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I was in my office at work... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
..and I got a call, from an international number. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
I always answer... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
For the last three years, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
when it was an international call, I would answer it. And, uh... | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
it was a reporter in Dublin... | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
..wanted a reaction to the story. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
I said, reaction for what? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:28 | |
And they were really caught back by that question, obviously. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
I said, I'll call you back in five minutes. And so then I went online. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
I saw the picture. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
It's not the way you want to find out. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
Name the sports newspaper that hit US newsstands in 1990. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
-BLEEP -James? -The National? | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
-It was. -APPLAUSE | 0:01:21 | 0:01:22 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, please help me welcome Mr James Foley. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
Thanks for that generous, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
overly generous... LAUGHTER | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
..introduction. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:55 | |
I'm definitely not a hero, or noble, or anything. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
I'm just... | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
trying to do my work. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
And...got into a little bit of trouble. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
I arrived in Benghazi, mid-March. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
And the night I arrived, I heard nothing but bombs and gunfire. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
I wondered, what's going on? | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
Another journalist said, the bombs, that is Gelatina, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
that's how they fish. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:02:26 | 0:02:27 | |
Blow the fish up! | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
And the gunfire, no, that's celebratory gunfire. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
HEAVY MACHINE GUN FIRE | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
I think in some ways Libya WAS a turning point for Jim. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
You know, I was starting to see his trying to figure out where | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
he belonged in the world. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:47 | |
And he wanted to write, and he loved people, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
and liked to interact, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
tell people's stories. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
So when Jim decided he wanted to go into journalism from teaching, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
at first we thought, that would be good, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
maybe that'll be a better fit, Jim. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
But when he decided to do conflict journalism... | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:03:05 | 0:03:06 | |
..you know, that was a whole different deal. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
He didn't exactly tell us. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:03:11 | 0:03:12 | |
He graduated from Medill, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
and we said, Jim, what are you going to do? | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
And he said, well, I'm... I'm working on it. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
He came back to my house, and he told me. He was like... | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
"Hey, John, I'm thinking about going to Libya." | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
Jim, that's a horrible idea. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
Absolutely a horrible idea. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
If you go over there... | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
..no-one's coming for you. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
Why would you put your life in danger? | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
We're dropping bombs over there. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
And God forbid, if you go over there, and... | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
-HE CHUCKLES -..we accidentally kill you! | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
I mean...why? | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
Why? | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Libya was very exciting as a journalist because you had this | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
chance to talk directly to people, to see exactly what was going on. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
But it was also extremely dangerous. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
I was actually talking to one of my buddies, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
boasting about my brother, Jim, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
and how he is this journalist | 0:04:19 | 0:04:20 | |
and is like super crazy, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
but like badass at the same time. You know? | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
I was like, yeah, my brother's a badass. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
You know, he's crazy, he's awesome. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
I also was very naive myself, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:29 | |
I didn't know exactly what that would mean, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
I didn't know he was actually | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
going to be immersed | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
in actual, like, crossfire. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
There's snipers in this building... | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
EXPLOSIONS | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
We have decided to go in. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
It's heavy fighting. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
This is Jim Foley, reporting from downtown Benghazi, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
Revolutionary Square, Global Post. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
Jim was there at the early stage of this movement | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
of there being more freelancers | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
in conflict areas. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
The world has changed so much in terms of digital publishing, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
and newspapers started to eliminate things | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
that they didn't see as essential. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
International coverage dwindled down to very little. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
So we saw an opportunity to fill that void, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
and we needed to work with freelancers. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Freelancers decide to work together just on the basis of | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
this initial quick-read chemistry. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
I saw this new guy, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
who I hadn't met before, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
he looked friendly enough, so I said, hey, what's up? | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
He said, oh, not much, going to the front line. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
And he'd heard a lot about Libya, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
and the fact that it was very cheap to work, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
rebels and protesters were eager to show us their side of the story, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
you know, they driving us all over for free, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
they were translating for us for free. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
I'd seen Jim talking to a few other journalists, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
and he was just really friendly with everybody. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
It was unusual, in a place like that. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
There's still an edge of competitiveness in that environment | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
whereas Jim, was just, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
like, yeah, whatever. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
He gave off a really good first impression. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
And, you know, it helps that he's like a super good-looking guy, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
and I was just, who is this guy?! | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
-Who are you?! -LAUGHTER | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
HE GROANS | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
Jim had a high tolerance for danger. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
Shit! | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
I mean, sure, he was drawn to that. All of us are, in a way. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
The fact that he stayed so calm made it easy to feel calm | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
in that situation. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
But of course, sometimes I was just like, well, that's crazy, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
I'm not going there with you! | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
It was one of those mornings | 0:07:03 | 0:07:04 | |
where we decided we were going to get out there early, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
we wanted to get a fresh look at the front lines. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
It was myself, Clare Gillis, Manu Brabo and Anton Hammerl, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
a South African photojournalist. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
This was something common that some reporters did, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
freelancers like myself that didn't have big budgets. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
We jump in with the rebels. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
And it was at your own risk if you wanted to go further or not. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
Got to the point where we saw another group of rebels saying, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
Gaddafi forces, 300 metres away. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
And myself, looking at Clare, like, pfft, that's impossible. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
And I remember Anton turning to me and saying, hey, this isn't safe. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
But we didn't turn around. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
And we said, well, let's get off the road, anyways. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Well, that was the exact wrong thing to do. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Two heavily armed Gaddafi pick-up trucks came over that rise, firing. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
MACHINE GUNS ROARING | 0:07:59 | 0:08:00 | |
I remember so clearly the sound of it, the volume of it, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
the sound of something eating metal. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
And I remember hoping against hope | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
that there would be some kind of out out of this, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
there would be some kind of trap door...in time. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
I crawled back to the sand dune, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
Anton was at the other sand dune in front of me. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
I heard him call for help. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:28 | |
It appeared he was cut across the midsection with AK fire, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
and it was a serious amount of blood. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
He had already lost consciousness, and probably already died. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
A group of young soldiers approached me, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
and we were thrown in the back of a truck. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
I remember getting photographed with a cellphone. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
And thinking, this is where they find all these photographs | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
that are evidence of war crimes someday. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
And realising, this is me now. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
I was with my mother. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
We were out to lunch, and I received a phone call. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
And... | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
that's how we first heard, you know? | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
I think I was in denial about how dangerous this really was, Brian. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
I was furious. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
Just furious. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
Scared for him. Furious. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Hate to revisit, but just, like, I told you, Jim! | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
I think we all went through the stages of total shock, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
you know, and then... | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
just... | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
what are we going to do? | 0:09:44 | 0:09:45 | |
And then anger... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
After all, we're family, you know? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
You're so humble, you lost everything. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
Your freedom. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:57 | |
Your control. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
Your ability to talk to anybody, and tell anybody you're OK. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
Thinking one minute, oh, yeah, I'm a foreign correspondent! | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
And the next minute, somebody who you respect, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
killed, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
and you have nothing. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
Jim was concerned that his own competitiveness | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
with Manu, with Anton, with himself, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
his own sort of macho aggressiveness, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
had driven him to make decisions that were not the best decisions. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
Every day I have to deal with the fact that | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
Anton is not going to ever see his three kids any more. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
And I was part of that decision-making process... | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
..that took him away, that took him away from his kids and his wife. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
And I had a lot of time to play over those moments, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
especially that one day when we were captured. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
I tried to question myself. What are you reporting on? | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
What is this all about? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:12 | |
It was quickly apparent that this was about | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
being what you think is an authentic conflict correspondent, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
seeing the front line, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
and it not being enough to just see it from a distance, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
but to push it to the next level. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
You were basically waiting to get shelled, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
and the question is...why? | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
You know... why are you doing this? | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
It's a nightmare, each day becomes harder, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
you know, with the lacking information. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
We know he's in Tripoli, we believe he's in a detention centre, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
we really don't know much more beyond that. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
We organised this huge group of Jimmy's friends, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
we called them FOJs, Friends Of Jim. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
We had a lot of outside help, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
but Michael was sort of the CEO of the group. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
His statement was, you know, there are no measurables | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
other than getting Jim home. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:00 | |
Our biggest fear is that it becomes yesterday's story, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
and people forget about it. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
We love Jim and we miss him. We want him home. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
After successful diplomatic negotiations, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
two American journalists and a Spanish journalist | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
are finally going home | 0:12:16 | 0:12:17 | |
after being kidnapped and detained by the Libyan government forces | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
for 44 days. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
-KATIE: -All the family and friends were all together, waiting for them. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
And all of a sudden, we see these blue lights just rushing at us. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
SIREN APPROACHING | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
We're like, oh, my God, this is Jim, he's, like, actually here. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
I don't know, it was like a movie. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
He was just so happy to see everybody! | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
You have a close call. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
That's pure luck that you didn't get killed, there. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
It is not worth seeing your mother, father bawling, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
and worrying about your grandmother dying, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
because you're in prison, it's not worth these things. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
And outside, in my parents' home, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
in, you know, a comfortable house in New Hampshire, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
I sort of had to start processing. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
I was horrified to learn how much my friends and family had done | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
to help me. I was inspired and I was horrified. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
It was a weird feeling of like going to your own funeral, you know? | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
There's no going back from something like this. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
Some of the things I'll never be able to change, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
but I wish, I wish that I could. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
What are we going to do? | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
That's Jim's blazer from when he spoke at Marquette. This brown one. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
We'll just have to go through. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Yeah, so Jim lived with us for what, three months? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
Summer, summer after he was released from Libya. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
That was his bed, right there. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:12 | |
He would always... | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
crash out there. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
It was cool having Jim here, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:17 | |
especially after him | 0:14:17 | 0:14:18 | |
having been gone in Libya, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
because... | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
I think when he came back... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:22 | |
You know, like, you just wanted to touch him a lot, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
because, I don't know, for me, it was like, poke him, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
just make sure he's real, and it was almost... | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
-You're just more appreciative of him. -Right. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
And especially with the kids, you know, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:34 | |
getting to have him here, because he was always on the go. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
BURBLING AND LAUGHING | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
When Jim came back from Libya, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
I offered him a full-time job, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
here, as an editor... | 0:14:48 | 0:14:49 | |
..while he sorted out what he would do next, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
and he sat right outside my office. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
He was grateful to have the job, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
but...working in an office was clearly not what he... | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
what he liked the most. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
He was quiet. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:10 | |
I don't want to say he was withdrawn, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
but he was quiet. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
And I just remember, like, Brad, my fiance, and Jim | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
were in the basement, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
and Brad doesn't even remember a time when Jim was sleeping. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
You know, after the family had kind of settled down, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
Jim just went right to business, right to work. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
We had found him a very good psychologist to talk to. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
But he seemed so well, if you will... | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
that we didn't push it. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
But he was so restless here at home, he didn't want to be at home. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Feeling like you survived something, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
there's a strange sort of force that you are drawn back to. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
I think that's the absolute reality. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
I believe that front line journalism is important. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Without these photos and videos and first-hand experience, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
we can't really...tell the world | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
how bad it might be. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
SHE SINGS SWEETLY | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
HUGE BOOM | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
CLATTERING OF DEBRIS | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
SILENCE | 0:16:29 | 0:16:30 | |
James Foley joins us now live | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
from inside northern Syria, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
with more on what he saw. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
Tell us more about what you were able to witness. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Yes, thank you. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
You've heard about indiscriminate shelling, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
but to see those bodies left over from a direct mortar hit | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
was really shocking. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:50 | |
It seemed like he started thinking about going to Syria | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
and by the time he mentioned it, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
it was like he'd already kind of made up his mind. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
And he said he was going with John Cantlie, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
who's another colleague, British photojournalist, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
that we'd all met in Libya the year before. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
What's your name? | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
-Jim. -John. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
Jim and John! | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
Johnny! You say, I love you! You say. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
I don't know, I really didn't... REALLY get into it with Jim. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:27 | |
I think I made it too easy for him. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
I mean... | 0:17:29 | 0:17:30 | |
You know, it was something he wanted to do. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
And so we were trying to be supportive | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
about his decision to do that. You know? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
The last conversation I ever had with Jim, I said to him, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
like, Jim, man, why do you keep going back into Syria? | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
Like, I mean, what's it like? | 0:17:45 | 0:17:46 | |
And he's like, it's crazy, it's crazy. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
I'm like, well, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:49 | |
is it more dangerous than Libya? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
He was, like, yeah it's more dangerous than Libya! | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
I'm like, you got captured in Libya! | 0:17:53 | 0:17:54 | |
You couldn't talk him out of it. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:57 | |
Jim chose one story in particular about this hospital, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
the Dar Al Shifa hospital in Aleppo. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
It was actually Jim's idea to spend a week in that hospital | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
documenting what the doctors and the staff there | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
were doing on a daily basis. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
We become the intimate chroniclers of this conflict, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
we don't have bureaus to go back to, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
you're there and every moment of it, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
you share with the locals. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:31 | |
And I think there was just this enormous guilt | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
that rode on Jim's back | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
that made him feel so compelled to do much more than | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
just...record video and file it. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
There were times where he was offering up video for free. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
And I would chastise him for it, I'd be like, what are you doing? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
He was, like, nah, you know, whatever, it's fine, it's all good, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
I just want to make sure the video gets out there. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
There was one day in August | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
when a Syrian activist was taking us around this neighbourhood | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
called Bustan Al Kasa. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
SHOUTING | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
And this fighter jet just started circling above | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
and just swooped right down, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
and hit a building that was a couple of hundred feet from us. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
MACHINE GUNS ROAR | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
DULL BOOM | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
We started seeing the civilians coming out... | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
SHOUTING | 0:19:30 | 0:19:31 | |
..and just clutching nothing, really, just, you know, ashen faces. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
There was rubble everywhere. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
It was chaos. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:38 | |
HE SHOUTS PLAINTIVELY | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
And the plane came round again, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:43 | |
dropped another bomb, really close by, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
and actually we were right across the building. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
And we looked up and we could see the rubble start coming down. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
That bomb had hit a family...of...seven. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
Who was killed? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
Who? | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
It was horrific in the scale of it, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
but also, just... | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
I think nothing prepares you for seeing kids being killed and maimed | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
in that way. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
And I know that Jim really loves kids, so, you know, we were both... | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
We didn't say anything, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
until we got to the field hospital where they were bringing the bodies, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
and we were both in this mode of... | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
just needing to get the pictures out. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
I think when we were finished that night, though, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
we kind of like sat down, and lit a cigarette, and... | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
..we just started talking about it. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
Really there wasn't very much to say, though. You know, like... | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
What is there to talk about when you witness something like that? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
So we just sort of sat in silence. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:54 | |
The shine was starting to come off, in a way. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
There was a period of time where journalists | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
were welcomed with open arms, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
because they had seen what had happened in Libya, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
and when that didn't come about, after a year, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
after a year and a half, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
after two years... | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
it's just like, OK, what are you guys doing? | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
I mean, I had a doctor tell me at the hospital, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
he was like, look, you guys are in and out of here since one year | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
and it's the same exact thing, except it's worse. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
I don't want to talk to you! | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
If the populace on the ground whose side you're documenting | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
is...getting more uneasy with you, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
or less willing to help... | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
You're very dependent on | 0:21:41 | 0:21:42 | |
the goodwill of the people you're around. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
They warned journalists, they were like, Al-Qaeda's coming, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
maybe even worse than Al-Qaeda's coming, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
and nobody is going to help us against the Assad regime, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
except for...these guys. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
So...it was all there. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:25 | |
One of the main things I noticed the last time when he came out, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
he looked really hollow, and he was quite... | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
quite silent. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
You know, he had that amazing room-brightening smile, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
even if he had seen terrible things, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
as one does. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:45 | |
It was disheartening to see. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
I guess if I had any regrets, Brian, that I... | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
regret that I found it difficult to communicate with Jim. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
I don't know if it's a male thing, you know, whatever it is, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
but I just wish I was able to share more of who I was with Jimmy, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
and get him to share who he was with me, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
which might have been just as difficult. You know? | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
He was home, end of October, right before he went back to Syria, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
that last time. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:15 | |
And he was going... | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
I remember, he was leaving here, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:18 | |
and he was going to New York to get a helmet from somebody. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Which was good, we were like... | 0:23:21 | 0:23:22 | |
Getting safety equipment, we like this. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
Yeah, I remember, we left him, we dropped him off at a train station. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
And, you know, we were going to see him in December, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
-he was supposed to come... -That's right, you have a good memory. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
He was supposed to come home mid-December. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
And, you know, we were like, be safe! You know? See you soon. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
-And...unfortunately, that didn't... -Yep. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
Yep. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:43 | |
-SHE SNIFFS -Sorry. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
It's OK. I think that's enough. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
CRUNCHING OF FOOTSTEPS | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
-NICOLE: -We'd spent the beginning of November in Aleppo again, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
with Jim, John Cantlie, and Mustapha, our translator, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
who's become a friend of ours. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
I had had some issues with my camera that week. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
So...I was like, Jim, I've got to go back to Istanbul. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
I'll see you guys in a week. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
You know, the moment when I said bye to Jim, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
I had this feeling of reluctance to leave. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
I think in a way, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:34 | |
it maybe did upset the balance that he and I had shared for so long. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
There are superstitions when you're in a war zone. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
There was like this one thing that he and I shared, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
which was our lucky lighter. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
It's very common in the Middle East, it's, like, the evil eye, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
to ward off evil spirits, you know? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
We used it for everything, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
and for some reason it never ran out of lighter fluid. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
It's just like this stupid idea, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
you put your hopes into one object, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
to make it feel safe. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
I think about it a lot, afterwards, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
that he didn't have it with him. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
Maybe if I just gave him the lucky lighter | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
everything would have turned out OK, I don't know. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
That day, I was in Reyhanli, which is the border town, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
and I would have seen him at about five. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
So I checked in, and I told Jim, I'm like, hey, you know, I'm here. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
So text me when you get in. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
You know, five o'clock rolls by, and I start to worry. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
Seven o'clock, eight o'clock rolls around, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
and I'm like, something is really wrong. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
So I called Mustapha, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
and the first thing he said to me was, "Nicole, I'm so sorry." | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
"I didn't... I couldn't do anything." | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
I was like, what are you talking about? What happened? | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
He was like, "You know, we were coming. We were in the taxi. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
"We were coming to Turkey to meet you, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
"and this van with these four guys with guns, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
"they stopped us on the road. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
"And they told us to get out, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
"and they were pointing their guns at us and screaming. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
"And the gunmen made Mustapha tie up their hands, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
"and they put John and Jim into the back of their van." | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
So I hung up, and I just started crying. I was like... | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
I didn't know if I was going to see Jim again. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
And that was the first thought that came to my head. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
-JOHN SENIOR: -It's, like, almost surreal. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
This is a bad dream. It's not... | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
It's not really happening, you know. It's not happening. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
This can't be. This can't happen. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
We can't do this again. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:50 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:26:53 | 0:26:54 | |
Yeah, it was... | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
You know, and I dove in just like before, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
like, OK, it's going to be 45 to 100 days of hell, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
and then we'll have him back. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:03 | |
In a matter of a week you could tell | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
it was very different. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:07 | |
A lot of misinformation, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
as opposed to last time in Libya. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
After a week went by, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
we knew where he was, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:13 | |
who to deal with, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:14 | |
so we just concentrated on the routes to get to one person. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
Here was a mystery right out of a crime show or something, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
where you're trying to piece together bits of information. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
For the next three weeks, there was just dead ends | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
and false information, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
and rumours, and people being scared of talking | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
because they had a suspicion of who, maybe, was responsible, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
and they didn't want to get entangled in it. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
-DIANE: -Phil Balboni offered to stand up a security team | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
to try to find Jim, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
so all these people were trying so hard to get in place, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
but it was a very, very chaotic, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
confusing time. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:50 | |
You're on eggshells. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:54 | |
You're just waiting to hear. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
It's exhausting. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
And I know Jim felt guilty for that, | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
and I'm not trying to make him feel more guilty. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
But it's just, it's just the toll that's taken by the families. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
BRIAN, DIRECTOR: What were the hurdles | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
getting the White House and FBI involved? | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
-MICHAEL: -It was very tough to get action. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
And I understand that, you know, the world's a big place. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
So I actually felt guilty sometimes, trying not to ask too much of them. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:22 | |
You know, Jim made this decision, but, you know, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
just give it your best attention, and...we'll trust you. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
That's kind of where it started, the relationship. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
And then I met the first agent that came over... | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
..and...just a kid, out of school. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
And his first question to me was, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:39 | |
had I asked the regime for assistance? | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
Are you fucking kidding me? | 0:28:42 | 0:28:43 | |
Have I called the regime and ask them for assistance? | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
No, I hadn't thought of that, thank you, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
thank you very much for that tip. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
They told us... They advised us to be quiet, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
because, hopefully, you know, they could find him and get him out, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
and such. So we didn't say anything. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
So we went through Christmas and all that, you know, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
not telling anyone but our closest family that Jim was missing. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
In some ways...it was better, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
because I didn't have to explain it. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:11 | |
Cos at times it could feel like... | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
accusatory, like, "Well, he WAS in Syria." | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
That's not fair. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:18 | |
You don't do that with police, or firemen, or someone like that, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
who do dangerous jobs. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:24 | |
You don't say, well, you were in a fire, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
what did you think would happen? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:27 | |
My friend doesn't need to explain why he's a journalist. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
-MC: -4...3...2... | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
Come the New Year, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
I couldn't stand it. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
I was frantic. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:36 | |
-MC: -Happy New Year! | 0:29:36 | 0:29:37 | |
So WE chose to go public. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
I appeal to the people who have Jim to give us some information | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
in terms of his welfare, his health. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
It breaks my heart that | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
the persons who have captured him | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
don't understand his goodness. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
My personal feeling is that silence helps two people. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
One is the government. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:00 | |
It doesn't push them to do more, sooner. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
And the captors, it allows them to do whatever they want. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
It's difficult now, with all the talk about the Islamic State, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
they've become so famous, or infamous, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
but the Islamic State, Isis, Isil, was on nobody's radar at the time. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
With a very high degree of confidence, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
we now believe that Jim was abducted by | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
a pro-government militia group, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
and was subsequently turned over to Syrian government forces. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
This is the first time we've really heard anything like this, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
so we have hope, as John says. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
You know? | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
Well, it turned out we were dead wrong about that. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
-MICHAEL: -All the information upfront | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
was just a bunch of BS. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:47 | |
No-one knew what the heck they were | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
talking about, cos we had no access. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
That whole year, I don't care what anyone says, all the efforts, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
all the leads, all this and that... | 0:30:54 | 0:30:55 | |
We were in the wrong area of the country. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
You know, and Syria's about the size of New England, maybe, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
a little smaller. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:03 | |
So, here you go, Brian, go in to New England. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
Find Jim. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
I think the moment I'd learned that he'd been kidnapped, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
I was just like, this is going to be a really long process. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
But I'm going to do anything that I can in my power to get him home, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
because... | 0:31:18 | 0:31:19 | |
..because I can't stand the thought of him being in a cell somewhere, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
cold and hungry, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:25 | |
and I can't sit here and not try to look for him. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
My name is Daniel, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:47 | |
and I'm a Danish photojournalist. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
I started as a gymnast... | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
..and while I spent all my time in gyms all around the world | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
during gymnastics, I got bored | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
when I didn't do anything else, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:01 | |
and I started to take pictures. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
I only planned to be inside Syria for two days. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
I had one day of work, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
when I walked around this small, quiet town. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
Yeah, it was spring. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:21 | |
So the weather started to get better, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
and people seemed happy and relaxed. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
And we were told to go and speak to some guys in the area. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
Very calmly, we were sitting on sofas, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
they were offering tea. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:40 | |
Everything was calm and quiet, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
even though I knew that something was...strange. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
Something was wrong. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:48 | |
And then they just asked me to stand up. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
And they took off my glasses, and they're just, don't worry, Dan, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
this is just a procedure. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:57 | |
That was how everything began. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:01 | |
So, you know, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:02 | |
a quiet Sunday, beautiful spring morning, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
became a nightmare for me. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
The longer you are hostage, the easier it becomes in some way. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
The better you get at it. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
I had, I think, like, one, one and a half months by myself. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
And after, I believe, two and a half months, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
I was put together with two other Westerners, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
and then we were put together, four. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
I think we were five together, and then seven together, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
and then came another one, eight. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:38 | |
Then it just started to evolve. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
-DIDIER: -We were in that cell, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:53 | |
British, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:54 | |
Americans, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
French, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:57 | |
Italian, | 0:33:57 | 0:33:58 | |
German, | 0:33:58 | 0:33:59 | |
Danish, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:00 | |
Russian, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:01 | |
Spanish. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:02 | |
We were 19 at one stage. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:03 | |
And one day, we had to sit faces to the wall, so... | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
but I could see, like, under my arms. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
I could see some mattresses was moved in, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
and there came some guys in traditional Syrian clothes. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:55 | |
And then they closed the door again, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
boom, the big metal door. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
And I looked up, and there was James and John Cantlie. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
And everybody was like, yay, welcome, welcome, welcome! | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
You know, it's two new friends. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
You know, I created this picture in my head | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
of this big, like, war journalist. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
And so I could only get disappointed in a way when he... | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
I remember him being like... Er... | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
"What's happening?" | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
That was basically the first time I met him. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
But it was really different to be put together with James and John, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
because they've been together in prison for almost a year, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
when I first saw them. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
They was the most experienced of us, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
and I started from the beginning, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
and I think the whole group started to lean a little bit against them. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
James was very silent, most of the time. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
He was very good at listening. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
He managed to make the room bigger, in a way, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
by being small himself. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
And that is a very, very difficult thing to be. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
And you really want to scream in the head of everybody, like, fuck off! | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
I remember, one time, James was asked to stand up the whole night... | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
..in the middle of the room. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
Late at night, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
there was no light at all. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:29 | |
So we was just sitting there in complete darkness. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
And that time really, really, really went slowly. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
What we did, James and I, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:39 | |
we started to develop a way of... | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
passing through these hours of darkness, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
by giving each other, like, massages. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
And it sounds maybe a little bit, you know... | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
..strange, or gay, or whatever, but... | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
But there was something... there was something nice about it. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
And James asked, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:04 | |
"Can you teach me how to give, like, a real nice massage, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
"so when I get out and I meet a woman, I can really impress her?" | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
So we started having these kind of lessons, you know? | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
Our body had witnessed a lot of...trauma, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
and the fact that somebody is actually touching you, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
and it's a NICE feeling, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
for me it was a nice way to feel a little bit human again. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
And James, he never learned how to give a proper massage. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
It was awful every time, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
so he really... | 0:41:35 | 0:41:36 | |
he really managed to get a good deal out of that one. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
I remember one time, we were given a lot of dates to eat. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
And at some point, we were moved, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
and you just don't leave food behind or destroy it or whatever. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:48 | |
But sometimes, you have to do it because there's nowhere to put it. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Then James just took out his pants, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
and he took out like two kilos of dates! | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
You know, "Don't worry, guys!" | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
He could have taken all the food by himself, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
later that night or whatever, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
but he always took the things | 0:43:23 | 0:43:24 | |
so he could share it around, or give it to the people who didn't have it. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
In the beginning of James and John's captivity, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
they were really starved. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:44 | |
They didn't like to talk about it, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
they didn't find it very interesting to talk about. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
But one thing I know was that... | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
..that they really, really, really had a difficult time. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
But they managed to get back on track, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
to gain strength again. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
It was very interesting to see what happened between James and John, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
because they've been together for almost a year when I first saw them, | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
that meant that they have spoken about | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
every single thing there is to talk about. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
So I was basically the one starting to listen to | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
all of James' story again. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
There was a period of time in the prison | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
where we was not interrupted by the guards very often. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
And that meant that we could get a routine, | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
so we worked out, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
we did trivias. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:40 | |
We had lectures and stuff like this. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
We managed after, I don't know, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:44 | |
three weeks, one month or so, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
to make this Risk game. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
We had a small bucket that we received some yoghurt in, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
and we cut out a piece of cardboard and we made three lines, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
and we put it in the bottom of the bucket. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:19 | |
And then you should hold up a date seed and let it go. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
Plop. Let it fall down. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
And whatever it landed on, it would be that number. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
So that was our dice for the game. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
You know, take, like, ten journalists, war. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
Put them into one room and make them play the game | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
about taking control over the world, you know? | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
It's basically like putting gasoline to a bonfire. | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
We started to have our own small world. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
That made everything much easier to survive, in a way. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
It was much easier to understand. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
We didn't have to think about economy, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
we didn't have to think about bank loans, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
or the prices of gas at the moment. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
You adapt into the situation. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
And then suddenly, this whole thing becomes a part of your life. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
And this is your life. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:58 | |
When you look back on it, that's what I remember, our small society, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:04 | |
where we really started to know each other. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
You know who made this fart, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
you can smell, this is the fart of you. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
I remember James' 40-year-old birthday. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
It was late at night, it was completely dark. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
James just... "Oh." | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
"By the way...I turned 40 today." | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
I was just, like, what?! | 0:48:45 | 0:48:46 | |
So we sang a song for him, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
and I remember that we said we hope it will be a much better birthday | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
next year. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:53 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
CHATTERING AND LAUGHTER | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
Right here! | 0:49:30 | 0:49:31 | |
One, two and three. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
Come on, smile! Please! | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
Nine, good. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:36 | |
We've been through a lot together. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
Michael has co-signed loans for me. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
He's lent me his professional clothes. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:49:45 | 0:49:46 | |
His car. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:47 | |
His dental plan. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:48 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
I think sometimes we struggle to understand each other, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
and where exactly we're coming from, and why we do the things we do. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
Michael has entirely too much common sense. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
CHUCKLING | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
And sometimes I have entirely too little common sense. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
We've somehow grown closer, despite the differences. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
And it's... | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
I guess it's about being brothers. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
'I'd say the first 100, 150 days, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
'I was all in. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
'But I definitely retracted | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
'pretty strongly after that.' | 0:50:20 | 0:50:21 | |
I have a lot of regrets about not... | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
not continuing full steam. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:26 | |
I don't know if it was because I was trying to protect myself, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
or I was just trying to protect my family and, you know, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
give the kids the attention I have. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
You know, I could...argue that that's what Jim would prefer and... | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
I don't know, there's all kinds of...excuses or reasons, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
but it's something I do feel terrible about. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
But then I got pulled right back into it very strongly | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
and very immediately when the first e-mail came to me. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
"Hello. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:55 | |
"We have James and want to negotiate for him. He is safe. | 0:50:55 | 0:51:00 | |
"He's our friend, and we do not want to hurt him. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
"If you want cooperation, we have rules. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
"You cannot go to the media ever about this. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
"If you do, we will not negotiate. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
"We want money fast!" | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
We shared everything we have with everybody. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
You know, FBI knew, security team knew, everyone knew. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:16 | |
They said just keep them talking and all that. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
"They're just beginning the negotiations, we've got time, | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
"just keep at it." | 0:51:22 | 0:51:23 | |
So I, after coordinating with some officials, replied to them. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
"Please provide us with proof that you have Jim, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
"and we will be happy to work things out with you." | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
We still didn't know who was holding him. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
It was obvious that they were people against the Assad regime. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
But they didn't identify themselves any more than that at all. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
They were very shrewd. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
And their e-mails, unfortunately, were totally undetectable. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
About a week goes by, and they responded. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
"James Wright Foley is being detained by us. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
"At this stage, no video or picture evidence of his wellbeing | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
"will be provided until we see tangible progress | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
"in your efforts to negotiate. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
"However, you will be allowed to ask | 0:52:03 | 0:52:04 | |
"three questions of a personal nature | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
"that nobody except James will know the answers to. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
"Our primary demand is that you use your influence to pressure | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
"your government to release our Muslim prisoners, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
"who they have imprisoned whether innocent | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
"or, 'guilty' according to 'your laws'. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
"If this fails to bear any fruits, | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
"then our secondary demand is the sum of 100 million euros." | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
FBI seemed to have their hands tied, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
because all they were able to do was OK our family e-mails. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:36 | |
And...they really were unable to help us much with strategy. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:41 | |
They just told us to be yourselves, be family. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
Tell them the truth is we can't release any prisoners. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
We certainly don't have 100 million euro. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
Michael came up with some questions I didn't know the answers to. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
But we sent those back to the captors. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
Then there was some brief comment. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
"It says, James was detained whilst operating as a 'journalist'". | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
HE READS: | 0:53:06 | 0:53:07 | |
But I was never in the air force. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:19 | |
That was John. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
My brother Jim... | 0:53:25 | 0:53:26 | |
..said that Mike was the air force officer. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
It may have been a typo, it may not have been, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
but I believe it was, you know, my big brother... | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
trying to protect me. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:39 | |
You know, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:42 | |
you know you love your brothers, but... | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
HE SWALLOWS TEARS | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
But for him to put...be willing to put his life on the line, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
or his body on the line... | 0:53:53 | 0:53:54 | |
-SHAKY: -..for my protection, is significant. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
I mean, it's...it's... | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
I think they came in with the proof of life for John. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
And then everybody else got their proof of lifes. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
Everybody came in like, yes! | 0:54:44 | 0:54:45 | |
And were happy, and... | 0:54:45 | 0:54:46 | |
But James didn't get his proof of life. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:49 | |
Until one day that they came in and they asked James to follow. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
And when he came back, you know, | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
he came with his arms over his head and... | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
..he said that this was the best day of his life. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
And then him and John, they... | 0:55:05 | 0:55:06 | |
they hugged each other and they were dancing around | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
like they just won the big lottery. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
-DIANE: -That was early December of 2013. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
All the answers came back right on. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
We knew they had Jim. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:20 | |
But by the end of December, they e-mailed us back and said, | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
this is the last e-mail you'll get from us. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
And cut off communication. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
I mean, the first year, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:32 | |
we just trusted that the government would have this in hand, | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
and that despite our lack of information, et cetera, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
they had been through this before and they knew what to do. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
And, you know, we were in good hands. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
At the end of that year, we realised that nothing was being done, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
and that... | 0:55:46 | 0:55:47 | |
we were really going to have to do something on our own. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
Diane was great about meeting with ambassadors in Washington | 0:56:00 | 0:56:04 | |
from other countries that might have some influence. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
It turned out that no-one had any influence, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
because the group that had him didn't listen to anybody. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
But we didn't know that. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:17 | |
It's kind of come as a surprise to a lot of us, this group, Isis, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
a group that we hadn't really heard much about. Who exactly are they? | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
Well, it's a criminal, marauding gang. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
They come out of the original, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:27 | |
very brutal Iraqi terror group. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
They're the worst. They're the worst of the worst. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
-CHUCKLING: -Washington doesn't know how to deal with it. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
How's this family in New England going to figure that out, right?! | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
I mean, you're dealing with... pure evil. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
But a capable and organised group. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
They were very tough towards me also, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
but, no matter what, | 0:58:01 | 0:58:02 | |
they meant freedom for me... | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
because they were the ones negotiating for me. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
But James and John were destroyed by the Beatles in the beginning. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
-PIERRE: -He had this ability to escape the situation, | 0:58:20 | 0:58:25 | |
to enjoy, you know, the sound of children playing outside. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:30 | |
Or enjoy the view of just some sun entering through the window. | 0:58:34 | 0:58:39 | |
James converted in the beginning of his captivity. | 0:59:13 | 0:59:16 | |
And I know that was at the same period as | 0:59:18 | 0:59:22 | |
he was getting really bad treatment. | 0:59:22 | 0:59:25 | |
It gave a good routine. | 0:59:27 | 0:59:28 | |
Normally we have a tradition of going into church every Sunday, | 0:59:29 | 0:59:32 | |
but if you cannot do that, | 0:59:32 | 0:59:34 | |
you need another way of feeling | 0:59:34 | 0:59:36 | |
that you are doing something with your faith. | 0:59:36 | 0:59:38 | |
And you can call it a surviving skills, | 0:59:40 | 0:59:42 | |
you can call it just a way of being interested in another culture. | 0:59:42 | 0:59:48 | |
What James used to say to me was that for him, God is the same. | 0:59:48 | 0:59:53 | |
We had such great Christmases when the kids were little. | 1:00:22 | 1:00:24 | |
Oh! Just wonderful, wonderful Christmases. | 1:00:24 | 1:00:27 | |
And, you know, as they get older, | 1:00:27 | 1:00:30 | |
and Jim's siblings married, | 1:00:30 | 1:00:32 | |
they weren't always able to be home. | 1:00:32 | 1:00:34 | |
But Jim was always home. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:35 | |
Most of my memories of Jim culminate around the holidays. | 1:00:36 | 1:00:40 | |
You know, they're playing at the video games, the board games, | 1:00:40 | 1:00:43 | |
the ping-pong tournaments. | 1:00:43 | 1:00:45 | |
The anything tournaments! | 1:00:45 | 1:00:47 | |
CHATTERING AND CHUCKLING | 1:00:48 | 1:00:50 | |
And you wake up, you open the gifts and you're like, | 1:00:50 | 1:00:54 | |
"Oh crap, Jim has my name. | 1:00:54 | 1:00:56 | |
"What's he going to give me?!" | 1:00:56 | 1:00:57 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:00:57 | 1:00:59 | |
You know! So... | 1:00:59 | 1:01:01 | |
I shouldn't say that. | 1:01:01 | 1:01:02 | |
It's good times. | 1:01:03 | 1:01:05 | |
And then the last Christmas he was home, | 1:01:06 | 1:01:09 | |
I remember him like rolling on the floor with Michael's son Matty. | 1:01:09 | 1:01:13 | |
He loved that kid. | 1:01:13 | 1:01:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:01:15 | 1:01:17 | |
There's a million Christmas stories, yeah. | 1:01:17 | 1:01:19 | |
You know, it's difficult for us to celebrate Christmas in any way. | 1:01:25 | 1:01:28 | |
And we didn't have any present to give each other. | 1:01:28 | 1:01:31 | |
So we...we decided to sit down in a circle. | 1:01:31 | 1:01:36 | |
And then we had to say something nice to each other. | 1:01:37 | 1:01:40 | |
And I remember that I said to James that, | 1:01:41 | 1:01:43 | |
"James, first time I met you was, you know, in this prison. | 1:01:43 | 1:01:47 | |
"And you looked as confused as if you were just... | 1:01:47 | 1:01:51 | |
"dumped down on the Earth from the Moon or something. | 1:01:51 | 1:01:54 | |
"And you basically destroyed my whole idea | 1:01:54 | 1:01:57 | |
"of this great war journalist, James Wright Foley. | 1:01:57 | 1:02:01 | |
"And then suddenly I find out that you are...very clumsy, | 1:02:01 | 1:02:05 | |
"you're very bad at sports." | 1:02:05 | 1:02:07 | |
"But then again, you..." | 1:02:09 | 1:02:12 | |
"You're the most..." | 1:02:13 | 1:02:14 | |
I think I said to him, "You know, you're the most honest person. | 1:02:14 | 1:02:19 | |
"There is no evil at all to find in you, James. You are pure good." | 1:02:19 | 1:02:25 | |
"Sometimes too good. | 1:02:25 | 1:02:27 | |
"And I'm really happy that I've met you." | 1:02:27 | 1:02:30 | |
That was our Christmas night. | 1:02:34 | 1:02:36 | |
When I went to bed that night, | 1:02:36 | 1:02:38 | |
I really felt that I had the best Christmas night in my life. | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
I mean, this is... | 1:03:40 | 1:03:41 | |
So that's when I started to get more frantic. | 1:04:28 | 1:04:30 | |
I mean, I thought, | 1:04:30 | 1:04:31 | |
there's got to be some way to get the French and the US to talk. | 1:04:31 | 1:04:36 | |
Didier! | 1:04:36 | 1:04:37 | |
This is my husband, John. | 1:04:37 | 1:04:39 | |
They were willing to share all kinds of things about Jim, personally, | 1:04:40 | 1:04:43 | |
how he was, what they did. | 1:04:43 | 1:04:46 | |
So I was starting to get all this hope. | 1:04:46 | 1:04:47 | |
And they have a hostage crisis unit in Paris, | 1:04:47 | 1:04:51 | |
and they were very generous with their time. | 1:04:51 | 1:04:53 | |
So it was so different than what I was experiencing, | 1:04:53 | 1:04:55 | |
so I was just kind of like, jeez, you know? | 1:04:55 | 1:04:58 | |
Jim and the others, other Americans are as important as these guys, | 1:04:58 | 1:05:01 | |
aren't they? | 1:05:01 | 1:05:02 | |
And...it was the last night I was in Paris, | 1:05:04 | 1:05:08 | |
and I got a phone call from John. | 1:05:08 | 1:05:10 | |
And he said "Diane, we've had another e-mail from the captors." | 1:05:11 | 1:05:15 | |
I thought, oh, great! What did they say? | 1:05:15 | 1:05:18 | |
And that's when they threatened to kill Jim. | 1:05:19 | 1:05:21 | |
But me, in my...cluelessness, | 1:05:25 | 1:05:30 | |
I was just excited that they'd reached out to us. | 1:05:30 | 1:05:33 | |
We had raised about 1 million in pledges. | 1:05:34 | 1:05:37 | |
And I was so excited to hear from them. | 1:05:37 | 1:05:39 | |
Cos we thought now we can tell them we have this money, and... | 1:05:39 | 1:05:42 | |
I was just so clueless. | 1:05:42 | 1:05:44 | |
We knew that paying a ransom was illegal. | 1:05:46 | 1:05:49 | |
And we also knew that... | 1:05:49 | 1:05:51 | |
..it wouldn't have stopped us. | 1:05:52 | 1:05:54 | |
The Foleys were prepared to mortgage their house, | 1:05:54 | 1:05:57 | |
and do what needed to be done to make a payment. | 1:05:57 | 1:06:00 | |
I have a lot of evolving thoughts about this whole process, | 1:06:01 | 1:06:05 | |
and what the government didn't do that it should have done. | 1:06:05 | 1:06:10 | |
I mean... | 1:06:11 | 1:06:12 | |
If you just look at the facts, | 1:06:13 | 1:06:15 | |
there are 15 European hostages who are alive, | 1:06:15 | 1:06:19 | |
and with their families and friends and loved ones today. | 1:06:19 | 1:06:22 | |
I wish we'd started raising money sooner. | 1:06:25 | 1:06:28 | |
I wish we'd negotiated, | 1:06:30 | 1:06:31 | |
and I wish it had... turned out differently. | 1:06:31 | 1:06:34 | |
In some sense, I was OK with the fact that he got captured | 1:07:28 | 1:07:30 | |
because I knew that he was... | 1:07:30 | 1:07:32 | |
doing what he wanted to do. | 1:07:32 | 1:07:33 | |
You know, and as a good family member and as a good brother, | 1:07:34 | 1:07:38 | |
I need to understand that. | 1:07:38 | 1:07:39 | |
My mum did a great job in, you know, | 1:07:41 | 1:07:43 | |
keeping the faith, and working as hard as she could, | 1:07:43 | 1:07:46 | |
but...from the get-go, once it happened, | 1:07:46 | 1:07:48 | |
I kind of felt like he was already gone. | 1:07:48 | 1:07:50 | |
So, after a group of the other hostages was released, | 1:07:56 | 1:07:59 | |
the Beatles, they came back the day after. | 1:07:59 | 1:08:03 | |
And they... | 1:08:03 | 1:08:04 | |
They beated the shit out of James and I. | 1:08:07 | 1:08:10 | |
I think it's called a Charlie horse, | 1:08:12 | 1:08:14 | |
when you put your knee into the legs of a person. | 1:08:14 | 1:08:18 | |
And they did that to me and James, | 1:08:19 | 1:08:21 | |
while we had to sit in stress position. | 1:08:21 | 1:08:24 | |
I don't know how many they gave us, but it just continued and it was... | 1:08:24 | 1:08:28 | |
Never tried anything that hurt so much in my entire life. | 1:08:29 | 1:08:32 | |
And then they just left. | 1:08:35 | 1:08:37 | |
And I was just laying there crying, | 1:08:39 | 1:08:41 | |
and I couldn't be in my own body of pure pain. | 1:08:41 | 1:08:44 | |
And James, in the other corner of the room, he... | 1:08:44 | 1:08:47 | |
I knew he got exactly the same treatment as me, | 1:08:48 | 1:08:51 | |
but I couldn't hear it. | 1:08:51 | 1:08:52 | |
He just... | 1:08:53 | 1:08:55 | |
I don't know if he kept it inside, or how he did it, | 1:08:55 | 1:08:59 | |
but only a few minutes after they left, | 1:08:59 | 1:09:01 | |
James, he kind of looked up and asked me if I was OK. | 1:09:01 | 1:09:04 | |
I was like, "Shut up, James." | 1:09:05 | 1:09:07 | |
I remember I said, "Shut up, James," you know? | 1:09:07 | 1:09:10 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 1:09:10 | 1:09:11 | |
Don't ask ME if I'm OK, you know? | 1:09:11 | 1:09:13 | |
Don't worry about me, you know, worry about yourself. | 1:09:15 | 1:09:17 | |
Yeah, we just laid there until the pain started to disappear a bit. | 1:09:19 | 1:09:24 | |
Two or three days after, they came in again. | 1:09:26 | 1:09:28 | |
This time, the Beatles just told us that now, guys, everything changed. | 1:09:29 | 1:09:33 | |
And they took all our food, | 1:09:35 | 1:09:37 | |
our games, most of the blankets. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:39 | |
And they started to use, like, police clubs. | 1:09:42 | 1:09:44 | |
So every time we went to the toilet, we got beatings with the stick. | 1:09:45 | 1:09:48 | |
We were so scared, we lost all hopes. | 1:09:49 | 1:09:53 | |
No matter what came through that door, it was evil. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:56 | |
Those 14 days before I got released was the absolute worst times. | 1:09:57 | 1:10:02 | |
When people started to get released, | 1:10:08 | 1:10:10 | |
we decided to send out letters with the person who was released. | 1:10:10 | 1:10:15 | |
But James, he didn't. | 1:10:16 | 1:10:18 | |
He didn't want to bother any of us. | 1:10:18 | 1:10:20 | |
And I remember one day that... | 1:10:20 | 1:10:22 | |
..I saw that John and James had been talking for some times | 1:10:23 | 1:10:26 | |
in their corner. | 1:10:26 | 1:10:27 | |
And after that, John, he came over to me, | 1:10:29 | 1:10:30 | |
and said Daniel, James wants to ask you something. | 1:10:30 | 1:10:32 | |
OK, OK. | 1:10:32 | 1:10:34 | |
What up, James? And he was like, | 1:10:34 | 1:10:36 | |
"Oh, it's just if you want to carry out a message or something." | 1:10:36 | 1:10:39 | |
You know, he was very... | 1:10:39 | 1:10:41 | |
He said it fast, like... like he didn't want to bother me. | 1:10:41 | 1:10:44 | |
There's many ways of dealing with a situation like this. | 1:10:47 | 1:10:50 | |
And James, I think one of the reasons why he remained so strong, | 1:10:50 | 1:10:54 | |
was because he managed to think about all the good things. | 1:10:54 | 1:10:58 | |
He saw the light, instead of the dark spots. | 1:10:58 | 1:11:01 | |
Where a guy like John, he was much more realistic. | 1:11:02 | 1:11:05 | |
He knew when it was bad. | 1:11:06 | 1:11:08 | |
But I couldn't bring out the letter. | 1:11:12 | 1:11:14 | |
I was too afraid, after these 14 days. | 1:11:14 | 1:11:17 | |
So I decided just to memorise as much as I could. | 1:11:17 | 1:11:20 | |
So I started waiting, | 1:11:21 | 1:11:23 | |
I knew they will come in the morning to pick me up. | 1:11:23 | 1:11:25 | |
One day went, two days went. | 1:11:26 | 1:11:29 | |
And then fourth, fifth day. | 1:11:30 | 1:11:32 | |
Shit, man. | 1:11:33 | 1:11:34 | |
And then I woke up, the sixth day in the morning. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:37 | |
And I couldn't sleep. I couldn't sleep all night | 1:11:37 | 1:11:39 | |
because I was so afraid of, what if they're playing a trick on me? | 1:11:39 | 1:11:43 | |
And James, he walked over to me and he sat down right next to me. | 1:11:44 | 1:11:48 | |
And he said, "Are you OK, Daniel?" "Yeah, all right." | 1:11:48 | 1:11:51 | |
And then I just couldn't hold back. | 1:11:52 | 1:11:54 | |
And I said, "Fuck. Fuck, man. | 1:11:54 | 1:11:56 | |
"I am really, really scared. | 1:11:56 | 1:11:58 | |
"I'm really, really, really, really scared right now. | 1:11:58 | 1:12:00 | |
"I don't know what to do, what to think. I..." | 1:12:00 | 1:12:03 | |
And he said, "Daniel, calm down. | 1:12:03 | 1:12:05 | |
"Calm down." | 1:12:05 | 1:12:06 | |
"Everything will be fine. | 1:12:06 | 1:12:08 | |
"You are going home. They will come. | 1:12:08 | 1:12:11 | |
"In a few hours, or tomorrow, but one thing is sure, Daniel. | 1:12:11 | 1:12:14 | |
"You will go home." | 1:12:14 | 1:12:16 | |
Once again, it was a weird feeling, | 1:12:16 | 1:12:18 | |
because I was sitting there crying, | 1:12:18 | 1:12:20 | |
and making a scene in front of James, | 1:12:20 | 1:12:24 | |
and I was about to go home. | 1:12:24 | 1:12:25 | |
And James, he didn't have anything to look forward to. | 1:12:25 | 1:12:28 | |
James, he went back to his side of the room. | 1:12:29 | 1:12:32 | |
Ten minutes after, | 1:12:36 | 1:12:38 | |
they knocked on the door. | 1:12:38 | 1:12:40 | |
They came in, and they asked me to put a blanket over my head | 1:12:40 | 1:12:42 | |
and follow them. | 1:12:42 | 1:12:44 | |
That was the last time I... | 1:12:48 | 1:12:49 | |
..I saw James. | 1:12:50 | 1:12:51 | |
I call on my friends, family and loved ones | 1:13:12 | 1:13:14 | |
to rise up against my real killers, | 1:13:14 | 1:13:16 | |
the US government. | 1:13:16 | 1:13:18 | |
For what will happen to me is only a result of their complacency, | 1:13:18 | 1:13:21 | |
and criminality. | 1:13:21 | 1:13:22 | |
I wish I had more time. | 1:13:23 | 1:13:25 | |
I wish I could have the hope of freedom | 1:13:26 | 1:13:27 | |
and seeing my family once again. | 1:13:27 | 1:13:29 | |
But that ship has sailed. | 1:13:29 | 1:13:30 | |
I hadn't heard Jim's voice in two years. | 1:13:33 | 1:13:35 | |
You know, I guess you can see it in his neck and his face, | 1:13:38 | 1:13:42 | |
he's just, the strength he has at that moment. | 1:13:42 | 1:13:45 | |
And, um... | 1:13:47 | 1:13:48 | |
I think of myself, I'd be calling for my mother or something! | 1:13:48 | 1:13:52 | |
Just the strength he had, and I... | 1:13:53 | 1:13:55 | |
I wanted to feel what he felt... | 1:13:57 | 1:14:01 | |
-SHAKY: -..is the reason I watched it. | 1:14:01 | 1:14:02 | |
I kept getting messages saying, "John, are you OK? | 1:14:06 | 1:14:09 | |
"John, are you OK about what your brother's saying?" | 1:14:09 | 1:14:12 | |
I'm like, what are you talking about? | 1:14:12 | 1:14:14 | |
I call on my brother John, | 1:14:14 | 1:14:16 | |
who is a member of the US Air Force. | 1:14:16 | 1:14:18 | |
Think about what you're doing. | 1:14:20 | 1:14:22 | |
Think about the lives you destroy, | 1:14:23 | 1:14:25 | |
including those of your own family. | 1:14:25 | 1:14:27 | |
Even though he was reading the script, | 1:14:29 | 1:14:32 | |
he seemed defiant...to the end. | 1:14:32 | 1:14:35 | |
I mean, for sure, I still have some guilt regarding... | 1:14:37 | 1:14:40 | |
..me... | 1:14:42 | 1:14:44 | |
Just...me and unfortunately my profession | 1:14:44 | 1:14:47 | |
that I am sure that he endured torture. | 1:14:47 | 1:14:50 | |
Interestingly, John and I, | 1:14:52 | 1:14:53 | |
we've argued a lot about things since that, | 1:14:53 | 1:14:57 | |
but we've been communicating a lot more, | 1:14:57 | 1:15:00 | |
we've come a lot closer as a result, and... | 1:15:00 | 1:15:02 | |
..and I think Jim would have loved that. | 1:15:03 | 1:15:05 | |
And, you know Jim as well as I do. | 1:15:06 | 1:15:08 | |
He wouldn't have said those things if there wasn't someone else | 1:15:08 | 1:15:10 | |
that was going to be harmed as a result of it. | 1:15:10 | 1:15:12 | |
He never cared about himself. | 1:15:12 | 1:15:14 | |
-KATIE: -My only thought when I found out about Jim was, | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
how am I going to get home? | 1:15:18 | 1:15:19 | |
I had missed the initial chaos when it all happened, | 1:15:20 | 1:15:24 | |
but slowly we all kind of came together. | 1:15:24 | 1:15:26 | |
We literally chose the smallest room possible in our house, | 1:15:28 | 1:15:31 | |
but everybody was just kind of huddled together. | 1:15:31 | 1:15:33 | |
Jim always found a way to bring people together. | 1:15:35 | 1:15:38 | |
Always. | 1:15:38 | 1:15:39 | |
I really don't think I came to know Jim as a man, as an adult. | 1:15:42 | 1:15:49 | |
I came to know him through his friends. | 1:15:49 | 1:15:52 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:15:52 | 1:15:53 | |
It's hard as a mother. | 1:15:54 | 1:15:56 | |
You know, they're always your children, somehow. | 1:15:56 | 1:15:59 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:15:59 | 1:16:01 | |
And it's hard to see that they're adults, | 1:16:01 | 1:16:04 | |
with their own gifts, | 1:16:04 | 1:16:05 | |
and their own way in the world. | 1:16:05 | 1:16:07 | |
The day before his memorial, I was like... | 1:16:10 | 1:16:13 | |
-LAUGHING: -..shit! | 1:16:15 | 1:16:16 | |
I was like, "Now I get it." | 1:16:16 | 1:16:19 | |
"Now I get it." | 1:16:19 | 1:16:21 | |
And I... | 1:16:21 | 1:16:22 | |
Jokingly, I was always like, you know, "Jim, get a job!" | 1:16:22 | 1:16:26 | |
Jim, you know, save for retirement! | 1:16:26 | 1:16:29 | |
So what I didn't recognise, he was really trying to teach me. | 1:16:30 | 1:16:34 | |
"John, you need to look outside yourself." | 1:16:34 | 1:16:37 | |
"John, it's not about physical or monetary things. | 1:16:38 | 1:16:43 | |
"It's about how you act. | 1:16:43 | 1:16:44 | |
"It's who you teach. | 1:16:44 | 1:16:47 | |
"Who you mentor. | 1:16:47 | 1:16:48 | |
"Who's going to remember you? | 1:16:48 | 1:16:51 | |
"What are they going to remember about you?" | 1:16:51 | 1:16:53 | |
Jimmy was included in the long line of journalists | 1:16:57 | 1:17:00 | |
who gave their lives to tell the truth. | 1:17:00 | 1:17:03 | |
We were just totally humbled by the fact that the committee in Bayeux | 1:17:03 | 1:17:07 | |
would nominate him to be included on one of the markers, | 1:17:07 | 1:17:12 | |
with 2,000 other deceased journalists. | 1:17:12 | 1:17:14 | |
It was a very important moment. | 1:17:16 | 1:17:18 | |
This was Jim, and... | 1:17:20 | 1:17:22 | |
..it made me feel very warm inside that... | 1:17:23 | 1:17:26 | |
..he was accepted as one of them. | 1:17:27 | 1:17:29 | |
And that's the difference with Jim. | 1:17:53 | 1:17:55 | |
He was just a you and a me, a friendly guy... | 1:17:55 | 1:17:58 | |
until tested. | 1:17:58 | 1:17:59 | |
-HIS VOICE BREAKS: -Where that came from, I don't know, Brian. | 1:18:02 | 1:18:04 | |
Because you just can't grit something like that out. | 1:18:08 | 1:18:11 | |
You have to have an inner strength... | 1:18:12 | 1:18:14 | |
..to do that. | 1:18:16 | 1:18:17 | |
We discovered Jim just like the world did. | 1:18:20 | 1:18:22 | |
He was truly a man for others. | 1:18:25 | 1:18:27 | |
-NICOLE: -Witnessing Jim's murder this publicly, | 1:18:31 | 1:18:34 | |
it sends a message to all of us. | 1:18:34 | 1:18:36 | |
And my, I guess, response to that is | 1:18:36 | 1:18:40 | |
having lost so many friends, | 1:18:40 | 1:18:42 | |
and knowing that people are purposely out for journalists, now, | 1:18:42 | 1:18:47 | |
I mean, we have to fight back, with our pictures and our words. | 1:18:47 | 1:18:52 | |
I just... I don't want to let them win. | 1:18:54 | 1:18:56 | |
The extent to which the media coverage took off, | 1:18:58 | 1:19:01 | |
it was just staggering. | 1:19:01 | 1:19:04 | |
It was absolutely staggering. | 1:19:04 | 1:19:05 | |
Something like 94% of Americans | 1:19:05 | 1:19:08 | |
were aware of Jim's death, | 1:19:08 | 1:19:10 | |
and how he died. | 1:19:10 | 1:19:12 | |
It's the event with the second most recognition | 1:19:12 | 1:19:15 | |
in recent American history, after 9/11. | 1:19:15 | 1:19:18 | |
He would have been horrified by that. | 1:19:18 | 1:19:20 | |
I mean, he was there to talk about the Syrian people, | 1:19:20 | 1:19:22 | |
and this is the takeaway. | 1:19:22 | 1:19:24 | |
BRIAN: What is your response to people | 1:19:28 | 1:19:30 | |
who would say he shouldn't have been in there? | 1:19:30 | 1:19:32 | |
My response is do you read the newspaper? | 1:19:33 | 1:19:35 | |
Do you watch TV? | 1:19:35 | 1:19:37 | |
You're depending on someone to bring you that information. | 1:19:37 | 1:19:40 | |
If you care about what's going on in Syria, | 1:19:41 | 1:19:44 | |
you don't have the right to be like, oh, why's he there? | 1:19:44 | 1:19:47 | |
How do you even know what there is? | 1:19:47 | 1:19:49 | |
Because he told you. | 1:19:49 | 1:19:50 | |
-PIERRE: -I remember the video, and... there was a desert. | 1:19:55 | 1:19:59 | |
And in the background, | 1:20:00 | 1:20:02 | |
you could see the desert stop. | 1:20:02 | 1:20:04 | |
And it was all the Valley of Euphrates. | 1:20:05 | 1:20:08 | |
So according to what I know from James, | 1:20:09 | 1:20:13 | |
I'm like 100% sure | 1:20:13 | 1:20:16 | |
that even though he was convinced he would be killed, | 1:20:16 | 1:20:20 | |
he enjoyed the view. | 1:20:20 | 1:20:22 | |
-NICOLAS: -He died as a free man. | 1:20:25 | 1:20:27 | |
This is not the death of a hostage. | 1:20:28 | 1:20:30 | |
This is the difference, eventually, between Jim and myself. | 1:20:31 | 1:20:34 | |
I ended up being released. | 1:20:36 | 1:20:38 | |
But...he ended up free. | 1:20:40 | 1:20:42 | |
And when we came to James' funeral, | 1:20:48 | 1:20:51 | |
everything started to become real again in a way. | 1:20:51 | 1:20:54 | |
The fact that I managed to say goodbye to James, | 1:20:55 | 1:20:57 | |
together with all his loved ones, | 1:20:57 | 1:20:59 | |
was really powerful. | 1:20:59 | 1:21:00 | |
It reminded me how important it was that... | 1:21:00 | 1:21:03 | |
..that James, he gave that letter to me. | 1:21:04 | 1:21:06 | |
Dear family and friends, | 1:21:14 | 1:21:16 | |
I remember going to the mall with Dad. | 1:21:16 | 1:21:18 | |
A very long bike ride with Mum. | 1:21:19 | 1:21:20 | |
I remember so many great family times | 1:21:22 | 1:21:24 | |
that take me away from this prison. | 1:21:24 | 1:21:25 | |
Dreams of family and friends take me away, | 1:21:26 | 1:21:28 | |
and happiness fills my heart. | 1:21:28 | 1:21:29 | |
I know you're thinking of me and praying for me, | 1:21:32 | 1:21:34 | |
and I am so thankful. | 1:21:34 | 1:21:36 | |
I feel you all especially when I pray. | 1:21:37 | 1:21:39 | |
I pray for you to stay strong, and to believe. | 1:21:39 | 1:21:42 | |
I really feel I can touch you, even in this darkness, when I pray. | 1:21:42 | 1:21:45 | |
I think a lot about my brothers and sister. | 1:21:51 | 1:21:53 | |
I remember playing werewolf in the dark with Michael, | 1:21:53 | 1:21:56 | |
and so many other adventures. | 1:21:56 | 1:21:58 | |
I think of chasing Matty and Tee around the kitchen counter. | 1:22:00 | 1:22:03 | |
It makes me happy to think of them. | 1:22:03 | 1:22:06 | |
If there is any money left in my bank account, | 1:22:06 | 1:22:07 | |
I want it to go to Michael and Matthew. | 1:22:07 | 1:22:09 | |
I am so proud of you, Michael... | 1:22:11 | 1:22:12 | |
..and thankful to you for happy childhood memories, | 1:22:13 | 1:22:16 | |
and to you and Christie for happy adult ones. | 1:22:16 | 1:22:18 | |
And big John, | 1:22:22 | 1:22:23 | |
how I enjoyed visiting you and Cress in Germany. | 1:22:23 | 1:22:26 | |
Thank you for welcoming me. | 1:22:26 | 1:22:28 | |
I think a lot about Ro-Ro, and try to imagine what Jack is like. | 1:22:28 | 1:22:31 | |
I hope he has Ro-Ro's personality. | 1:22:31 | 1:22:33 | |
So Mark and Casey, what name have you given your son? | 1:22:35 | 1:22:39 | |
-James Michael Foley. -James Michael Foley. | 1:22:39 | 1:22:43 | |
And Mark... | 1:22:44 | 1:22:46 | |
so proud of you too, bro. | 1:22:46 | 1:22:47 | |
I think of you on the West Coast, | 1:22:48 | 1:22:49 | |
and hope you're doing some snowboarding and camping. | 1:22:49 | 1:22:52 | |
I especially remember us going to the comedy club in Boston together, | 1:22:52 | 1:22:55 | |
and our big hug after. | 1:22:55 | 1:22:56 | |
The special moments keep me hopeful. | 1:22:58 | 1:23:00 | |
Katie, so very proud of you. | 1:23:03 | 1:23:05 | |
You are the strongest and best of us all. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:07 | |
I think of you working so hard, helping people as a nurse. | 1:23:08 | 1:23:11 | |
I pray I can come to your wedding. | 1:23:12 | 1:23:13 | |
Now I'm sounding like Grammy! | 1:23:14 | 1:23:16 | |
Grammy, please take your medicine. | 1:23:18 | 1:23:20 | |
Take walks and keep dancing. | 1:23:20 | 1:23:22 | |
I plan to take you out to Margarita's when I get home. | 1:23:23 | 1:23:25 | |
Stay strong, | 1:23:25 | 1:23:27 | |
because I'm going to need your help to reclaim my life. | 1:23:27 | 1:23:29 | |
Jim. | 1:23:30 | 1:23:31 | |
# Well, I was always late | 1:23:37 | 1:23:39 | |
# For every meal, you'll swear | 1:23:39 | 1:23:42 | |
# But keep my place | 1:23:44 | 1:23:46 | |
# On the empty chair | 1:23:48 | 1:23:50 | |
# And somehow I'll be there | 1:23:52 | 1:23:56 | |
# And somehow... | 1:23:59 | 1:24:01 | |
# I'll be there. # | 1:24:02 | 1:24:07 |