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This is Business Live from BBC News, with Jamie Robertson

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Yesterday he financed superhero movies, today he's

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the new US Treasury Secretary, but has Steven Mnuchin got what it

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takes to balance the books of the world's biggest economy?

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Live from London, that's our top story.

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He's rejected claims he profiteered from the financial crash and vows

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to do everything he can to boost the US economy.

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Also in the programme, Toshiba shocks investors

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It says it's "not ready" to unveil financial results,

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as the mystery over its nuclear division gets even murkier.

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The biggest mover in the market so far is the Footsie.

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Tired of cramped legs and aching backs after

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We'll meet the company aiming to put the luxury back into flying,

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At the other end of the scale, Dubai has just tested its first

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Today we want to know, how comfortable would you feel

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being whizzed about in the air without a pilot on board?

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In the last few hours, former banker Steven Mnuchin has

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been confirmed as the new Treasury Secretary.

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As jobs go, it's a very important one.

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Besides serving as the nation's banker, paying its bills, collecting

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taxes and managing its debt, the Secretary is also one

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of the leading regulators of banks and Wall Street.

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So how well do we think he'll perform in this new role?

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He's been criticised as a Wall Street insider,

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having spent 17 years working for Goldman Sachs, and also setting

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This has enabled him to finance dozens of high-profile Hollywood

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films, including titles like Suicide Squad and

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Last April he joined the Trump campaign when the organisation's

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Now he's deeply involved in developing the President's tax

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proposals, which could deliver as much as $6 trillion in tax

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Most controversially, he's been accused of profiting

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In 2009, Mnuchin assembled a group of investors to buy

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He renamed it OneWest and turned it around,

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selling it for a large profit in 2014.

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Housing-advocacy groups claim OneWest foreclosed

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on more than 36,000 homeowners in California.

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Here's how Steven Mnuchin responded to the criticism.

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Since I was first nominated to serve as Treasury Secretary I have been

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maligned as taking advantage of others' hardship

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Nothing could be further from the truth.

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During the summer of 2008 I saw the devastation that was caused

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by the housing crisis, when I watched people line up

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to get their life's savings out of IndyMac bank.

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It was the middle of the financial crisis, and despite the global panic

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Professor Inderjeet Parmar, International Politics,

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First, let me finish my Twitter question. How would you feel about

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jumping into a pilotless drone? Would you fly? Let us know, use the

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hashtag. Let's get stuck into this story. What is going on with Donald

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Trump? You can never guess, but he said he is going to clean up the

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swamp, stop Wall Street from ruling, and one of the most important jobs

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he has placed a long term big Wall Street man. Absolutely, he has gone

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everything -- against everything he stood for in the election, he

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Clinton for Goldman Sachs, but this Clinton for Goldman Sachs, but this

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is a heavy accent on the power of Wall Street in American Government

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this time, because Barack Obama in the wake of the financial crisis

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also appointed somebody straight from the New York Federal reserve

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and a former central banker. So this is nothing new in that sense. The

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revolving door between Wall Street and Washington, DC continues to

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operate. Mottram has not changed it, but he is going to have a go at some

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of the regulation that was introduced in the various laws after

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Barack Obama was elected. What do you think... Will he be determined

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as president Trump is to rein them in, and will Congress go along with

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Trump is. It separated Rigoletto is Trump is. It separated Rigoletto is

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from the regulated somewhat, protected through the kitchen

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production financial bureau some consumers, and those regulations

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will be stripped back. Progress is done on it by Republicans. Some of

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them may have reservations, but most of them will be looking forward to a

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bonfire of regulations in general. The Treasury Secretary also has

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control over sanctions. It will be very interesting. With Russia,

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right? The United States has imposed

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sanctions on Venezuela's Vice-President, accusing him

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of involvement in drug trafficking. The Americans say Tareck El Aissami

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facilitated huge shipments of narcotics from Venezuela by air

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and sea, and protected There was no immediate

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reaction from Mr El Aissami, Inflation in China reached 2.5%

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in January, the highest since May 2014, and faster

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than analysts had predicted. Inflation expectations are rising

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in most major economies as the recovery in commodities

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provides a boost to prices. Markets now believe that a Chinese

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interest rate rise is more likely, though inflation still remain

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within the central Japanese electronics giant Toshiba

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has seen shares plunge as the firm delayed a crucial announcement

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expected to detail Rupert Wingfield Hayes

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is in Tokyo for us. Who have got the latest news that

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they might have been a resignation? It is a roller-coaster here today,

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first they were going to announce their free quarterly results,

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Toshiba was not expected to announce a huge net loss, but then they

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cancelled the announcement. In the last half an hour the chairman of

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Toshiba came onto the stage at the headquarters to say he is resigning,

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to take responsibility for the mess that the company is in. Although he

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says he will stay on until the June shareholder meeting. He is

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definitely going, but not quite yet, perhaps. On the Japanese news agency

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in the last few seconds, they have said estimated losses for the last

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three quarters of 5 billion US dollars for Toshiba. That is more

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than was expected. That is not from the company, that is from the news

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agency. That they could look at the Asian

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markets. Guess why dedicate is down, maybe something to do with Toshiba.

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European markets have all opened pretty mixed at the moment, just

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waiting to see what happens. " Things coming up.

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Lawrence Gosling, editor-in-chief of Investment Week.

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Always good to see you. I was mentioning China's inflation

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numbers, we are getting inflation in the UK. We are expecting 1.9%, an

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increase. Still relatively low, but the direction of travel is what

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concerns economists. Will it keep increasing? On a global scale, do we

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like inflation? We like a little bit. Central banks like it if they

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can control it. They wanted to gently rise and then stop when they

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want. Businesses can put their prices up and nobody notices.

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Exactly. We like it as employees, because we might get more of a pay

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rise. It is an illusion. Not if you work for the BBC!

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Janet Yellen is speaking in the state.

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The boss of America's Central bank. She is before the Senate committee,

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economy, she is in the last few economy, she is in the last few

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months of her term in the Federal Reserve, so she will not say

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anything outlandish, we don't think. When Trump was coming in to power,

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we always thought they were going to butt heads,...

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They are waiting. There will come a point where they will go

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head-to-head, especially when her successor begins to be mooted. A

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quick word on corporate news. Quite a lot of bad news around, we have

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heard about Toshiba, Rolls-Royce, what is the mood in the market in

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the way about corporate score? We heard about a lot of corporate news

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with in the regional companies that had problems building up. A binary

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market, good companies are doing well and about companies are getting

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the bad news out quite early in the year, so it is no cover incidents.

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Tired of getting off long-haul flights feeling achy and cranky?

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We'll get the science and secrets of designing

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You're with Business Live from BBC News.

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Engine maker Rolls-Royce has reported a ?4.6 billion loss

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It follows a tough few years for the British firm,

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which has been fined ?671 million for bribery, faced challenging

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market conditions and struggled with the recent fall in the pound.

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Joining us now from the Newsroom is independent aerospace

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It is a staggering number. Is it mostly due to the currency? To have

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a loss of 4.6 billion, is it mostly the drop in the pound? It is. This

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is a company that manufactures its aero engines in the UK and in

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Singapore and a few in the states. But it sells everything in dollars.

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If your costs are in sterling and sterling falls in the way it has,

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and these contracts are arranged several years in advance, you get an

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order and the delivery stage maybe six or seven years as head before it

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is completed, you have to take your hedging at the start, so you have to

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think where your currency might be five or six years before, that is

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the problem for them, nobody anticipated sterling could fall in

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the way it has, because we did not expect Brexit.

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They are going to say the worst is behind them, drawing a line in the

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sand, is that true? The worst is behind them in terms of hedging, I

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hope. It is behind them in terms of the deferred prosecution agreement,

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the cash is yet to come out, but there is one further straw in the

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wind, the change of accounting standards, which will fit them next

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year. It will be some years before we see really decent profits. The

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underlying profits will be there, and they will get better because of

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the cost efficiencies, but there are some straws in the wind yet. But

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Rolls-Royce is a strong company, it will get through this, and it is

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managing its way through all of its problems extreme you well with a

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very good team. You are such a creep! I'm joking.

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Our top story, there's a new man in charge

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Wall Street executive and Hollywood movie financier,

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Steven Mnuchin has been appointed US Treasury Secretary.

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A quick look at how markets are faring.

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A fairly mixed picture. The FTSE down. It is not mixed at all, it is

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all down, isn't it? There is the pound and dollar. It

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has been at 125, 130 all week. It is pretty stable. It is not going

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anywhere. That's perhaps because there is no big news to shake the

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pound, dollar rate. Have you ever touched down

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after a long-haul flight Well, our next guest

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is on a mission to make those days He's the boss of Acumen Design

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Associates which specialises in putting the luxury back

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into travel through The firm was founded in 1981

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and focuses on transport Acumen made its name in the aviation

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industry by designing the British Airways bed in the sky,

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the world's first flat bed aboard More recently Acumen has

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designed the next level in super-luxury commercial flight

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with the Etihad Airways Residence which includes a living room

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and separate bedroom with en suite Ian Dryburgh is CEO and Founder

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of Acumen Design Associates Ian, it is great to have you with us

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onth programme. I love this area. The first flat bed. Then and you're

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dealing with 35 different airlines. So yeah, my question would be, if I

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am he an airline, and I want you to make a seat, how are you going to

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make it any different for me when you've done 35 others? Clearly, they

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weren't all simultaneously. With every airline and every culture, an

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airline is almost a flag carrier effectively and so each airline

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generates its own brief. It generates new opportunities. So

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where did the ideas come from? Is it the airline who say, "This is what

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we want." Do you come up? Where is we want." Do you come up? Where is

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the creativity? Acumen is an inowe Environment Agency'ses company as

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much as waiting for a brief to come in. We've developed our own IP, I

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might come up with a new super efficient layout for Business Class

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as we've done for United Airlines so I would licence that IP to them.

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Other times someone like another airline would come and say, "We want

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the best first class in the world. Can you help us?" United's new

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product, you designed that where? The idea came to me on the way home

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on the train! On a train? You were sitting there... I was scribbling an

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idea. Halfs it? What made you think about it? I was thinking it would be

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the Holy Grail for airlines and customers in terms of efficiency and

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by coming up with this new layout which nests the seats in line and

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her ring bone we managed to create a super efficient lay-out. Is this

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where you come up with your ideas, on the train? Quite often. Really?

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Not exclusively. We have a very good team at Acumen which I'm very proud

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of and it is very much a team effort. I'm wondering if you're part

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of the some of the problem now for the airlines, I'm jesting, but a lot

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of the airlines are getting rid of their first class product and it is

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becoming a business or top of their range executive product. It is hard

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to different ate between a first class seat now and the business

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class seats are first class seats, aren't they? Very true. When you

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look at what we created for BA, the bed in the sky, that was first class

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and that's business class now. With the airlines reducing the size of

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the first class cabins, most of them anyway, they often go down to our

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dual class or try class. The battle ground shifted to economy and

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business class moving forward. So you will design stuff for the likes

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of me, and not just for the likes of Aaron? We're on the case! That's

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going to be tricky. You are still limited. The airlines need X amount

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of seats and you have only got so much space? It is a fine balance

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when economics and looking after the passengers' interests and improving

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their lot obviously. You do paper towels and also some health products

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as well. That's right. Why do you suddenly rush off in different

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directions and do other things? I thought you would specialise in just

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doing seats and things like that? We are an innovations company. So we

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get involved with product design as much as transport design. On our

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innovation arm, we have been founding shareholders of start-ups,

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you know, in terms of the paper company like you referred to, the

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world's first round paper towel. A round paper towel? And medical

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products. We got involved in a start-up on anti- anti-Deep Vein

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Thrombosis. Clever professors came up with a technology and we turned

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it into a product. We've got to wrap it up Ian. You must travel around

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the world. How often do you fly on the seats that you've designed? Not

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as often as I'd like! What if you got into one of your seats and

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thought, "I don't like this. Maybe we need to tweak it." Hopefully that

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keeps us in employment. That's what my wife tells me.

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We appreciate your timement thank you very much.

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Just keep talking Jamie. Just keep talking, Jamie!

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We are going to look at some of the business news stories and on the BBC

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evens website. . website.. We got this story which sort of

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began to break in the Budget. Self employment, rise in self employment

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was damaging tax revenues because they are not paying as much tax? The

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employment legislation was designed for the old world of employment

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where everyone was directly employed or properly self-employed. Here you

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have a number of clients and you're not working exclusively for anyone.

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People who can work for one employer can be treated as self-employed like

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delivery drivers. The gig economy? It is a double-edged sword. Some

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people like it. They like freedom and at the BBC we have been talking

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to people who have been talking about the up sides of the gig

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economy, work when you want, but the down side is you don't get a

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pension, you don't get paid holiday and ruthless employers will make you

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rent the equipment you need to do your job. Really? It is a

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double-edged sword and I think over time and we have this Government

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report out today, over time employment legislation will tighten

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up. Will they get tax back? If you stand back. Corporation tax is in

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decline. We maybe heading for an era where corporation tax is no longer

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levied on companies. You will end up with a thing where activity will be

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taxed. That's where we're headed in the long-term. So employment

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activity will be taxed because it is easy for companies to avoid

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corporation tax. It becomes an optional activity. You're turning

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this into HardTalk. This is a paper review!

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Let's talk about drones. That is quite... Would you step into that?

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Would you? You have got to work your way around a propeller. It is a

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Chinese made drone. It was shown off at a show in Dubai. If you have been

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to Dubai, Dubai's traffic is terrible by any world city

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standards. It is awful. They have they will have this thing flying

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around in Dubai in July. It carries one person. I'm not sure I'd jump

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in. But if you travel on London Underground most of the time you're

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travelling on a not driver controlled train. Not a driverless

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train, but the trains are driven by computers. So transport systems are

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largely run by machines rather than men. What happens if you have masses

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of them up there, that's when it gets scary. And a Tube train is not

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flying 500 feet up! Hopefully the technology is good

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enough so it won't have lots of crashes. Less than a minute left.

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Greece is back in the headlines, right. The amount of money it has to

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pay off between now and July, it's staggering. There are periodic

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crisis in Greece. A good way of gauging is looking at the price of

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its bonds. Its debt? On its Government debt. When things are

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really bad it got above 14%, we're only at 10% and 11%. We are a few

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minutes away from midnight. It is the same argument, the IMF doesn't

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want to lend money until it is reformed. Greece will never be able

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to pay this money back. The debt will never be able to be repaid. At

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sometime they will have to bite the bullet. That's hard for any German

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politician to sell at the moment. It depends who is in charge in Europe

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with all the votes going on. Dominic, thank you, mate.

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Wrap it up Jamie. That's it from Business Live today. There will be

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more business news throughout the day. We will see you later.

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Hello there. Good morning. We will start with a look back at

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yesterday's morning. There was a variety on offer. Many of us saw a

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good deal of sunshine, but that wasn't the case for all. There was a

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fair bit of cloud across the north-east

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