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Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
Afternoon, folks. Welcome to the Daily Politics. More bad news from | :00:39. | :00:40. | |
Daily Politics. More bad news from Daily Politics. More bad news from | :00:40. | :00:41. | |
RBS. It's announced another set of RBS. It's announced another set of | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
RBS. It's announced another set of losses and they are big. �5.2 | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
losses and they are big. �5.2 losses and they are big. �5.2 | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
billion for last year after paying billion for last year after paying | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
billion for last year after paying compensation or fines for miss- | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
compensation or fines for miss- selling payment protection | :00:47. | :00:48. | |
selling payment protection insurance and manipulating the | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
insurance and manipulating the insurance and manipulating the | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
inter-bank lending rate. It's not inter-bank lending rate. It's not | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
inter-bank lending rate. It's not all doom and gloom though. | :00:55. | :00:56. | |
all doom and gloom though. all doom and gloom though. | :00:56. | :00:57. | |
Underlying profits were about �3.5 Underlying profits were about �3.5 | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
Underlying profits were about �3.5 billion. More than twice the | :00:58. | :01:01. | |
billion. More than twice the billion. More than twice the | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
previous year. Are we nearly there previous year. Are we nearly there | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
previous year. Are we nearly there yet? We'll be looking at moves | :01:04. | :01:05. | |
yet? We'll be looking at moves yet? We'll be looking at moves | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
afoot to change our motorway afoot to change our motorway | :01:07. | :01:08. | |
afoot to change our motorway service stations. Dishing the dirt | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
service stations. Dishing the dirt service stations. Dishing the dirt | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
on the Commonwealth. We'll be on the Commonwealth. We'll be | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
on the Commonwealth. We'll be speaking to its former Secretary | :01:13. | :01:16. | |
speaking to its former Secretary speaking to its former Secretary | :01:16. | :01:16. | |
General, Don McKinnon. And comedian, General, Don McKinnon. And comedian, | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
General, Don McKinnon. And comedian, Phil Jupitus will be here, | :01:17. | :01:18. | |
Phil Jupitus will be here, explaining why coalition government | :01:18. | :01:19. | |
explaining why coalition government explaining why coalition government | :01:19. | :01:29. | |
All that in the next hour. And I've All that in the next hour. And I've | :01:29. | :01:29. | |
All that in the next hour. And I've ditched Andrew, and bagged myself | :01:30. | :01:30. | |
ditched Andrew, and bagged myself ditched Andrew, and bagged myself | :01:31. | :01:36. | |
the King of daytime telly, Richard the King of daytime telly, Richard | :01:36. | :01:37. | |
the King of daytime telly, Richard Madeley. Welcome. Now before we | :01:37. | :01:38. | |
Madeley. Welcome. Now before we Madeley. Welcome. Now before we | :01:38. | :01:38. | |
Madeley. Welcome. Now before we move on just a reminder that voting | :01:38. | :01:39. | |
move on just a reminder that voting move on just a reminder that voting | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
has begun in the Eastleigh by- has begun in the Eastleigh by- | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
has begun in the Eastleigh by- election, caused by the resignation | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
election, caused by the resignation election, caused by the resignation | :01:42. | :01:43. | |
of the former Liberal Democrat of the former Liberal Democrat | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
of the former Liberal Democrat Cabinet Minister, Chris Huhne. 14 | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
Cabinet Minister, Chris Huhne. 14 candidates are standing for | :01:47. | :01:48. | |
candidates are standing for election in the Hampshire | :01:48. | :01:50. | |
election in the Hampshire election in the Hampshire | :01:50. | :01:50. | |
constituency. The polls close at constituency. The polls close at | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
constituency. The polls close at 10pm tonight, with the result | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
10pm tonight, with the result 10pm tonight, with the result | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
expected in the early hours of expected in the early hours of | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
expected in the early hours of Friday morning. We can't talk about | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
Friday morning. We can't talk about Friday morning. We can't talk about | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
it for fear of influencing your it for fear of influencing your | :01:57. | :01:59. | |
it for fear of influencing your it for fear of influencing your | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
vote. As if we could. So let's kick vote. As if we could. So let's kick | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
vote. As if we could. So let's kick vote. As if we could. So let's kick | :02:02. | :02:03. | |
off today with the council tax. A off today with the council tax. A | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
off today with the council tax. A survey suggests more than 40% of | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
survey suggests more than 40% of survey suggests more than 40% of | :02:05. | :02:05. | |
local authorities in England are local authorities in England are | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
local authorities in England are planning to increase council tax in | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
planning to increase council tax in planning to increase council tax in | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
planning to increase council tax in April. Well, this is what the Local | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
April. Well, this is what the Local Government Minister, Brandon Lewis | :02:12. | :02:13. | |
Government Minister, Brandon Lewis Government Minister, Brandon Lewis | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
had to say a little earlier. had to say a little earlier. | :02:17. | :02:17. | |
had to say a little earlier. Obviously we would like to see | :02:17. | :02:20. | |
Obviously we would like to see Obviously we would like to see | :02:20. | :02:22. | |
every council freeze council tax or every council freeze council tax or | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
every council freeze council tax or every council freeze council tax or | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
reduce it. I want to focus on those reduce it. I want to focus on those | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
reduce it. I want to focus on those councils so doing the right thing | :02:26. | :02:27. | |
councils so doing the right thing for hard-working taxpayers and | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
for hard-working taxpayers and for hard-working taxpayers and | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
freezing and reducing the council freezing and reducing the council | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
freezing and reducing the council tax. Do you have sympathy with | :02:32. | :02:33. | |
tax. Do you have sympathy with tax. Do you have sympathy with | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
councils that are saying they have councils that are saying they have | :02:34. | :02:36. | |
councils that are saying they have councils that are saying they have | :02:36. | :02:37. | |
to put up council tax? Yes, it's a to put up council tax? Yes, it's a | :02:37. | :02:38. | |
to put up council tax? Yes, it's a to put up council tax? Yes, it's a | :02:38. | :02:39. | |
tricky position and it's a bit much tricky position and it's a bit much | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
tricky position and it's a bit much for Eric Pickles earlier today to | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
for Eric Pickles earlier today to for Eric Pickles earlier today to | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
berate them for putting them up berate them for putting them up | :02:45. | :02:46. | |
berate them for putting them up berate them for putting them up | :02:46. | :02:48. | |
with in the 2% allowance. He has with in the 2% allowance. He has | :02:48. | :02:52. | |
with in the 2% allowance. He has given them that 2% allowance. But | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
given them that 2% allowance. But given them that 2% allowance. But | :02:53. | :02:55. | |
given them that 2% allowance. But if he gives them 2%, what does he | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
if he gives them 2%, what does he if he gives them 2%, what does he | :02:56. | :02:56. | |
if he gives them 2%, what does he expect them to do? Of course you'll | :02:56. | :02:58. | |
expect them to do? Of course you'll expect them to do? Of course you'll | :02:58. | :03:00. | |
expect them to do? Of course you'll put it up to 1.9%. He should have | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
put it up to 1.9%. He should have put it up to 1.9%. He should have | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
made a complete veto, not given made a complete veto, not given | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
made a complete veto, not given made a complete veto, not given | :03:05. | :03:06. | |
them 2%. You're not surprised a lot them 2%. You're not surprised a lot | :03:06. | :03:08. | |
them 2%. You're not surprised a lot of them are going for higher | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
of them are going for higher of them are going for higher | :03:09. | :03:09. | |
council tax bills particularly when council tax bills particularly when | :03:09. | :03:10. | |
council tax bills particularly when the government is offering more | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
the government is offering more the government is offering more | :03:11. | :03:12. | |
the government is offering more cash, not as much as they could put | :03:12. | :03:14. | |
cash, not as much as they could put cash, not as much as they could put | :03:14. | :03:15. | |
cash, not as much as they could put up their bills, but if they freeze | :03:15. | :03:17. | |
up their bills, but if they freeze up their bills, but if they freeze | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
the council tax? Not remotely the council tax? Not remotely | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
the council tax? Not remotely surprised. The economy is to the | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
surprised. The economy is to the surprised. The economy is to the | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
surprised. The economy is to the old at the moment. They are worried | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
old at the moment. They are worried old at the moment. They are worried | :03:25. | :03:26. | |
about keeping up services and it's about keeping up services and it's | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
about keeping up services and it's about keeping up services and it's | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
a balancing act. If they go over 2% a balancing act. If they go over 2% | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
a balancing act. If they go over 2% a balancing act. If they go over 2% | :03:30. | :03:33. | |
and go to a referendum, the public and go to a referendum, the public | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
and go to a referendum, the public and go to a referendum, the public | :03:36. | :03:37. | |
will decide. If they get 1.9%, the will decide. If they get 1.9%, the | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
will decide. If they get 1.9%, the public will make their decision. | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
public will make their decision. public will make their decision. | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
The government will argue everybody The government will argue everybody | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
The government will argue everybody is struggling. People do not want | :03:43. | :03:44. | |
is struggling. People do not want is struggling. People do not want | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
is struggling. People do not want to pay higher council tax bills and | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
to pay higher council tax bills and to pay higher council tax bills and | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
many people don't use the services. many people don't use the services. | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
many people don't use the services. many people don't use the services. | :03:50. | :03:51. | |
Well then, don't say you can go up Well then, don't say you can go up | :03:51. | :03:52. | |
Well then, don't say you can go up Well then, don't say you can go up | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
by 2%. You can't have it both ways. by 2%. You can't have it both ways. | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
by 2%. You can't have it both ways. To me, it doesn't make any | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
To me, it doesn't make any To me, it doesn't make any | :03:59. | :03:59. | |
political sense at all. Would you political sense at all. Would you | :04:00. | :04:00. | |
political sense at all. Would you political sense at all. Would you | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
like for them to have a cap? Yes, like for them to have a cap? Yes, | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
like for them to have a cap? Yes, like for them to have a cap? Yes, | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
it's the only way to keep it down. it's the only way to keep it down. | :04:05. | :04:06. | |
it's the only way to keep it down. it's the only way to keep it down. | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
If you give them the option to put If you give them the option to put | :04:07. | :04:08. | |
If you give them the option to put If you give them the option to put | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
up or have a referendum, a lot of up or have a referendum, a lot of | :04:09. | :04:11. | |
up or have a referendum, a lot of up or have a referendum, a lot of | :04:11. | :04:12. | |
councils will do that for some tell councils will do that for some tell | :04:12. | :04:12. | |
councils will do that for some tell them it's frozen and make them | :04:13. | :04:14. | |
them it's frozen and make them them it's frozen and make them | :04:14. | :04:15. | |
them it's frozen and make them sorted out. Now it's time for our | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
sorted out. Now it's time for our sorted out. Now it's time for our | :04:18. | :04:19. | |
daily quiz. And the question for daily quiz. And the question for | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
daily quiz. And the question for today, in honour of the former | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
today, in honour of the former Secretary General of the | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
Secretary General of the Secretary General of the | :04:22. | :04:22. | |
Commonwealth, who will be appearing Commonwealth, who will be appearing | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
Commonwealth, who will be appearing Commonwealth, who will be appearing | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
later, is: Which of these flags is later, is: Which of these flags is | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
later, is: Which of these flags is later, is: Which of these flags is | :04:28. | :04:28. | |
the odd one out? I'm not sure I the odd one out? I'm not sure I | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
the odd one out? I'm not sure I recognise any of them. Do you | :04:30. | :04:31. | |
recognise any of them. Do you recognise any of them. Do you | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
recognise any of the flags, recognise any of the flags, | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
recognise any of the flags, Richard? Absolutely not.Good, that | :04:36. | :04:36. | |
Richard? Absolutely not.Good, that Richard? Absolutely not.Good, that | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
Richard? Absolutely not.Good, that makes two of us then. Towards the | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
makes two of us then. Towards the makes two of us then. Towards the | :04:39. | :04:40. | |
makes two of us then. Towards the end of the show Richard or Don | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
end of the show Richard or Don end of the show Richard or Don | :04:41. | :04:42. | |
McKinnon will give us the correct McKinnon will give us the correct | :04:42. | :04:43. | |
McKinnon will give us the correct answer. More likely to be Don | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
answer. More likely to be Don answer. More likely to be Don | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
McKinnon, at this rate. Now let's McKinnon, at this rate. Now let's | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
McKinnon, at this rate. Now let's turn our attention to banks because | :04:48. | :04:49. | |
turn our attention to banks because turn our attention to banks because | :04:49. | :04:50. | |
the Royal Bank of Scotland, which the Royal Bank of Scotland, which | :04:50. | :04:51. | |
the Royal Bank of Scotland, which the Royal Bank of Scotland, which | :04:51. | :04:52. | |
is 81% owned by the government, has is 81% owned by the government, has | :04:52. | :04:52. | |
is 81% owned by the government, has released its annual figures this | :04:52. | :04:53. | |
released its annual figures this released its annual figures this | :04:53. | :04:54. | |
morning. RBS has reported that it morning. RBS has reported that it | :04:54. | :04:55. | |
morning. RBS has reported that it made a pre-tax loss of �5.17 | :04:55. | :04:56. | |
made a pre-tax loss of �5.17 made a pre-tax loss of �5.17 | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
billion. It was fined �381 million billion. It was fined �381 million | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
billion. It was fined �381 million for attempting to fix the inter- | :04:58. | :05:03. | |
for attempting to fix the inter- for attempting to fix the inter- | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
bank lending rate, Libor. The bank bank lending rate, Libor. The bank | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
bank lending rate, Libor. The bank bank lending rate, Libor. The bank | :05:05. | :05:05. | |
has taken a charge of �700 million has taken a charge of �700 million | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
has taken a charge of �700 million has taken a charge of �700 million | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
for money it expects to have to pay for money it expects to have to pay | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
for money it expects to have to pay out to cover mis-selling interest | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
out to cover mis-selling interest out to cover mis-selling interest | :05:09. | :05:10. | |
out to cover mis-selling interest rate swaps. It also took a �450 | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
rate swaps. It also took a �450 rate swaps. It also took a �450 | :05:11. | :05:12. | |
million charge in the last three million charge in the last three | :05:12. | :05:13. | |
million charge in the last three million charge in the last three | :05:13. | :05:14. | |
months of the year to cover mis- months of the year to cover mis- | :05:14. | :05:15. | |
selling of Payment Protection selling of Payment Protection | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
Insurance, taking its total Insurance, taking its total | :05:16. | :05:21. | |
Insurance, taking its total provision to �2.2 billion. RBS set | :05:21. | :05:22. | |
provision to �2.2 billion. RBS set provision to �2.2 billion. RBS set | :05:22. | :05:23. | |
aside �607 million to pay bonuses aside �607 million to pay bonuses | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
aside �607 million to pay bonuses aside �607 million to pay bonuses | :05:26. | :05:26. | |
to its staff. However, it is not to its staff. However, it is not | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
to its staff. However, it is not all bad news. Underlying these | :05:29. | :05:30. | |
all bad news. Underlying these all bad news. Underlying these | :05:30. | :05:30. | |
special charges, RBS reported an special charges, RBS reported an | :05:30. | :05:37. | |
special charges, RBS reported an operating profit of �3.5 billion. | :05:37. | :05:38. | |
operating profit of �3.5 billion. operating profit of �3.5 billion. | :05:38. | :05:39. | |
Here's what the bank's chief Here's what the bank's chief | :05:39. | :05:40. | |
Here's what the bank's chief executive Stephen Hester had to say | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
executive Stephen Hester had to say executive Stephen Hester had to say | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
this morning. I was clear when this morning. I was clear when | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
this morning. I was clear when arriving at RBS four years ago, | :05:47. | :05:49. | |
arriving at RBS four years ago, arriving at RBS four years ago, | :05:49. | :05:49. | |
arriving at RBS four years ago, that there was the need to change | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
that there was the need to change that there was the need to change | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
that there was the need to change the way that our people were paid, | :05:53. | :05:54. | |
the way that our people were paid, the way that our people were paid, | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
the way that our people were paid, and to align it more closely with | :05:55. | :05:56. | |
and to align it more closely with and to align it more closely with | :05:56. | :05:57. | |
and to align it more closely with what we wanted them to do. Part of | :05:57. | :05:59. | |
what we wanted them to do. Part of what we wanted them to do. Part of | :05:59. | :06:00. | |
what we wanted them to do. Part of which is profits, but part of it is | :06:00. | :06:01. | |
which is profits, but part of it is which is profits, but part of it is | :06:01. | :06:02. | |
serving customers, making sure risk serving customers, making sure risk | :06:02. | :06:04. | |
serving customers, making sure risk serving customers, making sure risk | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
serving customers, making sure risk is right and so on. So we have both | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
is right and so on. So we have both produced pay, to reflect | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
produced pay, to reflect performance, and fundamentally | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
performance, and fundamentally performance, and fundamentally | :06:11. | :06:11. | |
performance, and fundamentally changed the way in which it is | :06:11. | :06:13. | |
changed the way in which it is aligned. Stephen Hester there. | :06:13. | :06:14. | |
aligned. Stephen Hester there. aligned. Stephen Hester there. | :06:14. | :06:15. | |
Meanwhile, David Cameron has said Meanwhile, David Cameron has said | :06:15. | :06:16. | |
Meanwhile, David Cameron has said he will look carefully at proposed | :06:16. | :06:17. | |
he will look carefully at proposed he will look carefully at proposed | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
new EU banking regulations, agreed new EU banking regulations, agreed | :06:18. | :06:22. | |
new EU banking regulations, agreed in Brussels overnight. The measures, | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
in Brussels overnight. The measures, in Brussels overnight. The measures, | :06:23. | :06:23. | |
in Brussels overnight. The measures, which still have to be approved by | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
which still have to be approved by EU ministers, include capping | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
EU ministers, include capping EU ministers, include capping | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
bankers' bonuses at a maximum of bankers' bonuses at a maximum of | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
bankers' bonuses at a maximum of one year's basic salary. Britain | :06:28. | :06:28. | |
one year's basic salary. Britain one year's basic salary. Britain | :06:29. | :06:29. | |
has strongly opposed that idea, has strongly opposed that idea, | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
has strongly opposed that idea, arguing it will drive away talent | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
arguing it will drive away talent arguing it will drive away talent | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
and hamper growth. Here's what the and hamper growth. Here's what the | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
and hamper growth. Here's what the Prime Minister had to say earlier. | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
Prime Minister had to say earlier. Prime Minister had to say earlier. | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
Prime Minister had to say earlier. We do have, in the UK, not every | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
We do have, in the UK, not every We do have, in the UK, not every | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
other European country has this, we other European country has this, we | :06:43. | :06:44. | |
have major international banks have major international banks | :06:44. | :06:45. | |
have major international banks have major international banks | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
based in the UK but have branches based in the UK but have branches | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
based in the UK but have branches and activities all over the world. | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
and activities all over the world. and activities all over the world. | :06:49. | :06:50. | |
We need to make sure that We need to make sure that | :06:50. | :06:51. | |
We need to make sure that regulation put in place in Brussels | :06:51. | :06:54. | |
regulation put in place in Brussels regulation put in place in Brussels | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
is flexible enough to allow those is flexible enough to allow those | :06:56. | :06:57. | |
is flexible enough to allow those banks to continue competing and | :06:58. | :06:58. | |
banks to continue competing and banks to continue competing and | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
succeeding while being located in succeeding while being located in | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
succeeding while being located in succeeding while being located in | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
the UK. I'm now joined by the the UK. I'm now joined by the | :07:02. | :07:06. | |
the UK. I'm now joined by the banking analyst Ralph Silva. His | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
banking analyst Ralph Silva. His banking analyst Ralph Silva. His | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
banking analyst Ralph Silva. His RBS been turned around? Do we have | :07:12. | :07:22. | |
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RBS been turned around? Do we have RBS been turned around? Do we have | :07:25. | :07:26. | |
RBS been turned around? Do we have him? Hello?Right, we will try one | :07:26. | :07:26. | |
him? Hello?Right, we will try one him? Hello?Right, we will try one | :07:27. | :07:27. | |
him? Hello?Right, we will try one more time and then I will turn to | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
more time and then I will turn to more time and then I will turn to | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
more time and then I will turn to my other guests. Can you hear me? | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
my other guests. Can you hear me? my other guests. Can you hear me? | :07:34. | :07:34. | |
my other guests. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Has RBS been turned | :07:34. | :07:37. | |
Yes, I can. Has RBS been turned Yes, I can. Has RBS been turned | :07:37. | :07:37. | |
Yes, I can. Has RBS been turned around? Yes, we have to look at | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
around? Yes, we have to look at around? Yes, we have to look at | :07:39. | :07:40. | |
around? Yes, we have to look at them in two lights. Prix 2008, the | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
them in two lights. Prix 2008, the them in two lights. Prix 2008, the | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
old regime, and those problems are old regime, and those problems are | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
old regime, and those problems are still there and the current | :07:45. | :07:46. | |
still there and the current still there and the current | :07:46. | :07:47. | |
management is still in place but management is still in place but | :07:47. | :07:48. | |
management is still in place but management is still in place but | :07:48. | :07:49. | |
they are running the bank in a very they are running the bank in a very | :07:49. | :07:50. | |
they are running the bank in a very efficient way. They are good people | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
efficient way. They are good people efficient way. They are good people | :07:52. | :07:52. | |
efficient way. They are good people doing a good job and customers, by | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
doing a good job and customers, by doing a good job and customers, by | :07:55. | :07:56. | |
and large, are happy. Today's RBS and large, are happy. Today's RBS | :07:56. | :07:57. | |
and large, are happy. Today's RBS and large, are happy. Today's RBS | :07:57. | :07:59. | |
is the RBS we want for the future. is the RBS we want for the future. | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
is the RBS we want for the future. is the RBS we want for the future. | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
Why is there a loss of �5 billion? Why is there a loss of �5 billion? | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
Why is there a loss of �5 billion? Because they are dealing with the | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
Because they are dealing with the Because they are dealing with the | :08:05. | :08:06. | |
past. All these issues which past. All these issues which | :08:06. | :08:07. | |
past. All these issues which happened prior to the disaster, | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
happened prior to the disaster, happened prior to the disaster, | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
2008, and dealing with the disaster 2008, and dealing with the disaster | :08:11. | :08:13. | |
2008, and dealing with the disaster that was created by the previous | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
that was created by the previous that was created by the previous | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
that was created by the previous manager of RBS. I used to hate them | :08:17. | :08:17. | |
manager of RBS. I used to hate them manager of RBS. I used to hate them | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
manager of RBS. I used to hate them manager of RBS. I used to hate them | :08:20. | :08:21. | |
and be so angry at them. A now you and be so angry at them. A now you | :08:21. | :08:21. | |
and be so angry at them. A now you feel sorry for them because you | :08:22. | :08:22. | |
feel sorry for them because you feel sorry for them because you | :08:22. | :08:23. | |
feel sorry for them because you don't think there will ever be a | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
don't think there will ever be a don't think there will ever be a | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
don't think there will ever be a stage, even if it's being run more | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
stage, even if it's being run more stage, even if it's being run more | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
effectively, where they will be in effectively, where they will be in | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
effectively, where they will be in effectively, where they will be in | :08:30. | :08:31. | |
profit? I'm hopeful they will be in profit? I'm hopeful they will be in | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
profit? I'm hopeful they will be in profit. They are a good | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
profit. They are a good profit. They are a good | :08:33. | :08:34. | |
organisation. They need to get organisation. They need to get | :08:34. | :08:35. | |
organisation. They need to get their debt under control. It has | :08:36. | :08:36. | |
their debt under control. It has their debt under control. It has | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
their debt under control. It has their debt under control. It has | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
taken on too long to do that and I taken on too long to do that and I | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
taken on too long to do that and I think there's a lot of politics | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
think there's a lot of politics think there's a lot of politics | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
think there's a lot of politics involved in that. They need to be | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
involved in that. They need to be involved in that. They need to be | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
involved in that. They need to be able to operate how they want so it | :08:44. | :08:44. | |
able to operate how they want so it able to operate how they want so it | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
able to operate how they want so it can bring in some money so they can | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
can bring in some money so they can can bring in some money so they can | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
can bring in some money so they can give me my tax money back. Right, | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
give me my tax money back. Right, give me my tax money back. Right, | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
give me my tax money back. Right, so you're saying we to sell-off the | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
so you're saying we to sell-off the government stake? Absolutely, we | :08:53. | :08:54. | |
government stake? Absolutely, we government stake? Absolutely, we | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
need to let them operate and need to let them operate and | :08:56. | :08:57. | |
need to let them operate and compete against Barclays Bank and | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
compete against Barclays Bank and compete against Barclays Bank and | :08:59. | :09:00. | |
HSBC in a free environment. Not HSBC in a free environment. Not | :09:00. | :09:01. | |
HSBC in a free environment. Not under the confines of the | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
under the confines of the government. The problem is, | :09:04. | :09:05. | |
government. The problem is, government. The problem is, | :09:05. | :09:05. | |
taxpayers won't want to lose money taxpayers won't want to lose money | :09:05. | :09:06. | |
taxpayers won't want to lose money taxpayers won't want to lose money | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
which they will do at the moment if which they will do at the moment if | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
which they will do at the moment if which they will do at the moment if | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
they try to sell it off too soon. they try to sell it off too soon. | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
they try to sell it off too soon. they try to sell it off too soon. | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
We certainly will not make a lot of We certainly will not make a lot of | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
We certainly will not make a lot of money, that's true, but I'm not | :09:13. | :09:14. | |
money, that's true, but I'm not money, that's true, but I'm not | :09:14. | :09:15. | |
money, that's true, but I'm not happy having a bank the size of RBS | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
happy having a bank the size of RBS in government hands. The | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
in government hands. The in government hands. The | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
implications of being able to buy implications of being able to buy | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
implications of being able to buy votes by moving money to certain | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
votes by moving money to certain votes by moving money to certain | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
areas is something we definitely areas is something we definitely | :09:23. | :09:24. | |
areas is something we definitely areas is something we definitely | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
don't want to go into. This too don't want to go into. This too | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
don't want to go into. This too much danger having the government | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
much danger having the government much danger having the government | :09:27. | :09:28. | |
much danger having the government running this bank and I'm sorry we | :09:28. | :09:29. | |
running this bank and I'm sorry we running this bank and I'm sorry we | :09:29. | :09:29. | |
running this bank and I'm sorry we won't make the money back but right | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
won't make the money back but right won't make the money back but right | :09:30. | :09:31. | |
won't make the money back but right won't make the money back but right | :09:31. | :09:32. | |
now we have to get rid of it as now we have to get rid of it as | :09:32. | :09:33. | |
now we have to get rid of it as now we have to get rid of it as | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
fast as possible. With us now is fast as possible. With us now is | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
fast as possible. With us now is the Conservative MP and former | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
the Conservative MP and former the Conservative MP and former | :09:36. | :09:36. | |
cabinet minister John Redwood. And cabinet minister John Redwood. And | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
cabinet minister John Redwood. And cabinet minister John Redwood. And | :09:37. | :09:38. | |
Labour MP Andy Love. He's a member Labour MP Andy Love. He's a member | :09:38. | :09:39. | |
Labour MP Andy Love. He's a member of the Parliamentary Commission on | :09:39. | :09:41. | |
of the Parliamentary Commission on of the Parliamentary Commission on | :09:41. | :09:42. | |
Banking Standards. Welcome to both Banking Standards. Welcome to both | :09:42. | :09:43. | |
Banking Standards. Welcome to both Banking Standards. Welcome to both | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
of you. Do you agree with the of you. Do you agree with the | :09:45. | :09:45. | |
of you. Do you agree with the assessment of the Bank is being | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
assessment of the Bank is being assessment of the Bank is being | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
turned around? I think these turned around? I think these | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
turned around? I think these results are disappointing and it's | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
results are disappointing and it's results are disappointing and it's | :09:51. | :09:51. | |
results are disappointing and it's taking too long. I think they ought | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
taking too long. I think they ought taking too long. I think they ought | :09:52. | :09:54. | |
to be breaking it up more to be breaking it up more | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
to be breaking it up more energetically and we have learned | :09:55. | :09:56. | |
energetically and we have learned energetically and we have learned | :09:56. | :09:57. | |
today they might get round to today they might get round to | :09:57. | :09:59. | |
today they might get round to selling part of their American bank | :09:59. | :09:59. | |
selling part of their American bank selling part of their American bank | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
selling part of their American bank and I can't see a reason why their | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
and I can't see a reason why their and I can't see a reason why their | :10:02. | :10:03. | |
own an American bank and the own an American bank and the | :10:03. | :10:03. | |
own an American bank and the British taxpayers have to stand | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
British taxpayers have to stand British taxpayers have to stand | :10:08. | :10:09. | |
behind it. It's a decent enterprise, behind it. It's a decent enterprise, | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
behind it. It's a decent enterprise, then get rid of it. Otherwise, | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
then get rid of it. Otherwise, then get rid of it. Otherwise, | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
then get rid of it. Otherwise, close it down. I think we also need | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
close it down. I think we also need close it down. I think we also need | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
more competition in the British more competition in the British | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
more competition in the British banking industry. I don't think | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
banking industry. I don't think your analyst understand the | :10:18. | :10:20. | |
your analyst understand the disconnection between the British | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
disconnection between the British disconnection between the British | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
public and the banking system public and the banking system | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
public and the banking system generally. The you don't think | :10:23. | :10:24. | |
generally. The you don't think generally. The you don't think | :10:25. | :10:25. | |
generally. The you don't think people are happy with RBS might he | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
people are happy with RBS might he people are happy with RBS might he | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
said? No, not taxpayers, not said? No, not taxpayers, not | :10:30. | :10:31. | |
said? No, not taxpayers, not customers, and managers are trying | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
customers, and managers are trying customers, and managers are trying | :10:32. | :10:33. | |
customers, and managers are trying to improve it. They inherited a bad | :10:34. | :10:34. | |
to improve it. They inherited a bad to improve it. They inherited a bad | :10:34. | :10:35. | |
situation and are trying to make situation and are trying to make | :10:35. | :10:36. | |
situation and are trying to make situation and are trying to make | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
sense of it but it's taking a very sense of it but it's taking a very | :10:37. | :10:39. | |
sense of it but it's taking a very sense of it but it's taking a very | :10:39. | :10:41. | |
long time. I don't think RBS is a long time. I don't think RBS is a | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
long time. I don't think RBS is a natural successful big bank company. | :10:44. | :10:44. | |
natural successful big bank company. natural successful big bank company. | :10:45. | :10:45. | |
It was spatchcocked together too It was spatchcocked together too | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
It was spatchcocked together too quickly out of assets to diverse. | :10:47. | :10:48. | |
quickly out of assets to diverse. quickly out of assets to diverse. | :10:48. | :10:49. | |
quickly out of assets to diverse. Do you think we get a better deal | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
Do you think we get a better deal Do you think we get a better deal | :10:50. | :10:52. | |
Do you think we get a better deal Do you think we get a better deal | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
if we hang on a bit longer? If they if we hang on a bit longer? If they | :10:53. | :10:54. | |
if we hang on a bit longer? If they if we hang on a bit longer? If they | :10:54. | :10:55. | |
hung on for a couple more years, hung on for a couple more years, | :10:55. | :10:56. | |
hung on for a couple more years, hung on for a couple more years, | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
due to the taxpayer would get their due to the taxpayer would get their | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
due to the taxpayer would get their due to the taxpayer would get their | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
money back? I doubt it. I was money back? I doubt it. I was | :11:00. | :11:00. | |
money back? I doubt it. I was against the nationalisation in the | :11:01. | :11:02. | |
against the nationalisation in the against the nationalisation in the | :11:02. | :11:02. | |
against the nationalisation in the first place and they want it split | :11:02. | :11:03. | |
first place and they want it split first place and they want it split | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
first place and they want it split up at the point the crisis hit, | :11:05. | :11:06. | |
up at the point the crisis hit, up at the point the crisis hit, | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
because things could have been because things could have been | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
because things could have been saved early on and things should | :11:08. | :11:09. | |
saved early on and things should saved early on and things should | :11:09. | :11:10. | |
saved early on and things should have been closed down early on but | :11:10. | :11:11. | |
have been closed down early on but have been closed down early on but | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
have been closed down early on but the government had to step in to | :11:12. | :11:13. | |
the government had to step in to the government had to step in to | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
support the important network the support the important network the | :11:15. | :11:16. | |
support the important network the banks sustained but didn't support | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
banks sustained but didn't support banks sustained but didn't support | :11:18. | :11:19. | |
everything else. We need controlled everything else. We need controlled | :11:19. | :11:21. | |
everything else. We need controlled administration for RBS. What do you | :11:21. | :11:22. | |
administration for RBS. What do you administration for RBS. What do you | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
think about selling it off? Early? think about selling it off? Early? | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
think about selling it off? Early? think about selling it off? Early? | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
Would you like to see the bank in Would you like to see the bank in | :11:29. | :11:31. | |
Would you like to see the bank in Would you like to see the bank in | :11:31. | :11:32. | |
private hands? I think so. I agree private hands? I think so. I agree | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
private hands? I think so. I agree private hands? I think so. I agree | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
with a comment made a few moments with a comment made a few moments | :11:34. | :11:34. | |
with a comment made a few moments with a comment made a few moments | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
with a comment made a few moments ago, if we sell it off now, we will | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
ago, if we sell it off now, we will ago, if we sell it off now, we will | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
ago, if we sell it off now, we will get far less than it cost the | :11:40. | :11:40. | |
get far less than it cost the get far less than it cost the | :11:41. | :11:41. | |
government in the time, whereas government in the time, whereas | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
government in the time, whereas there is every indication to | :11:44. | :11:45. | |
there is every indication to there is every indication to | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
there is every indication to believe that if we hold on for a | :11:46. | :11:47. | |
believe that if we hold on for a believe that if we hold on for a | :11:47. | :11:48. | |
believe that if we hold on for a period, then we will get our money | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
period, then we will get our money period, then we will get our money | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
back. One reason, there is a back. One reason, there is a | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
back. One reason, there is a divestment strategy may need leaner, | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
divestment strategy may need leaner, divestment strategy may need leaner, | :11:58. | :11:59. | |
more profitable. Less of the risks more profitable. Less of the risks | :11:59. | :12:01. | |
more profitable. Less of the risks involved with the larger RBS. | :12:01. | :12:02. | |
involved with the larger RBS. involved with the larger RBS. | :12:02. | :12:05. | |
Secondly, we all assume the economy Secondly, we all assume the economy | :12:05. | :12:05. | |
Secondly, we all assume the economy Secondly, we all assume the economy | :12:05. | :12:06. | |
will turn around and, as it does, will turn around and, as it does, | :12:07. | :12:09. | |
will turn around and, as it does, will turn around and, as it does, | :12:09. | :12:10. | |
banks will begin to rise. But, of banks will begin to rise. But, of | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
banks will begin to rise. But, of banks will begin to rise. But, of | :12:12. | :12:13. | |
course, RBS will be one of those. course, RBS will be one of those. | :12:13. | :12:16. | |
course, RBS will be one of those. course, RBS will be one of those. | :12:16. | :12:17. | |
But by holding on to them, then a But by holding on to them, then a | :12:17. | :12:18. | |
But by holding on to them, then a you're slowing down the process of | :12:18. | :12:19. | |
you're slowing down the process of you're slowing down the process of | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
RBS getting back into profit. We RBS getting back into profit. We | :12:21. | :12:22. | |
RBS getting back into profit. We will see these losses continue year | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
will see these losses continue year will see these losses continue year | :12:25. | :12:26. | |
will see these losses continue year after year. No, I don't think we | :12:26. | :12:27. | |
after year. No, I don't think we after year. No, I don't think we | :12:27. | :12:28. | |
will. The vast majority of the will. The vast majority of the | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
will. The vast majority of the losses this year were provisions | :12:31. | :12:32. | |
losses this year were provisions for payment protection insurance, | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
for payment protection insurance, for payment protection insurance, | :12:35. | :12:36. | |
which actually, don't predate as which actually, don't predate as | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
which actually, don't predate as was suggested by or analyst. They | :12:38. | :12:39. | |
was suggested by or analyst. They was suggested by or analyst. They | :12:39. | :12:40. | |
continued well past the changeover continued well past the changeover | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
continued well past the changeover dates. I do think there are | :12:42. | :12:44. | |
dates. I do think there are dates. I do think there are | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
continuing problems at RBS, but continuing problems at RBS, but | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
continuing problems at RBS, but they have gone through a remarkable | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
they have gone through a remarkable they have gone through a remarkable | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
transformation in the last few transformation in the last few | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
years, they have divested years, they have divested | :12:52. | :12:53. | |
years, they have divested themselves of the bad assets they | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
themselves of the bad assets they themselves of the bad assets they | :12:55. | :12:56. | |
themselves of the bad assets they had, and we need to see this | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
had, and we need to see this had, and we need to see this | :12:58. | :12:58. | |
programme through. And then decide programme through. And then decide | :12:58. | :12:59. | |
programme through. And then decide when the appropriate time is to | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
when the appropriate time is to when the appropriate time is to | :13:01. | :13:02. | |
when the appropriate time is to sell. At this point, do you think | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
sell. At this point, do you think sell. At this point, do you think | :13:04. | :13:05. | |
was justified to have over �600 was justified to have over �600 | :13:05. | :13:07. | |
was justified to have over �600 million worth of bonuses? I think | :13:07. | :13:08. | |
million worth of bonuses? I think million worth of bonuses? I think | :13:08. | :13:09. | |
you are stuck with the bonus you are stuck with the bonus | :13:09. | :13:10. | |
you are stuck with the bonus you are stuck with the bonus | :13:10. | :13:11. | |
problem. It makes my blood boil but problem. It makes my blood boil but | :13:11. | :13:12. | |
problem. It makes my blood boil but it's the way they operate. Boris | :13:12. | :13:13. | |
it's the way they operate. Boris it's the way they operate. Boris | :13:13. | :13:16. | |
Johnson spoke out about it this Johnson spoke out about it this | :13:16. | :13:17. | |
Johnson spoke out about it this morning. He said we should Capper | :13:17. | :13:18. | |
morning. He said we should Capper morning. He said we should Capper | :13:18. | :13:19. | |
bankers bonuses for so it sounds bankers bonuses for so it sounds | :13:19. | :13:20. | |
bankers bonuses for so it sounds all well and good and makes | :13:20. | :13:22. | |
all well and good and makes all well and good and makes | :13:22. | :13:22. | |
everybody feel better, but the fact everybody feel better, but the fact | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
everybody feel better, but the fact everybody feel better, but the fact | :13:24. | :13:24. | |
of the matter is, bank bonuses are of the matter is, bank bonuses are | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
of the matter is, bank bonuses are essential in business. It's an ugly | :13:28. | :13:28. | |
essential in business. It's an ugly essential in business. It's an ugly | :13:28. | :13:30. | |
side of banking, not at all side of banking, not at all | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
side of banking, not at all attractive, but a matter of fact. | :13:32. | :13:34. | |
attractive, but a matter of fact. What is particularly unattractive | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
What is particularly unattractive What is particularly unattractive | :13:35. | :13:36. | |
What is particularly unattractive is a registered a loss of over �5 | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
is a registered a loss of over �5 is a registered a loss of over �5 | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
billion, and are paying out bonuses billion, and are paying out bonuses | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
billion, and are paying out bonuses billion, and are paying out bonuses | :13:42. | :13:42. | |
at the same time for that the at the same time for that the | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
public won't understand that. public won't understand that. | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
public won't understand that. Except, of course, there is the | :13:45. | :13:47. | |
Except, of course, there is the Except, of course, there is the | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
ironic situation of an underlying ironic situation of an underlying | :13:48. | :13:50. | |
ironic situation of an underlying profit, which most people, I did | :13:50. | :13:52. | |
profit, which most people, I did profit, which most people, I did | :13:52. | :13:53. | |
appreciated, in terms of justifying appreciated, in terms of justifying | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
appreciated, in terms of justifying and giving out bonuses, but, John | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
and giving out bonuses, but, John and giving out bonuses, but, John | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
Redwood, these people have made his Redwood, these people have made his | :14:00. | :14:01. | |
underlying profits. I would underlying profits. I would | :14:01. | :14:02. | |
underlying profits. I would distinguish between people of the | :14:02. | :14:03. | |
distinguish between people of the distinguish between people of the | :14:03. | :14:04. | |
top lot of responsibility for the top lot of responsibility for the | :14:04. | :14:05. | |
top lot of responsibility for the overall results. It's a loss-making | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
overall results. It's a loss-making overall results. It's a loss-making | :14:08. | :14:09. | |
bank, state-owned. We need profit bank, state-owned. We need profit | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
bank, state-owned. We need profit bank, state-owned. We need profit | :14:12. | :14:12. | |
and we need a return on investment. and we need a return on investment. | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
and we need a return on investment. People in the individual divisions, | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
People in the individual divisions, People in the individual divisions, | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
People in the individual divisions, offered a bonus to make sure they | :14:16. | :14:17. | |
offered a bonus to make sure they offered a bonus to make sure they | :14:17. | :14:18. | |
were properly, have a clear legal were properly, have a clear legal | :14:18. | :14:21. | |
were properly, have a clear legal were properly, have a clear legal | :14:21. | :14:21. | |
case to be paid a bonus. People case to be paid a bonus. People | :14:21. | :14:22. | |
case to be paid a bonus. People case to be paid a bonus. People | :14:22. | :14:23. | |
will find it a double to understand will find it a double to understand | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
will find it a double to understand that. Do you appreciate that, in | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
that. Do you appreciate that, in that. Do you appreciate that, in | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
that. Do you appreciate that, in order for the bank to get back to | :14:27. | :14:28. | |
order for the bank to get back to order for the bank to get back to | :14:28. | :14:29. | |
business as usual, people do have business as usual, people do have | :14:29. | :14:30. | |
business as usual, people do have business as usual, people do have | :14:30. | :14:31. | |
to be rewarded if they are helping to be rewarded if they are helping | :14:31. | :14:33. | |
to be rewarded if they are helping it become more profitable? Yes, but | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
it become more profitable? Yes, but it become more profitable? Yes, but | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
it become more profitable? Yes, but there needs to be a clear link | :14:36. | :14:37. | |
there needs to be a clear link there needs to be a clear link | :14:37. | :14:38. | |
established for the public and the established for the public and the | :14:38. | :14:39. | |
established for the public and the performance on which to base those | :14:39. | :14:40. | |
performance on which to base those performance on which to base those | :14:40. | :14:42. | |
bonuses. When you lose the amounts bonuses. When you lose the amounts | :14:42. | :14:44. | |
bonuses. When you lose the amounts bonuses. When you lose the amounts | :14:44. | :14:44. | |
of money RBS have been losing for of money RBS have been losing for | :14:44. | :14:46. | |
of money RBS have been losing for the last few years, it's very | :14:46. | :14:47. | |
the last few years, it's very the last few years, it's very | :14:47. | :14:47. | |
difficult and I understand the difficult and I understand the | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
difficult and I understand the public don't always understand the | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
public don't always understand the public don't always understand the | :14:51. | :14:52. | |
complexities and nuances of this, complexities and nuances of this, | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
complexities and nuances of this, complexities and nuances of this, | :14:54. | :14:54. | |
but it is incumbent on RBS and but it is incumbent on RBS and | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
but it is incumbent on RBS and other banks as well to establish | :14:56. | :14:57. | |
other banks as well to establish other banks as well to establish | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
very firmly why these bonuses have very firmly why these bonuses have | :15:00. | :15:00. | |
very firmly why these bonuses have very firmly why these bonuses have | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
been paid. If you work at RBS and been paid. If you work at RBS and | :15:02. | :15:03. | |
been paid. If you work at RBS and you know you are personally | :15:03. | :15:04. | |
you know you are personally you know you are personally | :15:04. | :15:05. | |
responsible for the rise in profits, responsible for the rise in profits, | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
responsible for the rise in profits, and then you're told, for political | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
and then you're told, for political reasons, public relations reasons, | :15:09. | :15:10. | |
reasons, public relations reasons, reasons, public relations reasons, | :15:10. | :15:11. | |
reasons, public relations reasons, you will go to another bank, when | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
you will go to another bank, when you will go to another bank, when | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
she couldn't get a bonus. It's she couldn't get a bonus. It's | :15:15. | :15:16. | |
she couldn't get a bonus. It's important that they explain it but | :15:16. | :15:17. | |
important that they explain it but important that they explain it but | :15:17. | :15:18. | |
important that they explain it but also we have to set is the context. | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
also we have to set is the context. also we have to set is the context. | :15:20. | :15:21. | |
Of course, they might make money Of course, they might make money | :15:21. | :15:22. | |
Of course, they might make money Of course, they might make money | :15:22. | :15:26. | |
this year but what about in future? this year but what about in future? | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
Long-term performance. We need Long-term performance. We need | :15:28. | :15:29. | |
proper performance-based incentives. proper performance-based incentives. | :15:29. | :15:31. | |
proper performance-based incentives. proper performance-based incentives. | :15:31. | :15:32. | |
We need to make sure that these We need to make sure that these | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
We need to make sure that these arrangements don't just last for | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
arrangements don't just last for arrangements don't just last for | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
arrangements don't just last for one year but 10 years. And we need | :15:37. | :15:39. | |
one year but 10 years. And we need one year but 10 years. And we need | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
one year but 10 years. And we need to be firm and suggest you don't | :15:41. | :15:42. | |
to be firm and suggest you don't to be firm and suggest you don't | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
to be firm and suggest you don't to be firm and suggest you don't | :15:44. | :15:45. | |
pay this in cash. You pay it, in my pay this in cash. You pay it, in my | :15:45. | :15:48. | |
pay this in cash. You pay it, in my pay this in cash. You pay it, in my | :15:48. | :15:50. | |
view, in that debt, and it should, view, in that debt, and it should, | :15:50. | :15:50. | |
view, in that debt, and it should, view, in that debt, and it should, | :15:50. | :15:52. | |
if the bank goes bust, they will if the bank goes bust, they will | :15:52. | :16:02. | |
:16:02. | :16:05. | ||
if the bank goes bust, they will So what do you say about capping | :16:05. | :16:06. | |
So what do you say about capping So what do you say about capping | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
So what do you say about capping bonuses? It is -- is it a good idea? | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
bonuses? It is -- is it a good idea? bonuses? It is -- is it a good idea? | :16:10. | :16:11. | |
It is dangerous because the banks It is dangerous because the banks | :16:11. | :16:13. | |
It is dangerous because the banks will simply increase the base salad | :16:13. | :16:14. | |
will simply increase the base salad will simply increase the base salad | :16:14. | :16:14. | |
will simply increase the base salad tail -- salaries so they are more | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
tail -- salaries so they are more tail -- salaries so they are more | :16:17. | :16:17. | |
volatile. If there is a downturn volatile. If there is a downturn | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
volatile. If there is a downturn volatile. If there is a downturn | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
they won't be able to cut the base they won't be able to cut the base | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
they won't be able to cut the base they won't be able to cut the base | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
salary, but they will be able to cut salary, but they will be able to cut | :16:23. | :16:24. | |
salary, but they will be able to cut salary, but they will be able to cut | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
bonuses, so it makes them far less bonuses, so it makes them far less | :16:27. | :16:29. | |
bonuses, so it makes them far less bonuses, so it makes them far less | :16:29. | :16:29. | |
stable. And then others will go to stable. And then others will go to | :16:29. | :16:30. | |
stable. And then others will go to centres outside the European Union | :16:30. | :16:30. | |
centres outside the European Union centres outside the European Union | :16:31. | :16:31. | |
centres outside the European Union where they don't face those kinds of | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
where they don't face those kinds of where they don't face those kinds of | :16:34. | :16:35. | |
restrictions. One of the biggest restrictions. One of the biggest | :16:35. | :16:36. | |
restrictions. One of the biggest problem still is lending to small | :16:36. | :16:38. | |
problem still is lending to small problem still is lending to small | :16:38. | :16:38. | |
problem still is lending to small businesses. I don't know what RBS is | :16:39. | :16:40. | |
businesses. I don't know what RBS is businesses. I don't know what RBS is | :16:40. | :16:41. | |
businesses. I don't know what RBS is like in terms of its performance or | :16:41. | :16:42. | |
like in terms of its performance or like in terms of its performance or | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
giving credit generally. Has that giving credit generally. Has that | :16:45. | :16:47. | |
giving credit generally. Has that giving credit generally. Has that | :16:47. | :16:47. | |
improved? No, it hasn't. In fact, it improved? No, it hasn't. In fact, it | :16:47. | :16:48. | |
improved? No, it hasn't. In fact, it is getting worse because they are | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
is getting worse because they are is getting worse because they are | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
using the opportunity of businesses using the opportunity of businesses | :16:53. | :16:54. | |
using the opportunity of businesses paying back to increase their | :16:54. | :16:55. | |
paying back to increase their paying back to increase their | :16:55. | :16:55. | |
capital. They are under some capital. They are under some | :16:55. | :16:56. | |
capital. They are under some pressure to increase the level of | :16:56. | :16:59. | |
pressure to increase the level of pressure to increase the level of | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
capital. But isn't that the problem capital. But isn't that the problem | :17:01. | :17:01. | |
capital. But isn't that the problem for the banks dash that the | :17:01. | :17:02. | |
for the banks dash that the for the banks dash that the | :17:02. | :17:04. | |
Government has got them between a Government has got them between a | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
Government has got them between a Government has got them between a | :17:05. | :17:06. | |
rock and a hard place? They are rock and a hard place? They are | :17:06. | :17:06. | |
rock and a hard place? They are putting down these measures and | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
putting down these measures and putting down these measures and | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
saying, you have got to increase saying, you have got to increase | :17:12. | :17:12. | |
saying, you have got to increase saying, you have got to increase | :17:12. | :17:13. | |
your balance sheets but lend more at your balance sheets but lend more at | :17:13. | :17:18. | |
your balance sheets but lend more at the same time? Many have been | :17:18. | :17:20. | |
the same time? Many have been the same time? Many have been | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
saying, then this money because we saying, then this money because we | :17:22. | :17:22. | |
desperately need an economic desperately need an economic | :17:22. | :17:23. | |
desperately need an economic recovery. I've been saying for a | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
recovery. I've been saying for a recovery. I've been saying for a | :17:25. | :17:25. | |
recovery. I've been saying for a long time that I think you have | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
long time that I think you have long time that I think you have | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
long time that I think you have tough regulation near the top of the | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
tough regulation near the top of the tough regulation near the top of the | :17:31. | :17:32. | |
tough regulation near the top of the cycle and much weaker rules at the | :17:32. | :17:33. | |
cycle and much weaker rules at the cycle and much weaker rules at the | :17:33. | :17:33. | |
bottom of the cycle. And bottom of the cycle. And | :17:34. | :17:35. | |
bottom of the cycle. And unfortunately we are still at the | :17:35. | :17:36. | |
unfortunately we are still at the unfortunately we are still at the | :17:37. | :17:37. | |
unfortunately we are still at the bottom of the cycle. At this point | :17:37. | :17:39. | |
bottom of the cycle. At this point you should be reasonably | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
you should be reasonably you should be reasonably | :17:40. | :17:42. | |
accommodating. The banks have made accommodating. The banks have made | :17:42. | :17:42. | |
accommodating. The banks have made huge strides in having more | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
huge strides in having more huge strides in having more | :17:44. | :17:45. | |
capital. The regulators should now capital. The regulators should now | :17:45. | :17:46. | |
capital. The regulators should now capital. The regulators should now | :17:46. | :17:47. | |
say, job done, for a bit, and we say, job done, for a bit, and we | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
say, job done, for a bit, and we say, job done, for a bit, and we | :17:50. | :17:51. | |
should go on and then some. Do you should go on and then some. Do you | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
should go on and then some. Do you should go on and then some. Do you | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
should go on and then some. Do you see that as a priority? Yes, I do. | :17:58. | :17:59. | |
see that as a priority? Yes, I do. see that as a priority? Yes, I do. | :17:59. | :18:01. | |
think the regulator could start by think the regulator could start by | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
think the regulator could start by telling banks publicly that since we | :18:03. | :18:04. | |
telling banks publicly that since we telling banks publicly that since we | :18:04. | :18:05. | |
telling banks publicly that since we are at the low point in the cycle, | :18:05. | :18:06. | |
are at the low point in the cycle, are at the low point in the cycle, | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
are at the low point in the cycle, that they are going to be much more | :18:08. | :18:09. | |
that they are going to be much more that they are going to be much more | :18:09. | :18:10. | |
lenient in terms of what they lenient in terms of what they | :18:10. | :18:11. | |
lenient in terms of what they lenient in terms of what they | :18:11. | :18:12. | |
demand, and then of course we need demand, and then of course we need | :18:12. | :18:13. | |
demand, and then of course we need to enter into discussions with the | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
to enter into discussions with the to enter into discussions with the | :18:15. | :18:16. | |
banks as to exactly what that banks as to exactly what that | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
banks as to exactly what that means, but undoubtedly, unless that | :18:18. | :18:18. | |
means, but undoubtedly, unless that means, but undoubtedly, unless that | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
means, but undoubtedly, unless that happens, it is really hard to see | :18:21. | :18:22. | |
happens, it is really hard to see happens, it is really hard to see | :18:22. | :18:22. | |
that banks will increase their that banks will increase their | :18:22. | :18:27. | |
lending, particularly to small lending, particularly to small | :18:27. | :18:28. | |
businesses. Gentlemen, thank you. businesses. Gentlemen, thank you. | :18:28. | :18:29. | |
businesses. Gentlemen, thank you. businesses. Gentlemen, thank you. | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
businesses. Gentlemen, thank you. Now, it is a bill that has made the | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
Now, it is a bill that has made the Now, it is a bill that has made the | :18:34. | :18:34. | |
headlines today in Resource Magazine headlines today in Resource Magazine | :18:34. | :18:35. | |
headlines today in Resource Magazine and Recycling Today. It should | :18:35. | :18:37. | |
and Recycling Today. It should and Recycling Today. It should | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
become law later today. The Scrap become law later today. The Scrap | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
become law later today. The Scrap become law later today. The Scrap | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
Metal Dealers Bill is going on. It Metal Dealers Bill is going on. It | :18:45. | :18:46. | |
Metal Dealers Bill is going on. It is obviously an important bill, | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
is obviously an important bill, is obviously an important bill, | :18:47. | :18:50. | |
Richard Ottaway? You have made the Richard Ottaway? You have made the | :18:50. | :18:51. | |
Richard Ottaway? You have made the Richard Ottaway? You have made the | :18:51. | :18:52. | |
headlines? Yes, it was made law this headlines? Yes, it was made law this | :18:52. | :18:53. | |
headlines? Yes, it was made law this morning. And it is an important | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
morning. And it is an important morning. And it is an important | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
morning. And it is an important bill, as you rightly say. It is | :18:56. | :18:57. | |
bill, as you rightly say. It is bill, as you rightly say. It is | :18:57. | :18:58. | |
addressing a serious problem. It is addressing a serious problem. It is | :18:58. | :19:00. | |
addressing a serious problem. It is addressing a serious problem. It is | :19:00. | :19:01. | |
not just petty crime or a victimless not just petty crime or a victimless | :19:01. | :19:02. | |
not just petty crime or a victimless not just petty crime or a victimless | :19:02. | :19:03. | |
not just petty crime or a victimless crime. It is a crime that has a big | :19:03. | :19:04. | |
crime. It is a crime that has a big crime. It is a crime that has a big | :19:04. | :19:04. | |
crime. It is a crime that has a big pat on society so it is important | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
pat on society so it is important pat on society so it is important | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
pat on society so it is important legislation. -- a big impact. We are | :19:13. | :19:14. | |
legislation. -- a big impact. We are legislation. -- a big impact. We are | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
not just talking about metal left not just talking about metal left | :19:16. | :19:17. | |
not just talking about metal left outside people's houses. We are | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
outside people's houses. We are outside people's houses. We are | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
talking major theft? The estimate is talking major theft? The estimate is | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
talking major theft? The estimate is talking major theft? The estimate is | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
that nationwide it is -- costing the that nationwide it is -- costing the | :19:26. | :19:26. | |
that nationwide it is -- costing the economy quarter of �1 billion a | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
economy quarter of �1 billion a economy quarter of �1 billion a | :19:29. | :19:30. | |
year, from church groups to year, from church groups to | :19:30. | :19:31. | |
telecommunications cables and then telecommunications cables and then | :19:31. | :19:34. | |
telecommunications cables and then telecommunications cables and then | :19:34. | :19:34. | |
plaques in memorials. It is a lot of plaques in memorials. It is a lot of | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
plaques in memorials. It is a lot of plaques in memorials. It is a lot of | :19:36. | :19:36. | |
money involved and indeed a lot of money involved and indeed a lot of | :19:36. | :19:40. | |
money involved and indeed a lot of lost revenue to the Treasury. | :19:40. | :19:41. | |
lost revenue to the Treasury. lost revenue to the Treasury. | :19:41. | :19:41. | |
lost revenue to the Treasury. will you so interested in it? Apart | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
will you so interested in it? Apart will you so interested in it? Apart | :19:44. | :19:45. | |
will you so interested in it? Apart from the fact that it is costing the | :19:45. | :19:46. | |
from the fact that it is costing the from the fact that it is costing the | :19:47. | :19:47. | |
from the fact that it is costing the economy so much money? -- why were | :19:47. | :19:52. | |
economy so much money? -- why were economy so much money? -- why were | :19:52. | :19:53. | |
economy so much money? -- why were you? Well, bits of lead from the | :19:53. | :19:54. | |
you? Well, bits of lead from the you? Well, bits of lead from the | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
you? Well, bits of lead from the parish roof where I live with stolen | :19:55. | :19:56. | |
parish roof where I live with stolen parish roof where I live with stolen | :19:56. | :19:57. | |
and the damage to the organ and the damage to the organ | :19:57. | :19:59. | |
and the damage to the organ underneath the roof cost over | :19:59. | :20:00. | |
underneath the roof cost over underneath the roof cost over | :20:00. | :20:01. | |
underneath the roof cost over �100,000, so I pledged in the last | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
�100,000, so I pledged in the last �100,000, so I pledged in the last | :20:02. | :20:02. | |
�100,000, so I pledged in the last election that if I had a chance, I | :20:02. | :20:03. | |
election that if I had a chance, I election that if I had a chance, I | :20:03. | :20:04. | |
election that if I had a chance, I would do my best to reform in the | :20:04. | :20:06. | |
would do my best to reform in the would do my best to reform in the | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
would do my best to reform in the Lords and I like to think I have | :20:07. | :20:08. | |
Lords and I like to think I have Lords and I like to think I have | :20:08. | :20:10. | |
Lords and I like to think I have done that in my pledge this morning. | :20:10. | :20:11. | |
done that in my pledge this morning. done that in my pledge this morning. | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
done that in my pledge this morning. How do people get away with stealing | :20:13. | :20:15. | |
How do people get away with stealing How do people get away with stealing | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
How do people get away with stealing this? Things like a roof?It is a | :20:20. | :20:22. | |
this? Things like a roof?It is a this? Things like a roof?It is a | :20:22. | :20:23. | |
fairly lawless area. There have been fairly lawless area. There have been | :20:23. | :20:24. | |
fairly lawless area. There have been many rogue scrap metal dealers, to | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
many rogue scrap metal dealers, to many rogue scrap metal dealers, to | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
many rogue scrap metal dealers, to be honest. We have had to make it | :20:31. | :20:34. | |
be honest. We have had to make it be honest. We have had to make it | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
difficult by saying cash can't be difficult by saying cash can't be | :20:35. | :20:36. | |
difficult by saying cash can't be difficult by saying cash can't be | :20:36. | :20:38. | |
used for deals and records have to used for deals and records have to | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
used for deals and records have to be made. Where we've actually done | :20:39. | :20:40. | |
be made. Where we've actually done be made. Where we've actually done | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
this on voluntary basis around the this on voluntary basis around the | :20:43. | :20:44. | |
this on voluntary basis around the country through the police, who have | :20:44. | :20:45. | |
country through the police, who have country through the police, who have | :20:45. | :20:48. | |
been operating voluntary codes, we been operating voluntary codes, we | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
been operating voluntary codes, we been operating voluntary codes, we | :20:49. | :20:50. | |
been operating voluntary codes, we have seen a 40% fall and more in the | :20:50. | :20:51. | |
have seen a 40% fall and more in the have seen a 40% fall and more in the | :20:51. | :20:51. | |
have seen a 40% fall and more in the level of metal theft and I like to | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
level of metal theft and I like to level of metal theft and I like to | :20:52. | :20:53. | |
level of metal theft and I like to think that figure will go up quite | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
think that figure will go up quite think that figure will go up quite | :20:55. | :20:55. | |
dramatically later this year when my dramatically later this year when my | :20:55. | :21:01. | |
dramatically later this year when my dramatically later this year when my | :21:01. | :21:01. | |
act comes into effect. Thank you and act comes into effect. Thank you and | :21:01. | :21:07. | |
act comes into effect. Thank you and enjoy being on the headlines today! | :21:07. | :21:08. | |
enjoy being on the headlines today! enjoy being on the headlines today! | :21:08. | :21:09. | |
Figures this morning reveal net Figures this morning reveal net | :21:09. | :21:12. | |
Figures this morning reveal net Figures this morning reveal net | :21:12. | :21:13. | |
migration fell by a third to 163,000 migration fell by a third to 163,000 | :21:13. | :21:14. | |
migration fell by a third to 163,000 migration fell by a third to 163,000 | :21:14. | :21:15. | |
to the 12 months in June. The to the 12 months in June. The | :21:15. | :21:16. | |
to the 12 months in June. The Government has pledged to reduce | :21:16. | :21:17. | |
Government has pledged to reduce Government has pledged to reduce | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
Government has pledged to reduce that to the tens of thousands by | :21:18. | :21:19. | |
that to the tens of thousands by that to the tens of thousands by | :21:19. | :21:20. | |
2015 and showed its immigration 2015 and showed its immigration | :21:20. | :21:23. | |
2015 and showed its immigration policy is working. The figures show | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
policy is working. The figures show policy is working. The figures show | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
a significant decrease from people a significant decrease from people | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
arriving from the Commonwealth arriving from the Commonwealth | :21:31. | :21:34. | |
countries, such as Bangladesh, countries, such as Bangladesh, | :21:34. | :21:37. | |
Pakistan, India, Botswana and Pakistan, India, Botswana and | :21:37. | :21:38. | |
Pakistan, India, Botswana and elsewhere. We are joined by Mark | :21:38. | :21:39. | |
elsewhere. We are joined by Mark elsewhere. We are joined by Mark | :21:39. | :21:40. | |
Harper. Why have the numbers come Harper. Why have the numbers come | :21:40. | :21:45. | |
Harper. Why have the numbers come down so dramatically? They are | :21:45. | :21:46. | |
down so dramatically? They are basically reflecting the policy | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
basically reflecting the policy basically reflecting the policy | :21:50. | :21:51. | |
changes we have made. The overall changes we have made. The overall | :21:51. | :21:53. | |
changes we have made. The overall changes we have made. The overall | :21:53. | :21:54. | |
number of students is down while we number of students is down while we | :21:54. | :21:55. | |
have protected our university have protected our university | :21:55. | :21:56. | |
have protected our university have protected our university | :21:56. | :21:57. | |
places, so the number of those is up places, so the number of those is up | :21:57. | :21:58. | |
places, so the number of those is up places, so the number of those is up | :21:58. | :21:59. | |
by 3%. We have seen fewer people by 3%. We have seen fewer people | :21:59. | :22:00. | |
by 3%. We have seen fewer people by 3%. We have seen fewer people | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
coming to do unskilled work but more coming to do unskilled work but more | :22:02. | :22:03. | |
coming to do unskilled work but more coming to do unskilled work but more | :22:03. | :22:04. | |
people coming to do skilled work, so people coming to do skilled work, so | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
people coming to do skilled work, so bringing in benefit to the country, | :22:06. | :22:06. | |
bringing in benefit to the country, bringing in benefit to the country, | :22:07. | :22:08. | |
and a reduction in people applying and a reduction in people applying | :22:08. | :22:09. | |
and a reduction in people applying and a reduction in people applying | :22:09. | :22:10. | |
for family visas. So we are getting for family visas. So we are getting | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
for family visas. So we are getting a more selective system, so fewer | :22:11. | :22:12. | |
a more selective system, so fewer a more selective system, so fewer | :22:12. | :22:14. | |
people overall but the right people people overall but the right people | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
people overall but the right people coming to add youngster the country. | :22:16. | :22:17. | |
coming to add youngster the country. coming to add youngster the country. | :22:17. | :22:18. | |
The best and the brightest from The best and the brightest from | :22:18. | :22:18. | |
The best and the brightest from around the world, as the Prime | :22:18. | :22:24. | |
around the world, as the Prime around the world, as the Prime | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
Minister said recently. But the Minister said recently. But the | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
Minister said recently. But the Prime Minister said Britain was open | :22:31. | :22:32. | |
Prime Minister said Britain was open Prime Minister said Britain was open | :22:33. | :22:33. | |
for business. What is the change for business. What is the change | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
for business. What is the change that means we are getting those | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
that means we are getting those that means we are getting those | :22:36. | :22:40. | |
skilled people without the unskilled skilled people without the unskilled | :22:40. | :22:41. | |
skilled people without the unskilled ones? We have very good performance | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
ones? We have very good performance ones? We have very good performance | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
for people coming on business and for people coming on business and | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
for people coming on business and tourism visits. We have a good | :22:46. | :22:47. | |
tourism visits. We have a good tourism visits. We have a good | :22:47. | :22:48. | |
system with company transfers, which system with company transfers, which | :22:48. | :22:49. | |
system with company transfers, which is where companies can use their | :22:49. | :22:50. | |
is where companies can use their is where companies can use their | :22:51. | :22:51. | |
employees around the world. Many employees around the world. Many | :22:51. | :22:52. | |
employees around the world. Many employees around the world. Many | :22:52. | :22:53. | |
have said it is the best system in have said it is the best system in | :22:53. | :22:54. | |
have said it is the best system in have said it is the best system in | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
the world. And many are coming for the world. And many are coming for | :22:57. | :22:58. | |
the world. And many are coming for skilled work and we aren't anywhere | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
skilled work and we aren't anywhere skilled work and we aren't anywhere | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
skilled work and we aren't anywhere near a on that so there hasn't been | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
near a on that so there hasn't been near a on that so there hasn't been | :23:01. | :23:02. | |
anybody prevented coming here to do anybody prevented coming here to do | :23:02. | :23:06. | |
anybody prevented coming here to do skilled work the United Kingdom. | :23:06. | :23:06. | |
skilled work the United Kingdom. skilled work the United Kingdom. | :23:06. | :23:07. | |
skilled work the United Kingdom. is not getting in now who was | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
is not getting in now who was is not getting in now who was | :23:08. | :23:09. | |
is not getting in now who was getting in a couple of years ago? | :23:09. | :23:10. | |
getting in a couple of years ago? getting in a couple of years ago? | :23:10. | :23:14. | |
getting in a couple of years ago? Who is being turned away? One of the | :23:14. | :23:15. | |
Who is being turned away? One of the Who is being turned away? One of the | :23:15. | :23:16. | |
big reductions is people coming in big reductions is people coming in | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
big reductions is people coming in through the student route who aren't | :23:17. | :23:18. | |
through the student route who aren't through the student route who aren't | :23:18. | :23:19. | |
through the student route who aren't students. So people come in a couple | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
students. So people come in a couple students. So people come in a couple | :23:21. | :23:22. | |
of years ago either coming to of years ago either coming to | :23:22. | :23:24. | |
of years ago either coming to institutions to ostensibly study but | :23:24. | :23:25. | |
institutions to ostensibly study but institutions to ostensibly study but | :23:25. | :23:26. | |
they weren't studying. They were they weren't studying. They were | :23:26. | :23:26. | |
they weren't studying. They were they weren't studying. They were | :23:26. | :23:27. | |
they weren't studying. They were coming as a way to work and we have | :23:27. | :23:28. | |
coming as a way to work and we have coming as a way to work and we have | :23:28. | :23:28. | |
coming as a way to work and we have rooted out that abuse, which is why | :23:29. | :23:30. | |
rooted out that abuse, which is why rooted out that abuse, which is why | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
we have seen the overall student we have seen the overall student | :23:32. | :23:33. | |
we have seen the overall student numbers fall while universities are | :23:33. | :23:33. | |
numbers fall while universities are still seeing more international | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
still seeing more international still seeing more international | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
students. The second is those students. The second is those | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
students. The second is those staying after their studies. We now | :23:39. | :23:41. | |
staying after their studies. We now staying after their studies. We now | :23:41. | :23:41. | |
staying after their studies. We now say if you are a university student | :23:41. | :23:42. | |
say if you are a university student say if you are a university student | :23:42. | :23:43. | |
say if you are a university student you can stay to take a graduate | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
you can stay to take a graduate you can stay to take a graduate | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
level drop pay more than �20,000. level drop pay more than �20,000. | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
level drop pay more than �20,000. level drop pay more than �20,000. | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
What was happening a few years ago What was happening a few years ago | :23:47. | :23:48. | |
What was happening a few years ago was that many people were staying | :23:48. | :23:49. | |
was that many people were staying was that many people were staying | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
and they were only getting unskilled and they were only getting unskilled | :23:51. | :23:51. | |
and they were only getting unskilled work. They were going on benefits. | :23:51. | :23:53. | |
work. They were going on benefits. work. They were going on benefits. | :23:53. | :23:54. | |
work. They were going on benefits. We have stop that so it is fewer | :23:55. | :23:55. | |
We have stop that so it is fewer We have stop that so it is fewer | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
people overall but the right people. people overall but the right people. | :23:58. | :23:59. | |
people overall but the right people. people overall but the right people. | :23:59. | :24:00. | |
Except a think tank has said this Except a think tank has said this | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
Except a think tank has said this morning that the reduction today is | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
morning that the reduction today is morning that the reduction today is | :24:03. | :24:03. | |
due to falling numbers of due to falling numbers of | :24:03. | :24:04. | |
international students which will international students which will | :24:04. | :24:06. | |
international students which will international students which will | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
only have a short-term effect on net only have a short-term effect on net | :24:07. | :24:07. | |
only have a short-term effect on net migration, so actually the figures | :24:07. | :24:11. | |
migration, so actually the figures migration, so actually the figures | :24:11. | :24:12. | |
migration, so actually the figures will go back up. Well, no, if you | :24:12. | :24:13. | |
will go back up. Well, no, if you will go back up. Well, no, if you | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
look at the figures they publish, look at the figures they publish, | :24:15. | :24:16. | |
look at the figures they publish, those longer ago than our up-to-date | :24:16. | :24:17. | |
those longer ago than our up-to-date those longer ago than our up-to-date | :24:17. | :24:18. | |
Visa statistics. And they say the Visa statistics. And they say the | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
Visa statistics. And they say the number of visas we are granting, | :24:21. | :24:22. | |
number of visas we are granting, number of visas we are granting, | :24:22. | :24:23. | |
which show the statistics of which show the statistics of | :24:23. | :24:25. | |
which show the statistics of migrants, are continuing to fall, so | :24:25. | :24:26. | |
migrants, are continuing to fall, so migrants, are continuing to fall, so | :24:26. | :24:27. | |
the direction of travel is still the direction of travel is still | :24:27. | :24:28. | |
the direction of travel is still heading towards us being able to | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
heading towards us being able to heading towards us being able to | :24:30. | :24:30. | |
fulfil our promise of getting net fulfil our promise of getting net | :24:30. | :24:31. | |
fulfil our promise of getting net migration down towards the tens of | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
migration down towards the tens of migration down towards the tens of | :24:33. | :24:34. | |
thousands by the election. Can you thousands by the election. Can you | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
thousands by the election. Can you thousands by the election. Can you | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
guarantee you will hit that? We have guarantee you will hit that? We have | :24:41. | :24:42. | |
guarantee you will hit that? We have guarantee you will hit that? We have | :24:42. | :24:43. | |
reduced the total, two years in, by reduced the total, two years in, by | :24:43. | :24:44. | |
reduced the total, two years in, by reduced the total, two years in, by | :24:44. | :24:44. | |
a third, and we have three more a third, and we have three more | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
a third, and we have three more a third, and we have three more | :24:46. | :24:47. | |
years of the Parliament to go, so we years of the Parliament to go, so we | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
years of the Parliament to go, so we are absolutely on track. You have | :24:52. | :24:53. | |
are absolutely on track. You have are absolutely on track. You have | :24:53. | :24:54. | |
talked about the figures you can talked about the figures you can | :24:54. | :24:56. | |
talked about the figures you can talked about the figures you can | :24:56. | :24:57. | |
affect but people talk about it the affect but people talk about it the | :24:57. | :24:58. | |
affect but people talk about it the fact that the majority of people | :24:58. | :24:59. | |
fact that the majority of people fact that the majority of people | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
coming in from other EU countries. coming in from other EU countries. | :25:03. | :25:05. | |
coming in from other EU countries. coming in from other EU countries. | :25:05. | :25:05. | |
That is not true. 55% of people That is not true. 55% of people | :25:06. | :25:06. | |
That is not true. 55% of people coming to this country are coming | :25:07. | :25:08. | |
coming to this country are coming coming to this country are coming | :25:08. | :25:08. | |
coming to this country are coming from outside the EU, where we have | :25:09. | :25:09. | |
from outside the EU, where we have from outside the EU, where we have | :25:09. | :25:11. | |
complete control over whether we let complete control over whether we let | :25:11. | :25:12. | |
complete control over whether we let complete control over whether we let | :25:12. | :25:15. | |
them in. 30% are coming from the them in. 30% are coming from the | :25:15. | :25:16. | |
them in. 30% are coming from the EU... Have those numbers come down | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
EU... Have those numbers come down EU... Have those numbers come down | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
as well? Well, those numbers are as well? Well, those numbers are | :25:22. | :25:23. | |
as well? Well, those numbers are flat and some Brits returning from | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
flat and some Brits returning from flat and some Brits returning from | :25:25. | :25:26. | |
flat and some Brits returning from abroad. The EU number is both only a | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
abroad. The EU number is both only a abroad. The EU number is both only a | :25:27. | :25:28. | |
third and it's actually fairly third and it's actually fairly | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
third and it's actually fairly third and it's actually fairly | :25:29. | :25:30. | |
stable. It is balanced out by the stable. It is balanced out by the | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
stable. It is balanced out by the number of British people leaving. | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
number of British people leaving. number of British people leaving. | :25:40. | :25:41. | |
Cynics might argue more people from Cynics might argue more people from | :25:41. | :25:43. | |
Cynics might argue more people from Cynics might argue more people from | :25:43. | :25:43. | |
places like Poland are now going to places like Poland are now going to | :25:43. | :25:44. | |
places like Poland are now going to Germany because the economy is flat | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
Germany because the economy is flat Germany because the economy is flat | :25:50. | :25:52. | |
Germany because the economy is flat here now. Well, I think Labour let | :25:52. | :25:52. | |
here now. Well, I think Labour let here now. Well, I think Labour let | :25:52. | :25:53. | |
the Eastern European migration get the Eastern European migration get | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
the Eastern European migration get out of control, even during their | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
out of control, even during their out of control, even during their | :25:57. | :25:57. | |
time of office, when 80% of time of office, when 80% of | :25:57. | :25:58. | |
time of office, when 80% of migration wizard from outside the | :25:58. | :26:00. | |
migration wizard from outside the migration wizard from outside the | :26:00. | :26:00. | |
migration wizard from outside the EU, which is when we had complete | :26:01. | :26:01. | |
EU, which is when we had complete EU, which is when we had complete | :26:01. | :26:02. | |
EU, which is when we had complete control as long as we have firm | :26:02. | :26:03. | |
control as long as we have firm control as long as we have firm | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
control as long as we have firm policies like the ones we set out. | :26:07. | :26:12. | |
policies like the ones we set out. policies like the ones we set out. | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
-- migration was from. Do you -- migration was from. Do you | :26:17. | :26:17. | |
-- migration was from. Do you support this? Are there any | :26:17. | :26:22. | |
support this? Are there any support this? Are there any | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
corresponding figures that show the corresponding figures that show the | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
corresponding figures that show the numbers and the draining resources? | :26:31. | :26:32. | |
numbers and the draining resources? numbers and the draining resources? | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
Well, last week the interesting Well, last week the interesting | :26:34. | :26:35. | |
Well, last week the interesting thing about the numbers produced | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
thing about the numbers produced thing about the numbers produced | :26:38. | :26:41. | |
showed that 90% of British citizens. showed that 90% of British citizens. | :26:41. | :26:41. | |
showed that 90% of British citizens. showed that 90% of British citizens. | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
Where we saw quite a lot of people Where we saw quite a lot of people | :26:44. | :26:44. | |
Where we saw quite a lot of people getting into work previously who | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
getting into work previously who getting into work previously who | :26:46. | :26:46. | |
were British citizens, more of the were British citizens, more of the | :26:47. | :26:47. | |
were British citizens, more of the were British citizens, more of the | :26:48. | :26:48. | |
job is now being created in Britain job is now being created in Britain | :26:48. | :26:50. | |
job is now being created in Britain job is now being created in Britain | :26:50. | :26:50. | |
and new people going into work are and new people going into work are | :26:51. | :26:52. | |
and new people going into work are British citizens, so I think the | :26:52. | :26:53. | |
British citizens, so I think the British citizens, so I think the | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
changes we're making in the benefit changes we're making in the benefit | :26:55. | :26:56. | |
system combined with migration system combined with migration | :26:56. | :26:57. | |
system combined with migration policies are giving British people | :26:57. | :27:00. | |
policies are giving British people policies are giving British people | :27:00. | :27:00. | |
more of an opportunity. more of an opportunity. | :27:01. | :27:01. | |
more of an opportunity. personally I don't see anything | :27:01. | :27:03. | |
personally I don't see anything personally I don't see anything | :27:03. | :27:04. | |
wrong with a good, fair, democratic wrong with a good, fair, democratic | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
wrong with a good, fair, democratic wrong with a good, fair, democratic | :27:06. | :27:06. | |
filter. I want to make sure we get filter. I want to make sure we get | :27:07. | :27:07. | |
filter. I want to make sure we get the right people coming to the | :27:08. | :27:08. | |
the right people coming to the country because obviously | :27:09. | :27:09. | |
country because obviously country because obviously | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
immigration is crucial to any immigration is crucial to any | :27:13. | :27:13. | |
immigration is crucial to any country, especially a one developing | :27:13. | :27:14. | |
country, especially a one developing country, especially a one developing | :27:14. | :27:15. | |
country, especially a one developing country, especially a one developing | :27:15. | :27:17. | |
like ours. But it has to be a good like ours. But it has to be a good | :27:17. | :27:18. | |
like ours. But it has to be a good thing. But will it change with | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
thing. But will it change with thing. But will it change with | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
Bulgaria and Rumania towards the end Bulgaria and Rumania towards the end | :27:21. | :27:22. | |
Bulgaria and Rumania towards the end of the year? We won't expected | :27:22. | :27:25. | |
of the year? We won't expected of the year? We won't expected | :27:25. | :27:26. | |
forecasts. Because we heard from forecasts. Because we heard from | :27:27. | :27:28. | |
forecasts. Because we heard from forecasts. Because we heard from | :27:28. | :27:28. | |
Michael has time who said, it is Michael has time who said, it is | :27:28. | :27:31. | |
Michael has time who said, it is pointless because you can't tell. | :27:31. | :27:32. | |
pointless because you can't tell. pointless because you can't tell. | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
Yes, exactly. We are looking across Yes, exactly. We are looking across | :27:34. | :27:35. | |
Yes, exactly. We are looking across government in a committee I am | :27:35. | :27:36. | |
government in a committee I am government in a committee I am | :27:36. | :27:39. | |
chairing at all the access to chairing at all the access to | :27:39. | :27:39. | |
chairing at all the access to benefits... Where are you getting | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
benefits... Where are you getting benefits... Where are you getting | :27:42. | :27:43. | |
benefits... Where are you getting that? Because it still seems you can | :27:43. | :27:45. | |
that? Because it still seems you can that? Because it still seems you can | :27:45. | :27:46. | |
get those immediately. We look at get those immediately. We look at | :27:46. | :27:47. | |
get those immediately. We look at what we offer competitive other | :27:47. | :27:47. | |
what we offer competitive other what we offer competitive other | :27:47. | :27:48. | |
what we offer competitive other people and that we are not a soft | :27:48. | :27:49. | |
people and that we are not a soft people and that we are not a soft | :27:49. | :27:50. | |
touch, and the Prime Minister said touch, and the Prime Minister said | :27:51. | :27:52. | |
touch, and the Prime Minister said that again yesterday. So that work | :27:52. | :27:53. | |
that again yesterday. So that work that again yesterday. So that work | :27:53. | :27:53. | |
that again yesterday. So that work is underway, putting a lot of work | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
is underway, putting a lot of work is underway, putting a lot of work | :27:55. | :27:56. | |
across government. You have the across government. You have the | :27:56. | :28:01. | |
across government. You have the across government. You have the | :28:01. | :28:01. | |
Secretary of State for health say he Secretary of State for health say he | :28:01. | :28:02. | |
Secretary of State for health say he Secretary of State for health say he | :28:02. | :28:03. | |
was looking at things as well this was looking at things as well this | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
was looking at things as well this was looking at things as well this | :28:08. | :28:08. | |
week, making sure we cannot -- do week, making sure we cannot -- do | :28:08. | :28:13. | |
week, making sure we cannot -- do not get health tourists. What can | :28:13. | :28:14. | |
not get health tourists. What can not get health tourists. What can | :28:14. | :28:16. | |
not get health tourists. What can you do on health benefits? You say | :28:16. | :28:16. | |
you do on health benefits? You say you do on health benefits? You say | :28:17. | :28:17. | |
you do on health benefits? You say that you have to give what you have | :28:17. | :28:21. | |
that you have to give what you have that you have to give what you have | :28:21. | :28:23. | |
to give. There are other countries to give. There are other countries | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
to give. There are other countries with concerns about free movement so | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
with concerns about free movement so with concerns about free movement so | :28:28. | :28:29. | |
with concerns about free movement so we have an action plan and other | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
we have an action plan and other we have an action plan and other | :28:30. | :28:30. | |
countries who are concerned about countries who are concerned about | :28:30. | :28:31. | |
countries who are concerned about countries who are concerned about | :28:31. | :28:32. | |
that. When we have things to say we that. When we have things to say we | :28:32. | :28:33. | |
that. When we have things to say we will save them to Parliament first | :28:33. | :28:34. | |
will save them to Parliament first will save them to Parliament first | :28:34. | :28:34. | |
will save them to Parliament first and then I will be delighted to come | :28:34. | :28:35. | |
and then I will be delighted to come and then I will be delighted to come | :28:35. | :28:39. | |
and then I will be delighted to come on your program and say them to you. | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
on your program and say them to you. on your program and say them to you. | :28:40. | :28:41. | |
on your program and say them to you. That is most kind of you, but you | :28:41. | :28:43. | |
That is most kind of you, but you That is most kind of you, but you | :28:43. | :28:44. | |
That is most kind of you, but you won't be able to change the basics, | :28:44. | :28:45. | |
won't be able to change the basics, won't be able to change the basics, | :28:45. | :28:48. | |
won't be able to change the basics, the statute written into the EU? | :28:48. | :28:49. | |
the statute written into the EU? the statute written into the EU? | :28:50. | :28:50. | |
the statute written into the EU? are doing that work at the moment, | :28:50. | :28:52. | |
are doing that work at the moment, are doing that work at the moment, | :28:52. | :28:53. | |
looking at how we compare to looking at how we compare to | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
looking at how we compare to European partners and making sure we | :28:55. | :28:56. | |
European partners and making sure we European partners and making sure we | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
are tougher and more restrictive so are tougher and more restrictive so | :28:57. | :28:58. | |
are tougher and more restrictive so are tougher and more restrictive so | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
people come here to work and to people come here to work and to | :29:00. | :29:01. | |
people come here to work and to contribute. They don't come here to | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
contribute. They don't come here to contribute. They don't come here to | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
take. What is your feeling about take. What is your feeling about | :29:09. | :29:10. | |
take. What is your feeling about migrants coming from Romania and | :29:10. | :29:12. | |
migrants coming from Romania and migrants coming from Romania and | :29:12. | :29:18. | |
migrants coming from Romania and Bulgaria? Is it a concern? I don't | :29:18. | :29:19. | |
Bulgaria? Is it a concern? I don't Bulgaria? Is it a concern? I don't | :29:19. | :29:19. | |
think it matters where people are think it matters where people are | :29:20. | :29:21. | |
think it matters where people are think it matters where people are | :29:21. | :29:21. | |
coming from but it is a slippery coming from but it is a slippery | :29:21. | :29:22. | |
coming from but it is a slippery slope. The question is, are they | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
slope. The question is, are they slope. The question is, are they | :29:24. | :29:25. | |
slope. The question is, are they welcome, do they fit in? Do they | :29:25. | :29:26. | |
welcome, do they fit in? Do they have something to contribute, | :29:27. | :29:29. | |
have something to contribute, have something to contribute, | :29:29. | :29:29. | |
have something to contribute, whether it is the education and the | :29:29. | :29:30. | |
whether it is the education and the whether it is the education and the | :29:30. | :29:31. | |
whether it is the education and the workplace. I don't really care if a | :29:31. | :29:31. | |
workplace. I don't really care if a workplace. I don't really care if a | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
percentage comes from Bulgaria or percentage comes from Bulgaria or | :29:36. | :29:37. | |
percentage comes from Bulgaria or anywhere else. Thank you. We look | :29:37. | :29:38. | |
anywhere else. Thank you. We look anywhere else. Thank you. We look | :29:38. | :29:38. | |
anywhere else. Thank you. We look forward to you coming back when you | :29:38. | :29:39. | |
forward to you coming back when you forward to you coming back when you | :29:39. | :29:45. | |
have something to say about the benefits system. | :29:45. | :29:47. | |
benefits system. benefits system. | :29:47. | :29:48. | |
When you think of motorway service When you think of motorway service | :29:48. | :29:49. | |
When you think of motorway service stations, what you think of? Soggy | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
stations, what you think of? Soggy stations, what you think of? Soggy | :29:51. | :29:53. | |
chips, queues at the toilets, chips, queues at the toilets, | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
chips, queues at the toilets, constant" are we there yet?". Will | :29:58. | :30:00. | |
constant" are we there yet?". Will constant" are we there yet?". Will | :30:00. | :30:00. | |
it be a every second interchange it be a every second interchange | :30:00. | :30:02. | |
it be a every second interchange with the changes proposed to them. | :30:02. | :30:03. | |
with the changes proposed to them. with the changes proposed to them. | :30:03. | :30:03. | |
with the changes proposed to them. We took to the road to find out | :30:04. | :30:13. | |
:30:14. | :30:16. | ||
We are going to peek under the We are going to peek under the | :30:16. | :30:16. | |
We are going to peek under the bonnet of motorway service station | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
bonnet of motorway service station bonnet of motorway service station | :30:19. | :30:20. | |
regulation. They are obliged to be regulation. They are obliged to be | :30:20. | :30:21. | |
regulation. They are obliged to be regulation. They are obliged to be | :30:21. | :30:22. | |
open 24 hours a day, every single open 24 hours a day, every single | :30:22. | :30:22. | |
open 24 hours a day, every single day of the year, including | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
day of the year, including day of the year, including | :30:25. | :30:26. | |
Christmas. They have to offer two Christmas. They have to offer two | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
Christmas. They have to offer two hours of free parking. To be | :30:28. | :30:28. | |
hours of free parking. To be hours of free parking. To be | :30:28. | :30:30. | |
eligible for a road sign saying eligible for a road sign saying | :30:30. | :30:31. | |
eligible for a road sign saying eligible for a road sign saying | :30:31. | :30:32. | |
you've got a picnic area, you have you've got a picnic area, you have | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
you've got a picnic area, you have to have 10 tables seating six | :30:33. | :30:36. | |
to have 10 tables seating six to have 10 tables seating six | :30:36. | :30:37. | |
people each. The maximum size of people each. The maximum size of | :30:37. | :30:38. | |
people each. The maximum size of the retail area is 500 square | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
the retail area is 500 square the retail area is 500 square | :30:41. | :30:42. | |
the retail area is 500 square metres. If you have a bridge over | :30:42. | :30:42. | |
metres. If you have a bridge over metres. If you have a bridge over | :30:42. | :30:43. | |
metres. If you have a bridge over the motorway, you can't have a shop | :30:43. | :30:45. | |
the motorway, you can't have a shop the motorway, you can't have a shop | :30:45. | :30:45. | |
the motorway, you can't have a shop on it. And the toilets have to be | :30:45. | :30:48. | |
on it. And the toilets have to be on it. And the toilets have to be | :30:48. | :30:49. | |
free. David has quite literally free. David has quite literally | :30:49. | :30:50. | |
free. David has quite literally free. David has quite literally | :30:50. | :30:51. | |
written the book on the subject. He written the book on the subject. He | :30:51. | :30:52. | |
written the book on the subject. He written the book on the subject. He | :30:52. | :30:53. | |
says some of the rules date back to says some of the rules date back to | :30:53. | :30:54. | |
says some of the rules date back to the building of the very first | :30:54. | :30:57. | |
the building of the very first the building of the very first | :30:57. | :30:58. | |
service stations, which came in the service stations, which came in the | :30:58. | :31:00. | |
service stations, which came in the 1950s and Sixties. The regulations | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
1950s and Sixties. The regulations 1950s and Sixties. The regulations | :31:04. | :31:05. | |
for areas are for refreshing and for areas are for refreshing and | :31:05. | :31:06. | |
for areas are for refreshing and refuelling but not to become | :31:06. | :31:07. | |
refuelling but not to become refuelling but not to become | :31:07. | :31:09. | |
destinations in their own right. destinations in their own right. | :31:09. | :31:10. | |
destinations in their own right. destinations in their own right. | :31:10. | :31:11. | |
There would not be tailbacks on the There would not be tailbacks on the | :31:11. | :31:12. | |
There would not be tailbacks on the motorway for people queuing up to | :31:12. | :31:14. | |
motorway for people queuing up to motorway for people queuing up to | :31:14. | :31:15. | |
motorway for people queuing up to visit the services. Now a load of | :31:15. | :31:16. | |
visit the services. Now a load of regulations regarding building by | :31:16. | :31:17. | |
regulations regarding building by regulations regarding building by | :31:17. | :31:18. | |
regulations regarding building by the side of the motorway are under | :31:18. | :31:19. | |
the side of the motorway are under the side of the motorway are under | :31:19. | :31:20. | |
review as the government seeks to review as the government seeks to | :31:20. | :31:21. | |
review as the government seeks to turn the road network into an | :31:21. | :31:24. | |
turn the road network into an turn the road network into an | :31:24. | :31:25. | |
engine of economic growth. The engine of economic growth. The | :31:25. | :31:26. | |
engine of economic growth. The Department for Transport is looking | :31:26. | :31:27. | |
Department for Transport is looking Department for Transport is looking | :31:27. | :31:27. | |
Department for Transport is looking at ripping up the rules which say | :31:27. | :31:28. | |
at ripping up the rules which say at ripping up the rules which say | :31:28. | :31:30. | |
at ripping up the rules which say there has to be a minimum of 12 | :31:30. | :31:31. | |
there has to be a minimum of 12 there has to be a minimum of 12 | :31:31. | :31:33. | |
miles between each service station. miles between each service station. | :31:33. | :31:35. | |
miles between each service station. miles between each service station. | :31:35. | :31:36. | |
The idea being, more of them will The idea being, more of them will | :31:36. | :31:37. | |
arrive, bringing increased arrive, bringing increased | :31:37. | :31:39. | |
arrive, bringing increased competition and more choice. An | :31:39. | :31:41. | |
competition and more choice. An competition and more choice. An | :31:41. | :31:42. | |
competition and more choice. An competition and more choice. An | :31:42. | :31:43. | |
idea stuck in a bit of a tail back idea stuck in a bit of a tail back | :31:43. | :31:44. | |
idea stuck in a bit of a tail back because John Major first called for | :31:44. | :31:47. | |
because John Major first called for because John Major first called for | :31:47. | :31:49. | |
because John Major first called for it in 1992. Next services, 54 miles, | :31:49. | :31:50. | |
it in 1992. Next services, 54 miles, it in 1992. Next services, 54 miles, | :31:50. | :31:55. | |
when your children can't make 10. when your children can't make 10. | :31:55. | :31:56. | |
when your children can't make 10. when your children can't make 10. | :31:56. | :31:57. | |
They have got to go and so those They have got to go and so those | :31:57. | :31:59. | |
They have got to go and so those They have got to go and so those | :31:59. | :32:00. | |
rules have got to go. It's been rules have got to go. It's been | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
rules have got to go. It's been rules have got to go. It's been | :32:02. | :32:02. | |
applauded by the AA, who reckon it applauded by the AA, who reckon it | :32:02. | :32:03. | |
applauded by the AA, who reckon it may mean more petrol stations which | :32:03. | :32:04. | |
may mean more petrol stations which may mean more petrol stations which | :32:04. | :32:05. | |
may mean more petrol stations which could bring down the cost of fuel | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
could bring down the cost of fuel could bring down the cost of fuel | :32:07. | :32:08. | |
on the motorway. But local on the motorway. But local | :32:08. | :32:09. | |
on the motorway. But local authorities will still have the | :32:09. | :32:10. | |
authorities will still have the authorities will still have the | :32:10. | :32:12. | |
power to refuse planning permission. power to refuse planning permission. | :32:12. | :32:13. | |
power to refuse planning permission. Something the owners of this place | :32:13. | :32:14. | |
Something the owners of this place Something the owners of this place | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
Something the owners of this place know all about because it took 19 | :32:16. | :32:17. | |
know all about because it took 19 know all about because it took 19 | :32:17. | :32:18. | |
years and five public inquiries years and five public inquiries | :32:18. | :32:19. | |
years and five public inquiries before it opened for business. | :32:19. | :32:21. | |
before it opened for business. before it opened for business. | :32:21. | :32:24. | |
Don't worry, the toilets will still Don't worry, the toilets will still | :32:24. | :32:25. | |
Don't worry, the toilets will still be free. I'm hugely relieved about | :32:25. | :32:27. | |
be free. I'm hugely relieved about be free. I'm hugely relieved about | :32:27. | :32:27. | |
be free. I'm hugely relieved about that. And we're joined now by Chris | :32:27. | :32:29. | |
that. And we're joined now by Chris Goffey, a motoring journalist. | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
Goffey, a motoring journalist. Goffey, a motoring journalist. | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
Welcome. Do we need more service Welcome. Do we need more service | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
Welcome. Do we need more service stations? I think so. In France, | :32:36. | :32:37. | |
stations? I think so. In France, stations? I think so. In France, | :32:37. | :32:38. | |
while the major service stations while the major service stations | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
while the major service stations are well spaced, there are little | :32:40. | :32:40. | |
are well spaced, there are little are well spaced, there are little | :32:40. | :32:41. | |
are well spaced, there are little are well spaced, there are little | :32:41. | :32:42. | |
pots now when Ben and you can go to pots now when Ben and you can go to | :32:42. | :32:43. | |
pots now when Ben and you can go to pots now when Ben and you can go to | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
the loo and Parker and eat your the loo and Parker and eat your | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
the loo and Parker and eat your sandwich -- now and then. Those | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
sandwich -- now and then. Those sandwich -- now and then. Those | :32:50. | :32:50. | |
more regular stops are welcome and more regular stops are welcome and | :32:50. | :32:51. | |
more regular stops are welcome and more regular stops are welcome and | :32:51. | :32:52. | |
I would like to see more service I would like to see more service | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
I would like to see more service areas, that's for sure. John major | :32:55. | :32:57. | |
areas, that's for sure. John major areas, that's for sure. John major | :32:57. | :32:58. | |
highlight the problem in 1992. Why highlight the problem in 1992. Why | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
highlight the problem in 1992. Why highlight the problem in 1992. Why | :33:01. | :33:01. | |
has it been so slow? The iron grasp has it been so slow? The iron grasp | :33:01. | :33:03. | |
has it been so slow? The iron grasp of bureaucracy has been on the | :33:03. | :33:04. | |
of bureaucracy has been on the of bureaucracy has been on the | :33:04. | :33:06. | |
motorway service areas and, to be motorway service areas and, to be | :33:06. | :33:07. | |
motorway service areas and, to be motorway service areas and, to be | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
fair, they have done a good job in fair, they have done a good job in | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
fair, they have done a good job in some areas. In the USA, the | :33:12. | :33:13. | |
some areas. In the USA, the some areas. In the USA, the | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
advertising slogans on a huge masts, advertising slogans on a huge masts, | :33:15. | :33:16. | |
advertising slogans on a huge masts, 10 miles before each stop, are | :33:17. | :33:18. | |
10 miles before each stop, are 10 miles before each stop, are | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
absolutely horrendous now. We have absolutely horrendous now. We have | :33:20. | :33:21. | |
absolutely horrendous now. We have absolutely horrendous now. We have | :33:21. | :33:22. | |
avoided all that, and I hope we avoided all that, and I hope we | :33:22. | :33:24. | |
avoided all that, and I hope we will continue to avoid it, however | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
will continue to avoid it, however more stops, obviously more | :33:26. | :33:27. | |
more stops, obviously more more stops, obviously more | :33:27. | :33:28. | |
convenience for the motorist and convenience for the motorist and | :33:28. | :33:30. | |
convenience for the motorist and convenience for the motorist and | :33:30. | :33:30. | |
their families, and I think that is their families, and I think that is | :33:30. | :33:31. | |
their families, and I think that is their families, and I think that is | :33:31. | :33:33. | |
a ballad point about the high cost a ballad point about the high cost | :33:33. | :33:35. | |
a ballad point about the high cost a ballad point about the high cost | :33:35. | :33:36. | |
of fuel. -- a valid point. We are of fuel. -- a valid point. We are | :33:36. | :33:37. | |
of fuel. -- a valid point. We are going to welcome the viewers in | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
going to welcome the viewers in going to welcome the viewers in | :33:39. | :33:40. | |
Scotland to have been watching Scotland to have been watching | :33:40. | :33:50. | |
First Minister's Questions. That First Minister's Questions. That | :33:50. | :33:51. | |
First Minister's Questions. That means, presumably, there will be | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
means, presumably, there will be means, presumably, there will be | :33:53. | :33:53. | |
means, presumably, there will be more than the four providers at the | :33:53. | :33:54. | |
more than the four providers at the more than the four providers at the | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
moment, more people being courage moment, more people being courage | :33:55. | :33:56. | |
moment, more people being courage to enter the market. There does | :33:56. | :33:57. | |
to enter the market. There does to enter the market. There does | :33:58. | :33:59. | |
to enter the market. There does seem to be a stranglehold by the | :33:59. | :34:01. | |
seem to be a stranglehold by the seem to be a stranglehold by the | :34:01. | :34:02. | |
main providers, but if you notice main providers, but if you notice | :34:02. | :34:03. | |
main providers, but if you notice main providers, but if you notice | :34:03. | :34:04. | |
over the last 10 years, Marks and over the last 10 years, Marks and | :34:04. | :34:05. | |
over the last 10 years, Marks and over the last 10 years, Marks and | :34:05. | :34:06. | |
Spencer Shops has come in, and that Spencer Shops has come in, and that | :34:06. | :34:09. | |
Spencer Shops has come in, and that has provided much better quality, | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
has provided much better quality, has provided much better quality, | :34:10. | :34:11. | |
has provided much better quality, if you like of the food on offer | :34:11. | :34:12. | |
if you like of the food on offer if you like of the food on offer | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
if you like of the food on offer you can take away and eat yourself. | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
you can take away and eat yourself. The government issued a | :34:15. | :34:17. | |
The government issued a The government issued a | :34:17. | :34:17. | |
consultation don't forget back in consultation don't forget back in | :34:17. | :34:19. | |
consultation don't forget back in 20th June 12, on lifting the | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
20th June 12, on lifting the 20th June 12, on lifting the | :34:24. | :34:25. | |
regulations on alcohol. If you regulations on alcohol. If you | :34:25. | :34:26. | |
regulations on alcohol. If you trawl through that a very long | :34:26. | :34:27. | |
trawl through that a very long trawl through that a very long | :34:27. | :34:30. | |
document, you will find that they document, you will find that they | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
document, you will find that they project an increase of sales about | :34:32. | :34:35. | |
project an increase of sales about project an increase of sales about | :34:35. | :34:36. | |
�21 million. That wouldn't be a �21 million. That wouldn't be a | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
�21 million. That wouldn't be a very wise idea in service stations. | :34:39. | :34:40. | |
very wise idea in service stations. very wise idea in service stations. | :34:40. | :34:40. | |
The safety people would take great The safety people would take great | :34:41. | :34:41. | |
The safety people would take great The safety people would take great | :34:41. | :34:43. | |
exception to it. To be fair, they exception to it. To be fair, they | :34:43. | :34:44. | |
exception to it. To be fair, they say they would relax the | :34:44. | :34:47. | |
say they would relax the say they would relax the | :34:47. | :34:48. | |
regulations on drinks in motorway regulations on drinks in motorway | :34:48. | :34:49. | |
regulations on drinks in motorway regulations on drinks in motorway | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
hotels and motels. And in the shops. hotels and motels. And in the shops. | :34:53. | :34:54. | |
hotels and motels. And in the shops. But not necessarily serving alcohol | :34:55. | :34:55. | |
But not necessarily serving alcohol But not necessarily serving alcohol | :34:55. | :34:57. | |
over the counter to every football over the counter to every football | :34:57. | :34:57. | |
over the counter to every football over the counter to every football | :34:57. | :34:59. | |
coach that wants to pull into the coach that wants to pull into the | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
motorway services. They actually motorway services. They actually | :35:01. | :35:02. | |
motorway services. They actually serve alcohol in French service | :35:02. | :35:03. | |
serve alcohol in French service serve alcohol in French service | :35:03. | :35:06. | |
serve alcohol in French service areas but you have to have hot food, | :35:06. | :35:07. | |
areas but you have to have hot food, areas but you have to have hot food, | :35:07. | :35:08. | |
areas but you have to have hot food, and they sell it in one small | :35:08. | :35:09. | |
and they sell it in one small and they sell it in one small | :35:09. | :35:09. | |
and they sell it in one small bottle and won't sell more than one | :35:09. | :35:10. | |
bottle and won't sell more than one bottle and won't sell more than one | :35:10. | :35:12. | |
bottle and won't sell more than one and most people have a drink. | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
and most people have a drink. and most people have a drink. | :35:14. | :35:15. | |
forget, the French rules on forget, the French rules on | :35:15. | :35:16. | |
forget, the French rules on drinking and driving are more | :35:16. | :35:18. | |
drinking and driving are more drinking and driving are more | :35:18. | :35:18. | |
stringent than ours. That doesn't stringent than ours. That doesn't | :35:18. | :35:22. | |
stringent than ours. That doesn't seem to matter. What about the | :35:22. | :35:24. | |
seem to matter. What about the seem to matter. What about the | :35:24. | :35:25. | |
worry you might suddenly get great worry you might suddenly get great | :35:25. | :35:27. | |
worry you might suddenly get great shopping malls springing up at the | :35:27. | :35:28. | |
shopping malls springing up at the shopping malls springing up at the | :35:28. | :35:29. | |
side of motorways and you would side of motorways and you would | :35:29. | :35:30. | |
side of motorways and you would side of motorways and you would | :35:30. | :35:31. | |
need better access to get to them need better access to get to them | :35:31. | :35:32. | |
need better access to get to them need better access to get to them | :35:32. | :35:34. | |
if there were lots more of them. A if there were lots more of them. A | :35:34. | :35:35. | |
if there were lots more of them. A if there were lots more of them. A | :35:35. | :35:35. | |
bit more like Euro Disney for that bit more like Euro Disney for that | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
bit more like Euro Disney for that bit more like Euro Disney for that | :35:38. | :35:39. | |
we don't wonder, do we? Actually, I we don't wonder, do we? Actually, I | :35:40. | :35:42. | |
we don't wonder, do we? Actually, I do. Do you? Justified.I'm in | :35:42. | :35:43. | |
do. Do you? Justified.I'm in do. Do you? Justified.I'm in | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
favour of expansion of choice. The favour of expansion of choice. The | :35:45. | :35:46. | |
favour of expansion of choice. The gaps that in the service stations | :35:46. | :35:48. | |
gaps that in the service stations gaps that in the service stations | :35:48. | :35:49. | |
gaps that in the service stations are too wide. I agree about America | :35:49. | :35:50. | |
are too wide. I agree about America are too wide. I agree about America | :35:50. | :35:51. | |
and France, where there is more and France, where there is more | :35:51. | :35:52. | |
and France, where there is more and France, where there is more | :35:52. | :35:53. | |
rest areas. They don't have to be rest areas. They don't have to be | :35:53. | :35:54. | |
rest areas. They don't have to be great big buildings but I think | :35:54. | :35:55. | |
great big buildings but I think great big buildings but I think | :35:55. | :35:56. | |
great big buildings but I think what's wrong with it? It would be | :35:56. | :35:58. | |
what's wrong with it? It would be what's wrong with it? It would be | :35:58. | :35:59. | |
quite fun driving to Cornwall on quite fun driving to Cornwall on | :35:59. | :36:00. | |
quite fun driving to Cornwall on holiday to stop at your service | :36:00. | :36:01. | |
holiday to stop at your service holiday to stop at your service | :36:01. | :36:01. | |
holiday to stop at your service station and to all of your shopping | :36:01. | :36:03. | |
station and to all of your shopping station and to all of your shopping | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
there. You have persuaded me for there. You have persuaded me for | :36:05. | :36:05. | |
there. You have persuaded me for some were directed something more | :36:05. | :36:06. | |
some were directed something more some were directed something more | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
entertaining other side of the entertaining other side of the | :36:08. | :36:08. | |
entertaining other side of the roadway? The absolutely but let's | :36:09. | :36:11. | |
roadway? The absolutely but let's roadway? The absolutely but let's | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
not go for too much advertising. not go for too much advertising. | :36:13. | :36:14. | |
not go for too much advertising. Advertising other side of the | :36:14. | :36:15. | |
Advertising other side of the motorway is very contentious | :36:15. | :36:18. | |
motorway is very contentious because you're distracting drivers | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
because you're distracting drivers because you're distracting drivers | :36:20. | :36:20. | |
because you're distracting drivers I lines and attention for a brief | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
I lines and attention for a brief I lines and attention for a brief | :36:23. | :36:24. | |
couple of seconds. Something Major couple of seconds. Something Major | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
couple of seconds. Something Major could happen. As long as the | :36:27. | :36:29. | |
could happen. As long as the could happen. As long as the | :36:29. | :36:30. | |
control the advertising before them control the advertising before them | :36:30. | :36:31. | |
control the advertising before them control the advertising before them | :36:31. | :36:32. | |
and after them, yes, I would like and after them, yes, I would like | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
and after them, yes, I would like and after them, yes, I would like | :36:34. | :36:36. | |
to see far more. His access a to see far more. His access a | :36:36. | :36:37. | |
to see far more. His access a potential problem, even at sites | :36:37. | :36:39. | |
potential problem, even at sites potential problem, even at sites | :36:39. | :36:40. | |
identified, slip roads on and off? identified, slip roads on and off? | :36:40. | :36:42. | |
identified, slip roads on and off? As long as they make adequate | :36:42. | :36:43. | |
As long as they make adequate As long as they make adequate | :36:43. | :36:45. | |
As long as they make adequate slippers on and off, and also that | :36:45. | :36:48. | |
slippers on and off, and also that slippers on and off, and also that | :36:48. | :36:48. | |
the new service Feria doesn't the new service Feria doesn't | :36:49. | :36:49. | |
the new service Feria doesn't the new service Feria doesn't | :36:49. | :36:50. | |
interact with a rope -- local road interact with a rope -- local road | :36:50. | :36:57. | |
interact with a rope -- local road network -- slip roads don't | :36:57. | :36:57. | |
network -- slip roads don't network -- slip roads don't | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
interfere with local road networks. interfere with local road networks. | :36:59. | :37:00. | |
interfere with local road networks. interfere with local road networks. | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
That would be a problem. As long as That would be a problem. As long as | :37:01. | :37:03. | |
That would be a problem. As long as That would be a problem. As long as | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
they don't do that. What annoys me they don't do that. What annoys me | :37:05. | :37:05. | |
they don't do that. What annoys me is this two our free parking | :37:05. | :37:07. | |
is this two our free parking is this two our free parking | :37:07. | :37:07. | |
is this two our free parking because, if you are very tired at | :37:07. | :37:09. | |
because, if you are very tired at because, if you are very tired at | :37:09. | :37:10. | |
night, heading up north or night, heading up north or | :37:10. | :37:11. | |
night, heading up north or something, and you feel sleepy, and | :37:11. | :37:14. | |
something, and you feel sleepy, and something, and you feel sleepy, and | :37:14. | :37:15. | |
you stop, and sleek, somebody you stop, and sleek, somebody | :37:15. | :37:17. | |
you stop, and sleek, somebody you stop, and sleek, somebody | :37:17. | :37:18. | |
knocks on your window and says, you knocks on your window and says, you | :37:18. | :37:19. | |
knocks on your window and says, you can't stay here for longer than | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
can't stay here for longer than can't stay here for longer than | :37:21. | :37:22. | |
can't stay here for longer than this time period. They put you back | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
this time period. They put you back this time period. They put you back | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
onto the motorway? Yes, which is onto the motorway? Yes, which is | :37:27. | :37:28. | |
onto the motorway? Yes, which is extremely dangerous. I would like | :37:28. | :37:29. | |
extremely dangerous. I would like extremely dangerous. I would like | :37:29. | :37:30. | |
extremely dangerous. I would like to see a free sleeping, if you like | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
to see a free sleeping, if you like to see a free sleeping, if you like | :37:32. | :37:33. | |
between midnight and 6am. At the between midnight and 6am. At the | :37:33. | :37:34. | |
between midnight and 6am. At the between midnight and 6am. At the | :37:34. | :37:35. | |
end of the day, what might get in end of the day, what might get in | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
end of the day, what might get in end of the day, what might get in | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
the way of your new service station, the way of your new service station, | :37:42. | :37:43. | |
the way of your new service station, the local authority will refuse it. | :37:43. | :37:44. | |
the local authority will refuse it. the local authority will refuse it. | :37:44. | :37:45. | |
the local authority will refuse it. Yes, it would have to go through | :37:45. | :37:46. | |
Yes, it would have to go through Yes, it would have to go through | :37:46. | :37:48. | |
planning but, in principle, it's a planning but, in principle, it's a | :37:48. | :37:49. | |
planning but, in principle, it's a terrific idea. If anything could | :37:49. | :37:50. | |
terrific idea. If anything could terrific idea. If anything could | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
improve the quality of service improve the quality of service | :37:51. | :37:53. | |
improve the quality of service station food, that should be | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
station food, that should be station food, that should be | :37:56. | :37:57. | |
cheered loudly. Many TV chefs have cheered loudly. Many TV chefs have | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
cheered loudly. Many TV chefs have been shouting about it for years. | :37:59. | :38:01. | |
been shouting about it for years. been shouting about it for years. | :38:01. | :38:01. | |
Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson | :38:01. | :38:03. | |
Jamie Oliver and Nigella Lawson will be all over motorway service | :38:03. | :38:05. | |
will be all over motorway service will be all over motorway service | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
stations. Thank you very much. stations. Thank you very much. | :38:09. | :38:09. | |
Yesterday, Environment Secretary Yesterday, Environment Secretary | :38:10. | :38:10. | |
Yesterday, Environment Secretary Owen Paterson turned his attention | :38:10. | :38:11. | |
Owen Paterson turned his attention Owen Paterson turned his attention | :38:11. | :38:12. | |
from horses to culling badgers. from horses to culling badgers. | :38:12. | :38:13. | |
from horses to culling badgers. from horses to culling badgers. | :38:13. | :38:14. | |
from horses to culling badgers. This is what he had to say at the | :38:14. | :38:15. | |
This is what he had to say at the National Farmers Union conference | :38:15. | :38:16. | |
National Farmers Union conference National Farmers Union conference | :38:16. | :38:16. | |
in Birmingham. Research in this in Birmingham. Research in this | :38:16. | :38:17. | |
in Birmingham. Research in this in Birmingham. Research in this | :38:17. | :38:19. | |
country over the past 15 years has country over the past 15 years has | :38:19. | :38:20. | |
country over the past 15 years has clearly demonstrated not only that | :38:20. | :38:21. | |
clearly demonstrated not only that clearly demonstrated not only that | :38:22. | :38:23. | |
cattle and badgers transmit the cattle and badgers transmit the | :38:23. | :38:25. | |
cattle and badgers transmit the disease to each other, but the | :38:25. | :38:26. | |
disease to each other, but the disease to each other, but the | :38:26. | :38:26. | |
disease to each other, but the cunning of badgers can lead to a | :38:26. | :38:27. | |
cunning of badgers can lead to a cunning of badgers can lead to a | :38:27. | :38:29. | |
reduction of the disease in cattle reduction of the disease in cattle | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
reduction of the disease in cattle reduction of the disease in cattle | :38:31. | :38:32. | |
if carried out over a large enough if carried out over a large enough | :38:32. | :38:32. | |
if carried out over a large enough area for a sufficient length of | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
area for a sufficient length of area for a sufficient length of | :38:36. | :38:36. | |
area for a sufficient length of time. We must also learn from the | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
time. We must also learn from the time. We must also learn from the | :38:39. | :38:40. | |
experience of other countries. TB experience of other countries. TB | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
experience of other countries. TB in cattle cannot be controlled | :38:42. | :38:44. | |
in cattle cannot be controlled in cattle cannot be controlled | :38:44. | :38:44. | |
in cattle cannot be controlled without also bearing down on it in | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
without also bearing down on it in the surrounding wildlife population. | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
the surrounding wildlife population. the surrounding wildlife population. | :38:48. | :38:49. | |
the surrounding wildlife population. In the New Zealand, the number of | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
In the New Zealand, the number of In the New Zealand, the number of | :38:53. | :38:54. | |
infected cattle has been reduced infected cattle has been reduced | :38:54. | :38:55. | |
infected cattle has been reduced infected cattle has been reduced | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
from 1,700 in the mid- 1990s to from 1,700 in the mid- 1990s to | :38:58. | :38:59. | |
from 1,700 in the mid- 1990s to from 1,700 in the mid- 1990s to | :39:00. | :39:01. | |
fewer than 120 in 2011. This is the fewer than 120 in 2011. This is the | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
fewer than 120 in 2011. This is the result of rigorous buyers secured, | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
result of rigorous buyers secured, strict cattle controls and | :39:06. | :39:08. | |
strict cattle controls and proactive wildlife management. A | :39:08. | :39:09. | |
proactive wildlife management. A similar approach has been | :39:09. | :39:10. | |
similar approach has been approached in Ireland, Australia | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
approached in Ireland, Australia approached in Ireland, Australia | :39:14. | :39:16. | |
approached in Ireland, Australia and the USA. This is why I'm | :39:16. | :39:17. | |
and the USA. This is why I'm and the USA. This is why I'm | :39:17. | :39:18. | |
committed to ensure the badger committed to ensure the badger | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
committed to ensure the badger culls go-ahead in Somerset and | :39:21. | :39:21. | |
culls go-ahead in Somerset and culls go-ahead in Somerset and | :39:21. | :39:28. | |
Gloucestershire at go ahead this So are plans to begin a pilot for | :39:28. | :39:29. | |
So are plans to begin a pilot for culling badgers necessary? Susana | :39:29. | :39:30. | |
culling badgers necessary? Susana culling badgers necessary? Susana | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
Mendonsa is in central lobby with Mendonsa is in central lobby with | :39:34. | :39:35. | |
Mendonsa is in central lobby with Mendonsa is in central lobby with | :39:35. | :39:36. | |
Mendonsa is in central lobby with two MPs. This seems to be a lot of | :39:36. | :39:38. | |
two MPs. This seems to be a lot of two MPs. This seems to be a lot of | :39:38. | :39:39. | |
confusion over whether or not this confusion over whether or not this | :39:39. | :39:40. | |
confusion over whether or not this pilot is necessary. The government | :39:40. | :39:42. | |
pilot is necessary. The government pilot is necessary. The government | :39:42. | :39:43. | |
is talking about the need to is talking about the need to | :39:43. | :39:45. | |
is talking about the need to introduce this cull to reduce the | :39:45. | :39:47. | |
introduce this cull to reduce the introduce this cull to reduce the | :39:47. | :39:48. | |
spread of bovine TB. Owen Paterson spread of bovine TB. Owen Paterson | :39:48. | :39:49. | |
spread of bovine TB. Owen Paterson spread of bovine TB. Owen Paterson | :39:49. | :39:50. | |
talk about the science but there is talk about the science but there is | :39:50. | :39:51. | |
talk about the science but there is uncertainty about whether it shows | :39:51. | :39:52. | |
uncertainty about whether it shows uncertainty about whether it shows | :39:52. | :39:53. | |
what they wanted to show and what they wanted to show and | :39:53. | :39:54. | |
what they wanted to show and certainly some people think there | :39:54. | :39:55. | |
certainly some people think there certainly some people think there | :39:55. | :39:56. | |
certainly some people think there might even be an increase in the | :39:56. | :39:58. | |
might even be an increase in the might even be an increase in the | :39:58. | :39:58. | |
might even be an increase in the spread of bovine TB and are calling | :39:58. | :40:01. | |
spread of bovine TB and are calling spread of bovine TB and are calling | :40:01. | :40:02. | |
for vaccinations. A couple of MPs for vaccinations. A couple of MPs | :40:02. | :40:06. | |
for vaccinations. A couple of MPs are interested in this. Simon Hart | :40:06. | :40:11. | |
are interested in this. Simon Hart are interested in this. Simon Hart | :40:11. | :40:12. | |
and Caroline Lucas. Simon, Owen and Caroline Lucas. Simon, Owen | :40:12. | :40:13. | |
and Caroline Lucas. Simon, Owen Paterson says this is needed but | :40:13. | :40:14. | |
Paterson says this is needed but Paterson says this is needed but | :40:14. | :40:15. | |
what is the evidence because we what is the evidence because we | :40:15. | :40:16. | |
what is the evidence because we what is the evidence because we | :40:17. | :40:18. | |
know bovine TB can go from cow to know bovine TB can go from cow to | :40:18. | :40:19. | |
know bovine TB can go from cow to know bovine TB can go from cow to | :40:19. | :40:20. | |
cow? There's a lot of evidence. I cow? There's a lot of evidence. I | :40:20. | :40:21. | |
cow? There's a lot of evidence. I don't think any politician would | :40:21. | :40:22. | |
don't think any politician would don't think any politician would | :40:22. | :40:23. | |
don't think any politician would want to do this lightly. Over the | :40:23. | :40:27. | |
want to do this lightly. Over the want to do this lightly. Over the | :40:27. | :40:28. | |
want to do this lightly. Over the years, one held the farm animal has | :40:28. | :40:29. | |
years, one held the farm animal has years, one held the farm animal has | :40:29. | :40:30. | |
been killed every 15 minutes, lots been killed every 15 minutes, lots | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
been killed every 15 minutes, lots of foreign evidence suggests it's a | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
of foreign evidence suggests it's a of foreign evidence suggests it's a | :40:37. | :40:38. | |
pilot cull, but will prove once- pilot cull, but will prove once- | :40:38. | :40:40. | |
pilot cull, but will prove once- and-for-all, whether a wider cull | :40:40. | :40:41. | |
and-for-all, whether a wider cull and-for-all, whether a wider cull | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
is required to cure this dreadful is required to cure this dreadful | :40:43. | :40:45. | |
is required to cure this dreadful is required to cure this dreadful | :40:45. | :40:45. | |
disease. He tabled a motion to stop disease. He tabled a motion to stop | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
disease. He tabled a motion to stop the cull in the autumn. People | :40:48. | :40:49. | |
the cull in the autumn. People the cull in the autumn. People | :40:49. | :40:50. | |
the cull in the autumn. People would say this is a serious problem | :40:50. | :40:51. | |
would say this is a serious problem would say this is a serious problem | :40:51. | :40:53. | |
would say this is a serious problem which costs farmers a lot of money, | :40:53. | :40:54. | |
which costs farmers a lot of money, which costs farmers a lot of money, | :40:54. | :40:55. | |
which costs farmers a lot of money, �500 million in the last 10 years, | :40:55. | :40:56. | |
�500 million in the last 10 years, �500 million in the last 10 years, | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
social and the government do social and the government do | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
social and the government do something about it? Yes, but the | :41:00. | :41:00. | |
something about it? Yes, but the something about it? Yes, but the | :41:00. | :41:01. | |
issue is precisely because it's issue is precisely because it's | :41:01. | :41:02. | |
issue is precisely because it's issue is precisely because it's | :41:02. | :41:05. | |
important they have to do the right important they have to do the right | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
important they have to do the right thing. The point is, the majority | :41:07. | :41:08. | |
thing. The point is, the majority thing. The point is, the majority | :41:08. | :41:09. | |
thing. The point is, the majority of people who voted against it, we | :41:09. | :41:11. | |
of people who voted against it, we of people who voted against it, we | :41:11. | :41:12. | |
would like to see an alternative would like to see an alternative | :41:12. | :41:14. | |
would like to see an alternative based on vaccination because we | :41:14. | :41:15. | |
based on vaccination because we based on vaccination because we | :41:15. | :41:17. | |
believe the vast majority of believe the vast majority of | :41:17. | :41:18. | |
scientific evidence demonstrates a scientific evidence demonstrates a | :41:18. | :41:19. | |
scientific evidence demonstrates a cull is not effective. The biggest | :41:19. | :41:20. | |
cull is not effective. The biggest cull is not effective. The biggest | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
cull is not effective. The biggest pilot of that kind of approach, it | :41:23. | :41:24. | |
pilot of that kind of approach, it pilot of that kind of approach, it | :41:24. | :41:25. | |
took 10 years, cost �50 million, took 10 years, cost �50 million, | :41:26. | :41:26. | |
took 10 years, cost �50 million, took 10 years, cost �50 million, | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
and it showed the cull was not an and it showed the cull was not an | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
effective way forward. Because effective way forward. Because | :41:30. | :41:31. | |
effective way forward. Because effective way forward. Because | :41:31. | :41:31. | |
science is not behind this, we want science is not behind this, we want | :41:31. | :41:33. | |
science is not behind this, we want to do something like the initiative | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
to do something like the initiative to do something like the initiative | :41:36. | :41:37. | |
backed by the RSPCA, badger backed by the RSPCA, badger | :41:37. | :41:41. | |
backed by the RSPCA, badger backed by the RSPCA, badger | :41:41. | :41:41. | |
vaccination. It is ready to go. It vaccination. It is ready to go. It | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
vaccination. It is ready to go. It vaccination. It is ready to go. It | :41:43. | :41:43. | |
could be as effective as the cull could be as effective as the cull | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
could be as effective as the cull could be as effective as the cull | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
and cost lower. Why not try this? and cost lower. Why not try this? | :41:47. | :41:51. | |
and cost lower. Why not try this? We would love to do vaccination. | :41:51. | :41:52. | |
We would love to do vaccination. We would love to do vaccination. | :41:52. | :41:53. | |
The European Parliament only this The European Parliament only this | :41:53. | :41:55. | |
The European Parliament only this The European Parliament only this | :41:55. | :41:57. | |
week has said it will be 10 years... week has said it will be 10 years... | :41:57. | :41:59. | |
week has said it will be 10 years... Simon, there's a difference between | :41:59. | :42:00. | |
Simon, there's a difference between Simon, there's a difference between | :42:00. | :42:04. | |
a couple vaccination and Bagehot a couple vaccination and Bagehot | :42:04. | :42:05. | |
vaccination. -- cattle vaccination vaccination. -- cattle vaccination | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
and Badger vaccination. Absolutely. and Badger vaccination. Absolutely. | :42:11. | :42:12. | |
Badger vaccination is perfectly Badger vaccination is perfectly | :42:12. | :42:15. | |
Badger vaccination is perfectly legal to do. More and more | :42:15. | :42:16. | |
legal to do. More and more legal to do. More and more | :42:16. | :42:17. | |
veterinarians are trained to do it. veterinarians are trained to do it. | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
veterinarians are trained to do it. veterinarians are trained to do it. | :42:19. | :42:20. | |
It will be at least as effective as It will be at least as effective as | :42:20. | :42:22. | |
It will be at least as effective as It will be at least as effective as | :42:22. | :42:23. | |
the cull at no greater cost. What the cull at no greater cost. What | :42:23. | :42:24. | |
the cull at no greater cost. What the cull at no greater cost. What | :42:24. | :42:25. | |
we want to see is a combination of we want to see is a combination of | :42:25. | :42:27. | |
these things, better husbandry, these things, better husbandry, | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
better transport, vaccinations. We better transport, vaccinations. We | :42:30. | :42:31. | |
better transport, vaccinations. We agree with that but there is | :42:32. | :42:34. | |
agree with that but there is agree with that but there is | :42:34. | :42:35. | |
evidence across the world. The only evidence across the world. The only | :42:35. | :42:36. | |
evidence across the world. The only evidence across the world. The only | :42:36. | :42:36. | |
places we have been able to bear places we have been able to bear | :42:36. | :42:37. | |
places we have been able to bear places we have been able to bear | :42:37. | :42:38. | |
down on this disease is where there down on this disease is where there | :42:38. | :42:40. | |
down on this disease is where there has been a concentration on animal | :42:40. | :42:41. | |
has been a concentration on animal has been a concentration on animal | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
control. It simply not true. There control. It simply not true. There | :42:45. | :42:46. | |
control. It simply not true. There control. It simply not true. There | :42:46. | :42:49. | |
is a massive cost associated with a is a massive cost associated with a | :42:49. | :42:49. | |
is a massive cost associated with a cull. The badger vaccination would | :42:50. | :42:51. | |
cull. The badger vaccination would cull. The badger vaccination would | :42:51. | :42:53. | |
not cost anything more than the not cost anything more than the | :42:53. | :42:54. | |
not cost anything more than the cull. So much scientific evidence | :42:54. | :42:54. | |
cull. So much scientific evidence cull. So much scientific evidence | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
cull. So much scientific evidence say it's not going to be effective. | :42:57. | :42:58. | |
say it's not going to be effective. say it's not going to be effective. | :42:58. | :42:59. | |
say it's not going to be effective. Sadly, sadly we have run out of | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
Sadly, sadly we have run out of Sadly, sadly we have run out of | :43:01. | :43:04. | |
time. The cull was delayed last time. The cull was delayed last | :43:04. | :43:05. | |
time. The cull was delayed last time. The cull was delayed last | :43:05. | :43:05. | |
year. As you can see, clearly still year. As you can see, clearly still | :43:06. | :43:07. | |
year. As you can see, clearly still year. As you can see, clearly still | :43:07. | :43:07. | |
a lot of debate in here about a lot of debate in here about | :43:07. | :43:08. | |
a lot of debate in here about a lot of debate in here about | :43:08. | :43:10. | |
whether or not we should go ahead with it. | :43:10. | :43:12. | |
with it. with it. | :43:12. | :43:13. | |
with it. Thank you. It is the world's most | :43:13. | :43:13. | |
Thank you. It is the world's most diverse international organisation | :43:13. | :43:14. | |
diverse international organisation diverse international organisation | :43:14. | :43:15. | |
diverse international organisation after the UN with a membership of | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
after the UN with a membership of after the UN with a membership of | :43:17. | :43:18. | |
54 countries. It covers a quarter 54 countries. It covers a quarter | :43:18. | :43:18. | |
54 countries. It covers a quarter of the world's population, from | :43:18. | :43:19. | |
of the world's population, from of the world's population, from | :43:19. | :43:20. | |
India's one billion citizens to India's one billion citizens to | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
India's one billion citizens to India's one billion citizens to | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
tiny Nauru's 14,000. So what is the tiny Nauru's 14,000. So what is the | :43:28. | :43:29. | |
tiny Nauru's 14,000. So what is the Commonwealth? Well, as the first | :43:29. | :43:30. | |
Commonwealth? Well, as the first Secretary General of the | :43:30. | :43:31. | |
Secretary General of the Secretary General of the | :43:31. | :43:32. | |
organisation once said, it is organisation once said, it is | :43:32. | :43:33. | |
organisation once said, it is organisation once said, it is | :43:33. | :43:34. | |
easier to explain what it is not. easier to explain what it is not. | :43:34. | :43:35. | |
easier to explain what it is not. So here a few common misconceptions. | :43:35. | :43:36. | |
So here a few common misconceptions. So here a few common misconceptions. | :43:36. | :43:37. | |
It is not the British Commonwealth. It is not the British Commonwealth. | :43:37. | :43:38. | |
It is not the British Commonwealth. The word British hasn't been used | :43:38. | :43:42. | |
The word British hasn't been used The word British hasn't been used | :43:42. | :43:42. | |
The word British hasn't been used since 1949. It is not just the | :43:43. | :43:44. | |
since 1949. It is not just the since 1949. It is not just the | :43:44. | :43:45. | |
former territories of the British former territories of the British | :43:45. | :43:46. | |
Empire. Former Portuguese territory Empire. Former Portuguese territory | :43:46. | :43:47. | |
Empire. Former Portuguese territory Mozambique joined in 1995 and the | :43:47. | :43:48. | |
Mozambique joined in 1995 and the Mozambique joined in 1995 and the | :43:48. | :43:53. | |
ex-Belgian Colony of Rwanda in 2009. ex-Belgian Colony of Rwanda in 2009. | :43:53. | :43:54. | |
ex-Belgian Colony of Rwanda in 2009. ex-Belgian Colony of Rwanda in 2009. | :43:54. | :43:55. | |
The Queen is the Head of the The Queen is the Head of the | :43:55. | :43:56. | |
The Queen is the Head of the Commonwealth, even though most of | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
Commonwealth, even though most of Commonwealth, even though most of | :43:58. | :43:58. | |
the members are republics. And the members are republics. And | :43:58. | :43:59. | |
the members are republics. And there are five other monarchs in | :43:59. | :44:04. | |
there are five other monarchs in there are five other monarchs in | :44:04. | :44:05. | |
the organisation. But, unlike the the organisation. But, unlike the | :44:05. | :44:05. | |
the organisation. But, unlike the British monarchy, the title is not | :44:06. | :44:07. | |
British monarchy, the title is not British monarchy, the title is not | :44:07. | :44:07. | |
hereidtary, so there is no hereidtary, so there is no | :44:07. | :44:08. | |
hereidtary, so there is no guarantee that the Prince of Wales | :44:08. | :44:09. | |
guarantee that the Prince of Wales guarantee that the Prince of Wales | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
would be the organisation's next would be the organisation's next | :44:12. | :44:13. | |
would be the organisation's next would be the organisation's next | :44:13. | :44:13. | |
head. I'm now joined by Sir Don head. I'm now joined by Sir Don | :44:13. | :44:14. | |
head. I'm now joined by Sir Don McKinnon who, as Secretary General | :44:14. | :44:15. | |
McKinnon who, as Secretary General McKinnon who, as Secretary General | :44:15. | :44:16. | |
from 2000 to 2008, was responsible from 2000 to 2008, was responsible | :44:16. | :44:17. | |
from 2000 to 2008, was responsible for running the organisation. He | :44:17. | :44:18. | |
for running the organisation. He for running the organisation. He | :44:18. | :44:19. | |
for running the organisation. He has just published a book about his | :44:19. | :44:24. | |
has just published a book about his has just published a book about his | :44:24. | :44:24. | |
experiences. I suppose the first experiences. I suppose the first | :44:24. | :44:25. | |
experiences. I suppose the first question is, how would you describe | :44:26. | :44:28. | |
question is, how would you describe question is, how would you describe | :44:28. | :44:28. | |
the Commonwealth? It depends where the Commonwealth? It depends where | :44:28. | :44:31. | |
the Commonwealth? It depends where the Commonwealth? It depends where | :44:31. | :44:32. | |
you are standing. If you are in you are standing. If you are in | :44:32. | :44:32. | |
you are standing. If you are in some well, it's different to | :44:33. | :44:34. | |
some well, it's different to some well, it's different to | :44:35. | :44:36. | |
Trinidad, India is different to Trinidad, India is different to | :44:36. | :44:37. | |
Trinidad, India is different to Zambia. That part of the issue. | :44:37. | :44:39. | |
Zambia. That part of the issue. Everybody sees it differently. | :44:39. | :44:40. | |
Everybody sees it differently. Everybody sees it differently. | :44:40. | :44:41. | |
Everyone sees it through different Everyone sees it through different | :44:42. | :44:44. | |
Everyone sees it through different Everyone sees it through different | :44:44. | :44:45. | |
eyes. How did you see it?A massive eyes. How did you see it?A massive | :44:45. | :44:47. | |
eyes. How did you see it?A massive countries all over the globe which | :44:47. | :44:48. | |
countries all over the globe which countries all over the globe which | :44:48. | :44:49. | |
had difficulties everywhere, when I had difficulties everywhere, when I | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
had difficulties everywhere, when I had difficulties everywhere, when I | :44:51. | :44:52. | |
first took office. But what you do first took office. But what you do | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
first took office. But what you do appreciate in the end is the | :44:54. | :44:55. | |
appreciate in the end is the appreciate in the end is the | :44:55. | :44:57. | |
feeling amongst all those countries, feeling amongst all those countries, | :44:57. | :45:07. | |
:45:07. | :45:11. | ||
despite the disparities amongst What is the Commonwealth to do? I | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
What is the Commonwealth to do? I What is the Commonwealth to do? I | :45:14. | :45:15. | |
slip back 40 years to my childhood slip back 40 years to my childhood | :45:15. | :45:16. | |
slip back 40 years to my childhood and the classroom, which is very | :45:16. | :45:17. | |
and the classroom, which is very and the classroom, which is very | :45:17. | :45:18. | |
and the classroom, which is very simplistic. But if I wear head of | :45:18. | :45:19. | |
simplistic. But if I wear head of simplistic. But if I wear head of | :45:19. | :45:25. | |
state for a Commonwealth country, state for a Commonwealth country, | :45:25. | :45:25. | |
state for a Commonwealth country, state for a Commonwealth country, | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
and you turned to a minister and and you turned to a minister and | :45:27. | :45:28. | |
and you turned to a minister and and you turned to a minister and | :45:28. | :45:30. | |
said, what you get from being in the said, what you get from being in the | :45:30. | :45:30. | |
said, what you get from being in the Commonwealth? What would the answer | :45:30. | :45:35. | |
Commonwealth? What would the answer Commonwealth? What would the answer | :45:35. | :45:36. | |
Commonwealth? What would the answer be? That is exactly what they should | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
be? That is exactly what they should be? That is exactly what they should | :45:38. | :45:39. | |
be? That is exactly what they should ask. Are we getting value for money? | :45:39. | :45:40. | |
ask. Are we getting value for money? ask. Are we getting value for money? | :45:40. | :45:42. | |
ask. Are we getting value for money? From a British point of view, which | :45:42. | :45:43. | |
From a British point of view, which From a British point of view, which | :45:43. | :45:44. | |
is different from Zambia or anywhere is different from Zambia or anywhere | :45:44. | :45:45. | |
is different from Zambia or anywhere is different from Zambia or anywhere | :45:45. | :45:49. | |
else, you have 54 friends out there. else, you have 54 friends out there. | :45:49. | :45:49. | |
else, you have 54 friends out there. Anything Britain wants to initiate | :45:49. | :45:50. | |
Anything Britain wants to initiate Anything Britain wants to initiate | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
internationally, they can go to the internationally, they can go to the | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
internationally, they can go to the internationally, they can go to the | :45:53. | :45:54. | |
World Bank, the UN, the IMS and World Bank, the UN, the IMS and | :45:54. | :45:56. | |
World Bank, the UN, the IMS and World Bank, the UN, the IMS and | :45:56. | :45:57. | |
say, I've got 54 votes behind me for say, I've got 54 votes behind me for | :45:57. | :45:57. | |
say, I've got 54 votes behind me for this procedure. Now, let's move it | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
this procedure. Now, let's move it this procedure. Now, let's move it | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
on. You don't have that anywhere on. You don't have that anywhere | :46:04. | :46:04. | |
on. You don't have that anywhere on. You don't have that anywhere | :46:04. | :46:07. | |
else. So it does have clout, then? else. So it does have clout, then? | :46:08. | :46:10. | |
else. So it does have clout, then? else. So it does have clout, then? | :46:10. | :46:10. | |
else. So it does have clout, then? It is how it is used. I mean, for | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
It is how it is used. I mean, for It is how it is used. I mean, for | :46:13. | :46:14. | |
the bigger countries, Australia and the bigger countries, Australia and | :46:14. | :46:15. | |
the bigger countries, Australia and India, they can use the membership | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
India, they can use the membership to enhance their relationships | :46:18. | :46:19. | |
to enhance their relationships to enhance their relationships | :46:19. | :46:20. | |
to enhance their relationships because they can say, look, I've got | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
because they can say, look, I've got because they can say, look, I've got | :46:22. | :46:23. | |
Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, the Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, the | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
Africa, Asia, the Caribbean, the Pacific supporting me. It depends | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
Pacific supporting me. It depends Pacific supporting me. It depends | :46:28. | :46:29. | |
very much on the issues. Trade very much on the issues. Trade | :46:29. | :46:30. | |
very much on the issues. Trade related issues are very difficult | :46:30. | :46:31. | |
related issues are very difficult related issues are very difficult | :46:31. | :46:32. | |
related issues are very difficult and complex because we are all at | :46:32. | :46:34. | |
and complex because we are all at and complex because we are all at | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
different stages of the relevant. different stages of the relevant. | :46:35. | :46:36. | |
different stages of the relevant. Everyone wants free trade going in | :46:36. | :46:37. | |
Everyone wants free trade going in Everyone wants free trade going in | :46:37. | :46:37. | |
Everyone wants free trade going in and not so much coming back in | :46:37. | :46:42. | |
and not so much coming back in and not so much coming back in | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
again. Did the common market kill again. Did the common market kill | :46:45. | :46:47. | |
again. Did the common market kill the Commonwealth? No. It is a | :46:47. | :46:48. | |
the Commonwealth? No. It is a the Commonwealth? No. It is a | :46:48. | :46:51. | |
the Commonwealth? No. It is a question of how you use it. You are | :46:51. | :46:52. | |
question of how you use it. You are question of how you use it. You are | :46:52. | :46:53. | |
question of how you use it. You are part of the European Union and us | :46:53. | :46:55. | |
part of the European Union and us part of the European Union and us | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
taxpayers you put �350 million into taxpayers you put �350 million into | :46:58. | :46:59. | |
taxpayers you put �350 million into taxpayers you put �350 million into | :47:00. | :47:01. | |
the EU and just �1 Commonwealth. I the EU and just �1 Commonwealth. I | :47:01. | :47:02. | |
the EU and just �1 Commonwealth. I the EU and just �1 Commonwealth. I | :47:02. | :47:03. | |
think that �1 is a pretty good think that �1 is a pretty good | :47:03. | :47:03. | |
think that �1 is a pretty good investment. I think Britain has | :47:03. | :47:06. | |
investment. I think Britain has investment. I think Britain has | :47:06. | :47:06. | |
investment. I think Britain has always used it rest. On the other | :47:06. | :47:07. | |
always used it rest. On the other always used it rest. On the other | :47:07. | :47:08. | |
hand, I don't think many hand, I don't think many | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
Commonwealth countries really used Commonwealth countries really used | :47:12. | :47:13. | |
Commonwealth countries really used it. Smaller countries are the ones | :47:13. | :47:14. | |
it. Smaller countries are the ones it. Smaller countries are the ones | :47:14. | :47:17. | |
it. Smaller countries are the ones it. Smaller countries are the ones | :47:17. | :47:18. | |
who tend to use it the best. And do who tend to use it the best. And do | :47:18. | :47:19. | |
who tend to use it the best. And do who tend to use it the best. And do | :47:19. | :47:19. | |
they benefit from it? If you are they benefit from it? If you are | :47:20. | :47:20. | |
they benefit from it? If you are going to point successes, what would | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
going to point successes, what would going to point successes, what would | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
spring to mind? Well, in the spring to mind? Well, in the | :47:27. | :47:27. | |
spring to mind? Well, in the Caribbean, you have 12 small | :47:27. | :47:28. | |
Caribbean, you have 12 small Caribbean, you have 12 small | :47:28. | :47:30. | |
countries. Nobody really listens to countries. Nobody really listens to | :47:30. | :47:33. | |
countries. Nobody really listens to countries. Nobody really listens to | :47:33. | :47:34. | |
them. If the president of the United them. If the president of the United | :47:34. | :47:36. | |
them. If the president of the United States talks about the Americas, he | :47:36. | :47:37. | |
States talks about the Americas, he States talks about the Americas, he | :47:37. | :47:38. | |
means North America and South means North America and South | :47:38. | :47:39. | |
means North America and South America, and doesn't really think | :47:39. | :47:40. | |
America, and doesn't really think America, and doesn't really think | :47:40. | :47:42. | |
about those 12 countries. If they about those 12 countries. If they | :47:42. | :47:43. | |
about those 12 countries. If they about those 12 countries. If they | :47:43. | :47:43. | |
come together, I have got a voice come together, I have got a voice | :47:44. | :47:44. | |
come together, I have got a voice come together, I have got a voice | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
and then they bring it to the and then they bring it to the | :47:47. | :47:48. | |
and then they bring it to the Commonwealth. Can you think of | :47:48. | :47:49. | |
Commonwealth. Can you think of Commonwealth. Can you think of | :47:49. | :47:50. | |
something in your time that would something in your time that would | :47:50. | :47:51. | |
something in your time that would something in your time that would | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
have said, we did this in the have said, we did this in the | :47:53. | :47:54. | |
have said, we did this in the Commonwealth? Well, I think one | :47:54. | :47:56. | |
Commonwealth? Well, I think one Commonwealth? Well, I think one | :47:56. | :47:57. | |
Commonwealth? Well, I think one thing that they did initiate was the | :47:57. | :47:58. | |
thing that they did initiate was the thing that they did initiate was the | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
massive write-off of debt. That massive write-off of debt. That | :48:03. | :48:04. | |
massive write-off of debt. That began in the Commonwealth and Gordon | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
began in the Commonwealth and Gordon began in the Commonwealth and Gordon | :48:06. | :48:07. | |
Brown, as the Chancellor, went with Brown, as the Chancellor, went with | :48:07. | :48:08. | |
Brown, as the Chancellor, went with Brown, as the Chancellor, went with | :48:08. | :48:09. | |
his 53 votes to the World Bank his 53 votes to the World Bank | :48:09. | :48:10. | |
his 53 votes to the World Bank meetings and it took about five | :48:10. | :48:12. | |
meetings and it took about five meetings and it took about five | :48:12. | :48:12. | |
meetings and it took about five years. But that was the beginning of | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
years. But that was the beginning of years. But that was the beginning of | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
the initiative that went all the the initiative that went all the | :48:16. | :48:16. | |
the initiative that went all the way. Which leaders have you enjoyed | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
way. Which leaders have you enjoyed way. Which leaders have you enjoyed | :48:20. | :48:20. | |
way. Which leaders have you enjoyed working with the most? Or who are | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
working with the most? Or who are working with the most? Or who are | :48:23. | :48:24. | |
the worst? I've had some very the worst? I've had some very | :48:24. | :48:26. | |
the worst? I've had some very difficult ones! But they are all | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
difficult ones! But they are all challenging and interesting people! | :48:29. | :48:30. | |
challenging and interesting people! challenging and interesting people! | :48:30. | :48:31. | |
challenging and interesting people! I suppose you have to be diplomatic | :48:31. | :48:32. | |
I suppose you have to be diplomatic I suppose you have to be diplomatic | :48:32. | :48:35. | |
I suppose you have to be diplomatic in that role, don't you? Their risen | :48:35. | :48:36. | |
in that role, don't you? Their risen in that role, don't you? Their risen | :48:36. | :48:36. | |
from political leader that doesn't from political leader that doesn't | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
from political leader that doesn't have a complex personality. They may | :48:39. | :48:40. | |
have a complex personality. They may have a complex personality. They may | :48:40. | :48:40. | |
have a complex personality. They may look as though they are very black | :48:40. | :48:44. | |
look as though they are very black look as though they are very black | :48:44. | :48:44. | |
and white. -- there isn't one and white. -- there isn't one | :48:45. | :48:45. | |
and white. -- there isn't one political leader. They are all very | :48:45. | :48:50. | |
political leader. They are all very political leader. They are all very | :48:50. | :48:50. | |
complex people. Were people like complex people. Were people like | :48:51. | :48:51. | |
complex people. Were people like Robert Mugabe vilified in the | :48:51. | :48:55. | |
Robert Mugabe vilified in the Robert Mugabe vilified in the | :48:55. | :48:56. | |
Commonwealth? Welcomer he was, but Commonwealth? Welcomer he was, but | :48:56. | :48:58. | |
Commonwealth? Welcomer he was, but Commonwealth? Welcomer he was, but | :48:58. | :48:59. | |
not always in Africa. He was still a not always in Africa. He was still a | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
not always in Africa. He was still a not always in Africa. He was still a | :49:02. | :49:03. | |
hero. -- well, he was. This is hero. -- well, he was. This is | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
hero. -- well, he was. This is because he still had that frontline | :49:06. | :49:08. | |
because he still had that frontline because he still had that frontline | :49:08. | :49:08. | |
state credential of what he state credential of what he | :49:08. | :49:09. | |
state credential of what he state credential of what he | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
delivered. And he did a lot for that delivered. And he did a lot for that | :49:13. | :49:14. | |
delivered. And he did a lot for that country. But did the condemnation of | :49:14. | :49:15. | |
country. But did the condemnation of country. But did the condemnation of | :49:15. | :49:16. | |
country. But did the condemnation of the rest of the Commonwealth on his | :49:16. | :49:16. | |
the rest of the Commonwealth on his the rest of the Commonwealth on his | :49:16. | :49:25. | |
deeds have any effect on him deeds have any effect on him | :49:25. | :49:27. | |
deeds have any effect on him personally? He was very angry. He | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
personally? He was very angry. He personally? He was very angry. He | :49:30. | :49:31. | |
tackled his fellow African leaders tackled his fellow African leaders | :49:31. | :49:33. | |
tackled his fellow African leaders tackled his fellow African leaders | :49:33. | :49:33. | |
and said, don't even think of having and said, don't even think of having | :49:34. | :49:34. | |
and said, don't even think of having a conference without me, don't think | :49:34. | :49:35. | |
a conference without me, don't think a conference without me, don't think | :49:35. | :49:38. | |
a conference without me, don't think of castigating me in public. And the | :49:38. | :49:39. | |
of castigating me in public. And the of castigating me in public. And the | :49:39. | :49:40. | |
President of Nigeria worked very, President of Nigeria worked very, | :49:40. | :49:42. | |
President of Nigeria worked very, very hard to turn Robert Mugabe | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
very hard to turn Robert Mugabe very hard to turn Robert Mugabe | :49:44. | :49:44. | |
very hard to turn Robert Mugabe round but in the end Robert Mugabe | :49:44. | :49:45. | |
round but in the end Robert Mugabe round but in the end Robert Mugabe | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
wasn't going to play ball. What wasn't going to play ball. What | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
wasn't going to play ball. What about the Queen? Wonderful. You have | :49:55. | :49:56. | |
about the Queen? Wonderful. You have about the Queen? Wonderful. You have | :49:56. | :49:58. | |
about the Queen? Wonderful. You have to be so impressed with that lady. | :49:58. | :49:59. | |
to be so impressed with that lady. to be so impressed with that lady. | :49:59. | :50:00. | |
to be so impressed with that lady. And so many sitting beside her over | :50:00. | :50:01. | |
And so many sitting beside her over And so many sitting beside her over | :50:01. | :50:02. | |
the years, and what a marvellous the years, and what a marvellous | :50:02. | :50:03. | |
the years, and what a marvellous the years, and what a marvellous | :50:03. | :50:04. | |
diary she could have kept if she diary she could have kept if she | :50:04. | :50:05. | |
diary she could have kept if she diary she could have kept if she | :50:05. | :50:07. | |
ever did on how she felt about all ever did on how she felt about all | :50:07. | :50:08. | |
ever did on how she felt about all these people! She's very easy to | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
these people! She's very easy to these people! She's very easy to | :50:11. | :50:12. | |
talk to about Commonwealth issues talk to about Commonwealth issues | :50:12. | :50:13. | |
talk to about Commonwealth issues talk to about Commonwealth issues | :50:13. | :50:14. | |
and I enjoyed every minute I had. and I enjoyed every minute I had. | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
and I enjoyed every minute I had. and I enjoyed every minute I had. | :50:17. | :50:17. | |
How did she manage dinner or how did How did she manage dinner or how did | :50:17. | :50:18. | |
How did she manage dinner or how did How did she manage dinner or how did | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
you manage dinner sitting next to a you manage dinner sitting next to a | :50:22. | :50:23. | |
you manage dinner sitting next to a despot? Would she make small talk | :50:23. | :50:27. | |
despot? Would she make small talk despot? Would she make small talk | :50:27. | :50:28. | |
despot? Would she make small talk with them? Well, she had to. And she | :50:28. | :50:29. | |
with them? Well, she had to. And she with them? Well, she had to. And she | :50:29. | :50:30. | |
did it successfully. She might have did it successfully. She might have | :50:30. | :50:32. | |
did it successfully. She might have did it successfully. She might have | :50:32. | :50:33. | |
gritted her teeth! And it was the gritted her teeth! And it was the | :50:33. | :50:33. | |
gritted her teeth! And it was the Foreign Office saying, we want you | :50:33. | :50:35. | |
Foreign Office saying, we want you Foreign Office saying, we want you | :50:35. | :50:36. | |
Foreign Office saying, we want you Foreign Office saying, we want you | :50:36. | :50:37. | |
to have him as a state guest of our to have him as a state guest of our | :50:37. | :50:38. | |
to have him as a state guest of our country and therefore he will be | :50:38. | :50:39. | |
country and therefore he will be country and therefore he will be | :50:39. | :50:39. | |
country and therefore he will be sitting next to you at dinner at | :50:39. | :50:40. | |
sitting next to you at dinner at sitting next to you at dinner at | :50:40. | :50:44. | |
sitting next to you at dinner at some time. And she had to say, OK. | :50:44. | :50:45. | |
some time. And she had to say, OK. some time. And she had to say, OK. | :50:45. | :50:48. | |
Did she tell you anything personal Did she tell you anything personal | :50:48. | :50:49. | |
Did she tell you anything personal about leaders? We had lots of | :50:50. | :50:50. | |
about leaders? We had lots of about leaders? We had lots of | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
wonderful conversations! So she did? wonderful conversations! So she did? | :50:53. | :50:53. | |
wonderful conversations! So she did? We had lots of wonderful | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
We had lots of wonderful We had lots of wonderful | :50:56. | :50:58. | |
conversations! And what about Prince conversations! And what about Prince | :50:58. | :50:59. | |
conversations! And what about Prince Charles? It is not a natural | :50:59. | :51:04. | |
Charles? It is not a natural Charles? It is not a natural | :51:04. | :51:05. | |
succession. He just finished a tour succession. He just finished a tour | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
succession. He just finished a tour succession. He just finished a tour | :51:09. | :51:09. | |
of Australia and New Zealand. In our of Australia and New Zealand. In our | :51:09. | :51:10. | |
of Australia and New Zealand. In our of Australia and New Zealand. In our | :51:11. | :51:15. | |
part of the world, I'm in New part of the world, I'm in New | :51:15. | :51:17. | |
Zealand, and the Republican Zealand, and the Republican | :51:17. | :51:18. | |
-monarchy pendulum swings backwards -monarchy pendulum swings backwards | :51:18. | :51:19. | |
-monarchy pendulum swings backwards -monarchy pendulum swings backwards | :51:19. | :51:19. | |
and forwards and I think they caused and forwards and I think they caused | :51:19. | :51:20. | |
and forwards and I think they caused it to swing back towards the | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
it to swing back towards the it to swing back towards the | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
monarchy with that visit. And your monarchy with that visit. And your | :51:27. | :51:30. | |
monarchy with that visit. And your monarchy with that visit. And your | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
book? In The Ring - The Commonwealth book? In The Ring - The Commonwealth | :51:35. | :51:36. | |
book? In The Ring - The Commonwealth book? In The Ring - The Commonwealth | :51:36. | :51:37. | |
Memoir. Now Time To Find Out The Memoir. Now Time To Find Out The | :51:37. | :51:38. | |
Memoir. Now Time To Find Out The Memoir. Now Time To Find Out The | :51:38. | :51:38. | |
Answer To Our Quiz. Which Flag Is Answer To Our Quiz. Which Flag Is | :51:38. | :51:44. | |
Answer To Our Quiz. Which Flag Is Answer To Our Quiz. Which Flag Is | :51:44. | :51:45. | |
The Odd One Out? The First Was The Odd One Out? The First Was | :51:45. | :51:45. | |
The Odd One Out? The First Was Mozambique, Then Algeria With The | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
Mozambique, Then Algeria With The Mozambique, Then Algeria With The | :51:49. | :51:50. | |
Red Crescent And Star. Then The Red Crescent And Star. Then The | :51:50. | :51:51. | |
Red Crescent And Star. Then The Rather Psychedelic Flag Of The | :51:51. | :51:52. | |
Rather Psychedelic Flag Of The Rather Psychedelic Flag Of The | :51:52. | :51:54. | |
Seychelles And Then The Pacific Seychelles And Then The Pacific | :51:54. | :51:55. | |
Seychelles And Then The Pacific Island Of Tuvalu, Featuring The | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
Island Of Tuvalu, Featuring The Island Of Tuvalu, Featuring The | :51:58. | :52:05. | |
Union Flag. What is the correct Union Flag. What is the correct | :52:05. | :52:07. | |
Union Flag. What is the correct Union Flag. What is the correct | :52:07. | :52:08. | |
answer? We might even give you a answer? We might even give you a | :52:08. | :52:08. | |
answer? We might even give you a daily politics mug forgetting it | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
daily politics mug forgetting it daily politics mug forgetting it | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
daily politics mug forgetting it right. -- for getting it right. Sit | :52:15. | :52:16. | |
right. -- for getting it right. Sit right. -- for getting it right. Sit | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
comfortably and look at this. comfortably and look at this. | :52:20. | :52:23. | |
comfortably and look at this. It has been the most exciting, | :52:23. | :52:24. | |
It has been the most exciting, unpredictable election in a | :52:24. | :52:25. | |
unpredictable election in a generation. Welcome to election | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
generation. Welcome to election night on the BBC. | :52:29. | :52:30. | |
night on the BBC. night on the BBC. | :52:30. | :52:30. | |
night on the BBC. Here is how we voted last time | :52:31. | :52:31. | |
Here is how we voted last time Here is how we voted last time | :52:31. | :52:32. | |
Here is how we voted last time round. What colour will we paint the | :52:32. | :52:35. | |
round. What colour will we paint the round. What colour will we paint the | :52:35. | :52:36. | |
country this time? Politicians on country this time? Politicians on | :52:36. | :52:37. | |
country this time? Politicians on all sides are expecting a result | :52:37. | :52:40. | |
all sides are expecting a result all sides are expecting a result | :52:41. | :52:41. | |
that makes history. Fascinating to that makes history. Fascinating to | :52:41. | :52:42. | |
that makes history. Fascinating to see these results coming in... We | :52:42. | :52:43. | |
see these results coming in... We see these results coming in... We | :52:43. | :52:49. | |
see these results coming in... We are almost on the cusp of a name. | :52:50. | :52:51. | |
are almost on the cusp of a name. are almost on the cusp of a name. | :52:51. | :52:52. | |
are almost on the cusp of a name. This is the key number to remember. | :52:52. | :52:53. | |
This is the key number to remember. This is the key number to remember. | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
Paving stones flying into Downing Paving stones flying into Downing | :52:58. | :52:59. | |
Paving stones flying into Downing Street. The Conservatives are the | :52:59. | :53:00. | |
Street. The Conservatives are the Street. The Conservatives are the | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
largest party and are tonight largest party and are tonight | :53:03. | :53:04. | |
largest party and are tonight seeking power... The first hung | :53:04. | :53:06. | |
seeking power... The first hung seeking power... The first hung | :53:07. | :53:07. | |
parliament in decades! They are parliament in decades! They are | :53:07. | :53:08. | |
parliament in decades! They are desperately trying to thrash out a | :53:08. | :53:09. | |
desperately trying to thrash out a desperately trying to thrash out a | :53:09. | :53:13. | |
desperately trying to thrash out a deal on a shared government. We are | :53:13. | :53:14. | |
deal on a shared government. We are deal on a shared government. We are | :53:14. | :53:14. | |
deal on a shared government. We are steps closer to a new government for | :53:14. | :53:21. | |
Don't worry! Your clock hasn't Don't worry! Your clock hasn't | :53:21. | :53:22. | |
Don't worry! Your clock hasn't Don't worry! Your clock hasn't | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
broken. It is not 2am and we are not broken. It is not 2am and we are not | :53:24. | :53:26. | |
broken. It is not 2am and we are not broken. It is not 2am and we are not | :53:26. | :53:27. | |
about to hear the result of a about to hear the result of a | :53:27. | :53:27. | |
about to hear the result of a certain by-election that we can't | :53:27. | :53:28. | |
certain by-election that we can't certain by-election that we can't | :53:28. | :53:30. | |
mention! Voting is still going on. mention! Voting is still going on. | :53:30. | :53:31. | |
mention! Voting is still going on. mention! Voting is still going on. | :53:31. | :53:33. | |
That was a clip from the new satire That was a clip from the new satire | :53:33. | :53:33. | |
That was a clip from the new satire currently on a Pleasance Theatre in | :53:33. | :53:35. | |
currently on a Pleasance Theatre in currently on a Pleasance Theatre in | :53:36. | :53:36. | |
currently on a Pleasance Theatre in London. We are joined by Sir Francis | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
London. We are joined by Sir Francis Whitford, special adviser, perhaps | :53:39. | :53:41. | |
Whitford, special adviser, perhaps Whitford, special adviser, perhaps | :53:41. | :53:42. | |
better known as comedian Phill better known as comedian Phill | :53:42. | :53:43. | |
better known as comedian Phill Jupitus. Do you think a coalition | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
Jupitus. Do you think a coalition Jupitus. Do you think a coalition | :53:45. | :53:45. | |
government gives you rich pickings government gives you rich pickings | :53:46. | :53:46. | |
government gives you rich pickings for satire? Richer than single party | :53:46. | :53:51. | |
for satire? Richer than single party for satire? Richer than single party | :53:51. | :53:52. | |
for satire? Richer than single party once? I think it has. That is what | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
once? I think it has. That is what once? I think it has. That is what | :53:54. | :53:55. | |
once? I think it has. That is what we are looking at - this very, very | :53:55. | :53:57. | |
we are looking at - this very, very we are looking at - this very, very | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
uneasy alliance that has developed. uneasy alliance that has developed. | :53:59. | :54:00. | |
uneasy alliance that has developed. uneasy alliance that has developed. | :54:00. | :54:01. | |
We have watched the drama played out We have watched the drama played out | :54:01. | :54:02. | |
We have watched the drama played out in newspapers, on television and on | :54:02. | :54:02. | |
in newspapers, on television and on in newspapers, on television and on | :54:02. | :54:03. | |
in newspapers, on television and on the wireless for the last couple of | :54:03. | :54:07. | |
the wireless for the last couple of the wireless for the last couple of | :54:08. | :54:08. | |
the wireless for the last couple of years, and now what the guys who | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
years, and now what the guys who years, and now what the guys who | :54:10. | :54:11. | |
years, and now what the guys who have written a play have done is, | :54:11. | :54:12. | |
have written a play have done is, have written a play have done is, | :54:12. | :54:13. | |
have written a play have done is, right, let's look at a possible way | :54:13. | :54:15. | |
right, let's look at a possible way right, let's look at a possible way | :54:15. | :54:15. | |
right, let's look at a possible way it could fall apart. So it is like | :54:16. | :54:18. | |
it could fall apart. So it is like it could fall apart. So it is like | :54:18. | :54:19. | |
it could fall apart. So it is like wargames in the coalition. And it is | :54:19. | :54:22. | |
wargames in the coalition. And it is wargames in the coalition. And it is | :54:22. | :54:23. | |
wargames in the coalition. And it is wargames in the coalition. And it is | :54:23. | :54:27. | |
good fun? Well, yes, I get to play a good fun? Well, yes, I get to play a | :54:28. | :54:29. | |
good fun? Well, yes, I get to play a good fun? Well, yes, I get to play a | :54:29. | :54:30. | |
Tory! I have loosely based it on... Tory! I have loosely based it on... | :54:30. | :54:31. | |
Tory! I have loosely based it on... Tory! I have loosely based it on... | :54:31. | :54:31. | |
Tory! I have loosely based it on... Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and | :54:31. | :54:32. | |
Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and | :54:32. | :54:33. | |
Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and Well, my dad is in a Rotary club and | :54:33. | :54:34. | |
I went to dinner once and I have a I went to dinner once and I have a | :54:34. | :54:37. | |
I went to dinner once and I have a I went to dinner once and I have a | :54:37. | :54:37. | |
memory of that! It is that and also memory of that! It is that and also | :54:37. | :54:42. | |
memory of that! It is that and also memory of that! It is that and also | :54:42. | :54:44. | |
I went to boarding school , so I I went to boarding school , so I | :54:44. | :54:45. | |
I went to boarding school , so I I went to boarding school , so I | :54:45. | :54:45. | |
remember a fewer of the Masters. I remember a fewer of the Masters. I | :54:45. | :54:46. | |
remember a fewer of the Masters. I remember a fewer of the Masters. I | :54:46. | :54:48. | |
went to Westminster once and I was went to Westminster once and I was | :54:48. | :54:48. | |
went to Westminster once and I was went to Westminster once and I was | :54:48. | :54:49. | |
hanging out with the Labour guys and hanging out with the Labour guys and | :54:49. | :54:50. | |
hanging out with the Labour guys and hanging out with the Labour guys and | :54:50. | :54:51. | |
it was all a bit called Troy and" it was all a bit called Troy and" | :54:51. | :54:56. | |
it was all a bit called Troy and" it was all a bit called Troy and" | :54:56. | :54:57. | |
it was all a bit called Troy and" how are you, lad? " . So is it, Dior | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
how are you, lad? " . So is it, Dior how are you, lad? " . So is it, Dior | :55:02. | :55:12. | |
:55:12. | :55:16. | ||
how are you, lad? " . So is it, Dior satire? -- so is it, D or satire? | :55:16. | :55:18. | |
satire? -- so is it, D or satire? satire? -- so is it, D or satire? | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
satire? -- so is it, D or satire? Well, my mother was there, which was | :55:21. | :55:22. | |
Well, my mother was there, which was Well, my mother was there, which was | :55:22. | :55:23. | |
Well, my mother was there, which was Well, my mother was there, which was | :55:23. | :55:24. | |
fun. It is easy to do that but if fun. It is easy to do that but if | :55:24. | :55:25. | |
fun. It is easy to do that but if fun. It is easy to do that but if | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
Ewing gate with the process as it is Ewing gate with the process as it is | :55:28. | :55:29. | |
Ewing gate with the process as it is going along, you can do yourself | :55:29. | :55:30. | |
going along, you can do yourself going along, you can do yourself | :55:30. | :55:30. | |
going along, you can do yourself more favours if you can kind of look | :55:30. | :55:31. | |
more favours if you can kind of look more favours if you can kind of look | :55:31. | :55:33. | |
more favours if you can kind of look at what is going on around you. And | :55:33. | :55:34. | |
at what is going on around you. And at what is going on around you. And | :55:34. | :55:35. | |
at what is going on around you. And the play has made me kind of more | :55:35. | :55:36. | |
the play has made me kind of more the play has made me kind of more | :55:36. | :55:38. | |
the play has made me kind of more aware of what is happening. It is | :55:38. | :55:39. | |
aware of what is happening. It is aware of what is happening. It is | :55:39. | :55:40. | |
aware of what is happening. It is very easy to go, turn it off, turn | :55:40. | :55:41. | |
very easy to go, turn it off, turn very easy to go, turn it off, turn | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
very easy to go, turn it off, turn it off, as many do. Are all the | :55:45. | :55:51. | |
it off, as many do. Are all the it off, as many do. Are all the | :55:51. | :55:51. | |
characters fictional? Yes, but there characters fictional? Yes, but there | :55:51. | :55:52. | |
are touchstones within the are touchstones within the | :55:52. | :55:53. | |
are touchstones within the production and you will recognise | :55:53. | :55:57. | |
production and you will recognise production and you will recognise | :55:57. | :55:59. | |
certain people. And do you alter certain people. And do you alter | :55:59. | :56:04. | |
certain people. And do you alter production at all to match reality? | :56:04. | :56:05. | |
production at all to match reality? production at all to match reality? | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
production at all to match reality? Well, we can't. We did in Edinburgh | :56:07. | :56:08. | |
Well, we can't. We did in Edinburgh Well, we can't. We did in Edinburgh | :56:08. | :56:09. | |
Well, we can't. We did in Edinburgh has the coalition was having a bumpy | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
has the coalition was having a bumpy has the coalition was having a bumpy | :56:12. | :56:13. | |
time, Iraqi time, and we thought, time, Iraqi time, and we thought, | :56:13. | :56:15. | |
time, Iraqi time, and we thought, please don't fall apart. We would | :56:15. | :56:16. | |
please don't fall apart. We would please don't fall apart. We would | :56:16. | :56:17. | |
please don't fall apart. We would have had to write a musical version! | :56:17. | :56:24. | |
have had to write a musical version! have had to write a musical version! | :56:24. | :56:24. | |
have had to write a musical version! -- a rocky time. Are any of the | :56:24. | :56:29. | |
-- a rocky time. Are any of the -- a rocky time. Are any of the | :56:29. | :56:30. | |
politicians funny? John we -- John politicians funny? John we -- John | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
politicians funny? John we -- John politicians funny? John we -- John | :56:34. | :56:35. | |
Reid was rather funny. But they will Reid was rather funny. But they will | :56:35. | :56:38. | |
Reid was rather funny. But they will tell you something different. They | :56:38. | :56:39. | |
tell you something different. They tell you something different. They | :56:39. | :56:41. | |
tell you something different. They will say one thing in interviews and | :56:41. | :56:41. | |
will say one thing in interviews and will say one thing in interviews and | :56:42. | :56:42. | |
will say one thing in interviews and then later, they will say, you are | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
then later, they will say, you are then later, they will say, you are | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
then later, they will say, you are right, we should do the other thing. | :56:48. | :56:49. | |
right, we should do the other thing. right, we should do the other thing. | :56:49. | :56:55. | |
Who is the funniest politician? Who is the funniest politician? | :56:55. | :56:55. | |
Who is the funniest politician? Who is the funniest politician? | :56:55. | :56:56. | |
People will hate me saying this but People will hate me saying this but | :56:56. | :56:57. | |
People will hate me saying this but People will hate me saying this but | :56:57. | :57:03. | |
Tony Blair was pretty funny. He was Tony Blair was pretty funny. He was | :57:03. | :57:04. | |
Tony Blair was pretty funny. He was pretty witty. Yes, funny how, as | :57:04. | :57:07. | |
pretty witty. Yes, funny how, as pretty witty. Yes, funny how, as | :57:07. | :57:10. | |
they said! Mo Mowlam was hilarious. they said! Mo Mowlam was hilarious. | :57:10. | :57:11. | |
they said! Mo Mowlam was hilarious. they said! Mo Mowlam was hilarious. | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
When she was on her way out, she When she was on her way out, she | :57:13. | :57:16. | |
When she was on her way out, she When she was on her way out, she | :57:16. | :57:17. | |
went, where's the toilet? To one of went, where's the toilet? To one of | :57:17. | :57:20. | |
went, where's the toilet? To one of the people at the Palladium. And | :57:20. | :57:21. | |
the people at the Palladium. And the people at the Palladium. And | :57:21. | :57:22. | |
the people at the Palladium. And they pointed her the way but she | :57:22. | :57:23. | |
they pointed her the way but she they pointed her the way but she | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
they pointed her the way but she said, no, the one the Queen uses! | :57:27. | :57:28. | |
said, no, the one the Queen uses! said, no, the one the Queen uses! | :57:28. | :57:29. | |
said, no, the one the Queen uses! you think they need to loosen up or | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
you think they need to loosen up or you think they need to loosen up or | :57:32. | :57:33. | |
would they lose credibility? They would they lose credibility? They | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
would they lose credibility? They would they lose credibility? They | :57:36. | :57:36. | |
are all being petrified -- they are are all being petrified -- they are | :57:36. | :57:40. | |
are all being petrified -- they are all petrified of being found out. | :57:40. | :57:40. | |
all petrified of being found out. all petrified of being found out. | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
all petrified of being found out. Would you ever be on question Time? | :57:44. | :57:45. | |
Would you ever be on question Time? Would you ever be on question Time? | :57:45. | :57:46. | |
No. I don't think comedians belong No. I don't think comedians belong | :57:46. | :57:50. | |
No. I don't think comedians belong No. I don't think comedians belong | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
on that forum. It is not supposed to on that forum. It is not supposed to | :57:53. | :57:54. | |
on that forum. It is not supposed to on that forum. It is not supposed to | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
be... I'm sick and tired of, you be... I'm sick and tired of, you | :57:57. | :57:57. | |
be... I'm sick and tired of, you know, here am the programme-mack, | :57:57. | :58:01. | |
know, here am the programme-mack, know, here am the programme-mack, | :58:01. | :58:01. | |
which might seem contradictory, but which might seem contradictory, but | :58:01. | :58:08. | |
which might seem contradictory, but which might seem contradictory, but | :58:08. | :58:09. | |
I am plugging my play! You should I am plugging my play! You should | :58:09. | :58:09. | |
I am plugging my play! You should see these senior Cabinet ministers | :58:09. | :58:10. | |
see these senior Cabinet ministers see these senior Cabinet ministers | :58:10. | :58:11. | |
see these senior Cabinet ministers on the phone to head office. They've | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
on the phone to head office. They've on the phone to head office. They've | :58:14. | :58:15. | |
on the phone to head office. They've got an adviser with them and then | :58:15. | :58:16. | |
got an adviser with them and then got an adviser with them and then | :58:16. | :58:16. | |
got an adviser with them and then they say, no adviser, put it this | :58:16. | :58:24. | |
they say, no adviser, put it this they say, no adviser, put it this | :58:24. | :58:26. | |
they say, no adviser, put it this way. But what about George. He is | :58:26. | :58:27. | |
way. But what about George. He is way. But what about George. He is | :58:27. | :58:31. | |
way. But what about George. He is funny and a good politician. I laugh | :58:31. | :58:35. | |
funny and a good politician. I laugh funny and a good politician. I laugh | :58:35. | :58:36. | |
funny and a good politician. I laugh a lot at Boris! I said his jokes, | :58:36. | :58:37. | |
a lot at Boris! I said his jokes, a lot at Boris! I said his jokes, | :58:37. | :58:40. | |
a lot at Boris! I said his jokes, not he is a joke! Thank you for | :58:40. | :58:42. | |
not he is a joke! Thank you for not he is a joke! Thank you for | :58:42. | :58:43. | |
coming on. Thank you, Richard, for coming on. Thank you, Richard, for | :58:43. | :58:45. | |
coming on. Thank you, Richard, for coming on. Thank you, Richard, for | :58:45. | :58:46. | |
being our guest of the day. Andrew being our guest of the day. Andrew | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
being our guest of the day. Andrew is back tonight with an extended | :58:49. | :58:50. | |
is back tonight with an extended is back tonight with an extended | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
programme in honour of the Eastleigh programme in honour of the Eastleigh | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
by-election. Apparently John by-election. Apparently John | :58:56. | :58:57. | |
Prescott is nominated Best Prescott is nominated Best | :58:57. | :58:58. | |
Prescott is nominated Best Supporting Actress! Wonder who the | :58:58. | :58:59. |