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This is Business Live from BBC News, with Sally Bundock and Alice Baxter.

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The tech giant Apple could face a multi-billion dollar tax bill

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following an investigation by the European Union.

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Live from London, that's our top story on Tuesday 30th August.

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The United States has already warned the EU over unfair tax treatment

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Could Brussels go one step further and take a bite out of Apple?

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Is today the day we wave goodbye to the UK's biggest tech company?

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Shareholders of the chip-designer ARM are expected to vote in favour

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And we will keep you up to speed with all the latest from the market.

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In London there was no trading In London there was no trading

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yesterday due to a bank holiday. And the battle against

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soaring rents in India - we'll be finding out

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about a new hotel which is promising to offer affordable accommodation

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at just 50 cents a night. And as the EU is set to rule

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on Apple's tax affairs, we want to know whether you think

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Europe needs a rethink Do businesses get a free ride

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or is Brussels being too hands-on? Get in touch, just use

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the hashtag #bbcbizlive. American tech giant Apple is facing

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a potential tax bill running After a three-year probe

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into the tech giant's tax arrangements with the Irish

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government the findings of a European Union investigation

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are expected to be released today. The Financial Times are reporting

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that Ireland has given US company "illegal aid" through a so-called

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"sweet heart" deal. That deal meant that Apple would

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effectively pay just 2% or less in corporation tax if it

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based its operations in Cork The big benefit for Ireland

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is significant job creation However, under EU law,

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national tax authorities are not allowed to give tax benefits

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to selected companies - which the EU would consider to be

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illegal state aid. Apple may face a bill of as much

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as $19 billion if the Irish government is forced to recoup

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taxes from the company. However, some reports say

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the figure may not be much But it will be up to Irish

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authorities to calculate Apple and the Irish government

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are both likely to appeal With me is our business

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editor, Simon Jack. Good morning. We have been waiting

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for this, we are expected to get the outcome of their investigation

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today. It is squaring up to be quite tasty trade war because the US

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warned, don't get involved with this, if anyone is owed back taxes

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from Apple it is the US government. They said the European Union is

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getting too big for its boots, acting like a supranational tax

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authority, going round to the member countries and telling them how to

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organise their tax deals. They have said this is a sweetheart deal, it

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is through advantageous tax systems like this that people are tracked --

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We are expecting a figure of about We are expecting a figure of about

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$1 billion. It is actually up to the Irish government to pursue those

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funds and yet the Irish government is saying, we like this arrangement,

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it benefits us and Apple. Exactly, 5500 people work for Apple in

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Northern Ireland. By giving this tax deal, lots of companies want to go

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there. There are lots of other areas that will be looking into this as

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well. It is interesting because we will see a race to the bottom in

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terms of corporation tax rates. This deal has a tax rate of less than

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two. The UK says we have 15% corporation tax and would like to go

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lower. It is very divisive when countries offer much lower tax rate

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than in another. From the point of view of the Competition Commission,

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they have investigated Tarbox, Amazon, Facebook is said to be in

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its sights as well. -- Starbucks. I think the recovered about 13 million

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from Starbucks. -- 30 million. So this is the big one. There was a lot

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of talk about where they should be taxed and they live in the financial

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equivalent of outer space with this money, no one can get their hands on

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them and that is the danger. I met Tim Cook a short while ago, and he

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said if you took it home he would have to pay a tax rate of 35% on

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that. That is the backdrop, they are saying this is crazy. The money is

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sitting out there in the financial equivalent of outer space, never

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comes home because the tax rate is too high. If they were ever to do

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it, the shareholders would sue their chief executive for losing so much

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money. It is an interesting situation which will be returned to

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again and again but Apple is the test case. There is a lot more

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detail on our website and we will update you as soon as we hear the

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outcome of that investigation. Later today European regulators

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will spell out exactly how the continent's so-called net

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neutrality rules will work. Net neutrality is the idea that

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all pieces of data moving across the internet should be

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treated equally - regardless as to whether it's a web page,

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a movie or a video call. There are fears that changes

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to existing rules could favour major We'll have more on this

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later in the show. The remarkable performance

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of Japan's labour market continued in July, with the jobless rate

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falling to a two-decade low. The unemployment rate fell

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0.1% to 3% last month, and versus economists' expectations

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it would hold steady at 3.1%. This is the lowest

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reading since May 1995. Kim Dotcom, the German-born

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entrepreneur who faces extradition to the US over copyright

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infringement charges, has won his request to have his appeal

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hearings live streamed Mr Dotcom, who lives in New Zealand,

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had said the hearings Shares in Hershey have plunged

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about 12% after it rejected a $23 billion takeover offer

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by Mondelez International - the snacks giant which makes Oreo

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cookies and Cadbury chocolates. The tie-up would have created

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the world's biggest candy maker. But Mondelez says it's no longer

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pursuing the acquisition. Banks in China have seen

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their shares rise ahead of releasing Both ICBC and Bank of China

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are due to report earnings. These banks are huge, aren't they?

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Some of the biggest in the world? They are indeed, and their earnings

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are being closely watched. There are lots of concerns because things are

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slowing down, lots of major concerns about the banking system and high

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levels of bad debt. As of clay you have seen squeezed profit margins,

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mounting bad loans, all of this expected in the report. But shares

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are up for both these banks as investors seem to be shrugging off

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these concerns alongside warnings from credit rating agencies that the

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banking system in China faces a systemic risk. You also have things

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like overcapacity in some industries like mining and steel which made

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less investment is funded by debt less profitable and analysts have

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pointed to several indicators showing how Chinese firms' ability

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to pay debt is now also starting to deteriorate. Amongst the most

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troubled sectors, we are seeing real estate, manufacturing, steel as well

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as mining, so all of this means these earnings results will not be

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great. Nevertheless stocks are higher today with ICBC approaching

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its highest close since October last year, while Bank of China extended

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verse 2/7%. Let's have a look at the impact of that.

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Japan's Nikkei is flat. Here in London, the FTSE 100 was closed on

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Monday for a bank holiday. Today we can see it is open, just a verso

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slightly down. The US dollar backed off a two-day hike, still hovering

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under $50 per barrel. Elsewhere in Europe, markets modestly higher.

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Michelle has the details about what's ahead on Wall Street today.

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Wall Street will have a couple of economic

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reports to digest ahead of the

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Data due out later this Tuesday is likely to show consumers

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are feeling more anxious about their financial situation.

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US consumer confidence is expected to have

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Better news is anticipated from the housing market.

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Case Shillar releases its monthly 20 city housing price index and it's

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forecast to have risen 5.2% in the past 12 months to June.

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And on the corporate front, struggling teen

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clothing retailer, Abercromby and Fitch reports second quarter

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Investors will look for comments on the recovery at the

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brand and its performance so far in the third quarter.

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Now, the company has been investing heavily to

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remodel its Hollister stores and is working to try and turn

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With me is Simon French, chief economist for Panmure Gordon.

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Nice to see you. Michelle mentioned quite a lot going on in the States,

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but let's talk about arm Holdings, which is a big success story here in

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the UK, and it looks like their shareholders will approve its

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takeover by the Japanese company Softbank. It is a huge deal, and

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after the announcement of the takeover there was a premium of 43%

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of the trading value and that's where shares are trading this

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morning. Theresa May has revealed an industrial strategy from the

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Government will take a more critical eye at takeovers, the backdrop to

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this is Cadbury and Kraft and also the botched takeover of Pfizer and

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AstraZeneca seem not to be in the interests of the firms involved. The

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first real test was whether the Government would take a closer look

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at this. It seems it won't, it seems the investor confidence priority

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post-referendum vote has taken priority over industrial strategy

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and we expect that by Friday, Arm will delist from the FTSE 100. It is

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quite phenomenal really. It is, the huge story. Another big story this

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morning is where the negotiations between this free trade deal. We

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heard the German economy Minister saying he thinks negotiations will

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all but fail, over the weekend. Where are we? Officials have been

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negotiating this for about three years now, but actually I think as

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we enter into the electoral cycle, most obviously in the US in

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November, but also in French and German elections in 2017, the

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politicians are looking back at their electorates and saying there

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is no support for free trade arrangements. Most of the electorate

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look at arrangements that have been brokered over the last 20, 30 years,

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and don't see a material benefit for themselves so public support to try

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to have common standards and regulatory processes, certainly

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controversial in Europe where it is billed as a race to the bottom in

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terms of regulation, it means these things will certainly be parked as

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we get through the electoral cycle and arguably parked for good.

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Interesting given that we will be in the thick of that negotiating

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situation as well. Simon will return to look at the

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papers and about five minutes. Also still to come...

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Building affordable accommodation for low income workers.

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We'll be talking to one entrepreneur who's about to open a hotel

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You're with Business Live from BBC News

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Foreign companies invested a record amount into the UK

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The figures don't cover the period after the EU referendum,

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but the figures suggest the UK is once again the most

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attractive destination in the EU for foreign firms.

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Our economics correspondent Andrew Walker can tell us more.

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Andrew, walk us through these figures? One of the really striking

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ones is the suggestion that there are 116,000 jobs either created or

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protected as a result of investment from outside the UK. There is

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striking, and in particular the Department of International trade

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highlights Britain's status, it says, as the most popular

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destination in Europe for investment from emerging economies. We have

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some growth in investment from, they mention particularly, China, Hong

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Kong and India. One of the central planks in the campaign to leave the

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European Union was the idea that Britain could develop its economic

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relationship with countries outside of the great emerging economies

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outside the EU, like the three that I mentioned, more effectively. These

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figures don't cover the period since the referendum, but at the very

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least they suggest that any uncertainty created in advance of

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the vote does not seem to have had any effect on inward investment,

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certainly not as revealed by the Department of International Trade's

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new figures. It is interesting, because as we get

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more data coming in, it seems fairly positive? The bulk of it has been.

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The one major exception to that was the survey data, the purchasing

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index, which was what prompted the Bank of England into taking it very

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striking action, cutting interest rates and restarting quantitative

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easing. But a great deal of the data, particularly on consumer

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spending, has been relatively positive. It has certainly suggested

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no overwhelming short-term impact on the British economy. Many economists

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would say we need to look to the longer term to see just how business

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investment decisions respond over a longer period to the vote, and the

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uncertainty created by Britain's future relationship with the EU

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might have some impact, but much of what we have had so far has been

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positive. Our top story - the tech giant Apple

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could face a multi-billion dollar tax bill following an investigation

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by the European Union. After a three-year probe

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into the company's tax arrangements with the Irish government,

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the findings of a European Union investigation are expected

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to be released today. As soon as we hear, we will update

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you. Now let's get the inside track on the global problem of housing.

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Many people just can't afford housing.

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One young social entrepreneur has launched Chototel,

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a hotel start-up chain which seeks to provide the lowest paid

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workers with affordable and dignified accommodation.

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The first is opening next month in a densely populated industrial

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town about 70 miles south of Mumbai, with three others planned

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in the same town in the following four months.

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Each Chototel will offer clean, digitally connected and carefully

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The cheapest accommodation costs roughly 50 cents a night -

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around one tenth of the typical $5 a day received by the

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Chototel is planning to expand to the UK, UAE and Nigeria

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She's the founder of Chototel, a chain of super-budget hotels.

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Good morning, thank you for coming in. You are based in Mumbai. You are

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just 24, which is very young to be starting up a company, but you are a

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third generation entrepreneur all about social provision. Tell us

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more? When you start off a business you always ask yourself, what are

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your goals, are they clear enough to do? I think the most important

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question that we should ask ourselves is our these goals in spy

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business like this, it is very hard on the ground. Everything that can

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go wrong inevitably goes wrong. Unless you have those inspiring

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goals and that purpose in your vision, it does not give you the

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motivation to fight another day. What greater joy than two solve the

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most under Salt market segments, that is where we innovate from? We

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mentioned you are fairly young, but your great-uncle, your father, they

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have all been involved in this kind of thing in India, so you grew up in

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that environment? I would imagine they have helped you a lot? Most

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definitely. I have had more than 20 years of work. -- work experience.

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My uncle would come and discuss business at the dining table. Talk

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me through the business model, it is a wonderful social enterprise, but

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you have -- how have you created a hotel which so undercuts your

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competitors? It works similarly to house rentals, where we own the acid

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itself, which is appreciating in value, then you also benefit from

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the monthly or the daily rents that you get from the residents. It is a

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pretty hi-tech operation, talk me through how you work at someone's

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bill, utility bill, Internet bill at such a technology plays a very large

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part in why we can provide accommodation at $2 a night. We use

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technology to build quicker, to run the hotels in an unmanned way. Most

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importantly, we use financial technology to make sure money is

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moved real-time and information is available anywhere. So you can

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monitor usage of utilities like water and lighting, but they are

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paying you digitally, the whole thing is running smoothly from that

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point of view? If they are not paying you, they literally can't get

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in the door? They are locked out? You know, we do use technology, it

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is an important part of being able to scale the business. Unless

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technology is that every point, it is impossible to run a very large

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scale operation. You are planning to roll out the pilot in the by, then

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you have plans to expand into the UAE and the UK. That fantastic price

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point that we have talked about, how will that vary across these

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different territories? Over year, we can afford to pay a little more than

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$2 a night, but it is possible that around $5 in the UAE and about $8 in

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the UK. How do you vet the people staying, is it first-come,

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first-served? In your brief it says that if they were not staying in

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your hotel it is likely they would be sleeping in the streets? We are

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very firm believers of free markets, whether it is prices... The people

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coming in, it has to be market-driven. The minute we give a

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subsidy or accept one, our business is not scalable. The model is not

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replicable. It is very much driven by the market. The solution to that,

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which would be increasing the amount of supply available, but would keep

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the prices low. Thank you the coming in, Rhea Silva. Fascinating, we

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shall keep an eye on what Europe to Chototel, definitely.

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Let's see what other stories are being talked

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In a moment we'll take a look through the business pages,

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Simon has returned. You have been getting in touch, Michelle Fleury

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has appealed to you, we have had some tweets about Apple.

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Our question is whether Apple should have to pay tax apples in Ireland?

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One person has said the company is literally richer than many

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countries, they should pay every penny.

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Another person says taxes should be collected where firms realise their

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value is added, the aggressive EU tax policy is getting out of its

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scope. It is interesting, Simon? Your thoughts? The corporation tax

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regime was designed in a period capital was not able to freely move

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across borders. It is wholly unfit for purpose. The OECD nanograms 20

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run top of this and looking at base erosion profit shifting, as one as

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your Tweet suggested, looking at where the profit is geographically

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generated and taxed in that location. That is hard given the

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technology systems available to the tax collecting bodies, but it is the

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direction of trouble. Simon Jack said earlier, this is

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retrospectively looking at quite aggressive Corporation Tax policies

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from Ireland. If somebody came to you and said we want to relocate due

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to Warsaw, we have a big offer, this is the financial the war sword charm

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offensive to woo London bankers. Would you pack your bags? Probably

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not. That is not a slight on Poland or Warsaw, but Warsaw is just one

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city trying to take advantage of the referendum vote, trying to get by

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this -- bankers and businesses to relocate. At -- Paris is another

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one. But I think it will fall on deaf ears, because we do not know

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which financial plus sporting will be available in the UK, post-Brexit.

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Thank you for coming in, and thank you for your company. Goodbye.

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Whilst we can look forward to another fine day with warm spells of

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such a coming through, you might have heard that out in the Atlantic

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there is Hurricanes Gaston Pereiro a category two hurricane, not far off

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being category

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