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Hello, and welcome to the Daily Politics. | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
Change is in the air, says Theresa May, as she warns | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
businesses they have to behave responsibly if they want | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
She's been addressing business leaders at the CBI's annual | :00:45. | :00:49. | |
conference this morning, but has she already backed away | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
from controversial plans to put workers on company boards? | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
Jeremy Corbyn accuses the Government of fanning the flames | :00:58. | :00:59. | |
of fear over immigration, and says he won't | :01:00. | :01:01. | |
But will his own policy win over the voters? | :01:02. | :01:07. | |
There's been a surprise result as French voters choose | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
the centre-right candidate for presidential | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
So is this man on course to win, and what does it mean | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
And Donald Trump thinks Scotland's a special place, | :01:20. | :01:25. | |
but it's not just because he owns a golf course there. | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
We'll be talking about the Scottish roots of the President-elect. | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
All that in the next hour, and with us for the whole | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
of the programme today it's the Conservative | :01:40. | :01:41. | |
MEP Daniel Hannan - he's been described as the man | :01:42. | :01:44. | |
who brought you Brexit - and the Labour MP Cat Smith - | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
she only entered Parliament last year, but she's already joined | :01:47. | :01:49. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's top team as Shadow Minister | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
First today, let's turn to France, where ex-President Nicolas Sarkozy | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
has been knocked out of a primary to choose the presidential | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
candidate of the centre-right Republican party. | :02:03. | :02:04. | |
The surprise result has put Francois Fillon, | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
who served as Mr Sarkozy's prime minister, in poll position to win | :02:11. | :02:12. | |
He faces Alain Juppe, another ex-Prime Minister | :02:13. | :02:17. | |
The winner will compete in next year's presidential election, | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
and if the polls are to be believed they are likely to end up competing | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
for France's top job against far-right leader Marine Le | :02:27. | :02:28. | |
Well, to find out more we're joined by our correspondent | :02:29. | :02:32. | |
How much of an upset was this? Well, it was supposed to be for many in | :02:33. | :02:45. | |
Cirque du Soleil's circle. The -- Sexual Assault Referral Centre | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
circle, some thought he would never come back, he had given reasons for | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
why for example that he didn't appear prompt innocent in politics | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
after he served as President during the time of the global financial | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
crisis, his point he was making was, he was at a loss because of events | :03:02. | :03:09. | |
he could not control. He tried to become President in gone 12. He says | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
he didn't go as right-wing as he wanted to. He went all out. Some | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
would see him taking an approach of Marine Le Pen, looking at Donald | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
Trump as well. He said things he like he wanted to see the banning of | :03:23. | :03:28. | |
the burqa on the beaches of France, the banning of the anybody cab in | :03:29. | :03:32. | |
school, if you refused to eat pork you wouldn't be able to have special | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
school meals as children through school. He had taken what should | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
woman say, particular nationalistic, pop his tick approach and it didn't | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
work. We have the two men, Francois Fillon, a. Toer Prime Minister who | :03:45. | :03:49. | |
wants to make his own reformed and Alain Juppe. The older politician a | :03:50. | :03:54. | |
former Prime Minister. What about the five referendums that have been | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
suggested, what are they? Well, this is something that Francois Fillon | :04:00. | :04:03. | |
wants to see, that he said he wants to see from everything from a | :04:04. | :04:06. | |
referendum when it comes to immigration, when it comes to the | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
domestic issues like the budget, and he has questioned the idea of an | :04:12. | :04:15. | |
agreement with the UK, the current situation when it comes to call lay | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
and the border police, British border police being on the French | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
side. These are some of the different reforms, the five | :04:25. | :04:28. | |
referendums he wans to see and he is notable Francois Fillon, he takes a | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
more pro-Russian stance than any of the other EU leaders, he criticised | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
Nato for saying it was meddling, exacerbating the problem with | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
Russia, so I think he will be a different face, and a face that many | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
would see if he were to make it the through as President, as perhaps | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
unpredictable on that front as Donald Trump, and he is somebody who | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
would, with links to the UK who has been called a Thatcherite. Someone | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
who wants to cut the civil service, he wants to reduce what he sees are | :04:59. | :05:03. | |
the inflexibility of the French working week, so make overtime | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
possible, the talk of working on a Sunday as well. It so there is a lot | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
of changes he wants to make, whereas who he is up against next Sunday, | :05:11. | :05:15. | |
the run off for their party in the Presidential debate is going to be | :05:16. | :05:20. | |
Alain Juppe, seen as more safe pair of hands but perhaps some would say | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
that is his curse as well. Thank you very much. | :05:25. | :05:27. | |
Do you welcome the fact Francois Fillon topped that poll and could | :05:28. | :05:33. | |
face Marine Le Pen rather than Alain Juppe. Yes, he will be what France | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
needs. He is a reformer. The fact of France is the French state has not | :05:40. | :05:45. | |
had a balanced budget since 1974. No-one has really tried to tackle | :05:46. | :05:50. | |
that. You know, we have an immediate interest, in the prosperity of | :05:51. | :05:55. | |
France. They are friends and allies and prosperous neighbours make good | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
customer, I am cautiously optimistic, it threw up the result | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
that was needed. Do you think he can beat Marine Le Pen? I hope, so | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
because Marine Le Pen has set her face against any reform, apart from | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
what she says about migration and so on, she is also well to the left of | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
the socialist whence it comes to economics, she wants hiring pensions | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
and higher Social Security spending and so on, and we are separated by a | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
short stretch of water. France in economic collapse is bound to be bad | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
for us whereas recovering is good for us. Cat to the left of the | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
socialist whence it comes to economics, she wants hiring pensions | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
and higher Social Security spending and so on, and we are separated by a | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
short stretch of water. France in economic collapse is bound to be bad | :06:42. | :06:44. | |
for us whereas recovering is good for us. Cat Smith, do you think to | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
the left of the socialist whence it comes to economics, she wants hiring | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
pensions and higher Social Security spending and so on, and we are | :06:50. | :06:52. | |
separated by a short stretch of water. France in economic collapse | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
is bound to be bad for us whereas recovering is good for us. Cat | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
Smith, do you think a "Quick divorce account "Would be good for the UK? | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
It would be better to have a full two-year negotiation, I don't think | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
a quick divorce to use the quote would be necessarily the advantage | :07:03. | :07:05. | |
of the UK, what has been thrown up in the French elections is that this | :07:06. | :07:08. | |
is the time to not be an establishment candidate, I think | :07:09. | :07:09. | |
that the voters across western Europe are looking for outsiders and | :07:10. | :07:12. | |
people that are perceived to be not part of that political class. | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
Whoever is selected has a real fight on their hands. You think Marine Le | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
Pen has a good chance? I am afraid I think she has a very good chance and | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
we need the strongest candidate possible. She is not good news for | :07:21. | :07:23. | |
Europe. Who would be the strongest candidate possible? To be honest, I | :07:24. | :07:26. | |
don't know and I would like to back any candidate, that is for the | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
French to decide. The socialists don't seem to be in... They have | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
withdrawn. But the fact that Francois Fillon got a massive vote, | :07:33. | :07:38. | |
he won pretty much every region of Metropolitan France, suggested that | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
he does have some appeal. That is encunning. The primaries have had a | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
bad time since Donald Trump. So have referendums if you are the person | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
calling them. If we think of David Cameron, he lost his own referendum. | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
Do you think they are a good idea to put the sort of referendums that | :07:56. | :07:58. | |
Francois Fillon is suggesting? Of the people who call them. I am not | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
saying the right or wrong way. Referendums are a good idea. It is | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
better to trust people. In way you have made the point. Occasionally | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
politicians don't get the answer they want. Well that is healthy, | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
that is necessary in a system, so otherwise we have an o towards I can | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
with a tiny number get to decide everything. Countries that have | :08:20. | :08:24. | |
referendums and make the most use do well, at the top of list is | :08:25. | :08:27. | |
well, at the top of list is Switzerland. | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
The question for today is what appears on the cushions in | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
Or d) An embroidered image of the Mexican border? | :08:34. | :08:48. | |
At the end of the show Cat and Dan will give us the correct answer. | :08:49. | :08:51. | |
It's the Confederation of British Industry's annual | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
conference today in central London, and both Theresa May and Jeremy | :08:54. | :08:56. | |
The Prime Minister set out her stall to business leaders this morning, | :08:57. | :09:00. | |
and Jeremy Corbyn will appear in front of delegates later. | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
While previous Conservative leaders have sought to reduce state | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
intervention, Theresa May has made it clear she intends to, in her | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
So let's look at some of the business policies that have | :09:08. | :09:17. | |
been rolling off the Government's production line so far. | :09:18. | :09:27. | |
Today at the CBI, she offered business a "grand bargain", | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
proposing investment and tax cuts in exchange for help | :09:32. | :09:33. | |
dealing with the worst excesses of capitalism. | :09:34. | :09:42. | |
Mrs May said the Government is offering an industrial strategy | :09:43. | :09:44. | |
that will include an extra ?2 billion a year by 2020 to support | :09:45. | :09:47. | |
She also pledged to ensure that the corporation tax rate | :09:48. | :09:53. | |
But in return, she said business also needs to change and that | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
a small minority "appear to game the system and work to a different | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
Her plans to reform capitalism include representing works | :10:01. | :10:08. | |
on company boards and giving shareholders a binding | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
Politicians don't get the answer they want. Well that is healthy, | :10:11. | :10:23. | |
that is necessary in a system, so otherwise we have an o towards I can | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
with a tiny number get to decide everything. Countries that have | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
referendums and make the most use do well, at the top of list is | :10:29. | :10:30. | |
Switzerland. Jeremy Corbyn will say more state intervention is needed. | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
which would see a Labour government borrow hundreds of billions | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
of pounds to invest in long-term infrastructure projects. | :10:35. | :10:40. | |
If we support free markets, value capitalism, and at business, | :10:41. | :10:42. | |
and we do, we must do everything we can to keep faith with them. | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
And with not enough people feeling that they share | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
in the wealth created by capitalism, and with the recent behaviour | :10:52. | :10:54. | |
of a small minority of businesses and business leaders undermining | :10:55. | :10:56. | |
the reputation of the corporate world as a whole, the way to keep | :10:57. | :10:59. | |
Well, we're joined now by the director general | :11:00. | :11:15. | |
Thank you for joining us Theresa May says she is offering the business | :11:16. | :11:24. | |
community a grand bargain, is that good from your perspective? Well, we | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
hugely welcome today what is a really pro enterprise speech, that | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
is setting out a vision for the UK, which put innovation and invention | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
at the heart, is talking about the value of free market, we welcome | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
that, at the same time, yes, the Prime Minister is talking about a | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
social contract, businesses recognise that, and are here to rise | :11:46. | :11:48. | |
to the challenge of making that work. But an extra ?2 billion a year | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
by 2020 of investment in research and development, you are going to | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
welcome that, but it is really a grand bargain, I mean the Labour | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
Party is offering ?500 billion over ten years? Well, I think that what | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
she has set out this morning is something which is, she talks about | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
industrial strategy which is about creating the enable hers for a | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
strong economy, raising productivity across the UK. The innovation part | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
is part of that. The skills agenda, infrastructure, connecting our | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
cities in the north and south, these are all other parts of the picture, | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
and we look forward to the Autumn Statement on Wednesday to see a bit | :12:32. | :12:37. | |
more of that plan. You are happy with the ?2 billion figure although | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
not starting until 2012. A bargain is a bargain, is it two way. Theresa | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
May says some businesses play to a different set of rules, is that | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
fair? There are some businesses that are not playing straight. I think it | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
is up to all businesses to call that out. Because it does affect and | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
tarnish the reputation of the many, so, this is something we welcome, I | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
think it is an area where businesses can step up, take a lead, and reform | :13:08. | :13:13. | |
in areas where it can be, we can prevent the actions of the two, of | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
the few from tarnishing the reputation of the many. Which | :13:17. | :13:20. | |
businesses in your mind are not being straight, if you like, to use | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
her language? Well, I am not going to name names but it was welcome in | :13:26. | :13:29. | |
the Prime Minister's speech that she recognised it was the few, and that | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
it is the majority of, are good citizens, they are investing in | :13:34. | :13:39. | |
community, they are sainting, they are creating jobs so it is | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
recognition of the few, and that is what we need to address and the | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
corporate governance green paper is something we welcome. I think people | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
might say it is easy to say there are some businesses that don't play | :13:52. | :13:54. | |
by the rules and they need to be called out. If nobody is going to | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
name who they are or the areas in which the rules are not being | :14:00. | :14:05. | |
adhered to, do they exist? Is that sort of false bogey man put up here | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
unless you are prepared to say who they are? I don't think, so we have | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
strong rule, we have very good corporate governance, it recognised | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
world the round as being strong, but where that happens, I think it is, | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
it is an important thing, to have the right mechanisms in place, and | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
by and large we really do, it is one of the areas I think the UK has seen | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
globally as being strong, but there is more do, we know there are issues | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
round trust and the reputation of business, this is part of the | :14:37. | :14:39. | |
progress towards fixing it. We welcome it and we will be engaging | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
very strongly on the Government's proposals in the green paper. Will | :14:45. | :14:47. | |
be that lot of talk about forcing companies to have workers sitting on | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
their boards, but it looks as if today Theresa May has rode back from | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
that, he is is saying the views of workers should be represented. Do | :14:58. | :14:58. | |
you remember that? This was about the representation of | :14:59. | :15:11. | |
workers and consumers's voices. Some companies do welcome that, we | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
have spoken to many. For some, it is the right model but it is not the | :15:18. | :15:20. | |
only way. We welcome that the Prime Minister | :15:21. | :15:25. | |
will set out a range of options of which that will be one, some | :15:26. | :15:28. | |
companies will welcome that. One thing which is right is where | :15:29. | :15:35. | |
companies engage really well, they are more productive. That is what we | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
need to aim to achieve. The implication was that there would | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
be a promise to put workers on company boards, it sounds like you | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
pleased there won't be any element of compulsion or that it will be the | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
only way to have their views represented. | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
A range of options is a really good idea. | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
Brexit, if it becomes clearer than now that the UK will pull out of the | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
single market and Customs union, will you still welcomed the grand | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
bargain Theresa May has put forward today? | :16:12. | :16:15. | |
We had to wait and see. Businesses would like more certainty. We | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
understand why it is not possible at the moment. We would like to see | :16:20. | :16:23. | |
transitional arrangements so companies most affected have time to | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
prepare. One thing we welcome today is she | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
has said when she can say something she will. | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
That is what businesses need to know, that they are being listened | :16:37. | :16:39. | |
to. When will that happen? Well, we are | :16:40. | :16:47. | |
looking over the next few months, triggering Article 50 by the end of | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
March, the timetable the Government has set out. We look forward to when | :16:52. | :16:58. | |
they have something to say. The uncertainty is affecting investment | :16:59. | :17:01. | |
and will be important for dad to be a plan quickly. | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
Every indication has shown that they are favouring pulling out of the | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
single market, in a way, they do not see leaving the EU unless we pull | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
out of the single market and the customs union, how worried would you | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
be by that? Language is important. We talk about | :17:24. | :17:28. | |
barrier free access to the single market which matters for businesses, | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
to trade without tariffs, nontariff barriers around regulation. It is an | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
important principle and we want this to be set out as an important | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
priority. The customs union is a trade-off | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
between, we would like to do new free trade deals with India, China, | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
US. The implications for red tape at Borders is significant sum. | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
What we are saying to Government is, consult with business, you will hear | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
different views and the evidence. Theresa May has been back on her | :18:07. | :18:09. | |
plans to have workers on company boards. She is offering only ?2 | :18:10. | :18:11. | |
billion. By 2020. Is this a paltry offering? | :18:12. | :18:24. | |
No, she is saying the right things. We have a protectionist European | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
Commission and White House. Somebody needs to be making the case of free | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
trade, free accommodation. That will be the UK. She is right | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
that the climate in which to make that case is not friendly. | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
The extraordinary thing is there has never been a better time to be a | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
human being, extreme poverty has fallen down to 8% because African | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
and Asian countries have joined the global market. These idealistic | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
people are picketing G7 meetings, so she needs to make the argument in a | :18:59. | :19:02. | |
way that shows free trade is not about benefiting big culprits but | :19:03. | :19:09. | |
poverty alleviation, social justice, conflict resolution. | :19:10. | :19:12. | |
Many think the opposite, that they had been left behind. It is the | :19:13. | :19:21. | |
reality. Cat Smith, where do you stand in terms of this industrial | :19:22. | :19:25. | |
policy Jeremy Corbyn has talked about, ?500 billion, how would it | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
work? It is clear we need to listen to | :19:29. | :19:35. | |
business, and if we listened to Carolyn Fairbairn, there is a sense | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
of uncertainty from business. Whilst Theresa May says the right things | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
around people feeling left behind by globalisation, it needs to be | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
followed through with assurance that the gap between the very richest and | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
poorest does not expand in the way it is. Down is by to say when it | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
comes to looking at extreme poverty, that has happened, but when people | :20:00. | :20:06. | |
see people getting richer, they feel very much like the haves and | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
have-nots. Some people do not feel they have any opportunity. | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
If they don't have opportunities, with putting workers on company | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
boards make them feel better? The best businesses I note in my | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
constituency, with a good relationship with the workforce. | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
What about the worker on a company board? | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
That ensures the voice of the workforce is heard in those | :20:35. | :20:37. | |
important decisions and I support it. | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
Was it a mistake to write back from it? | :20:43. | :20:45. | |
No. That is what she promised initially. | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
There should be a presumption of innocence. Companies want to be | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
successful, they do not need legislation for that. | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
The difference between what executives are paid... | :20:58. | :21:00. | |
There is a case for tweaking the corporate Government rules to | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
encourage shareholders to think of themselves and behave like | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
proprietors rather than investors. With a couple of minor changes, some | :21:10. | :21:14. | |
of which we were hearing from the Business Secretary, allowing | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
shareholders to vote definitively on executive pay, this isn't | :21:18. | :21:23. | |
corporatism, the state taking over companies, but a couple of | :21:24. | :21:27. | |
improvements will yield huge dividends. | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
You heard what she had to say about Carolyn Fairbairn about Brexit, and | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
tariff free access to the single market. You think it could be sunny | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
uplands if we come out, but the business community does not agree | :21:42. | :21:45. | |
with you. They have a right to disagree. I am | :21:46. | :21:50. | |
not sure that is what Carolyn was saying, she looked forward to doing | :21:51. | :21:54. | |
trade deals with the US, China... And of course it is complicated but | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
the ability to do free trade agreements with the biggest | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
economies of the world, the US and China, is a pretty big game. | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
All the growth this century is outside the EU. We should be free to | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
do our own trade deals. She is right we want access to the | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
single market. Tariff free access. And I don't hear | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
any voices from any serious politician on either side of the | :22:23. | :22:28. | |
channel proposing that. Why are we fretting about something no one is | :22:29. | :22:30. | |
suggesting? Because they say in European | :22:31. | :22:34. | |
countries they don't know what the country wants until they have heard | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
from Theresa May. Jeremy Corbyn will outline his plans | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
for the ?500 billion of investment, a massive amount of borrowing. | :22:44. | :22:50. | |
Labour would be maxing out on the nation's credit card. | :22:51. | :22:52. | |
Economists say this is the best time to borrow, it has never been so | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
cheap. It has been low for a long time. | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
There is a case, if we don't invest, we can't grow our economy. | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
Austerity has failed. Six wasted years under this Government whereby | :23:08. | :23:11. | |
actually the vast majority of people, their wages have been held | :23:12. | :23:20. | |
low, prompt activity is stagnating -- Productivity. | :23:21. | :23:22. | |
That is not fair, we have had more jobs created in this country than | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
the whole of the EU. Productivity levels have been low in | :23:28. | :23:32. | |
this country, there has been wage stagnation. People are predicting it | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
will go down again. Given where we were starting from, | :23:37. | :23:42. | |
squeezing out that debt, we did well compared to every other | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
industrialised country in the world. I am bullish it will carry on, we | :23:45. | :23:50. | |
are well equipped, I see a great future for us, driverless cars, | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
biotech, 3D printing, we are a very inventive people. | :23:58. | :23:59. | |
Over the weekend, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn again rejected calls | :24:00. | :24:01. | |
by some in his party to pledge to cut immigration, saying | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
he would not make "false promises" like the Conservatives. | :24:05. | :24:06. | |
Instead he favours measures to mitigate the impact of migration. | :24:07. | :24:08. | |
Here he is talking to his party's national policy forum | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
Politicians and political parties have a choice in this age | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
Do we play on people's fears and anxieties? | :24:18. | :24:24. | |
Or do we take what might be the more difficult approach? | :24:25. | :24:27. | |
We can see the choice being taken by politicians on the hard right, | :24:28. | :24:35. | |
to whip up division against migrants, Muslims, | :24:36. | :24:40. | |
Mexicans, women, LGBT people, people with disabilities. | :24:41. | :24:49. | |
The fake anti-elitism of rich white men like Nigel Farage | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
and Donald Trump is farcical at one level, but in reality it is no | :24:53. | :24:55. | |
So, is the party's position on immigration and freedom | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
Well, perhaps not entirely - the Shadow Brexit Secretary, | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
Kier Starmer, has said immigration is too high, but last week | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott warned against trying to "out | :25:08. | :25:11. | |
She said the idea that Labour was losing voters to the Tories | :25:12. | :25:18. | |
or Ukip because of immigration was false. | :25:19. | :25:20. | |
Well, to talk about this we're joined by the Labour MP Ian Austin. | :25:21. | :25:23. | |
Take that on board, are you losing voters to the Tories and Ukip | :25:24. | :25:32. | |
because of immigration? For a long time, people in the | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
country, in particular, parts of the Midlands, the Black Country that I | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
represent, think London based politicians have not been listening | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
to their concerns on immigration. We heard Diane last week visiting this | :25:47. | :25:54. | |
false choice, that to listen to people on immigration to come up | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
with fair answers to their concerns is in some way trying to out Ukip. | :25:58. | :26:03. | |
Nothing could be further from the truth. We have to listen to local | :26:04. | :26:06. | |
people and their concerns and do the hard work of coming up with | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
reasonable answers in line with our values. That is totally different | :26:12. | :26:16. | |
from the approach Ukip take. Does Jeremy Corbyn understands the | :26:17. | :26:20. | |
concerns of many Labour voters about levels of immigration? | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
Jeremy listens to Labour MPs from up and down the country. I hear those | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
comments and recognise, but I constituents are telling me the same | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
Ian is hearing. People are worried about immigration, concerned about | :26:37. | :26:40. | |
their wages being undercut, strains on public services. | :26:41. | :26:45. | |
We need to start talking about immigration in an open and honest | :26:46. | :26:48. | |
way. The reality is, without levels of | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
immigration, you can't have public services and the NHS functioning. We | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
need to be honest and say there needs to be immigration but we need | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
to make sure the consequences on communities are not that they can't | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
get a school place or the waiting list at hospitals all GPs are not | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
long. Do you think the Labour Party has | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
done enough to mitigate some of the effects of immigration on | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
communities like yours? Clearly, we haven't. We should be | :27:22. | :27:26. | |
taking the benefits that well-paid migrants bring to the country, city | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
traders, hedge fund dealers in London, using the taxes they pay, to | :27:31. | :27:36. | |
relieve the pressure low paid migration can cause to the NHS and | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
schools in areas like the Black Country. We should insist further | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
that every time a large company has to take on a skilled foreign worker | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
from abroad because they can't find those in this country, they should | :27:51. | :27:55. | |
take on an apprentice as well. Much more to deport foreign criminals, we | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
should bring back fingerprinting for illegal immigrants at Calais, | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
abolished by this Government. Much more on the Border Force which | :28:06. | :28:11. | |
again was cut by this Government. We should say people should not be | :28:12. | :28:18. | |
able to come here and be unemployed, or claim benefits, until they have | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
worked and paid into the system, or claim benefits for Jordan not in the | :28:23. | :28:24. | |
country. There are lots of things we can do | :28:25. | :28:29. | |
based on values of hard work, was was witty and contribution, 1 | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
million miles away from Ukip. Diane presented this false choice of | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
listening to people on immigration that you are aping the far right, | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
that is nonsense. Jeremy Corbyn believes it is not | :28:43. | :28:47. | |
about the numbers, that people are concerned about the numbers of | :28:48. | :28:51. | |
immigrants coming to the UK, is he wrong? | :28:52. | :29:02. | |
Look at what happened with the countries, the Government estimated | :29:03. | :29:04. | |
the numbers wrong lead which have different effects in the country. | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
Politicians in London need to get out of London, come to areas like | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
the Black Country and listen to ordinary people. | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
These people are not racist, they have perfectly legitimate concerns. | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
It is about time politicians started listening to them and responding. | :29:22. | :29:29. | |
Diane Abbott, Jeremy Corbyn, London based MPs with a different view of | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
the world to constituencies in other parts of the country. Therefore they | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
don't understand or appreciate the level of concern Ian Austin has | :29:38. | :29:41. | |
outlined. Do you to see lower levels of immigration to the UK? | :29:42. | :29:48. | |
Regarding London, immigration plays activity in the country. But I don't | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
think there is anything in is saying is not incompatible with the vast | :29:52. | :29:57. | |
majority... There is a lot of common ground. | :29:58. | :30:06. | |
Do you want to see low levels of immigration, like Keir Starmer and | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
Ian Austin, or do you agree with Jeremy Corbyn, that it is not about | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
the numbers? I won't be drawn on the numbers but what I will say is... | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
Why not? They have a lot of common ground on this. People want to know | :30:22. | :30:25. | |
about the numbers, it is a straightforward question, do you | :30:26. | :30:28. | |
want to see low levels or do you want to see them about the same or | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
more? I think where immigration benefits this country it should be | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
welcomed and the fact is people who are migrants in this country are | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
more likely to put more into the economy than take out in welfare. It | :30:42. | :30:46. | |
is migrants who add to our chances of success as a country, I won't be | :30:47. | :30:52. | |
attacking anyone who is a migrant in this country because the migrants in | :30:53. | :30:56. | |
my community are the ones who contribute the most. But that is not | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
the say it, people do have concerns and fears and I think that, I have | :31:01. | :31:04. | |
had it from my constituencies and Ian has had it from his, that is a | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
problem, that we need to address as a party because for a very long time | :31:10. | :31:13. | |
we did try and dodge the issue about talking about immigration. Do you | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
think now that Government of any colour would have to do something | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
about the numbers, of people cough coming to the UK or can you do more | :31:22. | :31:26. | |
as Cat Smith and Ian awes the inare saying to address the impact, and | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
not focus on the numbers? I think there is a feeling that immigration | :31:32. | :31:34. | |
is out of control, and people want to feel that we should be backing | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
control of who comes in, and roughly in what numbers, please don't make | :31:40. | :31:44. | |
the mistake of attributing false motives to people. The people who | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
have argued that, as Ian Austin says are not in the least bit racist, | :31:49. | :31:52. | |
they want to have controlled, legal immigration when it benefits the | :31:53. | :31:56. | |
economy. And lower? I think probably slightly lower than recently, I | :31:57. | :32:00. | |
suspect that will happen any way. I think many voters would light it to | :32:01. | :32:07. | |
be a lot lower. There is a tiny number who want drastic cuts. I | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
don't recognise that. There was a poll last month said 88% of people | :32:12. | :32:19. | |
want skilled worker to come here, so this is about being able to sift who | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
we allow in, to benefit from the energy and enterprise and to be fair | :32:26. | :32:30. | |
to non-EU immigrants to people of Commonwealth backgrounds who find | :32:31. | :32:33. | |
they are discriminated against. Jeremy Corbyn is clear, there will | :32:34. | :32:37. | |
be no targets or limits on iminvestigation after Brexit, as far | :32:38. | :32:40. | |
as he is concerned, if he was in charge, is he right on that 1234 | :32:41. | :32:44. | |
Look, I think all the parties really need to wake up and listen to what | :32:45. | :32:48. | |
people in place like the Black Country are saying about this. | :32:49. | :32:53. | |
Politics would be simple, wouldn't it, if I would say isn't the NHS | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
great, aren't the Tories terrible, but that is not what politics is | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
like, what we have do is listen to people's genuine and deeply held | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
concerns and do the hard work of coming up with fair and reasonable | :33:08. | :33:13. | |
answers to address them. I think by ghising this and or saying we won't | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
enter into debate or focus on concern people have, that would be a | :33:18. | :33:21. | |
disaster for Labour in this Parliament just as it was in the | :33:22. | :33:22. | |
last one. Thank you. Now, all eyes will be | :33:23. | :33:23. | |
on the House of Commons and Chancellor Phillip Hammond | :33:24. | :33:27. | |
as he delivered his first autumn So let's take a look at that | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
and the other political events likely to be making | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
the news this week. When the Commons gets | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
going this afternoon, MPs will be debating | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
the Higher Education and Research Bill, and Labour | :33:39. | :33:39. | |
will be attempting to make a number of amendments, including bringing | :33:40. | :33:42. | |
back students' maintenance grants. On Tuesday, the Office | :33:43. | :33:47. | |
for National Statistics publishes its latest set of data | :33:48. | :33:48. | |
on the state of the UK's Wednesday sees Prime Minister's | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
Questions at noon, but the big event of the day is the Autumn Statement | :33:52. | :34:05. | |
from Chancellor Phlip Hammond. This is his first big set-piece | :34:06. | :34:07. | |
statement in the Commons, and he's said he wants to make | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
the UK economy "watertight" to cope The Shadow Chancellor John | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
McDonnell will respond, and after the statement, | :34:14. | :34:15. | |
the independent Office for Budget Responsibility - | :34:16. | :34:17. | |
the official economic watchdog - publishes its latest | :34:18. | :34:19. | |
Economic and Fiscal Outlook. Then on Thursday it'll be the turn | :34:20. | :34:23. | |
of the independent Institute for Fiscal Studies to give | :34:24. | :34:26. | |
their take on the Mr Hammond's work - a view which usually | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
has a big impact on how On Friday, the Women's Equality | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
Party hold their first every three-day conference - | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
that's in Manchester. And with me now to discuss | :34:36. | :34:43. | |
all of that are Laura Hughes, from the Daily Telegraph, | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
and the Daily Mirror's Ben Glaze. Dismissing this and or saying we | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
won't enter into debate or focus on concern people have, that would be a | :34:52. | :34:53. | |
disaster for Labour in this Parliament just as it was in the | :34:54. | :34:55. | |
last one. Thank you. Welcome. What you expect from Philip | :34:56. | :34:58. | |
Hammond, often known as spread sheet Phil? We know a bit about what is | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
going to be coming uple he has talked about infrastructure, putting | :35:02. | :35:03. | |
money into developing roads and our transport systems in this country, | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
we also know he will be introducing a ban on pension cold calling, there | :35:08. | :35:14. | |
is going to be a crackdown on workers' perk, mobile phone | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
contracts things like that, there will be a focus on Jams, so we will | :35:19. | :35:28. | |
see tax cuts for those people and a freeze on fuel duty. Those are the | :35:29. | :35:31. | |
main things we can hope to expect. That is comprehensive. Let us look | :35:32. | :35:36. | |
at the future growth prospects. It a big moment when we hear from the | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
Office for Budget Responsibility, and it will give us a slightly | :35:40. | :35:42. | |
clearer idea as to what is being expected in the years ahead. That is | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
is right. We expect some grave numbers from the OBR on Wednesday, | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
so far the forecasts haven't been official forecasts, this will be the | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
first time we get to see the impact of Brexit, on those public finances, | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
on growth, and we can find out exactly how much a black hole is | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
likely to be in the Treasury coffers after we lever the EU. Current | :36:03. | :36:07. | |
projections are it might be about 1 hundred billion he will have to | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
find, those are huge numbers for the Chancellor delivering his first | :36:12. | :36:13. | |
Autumn Statement. Brexit will loom large, in fact it will no doubt be a | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
thread running through the whole Autumn Statement. He has talked | :36:18. | :36:23. | |
about uncertainty in the past, bumps in the road, perhaps they weren't | :36:24. | :36:27. | |
his words but in terms of the current data we have now, there | :36:28. | :36:31. | |
doesn't seem to have been that much bad news coming the Government's way | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
There is consumer confidence but Philip Hammond was doing the rounds | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
yesterday and a lot of Tory MPs accused him of being overly | :36:39. | :36:42. | |
pessimistic, but is it right for the Chancellor for cautious or is he | :36:43. | :36:46. | |
just a sort of half empty I kind of guy? I don't know, there are mixed | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
figures, mixed number, some say this is great for exports so some people | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
are doing well, others are not so sure, he is really kind of | :36:56. | :36:58. | |
emphasising that it is the uncertainty, it is what is going to | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
happen in the future, What about Labour's response? What will they | :37:04. | :37:08. | |
focus on? Labour will call for the ESA cuts that are coming to be | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
ameliorated. They want the Universal Credit cuts that are coming down the | :37:13. | :37:16. | |
line, they want those put back, but the problem for Philip Hammond is | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
there isn't any money left, Labour wants a massive public spending, | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
about ?500 billion on infrastructure, John McDonnell has | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
talked about ?250 billion invest vestment. 100 billioner, another 150 | :37:30. | :37:36. | |
billion generated from the private sectors that would put money in and | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
get the economy growing and generate more cash for the Treasury. But the | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
problem is there isn't that money available, and Philip Hammond is not | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
going to have a lot to play with come Wednesday. They always complain | :37:47. | :37:52. | |
about that. What about stories in the paper, the prospect of Tony | :37:53. | :37:55. | |
Blair returning to front line politics, not front line but | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
politics in order to campaign against a hard Brexit. Dismissed | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
chip of course. Well, purportedly he is setting up an institute to | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
influent the Brexit process. I spoke to a lot of Tory MPs who were | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
delighted with the news that Tony Blair is coming back to argue | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
everything they don't want, they see him has a discredited establishment | :38:19. | :38:22. | |
type figure. I heard that over the other side of the table. There was a | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
picture of Blair holding up the sign saying I voted Remain, I said he | :38:29. | :38:34. | |
voted, have you. Any truth in it? It would be great for the Brexiteers to | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
take control of the negotiations it is what they want. On that note, | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
thank you both very much. One of our guests today has been described as | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
the man who brought you Brexit. Indeed former Northern Ireland | :38:50. | :38:55. | |
Secretary Theresa Villiers said she tect texted him to congratulate him. | :38:56. | :38:58. | |
If Theresa May says Brexit means Brexit, what does Dan say it means? | :38:59. | :39:03. | |
He has written a new book, I have it here called what next for about what | :39:04. | :39:09. | |
necks. He has -- next. He has made a Daily Politics soapbox and here is | :39:10. | :39:24. | |
So far, attention has focused disproportionately on our | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
relationship with the Brussels institutions here, and with | :39:30. | :39:31. | |
Is it going to be a hard or a soft Brexit? | :39:32. | :39:37. | |
Are we going to have access to the single market? | :39:38. | :39:40. | |
But, really, the answer to those questions was contained | :39:41. | :39:42. | |
A 52-48 vote is not an instruction to end all our institutional | :39:43. | :39:49. | |
It is an instruction to begin a phased and gradual | :39:50. | :39:55. | |
Having taken back control, in other words, having | :39:56. | :40:02. | |
recovered our legal supremacy, there is no reason why we shouldn't | :40:03. | :40:07. | |
replicate some of our existing arrangements through bilateral | :40:08. | :40:09. | |
In other words, a common market, not a common Government. | :40:10. | :40:17. | |
No-one on either side of the Channel is seriously proposing | :40:18. | :40:20. | |
In fact, every non-EU state in Europe except Belarus | :40:21. | :40:29. | |
enjoys free trade with the European single market. | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
Far more important is the question of our relations with the 165 | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
The countries that will account for almost all of the world's | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
Here, we have an opportunity to do something bold and beautiful. | :40:42. | :40:51. | |
We can become, in the Prime Minister's phrase, the global | :40:52. | :40:53. | |
Genuinely unrestricted commerce, based on mutual product recognition, | :40:54. | :41:06. | |
rather than the imposition of common stantdards, | :41:07. | :41:08. | |
will do more to raise living standards in developing countries, | :41:09. | :41:10. | |
Instead of coming at a cost to British taxpayers, | :41:11. | :41:21. | |
it will bring benefit to British consumers. | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
And the biggest benefits will be felt by the people on the lowest | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
incomes who stand to gain the most proportionally from cheaper prices. | :41:32. | :41:39. | |
Back in charge of our own affairs, we can make Britain the best place | :41:40. | :41:42. | |
We can have lower, flatter, simpler taxes. | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
We can have cheap energy, lighter regulation, | :41:46. | :41:47. | |
We have spent 44 years in a dark and cramped room. | :41:48. | :41:54. | |
Now the door swings open and we see a little rectangle of light. | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
As our eyes adjust, we glimpse the colours of a summer meadow | :42:00. | :42:02. | |
beyond, with swallows diving against the blue sky | :42:03. | :42:04. | |
Let us not hang around at the doorstep. | :42:05. | :42:07. | |
That was Dan Hannan and he is here. I am sure he will give us more | :42:08. | :42:29. | |
poetic lines in the next discussion. Do you accept there is still a lot | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
of confusion around what the deal will the EU will be, because vote | :42:36. | :42:38. | |
leave weren't clear themselves about what it would look like? I mean, | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
that is perfectly fair, vote leave wept from the far left of the Labour | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
Party, trade unions Ukip so there was a variety of opinions, it is | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
unclear because a lot of people have the idea that you are either in or | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
out of the single market, it isn't a single entity. It is an almall gap | :42:57. | :43:01. | |
of different thing, some bits are attractive. The real basis of the | :43:02. | :43:07. | |
single market is the prohibition on goods from another member state. Let | :43:08. | :43:13. | |
us stick to your idea, that it isn't a binary decision, you say you can | :43:14. | :43:18. | |
have other options but you are in as a member or you are not. You are | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
not. That is not true. It is a conglomerateration over many years | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
of lots of different responsibilities and obligation, | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
some of which work for the benefit of the consumer, some which bring | :43:30. | :43:34. | |
down price, some are very bad for us, the common external tariff. That | :43:35. | :43:40. | |
assumes we can pick or choose. There won't be that, but in among this | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
confusion that you have conceded existed because there are a | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
different range of views, doesn't mean that Parliament should have a | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
say? No-one questions that, that was very clear. But a vote now | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
triggering Article 50. They want another vote. Fine, if that keeps | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
everybody happy, let's do it. It is not a binary decision if your mind, | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
but let us listen to what you said regarding the single market last | :44:09. | :44:09. | |
year. Absolutely nobody is talking about | :44:10. | :44:11. | |
threatening our place in the single You said nobody was talking about | :44:12. | :44:20. | |
that, but people were, and to clear up for our viewers this was put out | :44:21. | :44:26. | |
by the group Open Europe, do you think we should leave the single | :44:27. | :44:31. | |
market or don't you? You saw that filleted by your colleague Andrew | :44:32. | :44:35. | |
Neil yesterday. I will say one more time, there are aspects of the | :44:36. | :44:38. | |
single market I think we should keep, we should however leave the | :44:39. | :44:43. | |
customs union and leave the jurisdiction of the European Court | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
of Justice, you say it is, why should the other countries do that? | :44:47. | :44:51. | |
Let us tray and not be part of... It sets a precedent to everybody else. | :44:52. | :44:55. | |
We will all behave out of our rational self-interest. What makes | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
you think that? Generally I find in diplomacy decisions are made on the | :45:00. | :45:03. | |
basis of present interest rather than past grudges and just as it is | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
in our interest to have prosperous neighbours who are good customers it | :45:08. | :45:12. | |
is not in anyone's interest in Europe to have a trade war. That | :45:13. | :45:16. | |
means giving us everything you have outlined. You said there wasn't any | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
digs about leaving the single market, but you do want to leave | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
parts of it. You want everyone to accept the vision that you have for | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
the single market, if we were to be like Norway which I think at times | :45:29. | :45:32. | |
you thought was a good model we would have to accept the rules of | :45:33. | :45:36. | |
the EU, freedom of movement and contribution the EU budget. | :45:37. | :45:42. | |
I have made it clear all the way through, Norway or the destiny | :45:43. | :45:49. | |
preferable, is not nearly as good as Switzerland outside and we should | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
aim to do something better. The broad model should be something | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
closer to the Swiss rather than Norway. I am not in favour of | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
drawing -- Joining the economic economic area. | :46:04. | :46:12. | |
And some freedom of movement? We will have to find a compromise. As I | :46:13. | :46:19. | |
said, no one is talking about screwing the tab completely shut. | :46:20. | :46:22. | |
Going back to the old will you needed a job to come to, 70,000 EU | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
nationals came looking for work in the UK last year. That would be a | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
major impact on migration and make a distinction on the people being let | :46:34. | :46:35. | |
in. Do you agree we will be able to have | :46:36. | :46:44. | |
our cake and eat it, pick some parts of the single market we would like | :46:45. | :46:48. | |
to keep? I like the optimism from down but in | :46:49. | :46:57. | |
the world of reality there will be a move in Europe to punish us for the | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
decision we have made to leave. They don't want to get the message you | :47:02. | :47:04. | |
can leave the EU and keep the bits you like and get rid of those you | :47:05. | :47:10. | |
don't. I worry we will be punished. In which case it is a protection | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
racket. Thank goodness we are leaving. And | :47:15. | :47:20. | |
we will have to lead the bits that are positive? The price we are | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
paying to completely leave... I think they will behave out of self | :47:27. | :47:29. | |
interest, I don't expect any favours. | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
The German finance minister said there is no a la carte menu, the | :47:36. | :47:40. | |
whole menu or none. The Dutch finance minister said Boris Johnson, | :47:41. | :47:47. | |
what he is offering our options are not available. | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
On the basis it may be rhetoric, they won't do what you say. | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
That is their high opening bid. Both sides you would expect to make a | :47:57. | :48:03. | |
high opening bid. We will end up I am pretty confident with something | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
where we are in the free market but outside the political union. A lot | :48:08. | :48:12. | |
of the people now... That is the common market, you said | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
you wanted to come out of a common market. | :48:18. | :48:20. | |
To repeat, there is a pan European free trade area, from Iceland to | :48:21. | :48:26. | |
Turkey without tariffs. I don't think anyone is proposing Britain | :48:27. | :48:30. | |
would be the only country apart from Belarus, that would face tariffs and | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
trade barriers. This is the first country to have a | :48:35. | :48:42. | |
Brexit. Donald Tusk has said the only real alternative to a hard | :48:43. | :48:45. | |
Brexit is no Brexit. This is the incredible thing. Two | :48:46. | :48:51. | |
thirds of people I talked to in Brussels still do not accept the | :48:52. | :48:54. | |
result, they still think somehow Britain will come to its senses. If | :48:55. | :48:59. | |
they are hard enough in their rhetoric that we might switch | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
brands, that is a bad misreading of our character, when people feel they | :49:04. | :49:09. | |
are being bullied, they go the other way. | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
Theresa May is refusing to guarantee the residency of the millions of | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
nationals from EU countries, should she guarantee the rights of those | :49:19. | :49:22. | |
people now? Absolutely, these people have lived | :49:23. | :49:27. | |
and worked and Koch beat it, had families in the UK, they deserve | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
some level of security. There are unknowns in business but unknowns in | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
people's lives. Hundreds of people have contacted me | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
worried about this in my constituency. Not the most diverse | :49:43. | :49:47. | |
of constituencies but we have many European people contributing in | :49:48. | :49:50. | |
universities in particular who want stability. | :49:51. | :49:56. | |
They deserve that. It means we can offer to many British people living | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
elsewhere in Europe. I agree, so do 84% of British | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
voters. High opening bids. | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
Now, let's talk about some rather unusual goings-on, | :50:10. | :50:11. | |
as the Conservatives seek to replace their MEP | :50:12. | :50:12. | |
The vacancy arose after the last man in the job, Timothy Kirkhope, | :50:13. | :50:16. | |
was given a seat in the Lords by David Cameron in his final | :50:17. | :50:20. | |
It would normally go to the person who came second in the Conservative | :50:21. | :50:24. | |
list for the region at the 2014 European elections, | :50:25. | :50:26. | |
which in this case is former Olympic rower Alex Story. | :50:27. | :50:30. | |
But instead, the party has chosen to hand the seat to the man | :50:31. | :50:33. | |
who came third on the list, the Leeds councillor John Procter. | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
Mr Story has been attempting to overturn the decision, | :50:37. | :50:38. | |
but last week lost an attempt to block Mr Procter's | :50:39. | :50:40. | |
How are you feeling about it all? It has been a bit of a shock. | :50:41. | :50:58. | |
Historically in the UK we have physical representation underpinned | :50:59. | :51:05. | |
by a democratic process. I won the support of the Yorkshire | :51:06. | :51:09. | |
Conservative membership. I was on the ballot box. I campaigned in that | :51:10. | :51:14. | |
capacity as number two on the list, I want 127,000 votes. What happened | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
last week is that the Conservative Party Central office decided to | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
overturn the ballot results. In effect, setting off in my view a | :51:25. | :51:29. | |
constitutional issue. They have decided, somebody centrally, in this | :51:30. | :51:35. | |
case, Gareth Fox, a man who is elected by no one, he decided to | :51:36. | :51:41. | |
appoint to an elected seat a person who received neither the support of | :51:42. | :51:45. | |
the Conservative Party membership in Yorkshire North of the electorate. | :51:46. | :51:50. | |
Let me read the statement from the Conservative Party, following the | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
departure from the European Parliament, John Proctor has been | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
confirmed by the Conservative Party. He will be a strong voice for | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
Yorkshire and the Humber as we get on with the job of delivering what | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
the people of the UK voted for, making a success of Brexit. Why | :52:10. | :52:12. | |
would you want to spend thousands of pounds of your money for a job that | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
won't exist in a few years? I have campaigned for the | :52:18. | :52:21. | |
Conservative Party for nearly 20 years. My father is a father of | :52:22. | :52:28. | |
political -- Is a professor of political science, I have grown up | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
with political economy in my blood. It would have been a huge honour for | :52:32. | :52:37. | |
me, having fought on the Brexit side of the arguments, to go to the | :52:38. | :52:42. | |
European Parliament and put a very positive case about our relationship | :52:43. | :52:46. | |
with the European Union. As you know, I am half English, half | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
Austrian, born in France, I wife is German, I had Italian and Spanish | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
cousins. I love Europe. I wanted the opportunity, possibly the most | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
exciting part of our history since the end of the Second World War, to | :53:04. | :53:08. | |
do something positive. Do you sympathise, has he been | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
mistreated? Of course I sympathise. But those | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
are the rules. That is the decision made. That he | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
has been leapfrogged by the third person? | :53:23. | :53:24. | |
That is what the court has decided to uphold. I would be sore about it. | :53:25. | :53:30. | |
The court did not overturn anything, we were trying to stop the | :53:31. | :53:35. | |
nomination of John Proctor because we had been given 30 days and we had | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
a dispute with the Conservative Party and we needed to get more time | :53:40. | :53:46. | |
to go to a judicial evaluation. The injunction for the High Court on | :53:47. | :53:54. | |
the council was not something that had to do with the vote but delaying | :53:55. | :53:58. | |
the process of nominating John Proctor. The important thing is a | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
question of democracy. Will you pursue it? It is an | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
interesting thing. The bottom line for me is that, having worked so | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
hard for an organisation for so long, I stood for three general | :54:15. | :54:19. | |
elections, I won the ballot for membership in 2014, and received | :54:20. | :54:24. | |
127,000 votes, John received zero, he did not get the backing of | :54:25. | :54:29. | |
anybody, not that many in the Conservative Party in Yorkshire. He | :54:30. | :54:33. | |
has been appointed to an elected position. | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
The question is, will I do it? It is difficult for me to say. I haven't | :54:40. | :54:44. | |
decided. We have the litigation papers ready to go and a strong | :54:45. | :54:47. | |
case. The bottom line to me is this. If an | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
organisation can treat its volunteers and its candidates like | :54:54. | :54:59. | |
slave Labour, and attacked them as they have when really they haven't | :55:00. | :55:02. | |
done anything wrong or they haven't bought the party in disrepute in any | :55:03. | :55:08. | |
particular way, what is the point of the organisation? | :55:09. | :55:10. | |
Let us know if you go ahead with further legal action. | :55:11. | :55:12. | |
Now, it's to find out the answer to our quiz. | :55:13. | :55:14. | |
The question was, what appears on the cushions in Donald | :55:15. | :55:17. | |
Or d) An embroidered image of the Mexican border? | :55:18. | :55:25. | |
I have not had an invitation to Trump Towers, I think it is the coat | :55:26. | :55:36. | |
of arms. It has got to be. It would be nice | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
to think it was any of the others. You are right. | :55:41. | :55:43. | |
Well, we're joined now by the heraldic consultant - | :55:44. | :55:45. | |
and we're pleased to hear there is such a job - | :55:46. | :55:48. | |
Welcome to the programme. Tell us about this coat of arms of Donald | :55:49. | :55:57. | |
Trump, what does it represent? It is interesting, arcane heraldic | :55:58. | :56:03. | |
Scottish law provided evidence of his deep and Ophelia and touches on | :56:04. | :56:10. | |
the royal prerogative. Donald Trump in 2008 tried to get the Government | :56:11. | :56:14. | |
support in Scotland for one of his golf courses and he put out this | :56:15. | :56:20. | |
Trump coat of arms. In fact they were created by two people in his | :56:21. | :56:27. | |
staff. You can see clear violations in the rules. Scotland has strict | :56:28. | :56:35. | |
heraldic regulations. The monarch is delegated the royal authority to the | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
Scottish judge. Trump was forced to abandon this coat of arms | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
embarrassingly. Four years later the crown granted a coat of arms to the | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
golf course, not Donald Trump. So the pillows are for an Aberdeen | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
golf course. We can see in there, what does it | :56:57. | :56:59. | |
say about him? A coat of arms is a shorthand to | :57:00. | :57:03. | |
history. We have these Scottish lion rampant | :57:04. | :57:09. | |
in a stylised version. Two stars beneath it for his American | :57:10. | :57:17. | |
heritage. And a representation for the golf course. And the double | :57:18. | :57:21. | |
headed eagle representing his Scottish- Germanic heritage. | :57:22. | :57:28. | |
The eagle is grasping two golf balls! | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
What if my guests wanted their own coat of arms, how difficult is it? | :57:35. | :57:40. | |
They must be a person of outstanding quality. | :57:41. | :57:47. | |
Anyone who has some professional qualification, a university degree | :57:48. | :57:51. | |
or stand out in the community, can petition for a coat of arms for | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
?5,000 in England, ?3000 in Scotland. | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
It is a prolonged process but the wonderful way to preserve your final | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
heritage for future generations because Coats of Arms of personal | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
property which cannot be assumed by others. | :58:08. | :58:12. | |
Any ideas for a motto if you had a coat of arms or was it might look | :58:13. | :58:14. | |
like? It would have to be some quote from | :58:15. | :58:21. | |
the Bard. They play a big part particularly liked the bit at the | :58:22. | :58:25. | |
end of Henry V where the announces the enormous war dead on the other | :58:26. | :58:29. | |
side... He had thought about it. And for | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
you? I am wondering whether there are any | :58:34. | :58:39. | |
Smith coats of arms I could steal. Can you clone them. Thanks you very | :58:40. | :58:40. | |
much. The One O'clock News is starting | :58:41. | :58:41. | |
over on BBC One now. I'll be here at noon tomorrow, | :58:42. | :58:49. | |
with all the big political stories of the day - | :58:50. | :58:52. | |
do join me then. | :58:53. | :58:55. |