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This is Business Live. Mark Carney, take to the stage, he warned we

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could see a slow down if we voted to leave the EU. Will he cut rates for

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the first time since 2009? Live from London, that our top story

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today on Thursday the 4th of August. -- that is.

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It is shelter from the Brexit storm, the Bank of England weighs up action

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as the economy teeters possibly on the brink of recession. It is

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expected that Mark Carney will press that rate cut button and reduce

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rates by a quarter of 1%. It will be the first interest rate cut in

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Britain since 2009. Also in the programme, Toyota in a spin. Asia's

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largest car-maker says profits tumbled by almost 15%. This is as

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the car giant contends with falling sales in the United States and

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increasingly stronger yen. A busy day on the markets. Europe very keen

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to see the interest rate cut. But everything is up because of that job

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market news. A glitzy fundraising dinner is set

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speak to the boss of a company that speak to the boss of a company that

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hopes to revolutionise the way charities raise money. Also,

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ditching your digital devices to detox the mind, body and soul.

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Logging out and signing off seemed to be the new trend, but are you

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ready to disconnect? Or are you addicted? Let us know.

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Lots of messages coming in already. We've been bombarded by the

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technology question. The will they won't they

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merry-go-round over a possible UK rate cut is in full swing today

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as the country looks to stave off The bank disappointed a lot of

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people. economic data since then has led

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many to believe that they will be As you can see here rates haven't

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moved much for quite a while now 0.5% a year after year, almost eight

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years we've seen that. We haven't seen a rise since 2007.

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Leading economists now fear that there's a 50/50 chance of the UK

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falling into recession as a result of the Brexit vote and lower

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interest rates are one of the ways to reduce that risk.

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The theory goes that lower rates make saving money less

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attractive while reducing the cost of borrowing.

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This in turn drives people to borrow and spend more,

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That all sounds great but unfortunately there are also

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With rates already so low there are fewer levers to pull

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if things get worse for the central bank.

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Japan and the EU have both tried negative rates but many economists

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argue that this has done more harm than good.

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Prolonged ultra-low rates also tend to encourage unsustainable debt

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With borrowing so cheap people and businesses are far more likely

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to pay over the odds for things they can't really afford.

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Our Economics Editor Kamal Ahmed joins us on the programme.

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Welcome and good morning. This isn't an easy job. How do you signal that

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you will do whatever it takes to support an economy, but at the same

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time not exacerbate the problems of faltering confidence which we've

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seen from some of the data from the past few weeks? The Bank of England

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has marched us up the hill of we are going to cut rates. We were here a

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month ago when the monetary policy committee, the committee that takes

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the decision of nine economists of interest rates, we thought in July

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they would cut rates. The bank didn't. I think that was mostly down

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to the lack of data after the 23rd of June vote on leaving the European

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Union. There has been a lot of data since then. I think the chance of a

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cut, which will be announced at midday today in London, is far

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higher than it was in July. I think Mark Carney has said that he wants

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to see more monetary easing. He has been supporting that by two very

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significant members of the NCP. -- supported. I think we mustn't forget

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that cutting rates isn't all they could do. They also could introduce

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more quantitative easing, the buying of government debt, that increases

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the money supply in the economy. Or they could announce that they want

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to support bank lending, that is producing more money, more cheap

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money for banks to lend into the economy. There are other levers. But

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the big issue for Britain at the moment is the monetary policy, it

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isn't the interest rate, it is fiscal policy. What will the new

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government do, the new Chancellor, Philip Hammond, when they announce

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their first sort of Budget, the Autumn Statement, in November,

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December? It isn't just a British thing at the moment. We have the

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global picture. If we see a move from the Bank of England that will

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just replicate what we'd seen the Australian central bank do, they

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have cut down to a record rate, and the bank of Japan. Central banks

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are, once again, getting very active. Central banks have been

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trying to take the weight, or do the heavy lifting of economic growth.

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Probably they would argue, and Mark Carney has said this in the past,

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almost too much has been expected from central banks. To the point of

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which now the responsibility is moving much more sharply towards

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governments. You said in your intro to our discussion that negative

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interest rates haven't done a huge amount. There is some truth in that.

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But interestingly, if you take Britain out of the equation, and

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Britain has been suffering economically since the referendum,

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the Eurozone is doing better now, China is doing better now. There is

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some evidence Japan is doing better. The American economy has been

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struggling. Overall this monetary commerce hugely loose monetary

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policy, around the globe does appear to be feeding through to the

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Eurozone, at least to slightly stronger growth. -- this monetary

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policy, this hugely loose monetary policy. When you look at some of the

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data, particularly around lending, it does not seem to be the case that

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banks are not willing to lend. It seems to be the case that people are

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not willing to borrow. They just don't want it. You are right. This

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is not just a supply problem it is a demand problem. Already in the

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aftermath of a referendum the Bank of England actually reduced capital

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requirement on banks to encourage them to lend. Banks are already in a

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position where they are able to lend far more than demand is in the

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system. I think that is around, again, fiscal policy. It's around

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businesses feeling they will borrow money for a reason. There will be

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big infrastructure projects that could support the economy. At the

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moment businesses are hoarding cash because they don't feel confident

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about the future. Clearly that uncertainty has grown now Britain

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has voted to leave the European Union. Because it is unclear what

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our relationship will be with the rest of the EU. Those are the areas

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where uncertainty is an issue for businesses. They are not shouting

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that they cannot borrow at low enough rates, borrowing is

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incredibly come historically cheap. What businesses need to invest is

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certainty around the political situation, the economic policies of

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the new UK Government, and what it's going to do on taxing, spending, and

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borrowing. Its moves on that, I think, will increase the demand

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issue, which you have struck upon, rather than the supply issue. Thanks

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very much. I am glad you agree with me.

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CHUCKLES Let's talk about Japan now.

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Toyota has just published financial results for the first

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It is almost building up to a perfect storm, right? US car sales

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falling and the Japanese currency has been a bit strong.

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That's right. It is essentially the strong currency which has hit

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earnings for Toyota. It's the world's guest auto-maker. They are

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blaming the strong yen for the nearly 15% fall in its profits over

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the April to June quarter. It also said sales in the US are down. That

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strong yen means the profits it brings home from markets like the US

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are lower. It is only really worth more when the yen is weak. It also

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makes them more competitive overseas. But the yen has been

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rallying since the start of the year rallying since the start of the year

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because of those volatile equity market and Britain's vote to leave

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the European Union. That prompted many investors to buy it because

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they see it as a safe haven investment. We also saw other

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factors like the earthquake earlier this year. That hit one of Toyota's

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the production centres. It hit sales of about 60,000 vehicles. We also

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saw Toyota cutting for profits. We are seeing it slide to a four year

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low. A perfect storm. Not looking good. But there were still profits,

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$5.4 billion, and the shares closed today before the results were out at

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nearly 2% higher. Thanks very much. Electric car maker Tesla lost

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$293 million in the three That's the 13th

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quarterly loss in a row. It also missed analyst's

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expectations for sales forecasts and fell short

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of production targets. The company insists however

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that it is on track to deliver 50,000 Model S and Model X vehicles

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in the second half of the year. The world's biggest

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sports-maker, Nike, has announced that it will stop

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selling golf equipment. Last year sales at Nike's golf unit

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fell by 8% to $706 million, it's the third year

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in a row of declines. Earlier this year Nike's rival,

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Adidas, also announced its intention Who is going to make the golf stuff?

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Hopefully nobody will be playing any golf.

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Atlantic City's Trump Taj Mahal will close at the end of the summer.

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The casino owned by billionaire investor Carl Icahn, is the latest

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in a string of casino closures for the New Jersey Beach resort.

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Four of its 12 casinos remain shut after closing in 2014.

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The magic of television, I'm on my legs.

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Japan's main market the Nikkei recovering some of that

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It has had a heck of a right of late. -- ride.

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A bit of a rebound in oil prices from four month lows also supporting

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We will get the big jobs figures on Friday from the US, remember.

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In Europe - and the big news will be at midday -

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will the Bank of England cut rates to the lowest level in the central

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Currency dealers are a bit uncertain how sterling would react

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to a rate cut, as it has been largely factored in already.

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and find out what'll be making the biz headlines in the US.

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On Wednesday we heard from media companies Time Warner

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On Thursday, Viacom, the owner of Nickelodeon,

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Comedy Central and the film studio Paramount Pictures,

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The legal drama over control of the $40 billion media empire,

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as well as disappointing results at American box offices, means that

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investors will have lots of questions for company executives.

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And as the job market in the US picks up, the professional social

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networking site Linkedin expects its earnings to do the same

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Investors will be looking for more details on its $26 billion

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acquisition by Microsoft which was announced last month.

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And, of course, investors will want to know if they expect any

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impact of the Brexit vote on the company.

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Let's have a quick look at some other stories that

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This is about twitter. Twitter shares surged by about 17% on a

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rumour that this guy here, he is the former boss of Microsoft, might be

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interested in buying the entire site. There have been lots of

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reports. Him and somebody else, right?

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Yes. Him and another investor are getting ready to buy Twitter.

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Ballmer Last year announced a 4% stake in the company. Worth about

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$12 billion. The problem with Twitter is it is a

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company that has never made a profit. Its last numbers that came

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back, the biggest problem is building the monthly users, the

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active users, I should say. It was only a few weeks ago where we had

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the latest numbers and they built them in the last few months by about

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3% only. Experts are saying it just is not enough, and then you have the

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competition from Snapchat. And lots of people deciding they

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don't want their devices. They are putting down their Magri devices and

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having a digital detox. We will talk about that later. --

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their devices. Still to come - are glitzy

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fundraising dinners set to become Later in the programme,

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we speak to the boss of one company which hopes to revolutionise the way

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charities raise money. You're with Business

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Live from BBC News. British bookmaker Ladbrokes has just

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released financial results The BBC's Theo Leggett

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joins us now. He has been going through some of

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the numbers. Tell us more. This time last year, the first six months of

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2015, Ladbrokes racked up a more than ?15 million loss, but this time

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it's turned it around on the pre-tax figure is ?25.2 million worth of

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profit. It's all about football. There have been some problems with

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Leicester City winning the Premier League costing the company ?3

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million. But on the other side of the coin, the European Championship,

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where England, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, not doing

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terribly well. Not great for fans but good for the bookies. The only

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one bucking the trend was Wales. The overall picture from the European

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Championships was that the number of bets was up and it was very

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profitable for Ladbrokes and other bookies. Ladbrokes in the process of

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merging with Coral, a big strategy change, try to sell off a number of

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shops, but at the moment the strategy seems to be working. There

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is lots of competition in the sector at the moment with a lot of

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consolidation and regulatory changes as well. An interesting space to

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follow. It has been for some time. What Ladbrokes is doing with its

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merger with Corel is bringing together two of the big players on

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the high street. Some are suggesting high street bookmakers have had

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their day and it's going all on the Internet but Ladbrokes are saying

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that isn't necessarily true. Yes, a lot of betting happens on the

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Internet but high Street bookmakers are doing well as well. To prove the

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point, they will sell 400 shops, and they reckon they have found a buyer,

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currently unnamed, but they think the buyer will purchase sometime in

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the second half of the year. We are talking about detoxing from digital

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devices, could you live without your smartphone and devices for a few

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days? Absolutely not, I need to keep up with your Twitter feed! You are

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so diplomatic, a cheeky man. Thank you so much. Look up the hashtag

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sockwars. Private health care firm Bupa says

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it's profits have fallen 45% because of the oil price slide in the first

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half of the year. Our top story - The Bank of England

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is today expected to announce that it's cutting interest rates

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to a 0.25%. If that happens, it'll be

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the first change in the rate It will also be the lowest level of

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interest rates in the bank's 322 years of history. We've been waiting

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for something to happen for 88 months, so we are quite excited

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there might be a rate cut today. Most economists believe the Bank

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will act, with data showing a significant fall in economic

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activity since Britain voted That happened in construction and

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manufacturing ants as well as the service industry.

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Charity auctions have long been associated with the super-wealthy,

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There's now one company which hopes to make fundraising a less

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Similar to eBay, E-Solidar is an online marketplace

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However, all sales that take place on the platform must go

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The company also sources memorabilia for charities,

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meaning you don't necessarily need to meet someone famous

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in order to auction off a signed football shirt.

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Despite serving the charity sector, E-Solidar does aim to turn a profit.

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Last year, E-Solidar received $600,000 from venture

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Marco Barbosa is the founder of E-Solidar.

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Great to have you with us. I guess we will start with that, the

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600,000, you have to make money, so how do you? Everything we raise we

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send to charity, so we cannot make money without impacting on charity

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and vice versa. You must have spotted a gap in the market to set

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up this business, so what were the structural issues you saw with big

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charities? Big charities, about 90% of the income for charities goes to

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5% of the charities, and 81% of charities are struggling to raise

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funds to survive. The other side, from the consumer perspective and

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the corporate sector, they struggle to navigate the charity world and

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the complexity. Some charities have yet to fully grasp the technology,

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so we want to make the bridge between the companies and the people

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that want to support charities and the charities themselves. In

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something like this, transparency is so important, it's important for

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everybody, but for a charity, how do you go about making sure? We explain

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very clearly on the website what we do, and the fee that we take. It's

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about improving technology, bettering tools, owing to the market

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and understand the pain from the charities and also for the

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consumers, how they are struggling to help the charities and also the

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corporate sector. What's the endgame for the company? As far as I can

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think or remember, there isn't a big listed company out there in the

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charity space. Will that be you? We hope so. In maybe 8-10 years, if we

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manage to keep growing, we would like to be made an IPO, and show the

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world it's possible to have the profitability and the capitalist

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world, together with the social impact of the charity giving. At the

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same time we are supporting great causes and making a better bridge

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between the for-profit and nonprofit markets. Is that realistic? Seeing

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the nonprofit sector be as profitable as the profit sector.

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Surely by definition they are not. We have that visceral reaction of

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people making a lot of money to help people. We strongly believe it's

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possible to help people. We know it's very hard, but if we work with

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and for charities, attracting venture capital is very tough, but

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we think we can show to other entrepreneurs that it's possible. So

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we can open this mentality and show that it's possible. What's on the

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site just now, what do you have listed? A shirt from the cycling

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athletes. A shirt from the Portuguese team. We have the glasses

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from Elton John. Just go back to the question, we are a company that

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supports communities and we hope everyone can invest. Great stuff, so

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sorry, but thank you for coming in. Internet overload has led

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millions of people in the UK to take a digital detox,

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according to research The survey found more than 30%

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of internet users have taken between a day

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and a month away from the web. Almost 60% of those surveyed

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considered themselves BBC's Emma Simpson has this

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report... Nothing beats getting

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away from it all. If I Google that, we will be

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able to look today. I find it totally impossible just

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to put it away and not I like to keep in touch

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with everybody and I like to be able to post all my photos to Facebook

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so my friends can see where we are. We are now spending the equivalent

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of just over a day a week online A third of adults have taken

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a "digital detox" or break to strike For instance, 16% of us have made

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a point of going somewhere with no Many parents are making their kids

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take an online break. Nearly two thirds have been digitally grounded,

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but this lot say they know when to stop. I don't find it something you

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need every day. Because I'm more than happy biking up and down, I

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don't have to be on the Internet. We are better connected

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than ever before. But the challenge is to not let

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technology take over our lives. There will be more business news

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throughout the day on the BBC Live webpage and on World Business

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