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I'm on a journey around an exotic

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and beautiful land at the edge of Europe.

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I'm in Ireland.

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It's a place that's so near and yet can seem so far away

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and I've never really explored it.

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I'm going to travel all the way around Ireland by land,

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by sea and by air.

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This is incredible!

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I want to find out more about this island divided between

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two countries with an often troubled history.

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I'll be meeting the enterprising...

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Yes, here's success - success, excellent!

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..and the mildly eccentric.

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I just keep getting offered more monkeys, you know.

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-You would take more if you could?

-Yeah, absolutely.

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This is a land steeped in religious faith...

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What are you doing? Why barefoot?

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Well, they say it's the proper way to do it.

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..and in ancient myths and legends.

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I meet people regularly who have met the fairies and you don't interfere with them.

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-Don't mess with the fairies.

-Exactly.

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But in the 21st century,

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many here are embracing extraordinary changes.

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Who would have thought that homosexuality would unify Ireland?

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I mean, that's pretty amazing.

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On this last leg of my journey, I'm going to be travelling

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down the east coast to the great cities of Belfast and Dublin.

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Look at this!

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And on to the south of Ireland, where my travels began.

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I'm in Northern Ireland. I'm starting the second leg

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of my journey around the island of Ireland

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and I'm here at the Giant's Causeway - one of the wonders of the world!

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The columns here are the result of an ancient

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volcanic eruption, of course.

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But the myths and the legends that surround this place

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are much more interesting.

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The main legend is that giants used this as a road, as a causeway,

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between Ireland and Scotland - which isn't many miles in that direction.

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And it's quite a convenient myth in many ways for many Protestants,

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particularly here in the north of Ireland, because

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it reinforces their connection with Scotland and with Britain.

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The links between Ireland and Scotland have been strong

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since the Stone Age.

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At their narrowest point, there's only 13 miles of water.

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Many Protestants in Northern Ireland are descended from Scots who

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arrived in the 1600s during the organised colonisation

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known as the Plantation of Ulster.

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The plantation was devised partly as a way of taking control

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of an unruly region of Catholic Ireland by flooding it

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with tens of thousands of Scottish and English settlers.

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Of course, that ultimately led to deep divisions and violent conflict.

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For decades, much of Northern Ireland was torn apart

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by the sectarian conflict known as the Troubles.

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Protestants were mainly Loyalists and Unionists who wanted to

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stay part of the United Kingdom, whereas Catholics were generally

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republicans and nationalists who either wanted to separate from

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the UK or unite with the Republic of Ireland to form a United Ireland.

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But I'm heading now to a community where Protestants

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and Catholics live together in relative peace and harmony.

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I'm going to find out how they manage that.

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Kate? Hello - Simon.

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-Hello.

-Lovely to meet you.

-Lovely to meet you as well.

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-Permission to come aboard?

-Absolutely, yeah.

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Kate Burns is from one of the many communities in Northern Ireland that

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didn't suffer the pain of intense sectarianism during the Troubles.

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She was taking me to Rathlin Island.

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It's a mixed-faith community in what's called a Special Area of Conservation.

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A few decades ago, jobs were scarce here

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and the island's population was in decline.

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Now there's tourism and fishing

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but Kate's also pioneering an unusual new industry.

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So tell us a bit about Rathlin Island.

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How many people live here?

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There's about 123 and it's been growing.

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-About 123?

-Yeah, yeah.

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And are you...? You're a new arrival?

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Well, I arrived in 1978.

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Oh, that's very recent. You've only just got here, then!

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What was life like here during the Troubles?

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From a community perspective, we just didn't have...

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there just wasn't this division

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that there was on the mainland, even though

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there were the two communities, Catholic and Protestant communities

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on the island, and they've always worked together and played together.

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Catholics and Protestants here went to the same school -

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unusual in Northern Ireland, where education's still shockingly segregated.

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They've even ended up together.

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People on the island were buried together - are buried together?

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They are buried together.

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And that sounds, as an outsider, well, yes, of course, that's very normal.

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But it wasn't and still isn't that normal in Northern Ireland, is it?

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Not normal at all, actually. But... So, they're all here.

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And what a beautiful place to be buried as well.

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Yes, absolutely.

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Rathlin is stunning,

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but to keep this remote community alive in the 21st century,

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Kate and the other residents have had to be imaginative.

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So, Kate, where are we going?

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Right, this is quite a good place to get kelp.

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Ugh! Wet welly - not good.

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This is what we're here for.

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Seaweed!

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HE LAUGHS

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Now, to too many people, this is just something that rots

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and smells on the seashore.

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But this is a superfood.

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Why should people be eating this -

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something they think of as just a slimy sea-y weed?

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Well, it's lovely, it's a superfood and it's good for the ocean,

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it's good for you and it's good to eat.

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-Well, I would pay money for that as a snack, even as it is there.

-Mmm.

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The taste isn't too strong - it's quite subtle.

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Subtle ocean flavour.

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-Subtle ocean flavour, yeah.

-It has.

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Seaweed's incredibly versatile - as a biofuel, in medicine and as a food.

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Kelp's been used to make noodles in the East for centuries

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and it's becoming fashionable in the West, so Kate's started farming it.

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Yes, here's success! Success, excellent. OK!

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What have you found?

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Now, this is what I'm after today, this particular kind of kelp,

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which has got brown patches on it.

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-Can you see those patches?

-Yes, yes.

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Those are the seeds.

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Really? And so what are you going to do with it?

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-We're going to make baby kelp plants from it.

-THEY LAUGH

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The seeds Kate gathers here are used to plant

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enormous quantities of kelp in a farm out at sea.

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There's almost no negative impact on the environment from growing

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the superfood this way.

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Low in calories but rich in vitamins and minerals,

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Kate believes it's a foodstuff that could revolutionise

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the economy of this remote island, but growing seaweed

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could also help to meet the world's increasing food needs.

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Kate has licensed 22 acres of sea for her underwater farm

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and can now produce between 60 and 80 tonnes of food a year.

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Her son Duncan helps run the farm.

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The kelp grows on more than a dozen ropes strung out across the sea.

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Got it!

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Maybe what they're growing here will be in a supermarket or restaurant near you soon.

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Yay! Look at that!

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Oh, that's fantastic.

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Look! Here we go.

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So for us making noodles and salads from this,

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this is a lovely, fine, clean product.

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Each one of these buoys has ropes like this

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-and it goes on for miles.

-HE LAUGHS

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How do you feel when you see this?

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Look, it's growing successfully here on your farm.

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I just think this is just super.

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I just get really excited when I see it.

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And this hasn't taken masses of pesticides and fertilizers.

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It's taken nothing, no.

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It's just been put in the sea.

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Is this the future of food?

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I think what we're doing here is

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the start of something which is going to grow in other places.

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But, yeah - this is what food should be.

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Feeding seven billion people on this planet is a huge challenge for us

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and growing food on land is becoming quite difficult -

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we're running out of space and people are using enormous

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amounts of fertilizers and pesticides and insecticides.

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Growing it out here in the sea like this - naturally, organically,

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sustainably - it's got to be the future.

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Back on the mainland,

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I resumed my journey down the east coast, leaving Rathlin Island behind.

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I'm now going to head along the causeway coastal route

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towards Belfast.

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That coastal route has been rated as one of the top drives in the world.

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Look at this place!

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This beautiful coast road has always been celebrated by locals.

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But since peace has come to Northern Ireland,

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the rest of the world has woken up to it, too.

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Tourists are coming back and the film and TV industry now uses

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studios in the province and landscapes as locations.

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There's one hugely popular US TV series in particular that's

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making Northern Ireland's scenery internationally famous.

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It's boosted Northern Ireland's economy by tens of millions of pounds

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and created thousands of jobs.

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It's beautiful round here.

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There's a road up ahead that's particularly picturesque.

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This is it.

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It's called the Dark Hedges.

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Oh!

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It seems a few other people have heard about it as well.

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Game Of Thrones is the international smash-hit TV series.

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It's shot in a former shipyard building in Belfast

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and at locations like this.

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We've got travellers coming from Asia

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to look at a road in Northern Ireland that's featured on a TV series.

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It's a changing world!

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Where have you come from?

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-California.

-California!

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People have really got into the whole world of

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Game Of Thrones, haven't they?

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Yeah, well, you know... It's a novelty.

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We don't have medieval, you know, castles and history and horses...

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-Water, rain!

-Water, green!

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So what are the sort of key things that you think of

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when you thought of Northern Ireland?

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It's... I mean, Game Of Thrones definitely influences a lot of the people I work with.

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I work with a lot of nerds.

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I work at a software company

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so we have, like, you know, comic-con day and dress-up day

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-and stuff like that, so we always have characters walking around...

-From Game Of Thrones!

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So you have a dress-up day...

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-Yes!

-..at your California internet technology company?

-Yes.

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This is brilliant!

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Many think Game Of Thrones has been the biggest

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positive publicity boost the province has had in decades.

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I headed to Northern Ireland's capital city, Belfast,

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which for many outsiders still has a tricky reputation.

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Before I get into Belfast, there's something I wanted you to see.

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And that is...

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the view of Belfast. Look at this!

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How many news reports have I seen from Belfast over the decades...

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..talking of death and suffering

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and tragedy and conflict?

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Hundreds and hundreds.

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And yet this is Belfast today.

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Looks shiny, looks peaceful.

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Let's go and see what it's like on the ground.

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Hundreds of millions of pounds have been spent on the redevelopment

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of Belfast since the Good Friday Peace Agreement.

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The checkpoints have gone.

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A whole generation has grown up in relative peace.

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There are still political militants and paramilitaries here, of course,

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but the majority of people just want to move on from the Troubles

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and they're often embarrassed by the antics of the minority.

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So this is, I'm pretty sure, the Cathedral Quarter,

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which is the sort of, you know, trendy bit of Belfast.

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That's where I'm going.

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I'm on my way to meet a bloke called Jake O'Kane.

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Bet there's nowhere to bloody park, though.

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Goodness me! A man with a lemur on his head.

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Things have changed so dramatically here, it's got to the point

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where people can joke about religion and politics.

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I met up with one of Belfast's leading comedians and satirists.

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-Jake?

-Simon, welcome, welcome.

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Thank you very much indeed.

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What have you said in the past, Jake?

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I've said a lot in the past. That's what I do.

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I say things that people think but don't say. That's very important.

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Are you an equal opportunities satirist?

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Oh, I hate everybody.

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I have no respect for power, I have no respect for privilege,

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I have no respect for history.

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I have no respect for what's gone before.

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How would you describe Belfast today? Is this Belfast today?

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Yeah. This is Belfast. This is the Belfast I know.

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So my generation, when I was a younger man,

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we never came into the city centre.

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-We always socialised in our own little camp.

-Why?

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Because it was dangerous. Because you could get shot.

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Very simple, very basic.

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And it's become busy and vibrant since.

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It's totally opened up.

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Since when?

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Started after the Good Friday Agreement. Started after peace.

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Started after we stopped shooting each other.

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Naturally, that's when things began to open up.

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Today, kids are coming into Belfast city centre, they're mixing,

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no-one gives a damn whether they're Protestant or Catholic.

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Is there such a thing here as an embarrassed majority?

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-Yes.

-And are you part of it?

-Yes.

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The majority here are not tied or captured by their past.

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They have... They are not giving up who they are,

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who they believe they are,

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but they are willing to reach the hand out and accommodate

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and compromise and say, "Let's find a middle ground."

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But not everyone in Belfast feels able or ready to reach out a hand.

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It's only a short drive from the lively Cathedral Quarter

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to less affluent and still divided areas of Belfast.

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Now, this - this is a real shocker.

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This is one of the euphemistically named peace walls.

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A security wall that divides communities -

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this is a Loyalist community on this side

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and on the other side is a republican community.

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And they have to be kept apart.

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And you know what's really tragic?

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A lot of these walls have actually gone up

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since the peace process began.

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There's dozens of the barriers and locals still don't want them removed.

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It sounds extraordinary, but many people killed in the Troubles died

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where peace walls had been built, and I, for one, can understand

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why their friends and relatives might not want to take them down.

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I arrived in Belfast on the most important weekend of the year

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for many in the Unionist and Loyalist community.

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The main event of the summer marching season

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celebrates an historic military victory

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in which the Protestant King William of Orange defeated

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Catholic King James II in the Battle of the Boyne in 1690.

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It secured the Protestant ascendancy in Ireland for generations,

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to the detriment of the Catholic majority.

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Marching bands like this one practise all year for the main event

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on July 12th, in which thousands parade through the streets.

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I met up with Michael Crosby,

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a long-standing member of the Pride of Ardoyne Flute Band.

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Now it's a street party?

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Street party, yeah. It's a community festival.

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Can you tell us just a little bit about the community?

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Give us a sense of the community here,

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that's quite a small area, I'm thinking.

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This is Glenbryn estate, which we refer to as Loyalist Ardoyne.

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You have nationalist Ardoyne, so we refer to this as Loyalist Ardoyne.

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We have something like seven to eight streets.

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It's been through a lot of hard times during the Troubles.

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We've lost a lot of people in here,

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shot dead, whatever, through the Troubles.

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But we're a close-knit community.

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Seven or eight roads is a pretty small community, isn't it?

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And are you...? Do you feel hemmed in, surrounded here?

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If you look down the street, you have houses that still have

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barbed wire in front of the windows. This is 2015.

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But, of course, a stone's throw away in nationalist Ardoyne,

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Catholics feel just as besieged.

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Celebrations for 12th July kick off with huge bonfires

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lit all around the city the night before.

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Look at the size of that!

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Tradition has it that bonfires were originally lit to guide

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the ships of the Protestant King William of Orange.

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I felt this was one tradition that had got rather out of hand.

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Many Catholics feel it's a triumphalistic celebration

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of the victory of Protestants over Catholics.

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I do struggle, I must say, to understand how burning hundreds

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and hundreds of pallets is really an expression of culture.

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But it feels intimidatory as well.

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What's curious, I suppose, is this sort of thing would never

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be tolerated in many other British cities.

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But here, still allowances are being made, have to be made,

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otherwise people would get very angry.

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Nationalist and Catholic symbols - like effigies of the Pope -

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can be burnt on the pyres.

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It can be deeply upsetting to Catholics.

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It felt strange to be in Belfast on the 12th. It's not a normal weekend.

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Many people in the city have no interest in the event

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and leave for a holiday.

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On the Glenbryn estate, they're about to light their giant bonfire.

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I met up again with Michael Crosby from the Pride of Ardoyne Flute Band.

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You're loading up there.

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Now obviously, we've got an IRA sign here.

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That's going to go up.

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Above it, you've got the flag of the Republic, the tricolour -

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the Republic of Ireland. Why are you burning that?

0:20:440:20:47

Because this is British. This is British Northern Ireland.

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This is Northern Ireland, part of the British state.

0:20:500:20:53

That's a foreign flag.

0:20:530:20:54

Now, you know some people are going to say that's very provocative.

0:20:540:20:57

It's not provocative. It's not. It's not a flag of my country.

0:20:570:21:01

The flag of my country is the Union Jack and the Ulster flag.

0:21:010:21:04

But putting it up there isn't just another country - that's the enemy, isn't it?

0:21:040:21:08

-Yeah.

-And it still feels that way?

-Yeah.

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CHEERING AND SHOUTING

0:21:160:21:21

Bloody hell!

0:21:240:21:26

The heat is astonishing.

0:21:320:21:34

The whole scene is completely surreal for me.

0:21:350:21:38

Many people here feel their culture, identity,

0:21:410:21:44

and survival is under threat, even though recent polls show that

0:21:440:21:48

most Catholics in Northern Ireland also want to stay part of the UK.

0:21:480:21:52

What is your ultimate concern?

0:21:540:21:58

Shared space and a shared future.

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Is your ultimate concern that you're going to be

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pushed out of Ireland, basically?

0:22:020:22:06

I hope in my generation,

0:22:060:22:07

when I'm dead and buried, that this country is still British

0:22:070:22:13

and my grandkids can still go to school and express our culture

0:22:130:22:17

like I'm doing tonight, having a few beers.

0:22:170:22:20

The whole weekend, we enjoy our culture and enjoy our freedom.

0:22:200:22:24

What a scene.

0:22:310:22:32

It's really sad to hear the fear,

0:22:350:22:39

actually, the concern

0:22:390:22:42

that people here have about the loss of their culture,

0:22:420:22:46

their identity, their territory.

0:22:460:22:49

Their sense of Britishness.

0:22:520:22:53

As an outsider, obviously, I see it completely differently.

0:22:560:23:00

From my perspective, the Loyalists won.

0:23:000:23:02

This is still a separate country.

0:23:040:23:06

They don't see it that way.

0:23:060:23:08

They see their position under threat.

0:23:080:23:11

It's easy to judge this community for not moving on,

0:23:130:23:16

but many died here during the Troubles

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and I could sympathise with their reluctance to abandon traditions.

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There's also high unemployment here.

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Their British identity gives a sense of pride.

0:23:230:23:25

It was the morning of the 12th

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and members of the Protestant Orange Order were marching through the centre of Belfast.

0:23:370:23:41

I actually feel a little bit defensive about this

0:23:480:23:51

because although it is odd, although it is exotic,

0:23:510:23:55

this is a largely working-class celebration of their fundamental identity.

0:23:550:24:02

Don't knock it and don't try and take it away from them,

0:24:020:24:05

unless you're going to give them something to believe in.

0:24:050:24:09

So here comes the Pride of Ardoyne

0:24:090:24:10

and they're getting quite a reception from the crowd.

0:24:100:24:13

I spotted Michael.

0:24:150:24:17

Michael. Michael! Can we come with you?

0:24:170:24:21

Yes, by all means!

0:24:210:24:23

You've got a massive smile on your face!

0:24:250:24:29

It's our culture. It's the best day of the year.

0:24:290:24:32

-Why are you stopping playing here? Or just going to a single drumbeat.

-To respect the cenotaph.

0:24:370:24:42

The war memorial's just there.

0:24:420:24:43

Yup, the people who fought in two world wars and Afghanistan and Iraq.

0:24:430:24:48

-And here.

-Yeah, and here, yeah.

0:24:480:24:50

That's really interesting, cos as outsiders,

0:24:500:24:53

we can perhaps forget that people here, your community,

0:24:530:24:56

probably people in your band, fought and bled for Queen and country.

0:24:560:25:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:25:010:25:03

And that feels absolutely at your core?

0:25:030:25:05

Oh, aye. You have to respect what they've done for this country and for Britain.

0:25:050:25:09

For many lining the route, it's a family day out.

0:25:160:25:19

CHEERING

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But Catholics don't think this day is a time for celebration.

0:25:210:25:24

For them, it commemorates a tragic time in their history.

0:25:240:25:29

Some Loyalist bands still want to follow traditional routes

0:25:290:25:32

close to nationalist areas.

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In previous years, enraged Catholics have rioted.

0:25:340:25:37

I headed back to the Ardoyne area of Belfast

0:25:390:25:41

and met up with Catholic priest Father Gary Donegan.

0:25:410:25:44

So I think most Loyalists would see this weekend

0:25:480:25:50

as a time of celebration.

0:25:500:25:54

How do you see it?

0:25:540:25:57

For us, it's a time where people in the community

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generally are under siege.

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What happens is, during a parade, the area becomes like lockdown.

0:26:030:26:08

And you see massive police operations.

0:26:080:26:10

Let's stop here for a second.

0:26:100:26:13

Why do so many Catholics feel under siege at this time?

0:26:130:26:17

By the time the evening takes place, that stage,

0:26:170:26:21

people have been drinking, people have been taking

0:26:210:26:24

all sorts of substance abuse on both sides of the community

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and you've got the perfect storm then for a possible riot or public disturbance.

0:26:270:26:32

I rejoined the parade.

0:26:360:26:39

Tension was rising.

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Goodness me!

0:26:410:26:43

The Independent Parades Commission had banned marchers

0:26:430:26:46

from taking their flags home past the Catholic area up ahead.

0:26:460:26:50

So they're singing, if you can't hear, "We want to go home."

0:26:520:26:56

# We want to go home. #

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But they already knew that the police weren't going to let them through.

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What are you feeling about what's up ahead?

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I'm nervous.

0:27:110:27:12

You're nervous - really?

0:27:120:27:14

Yeah, in case something kicks off.

0:27:140:27:16

All it takes is one brick, one bottle - you know what I mean?

0:27:160:27:20

The Orange Order and bands arrived at the police blockade

0:27:230:27:25

and there was a tense standoff.

0:27:250:27:27

It wasn't long before violence erupted.

0:27:290:27:32

Come on, we'd better go back.

0:27:320:27:34

Already, instantly... My God. ..bottles are being chucked, hoods are coming up.

0:27:340:27:38

We need to move back out of the way.

0:27:380:27:40

Go back. Go, go, go.

0:27:400:27:41

So we've now come round behind the police line.

0:27:460:27:49

I think the barricade is up ahead.

0:27:490:27:53

To me, as an outsider, it all felt bizarre and faintly absurd.

0:27:530:27:57

This just has far too much of a feel that...

0:28:100:28:12

..people here have done this for a long time,

0:28:150:28:18

so there's lots of camera crews on this side

0:28:180:28:20

who clearly know how far these folk can chuck their bottles.

0:28:200:28:24

They're at a certain line, then the police are further ahead.

0:28:240:28:28

It feels like people know what their positions and roles are

0:28:300:28:34

in this situation, because it's played out year after year.

0:28:340:28:38

God, how depressing.

0:28:410:28:43

These local Catholic residents watch from afar.

0:28:500:28:53

The police seem to think they might get it from both sides,

0:28:530:28:56

but the rioters - this year at least - were all Loyalists.

0:28:560:28:59

They're chucking bricks, bottles, bolts, even traffic cones.

0:28:590:29:04

The water cannon's been brought up.

0:29:040:29:06

Incoming!

0:29:080:29:09

An officer has just been hit just there.

0:29:130:29:16

My God! They're having to drag him away.

0:29:160:29:19

The water cannon's being used now, look.

0:29:210:29:24

This is going to go on for hours, I fear.

0:29:240:29:28

There obviously was a peace process, but there wasn't a resolution

0:29:280:29:32

of the fundamental issues that are dividing the society.

0:29:320:29:36

So there is now management of stalemate.

0:29:380:29:41

And there have got to be advances made

0:29:430:29:45

in bringing communities together and integrating them,

0:29:450:29:49

getting them to live together.

0:29:490:29:52

It's going to take a long time, but this situation here,

0:29:520:29:54

this is a small part of the story of Northern Ireland

0:29:540:29:57

and it's a small part of the story of the island of Ireland.

0:29:570:30:00

The violence I saw was the only trouble over the entire weekend.

0:30:080:30:12

Even just a few streets away, life continued as usual.

0:30:120:30:16

For the majority of people living in Belfast,

0:30:160:30:19

sectarianism and tribal conflict is largely a thing of the past.

0:30:190:30:23

You realise quite quickly there's a lot of leafy, middle-class suburbs here.

0:30:230:30:30

And, of course, to most of the people who live here,

0:30:300:30:32

they'll say, "Well, yes - of course there are."

0:30:320:30:35

But to many outsiders who still think of Belfast as being a gritty,

0:30:350:30:40

grimy city of conflict, they perhaps don't realise that this exists here.

0:30:400:30:45

But Belfast is not all flags and fighting.

0:30:450:30:49

A lot of it is just very, very normal.

0:30:510:30:54

Some of the barriers here are coming down -

0:30:560:31:00

the barriers in people's minds.

0:31:000:31:02

I'm off to summer school!

0:31:040:31:05

Linda Ervine come from a family of leading Unionists,

0:31:070:31:11

but she's become a champion of the Irish language and a teacher.

0:31:110:31:16

You're from what some would say is the Loyalist royal family,

0:31:160:31:20

almost, here in Belfast.

0:31:200:31:23

So it's quite unusual that you started to learn

0:31:230:31:27

and love the language, because that's the standard view

0:31:270:31:31

of Gaelic Irish speakers, that they would be Catholic.

0:31:310:31:36

Yeah. And some people would regard the language as something divisive,

0:31:360:31:40

something that's saying, you know, that you're nationalist,

0:31:400:31:43

that you're in favour of an all-Ireland, for instance.

0:31:430:31:46

But, for me, with the language, the Gaelic language actually unites us

0:31:460:31:49

and for anybody to deny that, they need to look in their British passport.

0:31:490:31:53

Because if they look in their British passport,

0:31:530:31:55

it's written in three languages. It's in English, Welsh and Gaelic.

0:31:550:31:58

Gaelic is a language of the British Isles.

0:31:580:32:01

That is a good point.

0:32:010:32:03

-And as somebody who uses that passport quite a lot, I think I'd forgotten that.

-Yeah.

0:32:030:32:08

One of the things I don't want to do is I don't want to go down the road

0:32:080:32:11

of "We're taking it back" - there's enough of that in Northern Ireland.

0:32:110:32:15

What we always wanted to do was just take our place within the Irish language community.

0:32:150:32:20

The Irish language, or Gaelic, is associated with being Catholic

0:32:200:32:23

and nationalist, but many of the early Protestant settlers here in the north spoke Gaelic.

0:32:230:32:28

SHE SPEAKS IRISH GAELIC

0:32:280:32:34

I was thinking that this was the real muppet beginner class,

0:32:340:32:37

-which was probably appropriate for me, but...

-Did you not know that this is for the fluent speakers?

0:32:370:32:41

-Yes, I think this is quite advanced, isn't it?

-We're doing grammar.

0:32:410:32:44

We're going to have to get someone to teach Simon some Gaelic.

0:32:440:32:47

Um, please. Thank you. Two fried eggs!

0:32:470:32:51

-You'll also need "Sassenach".

-Sassenach.

0:32:510:32:53

Sassenach - cos you're an Englishman.

0:32:530:32:56

SHE SPEAKS IRISH GAELIC

0:32:560:32:59

HE REPEATS IN IRISH GAELIC

0:32:590:33:01

Linda teaches in an Irish-language school in a Loyalist area.

0:33:010:33:05

The schools are springing up across Northern Ireland.

0:33:050:33:09

Why do you think so many people are now wanting to learn Irish?

0:33:090:33:14

So it's kind of strange. It can totally change your outlook

0:33:140:33:17

and I think the work that Linda has done and is doing

0:33:170:33:20

and the work that's happening in east Belfast is miles ahead,

0:33:200:33:26

streets ahead, in terms of community relations.

0:33:260:33:29

You look at it. It's 16 years since the Good Friday Agreement.

0:33:290:33:32

All the work has been done in a divisive way.

0:33:320:33:34

So it's all about - we'll have ten Protestants and ten Catholics

0:33:340:33:37

and if we talk about St Patrick's Day, we'll talk about the Boyne.

0:33:370:33:40

Everything focuses on difference.

0:33:400:33:42

And, for me, all we do is, you know,

0:33:420:33:44

we're not interested in we'll have 50% Catholics and 50% Protestants - we're offering a language.

0:33:440:33:50

Come and learn a language.

0:33:500:33:52

And we don't take a note of whether you're Catholic or Protestant

0:33:520:33:55

cos I'm not interested.

0:33:550:33:56

I'm interested in people who want to learn the language.

0:33:560:33:58

And that's what we need to do in Northern Ireland, bring

0:33:580:34:01

people together in a way that they can meet, integrate and something

0:34:010:34:06

that interests them, rather than focusing on how they're different.

0:34:060:34:10

This is home, so to travel to part of my own country

0:34:110:34:16

and learn about the situation there has been really fascinating.

0:34:160:34:20

I'm leaving Belfast now. I'm leaving Northern Ireland, in fact,

0:34:220:34:25

and I'm heading south, continuing my journey.

0:34:250:34:28

I travelled down the east coast, crossed the border

0:34:320:34:35

into the Republic of Ireland and headed towards the town of Drogheda.

0:34:350:34:39

In 1649, English forces under Oliver Cromwell attacked

0:34:430:34:48

and took Drogheda under an epic siege and battle.

0:34:480:34:51

As a result, Cromwell became a hate figure in much of Ireland.

0:34:530:34:56

But what exactly happened during the attack is still being

0:34:590:35:02

argued about to this day.

0:35:020:35:03

Tom Reilly is a local historian who has made an extremely

0:35:070:35:10

detailed study of first-hand accounts of the period.

0:35:100:35:14

Oh, goodness!

0:35:140:35:16

Tom, why have we come here?

0:35:160:35:18

We've come here because this is the site of exactly where

0:35:180:35:20

Cromwell broke into the town.

0:35:200:35:23

-Just over here.

-The church?

0:35:230:35:24

-On the wall, yes.

-Oh, the wall, I see.

0:35:240:35:27

In 1649, Cromwell and his Puritan supporters

0:35:280:35:32

had just overthrown King Charles I.

0:35:320:35:34

Then Cromwell turned his attention to Ireland and Drogheda,

0:35:360:35:39

a vital port that was supporting the King.

0:35:390:35:42

These are the medieval town walls.

0:35:440:35:45

-Old Drogheda here.

-Yeah. You're inside the town walls.

0:35:450:35:49

And who was inside?

0:35:490:35:50

Royalists. This is essentially an extension of the English Civil War.

0:35:500:35:55

Why did he want to take Drogheda, then?

0:35:550:35:57

Because there was a possibility, a very strong possibility, that an army from Ireland

0:35:570:36:01

could have been assembled, could have gone to England,

0:36:010:36:04

and could have put the king back on the throne.

0:36:040:36:06

Cromwell and his 12,000 troops surrounded the town.

0:36:070:36:10

The siege went on for a week.

0:36:120:36:14

Cromwell brought in heavy artillery by sea

0:36:150:36:18

and pounded the defensive walls.

0:36:180:36:20

Eventually, they broke through.

0:36:210:36:23

-Do we know where the breach was?

-Yeah, so there's a breach here.

0:36:240:36:28

So the wall has been... Well, it looks as though this has been

0:36:280:36:31

-rebuilt a bit.

-It has.

-So, this... The breach was from here to there.

0:36:310:36:35

Yeah, exactly.

0:36:350:36:37

So, if you were standing here, 1649, about five o'clock,

0:36:370:36:40

you would hear psalms being sung. You'd be walking on bodies

0:36:400:36:43

and you'd want to run,

0:36:430:36:44

because Cromwell is coming up with a bodyguard

0:36:440:36:46

and he means trouble.

0:36:460:36:47

Cromwell and his army entered the town.

0:36:500:36:53

What happened after that is what is still disputed today.

0:36:530:36:57

What is the conventional story of what happened here?

0:37:010:37:04

Well, like everybody is still being taught,

0:37:040:37:06

I was effectively told that Cromwell, this monster, this ogre,

0:37:060:37:10

this blacker than black individual

0:37:100:37:13

came to my town and killed, essentially, all the civilians in it.

0:37:130:37:17

And this resonated through my childhood. Everybody's childhood.

0:37:170:37:21

Not just in this town, but in Ireland. Anyone.

0:37:210:37:24

He epitomises English oppression.

0:37:240:37:27

And what's your version of what happened here?

0:37:270:37:30

My take on that is that Cromwell came to Ireland,

0:37:300:37:32

encountered what was essentially an English town,

0:37:320:37:34

they took the English town

0:37:340:37:36

but they kept the battle in a military context.

0:37:360:37:39

You're saying that Cromwell was framed.

0:37:400:37:43

I'm exactly saying that.

0:37:430:37:45

He wrote a document in 1649, after Drogheda,

0:37:450:37:49

and ten times in that document he says,

0:37:490:37:51

"Civilians are to be left out of the war."

0:37:510:37:54

It's all very clear. There's a mountain of evidence.

0:37:540:37:57

Tom's version of events is controversial but fascinating.

0:37:570:38:01

Hatred of Cromwell and what he's said to have done in Drogheda

0:38:010:38:03

further poisoned the relationships between the Brits and the Irish.

0:38:030:38:07

Many Irish schoolchildren are still taught he's the devil incarnate.

0:38:070:38:11

Does this all matter, now, in the 21st century?

0:38:110:38:13

As I'm concerned, it's history.

0:38:130:38:15

All of these things happened in the past.

0:38:150:38:17

But, in Ireland, we are still inspired by our history.

0:38:170:38:21

We hold our nationalism dear to our hearts

0:38:210:38:24

and so we hate Cromwell.

0:38:240:38:25

If you take Cromwell away, what are we going to hate?

0:38:250:38:29

What's not disputed is that after capturing Drogheda,

0:38:290:38:32

Cromwell tightened the English grip on the rest of Ireland.

0:38:320:38:36

It was another 250 years before Ireland achieved independence.

0:38:360:38:40

30 miles south of Drogheda,

0:38:460:38:47

I arrived into Dublin, the republic's capital.

0:38:470:38:51

Irish nationalists were staging their own parade here,

0:38:530:38:57

organised by Sinn Fein, the republican political party.

0:38:570:39:00

It was nearly 100 years

0:39:020:39:04

since the Easter, 1916 uprising that led to Irish independence,

0:39:040:39:08

and they were beginning a series of events to mark the occasion.

0:39:080:39:11

This is an extraordinary story

0:39:140:39:16

and it's the story of the birth of a nation.

0:39:160:39:18

Irish nationalism, in many ways, has gone into the background

0:39:210:39:24

in the republic.

0:39:240:39:25

It's not front and centre in people's minds.

0:39:250:39:28

They've got other concerns

0:39:280:39:30

and this is part of a series of events that Sinn Fein are using

0:39:300:39:33

to try and reawaken that sense of Irish national identity,

0:39:330:39:37

of one Ireland.

0:39:370:39:38

At the beginning of the 20th century,

0:39:400:39:41

support for an independent Ireland was gathering speed.

0:39:410:39:45

By 1915, public meetings by members of the Republican movement

0:39:480:39:51

were banned, so they used the funeral of a revered activist,

0:39:510:39:55

O'Donovan Rossa, as a call to arms.

0:39:550:39:58

Today, Sinn Fein was staging a re-enactment

0:40:010:40:03

of the funeral, attended by party leaders.

0:40:030:40:06

It included a reading from a fiery speech by Patrick Pearse,

0:40:080:40:13

a nationalist leader at the time.

0:40:130:40:15

"We pledge to Ireland our love

0:40:150:40:17

"and we pledge to English rule in Ireland our hate.

0:40:170:40:20

"Life springs from death

0:40:220:40:24

"and from the graves of patriot men and women, spring living nations.

0:40:240:40:29

"They think they have provided against everything.

0:40:300:40:33

"But the fools, the fools, the fools!

0:40:330:40:38

"They have left us our Fenian dead

0:40:380:40:41

"and while Ireland holds these graves,

0:40:410:40:44

"Ireland, unfree,

0:40:440:40:45

"shall never be at peace."

0:40:450:40:47

As much as anything,

0:40:490:40:51

it was that speech that sparked

0:40:510:40:53

the revolution that led to the creation of the Irish Republic.

0:40:530:40:57

The Irish Free State was established in 1922,

0:41:010:41:05

but the revolutionaries had only won a partial victory.

0:41:050:41:09

The island was partitioned and six out of 32 counties,

0:41:090:41:12

Northern Ireland, remained part of the United Kingdom.

0:41:120:41:15

I suppose it's the events, the historic events,

0:41:190:41:22

and what's happened here that has inspired this sort of fervency in the extremes.

0:41:220:41:26

The sense I get here, though,

0:41:280:41:30

is there is still passion for nationalism.

0:41:300:41:33

There is still passion for a united Ireland,

0:41:330:41:36

but there's not the fire.

0:41:360:41:37

Things are changing. Things are developing.

0:41:390:41:42

But the dream of the united Ireland,

0:41:420:41:45

I think, is gone, certainly for this generation.

0:41:450:41:47

The Irish government had held its own ceremony just a few hours earlier.

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The Sinn Fein commemoration was a bit of a stunt,

0:41:550:41:57

but they need to keep the dream alive for the next generation.

0:41:570:42:01

The key event that freed Ireland from the Brits occurred

0:42:060:42:09

just eight months after O'Donovan Rossa's funeral.

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In Easter, 1916, a group of revolutionaries,

0:42:140:42:18

mostly volunteers,

0:42:180:42:19

launched a bloody rebellion against British rule.

0:42:190:42:22

Manchan Magan is a descendent of one of the leaders of the uprising.

0:42:240:42:28

We met up in the heart of Dublin.

0:42:280:42:30

So we have come to one of the most important, well, areas,

0:42:310:42:35

but one of the most important buildings in the history of modern Ireland, haven't we?

0:42:350:42:40

This is the Post Office.

0:42:400:42:42

This is the hub of any empire.

0:42:420:42:45

This was where all telecommunications,

0:42:450:42:48

the telegraph came, all mail came. The only way you could control

0:42:480:42:51

the realms beyond your own front door was through this building.

0:42:510:42:54

If you could destroy this,

0:42:540:42:56

you could basically destroy the stranglehold Britain had.

0:42:560:43:00

On Easter Monday, 1916,

0:43:020:43:05

score of rebels approached the General Post Office.

0:43:050:43:08

One of their leaders was Manchan's great grand-uncle,

0:43:090:43:12

known as The O'Rahilly.

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Despite being relatively untrained,

0:43:150:43:17

they caught the guards unawares, and seized the building.

0:43:170:43:21

So, when they came in here through the doors,

0:43:210:43:23

they knew they were most likely not going to leave.

0:43:230:43:25

If you're a tiny little group of volunteers

0:43:250:43:28

fighting against the might of a massive empire,

0:43:280:43:30

you all will be hung or executed at the end.

0:43:300:43:33

It's inevitable.

0:43:330:43:34

So they wanted a glorious blood sacrifice.

0:43:340:43:37

The rebels hoped to take advantage of the British Army being

0:43:390:43:41

distracted by the First World War,

0:43:410:43:44

but the British government sent thousands of troops

0:43:440:43:47

and heavy artillery into Dublin.

0:43:470:43:49

A Royal Navy gunboat sailed up the River Liffey.

0:43:510:43:54

The British responded with overwhelming force.

0:43:540:43:57

The gunboat was dropping bombs

0:43:590:44:01

and eventually it starts dropping bombs on top of this building.

0:44:010:44:04

The roof goes on fire and they decide,

0:44:040:44:05

"We need to get out of this building, otherwise the roof is going to fall in on us.

0:44:050:44:09

"We won't be martyred in a blood bath. We'll just be crushed by a building."

0:44:090:44:13

So they decide, "Let's try and escape the side door of the GPO,

0:44:130:44:16

"run down Henry Street into Moore Street,"

0:44:160:44:19

but right at the edge there, there's this whole barricade,

0:44:190:44:22

with a Lewis sub-machine gun

0:44:220:44:24

and my great grandad, The O'Rahilly,

0:44:240:44:26

has his sword out. He's charging and suddenly he's ripped with

0:44:260:44:28

bullets from the shoulder, right down to the belly, right across and

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he manages to crawl into a doorway here, on what was called Moore Lane.

0:44:320:44:35

It's now called O'Rahilly Parade after him.

0:44:350:44:38

And, slowly, he dies there.

0:44:380:44:40

As it was founded in blood,

0:44:420:44:46

you had an identity.

0:44:460:44:48

You had a real sense of yourselves.

0:44:480:44:51

Has that helped or has it been a hindrance

0:44:510:44:54

-or has it just been what it is?

-Yeah.

0:44:540:44:56

Because the fight was so glorious, because it was led by poets

0:44:560:44:59

and leaders and idealists, it was a glorious fight

0:44:590:45:02

and then we became infused by the myth of that fight and that

0:45:020:45:05

did have bad results.

0:45:050:45:08

That led to the whole Northern Ireland question.

0:45:080:45:11

The strength and passion of the fight clearly was so potent that it

0:45:110:45:14

was like an intoxicating dream that has dizzied us all for a century.

0:45:140:45:19

And I worry, now, 2016,

0:45:190:45:21

that we're going to mire ourselves in the past.

0:45:210:45:24

Our only chance now, as a nation, as a world, is to put behind us these

0:45:240:45:29

ridiculous dreams of nationhood and struggles for nationality we had

0:45:290:45:33

and to try and become pan-global, sort of, human-focused.

0:45:330:45:37

The Catholic church was central to the identity of the new nation.

0:45:400:45:44

The future Archbishop of Dublin even helped draft the constitution.

0:45:440:45:48

Some say the republic became almost a colony of the Vatican.

0:45:480:45:52

But in recent years, the Church has been losing its influence,

0:45:520:45:55

largely due to a series of child sex abuse scandals.

0:45:550:45:58

Four out of five Catholics went to weekly mass in the 1980s,

0:45:590:46:02

compared to one in five today.

0:46:020:46:04

That's an enormous change for what was one of the most

0:46:050:46:07

conservative and religious countries in the world.

0:46:070:46:10

In May 2015, Ireland took the world by surprise

0:46:110:46:14

and became the first country to vote in a referendum to legalise

0:46:140:46:17

gay marriage,

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despite fierce opposition from the Church.

0:46:180:46:21

I went to Dublin's LGBT film festival

0:46:230:46:25

to find out how this dramatic change came about.

0:46:250:46:29

Hello.

0:46:290:46:31

I don't have an invitation but I'm with him.

0:46:310:46:33

Is it OK to come in? Thank you.

0:46:330:46:34

The curtain raiser for the festival was

0:46:360:46:38

a film about the campaign for equal marriage.

0:46:380:46:41

I was with film-maker Anna Roberts

0:46:420:46:44

and festival organiser Ger Philpott for a gala screening.

0:46:440:46:47

It feels like this is such a colossal event in Irish history.

0:46:490:46:52

-It is. The nation was unified.

-Yeah.

0:46:520:46:55

And when you see the response of people on the screen and why,

0:46:550:46:58

it's amazing and it doesn't get tired.

0:46:580:47:01

I've watched it quite a few times because it reminds me

0:47:010:47:05

of what happened that day.

0:47:050:47:07

The Yes vote won by a landslide.

0:47:120:47:15

Almost two thirds of Irish people voted in favour of equal marriage.

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APPLAUSE

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VOICE ON FILM: "..a message from this small, independent Republic

0:47:230:47:27

"to the entire world is one of dignity and freedom and tolerance.

0:47:270:47:33

"Liberte, fraternite, egalite!"

0:47:330:47:36

CHEERS

0:47:360:47:38

CHEERS AND APPLAUSE

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There's a calm sense of celebration, I would say.

0:47:510:47:55

You've lived through quite an extraordinary evolution,

0:47:550:47:59

transition, whatever you want to call it, in Ireland's culture,

0:47:590:48:03

in its society.

0:48:030:48:04

Homosexuality was profoundly illegal here until very recently.

0:48:040:48:09

It was pretty awful. I was a criminal in my country.

0:48:090:48:13

I certainly shed a lot of tears on the 23rd of May

0:48:130:48:16

when the results were coming through.

0:48:160:48:18

Was it a victory for your community or was it actually a defeat

0:48:180:48:22

for the Church and for the old way of doing things and the old ideas?

0:48:220:48:26

I think it was a defeat for the Church in many respects

0:48:260:48:28

and I think because of the way society has unfolded here,

0:48:280:48:32

and the Catholic Church and the child sexual abuse issues,

0:48:320:48:35

people said, "Well, actually, no, thank you.

0:48:350:48:38

"We don't have to be dictated to. We can do what we want to do."

0:48:380:48:41

It feels to me like you stopped listening to the Church.

0:48:410:48:45

-Yes, I think so.

-I think that's probably what it really comes down to.

0:48:450:48:48

They lost their grip on us. They lost their power over us.

0:48:480:48:52

If the Irish have that fundamental belief in the Church taken

0:48:520:48:56

away from them, is there a risk that they lose a sense of their identity?

0:48:560:49:01

No, I don't think so.

0:49:010:49:03

I think that the results on 23rd May showed that Irish

0:49:030:49:05

people are accepting. They're tolerant. They're embracing

0:49:050:49:09

and they're welcoming.

0:49:090:49:12

That's what Irish people are.

0:49:120:49:14

Who would have thought that homosexuality would unify Ireland?

0:49:140:49:17

I mean, that's pretty amazing.

0:49:170:49:18

Both homosexuality and divorce are now legal,

0:49:190:49:22

but the Church hasn't lost all its power.

0:49:220:49:25

It's the Church, not the state that runs most of the education system.

0:49:250:49:29

-CAR RADIO:

-'OK, we've got music on the way from Westlife.'

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Many think the Church has a role to play in defining Irish identity.

0:49:330:49:38

At a radio station on the outskirts of Dublin, I met broadcaster,

0:49:380:49:41

Wendy Grace, a spokeswoman for pro-Church group, Catholic Comment.

0:49:410:49:45

You are listening to the Morning Show on Spirit Radio.

0:49:470:49:49

That track is called Stars Go Dim

0:49:490:49:51

and You Are Loved on the Morning Show.

0:49:510:49:53

And our next guest is an intrepid explorer.

0:49:530:49:55

We're delighted to have him in the studio to tell us

0:49:550:49:57

what he's been up to in Ireland, Simon Reeve.

0:49:570:49:59

-How are you doing, Simon?

-I'm doing very well.

0:49:590:50:01

Thank you very much for having us in here.

0:50:010:50:03

You've been to so many amazing places all over the world.

0:50:030:50:06

Tell us a little about why you decided to come to Ireland?

0:50:060:50:08

Ireland was, until very recently,

0:50:080:50:11

quite possibly one of the most

0:50:110:50:12

religiously minded, orientated countries in the world.

0:50:120:50:15

Church attendance across the board has completely plummeted.

0:50:150:50:19

I'm fascinated to know what is happening,

0:50:190:50:21

why is it happening, and are people who love the Church,

0:50:210:50:25

who are associated with the Church, are they worried about it?

0:50:250:50:28

Only last week I was in a church I'd never been in before

0:50:280:50:30

and, again, it was full.

0:50:300:50:32

And there was young people my age, so I'm often kind of perplexed

0:50:320:50:34

because I keep hearing about this kind of, you know,

0:50:340:50:36

declining figures and stuff,

0:50:360:50:38

but my experience has been very, very different.

0:50:380:50:41

I only got ten minutes on the radio and then our time was up.

0:50:410:50:45

Right, thank you for having us in.

0:50:450:50:46

-Can we go and have a cup of tea?

-Yeah, we can have a cup of tea.

0:50:460:50:49

After you.

0:50:490:50:51

The Church itself says, "We're in trouble.

0:50:510:50:54

"We've lost a grip on the young, particularly."

0:50:540:50:58

It just feels like the tide has changed in Ireland.

0:50:580:51:02

The sense of what it is to be Irish has moved away from being,

0:51:020:51:06

"Well, we are Catholic. We are traditional,"

0:51:060:51:09

to being something slightly different.

0:51:090:51:12

For so long, like you were saying,

0:51:120:51:14

the Church had such an influence in every area of life

0:51:140:51:18

that the pendulum has almost swung in the other direction,

0:51:180:51:21

where it's kind of the other extreme.

0:51:210:51:23

I wonder what our identity is in Ireland at the moment, actually.

0:51:230:51:27

I think we're kind of being absorbed into this globalised,

0:51:270:51:31

commercial world, where, really, do we have an identity that we can...?

0:51:310:51:35

They've swapped Catholicism for consumerism?

0:51:350:51:38

I think so, yeah.

0:51:380:51:40

Ireland's had a roller-coaster ride.

0:51:400:51:42

The Republic's been through a series of incredible transformations.

0:51:420:51:46

As recently as the 1980s,

0:51:460:51:48

a third of the population here lived below the poverty line.

0:51:480:51:52

In just a generation, it's been both a poor European backwater

0:51:520:51:55

and a tiger economy.

0:51:550:51:57

It's been devoutly religious and now commercialised and globalised.

0:51:570:52:01

As the world changes around them, what values will people hold on to?

0:52:020:52:06

I'm heading south out of Dublin now.

0:52:080:52:10

I am near the end of my journey around the island of Ireland.

0:52:100:52:14

But I've still got a couple more things

0:52:160:52:18

I'd like to see before I finish.

0:52:180:52:20

It's only about five miles from the outskirts of Dublin

0:52:230:52:26

to the border with County Wicklow and a stunning national park.

0:52:260:52:30

It's one of the most beautiful corners of Europe.

0:52:360:52:39

I was heading to meet someone who, as Ireland has changed

0:52:430:52:46

around him, has held true to his own set of principles and values.

0:52:460:52:50

I'm in the Wicklow mountains now

0:52:510:52:53

but I can't tell you exactly where I am

0:52:530:52:55

because I'm heading to a secret sanctuary.

0:52:550:52:58

Here we go.

0:53:020:53:03

Secret turn.

0:53:040:53:05

Aargh! Is it safe to proceed?

0:53:060:53:09

The only thing is the emus love...

0:53:090:53:10

-the newer, the shinier the car...

-Did you say, "the emus"?

-Yes.

0:53:100:53:14

He's waiting for you.

0:53:140:53:16

Willie Heffernan lives in this remote sanctuary with

0:53:170:53:19

a menagerie of rather unusual rescued animals.

0:53:190:53:23

So, this is your bit of paradise by the looks of it.

0:53:230:53:26

Well, it's my last retreat.

0:53:260:53:28

Where are we going?

0:53:280:53:29

To the monkeys.

0:53:290:53:31

To the monkeys?

0:53:310:53:32

-To see the monkeys, yeah.

-Let's go and have a look.

0:53:320:53:34

-Monkeys, then?

-Well, I got an e-mail...

-Ah...!

-It's OK.

0:53:370:53:40

WILLIE LAUGHS

0:53:400:53:41

-Oh, I'm sorry.

-No, that's OK.

0:53:410:53:43

I did have a big breakfast, but...

0:53:430:53:45

Willie wanted to introduce me to his longest-serving residents.

0:53:460:53:49

There's Charlie. Charlie!

0:53:520:53:54

Yeah, he likes his treats.

0:53:540:53:56

He's an old-timer, you know?

0:53:560:53:58

Charlie is a black capuchin monkey who was used in laboratory

0:53:580:54:01

experiments for more than a decade.

0:54:010:54:03

15 years is a long time in the clink.

0:54:050:54:09

You mean Charlie was in a lab? He was being experimented on or what?

0:54:090:54:13

Yeah. Here, throw him a crabstick.

0:54:130:54:15

-Wave it to him.

-Throw him?

-Yeah.

0:54:150:54:18

Go for the big leaves.

0:54:180:54:20

Is that your action of throwing?

0:54:210:54:23

Well, I was waving it about.

0:54:230:54:25

This is the first time in my life, Willie, I've had to show

0:54:250:54:27

a crabstick to a monkey.

0:54:270:54:29

I know that might come as a surprise, but... Incoming!

0:54:290:54:32

Oh, nice.

0:54:340:54:35

Charlie and the crabstick!

0:54:360:54:38

Willie has set up Ireland's first and only monkey sanctuary.

0:54:450:54:48

He takes in primates from around the world,

0:54:500:54:53

most of which have been used in laboratory experiments.

0:54:530:54:56

-Here you go. Here you go.

-Give Sam one.

0:55:040:55:06

Here you go, Sam.

0:55:060:55:07

The monkeys live on islands Willie's carved out of acres of bogland.

0:55:120:55:16

-I let them go past so they can relax.

-There are monkeys everywhere!

0:55:170:55:20

He's an old-timer, you know?

0:55:200:55:22

Charlie's still on the crabstick.

0:55:220:55:24

He took me for a proper introduction with Charlie.

0:55:240:55:27

-So we're landing on the island?

-Yeah.

-Excellent.

0:55:270:55:30

This is Charlie's and Sam's island.

0:55:300:55:32

There we go. Look at this. Aren't they wonderful?

0:55:320:55:36

How is that after 15 years in a cage in the laboratory?

0:55:360:55:40

The transformation.

0:55:400:55:42

They screamed for six months when they first came, with madness, you know?

0:55:420:55:46

So they were completely institutionalised?

0:55:460:55:48

And controlled, down to the very grape, the very peanut.

0:55:480:55:52

-You set them free?

-Yeah.

0:55:520:55:54

How many monkeys have you got?

0:55:570:55:59

There's 25 at the moment. I keep getting offered more monkeys.

0:55:590:56:03

You'd take more if you could?

0:56:030:56:05

Yeah, absolutely. I was offered 300 the other day, you know?

0:56:050:56:08

What happens to most primates,

0:56:080:56:11

most monkeys who are used

0:56:110:56:14

in laboratories and research centres when their time is up?

0:56:140:56:19

I'd say most of them are euthanized.

0:56:190:56:22

-That's the way it goes.

-They're put down.

0:56:220:56:24

Yeah, yeah. Sadly, that's it.

0:56:240:56:26

Tens of thousands of primates are still being

0:56:270:56:29

used in laboratories around the world at any one time.

0:56:290:56:32

It's an enormous moral issue.

0:56:320:56:35

Many are subjected to horrific experiments,

0:56:350:56:37

often for our medical benefit.

0:56:370:56:39

-Hey, you can't have two.

-Give him another one.

-Yeah?

0:56:390:56:43

Oh, you can. All right.

0:56:430:56:44

No, you can't fit three in there.

0:56:450:56:47

Tell us how you keep the place going.

0:56:500:56:52

My old age pension. That's it.

0:56:520:56:55

-Are you serious?

-Yeah.

0:56:560:56:58

That and donations?

0:56:580:57:00

Well, on food, yeah. We don't get any financial support.

0:57:010:57:05

-At all?

-No, no.

0:57:050:57:06

-Willie, I hope that you don't think that I'm exaggerating...

-No.

0:57:080:57:10

-..but this is the most extraordinary place I've been to in Ireland.

-Fair play to you.

0:57:100:57:14

What you have done here is really inspiringly amazing.

0:57:140:57:18

Well, the monkeys tell me that every day.

0:57:180:57:20

A monkey sanctuary is the last thing

0:57:230:57:25

I expected to find on my travels around Ireland.

0:57:250:57:28

Jesus, I'll need a pint after all this!

0:57:290:57:32

He might be unconventional,

0:57:320:57:34

but the thing about Willie is that he just really cares

0:57:340:57:36

and in that, surely, there's a lesson for us all.

0:57:360:57:39

It's quite a blustery day, but beautiful.

0:57:410:57:44

I'm getting to the end of my journey around Ireland now.

0:57:440:57:47

But look at that view!

0:57:520:57:54

So, just over there is Rosslare.

0:57:560:57:58

That's where I started my journey around Ireland,

0:57:580:58:01

but this is where I finish.

0:58:010:58:03

I have loved Ireland and I have loved the Irish.

0:58:030:58:07

Being up in the north, of course, felt just like being at home,

0:58:070:58:10

but - shh, don't tell them - here in the south

0:58:100:58:13

feels pretty familiar as well.

0:58:130:58:15

History may have divided us,

0:58:150:58:18

but we're really pretty similar.

0:58:180:58:20

The Irish are a wonderful bunch and this is a beautiful island.

0:58:200:58:24

With the Open University, you can further explore Ireland's

0:58:290:58:32

rich history and culture.

0:58:320:58:34

To find out more, go to our website

0:58:340:58:36

and follow the links to the Open University.

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