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Two different sources suggesting to me that Sunderland, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
which we expect to be for Leave, might be very, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
very clearly for Leave, but it would be very important because Sunderland | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
would be an indication of how strong the Leave vote might be | 0:00:18 | 0:00:23 | |
in other parts of the country. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
Let's go straight to Sunderland. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
Total number of votes cast in favour of Remain was... | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
..51,930. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
There were a whole group of us watching the screen, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
and the Sunderland result came up. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
The total number of votes cast in favour of Leave was... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
82,000... | 0:00:51 | 0:00:52 | |
CHEERING | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
And it led to what I will always call the Sunderland roar. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
And suddenly we all thought, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
"Wow! This is unbelievable." | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
CHEERING | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
Well, the whole room just erupted. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
I was still actually physically shaking myself, you know, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
just with sheer excitement and surprise. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
More news about the pound, Kamal. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
Well, David, it's absolutely taken a hammering | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
since that Sunderland result, which seems to suggest | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
that Leave might be doing a lot better tonight. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
It's down 6%. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
A lot of pollsters had done polling saying that they thought we'd won, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
hedge funds had done models suggesting we'd won, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
so the sensation was really like walking across a path | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
that appeared to be safety, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
and then dropping into quicksand, and realising there was nothing | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
and nobody that was actually going to pull you out of it. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
The British people have spoken, and the answer is, "We're out." | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
The British people have made a very clear decision | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
to take a different path. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
And, as such, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:07 | |
I think the country requires fresh leadership | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
to take it in this direction. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
I love this country, and I feel honoured to have served it. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
He finished the speech and he walked back inside and there was a lot of, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
you know, emotion at that moment, a lot of tears in people's eyes. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
And he then went with Sam inside his office and closed the door. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
The early hours of June 24th changed everything around here | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
in ways that we will feel for decades to come. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
But beyond the frantic frenzy of these summer weeks, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
the referendum result has thrown up question marks about our politics, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
our economy, the like of which haven't been posed for generations. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
So how did it happen, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
and why did so few people in the establishment | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
think that it actually might? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
The story of the referendum starts back in 2013. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
David Cameron is part of a coalition government | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
with an election planned for two years later. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
The next Conservative manifesto in 2015 | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
will ask for a mandate from the British people | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
for a Conservative government to negotiate a new settlement | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
with our European partners in the next Parliament. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
And when we have negotiated that new settlement, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
we will give the British people a referendum. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
It will be an in-out referendum. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
I was not consulted. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
I was only a member of the Cabinet. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
I read about it in the newspaper. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Er... | 0:03:57 | 0:03:58 | |
He either heard that I was very angry, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
or I might have asked to go and see him, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
I can't remember, but we had a row about it. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
But it was a done deal. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:06 | |
-Thank you very much indeed. -APPLAUSE | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
I think it was the most reckless and irresponsible decision | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
to announce that he was going to hold a referendum | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
in a few years' time. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:17 | |
But there were reasons behind the historic promise. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
A big one was called Nigel, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
whose so-called people's army was recruiting in droves. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
We now have over 30,000 members, and we're rising fast, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
and by the time of the next general election, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
we will have the third highest membership | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
of any party in this country. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
You had the rise of Ukip, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
scores of Conservative MPs were rebelling on any issue | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
to do with Europe, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
the Labour Party was flirting with holding a referendum, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
and more than half of the country when asked about it | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
said that they also wanted to have a referendum | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
on whether or not we stayed in the EU. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
So it became a huge boulder that was right in the middle of the road | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
of politics and government | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
that you either choose to work around or actually deal with. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:12 | |
But it was a question, was it not, of political management? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
It was not something that the public was clamouring for. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
You could either deal with it now, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
or the reality is it would pop up again | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
in a few months or a few years. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
But the idea that we weren't going to have a referendum on Europe, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
I think is naive. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:29 | |
Promises aren't always kept in politics. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
It was never certain the referendum would happen, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
but David Cameron even surprised himself | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
by winning the 2015 election. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Are you glad to have won at last? | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
Now he had to keep his word. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
I remember we had a conversation | 0:05:51 | 0:05:52 | |
a few months before the last general election. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
I think we both idly mused what the outcome of the election might be, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
whether another coalition needed to be formed. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
And I said to him, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:01 | |
"Look, I just can't get my head around | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
"this European gamble you've taken. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
"Are you sure you know what you wish for?" | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
And I remember at the time | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
David Cameron sort of very breezily saying, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
"Oh, of course it'll be won, of course it'll be won." | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
I said, "Well, I'm really not so sure." | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
While the Prime Minister enjoyed what felt like a surprise win... | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
..those set on beating him in a much bigger contest | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
were getting down to work... | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
..watching from across the river, planning and plotting to win. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
When we walked into this room, it was concrete floor, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
there was builders' rubble around, the ceiling wasn't up, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
so it was literally an empty shell, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
and we built it from scratch. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
Alongside Matthew Elliott, Dominic Cummings. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
A spiky and cerebral former adviser | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
to the Cabinet minister Michael Gove. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
Their conversations, the early moments of the campaign | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
that became Vote Leave. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
I remember thinking, "Right, what should the slogan be?" | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
I think initially we thought of "Vote Leave, Get Change." | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
But then Dom was sitting there, and based on all his experience, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
he thought, right, "Vote Leave, Take Control." | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
"Take control" was a perfect way of describing | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
the concepts of sovereignty and accountability | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
which all perhaps seem a bit airy-fairy to people, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
but a concrete way of saying it is "take back control." | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
At the same time, in an office in the City of London, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
Will Straw was assembling a cross-party pro-EU campaign. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
And just like Vote Leave, they needed a name. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
Well, we did a lot of polling around what we thought the big issues | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
were going to be in the election, and some of the resonant phrases. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
And of those phrases, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
the idea of British strength | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
was the most resonant with the public. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
And of course, it was important to signal what this was all about, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
so the longer name was Britain Stronger In Europe, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
but Stronger In was the sort of shorthand that we used, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
so a very inclusive phrase | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
that people can could say, you know, "I'm in." | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
No-one knew when the vote would be, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
and first, David Cameron had a plan | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
to get a new deal with the rest of the EU. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
It meant that the team was often flying off around Europe | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
and visiting countries. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
The Prime Minister visited countries | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
that no British Prime Minister has visited in a century. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
There were months of angst, and hope of big changes, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
especially on immigration. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
The Prime Minister wanted to cut the number | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
of EU workers coming to the UK. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
Hi, good afternoon. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
Well, we've got some important work to do today and tomorrow, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
and it's going to be hard. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
REPORTERS CLAMOUR | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
After a final draining few days in Brussels, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
the Prime Minister did gain some ground. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
For example, tighter rules on EU workers claiming benefits. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
But no limit on numbers. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:08 | |
His EU counterparts wouldn't budge. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
It's no wonder that a club of 27, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
dealing with huge issues of their own - | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
the migration crisis, the economic problems in the eurozone - | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
were not in a mood to sort of provide a sweetheart deal | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
to a leader of a Conservative Party who, from their point of view, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
appeared simply to be demanding things | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
to satisfy the editor of the Daily Mail and his backbenchers, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
rather than doing so in the interests of Europe as a whole. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
Isn't the problem with the renegotiation, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
what you got was very meaningful | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
to people who know a lot about the European Union. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
There were not measures that most voters | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
would be able to look at a piece of paper and go, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
"Oh, wow, the EU's going to be completely different. Sign me up!"? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
I'm not sure I accept your point. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Immigration, and not having those pull factors, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
not giving people £1,000 a month in terms of benefits | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
in order to come to this country | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
is obviously going to have a huge difference to people. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
If you're saying to me that the European Union is a very complex, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
complicated thing that requires a lot of information to explain it, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
and is subtle and nuanced and difficult, yes, it is. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
Good afternoon. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
Three years ago, I committed to the British people | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
that I would renegotiate our position in the European Union, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
and hold an in-out referendum. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
Now, I am delivering on that commitment. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
You will decide, and whatever your decision, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
I will do my best to deliver it. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Don't be in any doubt - | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
this is one of the biggest political moments for years. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
He's putting at stake our membership of the European Union, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
the unity of his party and, indeed, his own political future. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
CHEERING | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
Within minutes, the Leave campaign revealed their big names - | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
five of David Cameron's own cabinet. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
At their head, the Justice Secretary, Michael Gove... | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
..a long-time friend of the Prime Minister, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
and well-known Euro-sceptic. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
And Gove had also revealed himself to be a fan | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
of the TV series Game of Thrones. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
Yes, an endless saga of bloodthirsty power struggles and betrayals. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
Makes you wonder if he knew what was coming. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
My favourite character in Game of Thrones | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
is undoubtedly Tyrion Lannister. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
And the moment I love most | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
is when he leads what's apparently a hopeless charge of his troops | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
in defence of King's Landing against the forces of Stannis Baratheon, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
and you see there that this misshapen dwarf, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
reviled throughout his life, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
thought in the eyes of some to be a toxic figure, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
can at last rally a small band of loyal followers. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
When Michael Gove announced that he was joining Vote Leave, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
was the Prime Minister surprised? | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
Was he hurt by that? | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
I don't think he's ever been surprised | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
that Michael Gove's a Euro-sceptic. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
He's made a number of speeches over the years | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
making very clear his opinion. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
I think what he was surprised by | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
was that he thought that Michael had given him the impression | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
that he would not play a very significant role in Vote Leave, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
and when it was announced that he was in fact the chairman | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
of Vote Leave, that was a moment of surprise. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
Gove was a big name for the Leave campaign, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
but both sides were desperate for the resident | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
of this smart London address to join their gang. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
Good afternoon, everybody. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
I thought I'd better come out and say something, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
because I could see that you were all in a great mass here. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
In terms of Boris Johnson, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
is it true that he only texted the Prime Minister | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
a couple of minutes before he made his announcement outside his house? | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
I'm not sure if it was a couple of minutes, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
but I know that the Prime Minister felt that he was only finally clear | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
within the last quarter of an hour before it happening. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
I've decided, after a huge amount of heartache, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
because I did not want to do anything - the last thing I wanted | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
was to go against David Cameron or the Government - | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
but after a great deal of heartache, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
I don't think there's anything else I can do. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
I will be advocating Vote Leave, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
because I want a better deal for the people of this country. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
Thank you very much. Thank you very much. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
Anyone would think he likes the attention. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
Love him or loathe him, you can't ignore him. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
Boris Johnson has just taken a huge political jump | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
that could change this campaign. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
Do I think it changed the result? I'm not sure. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
I had a colleague the other day who said to me, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
Boris Johnson must have been worth 2-3% on that vote, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
but I think what it certainly did is give credibility, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
cos there was a leader. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:50 | |
Boris was critical. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
That was a killer blow for Remain. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
Killer blow. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:56 | |
Real problem. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
I think we could have... | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
We could have just about coped with Michael Gove, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
but to have Boris join Leave was devastating. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
Stop and think about it, you know - | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
without Boris and without Michael Gove, who would they have had? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
When Boris announced on that Sunday | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
that he was joining the Leave campaign, I jumped for joy. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
I jumped for joy, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:22 | |
because it was pretty clear there was a specific audience out there | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
that Boris appealed to, just as there's an audience I appeal to, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
and, you know... | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
You cannot win a referendum from one particular position | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
on the political spectrum. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
Johnson and Gove gave Leave its political star and Tory brainpower. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
Or was it a bumbling action hero... | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
..and some intellectual credibility? | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
But they were building backing from parts of the press | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
with astonishing stories up their sleeve - | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
The Sun claiming the Queen backed Brexit, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
quoting an alleged conversation with Nick Clegg in 2012. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
Michael Gove was suspected of being the source. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
As I've said before, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
I don't know how The Sun got all its information, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
and I don't think it's really worth my adding anything | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
to what's already been said about this story. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
What actually happened? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:24 | |
It just didn't happen. So Michael Gove obviously communicated... | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
Well, in fact, I KNOW he did communicate this to The Sun... | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
-You know he leaked it? -Yes, I know, I know. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
So he did that, and I can see why he might think | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
that's an interesting thing to do, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
to try and drag the Queen into it, but it didn't happen. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
I mean, the idea that the Queen, of all people, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
would even bother to give, you know, someone as insignificant | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
as a here-today-gone-tomorrow Deputy Prime Minister | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
a tongue-lashing about Europe, I just think is so preposterous. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
So it was not true, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:57 | |
it was a very mendacious thing to say, and it doesn't surprise me | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
that Buckingham Palace took this very unusual step | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
of actually complaining about the decision themselves. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
I think it was very, very, very disrespectful of Michael Gove | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
to have done that. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:11 | |
Michael Gove has consistently said he did not give The Sun the story. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
Meanwhile, the Stronger In campaign was also up and running... | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
..with politicians from different parties | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
jostling alongside each other, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
a coalition with unions, and business, too, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
unlike Leave's tight-knit band. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
It's David Cameron calling. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
I'm calling from the Stronger In campaign. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
But as the campaign got underway, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
David Cameron began to call the shots. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
We had created the campaign vehicle, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
but were, in effect, waiting for the Prime Minister | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
to jump into the driving seat and take us off. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
What became clear was that he didn't want any back-seat drivers, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
he didn't want anyone sort of grabbing the steering wheel, and... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
..I think many of us didn't realise that would actually mean | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
we would be left at the roadside as he drove off in the campaign, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
but that's effectively what happened. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
Good morning, everyone. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
And as the big arguments began, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
Remain was counting on a traditional truth. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
It's about guaranteeing our economic security here in the United Kingdom. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
Brits normally vote for their economic interests, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
so it was Remain's relentless focus. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
This could cost families £4,300. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
£4,300. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
£4,300. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:46 | |
And that means that Britain would be poorer by £4,300 per household. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:52 | |
That is £4,300 worse off every year, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
a bill paid year after year by the working people of Britain. | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
Did you feel comfortable | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
with what David Cameron and George Osborne were doing? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
Well, I felt, in retrospect, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
that there was perhaps a spurious specificity to some of the claims | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
that we were making. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
That's a very polite way of saying | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
that they were exaggerating the hell out of it. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
Well, I'll use my own words, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:16 | |
but I think there were perhaps one or two moments | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
where things went a bit far, so, you know, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
you mentioned the 4,300 number, which was very specific. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
It certainly did get headlines, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
whereas perhaps a more nuanced approach wouldn't have done. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
We'll never know. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
In the end, I suspect we may have lost the public on that, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
when a more explanatory approach would have been better. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Every week, we send £350,000,000 to Brussels. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
Money that's wasted. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Vote Leave were playing their own numbers game. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
Disputed, and endlessly repeated. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
You know very well that you used it | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
in a way that can only really be described as quite misleading. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
You know very well lots of that money doesn't go to Brussels | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
in the first place, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
you know very well lots of that money comes back from Brussels, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
yet you used it as your headline campaign figure. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
I think we were always clear when it came to the actual campaign | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
about these issues if you started talking about them, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
so we were always clear that... | 0:19:23 | 0:19:24 | |
"If you started talking about them." | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
It wasn't very clear from the side of your bus or your posters. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
You had that figure out there | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
precisely because you wanted people to talk about it. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
I think actually it was our opponents who were wrong in this, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
in saying that we were sort of lying about this figure, or what have you. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
The 350 million figure is correct, so we stand by it. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
Isn't it really the case, actually, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
it suited you very well to use a figure that was then debated, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
disputed and created lots of controversy? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
Cos it meant people were then talking about | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
how much money we spend in the EU. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
We were very pleased that people talked | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
about how much we spend in the EU, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
cos of course it's a major part of the debate. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
Wasn't that cynical, though? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:01 | |
I don't think so. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
Look at what was on the side of the bus. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
Look at what they said. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:06 | |
Look at what they're claiming, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
and look at how those claims disappeared in a puff of smoke | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
two or three days after the campaign. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Why did they disappear in a puff of smoke? Because they're not true. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
When the fight really got going, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
most of the polling numbers put Remain in front. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
And in April, a roll call of big names | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
came calling to hammer home their message. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
First up, the American president, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
with a warning about doing business after Brexit. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
I think it's fair to say that... | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
maybe some point down the line, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
there might be a... | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
UK-US trade agreement, but it's not going to happen any time soon, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
because our focus is on negotiating with a big bloc, the European Union, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
to get a trade agreement done. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
And the UK is going to be... | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
..in the back of the queue. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
We knew from our activists talking to people on the doorstep, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
and also from our focus groups and what have you, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
that people really hated that moment, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
because how dare the President of the US say that to Britain, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
when we've been the first in the queue, the first in line, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
when it's come to military action in Iraq and Afghanistan | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
and what have you. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:26 | |
We've got, you know, a special relationship with the US, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
so how dare the President of the US | 0:21:29 | 0:21:30 | |
come over here and insult us like that, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
and intervene in our referendum like that? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
So that... That backfired. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
But Remain did not shift. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
The warnings kept coming. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
The head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde, was next to join in. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
A vote to depart the EU would be costly in the long run, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
even after this uncertainty has been resolved. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
And in the short term, | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
there is also a risk of an adverse market reaction to a Leave vote, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
the implications of which could be particularly severe. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
And then the Governor of the Bank of England. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
The recent behaviour of the foreign exchange market | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
suggests that were the UK to vote to leave the EU, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
sterling's exchange rate would fall further, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
perhaps sharply. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:20 | |
The Remain camping was banking on a tried and tested political rule - | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
that for more than 100 years, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
the British public has normally voted with its wallet. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
As things began, that strategy seemed to be working well. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
But inside the Remain team, as the weeks wore on, doubts crept in. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
There was concern that the British public | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
somehow hadn't read the script, or worse, didn't want to listen. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
The Labour Party was backing Remain, but around the country, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
voters who'd been behind the party for decades | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
just weren't on board, and time and again, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
MPs were warned off on the doorstep. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
It's just sort of like the elites talking to elites, saying, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
"It's in your best interests to do this," | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
and people weren't listening to that, and people didn't know... | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
"What's the IMF? What's that got to do with my life?" | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
You know, "What's the OECD? What's that got to do with me?" | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
You know, "They're bound to say that, aren't they?" | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
And it wasn't something that was real for them in their communities. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
The referendum campaign was exposing the gap | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
between the Westminster-focused political class and Britain beyond. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
Like in Sunderland, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
where Eddie, Barry, Jimmy and Hilton were watching. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
I don't think them in Westminster | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
know where we are up here in the North, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
because they get as far as Watford, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
and from Watford down, as far as they're concerned, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
I'm sure we didn't exist. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
When did they come to see us? | 0:24:09 | 0:24:10 | |
When does any of the big politicians | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
come into South Shields or into Sunderland? | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Maybe Newcastle. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
They forget that the working class people | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
is throughout the whole country, man. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
It's working class in general that they're not working for, Jim, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
not just the working class up here. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
It's not just us that feel like this. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
In the north-west, on the Mersey, on the Wirral, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
they've got exactly the same feelings about Westminster | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
as we have - that Westminster is for London. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
You see these politicians now, they come straight out of university, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
they haven't had a job, they haven't worked on a shop floor, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
they haven't worked on the building sites, anything like that. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
They step into, like... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
helping a politician, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
and that's their career for the rest of their lives, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
and then eventually they get picked to stand as MP somewhere. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
What knowledge have they got of the working class | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
and everything like that? | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
People were told time and again of the risks. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
There were even direct messages from big employers | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
in this part of the world, like Nissan and Hitachi. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
But they just were not getting through. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
I met people on the street who did depend on trade with Europe, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
and you would explain it to them, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
and they just said, "No, we'll be all right." | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
It was... They became the experts. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
With the financial crisis in '07/'08, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
the effect that that had | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
was to actually undermine the standing of the banks | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
and big multinational companies and what have you, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
so whereas prior to the financial crisis, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
people would often look up to business leaders | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
who ran those organisations, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
afterwards, I think most voters looked to them and felt, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
"Well, you're just really in it for yourselves. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
"When you say it's good for the British economy, | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
"are you saying it's good for the British economy and good for me, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
"or really just good for your company?" | 0:26:02 | 0:26:03 | |
We've had everything thrown at us - all the threats from, you know, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
big international banks, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:07 | |
the political leadership of all parties down here. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
And I was really proud of the fact that, you know, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
the good people of East Yorkshire and Northern Lincolnshire | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
looked at all this and thought, "No, we're not having that. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
We're going to go with our hearts and with our guts." | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
I think the people in this country have had enough of experts with... | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
-They've had enough of experts? -..from acronyms, saying... | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
The people of this country have had enough of experts?! What do you mean by that? | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
..from organisations with acronyms saying they know what is best, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
and getting it consistently wrong, because unelected, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
unaccountable elites... | 0:26:39 | 0:26:40 | |
I'm afraid it's time to say, "You're fired." | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
With tried and tested messages failing to get through, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
the Remain camp wanted bold direction | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
from one man - | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
the Labour leader. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:57 | |
On the 23rd, there is a crucial choice that people have to make. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
Labour had decided to run its own campaign, Labour In For Britain. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
The idea was, it would work closely with the Stronger In group. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:12 | |
But it was very much harder | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
to work with Jeremy Corbyn. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
It took me six months to get a meeting with one of his advisors. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
Six months? | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
Six months to get a meeting. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:22 | |
So, the Labour leadership was not working with you, despite being... | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
No, they didn't want to work with us, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
despite the fact that I'd been a candidate for the Labour Party | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
at the 2015 election. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
What does that tell you, or what did you conclude | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
about Jeremy Corbyn's attitude, then, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:38 | |
to the whole question of being in the EU? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
He was lukewarm about it. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
Vote to Remain in order to defend investment, defend jobs, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
defend workers' rights. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
There was a moment caught on camera, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
I think at the launch of the Labour In bus, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
where he was reading notes off a piece of paper | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
rather than something that he just felt comfortable... | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
You know, as most senior politicians would in that situation, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
just sort of saying what they felt about Europe. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
I'm looking forward to this campaign, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
and I believe it will be successful, and I believe that, er... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
a Labour Government participating in Europe from 2020 onwards | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
will protect us against... | 0:28:14 | 0:28:15 | |
It was very difficult to know | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
what Jeremy Corbyn's motives were. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
I mean, did he just sort of get out of bed the wrong side every day, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
and not feel in a very, sort of, friendly, happy mood, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
and want to help us, or was there something deeper? | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
Did he simply not want to find himself on the same side | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
as, you know...the Prime Minister and the Government? | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
Erm... | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
Or perhaps he just, deep down, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
actually doesn't think we SHOULD remain in the European Union. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
Who knows? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:47 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:28:47 | 0:28:48 | |
I think that all leading members of the Labour Party | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
were out actively campaigning, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
and Jeremy played his part in that collective effort | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
by doing a lot of media appearances, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
by doing a lot of meetings up and down the country. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
He played his part, and we all played our part | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
in campaigning for that. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
I think that we are now | 0:29:05 | 0:29:06 | |
going through a fractious time in the Labour Party, clearly, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
but I don't think that it's appropriate | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
for people to try to blame one individual. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
Vote Leave took any and every opportunity to pounce. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
CHEERING | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
The minute you left the M25 ring, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
there was a real groundswell of people who wanted to leave, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:36 | |
which was something the London-centric metropolitan elite | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
simply had not recognised. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
People were coming up and it was like revealing an unpleasant secret. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
-SHE WHISPERS: -"I'm voting Leave," | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
and even worse, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:51 | |
"I'm a Labour Party member and I'm voting Leave." | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
And it was that unravelling of the Labour heartlands not feeling | 0:29:54 | 0:30:00 | |
that the Labour Party was representing them, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
I think was a real problem. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
Why was your bus red? | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
Why was everything red? | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
We wanted to show that, actually, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
the Labour Party's divided, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
and actually having red | 0:30:14 | 0:30:15 | |
was another signal that we weren't a Tory campaign. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
We're a cross-party campaign | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
including senior politicians from the Labour side of the spectrum. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
So if people had seen your battle bus driving into their town, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
looked at it, seen that it was red and thought, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
"Oh, that's probably something to do with the Labour Party," | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
-that was what you were trying to achieve. -Precisely. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
Vote Leave deliberately set out to hoover up support in Labour areas | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
and appealing to those who hadn't cast a ballot for years, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
presenting themselves as the champions of the everyday man | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
-against the Establishment. -Good afternoon, everybody. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
It is a stitch-up. It is a stitch-up. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
Indeed, it is the biggest stitch-up since the Bayeux Tapestry. | 0:30:54 | 0:31:01 | |
I must say, it's slightly ridiculous that a Leave campaign | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
fronted by a combination of Tory toffs | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
and people with well-heeled backgrounds lecturing everyone else | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
about the Establishment and how the elite are riding roughshod over | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
the interests of the country. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
Why did they get away with it? | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
Partly because of the sheer nerve, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
the sheer chutzpah that they employed in doing so. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
In the Remain camp, there was pressure to try to take them out. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
All the time, we were being held back because the Prime Minister | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
just simply didn't want - and I completely understand why - | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
to deepen the chasm that had broken out in his own party. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:51 | |
He thought that at the end of the day, after he'd won the referendum, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
he would have to bring everyone together | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
and he didn't want to sort of poison the atmosphere any more. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
So I said to George Osborne, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
"We feel like sometimes we're taking a spoon to a knife fight!" | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
Despite divisions and doubts aplenty inside Remain, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
most expectations were that they were ahead. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
Then this... | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
Tonight at ten, net migration to the UK | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
rises to the second-highest level on record. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
The difference between those coming to live here | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
and those leaving reached more than 330,000 last year, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
roughly half of them from other EU countries. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
That figure was more than three times the Government's target. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
David Cameron had promised to slash immigration | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
to the tens of thousands. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
Now, Leave offered the country a points-based system | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
where all immigrants would be judged on what they can offer, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
not where they're from. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
What we're saying is have a system whereby the UK Government has | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
to take responsibility and agree the numbers. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
There was a decisive moment in this campaign. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
It was the morning that Michael Gove and Boris Johnson said, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
"We now want an Australian-style points system | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
"and limited immigration controls | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
"for who can come into this country," | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
and that was a song that I'd been singing since 2004, on my own, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
nobody else in British politics was daring to talk about such things | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
and suddenly two leading figures in politics | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
had decided to go on that issue. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
That's when I thought, "We can do this," | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
and that was the day the polls started to change. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
Could I have a show of hands for Out, please? | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
The number one priority is immigration. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
We're overrun by people. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
It's about time England took England back. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
You know, they don't call us Great Britain for nothing, do they? | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
I'm with Boris. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
-You're with Boris? -Yes, we're with Boris. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
For years, concerns about immigration had been underplayed | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
in polite political circles. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
Ukip had been the outsiders. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
But the referendum changed all of that. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
I think main reason is this immigration | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
and the immigrants that's coming in. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
I mean, nobody likes to mention that. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
The vote up here was carried on the big immigration issue. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
We want to stop immigration in general in the country. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
I think that's a big feeling. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
We couldn't stop it while we were in the EU, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
so that's why we wanted to get out of it so we can say, | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
"Fair enough if you want to come here | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
"for you to put something into it - | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
"doctors, nurses or whatever, like what Australia does." | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
You're not accepted into the country unless it's something they need | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
and you don't get any benefits, but here, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
it just seems you can walk in and go, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
"All right, I'm going to come in," | 0:35:03 | 0:35:04 | |
and you can claim everything that's on the go." | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
So if we remained in Europe, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
if we get more and more countries that don't actually contribute anything | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
but labour, manual labour - Romanians, Bulgarians, Poles, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
Slavic countries - who'll work for less than a British lad. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
But only manual labour. They're not bringing in anything skilled. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
I think it's more the fear of them than the actual at this moment. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
When it comes to an issue like immigration | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
and people feel threatened by it, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:31 | |
if they're looking for identity, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
ultimately what it comes down to, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
a lot of people can just find identity in the colour of their skin | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
so what therefore happens is that immigration becomes a big issue, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
even though in this area, it isn't an issue. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
98.5% white British in Sedgfield. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
For people telling everybody about the benefits of the single market | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
and all the rest of it and how all this unlimited immigration has | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
been really good for the country economically, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
well, they're not competing for their jobs, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
they're not living on a council estate in the north of England | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
going after a zero hours contract job, or even if it's not zero hours, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
still one that's very low paid. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
The Leave campaign had no hesitation in ramping up the rhetoric. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
The evidence is that the British Government and the European Union | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
are actively working towards Turkey joining the European Union | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
and Turkish citizens being able to travel throughout the EU. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
You're scaring people to vote to leave the EU | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
because I tell you this, you're telling lies. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
Turkey is not set to join the EU. Turkey is not set to join the EU. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
I should have a say in what happens with my country. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
We don't want the Syrians, we don't want the IS in here. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
Go back to London with all your yuppie friends. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
Where are these refugees going to go? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
Where are they going to go? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
The Remain camp was worried. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
The contest was turning into a question of immigration and identity versus prosperity. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:57 | |
You could talk until the cows came home about | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
the fact that for every pound a migrant might get in terms of money, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
they pay £10 out in taxes. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
But there was this feeling there was no control over the country | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
and no control over our future | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
when people could kind of just come and go in large numbers from the European Union. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
And I'd be saying, "EU referendum - in or out?" | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
And they'd go, "I'm out, I'm out. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
"Get these immigrants out." | 0:37:20 | 0:37:21 | |
And people were shouting, "Get these immigrants out!" | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
And I think that was late May, early June, and that's when I thought, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:32 | |
"Oh, my goodness me, this is really, seriously, dangerously bad." | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
One night in early June in Downing Street, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
David Cameron felt the agenda was slipping away. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
The Prime Minister had watched the Ten O'Clock News | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
and he had felt that | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
the programme had been full of Leave lies | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
that hadn't been properly rebutted, so people were saying, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
"There's going to be an EU army and Britain's going to be a member, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
"that Turkey's going to join the EU and millions of people are going to come to this country," | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
and all of those things, we felt, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
they're simply not true as a straightforward matter of fact | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
and that the Prime Minister wanted to say, "You are being misled." | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
This campaign is based upon lies and it needs to be called out. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
David Cameron called an emergency press conference the very next day. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
A Leave campaign resorting to total untruths to con people | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
into taking a leap in the dark. It is irresponsible, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
it is wrong and it's time that the Leave campaign was called out | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
on the nonsense that they are peddling. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
Isn't it rather extraordinary that you've called a press conference this morning | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
to say that some of your senior colleagues are basically lying to the public? | 0:38:44 | 0:38:49 | |
You sound like you're pleading with voters this morning | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
to listen to you, not some of your own Cabinet colleagues. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
Are you worried you're losing? | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
Not at all. What I'm worried about, what I'm concerned about | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
is that people are being told things that aren't correct | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
and I don't know of any better mechanism than to call a press conference | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
and simply make those points. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
He was worried and eager, if not quite desperate, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
to get back onto the economics. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
The mistake we made was that we did fear on the economy - | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
keep talking about the economy, which was right, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
but not all the way over it because people got bored | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
and tired with that. It was like we kind of made and won that argument, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
so then the vacuum appeared and - bang! | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
In they came with their killer card, which was immigration, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
and we refused to engage in it. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
That's the point... | 0:39:41 | 0:39:42 | |
Forgive me, that's the point, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
that Stronger In/Remain refused to engage on immigration. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:50 | |
That was a terrible, terrible mistake. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
Would suddenly making a speech about immigration in the final days of | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
the campaign essentially change your message, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
have been a sensible strategy or looked like panic | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
or looked like you were changing what you'd said all along? | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
Part of a campaign is deciding on your message and sticking to it. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
But with it slipping, the decks were cleared for a strong | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
and direct Labour version of the message. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
MUSIC: Lap dance by N.E.R.D | 0:40:19 | 0:40:25 | |
Showtime! Let's go. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
I'm not a, erm, huge fan of the European Union. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
What I believe is this is a practical decision that we take | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
in order to try to get better conditions across | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
the whole continent for everybody. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
On a scale of one to ten, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
where one is, "Couldn't really care less about the EU," | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
and ten is, "I'm jumping on the couch like Tom Cruise on Oprah", | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
how passionate are you about staying in the EU? | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
Oh, I'd put myself in the upper half of the five to ten so we're looking | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
-at seven, seven and a half. -Ooh! -Maybe seven. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
Oh, we were greatly damaged by Jeremy Corbyn's stance, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
no doubt at all about that. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
I mean, not only was he most of the time absent from the battle, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:20 | |
but he was holding back the efforts of Alan Johnson | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
and the Labour In Campaign. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
I mean, they felt undermined. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
At times, they felt actually their efforts were being sabotaged by | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
Jeremy Corbyn and the people around him. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
The thing about Jeremy is that he is authentic. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
He's an honest guy, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
and in giving the EU seven or seven and a half out of ten, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
he was speaking on behalf of an awful lot of people. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
I've met very few people who would give the EU 100%, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
and I think that that authenticity, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
that real voice was an important one. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
With just two weeks to go, Jeremy Corbyn did increase the visibility, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
the intensity of the Labour campaign. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
There was some good moments in the campaign. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
I thought that the day that all of the Shadow Cabinet came together | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
was a really good image and was a good message as well, but by then, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:16 | |
with just a couple of weeks to go, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
there were far too many people who didn't know Labour's position on | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
the referendum and I think that was because of a | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
lack of concerted campaigning by the leadership | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
over many months leading up to that point. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
So, their leader let you down, really? | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
I felt, er...let down, yes. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
-RADIO: -It's eight o'clock on Wednesday the 15th of June. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
The headlines - the Chancellor says if Britain left the EU, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
there would have to be an emergency Budget with tax rises | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
and spending cuts. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
The job of the Chancellor is to restore stability to | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
the public finances if we quit the EU | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
and that would mean there would have to be an emergency Budget. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
And the moment where I really thought | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
things were going pear-shaped was when I woke up and I heard this, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
to my mind, ludicrous announcement from George Osborne | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
to sort of threaten the country with a punishment Budget | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
if they had the temerity to disagree with him. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
Now, you can do it by raising taxes, you can do it by cutting spending. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:25 | |
Almost certainly, you'd have to do both. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
I intuitively knew as a campaigning politician, | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
having spoken to thousands of my own constituents, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
that simply brandishing ever more threatening statistics | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
at a browbeaten public was going to lose the emotional case | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
and, at the end of the day, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:42 | |
most elections most of the time are won by the heart, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
not the head and I got in touch with David Cameron on that day and said, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
"Look, this is not going to go right. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
"You're conceding the emotional argument to the Brexit camp." | 0:43:52 | 0:43:58 | |
Did they reply to you when you raised that concern with them? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
-Yeah, yeah. -What did they say? | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
He... As he's perfectly entitled, he said, "Yes, well, thanks, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
"but I think we're going to carry on with our | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
"central refrain of don't risk it." | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
Nick Clegg was not the only one to flag concern. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
Several Cabinet ministers told me they thought the campaign was too negative, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
and at a wider meeting of Remain cabinet ministers, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
others aired their doubts. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
One of my colleagues had said that | 0:44:31 | 0:44:32 | |
they were very worried that it was all Project Fear | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
and there should be more positivity, and that was dismissed | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
and I said, on two occasions, | 0:44:38 | 0:44:39 | |
"I'm really worried about the Labour vote." | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
And it was, "Yeah, whatever." It wasn't taken seriously. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
"THE GREAT ESCAPE" THEME MUSIC PLAYS | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
With only a week to go, Nigel Farage | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
was unashamedly making more warnings on immigration. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
I thought that Nigel Farage's poster was disgusting. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
We have a responsibility as politicians not to play the race card | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
and Nigel Farage is irresponsible and was attempting to divide people up even more | 0:45:05 | 0:45:10 | |
and trying to get the debate about Europe to be just about immigration | 0:45:10 | 0:45:15 | |
and about fear, and it should not have been about that. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
I think that poster was unforgivable. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
Are you proud of standing in front of a poster | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
that featured a picture of thousands of refugees | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
that had "breaking point" written on it? | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
Why did you show it on the BBC news last year? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
Why did every national newspaper put it on their front pages? | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
The EU has failed us all is what that poster said | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
and I do think that what Mrs Merkel did last year | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
frankly was catastrophic for the European Union. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
Many people on your side of the argument felt that that poster just went too far, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
felt that it either was racist or bordered on racism, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
and at the very least, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
it was an extremely provocative way to use images of refugees | 0:45:54 | 0:46:00 | |
to tie that to the issue of European immigration, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
of people who've come to make their lives in the UK. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
Well, you say refugees. Do you mean economic migrants as well? | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
It's quite important that we have this debate. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
There are people out there who since 2004, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
when I first started talking about the immigration issue, | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
have tried to shout me down, have tried to close me down, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
have tried to say, | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
"This is outside the bounds of reasonable discourse," | 0:46:21 | 0:46:26 | |
but ultimately this referendum was won by people saying, | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
"We have got to get back control of our borders and a saner, | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
"better immigration system into Britain." | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
On the same day, the campaign clock was suddenly stopped. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
A terrible act of violence that no-one could've foreseen. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
Just before one o'clock today, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
Jo Cox, MP for Batley and Spenborough, | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
was attacked in Market Street, Birstall. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
It was just a devastating afternoon. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
We got the news, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
and then as the afternoon went on, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
it became clear that she wasn't going to survive. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
I'm now very sad to have to report that she has died | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
as a result of her injuries. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
We made a very quick decision to suspend the campaign, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
and it just put everything into perspective, as well. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
Made you realise how trivial everything in politics can seem | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
when a moment like that, um, that happens. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
Thank you very much! | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
When campaigning resumed, there were only four days to go. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
Winston Churchill decided in May 1940 to fight on against Hitler, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
he didn't quit on Europe, he didn't quit on European democracy, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
he didn't quit on European freedom. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:03 | |
We want to fight for those things today. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
They say we have no choice but to bow down to Brussels. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
We say they are woefully underestimating this country | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
and what it can do. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
You're being asked to make a decision that's irreversible, | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
we can't change it, if we wake up on Friday, we don't like it, | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
we're being sold it on a lie, because they lied about the cost of Europe, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
they lied about Turkey's entrance to Europe, and it's not good enough. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
You deserve the truth. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
You deserve the truth! | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
Jobs here are dependent on us being in Europe. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
Have we got the message? | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
It's not over yet. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
We've got 24 hours to sort this thing out. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
Right until the end, most pundits expected the status quo would win. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
But the Out campaign had the energy, and the enthusiasm on their side. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
Thank you very much. Thank you. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
Winning was in their grasp, getting new voters out, | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
their not-so-secret weapon. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
There was a huge motivation of people who wouldn't normally vote | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
to get out there and vote. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
I was having people coming up to me | 0:49:19 | 0:49:20 | |
who had never voted before, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:21 | |
asking how you actually vote, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
what is a ballot, what do you do? | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
As the polls closed on referendum night, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
the bookies still favoured Remain. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
I got 11th hour nerves, and I thought at ten o'clock, | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
"Oh, you know, they registered two million voters." | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
I didn't know, I mean, I was prepared for anything. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
I had felt the day before the referendum that we probably were | 0:49:46 | 0:49:52 | |
going to do it and then on the day itself, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
I thought we probably weren't going to do it! | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
I know people in Number Ten | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
and different polling agencies and what have you | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
and you have lots of banter on text | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
about what's going on and teasing and that sort of thing. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
So certainly I know the feeling that night in Number Ten | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
was that they'd won and they'd won big. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
And then of course during the night, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
as the results started coming through, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
and I started replying to some of these texts, | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
there was sort of radio silence there, shall we say? | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
The results were coming in above what we required for 50-50, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
and it was kind of the map of the north-east and the north-west | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
which made me think, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
"We know London's going to go a different way, | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
"but it won't be enough to counterbalance this." | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
We knew we would then need some big scores in places like London | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
and Scotland, and of course those came as well, | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
so it wasn't until results like Sheffield and Birmingham came in a | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
little bit later in the night, places that we thought we might win, | 0:50:58 | 0:51:03 | |
when they went against us, I knew we were in real trouble. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
Well, at 4:40 we can now say the decision taken in 1975 by this country | 0:51:09 | 0:51:16 | |
to join the Common Market has been reversed by this referendum to leave the EU. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:23 | |
Nigel Farage arriving at the headquarters of his part of the Leave campaign. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:33 | |
Dare to dream! | 0:51:35 | 0:51:36 | |
The dawn is breaking on an independent United Kingdom. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:43 | |
CHEERING | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
Let June the 23rd go down in our history as our Independence Day! | 0:51:45 | 0:51:51 | |
I did feel emotional about it. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
I felt this was an extraordinary, historic moment and I thought about, | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
you know, all the ups and downs over maybe 25 years | 0:52:03 | 0:52:08 | |
of taking on this battle, and I thought, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
"It's all been worth it." And I still do. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
Didn't think it was going to be Out. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:22 | |
It was just sort of a protest vote, | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
that they'll see it as a lot of people unhappy, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
things will have to change, and I think the shock was how big it was a vote. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:31 | |
I think it was our way of turning round and telling our MP, | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
all them MPs, "Hey, listen to us and listen to what we're saying." | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
Now that we've had our vote and we've done this, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
no matter our feelings hurt, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
they've got to start coming and listening to us, man. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
I think they got a big shock. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
They did, exactly. Now we'll see what will happen, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
whether there's going to be major change | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
or will it just go with the flow with the lying, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
cheating politicians, and forget about the working class. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
When you vote yes or no, every vote counts. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
Cos it's one vote. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
That's my opinion. So, I think it's... | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
A yes or no vote is much easier and much more democratic. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
The image of Sam Adamson celebrating in Sunderland captured the night. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
For her, the message was totally clear. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
I definitely feel about the working class people got their voice heard | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
in the fact that it shook our then Prime Minister, David Cameron, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
it shook the Labour Party | 0:53:31 | 0:53:32 | |
and everybody else who just believed that it was... | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
we were never going to leave, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
we were always going to remain in the EU. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
And I think for the working class people it was like, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
"Yeah, now you've heard us, now do something about it." | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
In Westminster, it felt like everything was changing, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
and no-one was in charge. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
The Prime Minister resigned, and then the hero of the Out campaign, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:03 | |
Boris Johnson, gave up his chance of moving into Number Ten. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
That is the agenda for the next Prime Minister of this country. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:12 | |
But I must tell you, my friends, that person cannot be me. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:18 | |
And so did Michael Gove. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
-REPORTER: -Why have you lost, Mr Gove? | 0:54:21 | 0:54:22 | |
Why have you come third? | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
Good afternoon, lovely to see you all, thank you very much. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
Thank you very much. Can I get into the meeting, please? | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
And a huge Labour rebellion against Jeremy Corbyn | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
plunged it into a new leadership race. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
Thank you so much. Really nice of you. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
Just 21 days after the vote, | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
a new Prime Minister was installed with no election. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
In her first speech, Theresa May tried to address many voters | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
who'd chosen Out who feel left behind. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
If you're from an ordinary working class family, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
life is much harder than many people in Westminster realise. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
I know you're working around the clock, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
I know you're doing your best, and I know that sometimes, life can be a struggle. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:07 | |
The government I lead will be driven not by the interests of | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
the privileged few, but by yours. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
We will do everything we can to give you more control over your lives. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:20 | |
Carrying on just as before at Westminster doesn't seem an option. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:29 | |
The referendum exposed the differences among us. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
Three million people who hadn't voted in a number of elections | 0:55:35 | 0:55:39 | |
going back voted this time | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
and the vast majority of them voted to leave. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
Pollsters, people who understand politics, | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
say these people won't vote, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
they won't be part of it, | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
but they were and they had a huge say in the final result. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
Given how alienated and left behind these people feel already, | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
if we don't come up with some answers to | 0:56:00 | 0:56:02 | |
the challenge that they have laid down for us, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
what kind of country will we become? | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
I'm a democrat, the result was clear, | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
but we mustn't shirk from the uncomfortable truth | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
that this was a democratic decision | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
taken in which older voters basically overwhelmed | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
the stated preferences of what young people in this country want. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
The sniffy and patronising way in which | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
the liberal middle-class elite in London has just looked at the votes | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
of people in my patch and said, | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
"These people are either too stupid too Northern, too working-class, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
"too poor, too old, and they didn't really know what they were voting for," | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
I think it's just deeply offensive. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
It requires politicians with a bit of historic perspective and | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
understanding of the dynamics on how we got to this point, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:56 | |
and quite frankly, right now, | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
I don't really see many of them around. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
The result wasn't solely about Europe, | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
it was about ways in which the world had changed, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
the people who'd been left behind, | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
and a ferocious dislike of the Establishment, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
and the political class in particular. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
The referendum was not just a political soap opera | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
full of anxiety and ambition. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
Our choice will change our place in the world, | 0:57:28 | 0:57:32 | |
our politics and our economics. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
In a way, it was an orderly revolution. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
It certainly was two fingers up to this place from voters around the country, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:41 | |
some of whom felt they had just been ignored, and for too long. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
But it was more than that - | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
it was a coup by a small band of dedicated campaigners | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
who were willing to take advantage of a Prime Minister | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
fresh from a victory, who thought he could win again, | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
a Labour Party in disarray, and who together outfoxed | 0:57:56 | 0:58:00 | |
and outfought the political establishment. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
I've never known a story like it, and this is just the start. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:07 |