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This is Business Live from BBC News with Ben Thompson and Sally Bundock.

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The bids are due but will anyone stump up the big bucks the

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Live from London, that's our top story on 19th April.

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Yahoo's up for sale but what is it really worth?

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As the troubled internet firm prepares to release yet more

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disappointing numbers, we get the lowdown on the runners

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and riders vying to take over the company.

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Argentina tangos its way back into the international money markets

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- the South American nation was exiled in 2001 after defaulting

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And the trading day has begun in Europe and, as you can see,

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all the main markets are headed much higher after a bumper ride in Asia -

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And is cheap oil good news, or bad for the Gulf's

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We get the inside track on Emirates from boss Sir Tim Clark.

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And a new study says if you're over 40 you should only

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It says anything more than a 25-hour week

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No hope for me according to that report, my brain is Bush!

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Yahoo - it's one of the best known brands on the internet,

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a billion people use it each month and it is home to much-loved

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web properties such as Flickr and Tumblr.

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Despite the name recognition, Yahoo is still a byword for decline

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and later today is expected to release yet more bad

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numbers as the firm looks for potential buyers.

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In January, Yahoo reported fourth-quarter earnings of $166m,

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Shares have slumped 30% since the end of 2014.

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But despite that, it's thought around 40 firms initially expressed

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interest in buying all or part of the tech giant.

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So why is Yahoo so attractive and looking for a buyer?

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In the US, Yahoo is still the third most visited online site, attracting

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In the US, its news and sports sites are read by about 25% of

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And it's those sorts of numbers that have attracted the likes of Verizon

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and the Daily Mail - who see Yahoo as a potential way

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to boost video and advertising figures for their own businesses.

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With me is analyst Matti Littunen from media research

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Good morning, Sally ran through the front runners there, the Daily Mail

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possibly making a bit, it would have to pair up with somebody to afford

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it, but the rise coming out as a frontrunner. What would they get out

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of this? It is about knowing who customers are, isn't it? Yes, Yahoo

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has great audience reach. Unfortunately for Yahoo, reach a

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alone is not enough, you have to have a large audience but also need

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to know the audience. There is an is banking on its 112 million US mobile

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subscribers to provide that insight -- Verizon are relying on. They have

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got subscriber data, browsing data, they are no doubt hoping that would

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bring a much-needed boost. What is interesting when we look at

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companies like Google and Yahoo is that we tend to think of them as

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search engines, but ultimately they are advertising companies, they

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offer maps, Web services not because they want us to enjoy them but

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because they get advertising from them and that is the most lucrative

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bit of Yahoo's business? These sorts of utilities, Yahoo has many

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different types, it has search, mail, so on. They do many things,

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but the problem is that for each of these utilities someone else does it

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better. But where Yahoo is strong is having advertising technology

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designed to make money from these sorts of utilities. For example they

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have outsourced the technology behind their search, they still very

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much have the know-how on how to sell search. When we get news of who

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is going to buy it, no indication of when that might come, but do we

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expect the Yahoo brand will continue or will it be an asset stripping

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exercise, taking the bits of the business they want and the rest will

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be palmed off? It will depend on the type of buyer. Verizon it would be a

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question of what would be the best way to maintain Yahoo's audience. I

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would imagine some of the individual strong content brands like Flickr

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and Tumblr would stay, named the same. And things like Yahoo sports

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or finance would be less clear. OK, really good to talk to you. Thank

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you. Argentina has returned to

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the international borrowing markets. It's selling bonds after 15 years

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of exile since its debt The country is raising up

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to $15 billion but demand for the bond issue was strong

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and attracted orders worth Some of the money will go

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to repaying bondholders who opposed the terms of Argentina's debt

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restructuring after Netflix shares fell more than 9%

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in after-hours trading after the video streaming company

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forecast slower growth The company says it expects to add

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another 500,000 new customers in the US and 2 million around

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the world by the end of June. At the start of this year,

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Netflix began a global expansion The world's major steel producers

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have failed to agree to measures to tackle global overproduction,

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which has caused Officials from 30 countries met

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in Belgium to tackle the issue, but decided only that the problem

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needed to be dealt with 'swiftly'. Chinese officials bristled

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at suggestions its country The mining giant Rio Tinto has

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cut its iron ore production Globally, the industry

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is suffering from huge oversupply due to a decline

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in demand from steelmakers. Christine Hah has more

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for us in Singapore. Nice to see you, fill us in on

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reopen As yes, production has been cut but they are coming in very much

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in line with expectations -- fill us in on Rio.

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The first quarter came in as expected at about 84 million tonnes,

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and at this stage it is on track for a record 350 million tonnes in 2016.

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Remember I know accounts for almost half of Rio Tinto's revenues and

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they have taken a huge hit has prices have fallen amid the global

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supply glut. Every $1 change in price of iron ore prices means an

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estimated $260 million' change in revenue. Their share fires has

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fallen over 13% in the last year but the CEO is focused on keeping market

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share despite weaker profit margins. Thank you very much. Mining stocks

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did well and energy stocks did well, banks were doing all right today

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actually and Japan up nearly 3.7%. It has been a roller-coaster. This

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time yesterday we were down as much, it has been up and down by 3% plus

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the days. This is how things went the night before on Wall Street.

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Better than expected news from Morgan Stanley boosting the sector

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but also oil prices going up and up again. We will talk more about that

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in a minute but it is helping financial markets. Let's look at the

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European market Snapple stop across the board, steady as she goes, as it

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were -- let's look at the European markets now. Expectations were

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extremely low, and when you look at the numbers they are not so great.

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Michelle Fleury has the details about what's ahead

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The new earnings season is underway, US companies starting to turn in

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their results for the first three months of the year. There are some

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big technology names to watch out for, a slumping PC chip business is

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expected to take its toll on Intel, which reports after the market has

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closed. Yahoo's earnings will be overshadowed by questions about its

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future, who is interested in buying its Internet business? The potential

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sale comes after Yahoo abandoned plans to sell off its stake in

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Alibaba. Most markets are anticipating a decline in first

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quarter profits. We heard from some companies late on Monday, shares in

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the video streaming service Netflix fell after its earnings disappointed

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inspectors -- investors. Quarterly revenues for other companies

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continue to fall. As you can see, the man with a red

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braces, as he is known, Justin Urquhart Stewart, an economist, nice

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to see you. Let's talk oil, we heard a lot over

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the weekend about what they managed not to do in Gauhar, which was to

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agree a cap and try to stabilise prices somewhat, but they have

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bounced back a little -- in Doha. A line from Russia that we have just

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got in saying it will raise its output, so the opposite of what we

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were expecting, rising to 540 million tonnes. If nothing else it

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underlines the situation Russia has got, its reserves have been dropping

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dramatically because we have had Mr Putin going off on adventures in

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Syria, Ukraine, and we have had the financial blockages, the likes of

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Gazprom and others have been unable to refinance themselves. This is

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foreign exchange reserves we are talking about, money not oil? But it

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has an impact, where is the income coming? They are desperate to get

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more dollars coming in. Gazprom and others have had to go into the

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markets to borrow from the Chinese because they cannot go into

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international markets, the sanctions are beginning to bite. The price of

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oil today quite a bit up, and at the same time Argentina entering the

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market again, the bond market again, and it was seen there was a rush? It

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is strange, I go back to the days when Argentina and the rest of South

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America was going through that terrible time and we had to go

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through debt rescheduling that. They have just come out of their last

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perilous Government, perilous Government in Argentina are normally

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financially disastrous, and there was no change, it was disastrous,

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only regime has come in now and they can go back into the markets, they

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have agreed to pay the outstanding elements they have due. The move has

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given them a slight uptick in their credit rating. Argentina is in that

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face but Brazil, when you think not so long ago, totally the reverse.

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The sleeping giant was awaiting but the sleeping giant has now tripped

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over its self so its president is being breached, so Argentina has got

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a long way to go. Justin, you will be back, we will see you shortly to

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talk about the papers. The boss of Emirates tells us why

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the low oil price is good news and bad news for the Gulf's

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fast-growing airline industry. You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. The owner of Primark,

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Associated British Foods, has reported a 4% rise

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in half year profits. The group was boosted by strong

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performance in its sugar business. Profits at the discount retailer

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Primark were down for the period. Our business editor Simon Jack joins

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us from the Business Newsroom. Is it good or bad Ms?

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It is a funny business, Associated British Foods, it has food and

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retell, best known in the UK for owning Primark. Primark has bucked

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the trend is on the high street, always been growing sales and

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like-for-like sales. Today, even though sales were up 7%, they have

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opened a lot more space, counter to what other people are doing. If you

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look at their like-for-like, it is stripping out the effect of opening

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new stores, the statement says it is a particularly challenging outlook

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in the UK retail market. They say they made a good debut in the US.

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But even the mighty Primark is finding life tough on the UK high

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street. Let's turn our attention to beer and

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booze. A big merger deal means that Roni and courts are being off?

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Yes, a colossus of a company, one in three beers that you buy in the

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world you are buying from this new giant and the competition

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authorities wanted them to sell off a few bits and pieces, so Grolsch

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and Peroni are being sold by Japanese beer makers. They are

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looking to acquire overseas, so they are buying backward to and Peroni.

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The companies behind this want you to have grand -- brand loyalty, so

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this might not be the last of the disposal of assets, we might see

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some more assets being sold off there.

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OK, thank you very much. We will see more from him in later.

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Here is a fact for you, Pret has been talking about their food sales

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up just over 1.4%, ?676 million, the biggest selling ingredient in its

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sandwiches and salads is avocado, so there you go.

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Our top story: The deadline has now passed for firms to submit offers

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Around 40 companies initially expressed an interest in the company

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but it's thought only a handful have actually made bids for

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Troy has got his bid in. Is he one of the 40? Who knows?

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A quick look at the live page. The details are there including

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everything we've talked about relating to Argentina returning to

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the debt markets after the default in 2001. What that could mean for

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the international picture. But also keep your comments coming in. You

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can see the hashtag on the screen there.

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A new study suggests if you're over the age of 40 then you should only

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be work ago three-day week. Lots of comments from you already. Keep them

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coming in. We will discuss them later.

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I'm over 40! How many days a week do you do? Are you over 40? No. How

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dare you! I shouldn't work as much as Ben!

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All right, let's move on. It's just 30-years-old, but already

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one of the world's largest airlines and with an impressive marketing

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budget it's a well-known name at sports events,

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stadiums and events. In a moment we'll get

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the inside track from the airline's boss, but first let's take a look

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at how the company began. It was founded in 1985

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and flew its first routes out of Dubai with just two aircraft,

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but has since grown at an astonishing rate with a fleet

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of 230 aircraft, flying to 150 destinations

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in more than 80 countries. Last year, it reported a 40% jump

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in profits for the year, primarily But, the airline also faces

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criticism over allegations that it receives billions of dollars

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in illegal state subsidies and financial help from

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the Dubai government. That prompted some US airlines

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to call on lawmakers to restrict Emirates and other Gulf carriers'

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access to the US airspace. So how does it tackle all that

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political and economic turbulence? Our Business Editor went to meet

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the company's boss, Sir Tim Clark. We have a dashboard and it tells us

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what's going on where, And there are multiple red

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lights at the moment. We have a European situation,

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we have had these terrible events in Paris and Brussels which have

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started to cause demand to diminish, out of the Asian markets

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principally China, we have had advisories passed into these

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populations to say don't travel We have issues with regard

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to what is going on in Africa at the moment because we have got

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commodity price collapse, Collapse as well, these are all red

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lights that are flashing at us. The oil price obviously has fallen

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very significantly over the last For most airlines that

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would be great news. For a Gulf carrier, it is not quite

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as straightforward as that because obviously the wealth

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of the region is generated by oil. So is a low oil price

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a good or a bad thing? Well, of course, the drop in the oil

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price where we had 43% of our costs at one point were fuel,

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they are about half that now. We benefited from that,

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but of course, the airline industry races to the bottom with regard

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to its pricing and as a result all the fares have come down,

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the yields have fallen etcetera so it is a much better

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position than it was, but it is not as good people

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would think and you're right, as the oil producing Middle Eastern

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countries are having to deal with a 75% fall in the price

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of oil over the last three to five years,

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they have had to trim their economies, but you know,

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the economy still needs sustaining. Does that mean sheikhs

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are going in economy these days? No, my sheikh often

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travels in economy. He does indeed and I've travelled

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with him in economy as well. The US industry, some

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voices in the EU, complain that the competition isn't

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fair because in fact you are the recipient of state

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subsidies, what do you say to that? We have brought a new product

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to the market which is affordable and people really enjoy it

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and that has been seen Are you saying there has never been

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a penny of subsidy at any time? Into Emirates I would say

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categorically no. We have disclosed

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exactly what the Government of Dubai's involvement

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has been with us. Those are in our financial

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statements which are produced every year and on a fully

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transparent basis. I don't think we are going to be

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bullied into submission We will take it back to them

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as we did in the case A 350 page dossier which dealt

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with in a very granular nature with all of the issues that

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were thrown at us and I believe we We are waiting for a decision

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on extra capacity in the UK. Tell us what we are missing out

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on by not getting on with it The South East of England

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needs a third runway. If Heathrow had been allowed to grow

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in an unconstrained manner and it had the third or the fourth runway

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which it would have done under normal capacity demand,

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the airport would be 120 million, 130 million passengers today,

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not 70 or 72 million. So it would be almost

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double the size? It would have continued to grow

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at a pace that it had been used to and has been capped so they get

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might 2% or 3% more out it. The need has been identified

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and assessed and proven as far It is the most significant city

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on our network apart from Dubai. The United Kingdom is

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the most profitable. So you are agnostic

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about whether it is Heathrow For Emirates we will continue

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to operate to Heathrow We have managed to get an additional

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slot as we have done at Gatwick, but we are growing our

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operations as well. You could see actually

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Manchester and Birmingham. Birmingham is a fabulous airport

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and it is in the heart So they could be developed

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in the absence of Heathrow and Gatwick if it was

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me, I'd do the lot. The boss of Emirates, Sir Tim Clark.

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The Telegraph has been looking at the trade in fake goods which it

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says make up 2.5% of all international trade.

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If you're over 40 then your brain power could be harmed by working

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more than 25 hours or a three-day week. We are all in approval of that

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actually! We think it is a good idea. Justin is back as you can see.

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Justin and I are both over 40. We have established that I am not! You

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are saying that I have to work a longer week. Justin you are an

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employer as well. You have got quite a few members of staff. What do you

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think of this idea? You find people working part-time, tend to work

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harder. They have got an area of work they have to try and do. It

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creeps into the other hours that they are not at work. They get more

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for less? It is the flexibility and you have got people with flexible

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families, you need them to be flexible and you don't want to lose

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the talent. You have trained people up and they are good at what they do

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and they're going away. Why do you want that? Keep them involved and

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you find they are working extra time and the old unones like me just end

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up falling asleep in the corner! A lot of you getting in touch. Theo

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says, "40 is semi retirement, but that flies in the face of the fact

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that the retirement age is getting older and older." Another one, lots

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of you suggesting it is a great idea. John says if it is a European

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study, if so, it is the best thing to have come out of Brussels in a

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long time. John said, "Three days work, five days salary. I'm always

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pooped by Thursday anyway." More people are setting up their own

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businesses and you will see how flexible they are in that time

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because they run their businesses and often running two at the same

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time. It would be fascinating to see how that works out. Tony says, "This

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is why my brain hurts." Tony, it is only Tuesday.

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Justin, tell us about the counterfeit goods story, worth a

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quarter of a trillion pounds a year, so says the OECD. Something that's

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not on our radar much these days, counterfeit goods? They are talking

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about 2.5% of all international trade is fake goods or they are

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talking about across the Europe... For big bands there, is a hole in

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their profits basically, isn't it? Oh yeah. Big companies that are

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ripped off over the world. They have their own police forces going out

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and checking up on these. Certainly, some of my family in Indonesia, it

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is not what quality of fake do you want to have? Do you want a rubbish

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watch or a really good fake watch? The goods, well we all know it is

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footwear and leather wear, where are they coming from? China and Hong

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Kong. Other areas, but they are by far and away the worst culprits for

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it. Justin, thank you. Really nice to see you and thank you for your

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comments and suggestions about the three-day week! We think it is a

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great idea. We are both back tomorrow. See you then.

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We have got a quiet three or four days on the weather front. Today is

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not looking bad. If it has been cloudy, the clouds will be breaking

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