foreign man.

0:50:140:50:18

"Surrounded by the sound." It was an amazing place.

0:50:180:50:22

-#

-Cattle in the marketplace Scatterlings and orphanages...

-#

0:50:220:50:27

"Cattle in the marketplace." It's a faraway place.

0:50:270:50:31

You can imagine cattle in the streets and the marketplace.

0:50:310:50:35

-#

-He looks around, around Sees angels in the architecture...

-#

0:50:350:50:40

"He looks around, sees angels in the architecture."

0:50:400:50:44

It has become a spiritual journey now, a spiritual adventure.

0:50:440:50:49

That's what that song was about.

0:50:490:50:52

And that was a pretty accurate description of my journey.

0:50:520:50:56

-#

-A man walks down the street It's a street in a strange world

0:50:580:51:02

-#

-Maybe it's the Third World Maybe it's his first time around

0:51:020:51:05

-#

-Doesn't speak the language Holds no currency

0:51:050:51:09

-#

-He is a foreign man He is surrounded by the sound

0:51:090:51:13

-#

-The sound There's cattle in the marketplace Scatterlings and orphanages

0:51:130:51:18

-#

-He looks around, around He sees angels in the architecture

0:51:180:51:23

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-They're spinning in infinity He says, "Amen! Hallelujah!"

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-If you'll be my bodyguard I can be your long-lost pal

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-I can call you Betty And, Betty, when you call me You can call me Al...

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The whole process of this writing came from a deep analysis of what was going on in the tracks.

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Because the African musicians were playing what they'd normally play

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in a way that was different from the way American musicians that I was familiar with would play.

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I was coming out of folk-rock. That was pretty symmetrical.

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It didn't change from verse to verse.

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Their patterns altered in some subtle way and I was either playing in the studio when that happened,

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or in the control room, and wasn't aware of what the pattern was at all.

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I didn't realise there had been a variation in the pattern, either intentional or unintentional

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until many months later when I was writing.

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I'd work on songs and say it's good. The first verse is good, the second is not so good,

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The third verse, that's good. Things are good, except...

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Why doesn't the second verse work?

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I mean, OK, now I'm really going to listen to the second verse.

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Now... Putting aside my assumption that it's exactly the same and should work,

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which I stayed with for a long time. It should work, so that's it.

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I'm not going to change because it's supposed to work.

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Then I would begin to listen and I'd say, "Sure enough, there's a variation in here.

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"There's a variation that I'm not taking into account."

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And that degree of listening...

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was my education.

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That's... That's what I learned.

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I learned to listen on a level I had never experienced before.

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He pulled it off. He did it.

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He slaved over it. He sweated blood over it.

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My gums bled over it.

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Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.

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-People say she's crazy She got diamonds on the soles of her shoes

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-Well, that's one way to lose these walking blues

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-Diamonds on the soles of her shoes...

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Diamonds on the soles of her shoes was a phrase I had written down, but hadn't used.

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Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes was the last song we recorded.

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It was never intended to be on the album.

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The album was originally supposed to come out in June 1986

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and we were going to play Saturday Night Live.

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Everybody was here, the whole band. We were all going to do the show.

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Then Warner Brothers said they'd prefer to release this in the fall.

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So Roy and I said, "Why don't we try another song?"

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RAY PHIRI: It was more a jam than a song.

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Then the following day we were at the Hit Factory.

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After two takes, it was in.

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Because we were having such fun, we'd developed a working relationship that said something.

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You find that even by # Zoh ba-dibbi-dibbi-dibbi do-ba dibbi-duh bib-ba zah ba-dum bo

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# Bi-dum boom-boom beh. # It is in reply to...

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He answers...

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That's how... That's what makes it very exciting.

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The singing is very relaxed, too.

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It just feels like everybody was very comfortable.

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I tried to write a part here in words.

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I couldn't think of anything, so we left it as a horn solo.

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Not even a horn solo, I probably wrote this part as a background.

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-Oo-ooh-oo...

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Nothing here. Just letting it go, I guess.

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-Oo-ooh-oo...

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Letting the band play.

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-She makes the sign of the teaspoon He makes the sign of the wave...

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-'Domesticity.'

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-The poor boy changes clothes and puts on aftershave...

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-To compensate for his ordinary shoes...

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I love that. "He compensates for his ordinary shoes."

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-She said, "Honey, take me dancing" But they...

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Finishing the record and going to play it back for Warner Brothers,

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having them look at each other and wonder what this was all about!

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It was a lot of fun.

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Then to see the success, man... Woo!

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What if it hadn't worked? I've thought that at the first night of an opera.

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What if they laugh? What if it doesn't work?

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And you've put all this into it. And you have to have that confidence in the work.

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Even though, in fact, you don't really know.

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I think that was particularly true for Graceland. In retrospect, it was an instant classic.

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So what was to worry about? But I don't think Paul knew that.

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Graceland was going to college for me. Rhythmically. Everything.

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But also just in the sense of...

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in a sense of playing the world, a larger world.

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-Ta na na-na na

-Ta na na-na...

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The ability to interweave the cultures,

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to me, it's obvious to interweave them musically.

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We're just taking songs and having a musical discussion

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across a language barrier without any problems.

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And understanding each other.

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-Ta na na-na na Ta na na-na...

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And that was, like, Graceland.

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That's what that album had - an unusual degree of understanding

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amongst people who had just met.

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Subtitles by Alison Dilly BBC - 1997

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