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We start in Japan where Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is hosting

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Russian President Vladimir Putin at a summit in Tokyo.

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He's the first G7 leader to host Mr Putin since

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sanctions were imposed over the Ukraine conflict.

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That's not the only reason it's a big deal.

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The two countries have never signed a peace treaty formally

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ending World War Two because they are still

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in dispute over four islands in the Western Pacific,

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which Soviet forces occupied at the end of the war.

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But the reality is they have a serious business relationship

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Trade between Russia and Japan has soared in recent years.

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It is now worth more than $33 billion a year.

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That's three times what it was ten years ago.

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Japan is cash-rich and Russia is desperate for investment,

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particularly to its far eastern region.

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Russian officials say some 68 deals have already been signed.

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There are reports that its huge state gas company Gazprom

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is exploring partnerships with Japanese conglomerates

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Basically, Japan needs all of its energy brought in.

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At the moment it relies on the Arabian Gulf -

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but Russia has huge amounts and is on its doorstep.

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It also wants help with issues like cyber security.

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Chris Weafer is the co-founder of analysts Macro Advisory Partners.

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Welcome to the programme. Darren Cave is that background, but in the

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headlines we have also heard that Barack Obama, still US president,

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has said they will tackle the hacking situation that came from

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Russia. We have heard also that EU leaders want to extend sanctions

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against Russia for another six months. None of this seems to

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concern Shinzo Abe? Know, and it is not concerning investors. The

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markets are strongly this year, just this week we heard that German

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companies have invested more in Russia this year in the first nine

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months than in all of 2015. People are beginning to look beyond the

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Obama administration so it will end Obama administration so it will end

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in January when Donald Trump comes in with a different agenda, it is

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also clear that the EU struggles more and more each meeting to get a

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consensus to end sanctions. The view that business and investors take is

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that we are nearly at the end, provided nothing bad happens in

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2017. As Aaron points out, the

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relationship between Russia and Japan makes a lot of sense, Japan is

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energy poor and cashrich, Russia has a lot of energy. These energy deals

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could be worked through? Both countries were talking about energy

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cooperation before sanctions, we are getting back to that agenda again.

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They say there is a lot of energy in Russia and it is very close to

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Japan. Japan is looking at the fact that its neighbour, South Korea, has

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been raising investment quite substantially in Russia and Central

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Asia and does not want to lose out. From the Japanese perspective there

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is either the issue of China and Chinese dominance affecting Russia,

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perhaps they can act as a moderating influence, rather than if it was

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entirely sided with China, which is a great fear.

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You look at the picture of Russia and President Putin and you go, what

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is going on? Cooperation with the Saudis, a deal with Qatar, deals

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with Japan, Putin has this... More of a global vision today? We have

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seen that evolving, particularly since 2014. President Putin bemoaned

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the fact that what he saw was Russia had moved too closely to the west,

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it was going to put all its eggs in one basket. In 2014 there was almost

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a knee jerk reaction to the China pivot, that has not worked out.

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China has not invested much. Since the last year we have seen Russia

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adopting globalisation, diversification, trying to do as

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many deals as possible for the Kremlin. That is good business and

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good politics. I think globalisation will be the way forward.

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Looking forward briefly, how does that tell you about trade deals and

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how they will go in the future, we are looking at more bilateral

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country to country and putting aside these big multi-country deals? The

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belt this is a discussion about globalisation -- this is a

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discussion about globalisation and there is thought that it is coming

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to an end. If the Trump administration follows through, it

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will mark the end of the old-style globalisation. Bilateral deals, I

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think bartering is as good a word as any. Russia has always been good at

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that and that is the intention, we have energy or whatever rocks, in

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return we want investment political support. Bilateral deals,

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old-fashioned bartering is where we are heading.

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Thank you very much for your time this morning. Have a good weekend.

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Pressure on Yahoo has continued to grow after the internet company

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revealed that it was the victim of another huge hacking attack

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in 2013 - in which 1 billion user accounts were accessed.

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The hack was done in 2013, that was revealed yesterday, that it was 1

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billion people. The company's shares closed down

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more than 6% on Wall Street on fears that a planned $4.8 billion sale

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to telecoms firm Verizon According to reports in the US,

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Verizon is now trying to persuade Yahoo to amend the terms

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of the acquisition agreement The Greek parliament has defied

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international creditors providing its bailout funds

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and voted through a one-off Plans for the 617 million euro

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pre-Christmas handout were opposed by European bodies negotiating

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Greece's financial lifeline. A deal agreed earlier this month

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to provide the next tranche of debt Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras said

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Greece would not be blackmailed. US authorities have accused six

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pharmaceutical firms from the US, It is alleged the companies

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conspired to raise the price of the antibiotic doxycycline

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and diabetes drug glyburide. The civil lawsuit has been

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filed in 20 US states. It follows criminal charges being

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brought against former executives Figures from the US Treasury show

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that Japan has overtaken China China has been selling its foreign

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currency reserves in a bid to prop John Sudworth is in our Beijing

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bureau and can tell us more. Good to see you, happy Friday. Japan

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holds more debt, US debt, than any other country in the world?

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That's right, it has taken the crown back, if you like, as the biggest

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holder of US debt. It is not because of what it has been doing but what

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China has been doing, selling off US Treasuries. What China wants at the

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moment, basically, is dollar assets to use them to prop up the value of

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its currency, which isn't a huge amount of pressure. All of the

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debate we heard in the US election cycle about China devaluing its

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currency, the truth is that all the action is focused on trying to prop

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up the value, because China fears a rapid and uncontrolled devaluation,

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and the more likely it looks that US interest rates will rise further,

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the more pressure it puts on the Chinese UN and the more that has to

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be done to stem the tide of capital rushing for the exit. What does it

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mean for the rest of us? Good question. China is burning through

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its foreign currency reserves for the same purpose, added some point

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China may need to consider either a devaluation or putting in place

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stringent capital controls. But, of course, would send a shocking signal

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to the rest of the economy and indeed be likely to have an impact

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on us all elsewhere in the world. John, I am glad you raise the

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question and answer that, because I was opposed to! Bet I was supposed

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to. Asian stocks struggled for traction

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on Friday as global markets continued adjusting to the idea

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of higher US interest rates. Remembering a lot of those emerging

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economies are holding US dollar debt and higher interest rates in America

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- makes that debt more Europe - pretty much the same story

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- still digesting the FED decision and looking to Wall Street -

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which I must say had its worst day in two months or put it this way -

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four stocks fell for every one that Talking of the US - let's pop over

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and see what should be making the biz headlines

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today, here's Samira. Investors will be looking for more

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fallout from the revelation that Yahoo faced a massive data breach

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affecting 1 billion customers. How is the US housing market herring

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these days? The commerce Department is expected to say that housing

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starts fell in the month of November.

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Building permits are expected to slip for the month. With the recent

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rise to US interest rates, many will be paying attention to the housing

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market and how higher borrowing costs may impact that sector.

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Finally, error parts maker Honeywell International is scheduled to

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announce its financial expectations for the year 2017 before US markets

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opened for trading. Joining us is Jane Foley, Senior

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Currency Strategist at Rabobank. Thank you for coming in. We wanted

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to start with sterling, it has rallied recently? Looking back to

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October, we had a sharp fall in sterling on top of what we had after

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the referendum in June, that is because the market was very fearful

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of hard Brexit. That just means Brexit without access to the

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European single market. Since then, the market has taken a different

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tone and has begun to think that there might be access after all,

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sterling has a very binary relationship with talk about hard

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Brexit, soft Brexit. Since October, sterling has performed better. This

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year has been very political, Trump, Brexit, the Italian referendum. What

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will the market to be keeping their eye on next year? Politics? Very

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much so, Brexiters very much there, in 2017 we will find out how

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complicated Brexit will be, then it is elections in Europe. We have seen

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in the US and Brexit lots of protest votes, movement towards the far

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right and the far left in some countries, the elections next year

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we have the Dutch elections in March, the French presidential

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election in the spring and the German election. We are likely to

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see more votes cast for the far right, but opinion polls right now

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suggest they will not be able to form a Government in the Netherlands

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and France, certainly not in Germany, so the euro will be there

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Eve Pollard tile, it will have a dominating effect on the markets.

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The opinion polls say that the far right will not be able to farm --

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for those governments. Will be US dollar continue going up? May before

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now, but we are a bit sceptical about the revelations so maybe

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things will be looking different by the end of next year. We will see

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you shortly for a look at the paper. -- papers.

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The US central bank raised interest rates this week -

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and said more hikes are probably in the works for next year.

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We'll chew over that - and the rest of the week's news

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with our economics editor Kamal Ahmed.

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You're with Business Live from BBC News.

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A few months ago, the future of low-cost airline

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Then it secured ?165 million of funds from its shareholder,

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Greybull Capital and has just updated the City on its profits.

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Joining us from the BBC Newsroom is Andrew Swaffield,

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Great to have you want the programme. Let's be frank, a hell of

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a year for you guys? Slightly relieved with the numbers today? I'm

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pleased with a profitable results, ?48 million EBITDA profit in a

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difficult year with a combination of terrorism and the collapse in the

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value of the pound, as I'm sure your viewers are aware the British

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airlines take most of their revenue in pounds and most of our costs go

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out in euros and dollars, sue the exchange rate has a big effect. It

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has been a challenging year, but pleased to be profitable and looking

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forward we see strong bookings, especially for next summer, which we

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are encouraged about. On the point of looking forward, you are going to

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have new destinations, but I want to talk about a new fleet, a new fuel

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efficient fleet you will bring on board, around 2018? Finnair

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introduced the Airbus 350 and now saves a million bucks a year on fuel

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on that aircraft, you're looking at 18 of those, a savings of 80

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million, these new fuel-efficient planes are important? The Boeing 737

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Max eight comes in from March 2018 for us, we expect 24% fuel savings

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on an annual fuel budget of ?130 million. That is a phenomenal boost

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to the bottom line. It is great for the environment as well and these

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are much quieter aircraft. They also have a much more customer friendly

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interior as well. Very excited. I'm sure the customers will be

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excited. Thank you for joining us. Let's see what is going on live

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page. Which? Is bringing a super complaint against the banks, to help

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people tricked into transferring money into a fraudster's account but

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unfortunately it looks like they will not get them to pay the money

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back but they want to give them more assistance. OK.

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You're watching Business Live - the leaders of Russia and Japan have

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agreed more than 60 trade deals as Shinzo Abe becomes the first G7

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leader to host Vladimir Putin since sanctions were imposed

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on Moscow because of the Ukraine conflict.

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A quick look at how markets are faring.

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They are still digestive and what we saw on Wednesday, same old story.

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American Central bank, the US Fed, been a long time coming, they

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pressed the button, the cost of borrowing rose in the world's

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biggest economy but the markets are still digestive that. It's one of

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the big stories of the week. It is what we are going to talk to Kamal

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Ahmed about. He joins us to talk about that story. The US Federal

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Reserve have raised interest rates, the UK Central bank held it steady,

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why the different approaches? It is about economic performances.

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We are seeing macroeconomic trends that will dominate next year, so if

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we look at America and why the Fed raised rates after threatening to

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four 12 months, the American economy is strengthening, clearly. -- for 12

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months. Unemployment is at record lows, some inflation is coming back

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into the system and the world is waiting to see what President-elect

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Trump will do on the fiscal side with boosting infrastructure

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investment. That compares with Europe, Britain and the Eurozone and

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the other members of the European Union where growth is still

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relatively weak, there are still fears over the trajectory of travel

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for the economies in Europe and the European Central Bank still doing

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negative interest rates to stimulate the economy monetarily. And then you

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have Asia and the problem of capital flows coming out of Asia into the

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American markets because there are higher levels of yield so the Asian

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currencies are under pressure. America is going in One Direction,

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Europe in the middle and Asia on the other side, this big diversion will

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be the big macro trend for next year. What does that mean in real

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terms, the US powering ahead and we are back here. It is about

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investment money. If you imagined a big investment funds which look

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where to put the money in the investment in businesses which

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create jobs, they are thinking to themselves, where will I get the

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best yield and return for my money? America looks more attractive

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because of high interest rates meaning you get better returns and

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the banks are operating with better profit margins meaning they invest

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more into the economy, lend more to businesses and at the same time as

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there are still fears about Europe, talking about political risk on the

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programme already. In Asia we have the big issue of what is the

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relationship between Japan, China and Russia? If America becomes more

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in Schiller how will that play out? The Asian economies have these

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issues are very connected to America. If capital flows to America

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how will the Asian economies perform? We can now talk about EU

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sanctions, as we hear they have been extended against Russia for another

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six months. Not all EU countries were in favour, they wanted it

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easing slightly because of the impact on their economies. Germany

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is the country that has the strongest links in trade terms with

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Russia, but again this is all about the issue around the pivot and where

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does Russia now look to for allies. Of course, in the Middle East and

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what is going on in Syria will have some effect about the economic

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relationships with the rest of the world. America may now have a more

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friendly President in President-elect Trump than it has

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had under President Obama. And also, what will the relationship be

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between China, Russia and Japan in Asia? And at that stage, the

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European Union is worrying, to an extent, given the rise in commodity

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prices. Russia still produces a third of commodities exported around

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the world. What will Europe's relationship be with Russia if we

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have this aggressive sanctions regime at the time Russia is looking

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to increase its economic activity with other countries around the

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world. I thought we would have 20 seconds, I was going to ask about

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the Fox and Sky deal, they tried five years ago and failed. They are

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looking for a bigger content platform to take them from Europe,

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India and America and bring all of those bits of the business together.

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It's part of the picture, we are seeing content providers hooking up

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with distributors. Kamal Ahmed, thank you for your time

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this morning. Venezuela's most popular

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banknote is no longer The 100 Bolivar note is worth

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less than two US cents. And the country's economic crisis

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has meant extradordinary They will introduce new coins and

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banknotes. The International Monetary Fund

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estimates that next year's prices And this latest move

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is already causing even more Joining us is Jane Foley, Senior

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Currency Strategist at Rabobank. We are going to talk through the

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papers. Starting with the story we mentioned at the top, these flatpack

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apartments, flats being used as one way to tackle the UK's housing

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crisis, they are being used around the world and also in the UK. These

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are in south London in the picture. I think it looks amazing.

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Is about the size of a shipping container, containing a two-bedroom

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flat. It says in the article, it had something that cost. So much for the

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highlighting! What do you think of these? The cost is 20% cheaper than

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a traditional house and this particular product in Luton the

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article says will be sold off, so these flats are temporary but the

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beauty is they can be taken down and rebuilt somewhere else up to five

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times. Just take them off and pop them like Lego. They are timber

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framed and I am trying to build a timber framed house myself so I can

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confidently say I would live in one of these. They are timber framed and

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in the factory big kitchens and washing machines are put into them

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and they are dropped in place from the back of a lorry already done.

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The lift and stairs must be put in afterwards that they have a fairly

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fast completion time. I must say, the reports from the residents here,

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people who have been moved into them, are very positive. I think

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they are a great solution. If it works.

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Given the prices of London property. This report size 120,000 children

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homeless at the moment and they also cite that although we are building

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more houses we are nowhere near building as many as we need to at

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the moment. Let's talk about the big hacking

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story. Yahoo, they came out and said they had 1 billion accounts hacked

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in 2013, apparently didn't know about it. This is the thing, we

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didn't know about it, we knew about a scandal in 2014, 500 million

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accounts, and this is something we hadn't heard about and it happened

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before and it was 1 billion accounts hacked. Did they really know or not?

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They have been negotiating this near $5 billion deal with Verizon, the

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former boss walked away with a nice big paycheque. They are talking

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about having to walk away from the steel or maybe discount it and the

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discount is reported in here today are up to 3 billion, so 3 billion

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potential discount on a deal worth 4.8 billion is huge. Verizon's

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concern is that Yahoo will lose users and they will lose the

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valuable customer base. Yes, this is why they want to buy Yahoo to rival

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the likes of Facebook and Google. They want consumers' information to

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help them with advertising. That is what they want and if consumers walk

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away there is nothing there for them. Grace Dove, Jane. Merry

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Christmas, have a wonderful time off. That's it. You are off for

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Christmas as well. I am, so lucky. That is it for

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today. More business news on Monday. Hi, it has been a cloudy week and

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today will be a cloudy day again. Weather front across western areas,

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you can see on the satellite picture coming across the Atlantic and

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stalling and becoming slow-moving. This streak of cloud is a front

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