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This is Business Live from BBC News with Alice Baxter

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With just three days to go until the UK decides if it

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making their views on the vote increasingly clear.

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Should you listen to them though or do the voices of small

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Live from London, that's our top story on Monday 20th June.

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Several big car manufacturers have written to their staff recommending

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week stay in the EU. Also in the programme: Markets wobble in India

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and the ruble falls as research for a new governor of the Indian bank.

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We will bring you the latest from the markets as well. A sea of green

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arrows across the board with Europe tracking Asia higher at the start of

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referendum week. It may only be Monday

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morning here in London, but it's never too early for gin

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and tonic on Business Live. Later in the show, the boss of one

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of the UK's fastest growing alcohol brands will be speaking to us

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about the renaissance And when Elon musk was asked for a

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family discount, he had a cutting response. Everybody gets a family

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discount, the price on the website. So what is the best discount you

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have been able to get? Let us know. With just three days of campaigning

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to go until the UK's referendum on its EU membership,

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business and economic voices have been ramping up their support

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for both sides of the campaign. Today the bosses of Nissan,

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Jaguar Land Rover and Toyota have written to their staff for the first

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time to say that remaining in Europe Vote Leave issued a detailed

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rebuttal of the industry's claims, citing several comments by car

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executives who said Brexit would not They add that many car company

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executives had urged Britain to join the Euro and, "They were wrong then

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and they are wrong now." On Sunday, the chief executive

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of energy giant EDF Energy, Vincent de Rivaz, wrote to his UK

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staff outlining what he says are the benefits of

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continued EU membership. And earlier this month Lord Bamford,

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chairman of JCB, one of Britain's most successful manufacturers,

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wrote to his company's 6,500 employees in the UK to explain

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why he favours a vote This morning's Times newspaper

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is also reporting that much of London's lucrative trade in Euro

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denominated currency could leave the capital for other financial hubs

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inside the EU if the UK votes Richard Fletcher, business editor

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of The Times is with me. Let's make sense of all of this. The

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clock is ticking in earnest now. Tell us about your article in the

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times newspaper today about Euro dominated trade at what it means for

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the City of London. Add to move closer and the polls are neck and

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neck, people are thinking about the implications of a Remain and a Leave

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vote. We are looking at whether London could lose its domination. A

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third of these instruments are traded in London. There was a long

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court battle with the ECB about whether the trading should be in

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London and the City of London, backed by the government, won that.

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The question is whether we opted to leave the EU, whether there will be

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a renewed assault on that trading, and whether Europe would try to pull

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some of that back to the continent. It is part of wider noise and in the

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coming days we will see more business leaders coming out and

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airing their views on both sides of the debate, particularly on the

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Remain side, I suspect, because big business is in favour of Remain and

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the CBI poll shows that their members want to remain. With smaller

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businesses it is more balanced. In the coming days, I think we will see

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business leaders coming out and voicing their opinions. They are

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voicing opinion that writing to staff and members of their

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associations. Do we know what influence that has? If you work for

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British Telecom and you get the letter from the boss telling you to

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vote Remain, how do people respond to that? We don't have evidence but

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we had Rolls-Royce warning that they would have to reconsider investment

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in a new plant in Derby if there was a Leave vote. I suspect that would

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have an effect if you worked for Rolls-Royce and it certainly would

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on me. I think business leaders wanted to stay out of this. They

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were very bruised after the Scottish referendum. You remember the

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supermarket bosses and the financial employers in Scotland came out and

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back to the union and they suffered a backlash. I suspect that big

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businesses hope that by now a Remain vote would have been in the bag they

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wouldn't have to put their heads above the parapet. But with the boat

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being neck and neck that when you talk to them privately big business

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does believe that we should remain, although that is not the case across

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the business community, many believe that, and so they are putting their

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heads above the parapet because it is neck and neck. We are out of time

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so we have got to move on. But Richard is coming back to look at

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the newspapers later. Don't fret. Let's squeeze in other stories. This

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is always a pact programme. Xi Jinping has arrived in Poland,

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as part of a 3-nation tour, aimed at strengthening ties

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between China and Europe. The Chinese President will be

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meeting with his counterpart in Warsaw, as well as

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the country's Prime Minister. The 2 sides are expected to sign

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agreements in areas such as finance, Before Poland he was in Serbia and

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he had to Uzbekistan next. Brazilian prosecutors have made

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a formal allegation of tax evasion and money laundering against former

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tourism minister Henrique Alves. Mr Alves resigned on Thursday after

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being linked to a corruption scheme. Brazil's Attorney General presented

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evidence to the Supreme Court saying Mr Alves had a secret bank

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account in Switzerland. Let's take a look round the world

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at what business stories We learnt over the weekend

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that Raghuram Rajan, the governor of India's central

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bank, has decided to step down. We can now hear from Sameer Hashmi

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in Mumbai, who has been Does this come as much of a

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surprise? Yes. Many anticipated that he would get a second term or who

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would accept a second term when his current tenure comes to an end in

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September. There was speculation over the last few months or so that

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the government was not keen to give him a second term because they

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disagree on a lot of policies. And Mr Rajan has been critical of the

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government when it comes to certain policies, particular fast economic

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growth in India. He did not comment openly on whether he would like a

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second term or not but most expected that he would like a second term

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because there is so much global uncertainty with Brexit coming in,

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the US raising rates, and also India had issued dollar bonds three years

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back to stabilise the currency. They are going to mature so a lot of

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dollars will flow out of the Indian market which will lead to a bit of

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instability. But Mr Rajan said on Saturday that with consultation with

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the government and after due reflection, he has decided to go

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back to Chicago, where he is a professor. This is if the price

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because most experts, analysts and economists and business leaders that

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we talk to wanted him to stay on. He is seen as a credible face and

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industry leaders have a lot of regard for him. He has been given

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credit for bringing down inflation, which is a critical issue for the

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economy when he took charge three years back. He is also cleaned up

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the balance sheets for a lot of banks in India which have a lot of

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debt on their books. Clearly it has come as a shock.

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And with just three days to go before that UK EU referendum,

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it's not just Britain or Europe on a knife edge with traders around

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US stock index futures rose on Sunday

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jumped on Monday on the back of polls suggesting British voters

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Japan's Nikkei soared over 2% to a one-week high on Monday,

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posting the biggest daily gain in two months.

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Very interesting considering the wobbles it has had over the past

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week. The safehaven yen also

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weakened on the uptick And here in Europe, sterling has

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been at the sharp end of investors' worries over a possible UK exit

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from the EU, falling nearly 5 percent against the dollar this year

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and nearly 9 percent But today it's jumped

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by the most in 3 days. Looking at equities,

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all major European markets up over 1.7% - that's

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after rebounding on Friday but still posting it's third

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straight week of losses. And Samira Hussain has

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the details about what's ahead A few things happening this week to

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keep us busy in the US. Facebook will be having their shareholder

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meeting on Monday, voting on a new class of stock which will encourage

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the founder Mark Zuckerberg to remain in an active leadership role.

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On Tuesday and Wednesday, US Federal reserve chair will be speaking to

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members of conference. This is her semiannual testimony on monetary

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policies. On Thursday Britain will be voting in a referendum on whether

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to leave the European Union. The impending vote has been having an

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impact on US markets and so investors here will be watching that

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closely. And on Friday we will see how confident Americans are feeling

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when the consumer sentiment is out for the month of June.

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Joining us is Fung Siu from the Econimist Intelligence Unit.

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She is here to talk to us about what is going on in Japan. While these

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markets have been severely on the move, we had a big week for Japan

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last week. News from International Monetary Fund saying that policy

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needs to be changed. Yet today we have had trade numbers from Japan

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that are pretty dismal as well. Give us your take on how this is being

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managed in Japan right now. They are watching the currency very

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carefully. Absolutely. The government has an economic agenda on

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the go. They have done what most policymakers would do in straitened

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times, which they see themselves in at the moment, which is basically to

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use monetary policy and fiscal policy. Monetary policy has gone

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into uncharted territory with a quantitative easing programme. At

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the same time with fiscal policy there are limits to what they can do

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because Japan has huge public debt, about 230% of GDP, 2.3 times the

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size of the country's output. There is very little that he can do on the

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fiscal front but nevertheless I suspect he will carry on trying.

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With all these policies in place, he is doing his best to try and get the

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economy on the move. But in normal circumstances, all these policies

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would work but he is facing considerable headwinds. China

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slowing down is affecting exports so the trade numbers have been banned

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because of the slow down in China. Had these policies being put in

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place when China was expanding at rapid rates of eight or 9%, Japan

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wouldn't have had any problems. Trade numbers are coming out week

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because of the weak demand from China. There is a suggestion from

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the IMF that they need to raise the sales tax in the country from 8% to

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at least 15% to make a change. They did try. It had a bad effect. That

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is because the economy is so fragile and consumer sentiment is so weak.

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It sent the economy into a downtrend. Yes, they need to

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increase the consumption tax only because they need to get in revenue

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to pay the welfare payments because they have an ageing population. The

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tax increases will come much later on. In the meantime, they will try

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their best to put in place measures that will boost the economy as much

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as possible. We wish them luck! It is not easy. Thank you for your

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time. Keeping an eye on Japan, especially with regards to the yen.

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Still to come on the programme: It may only be 8:45am in London but it

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is never too early for June the clock. -- gin and tonic. We are

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finding out how gin has become a global business.

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Ben Thompson is in the city. He has been speaking to experts about what

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is happening. Ben what, have you been hearing? Before I start can I

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say the gin better come down here when you try that later! You're

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right, we're in the centre of the financial heart of the country. The

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City of London. Just a Square Mile, but what happens this week could be

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important for its future. They are keeping an eye on what the polls are

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saying in the run up to the vote. Some certainty, we will get a result

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on Friday, but many suggests that's when the real uncertainty begins

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when we try and work out what happens next. This really tells you

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all you need to know. "Hold on to your hats, markets braced for

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referendum turmoil." That's in the City AM, the business paper this

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morning. I want to show you around a bit. If you're not familiar with

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where we are. You can see the Royal Exchange. It has been at the centre

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of the city for hundreds of years. Originally built on the site in the

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1700s, it was home to traders from around the world, selling their

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wares. Just across the road from that, the Bank of England, of

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course, home to the governor and the Monetary Policy Committee. Amongst

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other things it does set interest rates, but behind it, you might be

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able to make it out in the mist and the rain, the new city, the

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skyscrapers that are changing the city skyline, the Gherkin and it

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contributes to the ?50 billion or so to the UK economy every year. So

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those people will be keeping a close eye on the vote on Thursday. To find

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out what it means for them, but also for the country as a whole. Yes, of

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course, Ben this is a really big week for the city, isn't it, with

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its oddly aimed buildings out there, it is not just a big political week

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at all? Yeah, it will be felt particularly keenly, I know Alice

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you touched on it earlier. I will talk you through the numbers,

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sterling up 1.5% and the FTSE up 2%. They are keeping a close eye on what

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happens. They will be hoping for some certainty, but the uncertainty

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could really begin on Friday morning.

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That's what the markets like the least. You may not get any gin, our

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producers have got their tabs on it. Majestic's sales are up.

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Our top story: Several of the UK's biggest car

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manufacturers including Nissan, Jaguar Land Rover and Toyota have

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written to their staff, advising them to back Britain's

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A lot of smaller business leaders, those who run small companies, who

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are self-employed, they have an opposite few, quite a few of them

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and there is plenty of the views on both sides on our website. Do dig in

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deep and read to have a lack at what's being said. Just head online

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for that. Now let's get the Inside Track

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on Britain's booming gin industry. Overseas sales are now worth over

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?2 billion - that's around $2.9 billion and sales are up

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some 46% since 2010. Brockmans is one of the boutique

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distilleries that's benefiting from the UK's renaissance

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as a gin-maker. The company's super-premium spirit

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is one of the fastest growing Outside of the UK,

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Brockmans is available in 40 This includes export markets

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both inside and outside The distillery is performing

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particularly well Bob Fowkes, CEO of

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Brockmans Gin joins us now. And you can see the big bottle,

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thick glass, that's part of the brand on the table and two glasses

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of gin. So whilst he is answering our first question we will test it!

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I haven't tested it yet! But just give us a sense of this brand

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because that is your area of expertise Bob, it is selling a brand

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and when it comes to gin, most people have heard of various

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companies. But not this one. It is fairly new. Tell us how you managed

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to get it out there? We launched in 2009. Firstly, you're right, my

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focus is brand development. That's my background. I'm the marketing

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Director of Brockmans Gin, my CEO will be pleased I pointed that out!

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Our apologies. I'm one of the founders. I started this from a

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blank sheet of paper and what's important is to aid develop a great

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product and B, develop a great brand and to develop them in Unison. A lot

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of companies develop them separately and it is important to combine them

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together. A brand is a story. A story that you're showing to

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consumers. You say it is a great product and you say that that it is

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particularly specialist, it would have to be because it is kind of

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double the price of the gins that we all know of that are on the

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supermarket shelves, the names we are familiar with. . This is double

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the price? We are batch distilled. We are craft disstilled. We use

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natural ingredients. We use 11 which really makes for a great tasting

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product. And you're currenty in Europe, aren't you? Are you looking

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at other markets? We are in Europe, North America and Australia and one

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of the interesting areas has been the boom in gin that happened at the

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luxury end has come from Spain and Spain is starting to influence the

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Latin American markets and we are starting to look at those as well.

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Do people drink their gin differently? No, the Spanish led the

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way and the glasses that you have in front of you, the wide, almost

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balloon glasses... They are lovely glasses. They were developed in

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Spain. Spain is a big market for gin, bigger than the UK. The amount

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of drink in there. The key is to use lots of very big ice in a glass like

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that. It is probably a double roughly a double. But it looks more

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because it is a very big glass. But actually the key is to add lots of

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ice to keep it really cool and refreshing for as long as you can.

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Can I just ask you though, if you weren't on board with this company,

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somebody who had years and years of experience of managing brands within

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this industry, you worked for Diego for sometime, do you think they

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would be where they are,000? I'm not saying it is all about you, but I'm

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suggesting it is all about the marketing isn't it as opposed to the

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quality of the product? There is lots of products out there and there

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is lots of people develop new gins and they tend to be just products.

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You need to have a great product and you need to develop a great brand in

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tandem. I imagine many people watching now who have something they

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think you develop a story. Today think you develop a story. Today

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with a lot of social media, digital marketing, you have to have a story.

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You develop a story that's plausible, believable, relevant and

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motivating to consumers. From there you can develop their product and

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your branding, your packaging. So everything needs to work in Unison.

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It is not just a phase this love of gin? It is a boom that's here to

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stay. Hopefully for you! LAUGHTER

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All right Bob, we have to leave it there. We have got to have a taste.

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Cheers! Well, there we go. Very nice. Very

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refreshing. I don't normally have gin at this time of the morning!

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Now, it's just three days until voters here in Britain decide

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whether the UK should remain in the European Union or leave

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and we've been talking to small business leaders in the UK

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and Europe to find out what they believe

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Guy Sainty runs the Stair Sainty Gallery in London

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He feels that his business and the London art market

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is suffering because of EU VAT regulations.

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My wife and I run the Stair Sainty Gallery which specialises

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in European art from the 16th to the 20th century.

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Since 2006, the European Union required that the UK introduce

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import VAT for all works of art that come into this country

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Far fewer works are consigned from outside the European Union.

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It's just simply too expensive for us to handle works

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that are owned by say an American consigner.

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It has meant that London is essentially being replaced

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by New York as the major art dealing centre.

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If we leave the European Union and we remove the burden of import

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VAT, this will transform London and make it become the most

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Richard is back as you can see. Business editor of the Times. He has

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not been drinking gin. But I just want to mention tweets we have had

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from our viewers. One viewer got hold of me to say a lager at 45

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cents, you can't beat it! I don't think you can!

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, "I don't get discounts, I haggle and get prices down in my old age."

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." Thrrchlts you go. Your favourite tipple. A pint of Guinness or a nice

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glass of red wine. I like all sorts. Let's talk about what is in the

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papers. Of course, interesting today, all the national papers in

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the UK and international press looking at this referendum, aren't

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they? Absolutely. There is a piece in the New York Times which is

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always interesting to see what people think of us overseas and I

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don't think we don't come out very well in the article. The Brits don't

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come out very well, I'm not sure Europe comes out very well. That's

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always interesting to see how, it is good to see how they interpret

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events overseas, that's very interesting piece actually in the

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New York Times. And saying whatever happens on 23rd June, Brussels have

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got to re-think the way they operate? There is a growing

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Euro-scepticism in other parts of Europe, not just in the UK. All

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right, well we are being told, we are nearly out of time. So Richard,

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we will let you go, you have got a busy week ahead of you. Yes, I have.

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And the weeks to come as do we. Thank you, we appreciate it.

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There will be more business news throughout the day on the BBC Live

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webpage and on World Business Report.

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Hello there. It is a leap year this year so today marks the summer

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solstice. Starting off cloudy and wet for many, but it is an improving

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picture

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