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Now on BBC News, it's time for HARDtalk. | :00:00. | :00:11. | |
Welcome to HARDtalk, with me, Zeinab Badawi. No boots on the ground is | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
often heard in discussions about western interventions but President | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
Obama has committed to sending many more US special forces to Syria. | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
What is their role and do they operate under different rules from | :00:27. | :00:32. | |
conventional forces? My guest is Admiral William McRaven, who was | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
commander of US special operations, he is also the man who prepared the | :00:36. | :00:40. | |
mission that killed Osama Bin Laden five years ago. | :00:41. | :01:06. | |
Admiral William McRaven, in Texas, welcome to HARDtalk. In a nutshell, | :01:07. | :01:18. | |
what makes special forces special? Well, they are special by virtue of | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
the fact that our specially selected, specially trained and | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
specially equipped. -- they are. I tell people that the special forces | :01:27. | :01:31. | |
soldiers and marines are no braver, no more patriarch at, they just have | :01:32. | :01:38. | |
a niche in terms of special operations and that they are | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
specially selected to do a very difficult mission. That is what | :01:41. | :01:44. | |
makes them unique from the broader forces. They operate in a more | :01:45. | :01:51. | |
independent way. You are a former -- will former US captain Matt | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
Gallagher said although Congress hold pursestrings decisions about | :01:56. | :01:58. | |
individual missions at our special operations are not put before them | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
for approval. There is less congressional oversight, is in | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
there? No, I think it is a false narrative -- isn't there? There is | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
probably more congressional oversight or special operations | :02:13. | :02:16. | |
missions than conventional missions. Every special operations mission | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
that happens in a theatre of war is managed by the war commander, so | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
the... In Afghanistan it was managed by the manager there, at the same | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
for Iraq. There are routine special operations that occur in a theatre | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
of war. When emission occurs outside the theatre of war it goes up | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
through the chain of command. In the US military, the secretary of | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
defence, the president of the United States. There is a lot of oversight, | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
certainly up the chain of command in the US military. And in a emission | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
has -- if a emission has congressional oversight, or requires | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
it, it gets it, so there is more congressional oversight of special | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
operations missions. Let's look at what they do. Let's take the Middle | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
East, Syria, President Obama announced there would be 250 more | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
special forces, adding to the 50 already there -- a mission. And we | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
also have some in Iraq. They are boots on the ground effectively, are | :03:21. | :03:27. | |
they not? They certainly are. And do you think that as Matt Lee from | :03:28. | :03:31. | |
associated press, when he said to US State Department spokesman John | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
Kirby, in April when this was made, the point is he says for months and | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
months the mantra from the President and everyone in the administration | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
has been no boots on the ground, does he have a point? -- Associated | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
Press. I don't want to talk about how the president presents the | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
information. The fact is, when you have soldiers on the ground, in | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
Syria or it up, you have boots on the ground -- Iraq. The distinction | :03:59. | :04:05. | |
is what are the boots on the ground doing in terms of their mission, | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
special operations missions? The narrative coming out of the White | :04:11. | :04:14. | |
House and coming out of the US I think is consistent and has been | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
consistent. The missions that the special operations forces do are | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
very closely regulated up to the president of the United States. The | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
point I ask you, you say these are boots on the ground, whereas a | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
veteran journalist is saying that the mantra has been, from the Obama | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
administration, no boots on the ground. So it would seem to suggest | :04:38. | :04:42. | |
that you are saying that the Obama administration perhaps shouldn't be | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
saying no boots on the ground, because that is what they are. I am | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
not saying that at all. The fact is you have troops on the ground. So | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
that fact is undeniable. The mission that these troops conduct is where | :04:56. | :05:03. | |
you get into the debate. That is a debate for the president of the | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
United States and the people of the United States to engage in. It is | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
certainly not my place to make that call. What I can tell you is or | :05:12. | :05:16. | |
missions conducted our and have careful oversight. -- are. Would you | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
say they are involved in a combat role? The New York Times in December | :05:24. | :05:31. | |
said American officials resort to linguistic contortion to mask the | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
special forces' combat role. You cannot deny they are in combat. When | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
people are shooting at you, and you are shooting back, then you are in a | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
combat situation. So, they are in a combat situation? Certainly. Could | :05:48. | :05:53. | |
they be doing more in a combat role in these countries that they go | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
into, like Syria, Iraq? Well, I think they are doing a lot. I mean, | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
you can see every day in the press the missions that special operations | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
forces are conducting. I would add people believe it is only special | :06:08. | :06:14. | |
operations forces. We refer to them as SOF, special operations forces. | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
They are not alone. They have logistic support on the ground. | :06:22. | :06:24. | |
Special operations forces cannot do these missions alone. There has to | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
be a larger support network to help them out. So, you know, a lot of | :06:30. | :06:35. | |
times people want to look at this as only special operations mission. It | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
is a US military mission and with the support of a great coalition. | :06:39. | :06:44. | |
Sure, but that approach has been criticised by, for example, senior | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
respected defence analysts adviser who told us President Obama has not | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
provided the resources and willingness to commit special forces | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
in the forward areas where casualties are possible to allow | :07:00. | :07:02. | |
them to be fully effective, and he has placed too many restrictions on | :07:03. | :07:08. | |
support from other US land and air forces. Far too often he has | :07:09. | :07:11. | |
selected options which do too little too late. Do you agree with him? I | :07:12. | :07:18. | |
don't know him but what I will tell you is the president gets great | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
advice from his commanders, from special operations command is the | :07:23. | :07:24. | |
president gets great advice from his commanders, from special operations | :07:25. | :07:32. | |
commanders on the ground. The advice they provide to the secretary of | :07:33. | :07:37. | |
defence and the President is what he will follow. What you see right now | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
in the campaign in Syria and Iraq come to rid them of ISIS, ISIL, I | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
know it is a very well thought out plan. The President has been | :07:49. | :07:53. | |
supportive of that. But do you think that the idea of sending in proper | :07:54. | :08:00. | |
ground troops in a combat role, conventional forces, more special | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
operations, is an idea that is gaining traction masse in one | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
presidential debate in the US Ted Cruz said we need to put whatever | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
ground power is needed -- traction? Donald Trump said, I will listen to | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
US generals but I have heard numbers of 20,000 -30,000. We really have no | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
choice. Again, I think, with all due respect to Senator Ted Cruz and | :08:26. | :08:29. | |
Donald Trump, I think you need to go to the source, and the source is the | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
commander of the US central command, the commander of US special | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
operations command and the military chain of command which takes a very | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
hard look at all of these missions. And I know they are providing the | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
very best advice and counsel to the president of the United States and | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
he is taking that advice and counsel. So I am not in a position | :08:48. | :08:50. | |
to tell you exactly what the tactical situation looks like on the | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
ground. So it is easy to sit back in the US and second guess a lot of | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
these things. What I would tell you is the support the military forces | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
are receiving from the White House and from the department of defence | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
is the support they need to get the job done. But what would you be | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
advising the Obama at administration if you were commander of special | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
operations -- Department of Defence. -- Obama administration. You just a | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
downer couple of years ago. Numbers, for instance, 300 250 in Syria, | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
would you suggest more? What would you say it -- 300 to 50. Because I | :09:28. | :09:34. | |
am out of uniform I am not prepared to answer. You have to know what the | :09:35. | :09:38. | |
tactical situation is on the ground. A lot of the pundits who like to | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
talk about how they would do things don't have an appreciation for | :09:43. | :09:46. | |
exactly where ISIL is located, or for the support of the coalition, or | :09:47. | :09:50. | |
an appreciation for what the military forces have on the ground | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
and how they are doing business, so you have to be careful about making | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
assumptions or prognostics about how to do things without the | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
understanding of what's happening on the ground. You are at the | :10:03. | :10:08. | |
University of Texas, you are in an academic role, talking to a lot of | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
people, and I put to you what Donald Trump and Ted Cruz said, we've also | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
had a public opinion poll which is CNN joint OIC, which says 53% of | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
people in the States who would favour sending in ground troops like | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
in Syria to stabilise the situation and take on Islamic State. From what | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
you are hearing, is there are more of an appetite for this? After the | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
Iraq War, costly in terms of money and lives, there was a diminished | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
desire to see that kind of ground force go in? Well, what I know is | :10:46. | :10:52. | |
the president of the United States and the secretary of defence and the | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
entire national security apparatus in the US is committed to defeating | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
ISIL. And so I think as you look at what is happening on the ground and | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
whether we have the resources, the president and secretary of defence | :11:07. | :11:10. | |
provide those resources, as military commanders are asking for it. So I | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
do believe there is more of an appetite because when you begin to | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
see the bombings in Paris and in Brussels you realise that ISIL's | :11:21. | :11:29. | |
reach is probably broader than anticipated, and so the faster we | :11:30. | :11:31. | |
eradicate and defeat them the better of the world will be. So this is not | :11:32. | :11:37. | |
only something the president of the US understands, it is something the | :11:38. | :11:40. | |
international coalition that is part of the effort in Syria and Iraq, | :11:41. | :11:44. | |
they also understand. You said you believe that there is more of an | :11:45. | :11:51. | |
appetite to send in ground troops. Would you say at it more about it? | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
Could there be substantial numbers going into Syria, for instance? Yes, | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
I won't let you pin me down, because the fact is, I don't know the | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
tactical situation on the ground. So, what I know is that commanders | :12:05. | :12:11. | |
are providing that information to the secretary of defence, to the | :12:12. | :12:14. | |
president of the United States, collectively taking a hard look of | :12:15. | :12:18. | |
this and making the best decisions they can. In terms of specific | :12:19. | :12:21. | |
numbers I am not in a position to answer that question. When you | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
stepped down in 2014 you said we are in the golden age of special | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
operations. You pointed out that US special forces are in many | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
countries, as we have discussed, Syria and Iraq, also the | :12:33. | :12:38. | |
Philippines, taking on the fight, Boko Haram in Nigeria, that kind of | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
thing. What did you mean by the fact that it is the golden age? Certainly | :12:43. | :12:49. | |
since 9/11 what we have seen is a recognition of what the special | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
operations forces... Not just US special operations forces. It is | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
collectively be special operations forces throughout Europe, the Arab | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
coalition, joining us in Iraq and those it had joined us in | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
Afghanistan. Special operations really kind of came into their own | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
after 9/11 because there was a recognition of what they could do | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
against this threat that was both Al-Qaeda and the broader insurgency | :13:14. | :13:16. | |
threat. In order to deal with an insurgency you really have to get | :13:17. | :13:19. | |
down with the people. The US army green beret I would contend are some | :13:20. | :13:25. | |
of the best in the world at understanding how to engage with | :13:26. | :13:28. | |
tribal leaders and how to build their trust and organise the tribes | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
against the insurgent groups -- Green Beret. This was absolutely | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
required as we were fighting in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And again, the | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
coalition partners joined us in that. That is what special | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
operations forces, in particular special forces do. After September | :13:45. | :13:52. | |
11 we have seen many situations, attacks, Terra attack. We've seen | :13:53. | :13:56. | |
what happened in Paris, Brussels, all over the world. There are too | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
many demands on the special operations, and Americans, be they | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
from a nation where the attack has happened -- terror attacks. There | :14:07. | :14:09. | |
are too many demands on them. They cannot cope with this. Things can go | :14:10. | :14:15. | |
wrong. I think that is not correct either. I don't think there are too | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
many demands on them. I think you need to understand there are a lot | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
of threats out there. But there are sufficient forces to deal with those | :14:25. | :14:28. | |
threats as long as the policy lines itself with putting those special | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
operations forces in a position. Whether they are US special | :14:34. | :14:36. | |
operations forces or European special operations forces, as long | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
as policymakers decide it is the appropriate policy I think there is | :14:41. | :14:42. | |
a vision special operations forces to deal with those threats. | :14:43. | :14:48. | |
You have talked about the pressures of the job, the suicides among | :14:49. | :14:57. | |
special Ops. The person who succeeded you sought counselling in | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
the past. He has admitted to that. When you talk about precious in the | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
job, is it something you would admit to? Have you sought counselling at | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
any time in your career? What I can tell you is anybody who has been | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
engaged in the kind of warfare we have seen since 9-11, and this is | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
not just special operations, that anybody engaged in this war since | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
then has been changed. You can't be around combat and see your friends | :15:25. | :15:31. | |
killed, severely injured, and distilling the impact on their | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
families, which are under stress. -- and seeing. Combat wings a level of | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
stress with it. In the United States, we had not seen that for | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
some time. But we recognise that there is a stress on what is a | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
voluntary force. We transition to an all volunteer force several decades | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
ago, and we have the finest military the nice dates has ever seen. -- | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
United States. But is there pressure? Yes, and we are doing | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
everything we can to address those pressures. Almost talked about | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
mission was the elite Navy Seal team that you prepared five years ago to | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
kill Osama Bin Laden. From your point of view, was that a total | :16:17. | :16:22. | |
success? I think the mission was absolutely a success. It was to go | :16:23. | :16:26. | |
in and I that feel or capture Osama Bin Laden, and we did that. I don't | :16:27. | :16:34. | |
think anybody going into the mission but -- thought this would | :16:35. | :16:37. | |
fundamentally change the fight against al-Qaeda, but what we found | :16:38. | :16:41. | |
out as a result of the mission, as we could pull intelligence from the | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
target, is that Martin was much more engaged operationally than we had | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
anticipated -- Osama Bin Laden. We thought at this point you might just | :16:51. | :16:53. | |
be a figurehead who sometimes put out messages. But the intelligence | :16:54. | :16:59. | |
shows he was continuing to be heavily involved in the operational | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
aspects of al-Qaeda. There is no question in my mind the mission was | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
a success. What was the most important part was that the United | :17:09. | :17:11. | |
States with our allies and others said we have to bring this man to | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
justice. It was not about revenge by justice. So part of this mission was | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
to ensure that no matter how many years had passed by, we were going | :17:22. | :17:25. | |
to bring Osama Bin Laden and others to justice. What about the Pakistani | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
doctor who helped to in the mission in Pakistan, because he is serving a | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
long prison sentence on what your supporters say are politically | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
motivated charges. His lawyer says that he has been abandoned at the | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
United States. He says so far the US have not shown their support. What | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
do you think about that? Have you spoken up on his behalf? Know, and I | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
will not get into the details about the doctor. I think that is | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
inappropriate. Suffice to say the United States is doing everything we | :18:08. | :18:10. | |
can to resolve the issue. All right. You said the mission to kill some of | :18:11. | :18:17. | |
the modern has helped in terms of intelligence, but look where we are | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
now -- Osama Bin Laden. But look where we are now. Now his son is | :18:22. | :18:31. | |
calling people to jihad and someone. What did the mission achieved? The | :18:32. | :18:37. | |
threat of terror is still alive one, and so is al-Qaeda. Again, getting | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
back to the point I made, you have to bring these men that bring harm | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
upon the United States or Paris or Belgium, you have to bring them to | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
justice. This mission was a lot about bringing them to justice. I | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
don't think any of us thought it would fundamentally change the fight | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
against al-Qaeda, but over the course of many years we have been | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
fighting al-Qaeda, the al-Qaeda base, which was in Pakistan, has | :19:06. | :19:11. | |
been greatly diminished. The potential threat of al-Qaeda as we | :19:12. | :19:17. | |
originally knew it, I think, has been diminished significantly. Are | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
their franchises out there we take a look at ISIL and someone? They are | :19:23. | :19:28. | |
out there, and this will be a persistent and generational fight -- | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
and so on. Anyone who thinks otherwise has not been part of it. | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
We will not resolve this in the next couple of years. It will take a long | :19:38. | :19:41. | |
time. It will take an international effort to make sure we are | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
successful. And there are limits to what military efforts can achieve. | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
You have to issue the political track, such as the United States and | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
Russia are trying to find some solution between the opposition and | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
government in Damascus in Syria? It is more than a political and | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
military effort. We have to address the radical ideology out there, and | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
that has to do with our narrative. We need be moderate imams. We need | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
those great Muslims around the world to join with us and fight the | :20:17. | :20:20. | |
scourge. It is absolutely more than a military problem. You were also | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
involved in the operation to track down Saddam Hussein, so you had this | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
long career. The Defence Secretary Chuck Kabel said if ever the full | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
history of your career was written, it would need to be heavily redacted | :20:37. | :20:40. | |
because so much of it took place in the black arena, in other words in | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
secret. Secrecy is very important to the nature of the kind of operations | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
that special forces carry out, isn't it? Secrecy is certainly important | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
for you carry out a mission, and if it becomes open about certain | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
tactics, techniques and procedures used, you have to be careful about | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
making sure they don't get in the open as well. You may want to use | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
one of those the next time you conduct a mission. Clearly secrecy | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
is important, but in today's environment, as soon as a mission is | :21:15. | :21:17. | |
conducted, eggs of social media and the way the press is in a 24-hour | :21:18. | :21:24. | |
news cycle, invariably that mission will be found out -- because of | :21:25. | :21:32. | |
social media. Was that a matter of regret to you, what happened with | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
the Osama Bin Laden mission? I figure was important for the people | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
of the United States and around the world to recognise they had been an | :21:41. | :21:44. | |
effort going on since nine -11 to get Osama Bin Laden, and we would | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
not give up. The fact that the mission came out after maybe second, | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
I think it was entirely appropriate for the president to tell the | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
American people we had brought in to justice. -- made the second. I think | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
it was important for the international community to | :22:02. | :22:05. | |
understand that we will not give up when people attack the United | :22:06. | :22:08. | |
States. I have no regrets that the story of getting Osama Bin Laden | :22:09. | :22:14. | |
Gothard. Do you think the United States is expected to do too much, | :22:15. | :22:19. | |
cook the dinner, and the international community is expected | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
to serve the dish? Would you like the international community to do | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
more? Militarily, that is. I think the international committee is doing | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
more than people realise. We have a strong coalition in the Middle East. | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
Our allies, our European allies, and many Arab allies, with this in a | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
number of places in the world. We have had a great coalition since | :22:45. | :22:48. | |
9-11. The number of Allied forces I have worked with in the Iraqi and if | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
they understand our almost too numerous to mention -- Afghanistan. | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
You said during my past several years in uniform I have watched in | :22:58. | :23:01. | |
disbelief how lawmakers in the US treated service chiefs and other | :23:02. | :23:04. | |
senior officers during congressional testimony. They were men of | :23:05. | :23:10. | |
incredible integrity yet some makers showed no respect for their decades | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
of service -- lawmakers. I know you are looking at the case of one of | :23:16. | :23:18. | |
your former colleagues, but in general terms, why did you say that? | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
Are you worried about the relationship it when politicians and | :23:23. | :23:28. | |
the military? We have excellent civilian leaders, and I have always | :23:29. | :23:31. | |
been very proud of the civilian leaders I have worked for was that | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
they have been honourable men and women. My point in the article is | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
what makes the United States' military grade is the fact that we | :23:42. | :23:46. | |
understand every day we wake up that we work for our civilian leaders. | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
Our civilian chain of command, civilian lawmakers, and they have | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
been incredibly supportive of the United States military. This was | :23:55. | :24:02. | |
centred around one case, but the relationship between the United | :24:03. | :24:05. | |
States military and our civilian leaders must continue to be strong | :24:06. | :24:08. | |
as we move forward. That is what I was offering in article. Admiral | :24:09. | :24:13. | |
William McRaven, in Texas, thank you very much for coming on high torque. | :24:14. | :24:16. | |
-- HARDtalk. Thank you. Clearing skies after Sunday's | :24:17. | :24:39. | |
showers, allowing temperatures to drop, and there will be a chill | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
in the air for some of us as Monday And you can see, | :24:43. | :24:46. | |
across the northern half of Britain, | :24:47. | :24:50. |