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This is Business Live from BBC News with Sally Bundock and Aaron

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Up for sale: Tata Steel says it plans

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to sell its loss-making business in the UK,

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putting thousands of steel jobs at risk.

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Live from London, that's our top story on Wednesday,

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Union leaders are calling for emergency talks

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with the British Prime Minister after Tata says trading conditions

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What now for Port Talbot and the UK steel industry?

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We'll be live to the Tata headquarters for the latest.

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Also in the programme.

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India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi is meeting with EU leaders

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in Brussels - the hope is trade talks can be re-energised.

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the US dollar is sinking and so is the price of oil -

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but markets across Europe have opened higher.

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We'll talk you through the winners and losers.

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And we talk to the man behind Ella's Kitchen -

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that's a UK-based baby food company which has become an international

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If you want to get in touch, we've love to hear from you.

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As ever, it's a packed show so let's get started.

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India's Tata Steel says it plans to sell its loss-making UK business,

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putting the jobs of thousands of workers at risk.

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Union leaders had travelled to Mumbai in a bid to persuade Tata

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too keep making steel at plants, including Port Talbot.

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The struggling steel works is estimated to be losing

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Tata says conditions have rapidly deteriorated due to the global

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oversupply of steel, high costs and currency volatility.

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Labour Member of Parliament Stephen Kinnock, whose constituency includes

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the Port Talbot plant, accompanied the union

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The indication was that the turnaround plan was not

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acceptable to the board and so then you have to look at other options.

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That's something that will move forward, I think,

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As we know the long products part of the business

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I think there's a lot of confidence that

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a buyer will be found and all of the options are now

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being explored and the European board of Tata Steel has

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Sameer Hashmi is in the BBC's Mumbai bureau.

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Good to see you. As you very well know, a huge story in Britain and a

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rather emotive story as well but for the company, this particular plant

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in Wales was losing nearly $1.5 million a day. I can only imagine

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the company and the board saying that they had no option, they can't

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keep running at those kind of losses. They have been toying with

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the idea for a while now. They took over the UK operations in 2007 after

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they bought Corus but they have struggled to make any kind of money

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from the beginning. It was the 2008 downturn and in the last few years,

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demand has fallen, global demand for steel. What has made operations

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really difficult for them and the market conditions really difficult

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are the cheap Chinese imports. If you talk to Tata Steel officials,

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they will tell you there's no way can compete with China. They will

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find it really difficult, even in the coming years, to find any new

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buyers which could help prop up the sales. And they also don't see

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demand for steel going up. If you look at the two main reasons behind

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that, you clearly realise that Tata Steel see no future in terms of

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making any kind of money when it comes to the UK and even Europe if

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you look at the big picture. I know the union leaders travel to Mumbai

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and they were there yesterday at headquarters and had all sorts of

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ideas and plans for restructuring. There is now talk that there would

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be a sale but also possibly the workforce might team up and try to

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buyout this part of the business. Various ideas being mooted now. Yes,

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there are all sorts of talks and options being considered. Will the

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UK Government intervene in some form? The Tatas have been talking to

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the government for a while with the government with some kind of rescue

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package coming in with the rules from the UK Government which is an

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option the Tatas have not closed entirely. Although they want to sell

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UK operations completely, they realise that realistically speaking,

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it won't be possible any time in the near future because of market

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conditions. Even a partial sale of the operations, some help from the

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UK Government or some other investor, they are looking at all

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the options. I think the key point is, they are not shutting operations

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but they have not given any clear timeline either as to when they are

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really going to wait until. That is the key question. If they don't find

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a buyer in the next year or so, or in the near future, what will they

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do? Wait longer? Could they go back to look at the whole option shutting

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it down again? That is the key question which is still unanswered.

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Thank you for joining us. That is the latest from the bike and there

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is so much detail online on this story. Take a look when you have

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time. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi

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is in Brussels to begin talks with EU leaders in an attempt

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to restart stalled negotiations Trade between the two is worth more

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than $81 billion a year. India would like to have greater

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access to the single market - particularly for its IT

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and out sourcing industries. particularly for its IT

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and outsourcing industries. While the EU would like to see heavy

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import duties on cars made Boeing says it will cut more

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than 4,500 jobs by June. The plane-maker says it's

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accelerating its cost-cutting The move comes despite record

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orders for Boeing's jets. The group has recently been losing

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market share to rival Airbus. More trouble for Brazil's

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President Dilma Rousseff. The PMDB, the largest party

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in the ruling coalition, has voted for an "immediate exit"

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from her government. The move could hasten

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impeachment proceedings against President Rousseff,

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who the opposition want to remove over claims she manipulated accounts

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to hide a growing deficit. The embattled president has now

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cancelled a trip to attend a summit She has got stuff to deal with at

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home. A lot on her plate. I very nicely did this, a lot on her plate

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and a lot of money on this man's plate. I'm trying to find him. Look

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at that, the Google boss, Sundar Pichai, got $100 million in his

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first year at the helm. I know it's a big company but seriously?

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Interesting to look back on their last 12 months and what they have

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achieved. Of the top of my head, I don't know if their earnings have

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been in those kind of figures. But if you were a Google shareholder and

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you knew he was paid that much, you would want to know you are getting

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value for money. It also just makes you think that we took the wrong

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path! Seriously. We have both been here a very long

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time. Let's take a look round the world

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at what's business stories China's big four state-run

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banks are set to report And it's not expected

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to be good news. Ashleigh Nghiem is

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in Singapore for us. This will give us an indication of

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their health or otherwise of the banks, right? That's right, it's a

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very different story to the Google boss! We had a bit of an idea

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yesterday with the data out from China's fifth largest bank, the Bank

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Of Communications where profits rose about 1% and we are likely to see

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the same sort of result from the big four lenders which report today and

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tomorrow. There profits are respected B-flat. The banks are

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owned by the Chinese garment and their main road was our other state

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owned enterprises. Chinese regulators last year flagged up that

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non-performing loans were at a 10-year high, at a whopping $195

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billion. They are trying to find ways for China's big banks to swap

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their debt to the shares. That is not going down very well. In the

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past 17 months, China's Central bank has cut interest rates six times

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which is limiting profits and squeezing the margins. So we must of

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course keep an eye out for the banks when they report and we will update

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you when we hear from China's four biggest banks.

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But now, the markets around the world and in Asia it was all about

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reaction to Janet Yellen, the US chair of the Federal Reserve, giving

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her speech about the state of the US economy and the global economy and

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what it means for future interest-rate decisions. So caution

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was the word from her. The dollar has gone down, the price of oil has

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gone down and also Japan went down because the yen strengthened

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significantly so goods made in Japan sold overseas are that much more

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extended to buy is a big players in Japan had a tough day. But elsewhere

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across the board in Asia, they were really pleased with what Janet

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Yellen had to say. Looking at markets across Europe, gains right

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across the board as well. Let's look head to the day on Wall Street as

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well with Michelle. The question this Wednesday is can

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the latest Janet Yellen rally last more than an after union? Federal

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Reserve J Janet Yellen gave what was widely interpreted as a dovish

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speech in New York on Tuesday which broke US stocks higher and the

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dollar lower. Wednesday's trading should give us a clue as to whether

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Janet Yellen has fundamentally shifted Wall Street's expectations

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or if that was just a blip. Elsewhere, traders can take a look

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at the payroll company ADP's gauge of the US job market and the

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government's data is likely to show that the economy is continuing to

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create jobs at a healthy pace, whatever slight worries about the

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outlook Janet Yellen may be feeling. There's also earnings from the

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world's biggest cruise operator, Carnival. Let's stay with the

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markets with Richard Hunter. I guess let's stick with what Michelle said,

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which is kind of the dominating factor at the moment, anyway, one

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big part of the market is Janet Yellen, the big boss of the American

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central bank. Not as gung ho as she was a few months ago, right? It

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remains the world's largest economy but there are still questions over

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China, let alone anywhere else. And so a lot of investors are looking to

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the US for comfort. This is why it is so important, whenever she stand

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up to speak, people are trying to read between the lines of what she

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is saying. Easy to read between the lines this time because she brought

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quite a bit of clarity. She did and the US markets were fairly positive

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overnight. One of the things is perhaps the US economy is now strong

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enough to withstand a further interest rate hike. Perhaps even

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when it comes, it is still going to be on a pretty gradual basis. She's

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not looking to deal rate -- to derail any recovery and sentiment

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has certainly improved since where we were in mid-February. The FTSE

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this morning, given the current games we are seeing, it is now down

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well under 1% in the year-to-date which is a rather different

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situation than we saw earlier in the year. Looking ahead to Friday, we

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used to say it is the all-important US jobs numbers, the payroll. But

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are we at a point now where the number is important but not as

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important as it used to be because we are looking at other things now

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like inflation and productivity. You are absolutely right, the 200,000

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headline figure that markets like disease seems to be entrenched. The

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unemployment rate is still clearly under control. It absolutely about

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productivity. When it starts to tighten, that is when we didn't get

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into some kind of inflation which is what everybody wants. When rates

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going up again in the US? Probably June. I'm going to write that down.

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You will come back and take us through the papers. We will see you

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shortly. Still to come. We hear from the man who setup

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a UK-based baby food company which has become

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an international hit. You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. Let's get more reaction to the news

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that India's Tata Steel is to sell its loss-making UK

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business, putting the jobs The UK and Welsh governments have

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said they are working "tirelessly" to ensure the future

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of the British steel industry, but unions say the once-proud

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industry is "on the verge Ben has been following this story

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this morning, and he's Good to see you, Ben, and also

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reports are suggesting that the government has not ruled out

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possible state control or something of that nature, right? Yes, it is

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very early days. The amounts and that we got overnight that the

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future is in doubt for the UK steel plants so big question is already

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about the future of the entire industry in the UK. The Port Talbot

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side, the biggest in the UK. To get a hint of about what might happen to

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it, we have to look to Scunthorpe because the Tata Steel plant their

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is currently on the table and a private equity firm is in talks to

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buy it. They would buy it and run it as a going concern. A lot of people

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looking at that is one option. No deal yet but they said the talks and

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progress is on track. But also questions about whether the

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government could get involved and whether there could be full

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nationalisation or if they could take an equity stake in it to try to

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prop it up with some cash. Already, questions about whether the current

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management at Port Talbot could do a management buyout, to run the

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business by injecting some cash and running it themselves. Lots of

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options on the table but the big question which is the most viable? I

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spoke to one expert at it earlier and this is what he told me.

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One obvious option would be for the government to buy it out right. That

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would have one great attraction. If they don't do that, the order book

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from Port Talbot words ever way to the other Tata plant. That would be

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one stop gap action. But in the longer run, a management buyout and

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workforce buyout, would be one option but somebody would have to be

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there with deep pockets. It is deep pockets they would need. It needs

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modernising and restructuring. Early days about what would happen, but

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the future of that is in doubt. Our top story today is Tata steel has

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decided it will put its UK operations up for sale. Thousands of

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steel jobs are hanging in the balance. A lot more on that online.

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Imagine quitting your job as a TV executive to setup your own company

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which becomes a global baby food brand in just a decade.

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Ella's Kitchen started life ten years ago and now enjoys an annual

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The company sells its products across 40 markets including the US,

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Paul Lindley trained as an accountant and worked his way

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up to being deputy managing director at Nickelodeon before deciding

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Great to have you. Thanks for all the baby food Ruddock 's, by the

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way. Not want! Let me ask you this, you set up this company to help

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tackle childhood obesity. I am not a father, but surrounded by lots of

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kids, this is baby food! The obesity problems is not with kids? It is,

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from the early stages if you introduce them to vegetables, then

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fruit and organic food from the very beginning, they will have that

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relationship for the rest of their lives with the food. It is what I

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started with, purpose and proffered together. Build a profitable

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business but also have a purpose behind it. Talk us through that

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journey. You were an accountant, then you are working at a kid's TV

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channel. He became a dad and have two children, then you start a

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business making food. How did you know it would become profitable

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eventually because you ploughed a lot of your savings into this? You

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don't know, because that is the risk. Entrepreneurs have to have a

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passion for what they do, a belief in what they are doing and the

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service they are providing. They have got to have some creativity.

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Otherwise everybody would be doing it. We created brand-new innovation

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in the packaging and made it different. The third thing is about

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the consumer and understanding the consumers as best as possible. That

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is what we did. You were quoted in an interview to Forbes magazine, you

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advise entrepreneurs to think like a toddler, what are you mean by that?

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So inspired by toddlers, they are all caught demographic and consumer.

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What they do, they look at the world with open eyes and they are not

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prejudiced by anything. They are more honest than we are as adults so

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they don't miss communicate. They are more creative and can think

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laterally. The world of toddlers, so much we could learn as an adult. We

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are writing a book about it and it will be published next year. If I

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could talk about Ella's Kitchen, the food products. I know it really

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well, I have three boys and it was great for me at the time when I was

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in a hurry and I wanted to feed my kids what I thought was healthy

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food. You package it really well, list what is in it, rockabilly,

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mashed potato and a bit of strawberry. Our use selling to the

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wrong set of parents, in the sense that the children that might perhaps

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struggle with issues of obesity and diabetes, or problems with food,

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might not necessarily be the middle-class, yummy mummies, who I

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know well that I using your products? About a third of our kids

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are overweight and 20% are obese. It covers all parts of society. Ella's

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Kitchen is sold in all supermarkets across the country and in 40

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countries around the world. We can't have the market share we have in the

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UK by just going to one demographic. But we do predominately sell our

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products across the range. There are parts of the country we don't reach.

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We use our credibility and influence what we have built up and out which

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two other areas. In Leicester, couple of years ago we had this

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project across a month where we gave free meals to kids at nurseries, we

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had dieticians in supermarkets to help people shop. We gave cooking

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lessons at food ranks in the Market Square. All designed to encourage a

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change in behaviour. We need a behaviour change in this country. To

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companies like you stop us from cooking? You make it too easy. We

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want to improve children's lives. We produce cookbooks about cooking from

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scratch, about the joy of encouraging your toddler to build a

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shopping list, have fun in the supermarket, get the food out of the

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oven when it is warm and they have cooked it. They are all involved

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together. Involving people from scratch is what we are about. We

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will have to leave it there, unfortunately, but we appreciate you

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coming in. So you are surrounded by kids, Aaron? Yes, lots of nieces and

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nephews. I thought you meant the people here.

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In a moment we'll take a look through the Business Pages but first

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False Lagan facing a 15 billion dollar hit over false advertising

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claim. ! Volts wagon. When the scandal of the emissions broke, one

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of the concerns investors had, wiped 40% of the share price quickly and

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over any period of time, a number of lawsuits would be coming through.

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It's not dissimilar to what we saw with BP and that took five or six

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years for the lawsuits to come through and this is one of those

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coming through in The States as what they consider misleading.

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There will be more. Someone trying to gauge the cost of this to a

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company, like we were, trying to total it up, we didn't hint it had a

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TV advertising campaign to cause people to sue. You are right, some

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of the speculation around the cumulative amount of the lawsuit

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that could be coming from all sorts of unexpected corners, could exceed

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the value of the company. That is one of the great unknown is that has

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been a concern. And also Volkswagon having problems with its electric

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them? Yes, fault in the batteries them? Yes, fault in the batteries

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that is making the car stalled. While it is driving, it could stall?

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Absolutely. It is a difficult time for Volkswagon. This time yesterday,

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we didn't make it on there because we were rolling with the unfolding

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drama in Larnaca airport in Cyprus where an aircraft was forced to land

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by what they thought was a hijacker. Didn't turn out to be, but it wasn't

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the mad bomber everybody thought. Here is this British guy who

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decides, I am going to take a quick photo with the bomber. What do you

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think? It has got to be a caption competition. Get me out of here! I

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am not a celebrity, get me of this claim.

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