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Afternoon, folks. Welcome to Daily Politics. Who will pay for you, who | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
will look after you when you get old? Plans for an overhaul of the | :00:34. | :00:38. | |
system in England have been unveiled by economist Andrew Dilnot. | :00:38. | :00:42. | |
We will be asking, will be awash with the Treasury? | :00:42. | :00:48. | |
Is the Government in a bit of a pickle about housing benefit? It is | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
said the reforms will hit some of the country's poorest and create | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
several thousand homeless families. God save America on at this a | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
fourth July. London has a new statue of Ronald Reagan. God save | :01:04. | :01:14. | |
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the Gipper! Former mayor really Giuliani tells us why he mattered. | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
He was prepared to make compromises even when he couldn't get | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
everything you wanted. And Socrates has got hot under the | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
collar about it and so has Ruby Wax. We are talking about freedom of | :01:27. | :01:32. | |
speech. All that in the next half-hour on | :01:32. | :01:36. | |
this independent state, the day they signed the declaration of | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
independence in Philadelphia. -- this independent state. They | :01:40. | :01:49. | |
probably signed it on the third but things move slowly these days! On | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
this day, a man of many talents who knows all about these things. | :01:54. | :02:04. | |
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Author and broadcaster. He was even a former MP. A Conservative MP. | :02:04. | :02:10. | |
Gyles Brandreth. It is lovely to be here. I'll always excited! I had to | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
see the statue in the flesh so we can bring you a first-hand report. | :02:14. | :02:22. | |
Did you see the unveiling? It is a fine piece of statute. Last week, | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
one was unveiled in Hungary. But when Mr the statue of Lady Thatcher. | :02:27. | :02:35. | |
We can work on that. -- but I missed it the statute. Can I ask | :02:35. | :02:40. | |
you, though, because there was a big story and we will turn our | :02:40. | :02:45. | |
attention to this story briefly. Housing benefit. At the weekend, | :02:45. | :02:51. | |
the coalition was defending its plans to put a cap on benefits of | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
�500 a week. It has emerged of SENIOR civil servant warned in | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
January that the reductions could make an extra 20,000 people | :02:59. | :03:09. | |
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homeless. Last week, Grant Shapps said categorically that the most | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
vulnerable would not be made homeless. What is to become of | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
them? This is part of the game of modern politics or stop there has | :03:21. | :03:26. | |
to be a league because the discussion took place. Which one | :03:26. | :03:32. | |
knew about it, which one didn't? It is a complicated issue and the | :03:32. | :03:40. | |
intentions are good. There should be a limit and it may be that his | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
civil servant has said, there may be problems with this and problems | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
down the line. The background discussion is filtered out and then, | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
quite rightly, somebody like Liam Byrne jumps on the bandwagon and | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
says, look, the Government is in disarray. Some ministers know about | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
this, some don't. What is going on? There is confusion at the heart of | :04:00. | :04:06. | |
government. There is complexity at the heart of this issue. But if the | :04:06. | :04:13. | |
bottom line is, 40,000, not 20,000, could find themselves homeless, and | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
therefore, potentially, cost the Exchequer a lot more because of | :04:17. | :04:21. | |
course, they are going to have to be looked after in some way. Does | :04:21. | :04:27. | |
it not smack of cock-up? difficulty for politicians nowadays | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
is that if I answer your question by saying it is going to be 40,000 | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
extra home us, we have to look again. And then you might say, U- | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
turn. If Grant Shapps says it is not going to turn out that way, he | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
might be right. But if it is, he might have to re-examine it. We | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
have to see everything in black and white terms now and it is actually | :04:51. | :04:58. | |
more fluid and dynamic than that. If I were a politician I would be | :04:58. | :05:02. | |
doing what Liam Byrne is saying, saying this is a mess. Others are | :05:02. | :05:07. | |
saying, what is the truth of the matter? If you were an active | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
Conservative politician or collision politician, would you be | :05:11. | :05:14. | |
saying, the reality is, we have to cut 20 billion from somewhere and | :05:14. | :05:20. | |
it is going to be tough? It is, but I was saying as a Conservative, one | :05:20. | :05:24. | |
of the reasons we are in the collision is that we would not be | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
achieved in any of these cuts without a united opposition if we | :05:28. | :05:34. | |
were not in a collision. What these cuts might turn out to be is a | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
slowing down of the increases. The slowing down of the growth of the | :05:37. | :05:44. | |
debt. They are not cuts in real terms. We're very pleased that you | :05:44. | :05:54. | |
are here, because we have his whole hat stand of hat. It is time for | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
our daily quiz and we will be talking about free speech. It is | :05:58. | :06:03. | |
all about free speech. Which of these is not protected by the First | :06:03. | :06:13. | |
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We are going to find out a little later in the programme. Now, the | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
thorny issue of painful social care is back with us again, with a | :06:21. | :06:28. | |
report out this morning by the Economist Andrew Dilnot. He used to | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
be a member of the Institute of Fiscal Studies and he has been | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
tasked by the Government to look into how we look after the elderly | :06:36. | :06:44. | |
and disabled in care. That is for England. It became a hot political | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
potato during the campaign. But will the Government have the | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
campaign and resources to act? people are arguing that social care | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
is in dire need of reform in England. The number of 17-year-olds | :06:56. | :07:06. | |
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is going to jump by 70% in the next 20 years. -- 70-year-olds. -- by | :07:08. | :07:16. | |
50%. A cap will be put off �35,000 and above that, the state will pay. | :07:16. | :07:23. | |
He has also said the means-tested threshold should be increased to | :07:23. | :07:27. | |
�100,000. His report also argues that all of those who enter | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
adulthood with their care and support needs should be eligible | :07:30. | :07:35. | |
for free state support and that should be immediate. The Dilnot | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
Commission estimates the cost will be around �1.7 billion, and that is | :07:40. | :07:47. | |
based on a care cost cap of �35,000. This could rise as more people into | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
retirement. We are going to hear what Government thinks a little | :07:50. | :07:59. | |
later this afternoon. We will now hear from Norman lamb, Nick Clegg's | :07:59. | :08:07. | |
chief of staff, and the Conservative MP Matthew Hancock. | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
Welcome to the programme. We are already hearing this morning that | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
this report is going to be kicked into the long grass because the | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
Treasury doesn't think we can afford it. What do you say? I am | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
quite positive about it, and Diane also positive that all three | :08:24. | :08:29. | |
parties have said there need to be cross-party talks and consensus... | :08:29. | :08:34. | |
That is certainly a way of kicking it into the long grass? Actually, | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
contact has already been made, so there is progress there, so let's | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
not be so sceptical. The consensus has to include how it is paid as | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
well as the positive sides. Is it realistic to find another �1.7 | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
billion, which is the initial cost that Andrew Dilnot has put on the | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
cost of the scheme? And that is in a climate where we are trying to | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
cut government deficit at every turn. That is one of the massive | :09:04. | :09:11. | |
challenges and it has to be subject to discussion across the parties. | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
And across the public sector and how you would raise that money if | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
you decided to do it. I think I agree with what Matthew says, which | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
is that we have to use this as an opportunity to secure reform. It is | :09:22. | :09:27. | |
long overdue and we have had a crisis in this sector too Blanc. | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
Too many old people do not get the care they need. The scandals have | :09:32. | :09:38. | |
got to stop. Any civilised society would want to make sure old people | :09:38. | :09:43. | |
are looked after in this day and age. This is big politics, and I am | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
interested in this phrase, kicking it into the long grass, because the | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
brief specifically said, we are kicking this into the middle grass. | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
What they are going to try and do is say, this is a serious issue and | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
as for the next generation. The middle grass means it might be two | :10:01. | :10:05. | |
or three years before we can take this into primary legislation. We | :10:05. | :10:10. | |
have to get everybody on board and get an agreement. Meanwhile, we | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
have a crisis of care at the moment. We have older people not getting | :10:14. | :10:22. | |
the level of care they need? younger people as well. The | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
Panorama programme demonstrated that. We have seen rising charges | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
and reduced or tightened criteria for eligibility, so all the people | :10:32. | :10:40. | |
are not getting the help they need at all. As Gyles says, issues come | :10:40. | :10:49. | |
up where it is too big and important for party political stuff. | :10:49. | :10:57. | |
Can you give a realistic timetable? I presume the report has all the | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
numbers and figures and is the basis for a discussion. You want | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
all-party consensus, because this is a generational change and will | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
go beyond the life of any government. Timetable? It is a | :11:12. | :11:16. | |
question of bringing people together and building a consensus. | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
It is not just about the three parties, but also rig consensus | :11:20. | :11:27. | |
within the industry. -- also a consensus. You have got to put the | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
blocks into place. So far, it has taken a decade to get nowhere, and | :11:32. | :11:39. | |
then the courage and asked Andrew Dilnot to do is report. Instead of | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
rushing it am being pushed into a timetable, let's get everybody | :11:43. | :11:53. | |
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onside, because this have -- has not been tackled. I think 2013. | :11:54. | :12:00. | |
is talk of consensus, which, in the abstract, politicians love to do. | :12:00. | :12:05. | |
But you have got the scars, like Tony Blair, on public sector reform. | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
You could not even get consensus with your now coalition partners? | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
tried to establish a process before the election, and having to be | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
blunt, the run-up to the election campaign was too hot. I think now | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
is the chance. Labour has been constructed in its initial reaction. | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
They have suggested they want to talk. That is welcomed. We have got | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
to grab this opportunity and I think, let's use this Parliament to | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
get all of the elements to it. This is just one element of it, this | :12:39. | :12:44. | |
report. We have to win sure the quality is there. And also, health | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
and social care have got to be integrated together so that people | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
have real choice. This idea of personalised care, where you are in | :12:52. | :12:57. | |
charge of your own care, these are concepts that go beyond the Dilnot | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
Report. I assume the consensus does not include Labour's plan for what | :13:03. | :13:09. | |
you stigmatise as a death tax? Is that part of your discussions? | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
is very important that we get consensus not only on how to spend | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
the money and the quality issues, but also on the difficult bits on | :13:16. | :13:21. | |
how to pay for it. What happened before the last election is an | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
example of why we need consensus, because if the Government comes up | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
with plans, including once the opposition cannot stomach, then you | :13:28. | :13:36. | |
will not get that consensus. what is the answer to my question? | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
I think it is highly unlikely but, you know, let's look. So a | :13:42. | :13:50. | |
relatively narrow consensus. What happens next? We have to engage | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
with the organisations in the care sector. We have to get their | :13:53. | :13:58. | |
reaction and we have to measure the Dilnot proposals against a number | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
of tests. How much public money do we want to be spending on securing | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
that cap on the catastrophic costs, about 10% of the population, who | :14:07. | :14:17. | |
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suffer. 10% of our elderly people and up with care costs of over 100 | :14:19. | :14:29. | |
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-- �100,000. I fear that you will be back. We might turn up the | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
flames! Now, get out your flags. We pay for | :14:33. | :14:40. | |
these props! It is the Fourth of July, and you know what we are like | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
on Daily Politics. Any excuse to raid the Music Archive and dabbled | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
in the expenses account of the programme and buy flags. A statue | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
of the late President Ronald Reagan has been unveiled outside the | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
American embassy in Grosvenor Square. We sent our reporter along | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
to see what he made of the latest piece of bronze to graze London's | :15:01. | :15:05. | |
streets. Just what Londoners were calling | :15:05. | :15:09. | |
out for. Another statue of an American President. But today, | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
that's what they got, as a 10 ft Ronald Reagan in bronze was | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
unveiled outside the American Embassy. This statue of Ronald | :15:19. | :15:23. | |
Reagan is quite clearly a memorial and a commemoration of a glorious | :15:23. | :15:30. | |
past. But more importantly, it is a call to an even more glorious | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
future. Thank you very much. It is the end of a series of events to | :15:35. | :15:41. | |
mark 100 years since Reagan's birth. He was like a mountain. If you | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
stand on the mountain, it doesn't look so impressive. But if you | :15:46. | :15:50. | |
travel a wear from the mountain, 20 miles away, you can see how that | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
mountain changed the landscape. That is what is going on now with | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
Reagan. Missing from the audience, Reagan's political soulmate | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
Baroness Thatcher. She had hoped to attend but could not because of | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
ill-health. There were plenty of other Conservative right wingers. | :16:07. | :16:14. | |
Why do they love him so? I was such an admirer of Reagan when I was a | :16:14. | :16:19. | |
very, very young Conservative. I went to America and are witnessed | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
him winning the election against Jimmy Carter and I think he is an | :16:22. | :16:30. | |
inspiration to anybody on the right side of politics. It is not just | :16:30. | :16:38. | |
Marine Corps bans and Stars and Stripes. Everybody can enjoy hot | :16:38. | :16:48. | |
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dogs, candy floss and, what's that And we heard Eric Pickles. Earlier, | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
I spoke to the former Mayor of New York City, Rudy Giuliani, about | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
what he thinks of Ronald Reagan, and why he's now copying some of | :17:01. | :17:10. | |
his ideas. I have tremendous and admiration | :17:10. | :17:15. | |
for Ronald Reagan. 1998 I gave a speech at the Ronald Reagan library | :17:15. | :17:22. | |
where I said, of reviewing the 20th century, the two most consequential | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
presidents were franked when Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan. He had | :17:25. | :17:34. | |
to concede that those two President had the biggest impact on America. | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
In both cases, they led to the liberation of large portions of | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
Europe, their actions did. They had a profound impact on our economy, | :17:44. | :17:50. | |
much more so than the other presidents. So, Ronald Reagan will | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
maintain that role as one of the two most consequential President's | :17:54. | :17:59. | |
whether you like what he did or not. He wasn't a popular figure with the | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
American Left. Has the liberal left come to terms with Ronald Reagan | :18:03. | :18:13. | |
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now? A little bit. The anger and the notion that he was dumb or an | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
actor and did not know what he was doing, bumbling, that has passed | :18:18. | :18:24. | |
away, particularly with the release of his letters. Particularly his | :18:24. | :18:31. | |
love letters to his wife. Because, it demonstrates that Ronald Reagan | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
who was supposed to be not too bright, was a terrific writer. He | :18:35. | :18:39. | |
had wonderful command of the English language, not only speaking | :18:39. | :18:44. | |
it but writing it. If you take some time to readers' letters, you come | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
away with an insight into Ronald Reagan that was given to me by the | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
Attorney General, who was my boss and one of his closest friends, | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
that the key to his career was constantly being under estimated | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
cost dock explain this paradox. understand that Mr Regan, widely | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
revered by today's per Republicans, a wonder if he could win your | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
party's nomination today? He believed in deficits, the Tea Party | :19:14. | :19:21. | |
movement does not. He was prepared to spend when it was required. | :19:21. | :19:29. | |
Could he really when a primary today? A heck of a good question. A | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
very astute question. What it gets at is the real Ronald Reagan and | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
the mythical one of Reagan everyone crates to fit their own set of | :19:39. | :19:44. | |
political views. Remember, Ronald Reagan was the governor of | :19:44. | :19:50. | |
California who signed the law that made abortion legal. He | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
subsequently changed his mind about that. But that alone would have | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
been a major obstacle for him today. It wasn't an obstacle for him in | :20:01. | :20:06. | |
1980, that he signed the abortion of law. He also raised spending in | :20:06. | :20:12. | |
California and raised taxes, although he also lowered taxes. His | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
approach to taxes was not this religious incantation, you must | :20:16. | :20:21. | |
always lower taxes. It was, let's make the best tax deal possible. | :20:21. | :20:31. | |
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For example, he would lower three taxes and raised two, but if the | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
result was lower taxation, he would be pleased. He was a practical | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
thinker. He was guided by an ideology and he was practical | :20:42. | :20:48. | |
enough to make compromises when he couldn't get anything he wanted. | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
think you have been to New Hampshire seven times this year. | :20:51. | :20:56. | |
You are going again next month. I assume you're not just going for | :20:56. | :21:05. | |
the scenery? I am going there to get a sense of whether I have a | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
good chance of winning that primary, and the nomination, because there | :21:10. | :21:19. | |
is no point entering this unless you have a good chance winning. I | :21:19. | :21:25. | |
have had the excitement when I ran for an entire year. I would do it | :21:25. | :21:31. | |
over again. I would probably make a few changes. But now this will be a | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
second time and I want to make sure I have a really good chance of | :21:34. | :21:43. | |
winning. I understand you will tell us whether you are going to run, | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
around laboured day? If you do decide to run, it sounds to me from | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
what you have been saying you would like to run with the Ronald Reagan | :21:52. | :22:01. | |
mantra, your republicanism seems to be similar but for the 20th | :22:01. | :22:07. | |
century? In my case, it is deliberate, I copied Ronald Reagan. | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
I worked for him, I became mayor of New York City and then literally | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
copied what Ronald Reagan did, as best I could as mayor of New York. | :22:18. | :22:22. | |
A you can see a longer version of my interview with Rudy on our | :22:22. | :22:26. | |
website. But now we're joined by a Ruby! The American comedian and | :22:26. | :22:36. | |
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actress, Ruby Wax, is with us. has better teeth than I do! It is | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
interesting the difference history makes. I was a Washington | :22:43. | :22:47. | |
correspondent when Ronald Reagan was President, he was excoriated by | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
the American Left. He is still disliked by a lot, but he | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
transcends political boundaries now. It is unbelievable. Compared to | :22:57. | :23:07. | |
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Sarah Palin and what we have got now, it is like Jesus compared to a | :23:08. | :23:18. | |
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dachshund. You saw the transition. I didn't realise how clever he was. | :23:18. | :23:25. | |
I didn't know. The US networks who had never been his best friends, | :23:25. | :23:33. | |
they treated his death like a royal funeral. The potency of presidency | :23:33. | :23:38. | |
is very great. Somehow you assume something very special. That | :23:38. | :23:45. | |
reminded me how like Mrs Thatcher he was being a pragmatist. People | :23:45. | :23:49. | |
think Mrs Thatcher was the iron lady from the beginning but her | :23:49. | :23:56. | |
early years were full of compromise. But she wasn't in cowboy films, | :23:56. | :24:06. | |
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that was her downfall! Let's get And the answer is: C. The Right to | :24:14. | :24:23. | |
Vote. Freedom of speech, which occurs to many people when they | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
talk about rights and freedoms in America. We have gone through soul- | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
searching in this country about what should be allowed. You have | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
been the victim of tabloid coverage. Should there be a line? Should | :24:36. | :24:43. | |
anything be OK in a country that enshrines freedom of speech? Free- | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
speech his own name out of the be holder. When you are defending the | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
tired and the poor and the huddled masses, but when you are making | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
money out of going into somebody's of rubbish bin and finding their | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
dirty laundry, a can we separate, one is a free speech, one is making | :25:01. | :25:07. | |
a living. Out of somebody's reputation. So where do you draw | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
the line? If it is just a pecuniary advantage. What about on the | :25:14. | :25:23. | |
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internet, bloggers are not making money. Our society thrives on | :25:24. | :25:30. | |
gossip. I do not know, but this question about what the public | :25:30. | :25:35. | |
needs to know is dubious. Because really, we used to just have the | :25:35. | :25:45. | |
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picket fence and church for gossip. There are the secret conversations, | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
Cabinet briefings, leaks from civil servants. When I published my | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
political diaries, I formed the review what people did in their | :25:55. | :26:03. | |
private lives was not the business of the public. But the previously | :26:03. | :26:09. | |
secret workings of the Chief whips office, that was after the event | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
something for the public domain because it was government service, | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
paid for by the tax payer, part of the machinery of government. Most | :26:17. | :26:23. | |
of these things you can choose. One can make a decision. Where we get | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
into difficult territory, where the leak makes the management of | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
government very difficult indeed. Having a normal conversation with | :26:31. | :26:37. | |
somebody as an active politician becomes difficult. Just by being a | :26:37. | :26:44. | |
politician, it is our business. I think a footballer, just play | :26:45. | :26:54. | |
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football. Let Clinton get on with his business. But can I say, I | :26:55. | :27:00. | |
thank the tabloids for exposing me. In a way, it is a twist on anything, | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
a long time ago I saw my face on the front of the Daily Mail saying | :27:04. | :27:12. | |
I had a mental illness. I was in Barbados, and felt embarrassed. | :27:12. | :27:19. | |
Years later I have written a play about mental illness, because | :27:19. | :27:24. | |
otherwise we hide. They have done a lot of good in my case. Going back | :27:24. | :27:28. | |
to those days, if you had known about the super injunction, would | :27:28. | :27:36. | |
you have gone down that path? Probably. It was too shameful. | :27:36. | :27:43. | |
You'll do anything. But, now I think, why should we have been | :27:43. | :27:49. | |
ashamed of something that that? attitude is so different now, JFK | :27:49. | :27:54. | |
and his indiscretions, the press kept largely quite. What has | :27:54. | :28:03. | |
changed in your country? We didn't have access like that. It is all | :28:03. | :28:11. | |
about money. All took wrong kite's advice is still very good, he said, | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
if you are going to be a politician, never do anything that you would | :28:15. | :28:25. | |
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not be prepared to read about on the front of the New York Times. -- | :28:27. | :28:37. | |
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