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Morning folks, welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:37. | :00:51. | |
Britain has committed to taking in unaccompanied minors, | :00:52. | :00:53. | |
around 300 of them, from the jungle camp in Calais - | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
but how many of those applying are actually under 18? | :00:57. | :00:58. | |
We've waited almost 50 years for a new runway | :00:59. | :01:00. | |
in the South East of England - next week the government | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
will finally tell us where THEY want it to be built - | :01:04. | :01:06. | |
but how many more years could it be until the bulldozers move in? | :01:07. | :01:09. | |
Theresa May will face Jeremy Corbyn in their weekly clash at PMQs today. | :01:10. | :01:12. | |
We'll bring it live and uninterrupted at midday. | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
And why you'll have to consider Brexit if you're playing the hit | :01:16. | :01:18. | |
computer game Football Manager 2017. | :01:19. | :01:28. | |
All that in the next 90 minutes and with us for the duration today | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
two of the most sought after players in SW1 - brought to | :01:35. | :01:37. | |
you at great expense on the Westminster transfer market - | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
Shadow Environment Secretary Rachael Maskell and Foreign Office | :01:41. | :01:42. | |
The jungle camp and Calais is due to be demolished over the next few | :01:43. | :01:54. | |
weeks by the French government and Britain has agreed to take some | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
unaccompanied child migrants in the camp. | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
But as photographs appeared of some of those who have already arrived | :02:00. | :02:02. | |
in Britain, questions are being asked about | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
18 and what checks are being made to verify their ages. | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
The charity Safe Passage UK has identified 387 unaccompanied | :02:09. | :02:17. | |
children in Calais with a legal right to come to Britain. | :02:18. | :02:22. | |
French authorities agreed to verify the list | :02:23. | :02:24. | |
and Home Secretary Amber Rudd said all of those with a legitimate claim | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
result" if the UK ended up taking 300 children from the camps. | :02:31. | :02:39. | |
On Monday Fourteen refugees arrived in the UK under a fast-track | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
system launched to transfer vulnerable youngsters | :02:43. | :02:48. | |
about the age of those arriving, with Conservative MP David Davies | :02:49. | :02:54. | |
saying 'these don't look like children to me' | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
If a refugee doesn't have a birth certificate, | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
the Home Office has no way of independently verifying their age | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
- judgements are based on their "physical appearance" | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
in the year to September 2015, 65% of child refugees | :03:07. | :03:18. | |
who had their age disputed were found to be over 18. | :03:19. | :03:21. | |
David Davies has called for tougher tests - | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
such as x-rays or dental investigations - to be used | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
to establish the age of refugees coming here. | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
And we are hoping to speak to David Davies later in the programme. | :03:32. | :03:42. | |
Andrew. Thank you, JoCo. Tobias Ellwood, the government thought we | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
were bringing in vulnerable child refugees, what happened? We are, we | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
have not only programmes in place to support those who are orphaned or | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
needing medical attention in Syria, bringing them to the UK... I'm | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
talking about the ones in the Jungle camp in Calais. What evidence do we | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
have that the once we have seen this week are unaccompanied minors? As | :04:05. | :04:14. | |
you report suggests, this is difficult to check and we must make | :04:15. | :04:18. | |
sure we get it right. When you think of the problems of people fleeing | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
Syria it is a target that is difficult to get to. I must say that | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
I'm not in support of this idea of dental processing. Dental | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
organisations say this is not ethical. So how do you establish | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
their age because many people think that the pictures we have seen of | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
the people coming in, it's quite hard to categorise them child | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
refugees. It is, it is a challenge we are facing. Our efforts are | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
linking up those people caught in the camps who have a genuine reason | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
to come to the UK because they have families and so forth... But you're | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
getting it wrong, in the year to September 2015 there were 574 | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
refugees checked for age and 371 were adults! Not an isolated | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
problem. The British people think that we are doing a bit, maybe not | :05:10. | :05:16. | |
enough but we are doing something to help unaccompanied minors and it | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
turns out that we are letting in a number of adults. Muggy it will be | :05:21. | :05:27. | |
very difficult. Why have you made a mess of it? I don't agree that it is | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
a mess. There is an humanitarian requirement to support the French | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
when dealing with people who need help but they are keen to get out of | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
the camp and into the UK and we need checks and balances in place and | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
clearly they are not working as they should. It is irrelevant now, isn't | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
it, because if they are in this country and they have got in on the | :05:53. | :05:57. | |
basis of being unaccompanied minors and they are aged 32, there is | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
nothing we can do, they will claim asylum and you can't send them back. | :06:02. | :06:08. | |
That is not true... They originally come from Syria and this is why we | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
are leaning into the problem in Syria itself. To prevent those | :06:13. | :06:18. | |
people making that very tough decision either to stay in places | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
like Alaba and be bombed or make the treacherous journey across Europe... | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
If it turns out that somebody has come in on the pretence of being an | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
unaccompanied minor and you find that they are anything but, I put it | :06:35. | :06:40. | |
to you that you cannot return them to Syria. We cannot at the moment | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
because of the humanitarian requirement to look after them. But | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
the long-term objective is to turn Syria into a place where you can | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
make sure that these people can safely returned. Let's not forget | :06:53. | :06:56. | |
that those who have made it to Calais and the able and the | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
committed. It's important to stress this. If they are coming here for a | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
safe haven we should expect at some point in the feature that they were | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
returned. These are talking points which do not address the issue this | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
morning. It is this. Your government told the British people, we will | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
bring in unaccompanied minors because these are the most | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
vulnerable people, the most at risk if we don't do this, ending up in | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
the sex trafficking trade, child abuse and all the rest of it. And it | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
turns out that there is now? Over what you are doing. Just another | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
example of why the British people do not have confidence in the British | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
elite, isn't it? You are using extreme language to cover your | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
argument. I am saying that we are doing the right thing but it is | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
indeed difficult, as you report suggested, there will be some | :07:54. | :07:56. | |
people, perhaps teenagers who came into the camp aged 17, they are now | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
19, with a connection in the UK. It's it extremely difficult to get | :08:03. | :08:07. | |
checks in place. But we must open our doors to those with a connection | :08:08. | :08:11. | |
to the UK. It's an agreement we have with France and it's the right thing | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
to do. Whether they are unaccompanied minors or not? There | :08:16. | :08:20. | |
are those that are challenging the system but at the end of the date | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
nobody gaining asylum for very long we'll be here forever because | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
eventually we hope Syria will be in a place where they can return when | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
they want to. If they get asylum they can stay here. They can't stay | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
here in perpetuity. After a certain time they can. They can apply for | :08:40. | :08:47. | |
it, absolutely. Lets talk to David Davies, the Tory MP who has called | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
for tougher tests for unaccompanied minors. What firm evidence do you | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
have that the refugees are not minors? Obviously at the moment we | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
going mainly on their appearance. The government advice is that they | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
must be given the benefit of the doubt, if they claim to be under the | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
age of 18. I would suggest that we need to update that. There's one in | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
my constituency where an Afghan national claimed to be younger than | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
he was and carried out an assault. The worrying thing is that if | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
someone is claiming to be a child in their 20s, they will be in a foster | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
home with other children and possibly in a school with the | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
children and there are child protection issues. We are on the | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
same page. We all believe that there are children who need our help. I'm | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
very proud of what the government is doing to try to help children... You | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
are not on the same page, Tobias Ellwood is not in favour of having | :09:47. | :09:51. | |
dental tests taken, dental records examined, and when you say you are | :09:52. | :10:00. | |
worried about child health or child safety issues you don't have any | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
evidence. You are just going on appearance. Appearance is not | :10:03. | :10:04. | |
scientific, is it? You would admit that. So you think that these child | :10:05. | :10:09. | |
refugees are not minors and are older than they seem. They may be. | :10:10. | :10:13. | |
Some are questioning whether the pictures featured in the papers | :10:14. | :10:18. | |
today are those we have accepted as unaccompanied minors. Do you accept | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
that? We are all going on appearances at the moment and no one | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
can be certain when it comes to appearance. If someone is clearly | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
under 18 they should be given the benefit of the doubt. If there is | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
uncertainty they should still be given the benefit of the doubt. A | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
piece of advice needs to be changed. If we are to help genuine children | :10:39. | :10:40. | |
we need to be certain that the rules are not being | :10:41. | :11:00. | |
abused. I am sure Tobias would agree. It is not unreasonable to ask | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
someone to take simple medical test, especially if by failing to do that | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
we may put at risk children in the UK by placing them in a home with | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
someone who might be much older than they appear. Leak could be in danger | :11:10. | :11:11. | |
from an 18-year-old, the difference between 18 and 22 is not that fast. | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
There are some people who think this is very unreasonable. The leader of | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
the Green party says we should apologise and retract your comments | :11:18. | :11:19. | |
because for many of these unaccompanied minors, as we are | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
describing them, they have had months of gruelling journey to | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
Calais, they are fleeing persecution, they have been waiting | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
in grim conditions in the camp and many of them have perhaps gone over | :11:31. | :11:35. | |
the age of 18 by the time the bureaucratic process has been | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
exhausted and know you want them to have dental checks and x-rays. | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
Nobody in Calais has to be there, they could have claimed asylum in | :11:44. | :11:48. | |
France or any other country they have gone through, they are there | :11:49. | :11:52. | |
because they want to be in the UK and they have decided they would | :11:53. | :11:56. | |
rather be there and anywhere else. I'm not suggesting blanket dental | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
checks, we already do them. I tabled written questions about it in | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
February after the incident in Monmouthshire and found that between | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
half and two thirds of people who have undergone those tests were | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
found to have given incorrect information about their age. It is, | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
and policy and was suggested by Liam Byrne ten years ago. A test that is | :12:20. | :12:24. | |
used all over the world, America, Australia, what I am suggesting is | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
not that controversial, merely an extension of something we already | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
do. Will you please stay with us, David Davies, for this discussion. | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
Diane Abbott the Shadow Home Secretary says that any age tests | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
violation of human rights. A line in the sand, that is what we're talking | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
about, you could be a 19 year woman, vulnerable, possibly trafficked... | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
We know that young men can also be trafficked and exploited. And so | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
many children have already gone missing. Why is an age test a | :13:00. | :13:06. | |
violation of human rights? What I would say is, especially x-rays and | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
invasive violations of young adults who have been through so much | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
torment to be put through another humiliating process... Why is it | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
humiliating to have an x-ray? We are looking at things like dental tests. | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
These people want to be reunited with their family members after the | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
trauma they have gone through and if we are talking about somebody who is | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
17 or 18, we have to bring these vulnerable adults and young people | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
into a place of safety... Do you agree to do and age test would be a | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
violation of human rights? Standards are already in place. We have heard | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
from Tobias what those tests are. Do you agree it would be a violation of | :13:49. | :13:54. | |
human rights? The individual's human rights is to live in a safe place | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
seat - Place of safety, it has not only been violated in their home | :14:00. | :14:06. | |
where they live... The French government survey suggests that only | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
5% of people in the Jungle camp come from Syria. It is more complicated | :14:10. | :14:14. | |
than that. The reason why I am asking, if you think an age test is | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
a violation of human rights and it isn't clear that you do, the Shadow | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
Home Secretary says it is, if the British government announces to the | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
British people, we are going to bring in people on the basis that | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
they are unaccompanied minors, how do you establish that without an age | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
test? Even the processes which David Davies lucked out not 100% accurate. | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
These people have no documents to prove their date of birth. They've | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
been through incredible trauma. What we should be looking at is | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
vulnerability... Does that mean you don't try? I am not indicating that | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
we don't try. We should though be looking at the vulnerability of | :14:58. | :15:00. | |
these individuals and whether they can be reunited family members at | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
what has been a chaotic time for these young people. As a country we | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
have said we will bring in 20,000 people, and the government are far | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
off Matt Targett at the moment. Ringing in five or six people over | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
age, we don't know how many, it doesn't even compare with the 20,000 | :15:20. | :15:22. | |
people that the government has promised. | :15:23. | :15:28. | |
Isn't it a matter of trust with the British people, that the political | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
elite says to the British people, we are going to bring in some | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
unaccompanied minors, the British people have in their mind a | :15:39. | :15:42. | |
traumatised little boy of the Syrian bombing, with blood coming down his | :15:43. | :15:47. | |
face, what a baby washed ashore on a Greek island, dead. That is what the | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
British people think of with child refugees. Then they see the pictures | :15:53. | :15:55. | |
of the ones who are coming and they feel cheated. They feel that you, | :15:56. | :16:02. | |
the elite, haven't told the true story. Those individuals feel judged | :16:03. | :16:07. | |
because they have come from a place which has torn their life, perhaps | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
their family apart, their existence, and they feel judged by individuals | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
because they are vulnerable, and what's important is that we provide | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
the safeguarding necessary to protect those young people. I need | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
to go to David Davies. You get the final word. Surely the issue is | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
whether, as Rachael Maskell is saying, is whether they are | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
vulnerable are not and, if they are, we are bringing people in, they are | :16:35. | :16:38. | |
entitled to asylum, whatever their age. If they are vulnerable and | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
under 18, is government policy to bring them in, and I support that. | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
What I think is important is that the rules aren't abused. The rule is | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
clear that they have to be under 18. If that is abused, it is wrong. It's | :16:53. | :16:57. | |
no good arguing that, if they are 20 25, is OK. The rules are the rules. | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
I want more of those young children to be brought in. There is a lack of | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
women and children, the most vulnerable people coming in, and we | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
all agree we need to help those people. We will see what more | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
information we get as this story develops and whether these pictures | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
in the paper are accurate. We haven't had them verified. | :17:20. | :17:21. | |
It was in 1968 that the then Prime Minister Harold Wilson set up | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
a commission to examine extra airport capacity in | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
I laughed because it is 50 years ago. | :17:27. | :17:34. | |
Now, nearly 50 years later, we're being told the Government | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
will inform us where they would like a new runway to be | :17:38. | :17:40. | |
Although don't expect to see a bulldozer in action any time soon. | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
There will then be what's been called a "full and fair" public | :17:45. | :17:47. | |
consultation before MPs vote in the winter of 2017/18 - | :17:48. | :17:50. | |
and we know how good they are at making decisions. | :17:51. | :17:53. | |
Yesterday, we learnt that Theresa May will pilot a special | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
Cabinet sub-committee on the question of airport | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
On board are eight members of her Cabinet, including the Chancellor, | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
Initially other Cabinet Ministers would not be forced to support | :18:04. | :18:10. | |
the Government's position, so Education Secretary Justine | :18:11. | :18:13. | |
Greening and Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, | :18:14. | :18:16. | |
who have long been opposed to another runway at Heathrow, | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
would be "able to express their views for a limited time" | :18:21. | :18:24. | |
though they won't be able to speak out in parliament or openly protest. | :18:25. | :18:36. | |
50 years on, and government are still bottling it. I don't think | :18:37. | :18:43. | |
that's correct. You are right to put it in context. We do need extra | :18:44. | :18:49. | |
airport capacity. Where is it going to be? People have to circle before | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
landing at Heathrow and Gatwick. I think Patrick McLoughlin made it | :18:56. | :18:57. | |
clear as Transport Secretary what the timetable was. What we see in | :18:58. | :19:02. | |
the media today saying that things have been delayed further is | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
incorrect. An announcement will be made next week but then there is the | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
national planning framework, a legal concentration that has to last a | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
year. Proposal is put forward and people get an opportunity to respond | :19:15. | :19:20. | |
to it. That was laid out by Patrick McLoughlin. That is what process | :19:21. | :19:25. | |
starts next week. In response to the Davies commission. We are on the | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
timetable. If there has been any delay, turning to labour twice under | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
Labour it was kicked down the road when there was an opportunity. David | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
Cameron took six years to make a decision. I really think that the | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
viewers, throwing mud at each other on this issue when you are both | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
culpable... Who set in 2008, the government is clearly give the ring | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
on Heathrow expansion. You said that. The plan we have put into | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
place now, with this announcement next week in Parliament, is | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
according to the plan. It was Theresa May who said it and she is | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
dithering again. We are on track. It must be taken into consideration | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
with the nation's needs. That was the Davies commission. Which has | :20:14. | :20:18. | |
just reported. Former Tory party chairman Grant Shapps says Theresa | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
May, she is failing to show guts with a quick decision. We have a | :20:24. | :20:28. | |
decision next week and spent a year's consultation. We have to do | :20:29. | :20:31. | |
it. We can't just send the bulldozers in next week. It would be | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
illegal. The plan we are following is the timetable that was announced | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
in the past. You can't send the bulldozers in until you get planning | :20:42. | :20:43. | |
permission, which could take more than a year. There has to be a legal | :20:44. | :20:50. | |
response. That process takes a year and that is the timetable we are | :20:51. | :20:57. | |
following. What is Labour's policy? We set out four play-test and we | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
stuck to them and we will be applying them through the process. | :21:01. | :21:07. | |
-- Ball clear tests. The issue around capacity is to be at the | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
forefront. What is your policy? That is what I am explaining. We are | :21:14. | :21:18. | |
running through the four tests to insure that we address climate | :21:19. | :21:21. | |
change and the admissions process, and that will depend on the option | :21:22. | :21:28. | |
chosen, the impact on noise and also collectivity. Where do you want the | :21:29. | :21:36. | |
runway? -- collectivity. That is what we are waiting to see. But | :21:37. | :21:42. | |
since 1968 and you don't have a policy? With respect, the world has | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
changed. If we look at aerospace capacity, things can move on | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
considerably in terms of how we stack planes, how they are waiting | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
at 7000 beat when they should be at 30,000 feet and not polluting the | :21:56. | :21:59. | |
atmosphere. A whole infrastructure has been built around this. Are you | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
going to stack up claims to 30,000 feet? That is more fuel efficient. | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
They have to come all the way back down again. They are coming from | :22:12. | :22:19. | |
that height anyway. They could stay over BC and be at a more fuel | :22:20. | :22:24. | |
efficient height. -- over the sea. That would make London really | :22:25. | :22:29. | |
attractive, all of those people wanting to invest, stack at 30,000 | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
feet, going round in circles when they could lead right away at | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
Frankfurt, Paris. They are stacked at 7000 feet. The argument is that | :22:38. | :22:46. | |
we need another runway. That is the Davies commission argument. We need | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
to use airspace more efficiently than we do. You are shadow -- your | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
Shadow Transport Secretary supports Heathrow. Sadiq Khan supports | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
Gatwick. I ask again, what is Labour policy? We have got people with | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
constituency issues. They are building it in John McDonnell's | :23:08. | :23:15. | |
constituency. He is against it. It is right that MPs scrutinise | :23:16. | :23:21. | |
government proposals. I've presumed that Heathrow was the policy. It is | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
right that we look at capacity issues and scrutinise what the | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
government comes forward with. The government had promised us the | :23:32. | :23:33. | |
environmental impact assessment it is carrying out. We haven't seen | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
that. It is vital that we do. 50,000 people are dying prematurely in our | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
as a result of poor air quality. That is a national scandal. So maybe | :23:46. | :23:50. | |
you should oppose a new runway. We are going to see a different | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
transport system by the time the first bulldozer goes in. So why not | :23:55. | :24:01. | |
oppose a new runway? You have to look at it strategically. So you | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
could oppose a new runway. You have to look at the tests. If the | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
government fails a new test and brings more pollutant Crewe to the | :24:11. | :24:15. | |
environment, we will send them back to do their work. So when Andy | :24:16. | :24:21. | |
McDonnell says the need for more capacity is imperative and | :24:22. | :24:24. | |
overwhelming, but you could still oppose a new runway. How can it be | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
imperative and overwhelming to have more capacity but you say we might | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
oppose it? We don't want to pollute the lungs of the people of London. | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
Clearly the plans would not be affected. So it isn't imperative and | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
overwhelming. Labour need to come to terms with the fact that we need a | :24:44. | :24:49. | |
new runway. We have agreed we need more capacity. Not having a runway | :24:50. | :24:55. | |
wouldn't satisfy the needs. We will leave it there. It only been going | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
on for 50 years still as clear as mud. | :25:00. | :25:00. | |
Now, do you know Boris Johnson speaks five foreign languages? | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
Yes, he's not too rusty in Latin, French, Spanish, Italian | :25:04. | :25:05. | |
and German though English is still a bit of a struggle. | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
Anyway, languages are a useful skill in a Foreign | :25:09. | :25:10. | |
It will certainly help him on trips abroad. | :25:11. | :25:26. | |
Rather than just shouting slowly at foreigners in England and thinking | :25:27. | :25:29. | |
they will understand. -- in English. But, yesterday, Boris Johnson, | :25:30. | :25:32. | |
the Foreign Secretary in Her Majesty's Government, spoke | :25:33. | :25:33. | |
at the despatch box of the Mother of all Parliaments, | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
not in the Queen's Va bene, tutti l'Italia, | :25:37. | :25:38. | |
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just take a look at Big Ben - and that can mean only one thing: | :27:48. | :27:57. | |
Yes, Prime Minister's And that's not all - | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
Laura Kuenssberg is here. Welcome, Laura. On the Heathrow | :28:01. | :28:12. | |
issue, we are proceeding on the assumption there is going to be a | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
third runway at Heathrow at the minimum, but we also thought there | :28:18. | :28:20. | |
would be a vote on that, and the whole business of this year means | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
there won't be. This is what has got people in a tangle. Technically, it | :28:27. | :28:29. | |
isn't a delay because there was always going to be a legalistic | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
planning process, a piece of paper to the House of Commons, it was | :28:34. | :28:37. | |
always going to take a year. However, there was a very clear | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
expectation across Westminster, even among some people who know this area | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
very well, that there would be a vote very swiftly after the Cabinet | :28:47. | :28:50. | |
committee's crunch decision. That will now not take place, so | :28:51. | :28:55. | |
therefore, crucially, the political sign of as absolutely been delayed, | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
and that is what has got some people upset and feeling that Theresa May | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
is fudged it. That it could change. There is also conspiracy theories, | :29:05. | :29:09. | |
that this could be more evidence that Theresa May would like the | :29:10. | :29:13. | |
option of going for a spring election, because you wouldn't want | :29:14. | :29:17. | |
to have Heathrow and issue that could be awkward for the Tory party | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
lingering at a time where you want... That is always denied by | :29:23. | :29:27. | |
anybody close to Theresa May, but it has the air of something that is a | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
bit shaky. What about these stories last week that the government may, | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
in its Britain open for business guys, say that Gatwick should have a | :29:38. | :29:40. | |
second runway as well, largely a private sector investment forced why | :29:41. | :29:48. | |
not expand the big regional airports like Birmingham? And there were | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
suggestions around the fringes of the Tory conference that that would | :29:52. | :29:54. | |
have been something that would have been a green flag to investors, come | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
here, we need to be flying around the. Those suggestions, I think, are | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
still in the play in the longer term but they won't be attached to this | :30:05. | :30:10. | |
particular decision. I'm not sure that they ever were. Perhaps some | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
over exuberance around the fringes where people want to see that kind | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
of strong statement from the government. But not necessarily | :30:18. | :30:24. | |
going to happen. What is Mr Corbyn going to go on? Who knows? There is | :30:25. | :30:33. | |
so much around. Not easy to see a direct hit subject. Indeed. We saw | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
Jeremy Corbyn do something last week, taking the August issue of the | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
day and asking all six questions on Brexit. -- the biggest issue. This | :30:42. | :30:47. | |
week it is hard to see a direct it. It's looking -- were looking for | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
questions from the backbenches, Lisa Nandy, asking Theresa May about the | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
God of enquiry. This is a potential big political enquiry in terms of | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
what is happening with the child abuse enquiry, not just because it | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
has been so messy but because it was Theresa May who instituted this | :31:09. | :31:11. | |
enquiry when she was Home Secretary. Lisa Nandy's question might be worth | :31:12. | :31:18. | |
looking out for, and some other Labour as well, Lucy Powell poor | :31:19. | :31:21. | |
example. With Jeremy Corbyn, it isn't clear what he will go on. | :31:22. | :31:27. | |
Possibly health spending. There was a story yesterday, the cost of the | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
health service. Despite increases in funding, which the government likes | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
to trumpet, for the first time in recent history, the amount spent per | :31:37. | :31:42. | |
patient will be going down. And that is politically charged. That was | :31:43. | :31:50. | |
interesting, that statistic. An interesting situation. Labour has a | :31:51. | :31:56. | |
new Shadow Health Secretary, John Ashworth. Jeremy Corbyn might want | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
to pick it up. It is clear when you take Heathrow, the health service, | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
the Lowell Goddard enquiry farce, if that isn't too strong a word, that | :32:06. | :32:11. | |
Mrs May's honeymoon is over. In the last few days, lots of politicians | :32:12. | :32:18. | |
have said you can pick up a general shakiness about the place, not a | :32:19. | :32:21. | |
time of doom and disaster, not the government having a terrible mess | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
all over the place, but Theresa May's brand of competence, | :32:29. | :32:31. | |
diligence, getting on with the job, the phrase she likes to use, it | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
seems a bit shaky. We will see how shaky it is. | :32:37. | :32:45. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker, I know everyone will want to join me in | :32:46. | :32:58. | |
remembering those affected by Aberfan in which 116 children lost | :32:59. | :33:02. | |
their lives. It caused devastation to the community, it is like that | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
would reflect on this important anniversary and recognise the | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
solidarity and resilience of the people of Aberfan to overcome this | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
tragedy. Mr Speaker this morning I had meetings with ministerial | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
colleagues and others and I will have further such meetings today in | :33:18. | :33:24. | |
addition to my duties in this House. Mr Speaker, may I associate myself | :33:25. | :33:29. | |
with the sentiments of the Prime Minister, I am of an age to remember | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
those black and white photographs, it affected everyone and we in this | :33:34. | :33:38. | |
House Basson our thoughts today. Mr Speaker, as you might know it is my | :33:39. | :33:43. | |
birthday today! The Prime Minister has already given me a huge birthday | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
present by letting everyone know that we will be at the European | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
union no later than March 31 2019. So could I press her for another | :33:55. | :34:01. | |
present? Her excellent policy of closing Victorian prisons and | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
opening modern ones is a spot on policy. Would she support the | :34:07. | :34:14. | |
reopening of Wellingborough prison, as part of this excellent programme, | :34:15. | :34:22. | |
or would she rather just think Happy Birthday? I'm very happy to wish my | :34:23. | :34:27. | |
honourable friend happy birthday, I hope that Mrs Bone is going to treat | :34:28. | :34:38. | |
the occasion in an appropriate manner! | :34:39. | :34:46. | |
LAUGHTER Can I... Come out... | :34:47. | :34:54. | |
LAUGHTER Order! I want to hear what is coming | :34:55. | :35:02. | |
next! Prime Minister. Calm down, Mr Speaker! On the issue that he | :35:03. | :35:08. | |
raises, the very serious issue he raises about prisons, I welcome the | :35:09. | :35:15. | |
fact that he applauds the policy that we are following of closing out | :35:16. | :35:19. | |
of date prisons and building new prisons. I hear the lobbying he's | :35:20. | :35:23. | |
made in relation to Wellingborough, I assure him that it is one of those | :35:24. | :35:28. | |
sites being considered but the Secretary of State will look at this | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
very carefully and make an announcement in due course. Jeremy | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
Corbyn. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I join with the Prime Minister in | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
commemorating the disaster of Aberfan all those years ago when 118 | :35:43. | :35:47. | |
children died, along with many adults at that time. Many in that | :35:48. | :35:51. | |
community are still living with that tragedy and they will live with that | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
tragedy for the rest of their days. I remember it well as a young person | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
growing up at that time and watching collections for the disaster fund. I | :36:01. | :36:04. | |
think the BBC documentary presented by Hugh Edwards last night was | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
brilliant and poignant and serves to remind us all of what the disaster | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
was about. Mr Speaker, one in four of us will suffer mental health | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
problem, analysis by the Kings fund suggests that 40% of mental health | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
trusts had their budgets cut last year and six have seen their budgets | :36:24. | :36:29. | |
cut for three years in a row. As the Prime Minister really confident that | :36:30. | :36:35. | |
we are delivering parity for mental health? May I first say to the right | :36:36. | :36:39. | |
honourable gentleman that I am also of an age where I remember those | :36:40. | :36:43. | |
terrible scenes on television of what happened in Aberfan. I did not | :36:44. | :36:50. | |
see the whole of the documentary by Huw Edwards but the bits I saw I | :36:51. | :36:53. | |
thought were very poignant as the right honourable gentleman said. And | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
it is interesting that it showed again the issue of those in power | :36:58. | :37:01. | |
not being willing to step up to the plate initially, and accept what had | :37:02. | :37:07. | |
happened. Obviously the result of the enquiry was very clear about | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
where responsibility lay. In relation to the mental health | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
services it is right that we are introducing parity of esteem for | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
mental health in the National Health Service. We have been waiting to | :37:20. | :37:23. | |
come at long for this. It is important that it is being done. But | :37:24. | :37:29. | |
we are investing more in mental health services, an estimated record | :37:30. | :37:33. | |
?11.7 billion. Particularly increasing the number of children's | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
beds overall to the highest number in relation to mental health | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
problems. I think this is important. There is of course more for us to do | :37:42. | :37:46. | |
in looking at mental health but we have made an important start and | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
that funding will be there, as I say. Jeremy Corbyn. Mr Speaker, I | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
have a letter from Colin, a family member office has a chronic mental | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
health condition and he like many others with relatives going through | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
this kind of crisis says this, the NHS is so dramatically underfunded | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
that so often it is left to the underfunded police forces to deal | :38:10. | :38:12. | |
with the consequence of this crisis. Indeed achieve Constable of Devon | :38:13. | :38:16. | |
and Cornwall as this month threatened legal action against the | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
NHS because he is forced to hold people with mental conditions in | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
police cells because there are not enough and beds. I simply ask the | :38:26. | :38:30. | |
Prime Minister this. If the government is committed to parity of | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
esteem why is this trust and so many others facing an acute financial | :38:35. | :38:40. | |
crisis at present? Prime Minister. Can I say to Colin and that we all | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
in this House recognise the difficulty that people have when | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
they are coping with mental health problems and, I commend those in | :38:50. | :38:53. | |
this house who have been prepared to stand up and referred to their own | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
mental health problems. That has been an important signal to people | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
with mental health issues across the country. He raises the question of | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
the interaction between the NHS and police forces. I'm very proud of the | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
fact that when I was secretary I worked with the Department of Health | :39:10. | :39:12. | |
to bring a change to the way in which police forces were dealing | :39:13. | :39:22. | |
with people in mental health prices so that we see those triage pilots | :39:23. | :39:25. | |
out on the street, we see better NHS support being given to police forces | :39:26. | :39:28. | |
so the number of people who are having to be taken to a police cell | :39:29. | :39:32. | |
is a place of safety in some areas, overall it has more than halved, in | :39:33. | :39:36. | |
some areas it has come down by even more than that. This is a result of | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
the action that this government has taken. Jeremy Corbyn. Mr Speaker the | :39:41. | :39:47. | |
reality is that no one with a mental health condition should ever be | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
taken to a police cell. They should be supported in the proper way. I do | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
commend those Police and Crime Commissioner 's that have ended that | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
practice in the areas but the reality is that it isn't just Devon | :40:00. | :40:03. | |
and Cornwall suffering cuts, Norfolk and Suffolk mental health trust has | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
had a cut for every one of its last three years and I agree with the | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
Prime Minister that members of this House openly discussing mental | :40:14. | :40:15. | |
health issues they have had is a great thing because we do need to | :40:16. | :40:21. | |
end the stigma surrounding these conditions across the whole country. | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
But NHS trusts are in a financial crisis. According to NHS providers | :40:27. | :40:32. | |
it seems to be the worst financial crisis in NHS history, 80% of | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
hospitals no endeavours that. There was a time in 2010 when the NHS was | :40:37. | :40:46. | |
in surplus. What has happened? The Prime Minister. I would like to | :40:47. | :40:49. | |
remind him that what has happened with NHS funding is this. We asked | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
the NHS themselves to come up with a five-year plan and say what extra | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
funding was needed to deliver on it. They came up with a five-year plan | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
led by Simon Stevens as chief executive of the NHS. He said it was | :41:05. | :41:08. | |
?8 billion that was needed and we are giving ?10 billion of extra | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
funding to the and adjust. And I might remind the right honourable | :41:15. | :41:20. | |
gentleman that, at the last election, it wasn't the Conservative | :41:21. | :41:23. | |
Party that was refusing to guarantee funding for the NHS, it was the | :41:24. | :41:32. | |
Labour Party! Mr Speaker come in six years, the NHS has gone from surplus | :41:33. | :41:39. | |
to its worst crisis. ?3 billion was wasted on top-down reorganisation | :41:40. | :41:46. | |
and no one wanted and yesterday at the select committee Simon Stevens | :41:47. | :41:49. | |
made it clear that he does not believe that NHS England has enough | :41:50. | :41:52. | |
money to get through the crisis it is facing. Can I offer an analysis | :41:53. | :41:59. | |
from the Care Quality Commission which seemed to have quite a good | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
grasp of what's happening. They save at cuts to adult social care, and I | :42:03. | :42:10. | |
quote, translating to increased A E attendances, emergency missions | :42:11. | :42:13. | |
and delays to people leaving hospital which in turn is affecting | :42:14. | :42:17. | |
the ability of a growing number of trusts to meet their performances | :42:18. | :42:21. | |
and their natural targets, will the Prime Minister also addressed the | :42:22. | :42:29. | |
reckless, counter-productive cuts made. You could Simon Stevens. The | :42:30. | :42:38. | |
time of the Autumn Statement last November he said that their case for | :42:39. | :42:42. | |
the NHS had been hurt actively supported. The right honourable | :42:43. | :42:45. | |
gentleman raises the question of social care and the interaction | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
between health and social care. Over ?5 billion extra was put into the | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
better care of and precisely to deal with these issues. Local authorities | :42:56. | :43:00. | |
are able to raise about 2% of council tax to deal with social care | :43:01. | :43:06. | |
costs that they face. But what is important is the health service and | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
local authorities working together to ensure that they are delivering | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
the best possible service for people who require that social care. I saw | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
a good example of that at Salford Royal on Monday. I want to see more | :43:20. | :43:25. | |
such examples across the NHS, delivering for patients. We have put | :43:26. | :43:28. | |
the funding in. His party would not have done that. We have seen better | :43:29. | :43:37. | |
care for patient Mikes. We all want the government and the local NHS to | :43:38. | :43:41. | |
work well together but the problem is that local government funding has | :43:42. | :43:46. | |
been cut, 400,000 fewer people are receiving publicly funded social | :43:47. | :43:50. | |
care as a consequence, the NHS is having trouble coping with the | :43:51. | :43:55. | |
crisis, therefore, unfortunately there is bed blocking, where acute | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
patients cannot leave because there is no social care available for them | :44:00. | :44:02. | |
down the line. The issue is the funding crisis in the NHS and in | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
local government. The published figures by the NHS Trust show that | :44:09. | :44:13. | |
the total deficit is 2.45 billion but the chief executive says this | :44:14. | :44:20. | |
figure may even be bigger. The government disguises the extent of | :44:21. | :44:22. | |
the crisis through temporary bailouts. They are bailing out, and | :44:23. | :44:37. | |
trust in a crisis, that is not a bad thing but why are they in a crisis | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
in the first place? -- bailing out of trust in a crisis. Next month, Mr | :44:44. | :44:48. | |
Speaker, sustainability and transformation plans are going be | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
published. Many, all over the country, are alarmed by this, | :44:55. | :44:58. | |
because of the threat to accident and emergency departments. Can the | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
Prime Minister deal with this issue now by simply saying there will be | :45:04. | :45:11. | |
no downgrades and no closures of A E departments in the statement next | :45:12. | :45:12. | |
month? Over the course of this Parliament, | :45:13. | :45:22. | |
the government will be spending over half ?1 trillion on the NHS. That is | :45:23. | :45:28. | |
a record level of investment in our National Health Service. But there | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
is a key difference between the way he approaches this and the way that | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
I do. We believe on this side of the house that, at local level, people | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
should be able to make decisions about the NHS, that decisions should | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
be led by clinicians, that it shouldn't be top-down, which is a | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
prep -- which is typical of the Labour Party. Well, Mr Speaker, | :45:50. | :46:02. | |
top-down is what we got. And it cost ?3 billion for a reorganisation that | :46:03. | :46:07. | |
nobody wanted at all. Mr Speaker, I started by asking the Prime Minister | :46:08. | :46:11. | |
about parity of esteem. All this government has produced is parity of | :46:12. | :46:18. | |
failure. Failing mental health patients, failing elderly people who | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
need social care, failing the 4 million on the NHS waiting list, | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
wailing five times as many people waiting more than four hours at A | :46:27. | :46:32. | |
departments, and another winter crisis is looming. The society of | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
acute medicines is it right, I think, when it says, this funding | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
crisis and the local government funding crisis is leaving the NHS on | :46:42. | :46:49. | |
its knees. What has happened in the NHS over the last six years? More | :46:50. | :46:55. | |
patients being treated, more calls to the Ambulance Service, more | :46:56. | :46:58. | |
operations, more doctors, more nurses. That is what has been | :46:59. | :47:04. | |
happening in the NHS. But let's just look at what his party's approach to | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
the NHS is. A former Shadow Health Secretary said, it would be | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
irresponsible to put more money into the NHS. A former leader of the | :47:14. | :47:19. | |
Labour Party wanted to recognise the NHS. -- weapon ise. At every | :47:20. | :47:32. | |
election, the Labour Party claims that the Tories will cut NHS | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
spending. After every election, we increase NHS spending. At every | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
election, Labour claim that the Tories will privatise the NHS. At | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
every election, indictment, we have protected the NHS. -- in government. | :47:48. | :47:53. | |
There is only one party that has cut funding for the NHS, the Labour | :47:54. | :47:55. | |
Party in Wales. Thank you, Mr Speaker. If the Prime | :47:56. | :48:11. | |
Minister aware that research shows that infrastructure investment most | :48:12. | :48:13. | |
benefits area is prepared to capitalise on it, with new | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
associated possibilities in housing, skills and jobs? Will she ensure | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
that current opportunities are taken for inward investment to preserve | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
and we energise essential national industries, like one in the Yeovil | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
area, as we seek to capitalise on the dualling of the A303? My | :48:32. | :48:41. | |
honourable friend is right. We are investing in infrastructure like the | :48:42. | :48:45. | |
A303. It is important that local communities embrace those | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
opportunities. I know that my honourable friend has been putting | :48:51. | :48:52. | |
together ideas for Yeovil and I'm sure he will share those with Mike | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
right honourable friend, the Communities Secretary. I joined the | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
Prime Minister and the leader of the Labour Party in remembering the | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
Aberfan disaster at my thoughts are with everybody affected. Thousands | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
of innocent civilians have now been killed by Saudi air strikes in | :49:10. | :49:13. | |
Yemen. Can the Prime Minister give the house assurance that those | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
civilians have not been killed by pave way missiles, partially | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
manufactured in Scotland, under licence from her government in Saudi | :49:25. | :49:29. | |
Arabia? I congratulate the right honourable gentleman on his election | :49:30. | :49:35. | |
as deputy leader of the SNP. I say to him, as he knows, we have one of | :49:36. | :49:40. | |
the toughest regimes in the world in relation to arms exports. When these | :49:41. | :49:46. | |
allegations arise, we have been pressing, I have pressed in the past | :49:47. | :49:50. | |
and my right honourable friend the Foreign Secretary has pressed the | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
Foreign Secretary, and the Saudi government investigate and learn | :49:57. | :50:01. | |
lessons. It is beyond doubt that the Saudi air force is bombing Yemen, | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
flying planes made in Britain, by pilots trained by Britain and | :50:08. | :50:12. | |
dropping missiles made in Britain. I asked her a direct question and she | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
couldn't answer it. Can she give this house and the assurance that | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
civilians have not been killed by Paveway 4 bombs being dropped on | :50:21. | :50:26. | |
Yemen which are partially manufactured in Scotland under | :50:27. | :50:31. | |
licence by the government? If she doesn't know the answer to that | :50:32. | :50:36. | |
question, how can she possibly in good conscience continue selling | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
them to Saudi Arabia? In response to the right honourable gentleman, the | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
point I made was simple. We press for proper investigations into what | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
has happened on those incidents before we reach a decision or | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
conclusion on what has happened in relation to those incidents. We have | :50:54. | :50:57. | |
a very strong elation chip with Saudi Arabia. It is for this country | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
in terms of dealing with counterterrorism and a number of | :51:03. | :51:05. | |
other issues. What matters when incidents happen which caused | :51:06. | :51:08. | |
concern is that they are properly investigated. A few weeks ago, I | :51:09. | :51:17. | |
thought I'd successfully bought four tickets online for one of my | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
favourite bands, Green Day, only to be told the tickets were unavailable | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
and the gig sold out. Within minutes, I could buy the tickets on | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
another site for twice the price. It turned out the ticket site had been | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
the victim of an attack by organised cats who resold the ticket inflated | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
prices. We'll the Prime Minister asked her ministers to give close | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
consideration to my amendment to be Digital economy act which would make | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
the computerised harvesting of tickets for resale in offence? | :51:51. | :51:54. | |
Similar legislation exists elsewhere and it would go a long way to | :51:55. | :51:57. | |
protecting consumers and genuine music fans. I think my honourable | :51:58. | :52:03. | |
friends for raising this issue. I'm sure he isn't the only member of the | :52:04. | :52:06. | |
spouse who has had that experience and certainly not the only person, | :52:07. | :52:12. | |
as people will know from their constituency mailbags, to have had | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
this experience. As part of the consumer rights act, a review of | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
online ticket sales was introduced. Professor Michael Waterson | :52:23. | :52:25. | |
introduced a report on that. It has produced a number of | :52:26. | :52:28. | |
recommendations, some for the industry to be able to better | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
protect itself, but the government will be looking at the | :52:33. | :52:34. | |
recommendations of that very carefully to see what can be done to | :52:35. | :52:43. | |
address the issue he talks about. The child abuse enquiry needs to | :52:44. | :52:48. | |
regain the trust of survivors. In September, the Home Secretary said | :52:49. | :52:51. | |
she had no information about Syria's leadership failings but on Monday | :52:52. | :52:54. | |
she told the house she had known about serious problems since July. | :52:55. | :52:58. | |
Yesterday it emerged that senior home of this -- Home Office | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
officials were briefed in April this year. She set up the enquiry and | :53:05. | :53:10. | |
pointed the chair. She was the individual responsible for the | :53:11. | :53:13. | |
enquiry's success. She was the Home Secretary in April and she was the | :53:14. | :53:18. | |
only person who had the power to act. Can she now finally tell us | :53:19. | :53:23. | |
when she personally learned of the serious problems developing in this | :53:24. | :53:29. | |
enquiry and why it was that she took no action at all? Can I say, I | :53:30. | :53:35. | |
recognise that the honourable lady has taken a particular interest in | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
this issue and I'm sure she will recognise, as I hope other members | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
of this house do, why it is I set up the enquiry. For too long, people | :53:45. | :53:51. | |
who had been to child... For too long, people who had been subjected | :53:52. | :53:56. | |
to child sexual abuse had their voices going unheard and they felt | :53:57. | :54:01. | |
they were not getting justice. That is why it is very important that the | :54:02. | :54:05. | |
enquiry is able to continue and find that justice for them. I have to say | :54:06. | :54:11. | |
to the honourable lady that one of the important aspects of this is | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
that, over the years, too many people have had concerns that people | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
in positions of power have intervened to stop them from getting | :54:20. | :54:26. | |
justice. There were stories around about the enquiry and about | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
individuals related to the enquiry, but the Home Secretary cannot | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
intervene on the basis of suspicion, rumour or hearsay. She refers to the | :54:35. | :54:42. | |
statement made yesterday in this house. She refers to the statement | :54:43. | :54:45. | |
made yesterday in this house about information being discussed with the | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
director-general in the Home Office. She will also have noted that that | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
conversation was asked to be confidential, and as far as I'm | :54:56. | :54:59. | |
aware it was treated as such. I think it is important for us to | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
recognise that, when the Home Office was officially informed of issues, | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
the Home Office acted. It's now for the enquiry to get on and deliver | :55:09. | :55:15. | |
for victims and survivors. Having been born and growing up in south | :55:16. | :55:22. | |
Wales and as a former Secretary of State for Wales, can I associate | :55:23. | :55:25. | |
myself with the heartfelt tributes that have been paid by the front | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
bench to the community of Aberfan and throughout this house. It was a | :55:31. | :55:35. | |
tragedy that was unparalleled and it stunned the world. Can the Prime | :55:36. | :55:37. | |
Minister in her own words step up to the plate and reconfirm her | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
commitment to Wales and to ensuring that her government works with the | :55:44. | :55:48. | |
Welsh government, particularly after leaving the EU, to maintain the | :55:49. | :55:52. | |
levels of investment that so vital to the long-term social and economic | :55:53. | :55:55. | |
development of the valleys communities and rest of Wales? I say | :55:56. | :56:01. | |
to my right honourable friend that, as a former Secretary of State for | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
Wales, she is well aware of the impact the Aberfan disaster at an | :56:06. | :56:10. | |
south Wales and those local communities and, as I said in my | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
opening remarks, these events were tragic and the thoughts of the whole | :56:15. | :56:17. | |
house with those who were affected by them. I can give that commitment | :56:18. | :56:22. | |
she is asking for, of this government to Wales and working with | :56:23. | :56:26. | |
the Welsh government. I am clear this government is going to deliver | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
a country that works for every part of the UK. The Wales Bill will | :56:31. | :56:37. | |
transfer a historic transfer of powers to be Welsh Assembly. It will | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
allow the Welsh government to focus on the job of transforming the Welsh | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
economy, and we are talking to them about how we are going to go forward | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
in relation to negotiations for leaving the EU. Progress today has | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
been very slow. Can I appeal to colleagues to speed up. Much | :56:54. | :57:02. | |
obliged. Can there be a single member of this house who does not | :57:03. | :57:05. | |
have reason to be grateful to those heroes of our high street, the | :57:06. | :57:11. | |
community pharmacist. And can there be any member of the public who is | :57:12. | :57:15. | |
not as bemused as I am by the fact that the government is proposing a | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
12% cut in the community pharmacy budgets, potentially leading to 3000 | :57:22. | :57:26. | |
closures? Will be Prime Minister today express her support for | :57:27. | :57:29. | |
community pharmacy and have another look at this divisive, corrosive and | :57:30. | :57:35. | |
destructive proposal? I think everybody in this house recognises | :57:36. | :57:43. | |
the role and contribution of community pharmacies up and down the | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
country, but it's also right that we look at how we are spending NHS | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
money. That is why the government is looking at this issue. If the | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
honourable gentleman supports community pharmacies, perhaps he | :57:58. | :58:00. | |
ought to have a word with his right honourable friend, the Leader of the | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
Opposition, because his policy is to completely nationalised the health | :58:05. | :58:10. | |
system, lock, stock and barrel, GP surgeries, Macmillan nurses and GP | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
pharmacies. Next week, this government will finally make a | :58:16. | :58:18. | |
decision on airport capacity in the south-east, something that eluded | :58:19. | :58:22. | |
three of her predecessors and will help boost trade. Does the Prime | :58:23. | :58:26. | |
Minister agree that on this issue substance matters more? Will she | :58:27. | :58:29. | |
outlined her timetable for indentation? He is right, this month | :58:30. | :58:38. | |
this government will take a decision on the appropriate site for expanded | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
airport capacity in the south-east. This is a subject that's been | :58:42. | :58:46. | |
debated, discussed, speculated on for 40 years. This government will | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
take a decision. But there is a formal process that has to be | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
undertaken, so the government will identify its proposed option | :58:55. | :59:00. | |
off-site -- of sight. That will go to a statutory consultation. The | :59:01. | :59:03. | |
government will consider the results of that and bring forward an | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
airports national planning statement on which this house will vote. Does | :59:08. | :59:16. | |
the Prime Minister agree that any move to close the historic barracks | :59:17. | :59:19. | |
at Fort George would not only be a poor military decision after 250 | :59:20. | :59:25. | |
years of service but a betrayal of the Black Watch and a slap in the | :59:26. | :59:30. | |
face to the Highlands? I say to the honourable gentleman that I | :59:31. | :59:34. | |
recognised the strength of the view he has put forward. No decisions on | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
Fort George or other locations have been taken and the Ministry of | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
Defence will engage with all parties impacted by any decisions that it | :59:42. | :59:45. | |
takes of this sort, including in Scotland. My right honourable friend | :59:46. | :59:53. | |
has been expressing some reluctance to submit even the broad plans for | :59:54. | :59:57. | |
future negotiations with the EU to this house because of worries it | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
might weaken her government's negotiating position. As she noticed | :00:02. | :00:06. | |
that this week one or more Brexiteer members of her Cabinet have been | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
briefing the newspapers copiously on every proposal being put forward in | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
papers to be relevant Cabinet committee by their colleagues, and | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
launching political attacks on their Cabinet colleagues, who seemed to | :00:21. | :00:25. | |
disagree with them? Will she take firm action to stop this process, | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
and will she also agree that the proper approach is Parliamentary | :00:30. | :00:35. | |
scrutiny of the broad strategy once the government has reached agreement | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
on what it should be? I say to my right honourable friend that the | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
government is very clear that the vote on June the 23rd was a vote to | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
ensure that we had control of movement of people from the EU into | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
the UK, but also we want to see the best possible access for businesses | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
for trading in goods and services with an operating within that | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
European market. That is what the government will be aiming for and we | :01:01. | :01:04. | |
will be ambitious in that. Parliament will have its say. These | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
are going to be lengthy negotiations over the course of two years or | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
more. Parliament will have its say in a variety of ways, not least in | :01:12. | :01:17. | |
relation to the great repeal bill. Some of my constituents have had | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
their tax credits suddenly stopped by concentric and have been accused | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
of being in a relationship with previous tenants of their homes, who | :01:27. | :01:30. | |
they have never even met. In some cases, they have been accused of | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
being in a relationship with members of their own families and told to | :01:35. | :01:40. | |
prove they are not. This Kafka-esque situation is causing deep distress | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
and hardship among working mothers in my constituency. This is what the | :01:44. | :01:49. | |
Prime Minister means by being on the side of working people? What is she | :01:50. | :01:52. | |
going to do to put it right? The right honourable lady raises an | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
issue which is of concern to members across this house. Making sure that | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
those who are being assessed are being assessed properly and the | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
decisions and right decisions are taken. The Department for Work and | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
Pensions is looking at the process of what should be done and how both | :02:11. | :02:18. | |
assessment should be taken. I say to her that I hoped she would welcome | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
the fact that this government has said that, for those with long-term | :02:22. | :02:25. | |
conditions that are not going to improve, we will not be putting them | :02:26. | :02:29. | |
through the regular assessments they had under her government | :02:30. | :02:41. | |
apprenticeships from EDF has just been launched at the Bridgewater and | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
Taunton college. And we do want to see every | :02:44. | :03:22. | |
generation of nuclear expertise in the industry. The Prime Minister is | :03:23. | :03:30. | |
celebrated her 65th birthday but will not retire. It is her choice. | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
Yet she is denying that same choice to many of my constituents, women | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
like Christina, who has worked every bit as hard as the Prime Minister | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
but will have to now work an extra six years. When will she do the | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
right thing and give these women there transitional... So that they | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
can also make the choices that she has enjoys? The honourable lady | :03:58. | :04:01. | |
knows that we have transition arrangements in place, that action | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
was taken by the government to ensure that the period of time that | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
the pension aged changed would be no more than 18 months compared to the | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
previous timetable and for 81% of women affected by the 2011 change it | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
will be no more than 12 months. Heidi Allen. Thank you, Mr Speaker, | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
the unemployment figures results today are fantastic news yet I worry | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
about the economic volatility that could come as a consequence of | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
Brexit potentially inflation rising and the cost of living going up for | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
people on modest wages, does the Prime Minister agree we need to keep | :04:38. | :04:40. | |
as many people in a plummet as possible and need to make the right | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
decision of tax credits, could I urge you to look at those cuts | :04:45. | :04:47. | |
embedded in universal credit and make sure we know what it will do to | :04:48. | :04:55. | |
people trying to get work in this Autumn Statement. My right | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
honourable friend is right say this, I'm very proud of the record that | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
the government has over the last six years of getting more people into | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
work so that there are now hundreds of thousands fewer households with | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
no work income coming into the household. That is extremely | :05:14. | :05:17. | |
important and the point of universal credit is to be able to ensure that | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
the transition from benefits into work as a transition that means that | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
people do have benefit if they are out of work rows this system means | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
that for some people there were better off on benefits, we want to | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
see people in work and that is a system is there to encourage. Mr | :05:37. | :05:44. | |
Speaker been asking questions for 15 months and this government is | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
appalling to child policy and rape close, from one feminist to another | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
how can the Prime Minister justify putting vulnerable women to the | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
trauma of proving that the third child has been born as a result of | :05:58. | :06:02. | |
rape? We have been very clear that women with a third child as a result | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
of rape would not be subject to the limit being considered in relation | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
to benefits. I absolutely recognise that the honourable lady is making a | :06:12. | :06:19. | |
point on how this would affect individuals who have been through | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
the trauma of rape. That is why the government is taking its time, is | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
considering this, consulting on this at the moment and looking at how we | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
can make sure we do this in the right way. Sir who goes quiet. Thank | :06:31. | :06:38. | |
you, Mr Speaker, given the increasing relevance of the | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
Commonwealth in terms of trade were the Prime Minister give her support | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
to the first ever meeting of Commonwealth trade ministers in the | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
UK next year and will she commit when she goes to India next month to | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
persuade the Indian Prime Minister to attend in the UK in 2018? I am | :06:53. | :07:00. | |
happy to encourage all leaders to attend the event when it takes place | :07:01. | :07:06. | |
in the UK. I can assure my right honourable friend that we are | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
looking at the possibility of trade deals in relation to the | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
Commonwealth and I to applaud that first ever meeting of Commonwealth | :07:13. | :07:16. | |
trade metres which is an important step as we look to forging a new | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
global role in the world, ensuring we are making a success of trading | :07:21. | :07:30. | |
around the world. Local authorities are clear that the removal of 24 | :07:31. | :07:34. | |
hour maternity services in my area will cost lives and this is a | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
decision the government will have to make. Will the Prime Minister please | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
commit to visiting my constituency to see the effect of the decision | :07:42. | :07:45. | |
upon West Cumbrian families and children. I say to the honourable | :07:46. | :07:52. | |
gentleman, this is not the first time he's raised his concerns in | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
relation to this hospital. Can I say that the point of the way in which | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
we are approaching this is that decisions are taken and generated | :08:00. | :08:03. | |
from the local level. It is at the local level that they will look for | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
services necessary to people to ensure they can provide the services | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
needed and safe services for people of his constituency and other parts | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
of Cumbria. Sir Robert Neill. The tragic murder of one prisoner and | :08:18. | :08:22. | |
the critical winding of two others in Pentonville prison last might | :08:23. | :08:25. | |
bring some start to the declining safety and presence. Will the Prime | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
Minister give the Secretary of State for Justice full support in | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
commissioning a thorough and complete review of the operational, | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
managerial capacity of leadership of the service which has signally | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
failed to arrest this declining situation? This is a matter which is | :08:44. | :08:48. | |
one of the very first issue is that my right honourable friend the | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
Justice Secretary raised with me which was the question of violence | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
in prisons and safety in prisons. That is why my right honourable | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
friend is looking across-the-board and the action needed to be taken | :09:00. | :09:05. | |
and has announced extra money to the staff in prisons because she | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
recognises the importance of this issue. Lucy Powell. Thank you Mr | :09:09. | :09:14. | |
Speaker, one in every 1000 pupils has three meals in grammar schools. | :09:15. | :09:17. | |
Does the Prime Minister agree with me that this tiny number is flimsy | :09:18. | :09:24. | |
evidence base on which to create a new national schools policy. | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
Watching the better looking at the real evidence of how we reduce | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
inequality in education? -- would she not be better looking about? I | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
want to see every child getting the education right for them, every | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
child able to get on as far as their talents and hard work will them. | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
That is why we need to increase the number of good schools in this | :09:46. | :09:55. | |
country. If you look at the gap in attainment between those who are | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
from disadvantaged backgrounds and those not in grammar schools it is | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
virtually zero. That's not the same in other schools. I say to the | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
honourable lady that I think it is wrong that we have a system in this | :10:09. | :10:14. | |
country where we have a law that prevents the opening or expansion of | :10:15. | :10:18. | |
good schools, that is what we will get rid of. Pauline Latham. Will the | :10:19. | :10:26. | |
premise to work with her secretaries of state to try to reduce the amount | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
of ivory trade and trade of endangered species throughout the | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
world, to try to lead by example from this country? My honourable | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
friend raises an important issue, this is something the government has | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
been taken up and I can assure her not only has my right honourable | :10:46. | :10:51. | |
friend the Foreign Secretary heard them that has promoted that this is | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
an issue the government will take up. The pottery industry is | :10:54. | :11:01. | |
witnessing a modest Renaissance partly through EU exports and action | :11:02. | :11:05. | |
on Chinese ceramic dumping. The previous prime ministers said he | :11:06. | :11:08. | |
would make sure that the ceramic industry's voice is heard and we | :11:09. | :11:12. | |
would get a good negotiation. What is this Prime Minister doing to make | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
sure that Stoke-on-Trent ceramic manufacturers maintain tariff free | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
access to the EU and a level playing field in the face of protectionist | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
dumping? I say to the honourable gentleman that I am pleased to | :11:28. | :11:30. | |
welcome the Renaissance in the ceramics industry that he refers to. | :11:31. | :11:37. | |
His constituency has a long-standing history and tradition in ceramics. | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
What are we doing as we go through the negotiations were leaving the | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
European Union we will ensure that this country has the best possible | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
access to trade with and operate within that European market. That is | :11:48. | :11:55. | |
what people want. Many constituents have expressed concern to me of | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
anti-Semitism. I'm sure that every member of this House will agree that | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
we should show its zero tolerance. Does the Prime Minister also agree | :12:05. | :12:12. | |
that all parties should not allow a situation to arise where it appears | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
that an environment is created when anti-Semitism is tolerated? | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
Liverpool Prime Minister? I absolutely agree with my honourable | :12:22. | :12:26. | |
friend that this House should send a clear message that we won't tolerate | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
anti-Semitism. I have been concerned about the rise we have seen in the | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
number of anti-Semitic incidents in this country. We should ensure that | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
those incidents are properly investigated and dealt with and give | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
that clear message that we want tolerated. But that has to be every | :12:42. | :12:48. | |
political party in this chamber. And I ask the right honourable | :12:49. | :12:52. | |
gentleman, the Leader of the Opposition, given the report of the | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
select committee of this House about anti-Semitism and the approach to | :12:57. | :12:59. | |
anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, he needs to think very carefully | :13:00. | :13:02. | |
about the environment being created in the Labour Party in relation to | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
anti-Semitism. Andy Burnham. We are one such man and -- we one month | :13:09. | :13:16. | |
from the inquest into the Birmingham pub bombings, the west midlands fund | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
has a fund of ?1 million yet the bereaved families have no legal | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
funding. This is a shameful state of affairs. Please intervene and show | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
the Birmingham families the same compassion that was shown to the | :13:30. | :13:32. | |
Hillsborough families. The right honourable gentleman may be aware | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
that the Birmingham families have been encouraged to apply and I | :13:37. | :13:40. | |
believe they have applied to the legal aid fund for the exceptional | :13:41. | :13:44. | |
funds. That was as I understand what happened after the 7/7 bombings. The | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
Home Secretary has made clear her expectation that funding will be | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
provided. We await the decision from the legal aid fund. We hope that | :13:54. | :14:00. | |
decision be for certificate. -- will be positive. Why build a new runway | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
at Heathrow when we could deliver one at Gatwick for a fraction of the | :14:06. | :14:11. | |
time and the cost. May I assure my right honourable friend that no | :14:12. | :14:14. | |
decision has been taken on the site of airport expansion on the | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
south-east. As she will know from her previous background that Davis | :14:19. | :14:22. | |
commission said that airport capacity should be expected, the | :14:23. | :14:30. | |
Davis commission identified three sites all of which they said would | :14:31. | :14:35. | |
be credible and deliverable. I feel it is fitting that we finish with a | :14:36. | :14:40. | |
question from Mr Gerard Jones. Could I first thank the Prime Minister and | :14:41. | :14:43. | |
the Leader of the Opposition and other members for their comments on | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
the Aberfan disaster and the resilience and quiet dignity shown | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
by the people of Aberfan. On Friday morning at 915, on the anniversary | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
of the disaster the people of that community along with communities of | :14:57. | :15:00. | |
Wales will mark that disaster with one minute's silence. Could I ask | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
the Prime Minister if she would support that moment of silence being | :15:05. | :15:08. | |
marked as the disaster affected communities across the country, if | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
not the world, that that moment of silence be marked across the UK. I | :15:13. | :15:18. | |
say to the honourable gentleman, I know the Secretary of State for | :15:19. | :15:22. | |
Wales will attend the memorial in his constituency on Friday. I think | :15:23. | :15:26. | |
it is appropriate that we all mark and show our respect for those who | :15:27. | :15:29. | |
lost their lives and the families who suffered as a result of the | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
tragedy that took place 50 years ago in Aberfan. It was, as we said | :15:36. | :15:41. | |
earlier, terrible tragedy not just for families but for community and I | :15:42. | :15:43. | |
think it is right that we recognise Prime Minister's Questions comes to | :15:44. | :15:55. | |
an end. I think that maybe a record for us. It started a bit late, but | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
it is only quarter to one now. Jeremy Corbyn began with a specific | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
question about spending on mental health, about budgets being cut, but | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
he then moved on and, as a consequence, he gave an example of | :16:10. | :16:13. | |
people being held in police cells because there was no room in | :16:14. | :16:17. | |
hospitals, but he then moved onto the more general issue of health | :16:18. | :16:20. | |
funding and whether, despite the rise is the government says its | :16:21. | :16:24. | |
making, it was enough to cope with the demand. There were a number of | :16:25. | :16:27. | |
exchanges between the Prime Minister and Leader of the Opposition on | :16:28. | :16:33. | |
that. There were also two other developments. Angus Robertson for | :16:34. | :16:37. | |
the SNP asked the Prime Minister if she could be sure that the civilians | :16:38. | :16:40. | |
who'd been killed in bombing in Yemen why Saudi Arabian air force | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
had not been done so by British missiles. It isn't clear what the | :16:46. | :16:52. | |
Prime Minister's answer was. It was clear she didn't really know. Quite | :16:53. | :16:55. | |
a hard question but she couldn't answer it. Lisa Nandy, a backbench | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
Labour MP, asked about the Goddard enquiry into child abuse, which has | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
been surrounded by controversy, with the New Zealand judge resigning, yet | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
another, and we are on to the fourth judge now. The Prime Minister said | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
she had heard rumours that all was not well but that it was not her job | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
to act on rumours when she was Home Secretary. I think that will not be | :17:22. | :17:27. | |
the end of it. We may see where that goes from here. We will hear from | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
our panel in a minute. For that, let's get some e-mails. Viewers | :17:35. | :17:37. | |
picked up on the debate at the dispatch box about health spending. | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
Jeffery says, while both the Prime Minister and Mr Corbyn are right to | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
be concerned in regard to the issue of mental health, I wish they'd stop | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
using the best health system in the world as a political football. Alan | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
said, isn't it time there was a review into what services the NHS | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
should and shouldn't provide instead of continuously throwing money at | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
it. John from Leeds said, surprised to hear the Prime Minister during | :18:04. | :18:08. | |
the word top-down justifying her own government's action, but whatever is | :18:09. | :18:11. | |
spent on the NHS will never be enough and the sooner the government | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
-- the sooner Labour start admitting this the better. Mrs May on rocky | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
ground, says Ian from Altrincham. They have funded the NHS but they | :18:23. | :18:26. | |
have cut social care meaning the NHS is having to deal with things that | :18:27. | :18:32. | |
social -- local authorities should Peter says, Corbyn had a good PMQs. | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
The gloss is falling of the Prime Minister at a rate of knots. We've | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
only got about five minutes. Lots of tricky issues, Theresa May with lots | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
of things saying, a decision will be taken later or I can't give you | :18:48. | :18:54. | |
those details. Two Pandora's box -- boxes. Theresa May implied that she | :18:55. | :19:00. | |
had been told something of the problems with the Goddard enquiry | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
into historical child abuse. She said she couldn't act on hearsay, | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
rumour or suspicion, but that was a tacit admission and it will be | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
interesting to see how that is clarified during the day that she | :19:13. | :19:14. | |
knew something of what was going wrong. It was her enquiry. Second, | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
this may have been a Mr big, as it is sometimes known but, when was | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
asked about Brexit, she said there would be lengthy negotiations over | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
the course of two years, talking about Article 50, and more. That has | :19:30. | :19:35. | |
set a hare running. Did the prime ministers sit -- give away her view | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
that it will take more than two years, or was it just said in the | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
heat of the moment? I think that is something that we will be trying to | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
get the bottom of whether she was implying that the whole process, | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
congregated, tricky, tortuous, is going to take longer than two years. | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
It can take longer unless all other 27 members agree. Yes, it's up to | :19:58. | :20:04. | |
the other member states to vote. It's a complicated issue. Comment on | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
PMQs as a whole, is often theatre, but this was a good PMQs with lots | :20:10. | :20:15. | |
of important questions. On the Brexit aspect, the Prime Minister | :20:16. | :20:18. | |
made it very clear that we will work hard for the best possible access | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
for our businesses, but also the vote was clear to say that Britain | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
wants to control its borders and that's what we want to work towards. | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
You have just come back from Saudi Arabia. RB Saudis using British | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
defence equipment to bomb civilians in Yemen? -- are the Saudis. That an | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
operational question. We do sell arms to Saudi Arabia. This is a | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
legitimate war taking place, endorsed by the United Nations | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
resolution supporting the president. It's important to recognise that | :20:55. | :20:57. | |
Saudi Arabians have made mistakes but they have also put their hand up | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
to it. We had the Foreign Minister in Parliament, the best place to | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
answer questions, to be held to account, and he made it very clear | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
that we are having difficulties in getting it wrong and we need to get | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
it right but we need British help to make sure that we can correct the | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
errors that have been happening. It an operational matter if it's an | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
error and the Allies in Syria and Iraq made mistakes as well. It's not | :21:25. | :21:31. | |
an operational matter if it's part of the Saudi strategy in the Yemen | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
to bomb civilians. You are right, which is why I went to Riyadh last | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
week to tell them that they need to come out with a report immediately. | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
They did that, it was released at the weekend, and they put their hand | :21:45. | :21:47. | |
up saying it was a breach of standard operating procedures and | :21:48. | :21:52. | |
somebody will fall on their sword. There are now disciplinary actions, | :21:53. | :21:54. | |
support and compensation is coming in to the victims. So they did | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
intentionally bombed... We have made errors as well. Was it an error, was | :22:00. | :22:06. | |
it a mistake? Was it collateral damage? Was it a deliberate attack | :22:07. | :22:14. | |
on civilians? It was a deliberate error made by an individual who | :22:15. | :22:21. | |
needs to be disciplined. So this individual deliberately attacked | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
civilians. There was a choice to breach decisions. Riyadh said the | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
attack shouldn't take place but it did. That is why this report will | :22:28. | :22:31. | |
clarify exactly what's going to happen. It's important that Saudi | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
Arabia, which hasn't been good at communicating these things, is able | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
to come forward not just on this but their outstanding investigations we | :22:42. | :22:44. | |
are all waiting to hear more details on. What was your take on PMQs? I | :22:45. | :22:51. | |
thought it was a good day for Jeremy Corbyn, picking up the NHS, which is | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
clearly in meltdown at the moment. Not only the financial loss, but I | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
was a commissioner for 20 years in the NHS and I know that waiting | :23:01. | :23:07. | |
times have escalated, 44 ambulances, any services, really in crisis. We | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
are about further rationing, further planned cuts to services under these | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
sustainable transformation plans. The reality is that it is the system | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
that broken. The health and social care act put the wrong financial | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
drivers in the system and it drove everybody into A rather than | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
commitment to the community to stop the machine will keep gobbling | :23:30. | :23:32. | |
money. It's about making sure the money goes to the right place. Under | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
this reorganisation, it's going to the most expensive part of the | :23:38. | :23:41. | |
health service, so that is why we have got the crisis. Which is the | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
hospitals. Absolutely, the acute care. I had a mental health hospital | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
shut in my constituency in three working days, so people were spread | :23:52. | :23:54. | |
throughout the region in a mental health crisis. The system has been | :23:55. | :24:00. | |
broken for far too long and we don't see parity. It is there enough | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
standing at the dispatch box saying parity of esteem. We need to see | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
resourcing and care put in an investment into mental health. Sorry | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
to rush in. We need to move on. We are short of time. Laura, to see | :24:15. | :24:15. | |
you. Now, of all the big Brexit issues | :24:16. | :24:18. | |
none has more gravity than its possible impact | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
on Premiership football. Players and managers | :24:22. | :24:23. | |
could not avoid being asked for their thoughts in the wake | :24:24. | :24:25. | |
of the referendum result. Of course, it's hard not to know | :24:26. | :24:27. | |
that it's gone on but it's something that I've not really thought too | :24:28. | :24:30. | |
much about yet. Obviously I'm focusing | :24:31. | :24:33. | |
on the Euros and what's ahead. Nobody I don't think knows | :24:34. | :24:35. | |
what's going to happen. From my point of view, | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
I'm just going to wait and see And then it was around again, | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
around the Brexit decision, things, OK, England, | :24:46. | :24:56. | |
what will happen, and I really, I like giving a sign | :24:57. | :24:58. | |
we are still Europe. Whatever happens, we are still | :24:59. | :25:04. | |
Europe. We are quite different in a lot | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
of things, especially what we eat and so on, | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
but we are really similar. And Brexit is not an issue that has | :25:11. | :25:14. | |
escaped the interest of the creators of the hit computer | :25:15. | :25:19. | |
game Football Manager. Players of the 2017 edition | :25:20. | :25:22. | |
will have to grapple with different Brexit scenarios as part | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
of the game. And its director, Miles | :25:26. | :25:28. | |
Jacobson, joins me now. Why? Because it's important. It's | :25:29. | :25:40. | |
something that will be happening. There's nothing we can do to stop | :25:41. | :25:44. | |
it. The vote has happened, people have spoken, and it will affect | :25:45. | :25:48. | |
football. I don't think people thought about these kind of things | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
before the vote. They didn't have this information. If we can't bring | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
in players from the EU any more and we stick to the current work permit | :25:57. | :26:02. | |
system that we have, it would mean players like N'Golo Kante and | :26:03. | :26:05. | |
Dimitri Payet, two of the best players in the Premier League last | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
season... And most of the high-profile managers. They would | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
not be able to get work permits. We sat and looked at every possible | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
scenario, including soft Brexit scenarios where you can still bring | :26:20. | :26:21. | |
in players through freedom of movement for workers, through too | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
hard Brexit options, where you will be limited to a quota of the number | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
of foreign players you could have in the squad. Is that true? Is that a | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
possible scenario, that we won't be able to get amazing football | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
managers and players on work our midst? It's not my department, but I | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
would be astonished. We can be proud of one of the best leagues in the | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
world. People want to come to the UK because of what happens here. Play | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
this game, but don't use it as a guidance to what EU legislation is | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
all about. We need good players to be able to come here and make sure | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
we retain that position of having the best Premier League in the | :27:04. | :27:07. | |
world. Do you think your players will be interested? By the reaction | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
we have had since we announced it, I think so. Sometimes people don't | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
realise how engage the public are. I think we got an indication from the | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
referendum result. Absolutely. The scenario is in the game. The | :27:26. | :27:30. | |
scenario is in the game of being able to get them. Thank you. Maybe | :27:31. | :27:39. | |
if we had to have more home-grown talent we might have a national team | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
worth its salt. I don't care about football, but I thought I'd throw | :27:45. | :27:47. | |
that out. I thought you were an expert. | :27:48. | :27:48. | |
There's just time to put you out of your misery and give | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
I forget what the giveaway was. It was Maggie Thatcher at the window. | :27:52. | :28:11. | |
With Norman Tebbit. Got you. Rachel, press that red button. You've no | :28:12. | :28:15. | |
idea what will happen. It's not true. You do know. Well done, | :28:16. | :28:24. | |
George. You have won that. I didn't realise it was 1987. Thank you, | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
Miles, for coming in. We will see how your game goes down and which | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
scenario is the most popular. Very educational. Manager of AFC | :28:36. | :28:42. | |
Bournemouth. Some have been doing scenario planning for years. | :28:43. | :28:43. | |
The One O'Clock News is starting over on BBC One now. | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
Jo and I will be here at noon tomorrow with all the big political | :28:49. | :28:52. |