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This is Business Live from BBC News, with me, Sally Bundock,

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Are banks set to become a thing of the past?

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We take a look at Blockchain, the disruptive new technology

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that could revolutionise the way we move our money.

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Live from London, that's our focus on Friday 17th June.

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Blockchain is already at the heart of the Bitcoin network,

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but major financial companies are catching on fast.

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So how does it work, and is it the right tool that will

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We will make sense of this latest idea.

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Also in Business Live, Japan on edge about

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Finance Minister Taro Aso said today he's "deeply concerned

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about the speculative moves", so will we see

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The European trading day has been underway for half an hour, the FTSE

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100 is almost up 1%. We will talk you through the winners and losers.

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And from the biggest event on the gaming calendar

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through to Microsoft buying LinkedIn, we'll be taking a look

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at the week in technology with our very own Rory Cellan-Jones.

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Today, we want to know, as Rolls-Royce announces plans

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to produce an all-electric car, would you ditch petrol for electric?

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Or is a throaty exhaust note all part of the romance of driving?

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Let us know, just use hashtag #BBCBizLive.

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Later we will show you pictures of the new Rolls-Royce vehicles, it's

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quite something, even with a silver throne. The mind boggles. We will

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get to that later. We start in the fast-moving world

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of financial technology. This week the City of London

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has been hosting the Global Digital Banking Conference,

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ahead of London Technology Week One word that's on everyone's

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lips, Blockchain. that was developed to underpin

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the digital currency Bitcoin. Its fans believe it could soon

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revolutionise global finance Under the traditional system,

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banks act as a trusted middleman, processing transactions

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and recording them If I want to pay money to you,

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they process the transaction and record it in a single

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centralised ledger. Under the new system,

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there is no middle man. The ledger of transactions

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is effectively shared across thousands or even millions

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of computers around the world. When a transaction is made

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between the two parties, it is broadcast to everyone

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else in the network. Everyone's ledger is updated -

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that shared record is what's Some banks are believing that this

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is the future. Santander estimates

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the technology could dramatically cut infrastructure costs for banks

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by up to $20 billion by 2022. A number of banks are now testing

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Blockchain technology. Warren Mead is global head

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of FinTech at KPMG and joins me now. Sally has done a brilliant job of

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explaining how it works but will it actually worked in practice and will

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it save all of this money that banks are talking about. There is a

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healthy dose of scepticism? There is and the reality is that nobody knows

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yet. We are at least five years ago and maybe ten from a wide scale use

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of block chain which will change the way customers transact. That is a

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long time in terms of tag, why will it take so long to get this up and

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running? At the moment most banks are just experimenting with

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Blockchain. There is still a long way to go because this is about

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transact in with customer money and you have to be making sure that is

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secure before you can do that. How do customers benefit from

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Blockchain? Why does it make a difference to me if my transaction

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goes through Blockchain the normal routes? Transacting money is only

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one of the uses that people are thinking about. They'll also about

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using it as a way to identify who you are and cut down on the

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time-consuming processes when you open a bank account or apply for a

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mortgage. You won't have to do that any more? You would have to do it

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once but not every time you take a new financial product from a new

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provider. It could also reduce the costs of transactions and in the

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end, that will benefit customers. What about security and

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transparency? Where is it in terms of those aspects? The view is that

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when it is fully developed it will be more secure and resilient from

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things like cyber attacks. How will it be more secure because lots of

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different banks are getting involved in one transaction? Because today,

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if you have data it is on one database and if you want to change

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that you have two breakthrough one firewall and change the data in one

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place but hate you have to change it in 20, 30, 40 places and it makes it

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really tough for cyber terrorists. Interesting. Who knows whether we

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will see Blockchain coming out in the coming years. Thank you. Let's

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take a look at some other business stories.

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The gap between the rich and poor in the US is getting wider

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despite its recovery from the global recession.

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The Organisation for Economic Co-operation

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and Development says US economic output has jumped 10%

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past its pre-crisis peak in 2008, outstripping other major economies

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But the gains are not being evenly shared -

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with women and minorities "faring less well" according to the OECD.

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It suggests raising the minimum wage, boosting income tax credit

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and helping people back to work through skills programmes.

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Volkswagen plans to launch 30 all-electric models

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to reposition itself as a leader in "green" transport.

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Matthias Muller, chief executive of Europe's biggest car-maker,

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said huge investments would be needed as the firm moves

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He hopes that by 2025, all-electric cars would account

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for about 20 to 25% of the German car-maker's annual sales.

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Latest figures show that sales growth of Volkswagen-branded cars

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continues to fall behind European rivals.

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Ultra-luxury car-maker Rolls Royce is also planning

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The brand - which is owned by Germany's BMW -

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has unveiled the zero-emission Rolls of the future.

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You can see it here, what do you think? Send your answers on Twitter.

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The 103 EX is almost six metres long and will drive itself

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using artificial intelligence - but won't be available until 2040.

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The CEO says in the future - not everyone will want to sit

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And it has a silver throne. It looks like the Batmobile. It looks

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enormous. I don't think I will ever get to sit in one of those. Let's

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move on to Japan. In Japan, the yen has

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been on the rise. The currency moves have caused

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concern for the country's Christine Hah has been

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following the story from Singapore. It's nice to see you, Christine.

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More voices coming from Japanese authorities about the yen, and they

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are concerned? Yes. We heard some strong words from Japan's finance

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minister Taro Aso on Friday. He called it one-sided and speculation

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driven and he would act more firmly than before if the yen continues to

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appreciate. This is after hitting multiyear highs against the dollar

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and euro on Thursday. They left rates unchanged. It is the finance

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ministry that decides on policy, they do it through the bank of Japan

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but they decide whether to intervene or not. Some people are reading this

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as an indication that Japan may directly interfere with the yen if

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it continues on this trajectory. The last time they did that was in late

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2011. Taro Aso's stance was consistent with the Group of seven

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and group of 20 countries and that is certainly true, but it's worth

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noting that those two groups specifically spoke out against any

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kind of currency intervention. I remember it well. Thank you very

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much, Christine. We will be keeping an eye on what Japan or what it

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chooses to do. The main stock market had a better day, up over 1% but

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let's not forget it lost quite a lot of ground this week so 1% is not

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much in the light of losses that it made during the week. The yen

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weakened a little today, so that really helped. As you can see, at

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the moment we have games across the board in Europe, certainly 1% or

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more, which is interesting. The markets are taking a pause from some

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of the concern and uncertainty about what may happen next week with the

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UK referendum. We will talk more about Europe in a second but first

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let's hear from Samira Hussain. Investors in America's auto industry

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will have their eye on a Manhattan General Motors is due

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to make its case to judge Jesse Fuhrman is that dozens

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of lawsuits on behalf of customers who had cars recall for safety

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reasons should be dismissed. The vehicles were recalled

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to replace a faulty ignition switch that GM used in some

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models for years. The lawsuits that GM wants dismissed

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are seeking billions of dollars Also on Friday, America's biggest

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mobile phone carrier Verison communications is hoping unions

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will formally ratify the deal to end the strike that saw 40,000 workers

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walk off the job for seven weeks. investment director

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at Rathbone Investment Management. Good morning. You have been keeping

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an eye on the European markets and they have somewhat rebranded today?

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Yes, we are going through a period of pre-random nerds and the markets

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are trying to work out what's going on and the polls are indicating a

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move towards Leave on one hand but the bookies are still indicating

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Remain. It's a confused picture. There is a lot of positioning ahead

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of that referendum next week. Also a lot going on with the currency

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markets. We are hearing from Christine about the Japanese yen and

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lots of voices error in their views in the Japanese government, they are

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really concerned about this? They are. The Japanese finance ministry

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is likely to wait until the referendum is over because this is a

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sort of short-term period of adjustment. It seems that it would

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be such a distorting short-term event that it would be difficult to

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override that. Otherwise, yes, if the strength continues afterwards we

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may well see intervention. The pound has ranked and a bit as well? Yes,

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the main effect, most commentators think the main effect of Brexit will

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be weakness in the sterling between 7-12%. Something like that. We have

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already seen some of that and currency traders are beginning to

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say, should I be buying yen or dollar? Should I be buying Swiss

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francs? A lot of trade and positioning ahead of the referendum.

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That is what Taro Aso was talking about, the Japanese finance

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minister, it is speculative behaviour that is exacerbating

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things. Short-term gains or losses depending on whether they get it

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right or not. See you soon. We'll take a look at Microsoft's

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biggest-ever acquisition. Our technology correspondent

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Rory Cellan Jones will joins us on set to explain why the software

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giant wants to join forces with the professional

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network site LinkedIn. You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. Let's give you some more detail on

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the story we mentioned earlier, the gap between the rich and poor in the

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US is getting wider and wider despite the fact the economy has

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recovered rather well. Absolutely. from the Organisation for Economic

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Co-operation and Development. Joining us to discuss the report

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is Jane Foley from Rabobank. Jane, you have been looking at this

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report in detail, let's start with what it tells us about inequality in

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the US, this is not just a US story, this is a story that reverberates in

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the UK, to? That's exactly right, the UK and Australia and many

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countries, we are seeing worsening income inequality and wealth

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inequality, it is worsening. In terms of income inequality we have

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heard a lot in recent years about productivity growth, that just means

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output per head, and that has been very low in recent years and that is

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true in many countries and it means that people don't get decent wage

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rises and without that they don't see in comes going up, their wealth

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going up etc. This is one of the reasons so it is worrying that we

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are seeing not even the richest 1% but the richest 0.01%, something

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like 10% of the wealth in the US. This is perhaps part of the reason

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why voters are so disgruntled, what we have seen in Europe and the US

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are moves towards the far left and far right, voters wanting strongmen

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politics. It is becoming embedded in society. It is interesting as well

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because when I looked at the report I immediately thought about other

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stories that we often cover about company bosses and what they are

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earning, and the revolts we have seen at AGMs, and the fact that even

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company wages are getting further and further away from those they

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employ. You are right, and in fact many economists think that as we get

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more robots this will make it even worse and some economists say that

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the owners of the technology and the robots will get them in huge slice

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of income and wealth that comes from that, and the rest of us will have

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much lower paid jobs. Not all economists agree with this but this

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topic is up for debate and has been for the last couple of years and

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clearly we won't hear the end of it yet.

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If you have any stories you would like to discuss with us or you want

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to see the latest stories, go to the BBC Business website.

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You're watching Business Live, our top story:

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Global finance experts have been meeting in London to talk about an

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upcoming technology called blockchain. Some experts predict

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this could cut banking costs by some $20 billion by 2022.

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And it has been a busy week in technology.

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There's been the E3 gaming expo in the US, where software firms

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have released their latest offerings in the battle of the consoles.

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Apple's developer conference saw new releases,

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including bringing Siri, its digital assistant, to Macs.

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the professional networking site LinkedIn for %26 billion.

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Our technology correspondent Rory Cellan-Jones is with us.

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You have been covering every twist and turn, shall we start with

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Microsoft and LinkedIn? Such a huge deal, $26 billion. Now, LinkedIn is

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very popular, I hesitate to use that word, because it is also massively

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unpopular with people being bombarded with e-mails asking to be

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endorsed for broadcasting skills - that is the one I send out every

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time, nobody replies! But only a quarter of its members, about 106

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million, visit every month. Most people hardly ever go there, and

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when you do the maths, Microsoft has paid $247 for each one of those

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active users. So the big question is, what kind of value will they get

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out of them? The bear case is that this is a bad Microsoft deal,

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another Nokia. But I have been reading some convincing stuff about

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how vital this is to their mission due maintained their self as a tea

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software and services supplier to the corporate world. -- their

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mission to maintain their position as a key software. Facebook is

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trying to do some of that networking for business, what it does for all

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of us in our personal stuff, but Microsoft might think that the data

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embedded in LinkedIn might be worthwhile. I know they are totally

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different business models in a sense, but LinkedIn, you said

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monthly active users was 100 million, Facebook is at 1 billion.

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1.6 billion. It gives you a sense of the scale. Very different business

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models, LinkedIn makes most of its money from recruitment advertising.

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Let's talk about the gaming conference in LA, what with a big

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beans? Exactly the same theme as last year, virtual reality, except

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that last year it was all a bit theoretical, this is going to be

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huge. -- what were the big themes? This year we got to see some games,

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we have got some big stuff out already, Oculus Rift, and the HTC

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Vice. What is the take-up like? It is early days, it is very expensive.

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The thing that everybody is waiting for is Sony showed off a whole bunch

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of games at E3, they are bringing out a headset in the autumn. Have

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you tried it? I have tried all sorts, and the first time you do it,

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it is amazing! Do you feel a bit sick? The key advance they have made

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is that it doesn't usually make you feel sick. You do feel completely

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immersed in a different world. My slight concern is that is the first

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time, the second time, you think that is good, and the third time,

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what am I doing here plans? But there is an enormous amount of money

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being bet on this being a huge thing, not just in games, but in all

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sorts of areas of life. We have to get onto the polite Google story, I

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missed this one. At a time with a lot of depressing news about hate

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speech on the internet, I am old-fashioned, I don't like to see

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people using foul language. There is a lot of very nasty stuff on the

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internet. This was wonderful, a young man on Twitter posted the

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fact, look what my Nana has posted. Please translate these Roman

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numerals, thank you. She put please and thank you in the Google search.

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I wonder what the search came back with! I think it worked. But to see

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somebody... We are moving into an age where we will be interacting

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with software, and robots a lot more, and maybe we should say... I

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think we should be polite to robots, and this lady has actually showed us

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the way, shown us the way to a better, kinder way of speaking on

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the internet. And a nicer way of interacting with machines. Rory,

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thank you very much indeed. It has been an enormous pleasure, I can't

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express how marvellous it has been. You are welcome!

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From computer code to something a bit more organic now -

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not to mention controversial - because we are also

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Since it was legalised for medicinal use in 25 US states,

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marijuana has entered the world of high finance.

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Last year, sales surged to almost $5.5 billion.

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This Friday, we have seen Microsoft tying up

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with Kind Financial, a tech start-up

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that helps regulators track sales of legalised marijuana.

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But investors are still cautious about wagering on the weed.

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Samira Hussain took a trip to the Cannabis World Congress

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since the days of rolling a joint in your mom's basement.

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In the US, legal marijuana has grown into a multibillion-dollar industry.

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But the sector is hungry for recognition and cash.

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This woman has come to the Cannabis Expo with her son.

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After using marijuana to treat her pain,

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I used all of the tinctures and the bongs,

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I was able to work and move and do things

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I could not even imagine getting up and doing anything.

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The challenge for many of these companies is getting funding.

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Because the law has not caught up to these new businesses many big

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investors like pension funds and banks are not legally

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allowed to put their money anywhere near here.

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Over the next five years, you are going to see federal

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prohibition go away, and this industry will be devolved,

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and if you look at the trajectory of the last five years,

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people on that trajectory, this will all be cleaned up in five years.

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Rob Hunter agrees - he runs one of the largest

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private-equity funds dedicated to cannabis.

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He has been in the business 16 years.

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And he knows just how much money there is to be

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This past year, the United States saw $5.8 billion

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That is expected to be over $10 billion this year.

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It is expected to be as much as $20 billion by 2020.

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you are watching the industry mature at a very rapid rate as a result.

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As others get a whiff of marijuana's potential,

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early investors hope to continue riding high.

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We asked not to live that story on that occasion, didn't we? Health and

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safety and all that! Jane Sydenham is to talk us through some of the

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stories of the day, thank you for your tweets, James said, I would not

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switch to Rolls-Royce and electric if they came looking like that, but

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as the have made electric cars cool again. Are you a petrol head? Or an

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electric egg? I am electric, I am going to save the planet! Let's go

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through the stories, HSBC, interesting light of the share price

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movement, it has agreed to pay more than ?1 billion to settle a

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securities fraud class action. We were expecting them to pay more.

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Yes, we were. This is all to do with the finance business that they

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bought, and which arguably was the first evidence we saw of the

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problems caused by the financial crisis, or in the run-up to it. But

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yes, it is good for them to be in the clear. The story had gone away

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for a while, banks, fines, slapping on the wrist. It just shows you how

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complicated these things up. Rumbling on in the background all

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the time. Let's talk about Uber, apparently launching a UK food

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delivery service, this is in the Financial Times. This will be

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interesting, because a lot of companies already do just this. It

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looks like they are looking for every avenue where it can get a

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piece of the action. It is trying to capitalise on its brand, and it will

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be direct competition to companies like Deliveroo. The indication is it

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will be broadly similar, the same kind of model, so it is more

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competition, which make cut prices. Whether or not it will boost the

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market remains to be seen. More traffic, more people on the roads,

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in bikes or cars or whatever. I know that when I ordered delivery from

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other delivery services, they do use bicycles. Yes, they do. The

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suggestion with Uber is not that they will put food in a cab, it is

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still going to come on a bike. Let's talk about national grid, needs to

:25:41.:25:45.

be overhauled, so says the energy committee in the UK. For those of

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you watching overseas, that is the system through which we get

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electricity. Yes, there is an inherent conflict of interest

:25:54.:25:58.

between private ownership of that, and also the actual distribution

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across the marketplace. We will have to see what happens, but the market

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needs reform. Good morning. There should be drier

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weather around for most of us through the course of the weekend,

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but

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