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When it comes to our health, it seems everyone has an opinion,

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and everyone has an agenda.

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But what's the health advice you can really trust?

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We're here to weigh up the evidence and use our expertise

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to guide you...

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Through the contradictions and the confusions.

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We do the research no-one else has done.

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And put your health at the heart of what we do and ensure you get

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the information you need.

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We're here when you want to know the latest findings and not

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just the latest fads.

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I'm Michael Mosley.

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In this series I'm joined by a team of doctors.

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Together we will cut through the hype, the head lines

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and the health claims.

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This is: Trust Me, I'm A Doctor.

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This time we're in Newcastle, carrying out the most ambitious

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experiment we have ever attempted: To find out if turmeric can ever

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protect us against cancer.

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Also, are fast-acting pain killers worth the extra money?

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With a dangerous strain of meningitis on the rise,

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how do you protect yourself?

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That's when I went anto cardiac arrest.

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And when is mindfulness medicine, or mumbo jumbo?

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And should we all have a stab at testing our own cholesterol.

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But first, welcome to Newcastle, we're here to do a truly

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ground breaking experiment with the university to see

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if turmeric, a spice commonly used in Indian cooking can help

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protect us against cancer.

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It's one of the nation's favourite dishes but not one that is generally

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thought of as healthy.

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But could one of curry's key ingredients contain the secret

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to long life and good health?

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This is turmeric, in its raw state it looks a little like ginger root

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but when you grind it down you get that distinctive yellowy, orange

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powder, that is so opulent in South Asian cuisine,

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but it is possible

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that turmeric is doing something more than just adding flavour

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to your food.

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There are claims that turmeric can fend off anything from allergies

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to depression, even cancer.

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But for once there is a hint of evidence behind the claims.

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In many countries that cook with turmeric, rates of cancer

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are surprisingly low.

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So what's going on?

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There are at least 200 different compounds in turmeric

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but there is one that scientists are interested in.

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It gives the spice its colour.

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It is called curcumin.

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Thousands of scientific papers have been published looking at turmeric

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and curcumin in the laboratory, some with promising results.

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But far fewer experiments have been done in the real world,

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at Dr Anthony Watson of the Newcastle University explains.

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There is test tube evidence and there is animal evidence

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that shows that turmeric could have an effect on cell

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signalling and changes in cells

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but the data that shows effects on humans is quite limited.

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So the study is not there to point the way?

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Exactly.

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This is exactly the sort of situation where we on Trust Me,

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like to make a difference.

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We are going to do a real world experiment.

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To test turmeric on our health in a way that has

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never been tried before.

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We have tracked down leading researchers from across the country,

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whose work, we think, could help find the answer.

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And we have recruited nearly 100 volunteers.

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First, in a true Trust Me style, we have to divide

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them into three groups.

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One group will be consuming a teaspoon of turmeric a day,

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ideally mixed in with their food.

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Another lot are going to get a supplement of turmeric, the third

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group will have the placebo.

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They are going to take their turmeric powder,

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supplements or placebo for six weeks.

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We are taking blood samples now and we'll do it again at the end.

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We are going analyse them using ground breaking techniques

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to test two of the big claims made for turmeric,

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that it can be good for your immune system and good for cancer.

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One of the tests we are taking is an ?oxidative

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stress test?.

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It is brand new, developed here at Newcastle University.

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It gives a measure of how good your blood cells

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are at resisting inflammation, therefore a measure also of how

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robust your immune system is.

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But how to test weather turmeric could really help

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protect us from cancer?

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We've found a group from University College London,

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whose research, we think might help.

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Here at UCL, they're doing a test for us that involves

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new science and technology, that should reveal for the first

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time subtle changes in DNA, associated with cancer risk.

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This test is based on a new understanding of how cancer starts

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and could have major implications for all of us.

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We are finding out about more of this later in the programme.

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By bringing out this latest scientific knowledge

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to a real world study, we hope to find out once

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and for all, whether turmeric really does have genuine health benefits.

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Now down the years we have done lots of projects with different

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universities and got some really exciting results but this is by far

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the most ambitious thing we have ever attempted so finger

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crossed we get a result!

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Now over to Dr Chris van Tulleken.

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Now over to Dr Chris van Tulleken.

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Joint pain is something that loads of us worry about as we get older.

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Lots of people are turning to supplements.

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One of the most popular supplements for joints is gloucosamine.

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The idea is that as glucosamine is found naturally in our joints,

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taking it as a supplement, may help replace or repair our own joint

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tissue as it suffers wear and tear.

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Here in the UK we spend nearly ?55 million a year

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on glucosamine pills.

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They are sold over the counter as a food supplement,

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not a medicine, which means that they are less regulated, so,

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are we wasting our money?

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Firstly, how much glucosamine do these pills contain?

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Well to find out we have taken nine brands, easily available in the UK

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and brought them to the lab for testing.

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We are going to analyse the chemistry to find out

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if the products really contain what they say they do.

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So what does our test show?

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The doctor at the pharmaceutical institute has the results.

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We saw that two out of the nine have lesser amounts than expected.

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So as much as 30% less.

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Really, 30% less?

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Is that worrying?

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It is worrying in the sense that this pills are not regulated.

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They could have any amount of glucosamine in them.

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In fact they could even have none at all.

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Because of the lack of regulation, we can have no idea how

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much our glucosamine pills contain.

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We found that pills that could cost you almost ?300 a year,

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contain similar amounts of glucosamine as the ones that cost

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?9 a year.

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Christina has other concerns too.

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I have a slightly creeky knee, what advice would you give to me

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if I said I want to buy glucosamine?

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I would recommend you not to buy it, there is no clinical

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evidence it works.

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It it's an interesting point.

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So your glucosamine supplements may not contain as much glucosamine

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as you thought.

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But even so, it leaves the question of whether or not they can do

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the thing that people buy them for, to make sore joints better.

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Countless trials have been done on glucosamine to see

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if it helps our joints.

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It has been come paired with pain killers and other remedies,

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even with placebos, people taking a dummy pill.

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But for all the research, there is no definitive answer.

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It is an analysis, so pulls the results from thousands

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of patients from other studies and the authors were still unable

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to show any conclusive benefit from taking glucosamine

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but they do go on to say, that patients who take glucosamine

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often are convinced of its benefits and it doesn't do them harm.

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So what is going on here?

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For me, the fact that many trials show that placebo pills are just

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as effective as glucosamine might mean in the case of joint pain

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taking glucosamine pill, only makes people's joints feel

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better as they think it does, it is just a placebo.

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So I want to do an experiment.

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To help me get this right I have called on a world expert

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in osteo-arthritis, Professor Phil conhad been

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in osteo-arthritis, Professor Phil Conaghan

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from the University of Leeds.

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Together we have done a study that we think reveals

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the truth about glucosamine.

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But Phil thinks it will need a lot of people.

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We need about a minimum of 40 patients.

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Per arm, so say in 80 patients in total for the study.

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80 people with painful knee joints?

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No problem.

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We divided them into two groups.

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The first group will be shown how to do something that is shown

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to relieve pain, daily exercises to strengthen muscles and tendons

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around the knee.

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The other group will be getting a pill to pop every day.

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You'll be getting the supplement, that is one pill a day to be

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taken in the morning.

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We want to see how well the supplement measures up

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against the gold standard, exercise.

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We have measured the range of movement each has in the knee

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joint and they have filled in a form describing their pain levels.

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In eight weeks' time, the volunteers come back and fill

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out the pain scores.

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And then we will find out if there has been an improvement.

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Two months after the trial started, the volunteers gather

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in Leeds to find out.

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Have the exercises or the supplement pills made any difference

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to their joints?

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I was in the exercise group.

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How did it go?

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Absolutely fabulous.

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I felt much, much, better.

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How have the last few weeks gone on the #1u7mentes?

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How have the last few weeks gone on the supplement?

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Fantastic.

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I have almost forgot been the pain.

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So you feel like we have cured you?

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I feel like a new person.

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You do?

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I do, yeah.

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Thank you all very much for coming.

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Are you all looking forward to the results?

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ALL SPEAK AT ONCE: Yes.

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Phil, start by telling us what happened

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to the exercise groups.

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OK.

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The exercise group, 80% of the people in your group improved

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their symptoms by over a third.

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So a large number of you really did very well.

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Over a third we know from previous studies is the amount we think

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is clinically important.

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It is the amount you recognise you notice difference

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in your symptoms.

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So that is 80% of the group.

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Then the supplement group, how did they do?

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So, 55% of the people in this group also

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improved a third or more.

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55%/80%.

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That's the difference between the groups.

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So over half of you did well in this group with the supplement.

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So 55% of the supplement group reported a clinically significant

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drop in pain.

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It's an impressive improvement but what was it they were taking?

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We have to come clean with you guys, what you were taking

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was a totally inert sugar pill, it was a placebo.

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We didn't do it to deceive you, we did it for a good

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and important reasons, the result that 55% of you had

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a clinically significant improvement in symptoms is surprising.

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So the placebo effect has indeed been really strong.

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Over half the group felt that got better taking a sugar pill.

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This explains the complicated picture around glucosamine.

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Many people swear by it but as we have proved,

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even sugar pills can make your joints feel better.

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Huge studies on thousands of people have shown glucosamine to be no more

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effective than our placebo.

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The exercise did trump the pills, and that's really encouraging it

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The exercise did trump the pills, and that's really encouraging, it

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means there is something we can all do to help our joint pain that

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is free and works in most of us.

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A lot of the pain is coming from the tendons and

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the structures around the joint.

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If they are unloaded, you reduce the pain.

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We see it for knees, or hands, and if there is anybody listening

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and they are having trouble getting out of a chair

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and undoing a jar, they

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are at risk of joint pain because their muscles are weak.

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This is the time to look at getting strong.

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They have seen the evidence, now they have to do something

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for their leg muscles and their arm muscles.

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I'm gardening and doing everything I have never done before.

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Really it has made so much difference.

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I had a colleague at work who had a problem, I suggested he should do

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this type of exercise, after two weeks he came back

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and said he was fine.

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So, you have been spreading the word?

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And I feel we have cleared up a lot of the murky evidence around

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the pills.

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If you are 100% convinced that glucosamine works for you,

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then by all mean, keep taking it.

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But for most of us, the best evidence says that

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you can save your money, which is lucky, given the low levels

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of glucosamine we found in some of the pills on the market.

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The exercises are free, effective and virtually no side effects.

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So if it were me, I would ditch the pills and do a few leg raises.

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To see Phil's exercises in detail, go to the Trust Me

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I'm a Doctor website.

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Painkillers are the most popular over-the-counter medicines you can

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buy, but some cost ten times more than others.

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So, are they worth it?

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Over to Doctor Saleyha Ahsan.

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The range of painkillers to buy over-the-counter is huge, and the

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choice can be pretty overwhelming.

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There are painkillers that come as tablets,

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caplets, liquid capsules, painkillers that claim to act

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caplets, liquid capsules, painkillers that claim to act

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fast or target pain.

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Big-name brands and cheaper generic products.

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So which should you choose?

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You might be tempted into thinking that a higher

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price carries with it and increased guarantee of effectiveness.

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But is that actually the case?

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To find out, I'm going to collect a range of ibuprofen painkillers and

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put them to the test.

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About half of them are well known brand names, the

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big companies that often do the initial drug research and charge

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higher prices.

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The other half are the modestly priced generic products

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made by companies who wait for the patents to run out,

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then they simply produced their own version of an

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existing medicine.

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We've taken a range of branded and generic

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products and send them for some laboratory tests.

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Head of the pharmaceutics lab at University

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College London is Simon Gaisford. The first test is, do they contain

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as much ibuprofen as they claim?

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So, Simon, what did you find?

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So we found that each product contained

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ibuprofen, which is the drug designed to reduce pain, and that

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each product contained the amount of ibuprofen claimed on the box.

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Exactly as it should be.

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As licensed medicines in the UK are tightly

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regulated by the Medicines and Health Care Products Regulatory

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Authority.

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The MHRA.

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But even if they contain the same stuff, do the

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cheaper products really worked just as well?

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cheaper products really work just as well?

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Our labs did a second set of tests to find out how quickly the

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drug was released from the tablets.

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A simulation of how quickly the ibuprofen might get into our

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bloodstream.

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Here are the results for the branded product.

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Talk me through this.

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So on this axis is the amount of drug that is

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dissolving from the tablet into solution as a percentage, and this

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axis is time in minutes.

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axis is timed in minutes.

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We can see when we added the tablet to the

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solution most of the product started to release their drug quite quickly.

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I think it's important to note that different

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products release drugs at

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different rates.

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The requirement to sell a product on the market is that

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after a particular time period, a minimum percentage

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of drug has been released.

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In this case, after 40 minutes, they all need to be above

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75%, and they are.

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That is the branded.

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How did the generics do?

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The generics are shown in blue, branded in red.

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We can see there is a degree of variability in the

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release rates at the start but again after 40 minutes all the products,

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more than 75% of the drug has been released.

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Both the generic and branded products released the

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majority of the ibuprofen after 40 minutes.

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And there's no significant difference between the different

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manufacturers products.

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So according to our tests, there is no advantage

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in paying for more expensive tablets.

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The cheaper ones are just as good, and that is, in fact, a

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legal requirement here in the.

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legal requirement here in the UK.

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If I'm a company and I want to develop

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a generic version of a product, I have to

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demonstrate to the MHRA that

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my product is bio-equivalent to the brand leader.

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What that means is, the drug which is released from

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my generic product reaches the bloodstream

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at the same rate as the

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brand leader.

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But companies use lots of marketing tactics to get us to

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part with more cash.

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What about the versions claimed to be fast acting?

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Some of them work by using a slightly different form of

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ibuprofen, so your body can absorb it more quickly.

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Others give it to you in solution in a soft capsule.

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We put some of these products to the test, too.

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Now if we look at the critical points we can see after 20

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minutes all of these products have released more than 75% of their

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drug.

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That's 20 minutes.

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As opposed to 40.

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We were there before.

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The normal release.

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We now there.

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We arenow there.

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Absolutely, so 20 minutes we've got the same

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amount of drug released as

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the standard release tablets released in 40 minutes.

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The claim to be fast acting or express is also

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regulated by law in the UK, so again there is no advantage in paying

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more.

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Cheap express products should work just as quickly as the

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expensive brands.

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The other way companies can tempted to spend more

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The other way companies can tempt you to spend more

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is to sell painkillers for different kinds of pain.

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For instance, Neurofen sell ibuprofen in all kinds of

0:20:140:20:16

packages for all kinds of things.

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This suggests there is something different in each box, and they are

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often more expensive than the supposedly regular tablets.

0:20:200:20:22

The thing is, ibuprofen doesn't target

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just one of these things.

0:20:230:20:25

It works on everything.

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It has an analgesic effect over the entire body.

0:20:270:20:29

It does all of these things all at the same

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time.

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Ibuprofen works because it dampens pain no matter where it is

0:20:340:20:37

in the body, so it'll help headaches at the same time as helping back

0:20:370:20:40

pain.

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That's true of any ibuprofen product regardless of price.

0:20:430:20:46

In 2015 and Australian court found that

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In 2015 an Australian court found that

0:20:520:20:54

Neurofen had misled the public by marketing four products that

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claims to target specific types of pain.

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Back pain, period pain and headaches.

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When, in fact, it was exactly the same medicine in each

0:21:020:21:05

box.

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In the UK you can also buy supposedly paying specific forms of

0:21:080:21:12

Neurofen while some of the different boxes

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contain the same form of

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ibuprofen.

0:21:160:21:18

The advertising standards authority this year cracked down on

0:21:180:21:21

one of their adverts.

0:21:210:21:25

Neurofen aren't the only company selling

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targeted ibuprofen.

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Despite the various ways companies try to tempt

0:21:300:21:32

you to spend more money, in the UK and EU, you are protected by law,

0:21:320:21:36

and can safely buy the cheapest versions on offer.

0:21:360:21:38

None of these products can target specific pain,

0:21:380:21:43

so there's no point paying any more for a box that suggests it does.

0:21:430:21:47

If you're ever in any doubt, always ask

0:21:470:21:51

the pharmacist.

0:21:510:21:54

The only time it might be worth spending a little bit

0:21:540:21:57

more is if you need fast acting pain relief.

0:21:570:21:59

Even then, the cheaper generic packets work just as well as

0:21:590:22:01

the more expensive brands.

0:22:010:22:02

Neurofen told us seven in ten people find

0:22:020:22:07

paying specific products help them decide which best meets their needs.

0:22:070:22:12

Any Neurofen products with the same active

0:22:120:22:14

ingredient, pack size and

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formulation have the same recommended retail price.

0:22:150:22:17

Their full statement is on our website.

0:22:170:22:20

Next, we've invited GP Doctor Zoe Williams

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to investigate whether monitoring our own health at home is

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worthwhile.

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This time, measuring our cholesterol levels.

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Cholesterol testing is one of the things that

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makes up the NHS health check, essentially that means anyone over

0:22:450:22:48

the age of 40 should be checking their cholesterol.

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Cholesterol is the type of fat we all have in our

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blood, and if we have too much of it, it can

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build upon the insides of

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build up on the insides of

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our blood vessels, increasing the risk heart

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disease and stroke.

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So we should know our levels, but should

0:23:080:23:10

we measure them ourselves?

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It's like these are available over-the-counter, so that means you

0:23:110:23:13

can check your cholesterol at home.

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But are these worth spending our money on and what do our results

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mean anyway?

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I've found some volunteers willing to put

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cholesterol tests to the test.

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First, I've invited them to the surgery to take their blood

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and put it through the standard test you get

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from your GP, then we'll see how this compares

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to the results from a

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range of home test kits.

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The test that we do doesn't actually measure

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the amount of cholesterol, it measures the amount of protein that

0:23:400:23:43

carries the cholesterol.

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That is supposed to give an indication if

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you are at increased risk of heart disease or stroke.

0:23:490:23:52

The professional test will measure two different

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proteins.

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LDL carries cholesterol to the cells in the body, and this is

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often called bad cholesterol, as you don't want too much of it.

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HDL carries cholesterol away from

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yourselves to be disposed of in the liver.

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This is often called good cholesterol, so higher levels are

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better.

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Tomorrow we'll be checking the home testing kits to see if they

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give as accurate a reading as these samples.

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So the volunteers have arrived.

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Here we have the kits.

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There are several kinds on the market, they all require

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a pinprick of blood.

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And, as it turns out, it can be difficult to use.

0:24:450:24:47

The cheapest kits use your blood sample

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and a bit of chemistry to give a result in the form of a coloured

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dot.

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And some more expensive devices give a digital reading.

0:24:530:24:56

But are any of them accurate?

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Cholesterol levels don't change dramatically overnight,

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so the results should be about the same as the laboratory test from

0:25:020:25:06

yesterday that I brought with me.

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Three of our kits aren't a good match.

0:25:090:25:12

I wouldn't say that's very accurate.

0:25:120:25:14

A little bit out, that one.

0:25:140:25:17

We'll put that over there.

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One of them was the more expensive digital device we tested.

0:25:190:25:22

So you have the fancy machine and we were

0:25:220:25:25

able to check your total cholesterol, total cholesterol was

0:25:250:25:32

out.

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One of the simple devices seemed to match the professional

0:25:420:25:45

test.

0:25:450:25:46

Very accurate.

0:25:460:25:47

But perhaps it's not quite as clear-cut it

0:25:470:25:49

appeared.

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To me, the blood sample is showing a really light grey colour,

0:25:500:25:53

but the chart I'm comparing it to is various shades of green.

0:25:530:25:56

We are not particularly impressed with the home

0:25:560:25:59

test kits, but even if we did get accurate results, what do they mean?

0:25:590:26:02

So, the measure we ultimately interested in is the cholesterol

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ratio.

0:26:050:26:07

The HDL in comparison to the LDL.

0:26:070:26:10

The advice is that your HDL levels should be above one and your

0:26:100:26:15

LDL levels below three.

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Interpreting cholesterol results has always been

0:26:190:26:22

controversial but the latest advice is bringing down your LDL levels and

0:26:220:26:25

increasing your HDL levels will reduce your risk of heart disease

0:26:250:26:28

and stroke.

0:26:280:26:31

You can do this through changing what you eat, doing more

0:26:310:26:34

exercise and giving up smoking, as well as taking medication such as

0:26:340:26:38

statins.

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Would our volunteers use the home kits to measure their

0:26:400:26:42

cholesterol?

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Bearing that in mind, how useful for you at home is the

0:26:440:26:47

information from the other kits?

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I would prefer to go to a GP to get the test done.

0:26:500:26:53

Because I'm not sure how accurate is this one.

0:26:530:26:59

I doubt the accuracy of that.

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What I'm expecting, because I'm a big foodie,

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so I know I like my food, I suspect that my cholesterol cannot be that

0:27:090:27:12

low.

0:27:120:27:14

As we've seen, the home testing kits are not only difficult to

0:27:140:27:16

operate, it's also difficult to interpret the results, so my advice

0:27:160:27:20

would be if you are over the age of 40 or in any doubt at all, go see

0:27:200:27:24

your doctor and let them test-tube and interpret the results for you.

0:27:240:27:33

your doctor and let them test and interpret the results for you.

0:27:330:27:36

It'll probably save you some money in the meantime.

0:27:360:27:38

Earlier in the programme we started one of the most

0:27:380:27:41

ambitious experiments Trust Me has ever done, putting some of the

0:27:410:27:43

supposed health benefits of turmeric to the test.

0:27:430:27:48

Involves nearly 100 people, over six weeks, with tests

0:27:480:27:53

in four labs right across the UK.

0:27:530:27:56

One of these tests could have major implications for all of us as it

0:27:560:28:02

might provide an early warning system for cancer.

0:28:020:28:07

It's been made possible thanks to people like

0:28:070:28:10

Caroline, who found out in 2007 she was at increased risk of hereditary

0:28:100:28:14

breast and ovarian cancer.

0:28:140:28:18

I was put on a screening programme and the

0:28:180:28:22

results came back from those that I had shadows on both breasts.

0:28:220:28:25

I was absolutely terrified and convinced I

0:28:250:28:29

was going to die and that was it, I was going to leave my three children

0:28:290:28:33

without a mother.

0:28:330:28:34

In 2009 I had a risk reducing bilateral mastectomy

0:28:340:28:39

with reconstruction.

0:28:390:28:43

From there I had my fourth child in 2013 and

0:28:430:28:50

after that I had more risk reducing surgery and had my ovaries and

0:28:500:28:53

fallopian tubes removed to lower my risk of ovarian cancer.

0:28:530:28:55

Caroline donated tissue samples to a research

0:28:550:28:57

group at University College London and their work has recently led to a

0:28:570:29:02

breakthrough in how we might identify an individual's risk of

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cancer.

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It came about thanks to a relatively new understanding of how

0:29:070:29:09

changes in our genes can trigger cancer.

0:29:090:29:19

But not the changes we once thought.

0:29:200:29:21

Over to surgeon Gabriel Weston.

0:29:210:29:22

Over the past few decades, our understanding of our genes has

0:29:220:29:25

altered dramatically.

0:29:250:29:26

And one of the most important thing is we're

0:29:260:29:35

learning is that it's not just the DNA we inherit that matters, but

0:29:350:29:38

also how those genes are used in our bodies on a daily basis.

0:29:380:29:41

The genetic code we inherit is like a colossal

0:29:410:29:43

book of instructions for all the difference

0:29:430:29:45

cells in our body.

0:29:450:29:46

But exactly which part of these instructions any individual cell

0:29:460:29:49

reads will make a dramatic difference to what kind of cell it

0:29:490:29:51

is and how it behaves.

0:29:510:29:53

If I cover at different parts of a sentence, it

0:29:530:29:55

If I cover up different parts of a sentence, it

0:29:550:29:57

changes its meaning, so an instruction not to do something

0:29:570:30:00

becomes an instruction to do something.

0:30:000:30:03

In our cells, it turns out that this covering up of parts

0:30:030:30:06

of our genetic code, happens all the time.

0:30:060:30:10

It's an important way to tell

0:30:100:30:12

some of our cells to do

0:30:120:30:15

different things from others.

0:30:150:30:16

It's called DNA mmethylation.

0:30:160:30:21

And now researchers have discovered that

0:30:210:30:24

methylation can go wrong and

0:30:240:30:25

that can lead to cancer.

0:30:250:30:27

It's a whole new branch of being, known as epi- genetics, it is

0:30:270:30:31

turning out to be every bit as important as genetics.

0:30:310:30:40

Here at UCL, this are trying to work out how to

0:30:400:30:42

use it to help us all reduce our cancer risk.

0:30:420:30:45

Professor Martin Widschwendter is head of the team

0:30:450:30:51

that studied tissue samples from Caroline

0:30:510:30:54

and over 70 other women.

0:30:540:31:03

They compared cells from women who had

0:31:030:31:05

breast cancer, with cells from those who did not.

0:31:050:31:07

They found a key change in DNA mmethylation that happens

0:31:070:31:09

before a cancer develops.

0:31:090:31:10

This DNA methylation signature allows us to

0:31:100:31:12

identify women who are getting breast cancer in the future.

0:31:120:31:17

How many cancers do you think might have some of this methylation

0:31:170:31:20

process at the heart of them?

0:31:200:31:22

What has been shown thoroughly, is that

0:31:220:31:25

every cancer has a DNA methylation signature,

0:31:250:31:30

so this is very good evidence that DNA methylation is a

0:31:300:31:32

key trigger for cancer development.

0:31:320:31:37

What is so important about DNA methylation is that it can be

0:31:370:31:40

changed relatively easily.

0:31:400:31:41

We now understand that the things we know can increase your risk of

0:31:410:31:51

DNA methylation to a bad or abhorrent

0:31:510:31:53

form, crucially, the changes are reversible.

0:31:530:31:57

We know that smoking triggers the abhorrent DNA methylation

0:31:570:31:59

if you stop smoking it goes back.

0:31:590:32:06

So with the brand new understanding, Martin

0:32:060:32:09

is developing a test looking for dangerous DNA methylation

0:32:090:32:11

patterns in several types of cancer.

0:32:110:32:16

We know they are an early warning system,

0:32:160:32:18

one that allows people to take action before they develop cancer.

0:32:180:32:21

He hopes that the test will be available to the public by 2020.

0:32:210:32:25

This could be revolutionary, because if you can predict

0:32:250:32:27

the development of a cancer before it happens, you

0:32:270:32:29

have the chance to change the factors that enable that cancer to

0:32:290:32:32

occur.

0:32:320:32:39

It's been estimated for example that ten years after giving

0:32:390:32:43

up smoking, your risk of developing lung cancer is comparable to someone

0:32:430:32:46

who has never smoked.

0:32:460:32:54

Prevention is better than cure, yet experience

0:32:540:32:56

tells us we find it difficult to make changes in our lives,

0:32:560:33:00

until we are given a personal diagnosis.

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As recently as 1981, up to 330,000 people a year

0:33:130:33:15

were dying with cardiovascular disease without a

0:33:150:33:17

warning.

0:33:170:33:18

Then cholesterol and high blood pressure were identified as

0:33:180:33:21

a warning sign, so people were able to manage their risk and the death

0:33:210:33:25

rates fell by up to 50%.

0:33:250:33:26

This new personalised test for assessing cancer risk, that I have

0:33:260:33:31

seen being developed here at UCL could hold out a similar promise,

0:33:310:33:35

potentially leading to a dramatic reduction in deaths from cancer.

0:33:350:33:37

For Caroline, it's an exciting prospect.

0:33:370:33:44

I feel very lucky to be part of the research that the team

0:33:440:33:53

are doing into risk prediction.

0:33:530:34:01

It means that future generations not only of

0:34:010:34:03

my family but of other families and the general

0:34:030:34:05

public may not have to

0:34:050:34:07

have such drastic surgery, they a may not have to remove

0:34:070:34:09

healthy body parts.

0:34:090:34:13

While some changes we could make to reduce our cancer risk might involve

0:34:130:34:16

giving things up, others may involve actively adding something to our

0:34:160:34:19

lives.

0:34:190:34:23

This is where our turmeric trials are really exciting.

0:34:230:34:30

There are some researchers that believe

0:34:300:34:32

there is an active ingredient in turmeric that can affect the

0:34:320:34:35

methylation of genes.

0:34:350:34:35

If this is the case, it could help explain

0:34:350:34:38

turmeric's supposed anticancer properties?

0:34:380:34:39

But is it true?

0:34:390:34:49

By comparing our volunteers' methylation

0:34:490:34:51

patterns at the start and end of the trial,

0:34:510:34:53

Martin is hoping to find out it will be the first time anyone has

0:34:530:34:57

looked in this way at whether or not changing our diet can make a change

0:34:570:35:00

to our DNA methylation.

0:35:000:35:01

We will find out the result later on in the

0:35:010:35:04

programme.

0:35:040:35:05

Still to come: Is there a natural alternative to HRT?

0:35:050:35:09

And what does practicing mindfulness do to

0:35:090:35:11

your brain?

0:35:110:35:20

But first, meningitis was in the news earlier this year

0:35:200:35:22

because of the tragic death of a two-year-old girl.

0:35:220:35:26

But meningitis can strike down anyone at any age

0:35:260:35:29

so.

0:35:290:35:33

What are the signs we should be looking out for?

0:35:330:35:38

Meningitis is an inflamation of the lining of the

0:35:380:35:40

brain and spinal chord and can have a range

0:35:400:35:42

of different causes.

0:35:420:35:43

The most common cause of the infection

0:35:430:35:51

is a virus or a bacterium that occurs in the nose and the throat.

0:35:510:35:54

One of the most dangerous misconceptions about meningitis is

0:35:540:35:57

that it only happens in children, it doesn't!

0:35:570:35:59

It can affect anyone at any

0:35:590:36:00

age and with great speed.

0:36:000:36:01

And the effects can be long-lasting and even

0:36:010:36:04

life threatening.

0:36:040:36:07

There is a dangerous strain now on the rise and

0:36:070:36:09

at this time of year young people leaving

0:36:090:36:11

home to start college or

0:36:110:36:12

university are especially vulnerable.

0:36:120:36:16

So here at London's South Bank university we have set up

0:36:160:36:19

our own Trust Me awareness stall to spread the word.

0:36:190:36:25

It is on the rise between 18 and 24-year-olds.

0:36:250:36:28

Helping us is Sophie who contracted meningitis three years ago.

0:36:280:36:32

I didn't really know it could happen to adults.

0:36:320:36:34

So when I did contract it

0:36:340:36:36

was a big shock.

0:36:360:36:41

Can you describe to me your symptoms?

0:36:410:36:45

I had vomiting, diarrhoea, dislike of bright lights,

0:36:450:36:47

headache...

0:36:470:36:48

A stiffness, not feeling well.

0:36:480:36:55

Flu-like symptoms, and then the next morning I woke up and I was

0:36:550:36:58

violently shaking.

0:36:580:37:02

My ends of my fingers had turned a bluish colour,

0:37:020:37:05

the ends of my nose and feet there.

0:37:050:37:11

There was a rash on my legs spreading up.

0:37:110:37:13

Sophie had become dangerously ill.

0:37:130:37:14

Her infection spread to her blood which caused sepsis.

0:37:140:37:17

She had to have the tips of her fingers and toes

0:37:170:37:20

amputated.

0:37:200:37:21

Something that could have been prevented if the symptoms had

0:37:210:37:23

been recognised sooner.

0:37:230:37:29

There are different forms of meningitis but

0:37:290:37:32

there is a group of symptoms mainly the same across them all.

0:37:320:37:35

Headache, eyes sensitive to light.

0:37:350:37:40

Neck stiffness, diarrhoea and vomiting.

0:37:400:37:41

Lethargy.

0:37:410:37:43

You can get muscular and joint pain and cold hands and feet which may

0:37:430:37:53

indicate the beginning of sepsis, which is dangerous.

0:37:530:37:55

Another symptom that people know about

0:37:550:37:56

commonly is the rash that doesn't disappear when you press a glass

0:37:560:37:59

against it but that is actually a late sign so, please don't wait

0:37:590:38:04

against it but that is actually a late sign so please don't wait

0:38:040:38:07

until that appears to get help, as that could be fatal.

0:38:070:38:10

Students are especially at risk as they mix with

0:38:100:38:12

lots of new people and the viruses and the bacteria that cause

0:38:120:38:15

meningitis are spread in similar ways to the common cold, in

0:38:150:38:18

sneezing, and coughing and prolonged close contact like kissing.

0:38:180:38:28

A quarter of the age group hash our

0:38:330:38:35

the bacteria in the nose and throat but the meningitis occurs when the

0:38:350:38:38

bacteria breaks through to invade the body.

0:38:380:38:40

Even if the young people don't fall ill themselves, they can

0:38:400:38:42

spread the bacteria to the more vulnerable, such as the very young

0:38:420:38:45

and the very old.

0:38:450:38:46

What is the one thing you would say to people

0:38:460:38:49

watching this about meningitis?

0:38:490:38:50

I would say it happens very fast.

0:38:500:38:51

They need to know the science of the symptoms and if you can to get

0:38:510:38:55

vaccinated.

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Here at our Trust Me stall, we have medical staff on hand to give

0:38:560:39:00

vaccinations to students who have not had one.

0:39:000:39:02

Who has had the meningitis vaccine?

0:39:020:39:03

No.

0:39:030:39:04

No.

0:39:040:39:06

Have you had the vaccination?

0:39:060:39:08

When we were young.

0:39:080:39:12

You have had the little one but there is another one.

0:39:120:39:14

There are different vaccinations to prevent

0:39:140:39:16

against different strains of

0:39:160:39:17

bacteria.

0:39:170:39:22

The one now offered to young people protects against four

0:39:220:39:26

types, A, C, Y and the most dangerous, MW.

0:39:260:39:33

After the exam is done, come and celebrate and get yourself

0:39:330:39:36

vaccinated it is not any of the ones you have had before, it's a life

0:39:360:39:40

saver.

0:39:400:39:41

The aim as well as protecting against the disease is to prevent

0:39:410:39:44

spreading amongst other age groups.

0:39:440:39:45

Who is going to have it?

0:39:450:39:47

I have not had it, so I would like to have it.

0:39:470:39:51

Brilliant.

0:39:510:39:53

OK.

0:39:530:39:54

Another one in the bag.

0:39:540:39:59

If you're starting university and have not already had the

0:39:590:40:01

vaccination, you should get it as soon as you can.

0:40:010:40:04

It's still important to stay vigilant as no

0:40:040:40:08

vaccine gives 100% protection.

0:40:080:40:17

Remember that meningitis can affect anyone of any age, not just young

0:40:170:40:20

people.

0:40:200:40:22

Learn to recognise the warning signs of meningitis in case you or someone

0:40:220:40:25

you know becomes unwell.

0:40:250:40:29

Because recognising the symptoms and getting

0:40:290:40:31

early help is so important.

0:40:310:40:36

For a list of symptoms check out our website: BBC.co.uk/trustme.

0:40:360:40:42

In this series we are taking a close look at some of the so-called

0:40:520:40:56

alternative therapies that claim to do things like relieve pain, cure

0:40:560:40:59

addiction or improve our mental health.

0:40:590:41:02

But do any of them really help?

0:41:020:41:04

This time we are looking at mindfulness.

0:41:040:41:08

This has become very popular in the UK in recent years.

0:41:080:41:13

Fans claim it can be used to help depression, anxiety,

0:41:130:41:23

all forms of mental illness that affect one in

0:41:230:41:25

four of us.

0:41:250:41:26

But how well does it really work?

0:41:260:41:30

Now, I must admit I do occasionally practice mindfulness, as

0:41:300:41:32

a way of managing stresses in my life.

0:41:320:41:34

It's a form of meditation.

0:41:340:41:35

What I do is sit somewhere quiet, close my eyes, and then I sort of

0:41:350:41:39

breathe slowly in and out.

0:41:390:41:41

And the idea is that thoughts and feelings will come and go

0:41:410:41:44

but you just allow them to drift off, like

0:41:440:41:46

leaves falling into a river.

0:41:460:41:47

Mindfulness is about letting go of distracting thoughts and focussing

0:41:470:41:49

on the present moment.

0:41:490:41:54

The idea is that by teaching us to be more aware

0:41:540:41:58

of thoughts and feelings, mindfulness helps us cope with

0:41:580:42:00

stress and manage problems like depression and anxiety.

0:42:000:42:02

I want to find out what impact mindfulness has

0:42:020:42:04

on my brain.

0:42:040:42:14

My investigation starts at Liverpool John Moores University in the

0:42:180:42:21

laboratory of Dr Peter Melinoski.

0:42:210:42:31

He has developed an experiment to see if

0:42:320:42:34

the effects of mindfulness are measurable.

0:42:340:42:35

What Peter is doing at the moment is applying electrodes to

0:42:350:42:38

my head and he's going to be measuring the electrical activity in

0:42:380:42:41

my brain.

0:42:410:42:45

In a short while I'm going to be looking at some images, some

0:42:450:42:48

serene, some of them quite disturbing, so disturbing you are

0:42:480:42:50

not allowed to see them.

0:42:500:42:52

We will see what it does to my brain, then I

0:42:520:42:54

will be allowed to go off and meditate and then repeat the

0:42:540:42:57

process, and see if doing so makes any difference to the electrical

0:42:570:43:00

activity going on inside my brain.

0:43:000:43:01

It should be interesting.

0:43:010:43:11

The extreme pictures I am shown should create measurable shock waves

0:43:120:43:15

of activity in my brain that Peter can record.

0:43:150:43:18

Although I had been forewarned, some of the images are

0:43:180:43:21

disturbing and provoke a strong reaction,

0:43:210:43:22

which can be seen in the

0:43:220:43:24

electrical activity in my brain.

0:43:240:43:31

Next, I'm going to practice mindfulness for five minutes and

0:43:310:43:34

then I'm going to be shown the images again.

0:43:340:43:38

These particular images have been chosen as tests

0:43:380:43:40

have shown that they would normally produce

0:43:400:43:41

a consistent reaction in the

0:43:410:43:42

brain each time they are shown.

0:43:420:43:45

But does mindfulness make a difference

0:43:450:43:48

to the way my brain responds?

0:43:480:43:52

Thank you.

0:43:530:43:55

That was quite hard work.

0:43:550:43:58

It was also really interesting.

0:43:580:44:00

Some of the photographs were very extreme.

0:44:000:44:01

When I was doing it the first time I did

0:44:010:44:04

wince a lot.

0:44:040:44:05

When I did it while I was practicing mindfulness, it felt

0:44:050:44:08

more abstract, if you like.

0:44:080:44:10

It will be really interesting to see what

0:44:100:44:12

the effects on my brain were.

0:44:120:44:22

This is while you are just taking in the pictures.

0:44:220:44:25

You are not in the state of mindfulness.

0:44:250:44:27

With the neutral pictures, the black lines,

0:44:270:44:28

there is not a strong response.

0:44:280:44:30

With the pleasant pictures, you see a

0:44:300:44:32

stronger brain response and for the unpleasant pictures,

0:44:320:44:34

the strongest brain response.

0:44:340:44:36

Once you induce a state of mindfulness, what we see is

0:44:360:44:41

that the three conditions cannot be distinguished anymore.

0:44:410:44:43

The brain processes them in the same way.

0:44:430:44:46

Isn't this a bad thing, I'm becoming robotic,

0:44:460:44:48

I am not longer in touch with my feelings?

0:44:480:44:52

If you were only able to be in this state, I would say yes,

0:44:520:44:55

but what our data clearly show is that you have

0:44:550:44:58

the freedom to engage or not engage.

0:44:580:44:59

So it's basically up to you to decide,

0:44:590:45:01

now I want to engage in a

0:45:010:45:03

mindful way and let neutral positive negative just pass by without

0:45:030:45:10

engaging with it or you decide this is something that is important to

0:45:100:45:13

me, I engage with it.

0:45:130:45:14

And through the practice apparently you have

0:45:140:45:16

gained the freedom to do one or the other.

0:45:160:45:18

That's very encouraging.

0:45:180:45:19

I can be happy.

0:45:190:45:20

You should be.

0:45:200:45:22

Neutral.

0:45:220:45:27

That was impressive, a few minutes of meditation and you could

0:45:270:45:30

see a

0:45:300:45:40

see a big effect.

0:45:420:45:52

But what about the real world, what effect does mindfulness

0:46:040:46:07

have an positive mental health?

0:46:070:46:08

To find out, I've invited a

0:46:080:46:09

specialist from Oxford University to talk me through the recent explosion

0:46:090:46:12

of scientific studies on mindfulness.

0:46:120:46:13

His name is Professor Willem Kuyken.

0:46:130:46:15

Now, you run the mindfulness centre at Oxford, so you have

0:46:150:46:17

a

0:46:170:46:18

vested interest, don't you, in

0:46:180:46:20

talking about effectiveness?

0:46:200:46:21

Do you think you can be impartial this

0:46:210:46:22

regard?

0:46:220:46:23

I'm also a scientist.

0:46:230:46:24

I'm a scientist in terms of trying to ask

0:46:240:46:27

good important questions using the very best

0:46:270:46:28

methodology I can, and

0:46:280:46:29

then reporting what I find responsibly.

0:46:290:46:31

What's the evidence it's effective, and if so, for what?

0:46:310:46:33

So the evidence is strongest in the area I work in,

0:46:330:46:36

which is recurring depression.

0:46:360:46:37

There have been at least ten randomised controlled trials now

0:46:370:46:39

suggesting that mindfulness-based cognitive therapy is an effective

0:46:390:46:41

treatment to help people with a long history of depression stay well.

0:46:410:46:44

As effective as other active treatments.

0:46:440:46:45

How do you think it works?

0:46:450:46:47

What happens with recurring depression is very small shards of

0:46:470:46:49

experience, thoughts, feelings, can quickly

0:46:490:46:51

spiralled downwards.

0:46:510:46:51

What mindfulness enables people to do is

0:46:510:46:53

to see that happening.

0:46:530:46:54

To see that unfolding, to step back and respond

0:46:540:46:56

in different and more resilient ways.

0:46:560:46:58

What about something like anxiety or insomnia.

0:46:580:46:59

With anxiety, I'd say it's much more mixed.

0:46:590:47:01

But there is some good, promising

0:47:010:47:03

evidence for insomnia.

0:47:030:47:04

So there is a huge industry out there from five

0:47:040:47:06

maybe ten minute apps, to going on a full

0:47:060:47:08

course of say 12 weeks.

0:47:080:47:10

Is there any evidence that the short cut stuff is all effective?

0:47:100:47:12

There have been some systematic reviews,

0:47:120:47:16

metro-analyses, online, web-based mindfulness courses

0:47:160:47:18

do lead to less space, best depression, less

0:47:180:47:28

do lead to less stress, best depression, less

0:47:290:47:31

anxiety.

0:47:310:47:32

You cannot reach the population of people who might

0:47:320:47:34

benefit from something to offering courses and one-to-one therapy.

0:47:340:47:36

The way to reach them is through larger

0:47:360:47:38

media, like the Internet, like apps.

0:47:380:47:39

What benefit would someone like me get from doing it?

0:47:390:47:42

I'm not depressed, I'm occasionally anxious

0:47:420:47:43

and I'm occasionally an insomniac.

0:47:430:47:44

I think very many of us spend quite a

0:47:440:47:46

bit of our time on automatic pilot and we sometimes do and say things

0:47:460:47:50

we perhaps regret, I think all of us bring a bit more awareness to our

0:47:500:47:53

life, can maybe respond to our life with more wisdom, a little bit more

0:47:530:47:57

skilful nest.

0:47:570:48:02

skilfulness.

0:48:020:48:03

Willem certainly makes a compelling case for mindfulness,

0:48:030:48:05

particularly in the context of recurring depression.

0:48:050:48:07

So should I try mindfulness?

0:48:070:48:11

What I would say is that if you do it, you'll probably

0:48:110:48:14

get a lot of benefit, but it's a bit like exercise.

0:48:140:48:17

Many people start enthusiastically and then give up.

0:48:170:48:19

The real challenge with mindfulness is to find a way to build it into

0:48:190:48:22

your life and keep on going.

0:48:220:48:24

Some mindfulness -based therapies are

0:48:240:48:29

available on the NHS, but they may not be

0:48:290:48:32

suitable for everyone, so

0:48:320:48:33

take advice from your GP.

0:48:330:48:37

While there is some evidence online tools

0:48:370:48:39

can be effective, detailed research is still lacking.

0:48:390:48:41

You'll find more information on our website.

0:48:410:48:44

On our website you can send in the health

0:48:440:48:46

questions you'd most like to see answered.

0:48:460:48:56

Are there any natural alternatives to HRT?

0:48:580:49:08

Over to Gabriel.

0:49:100:49:12

Hormone replacement therapy or HRT, is prescribed for women

0:49:120:49:15

during the menopause.

0:49:150:49:18

Now, this is that time in a woman's life, usually

0:49:180:49:20

between the age of 45 and 55, when the body stops producing enough

0:49:200:49:24

oestrogen and progesterone to release an egg and the periods come

0:49:240:49:29

to an end.

0:49:290:49:38

But oestrogen and isn't just important for reproduction, it

0:49:410:49:43

also protects us against osteoporosis, and may even have a

0:49:430:49:45

role to play in maintaining our mental health.

0:49:450:49:47

Having lower levels of these hormones can also cause unpleasant

0:49:470:49:50

symptoms that some women suffer for years

0:49:500:49:53

before the menopause, and they

0:49:530:49:56

can continue for years after periods have stopped.

0:49:560:49:59

HRT can help alleviate the symptoms but it's not suitable

0:49:590:50:02

for everybody.

0:50:020:50:05

In particular, women with a history of breast cancer are

0:50:050:50:07

recommended not to use it, because oestrogen stimulates

0:50:070:50:09

the growth of breast cells.

0:50:090:50:16

Aside from this, there are lots of women who would

0:50:160:50:19

simply prefer to try natural remedies.

0:50:190:50:21

There are over 200 treatments on offer for symptoms of

0:50:210:50:23

the menopause.

0:50:230:50:25

Many are heavily marketed supplements, however,

0:50:250:50:27

there's very little evidence any of them

0:50:270:50:28

are effective, and some have

0:50:280:50:32

been found to interfere with the prescribed medication or nasty

0:50:320:50:35

side-effects.

0:50:350:50:39

Some of the most popular remedies are ones to be wary

0:50:390:50:42

of.

0:50:420:50:43

Evening primrose oil can interfere with other drugs for blood

0:50:430:50:46

pressure, cancer and diabetes.

0:50:460:50:48

Ginseng can cause bleeding and breast pain.

0:50:480:50:52

High doses of vitamin each may give you stomach cramp,

0:50:520:51:00

High doses of vitamin E may give you stomach cramp,

0:51:000:51:03

blurred vision and even an increased risk of stroke.

0:51:030:51:05

Black Cohosh might reduce hot flushes and night sweats,

0:51:050:51:07

but there is a risk of damage to the liver.

0:51:070:51:11

And St John's Wort might

0:51:110:51:12

improve mood, but interacts with many medications.

0:51:120:51:15

And remember, if you buy herbal supplements, always make

0:51:150:51:18

sure you look for that THR mark which ensures the product complies

0:51:180:51:20

with the quality and safety standards.

0:51:200:51:22

But there are some cheaper and possibly more effective

0:51:220:51:32

things than these you can try.

0:51:380:51:48

One of these is soy.

0:51:540:51:55

There's some research that suggests that

0:51:550:51:57

particular foods might have a

0:51:570:51:58

beneficial effect.

0:51:580:51:59

One of these is soy.

0:51:590:52:00

It's rich natural substances called isoflavones, that behave

0:52:000:52:02

similarly to oestrogen in our bodies.

0:52:020:52:03

Isoflavones can also be found in tofu, soy beans and soy

0:52:030:52:06

milk and fermented soy bean miso paste.

0:52:060:52:08

But not in soy sauce.

0:52:080:52:09

Studies have shown that in Asia, where women eat about ten times more

0:52:090:52:12

soy than women in the West, the symptoms of menopause, such as hot

0:52:120:52:15

flushes, tend to be far less severe.

0:52:150:52:17

Another good source of isoflavones is flaxseed.

0:52:170:52:19

More research is needed, but it's thought soy or flax

0:52:190:52:22

might help in about a third of Western women and that unlike HRT,

0:52:220:52:25

it doesn't carry any increased risk of breast cancer.

0:52:250:52:29

There are alternatives for HRT and one of them

0:52:290:52:31

might work for you, but this is my basic advice.

0:52:310:52:35

Before taking any new supplement, do talk to your GP.

0:52:350:52:40

Do your best to get as much exercise and rest as possible.

0:52:400:52:47

And consider adding soy or flax seeds to your

0:52:470:52:49

diet.

0:52:490:52:50

They are not going to harm you, they might help, and they are

0:52:500:52:53

definitely tasty.

0:52:530:53:02

In a Newcastle, are ambitious trial to test if

0:53:020:53:05

turmeric affects our health has come to an end.

0:53:050:53:07

Of nearly 100 participants, a third have been

0:53:070:53:09

taking turmeric powder for six weeks, a third the same amount of

0:53:090:53:14

turmeric as a supplement and the third a placebo pill.

0:53:140:53:17

And they've had mixed experiences.

0:53:170:53:19

I took turmeric powder.

0:53:190:53:21

Awful.

0:53:210:53:24

It's not normally part of my diet.

0:53:240:53:26

When I first started cooking with it I was

0:53:260:53:29

quite surprised what the taste was like.

0:53:290:53:31

We've brought together researchers working together at the

0:53:310:53:33

forefront of their fields to help us find out whether turmeric really can

0:53:330:53:36

reduce immune system problems like allergies or even help

0:53:360:53:40

protect us from cancer.

0:53:400:53:42

First up, the test that Newcastle University developed to

0:53:420:53:46

assess the health of their immune systems.

0:53:460:53:48

Doctor Anthony Watson, and

0:53:480:53:50

Doctor Kirsten Brandt, are here to present results.

0:53:500:53:53

And they've found that stress on everyone's immune

0:53:530:53:56

system increased over the six weeks.

0:53:560:54:01

It was no difference whether you were taking the white

0:54:010:54:06

capsules with the placebo or the brown ones with

0:54:060:54:08

the real turmeric, or you are cooking with it.

0:54:080:54:11

There wasn't any difference between the placebo group

0:54:110:54:14

and the group who were...

0:54:140:54:15

Cooking with this stuff?

0:54:150:54:16

Yes.

0:54:160:54:18

The fact everyone's immune system became a

0:54:180:54:21

little more stressed could be because the weather became sunnier

0:54:210:54:24

during the trial, something known to affect immunity.

0:54:240:54:30

But the fact the placebo group changed as much as the

0:54:300:54:32

other two shows it wasn't the turmeric making the difference.

0:54:320:54:36

Next to the test we did looking at

0:54:360:54:39

changes in the methylation of their DNA.

0:54:390:54:44

This brand-new test developed by University College London has

0:54:440:54:46

never been used in a study like this before.

0:54:460:54:48

Professor Martin Widschwendter shares the results for

0:54:480:54:51

the three groups.

0:54:510:54:52

What did you find?

0:54:520:54:54

We didn't find any changes in the placebo

0:54:540:54:56

group between before and

0:54:560:54:57

after six weeks.

0:54:570:55:07

The supplements group didn't show any

0:55:070:55:08

difference, but the powder group definitely showed quite substantial

0:55:080:55:12

differences between the pre-and post-turmeric exposure.

0:55:120:55:14

Interesting.

0:55:140:55:16

Placebo no effect, supplements no effect, but turmeric

0:55:160:55:17

powder definitely an effect.

0:55:170:55:20

Yes, that was really, really quite exciting, to be

0:55:200:55:22

honest.

0:55:220:55:26

And we found one particular gene which showed the

0:55:260:55:29

biggest difference and what we know is that this gene is involved in

0:55:290:55:32

three specific diseases.

0:55:320:55:42

One is depression and anxiety.

0:55:420:55:43

OK.

0:55:430:55:44

One is asthma and eczema and the third is cancer.

0:55:440:55:46

Quite interestingly, and this is really

0:55:460:55:48

striking, is that those are

0:55:480:55:49

the three entities, that we know turmeric is affecting in a positive

0:55:490:55:52

way.

0:55:520:56:00

That is very impressive, isn't it.

0:56:000:56:02

Do you like turmeric?

0:56:020:56:03

I'm sure I would!

0:56:030:56:04

This is a really significant change in a gene associated with

0:56:040:56:06

conditions that turmeric has been rumoured to improve.

0:56:060:56:08

It is something that has never been seen before and it is an exciting

0:56:080:56:12

finding and it happened after only six weeks.

0:56:120:56:15

But why did we see a

0:56:150:56:25

change only in those cooking with turmeric?

0:56:300:56:31

Not those taking it as a

0:56:310:56:33

supplement.

0:56:330:56:34

Dr Kirsten Brandt explains.

0:56:340:56:35

So the food with the turmeric in it is somehow making a difference it

0:56:350:56:38

could be that the way we are cooking, adding fats,

0:56:380:56:41

heating it up, so it is becoming more soluble, that

0:56:410:56:43

might make it easier tor us to take up the turmeric, that inspires us to

0:56:430:56:47

might make it easier for us to take up the turmeric, that inspires us to

0:56:470:56:50

say, we should probably use more turmeric in our cooking that then we

0:56:500:56:53

did before!

0:56:530:56:54

Many things can effect how much of a substance we absorb in

0:56:540:56:57

our bodies, it seems that in the case of turmeric, the good stuff

0:56:570:57:00

might only get into our blood when it is combined with other foods,

0:57:000:57:07

These results have changed our volunteer's opinion of

0:57:070:57:09

the spice.

0:57:090:57:10

The results surprised me that the natural form was the best

0:57:100:57:14

one but probably is a bit obvious, when you

0:57:140:57:16

think about it, having a natural one, rather

0:57:160:57:18

than having it put in a

0:57:180:57:19

capsule.

0:57:190:57:20

Whether I can have it as much in as high a dose under normal

0:57:200:57:30

circumstances, I don't know but yes, I will certainly keep using it.

0:57:300:57:33

I think I might add turmeric to my food!

0:57:330:57:35

Our experiment has been a

0:57:350:57:36

resounding success.

0:57:360:57:37

We've been able to show that cooking with turmeric

0:57:370:57:39

can affect our bodies at the level of gene, and inparticular,

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the gene linked to cancer and other ills ins,

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the gene linked to cancer and other illnesses,

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in doing so, with have turned researcher's new understanding of

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DNA mmethylation to a practical benefit.

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DNA methylation to a practical benefit.

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Now that was the most ambitious experiment we have ever

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attempted on Trust Me.

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I thought that the results were absolutely

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fascinating.

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We have shown, for what I think is the first time, what a

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small change in our diet can alter the methylation of the genes, which

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in turn we know is associated with your risk of cancer.

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And the great thing is that the techniques used in

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this test could be used to taste a whole range of other

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things, not just turmeric.

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It's a fantastic way to end this series of Trust Me but

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don't worry, we will be back.

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In the meantime why not visit our website, where you can

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volunteer for experiments and find out more

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the things we have done in

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this series.

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