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Order. We want to hear the gentleman's point of order. This is

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relating to Parliament. If there is going to be an emergency budget.

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Would it not have been appropriate for it to have been announced first

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in this house and not to the media. It seems a great discourtesy. What I

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would say is we are here in the realms of speculation. If there were

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to be such a budget it would have to be delivered here and we would be

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notified of that in advance. There is no such declared intention. There

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is all sorts of briefing but there is to my knowledge no such declared

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intention. If the Chancellor were here and wanted to comment upon the

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matter he could do so but he isn't and therefore I fear that he won't.

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Whether he will manifest himself during the course of today's

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proceedings it is an important debate in the House today that

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relates to economic matters, the honourable gentleman might choose to

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raise it with the Chancellor. I think we will have two await

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development of events. Point of order. Welcome to the honourable

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lady. You seem to confirm there is no budget that you are aware of and

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if that is the case and there is no budget it is in order for the

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government to go around telling the press that there is a budget when

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there isn't. I think he is being cheeky. I know of no such plan. He

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is an assiduous constituency representative. He is a politician

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and he knows that all sorts of things are speculated upon and the

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subject of conversation and rumour. All I know is the business of the

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House today. What people say outside the House is a matter for them. I

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think if people have got important things to say on public policy, for

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example between now and next Thursday, it would perhaps be

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prudent and judged to be courteous to say them in the House of commons.

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Point of order. I'm sure it was an error on behalf of the Leader of the

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Opposition but he said there were not any votes on the terrace. Sorry,

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on the Thames. Can I confirm that the wayward Lad was giving voice of

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concern to some of the river authorities and they were indeed

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saying vote Leave and some of them had spent three days coming up on

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the Thames to wish them well. It is useful to have a bit of information

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but what I would say to the honourable lady is I'm not

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responsible for boats. They are not a matter for the chair. Point of

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order. Mr Speaker, we are about to embark upon a very important debate

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being led by the Shadow Chancellor. Order. Some members are disquieted

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because they want to get on with the debate. I also want to get on with

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the debate but we must hear points of order. We must hear them and we

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will deal with the quicker if we hear them. We are about to embark on

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a very important debate on the economic benefits of UK membership

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of the European Union. The Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer is going

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to be leading of that debate. Surely it is essential that the Chancellor

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of the extra is in the House to be able to answer the points that are

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made and to defend the ludicrous stance that he had been taking in

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the media. Why is the Chancellor not here, what can this house do to

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require that you Chancellor of the Exchequer to maintain the

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conventions of this house and come to attend this debate? What I would

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say to the honourable gentleman to those attending our proceedings is

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that who the government feels to respond to the debate is a matter

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for the government and the honourable gentleman will probably

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on the whole be relieved to know that among the matters for which I

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am responsible, I am not responsible for the Chancellor's movements.

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today there will be people who may think it is somewhat discourteous of

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a senior minister responsible for the policy is not present and the

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chamber. But it is not against the rules of the house. That would be

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courteous. It would show the degree of humility and respect, but beyond

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that, it is a matter for the government to choose. I gather that

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the Secretary of State for foreign and common will fears will respond

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to the Shadow Chancellor and that is perfectly orderly. With regard to

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the resolution of the House of Commons, it states that it is of

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paramount importance that ministers give accurate and truthful

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information to Parliament and correct any mistakes at the earliest

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opportunity. With respect to what was said last week on the question,

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as he put it, that he had secured to fatal treaty changes, they sought a

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correction. I have had a letter from the Prime Minister today stating

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that my letter to him is misleading. In those circumstances, would you

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take note that I am stating that there has been a breach of the

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resolution? They do take note of what the honourable gentleman tells

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me. I take that very seriously. The honourable gentleman is an extremely

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long serving and serious minded member of the house. But I have

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already advised the honourable gentleman, to whose representation

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of a paid close attention to, but I do not think that there's a need to

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add anything to what has already been said on the matter. I simply

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say to the honourable gentleman and other members, although I have

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thoughts on these matters, I do seek ways professional counsel, which is

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impeccably independent and going based on very great experience in

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the service of this house. It does not automatically mean it is right,

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but it does mean it is serious and I feel we have two just leave it

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there. I think I have given the honourable gentleman sufficient time

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to offer his points. If there are no further points of order, we come to

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the motion. An amendment was tabled, but I would advise the house I have

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not selected the amendment. To move the motion, I call the Shadow

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Chancellor of the XJ. -- the Exchequer.

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This will be the last chance for us to debate the European Union

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situation before the vote last week. It has been described as the most

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important decision of regeneration. We have to take it in the fullest,

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considered weak. We have to acknowledge that many constituents

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have been telling us that the debate so far has not risen to the

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occasion. On the doorstep, they say they simply want the facts and the

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consequences for them and the country if we remain in the European

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Union or leave. Could I just continue. I will take interventions.

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People simply want the factual information and many say they have

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been turned off by the exaggerated claims on both sides of the

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argument. Talk of a third World War on one hand and the third race on

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the other. We do not want people ski out to the Bell box. I thank the

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honourable gentleman for giving way. But would he agree that many people

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have to see that the real threat to the economy is not whether we stay

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or leave, but the disastrous tax and spend policies which is party and he

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have advocated for years. The honourable gentleman 's

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interventions are often entertaining. Can I return to the

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subject? Many people have seen this going on within the Westminster

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bubble, within the establishment. They do not feel involved. What they

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are witnessing is maybe an unseemly battle for the future leadership of

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the Conservative Party, rather than the future of the country. Many of

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our own supporters are unclear about the position of our party. Let

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people be clear, we state that the Labour Party is for Remain. Today's

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motion spills that out. It is about jobs, investment, trade with our

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largest market, the protection of employees rates. It is also about

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creating a Europe which is more democratic, that delivers social

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justice as well as prosperity, a Europe which is more stable and

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economic elite viable. We must do nothing which jeopardises our

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European future. I will give way. Does he share my concern that all

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these many cases where the donated kingdom manufacturing plant shutdown

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with a great loss of jobs, only to see new investment made in another

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European Union country. This been done through soft loans or grants

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from the European Union. I think, where Rita leave, it would mean we

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would be cut off from the opportunity to even apply for these

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diets. Can I congratulate the honourable gentleman on his 65th

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birthday today. He is absolutely right. He is right about the

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Westminster bubble. Over the next few days, every member of the house

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have got to kill people in our constituencies what leaving the

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European Union would mean for them. It would mean a catastrophic loss of

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impact on income and productivity. There are a long -- large percentage

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of people who have not made up their minds yet. We want to concentrate on

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common facts, rather than on the exaggeration we have seen so far.

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With regard to the issues we are dealing with, letters be absolutely

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clear. This is about jobs. There are 3.5 million jobs dependent on the

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European Union membership. These would be at risk in the event of a

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Leave decision. European Union member countries accounted for

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nearly half of foreign investment. This is far more than any other

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country. Could the answer the question that the garment benchers

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have been unable to answer. Why should we spend the ?10 million a

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year net to the European Union in order to have a ?16 million a year

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trade deficit with the European Union, we're enormously modicum of

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common sense would say they have a ?60 million deficit for nothing. The

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single market gives us the largest market that we have which enables us

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to create long-term secure employment. Much of that comes from

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the growing economy we have heard over the years. Members must not

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harangue the honourable gentleman. He has been very generous in giving

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way. I at college apologise for my mannerisms. Could I put to the

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Shadow Chancellor, there are two countries Holland and Germany who

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have a trade surplus with the United Kingdom, the other 26 of the

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deficit. In the event of as opting to Leave, we would be turning our

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back on 44% of retreat and tariffs would be imposed on us. The Prime

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Minister has said it would take seven years or more for us to

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negotiate new trade deals. That could even be optimistic.

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I totally agree with them that we have two steer clear of making this

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Project Fear. But I have to say that this budget which was proposed this

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morning is exactly that. We are an anti-austerity party and we have

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voted consistently against that. With regard to the Chancellor 's

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emergency budget, we have a 6-point plan from the Leave campaign, which

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is not so much a plan, but more of a coup to take over the government.

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With this not lead to the replacement of the right wing

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government with an even more right-wing government. I will come

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back to the honourable gentleman if I can make some headway. With

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regards to trade, the European Union is Britain's largest export market

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by a long way. Nearly half of our export goes to the European Union.

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That is more than double what goes to the United States or anywhere

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else. This gives an idea of the scale and impact of the European

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Union on our economy. We believe that the notion that leaving the

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European Union would have no impact on jobs or trade is fanciful. Single

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market membership would have to be renegotiated and that would have to

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take at least two years. It would also undermine the very critical

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factors that investors and decision makers require when the invest for

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the long-term. Security and stability would be threatened. This

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morning, we saw the latest example of doubt been raised about the

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long-term investment plans if Leave we are successful.

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In my constituency, there are two things people are talking about. One

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is the economy and the other is immigration. Leaving Europe, there

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is only one thing which would be affected by that, of which would be

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the economy. It would not affect immigration. The evidence is quite

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clear that the impact on the economy would set us back years. It would

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undermine the future of our families and communities. In response to the

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honourable member referring to a trade deficit, with the Shadow

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Chancellor comment on the deficits we have with the other member states

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is no ?67.8 billion. Or trade surplus with the rest of the world

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is 31 billion, up by ?7 billion in the same year. Germany has a trade

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surplus with the rest of the European Union. It is 81.8 billion.

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What sort of single market is that for us?

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Is the honourable gentleman coming forward with proposals that he would

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propose tariffs with regard to the rest of Europe and therefore

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undermine the free trade? If that is the case that is a convergent to the

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planned economy, which I am a maze that. Can I move on. There are a

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large number of speakers and I need to move on. We have also seen

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competitors across Europe, considering relocation if the

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decision goes to Brexit. The Labour Party places importance on

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employment rights in this debate because it is those rights that

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enable ordinary workers to secure the benefits of the jobs, investment

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and trade that membership of the single market brings. Over the last

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40 years as trade unionists we have been promiscuous in where we have

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gone to secure these rights. When trade union rights were under attack

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in the last few decades we went to the EU. Paternity rights, the rights

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of parental leave, protection, the maximum working week, this hasn't

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just been to protect British workers but a race to prevent the bottom of

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Europe. All of our workers are protected wherever they work.

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Withdrawal will put jobs and investment at risk. I recently spoke

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in the Queens speech debate calling for an industrial strategy is in

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order to get long-term assurances for success. A vote to Leave,

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irrespective of whether he agrees with an industrial strategy, would

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create unwelcome uncertainty at a time when our vital manufacturing

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sector needs stability? There is a desperate need for long-term,

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patient investment in our manufacturing base to develop an

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industrial strategy. The threat of Brexit is undermining those making

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the decisions about that long-term, patient investment that we need and

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I think it would be a disaster. There is no better time for the

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Labour's movement to be considering employment rights in a manner that

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my right honourable friend has now developed. There is a pit site that

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is now owned by Mike Ashley. He employs only 200 full-time employees

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and 3000 people, mainly eastern Europeans, who are on zero our

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contracts and where a lady went to the toilet to give birth to a Child

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on New Year 's day. This is horrific. There is no better time

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for us to say, that at that pit site where after the war East Europeans

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got the same money as me, working down the coral minds, they were

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members of the union, we have to get rid of this idea that people can be

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brought here on zero our contracts. Let's state loud and clear today

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that we are going to get rid of this Mike Ashley and thousands of others

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around Britain and we will set fire to this campaign. I wholeheartedly

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concur with not only the criticisms that have been levied by the

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honourable member but also his solutions, which are based upon

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employment rights which have been undermined consistently in recent

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decades in this country. Let me say again, there is a concern that

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withdrawal will put jobs, investment, and employment, and

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trade at risk. The outcome of this leap in the dark has united that

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Chile every economist and economic institution of any standing, the

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IMF, the Bank of England, the Institute for Fiscal Studies. We

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witnessed in the last 72 hours the reaction of the world markets that

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just sifts in the polls -- shifts in the polls, will affect the value of

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the pound. The value of the pound has dropped. The Brexit campaign has

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done so much damage in the last few days. This comes at a time when our

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economy is extremely fragile. Six years of unnecessary austerities,

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the chaotic failure of various fiscal rules adopted by this

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government and our record current account deficit have made our

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economy extremely vulnerable to even a minor shock. As the markets have

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just demonstrated, leaving BT you would be interpreted as not just a

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minor shock. Let's meet turn to this issue. -- leaving the key you would

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be interpreted as not just a minor shock. Can I make a peel, please

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don't go near immigration. You have no credibility. Raising immigration

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is only helping the Leave case. I am not being bullied by anybody. The

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speaker is keeping out of it. I am seeking to facilitate fair play. I

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remind the honourable gentleman of correct parliamentary language. Can

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I ask him with the greatest respect to listen to the speech first double

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before we comes to a judgment on matter. The economic arguments for

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remaining are overpowering but the feedback from the doorstep confirms

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that immigration is a motivating factor. For some people different

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parts of the country. If he doesn't mind, I will press on. Let me deal

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with some of the economic arguments around migration. I don't come to

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this debate about immigration objectively. I am the grandson of an

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eye -- Irish migrant. They staffed the factories while many Irish women

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worthy nurses and the back bone of the NHS. They all contribute as all

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migrants do to making this economy the fifth largest in the world. That

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is what migrants overwhelmingly do. In the last decade migrants

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contributed 20 billion in taxes than they did in public services. With

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labour shortages in key sectors like structure and it is my -- it is

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migrant labour that contributes. A lack of skilled workers is already

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hurting the delivery of infrastructure projects. There are

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genuine concerns and let us admit it. There have been genuine concerns

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expressed at the impact of migration on wages and employment. These

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concerns shouldn't be dismissed. Research presented by Oxford

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University migrant observatory has demonstrated that migration has not

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had the impact of reducing rages, except in a small proportion of the

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workforce, those on the lowest pay scale. This has to be addressed.

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That is why Labour is calling for greater protection for this group of

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workers. Reforms are needed with regard to the free movement of

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people to introduce greater protection and employment rights and

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yes to halt the undercutting of wages and employment conditions. In

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government we will be negotiated to give effect to these changes. Other

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concerns have been expressed at the pressure, placed upon public

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services and other concerns have been expressed at the pressure

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placed upon our public services by migration. The reality is that our

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public services struggled to cope with existing demand because of the

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austerities measures, the cuts, the chronic underfunding forced through

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by this government over the last six years. But there is an argument that

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pressures on public services increase in an area, there must be

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funding made available to respond to this increase in demand. That is why

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Labour has argued for a special migration fund to assist those

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communities where demand increases. That is why we condemn the abolition

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of the fund that was set up by Gordon Brown and we welcome the

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Prime Minister's statement today that he is exploring the

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establishment of a fund of that sort. I say also that we want to see

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further European funding to support this initiative and that will be on

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our agenda. Does he agree that being an EU citizen in the United Kingdom

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might be uncomfortable, particularly around some of the language and the

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tone of some of the leaders of the Brexit campaign, Nigel Farage.

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Putting the 50,000 cap that Nigel Farage wants to see, we would see an

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exodus of people out of our care homes and hospitals and out of our

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schools, which would have a real impact on delivering public

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services. If it's not the case that we are an open and tolerant United

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Kingdom? I find some of the statements that have been made

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reprehensible and irresponsible because they do not weigh up the

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impact of those policies that have been advocated. Across our public

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services and our economy as well. Thank you for that. I am listening

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to the debate and contributions from across the floor and I am staggered

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at the people who come here to make a new life for themselves, with

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their families, to make a contribution to the family, are the

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scapegoats for austerity measures from people on that side. I think

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nothing more needs to be said than that eloquent statement. Can I say

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migration cuts both ways. British people have been among the main

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beneficiaries of the free movement of labour and people across Europe.

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1.2 million EU citizens live permanently in another EU country. I

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remember the generation when British workers secured jobs across Europe

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when our own economy was in recession. When the Eurozone is

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coming out of recession it will provide once again opportunities

:30:44.:30:47.

that our own people want to take advantage of. Young people

:30:48.:30:50.

especially are now studying, working and settling in large numbers across

:30:51.:30:55.

Europe. The number of UK students studying in Europe has risen a in

:30:56.:31:05.

less than a decade. As the honorary president of labour International,

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can I remind him that overseas voters who have lived abroad up to

:31:09.:31:14.

15 years, if they wish to get a proxy vote in this referendum, they

:31:15.:31:23.

need to apply by 5pm today. Could I suggest all those in the social

:31:24.:31:29.

media apply to it straightaway. Can I look to the future? Thank you for

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giving way. I would echo the number of EU migrants that work in the NHS,

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including my husband who has worked here for 30 years, paid taxes here

:31:48.:31:51.

for 30 years and is excluded from the vote. I dig we should also

:31:52.:31:55.

remember the people we do export to Europe are predominantly people who

:31:56.:32:01.

have retired to Europe. We import young working people and we export

:32:02.:32:05.

retired people and we should remember that balance. It's an

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interesting point that has been made about an ageing population, just how

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much we need youth coming into this company to balance the population

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growth. If I can move... Last one. Thank you for giving way. I think we

:32:25.:32:30.

need to point out that one in five of the social care workforce in this

:32:31.:32:35.

country, 230,000 people were not born here. Greater London is reliant

:32:36.:32:40.

on this care. 60% of adult social care workers were born abroad. Much

:32:41.:32:45.

of that sector would collapse. Noted that restricting this, have to think

:32:46.:32:52.

about our care sector. Our care sector would collapse without

:32:53.:32:55.

migrant labour and that is a danger. Much of the EU debate so far has

:32:56.:33:00.

dwelt on the past and the immediate present but at a country we need to

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look to the future. Many the issues we face are transnational. The

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refugee crisis, climate change, they aren't cross country, they cross

:33:09.:33:16.

country boundaries and the EU provides us with the cooperation

:33:17.:33:19.

with our European neighbours to tackle these issues. We have to

:33:20.:33:22.

recognise that people care about what they see as a loss of

:33:23.:33:26.

sovereignty. A strong reform agenda is needed so that there is a

:33:27.:33:33.

democratic accountability. That means making decisions in the EU

:33:34.:33:37.

that are completely open and transparent. Ensuring that the

:33:38.:33:41.

commission is democratically accountable. It starts within the UK

:33:42.:33:47.

by ensuring that we have more open and effective mechanisms for holding

:33:48.:33:49.

to account those ministers and others that represent us in the EU

:33:50.:33:56.

decision-making process. Britain takes the EU presidency shortly.

:33:57.:34:00.

That will enable us to lead the drive for reform. For the first time

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in a generation there are movements across Europe mobilising agenda of

:34:05.:34:11.

reform that we can share. There is a prospect of European coalition

:34:12.:34:16.

progress appearing. To end austerity, secure employment growth,

:34:17.:34:22.

tackle tax evasion and avoidance, tackle climate change and deal with

:34:23.:34:28.

the tragic migrant crisis. The overall debate on the EU, I think I

:34:29.:34:33.

am aware the great many British people are when it comes to making a

:34:34.:34:37.

decision next week. I didn't vote to go to the Commonwealth and I have

:34:38.:34:41.

been generally Eurosceptic and critical of the bureaucracy of the

:34:42.:34:48.

EU. I am not a Europhobic. People like me are carefully balancing the

:34:49.:34:53.

prospects of my family and my country. I think that like me many

:34:54.:34:57.

will take a pragmatic view that a leap in the dark of leaving Europe

:34:58.:35:05.

is a risk too far. For Labour supporters there is the added

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concern that needs to be taken into account. This would be a Tory

:35:10.:35:15.

Brexit. On June the 24th is Brexit goes through, it would be a Tory

:35:16.:35:21.

government that will be implementing withdrawal.

:35:22.:35:30.

It is likely, given the political fallout that there will be a

:35:31.:35:36.

Conservative government much further to the rate than this one. And, to

:35:37.:35:49.

be frank, Ukip yapping at its heels. I would ask members of the Labour

:35:50.:35:57.

Party, would they honestly trust the honourable members on the benches

:35:58.:36:04.

opposite on employment rates and it closes the door on a European future

:36:05.:36:10.

that we have the opportunity to decisively shaped in the next few

:36:11.:36:16.

years. I urge the house to support this motion. Whatever the result,

:36:17.:36:22.

the decision will be respected. The Labour Party will listen to the

:36:23.:36:27.

people and respond to the concerns. We will seek to bind our country

:36:28.:36:33.

together and not let the extremists divide does. I call the Foreign

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Secretary. Thank you Mr Speaker. As we approach the final stage of this

:36:53.:36:56.

campaign, I have to say it sometimes feels that we have lost sight of the

:36:57.:37:02.

key question that people are meant to be answering a week tomorrow. The

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question is not to be like the European Union, do we agree with

:37:09.:37:12.

everything it does. It is not about sending a message to the European

:37:13.:37:21.

Union. It is not to say, is the European Union perfect. It is not. I

:37:22.:37:26.

would be the first to say that. It is a clear question. Are we safer

:37:27.:37:35.

and stronger and better off inside a reformed European Union or outside?

:37:36.:37:41.

As Foreign Secretary, I know as well as anyone about the frustrations of

:37:42.:37:47.

decision-making by a committee of 28 and the compromises that entails.

:37:48.:37:51.

But I also know we are winning the arguments in Europe and are

:37:52.:37:56.

increasingly influential in shaping its future. They know as well that

:37:57.:38:01.

we have greater global influence as a result of being a leading member

:38:02.:38:07.

of the world's largest trading organisation. Is the European Union

:38:08.:38:20.

perfect or imperfect? There are definitely people in Scotland to

:38:21.:38:28.

believe the government is imperfect. Can we stop saying that the European

:38:29.:38:36.

Union is uniquely imperfect? The European Union as a club for

:38:37.:38:44.

independent countries. . I am grateful to the honourable

:38:45.:38:50.

gentleman. It is an imperfect institution amongst many, including

:38:51.:38:57.

our own government, I am absolutely certain. I believe it is safer to

:38:58.:39:03.

work with other European Union countries to tackle terrorism and

:39:04.:39:07.

organised crime. We benefit from being part of a market of over 500

:39:08.:39:14.

million members, with the combined weight of over one quarter of the

:39:15.:39:21.

world's gross domestic product. We said back in six years ago, that our

:39:22.:39:29.

economic security and our national security are two sides of the same

:39:30.:39:35.

coin. Without economic security, there is no national security. How

:39:36.:39:40.

could we be safer if we could not invest in our security and defence?

:39:41.:39:46.

How could we be stronger and more influential if our economy was

:39:47.:39:55.

shrinking? I will give way. How can he say we are better off, with you

:39:56.:40:00.

take the example of the fishing industry. The common fisheries

:40:01.:40:08.

policy has driven us to have two import from other countries. I take

:40:09.:40:15.

a holistic view, taking into view of the United Kingdom as a whole. I

:40:16.:40:20.

taken all the pluses and ministers. There are negatives as well as

:40:21.:40:26.

positives. These arguments as to the net benefit to this country. There

:40:27.:40:38.

can be no economic security without national security. Can the Foreign

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Secretary till the house how many of our Commonwealth leaders want us to

:40:53.:41:00.

leave the European Union? The answer is zero. I have not found any

:41:01.:41:04.

foreign leader at all urging Britain to leave the European Union. None at

:41:05.:41:10.

all seeing we would be more influential or more valuable as a

:41:11.:41:14.

partner if we left the European Union. I need to make some progress.

:41:15.:41:24.

The honourable member for keys and Harlington has already set out some

:41:25.:41:31.

of the economic benefits. I welcome his candid assessment of the

:41:32.:41:37.

achievements in the past four decades. He spoke about the

:41:38.:41:42.

protection of workers rates. I agree. The likes of maternity and

:41:43.:41:52.

paternity leave. It was a Conservative government which

:41:53.:41:56.

abolished the job tax and took 3 million of the lowest paid out of

:41:57.:42:06.

the income tax system. We are also instigating the national minimum

:42:07.:42:13.

wage. It is worth reminding, as well, because the Labour Party can

:42:14.:42:18.

sometimes forget this, that the most fundamental right for any worker is

:42:19.:42:23.

the right to have a job and DP packet at the end of the month. 2.5

:42:24.:42:31.

million people enjoy that more now than they did under the Labour

:42:32.:42:37.

government. That is the result of conservative fiscal management. A

:42:38.:42:41.

recognisable of employment goal by the Conservative government. He

:42:42.:42:52.

referred to the net benefit of the United Kingdom being in the single

:42:53.:42:59.

market. Can he say that this is actually a trade deficit according

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to the House of Commons library. The other 27 member states are no less

:43:04.:43:11.

than 67.8 billion of goods and services, which is up 10 billion

:43:12.:43:15.

from the previous year and escalating. How is that a net

:43:16.:43:23.

benefit. I will come to this. My honourable friend to Wales on the

:43:24.:43:28.

trade statistics alone. I would suggest that the leader issues about

:43:29.:43:37.

the overall impact on our economy. There are questions about the

:43:38.:43:45.

growth, dynamism and other benefits that being part of this union, with

:43:46.:43:58.

500 million consumers assists us. Since he has seen fit to criticise

:43:59.:44:03.

my government 's record when they were in power. The cuts put onto the

:44:04.:44:14.

lowest paid in the country has made them feel that there is nothing to

:44:15.:44:19.

lose ready to leave the European Union. Does he agree that if we vote

:44:20.:44:29.

to Remain, we need to see real action from his party. We can only

:44:30.:44:37.

do the idea of having a robust economy which is soundly based. I

:44:38.:44:42.

think we will effectively do that the eye being part of the European

:44:43.:44:47.

Union. Our membership gives us the freedom to trade in the world's

:44:48.:44:53.

largest single market. 500 million consumers. It allows us to do it

:44:54.:44:59.

without tariffs or the bureaucracy of customs barriers. The benefits of

:45:00.:45:04.

being in the single market are clear for us to see. 44% of our exports go

:45:05.:45:11.

to the European Union. Much of that would be lost if we put up the

:45:12.:45:16.

shutters and renounced our European Union membership? Many businesses

:45:17.:45:22.

and employees would go to the wall? How long would it take to

:45:23.:45:29.

renegotiate a new trade agreement with our European neighbours? What

:45:30.:45:33.

would the Thames B? Not half as favourable as they are at moment. --

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Thames B. With regard to the team it would

:45:38.:45:51.

take to renegotiate a new trade deal, but what assessment has has

:45:52.:45:55.

department made about the length of time it would take the British

:45:56.:46:00.

government to renegotiate all of these deals so we could trade with

:46:01.:46:06.

the rest of the world? The honourable gentleman raises a good

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point. The Prime Minister talked about this very issue. We believe it

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would take at least two years to negotiate our exit from the European

:46:19.:46:25.

Union. Thereafter, we must negotiate a trade deal with the European union

:46:26.:46:31.

and with the other 53 countries around the world with which the

:46:32.:46:36.

European Union currently has trade agreements with. We do not actually

:46:37.:46:43.

have any trade negotiators. For the last 40 years, the European Union

:46:44.:46:48.

has conducted that for us. This is not just about time. It is about the

:46:49.:46:53.

price we would have to pay to negotiate access to the single

:46:54.:46:56.

market from a crusade that. On the evidence of others who have done it,

:46:57.:47:03.

the price would be freedom of movement, acceptance of the entire

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body of European Union regulation and a whopping annual sum to put.

:47:08.:47:16.

All the things that the Leave campaign CB would escape from. The

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reality is that it would be the worst of all worlds. With regard to

:47:24.:47:26.

the trade deficit with the European Union, where we to exit the single

:47:27.:47:34.

market, the part of free trade that would be most at risk would be

:47:35.:47:42.

services and in services, we enjoy a ?20 billion trade surplus. My

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honourable friend is axed absolutely right. I want to address that point

:47:46.:47:55.

later on. Any deal which we do with the European Union would certainly

:47:56.:48:00.

exclude free access for services and that would be something of a problem

:48:01.:48:09.

for an economy like ours, which is almost 80% services. If we remain

:48:10.:48:13.

inside the European Union we can look forward to eat huge dividends

:48:14.:48:19.

from an opening of the market in services in the coming years. The

:48:20.:48:23.

truth is, when it comes to the single market, we have barely

:48:24.:48:27.

scratched the surface. The single market in goods is will develop, but

:48:28.:48:36.

in the sectors in which we actually reading, finance, business, Digital

:48:37.:48:42.

economy, creative industries, the potential remains huge and the

:48:43.:48:46.

European Union 's high-value market as the police to realise that. I

:48:47.:48:56.

will give way. We have from the head of Airbus about the threat to

:48:57.:49:03.

investment where Reid to leave the European Union. Does he not agree

:49:04.:49:10.

that these are simply not jobs we can afford to lose.

:49:11.:49:22.

We have never had a straight answer to that question, what we do have is

:49:23.:49:29.

a range of independent estimates of what that number would be if we vote

:49:30.:49:34.

to Leave next Thursday and I shall come to that in a moment. It is

:49:35.:49:42.

because of the potential for the UK of opening up the services market in

:49:43.:49:48.

the European Union that the deal be Prime Minister negotiated in

:49:49.:49:52.

February is so important because we now have a clear political

:49:53.:49:55.

commitment from all 27 other European Union member states, plus

:49:56.:50:01.

the commission, to accelerate the development of these markets. These

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are the sectors in which the UK leads in Europe, where an expansion

:50:05.:50:09.

of the single market would disproportionately and fit the

:50:10.:50:12.

United Kingdom over the years ahead. I will give way. Does he recognise

:50:13.:50:19.

that that commitment to the proper completion of the single market in

:50:20.:50:24.

services added to the completion of a capital market union places the

:50:25.:50:28.

United Kingdom in a unique position to develop its world leading sector

:50:29.:50:32.

and it would be mad to walk away from that opportunity. He is right.

:50:33.:50:38.

This is what I hear from many of my European colleagues. We are about to

:50:39.:50:42.

move from a phase of European Union development into a new phase, which

:50:43.:50:47.

is hugely beneficial to the United Kingdom and yet we are talking about

:50:48.:51:00.

walking away from it at this point. Our financial services industry

:51:01.:51:01.

alone is currently contributes more than 7% of UK GDP and employs more

:51:02.:51:05.

than 1 million people, two thirds of them outside London. However there

:51:06.:51:07.

is not yet a single market for financial services across the key

:51:08.:51:12.

you. The potential is huge. A fully function in digital marketplace

:51:13.:51:16.

could be worth as much as 330 alien pounds with the UK again set to

:51:17.:51:21.

benefit more than any other as the leading digital economy in Europe

:51:22.:51:28.

and it was also be a huge boost for Britain's digital savvy consumers,

:51:29.:51:34.

who would be able to shop freely across the single digital

:51:35.:51:36.

marketplace. People are already feeling the benefits in the EU

:51:37.:51:41.

agreement led by the UK to end mobile roaming charges, which is

:51:42.:51:47.

estimated will save UK consumers around ?350 million a year and we

:51:48.:51:51.

help all been enjoying the budget airline boom created by EU

:51:52.:51:59.

regulations. Does he agree that the precise reason why the markets had

:52:00.:52:03.

such a shock yesterday was the brat of the prospect of us giving way

:52:04.:52:08.

based on a couple of holes and this shock to our financial system was

:52:09.:52:13.

hitting the pension funds of hard-working people. If the prospect

:52:14.:52:19.

of Brexit causes that shock, what on earth would actual Brexit look like?

:52:20.:52:24.

He is right. We can regard what has been happening in the markets this

:52:25.:52:30.

week as a tremor, a taste of what could be to come. If, on June the

:52:31.:52:36.

23rd, the people of Britain vote to take that leap into the dark. To

:52:37.:52:42.

continue my theme, a fully fledged energy union in gas and electricity

:52:43.:52:47.

markets could save 50 billion pounds a year across the EU with huge

:52:48.:52:51.

benefits for consumers in their energy bills as well as making

:52:52.:52:56.

Europe safer from threats in energy blackmail. It is not just trade

:52:57.:53:01.

benefits that our membership delivers because as a member of the

:53:02.:53:06.

world's largest economic block the benefit directly from being party to

:53:07.:53:11.

trade agreement with more than 50 other countries, agreements with

:53:12.:53:14.

terms far more favourable than any we could have negotiated alone

:53:15.:53:19.

because of the combined negotiating muscle of an economic block with a

:53:20.:53:24.

quarter of the world's GDP. Taking into account the countries... I will

:53:25.:53:32.

give way. When it comes to trade it is one of the areas where I think

:53:33.:53:38.

size does matter. Does the Foreign Secretary agree that a deal that is

:53:39.:53:43.

trying to be struck between Switzerland and China because we

:53:44.:53:46.

hear much about what the world would be like if we leave the EU. My

:53:47.:53:51.

understanding is part of that deal, the Chinese are negotiating for full

:53:52.:53:54.

access to the Swiss market but they have told the Swiss they have to

:53:55.:53:59.

wait 15 years to come in to the Chinese market. She is absolutely

:54:00.:54:05.

right. The deal on the table between Switzerland and China is deeply

:54:06.:54:09.

asymmetrical and deeply unfavourable to the Swiss that frankly reflects

:54:10.:54:12.

the Miss match in scale between those two markets. Being part of the

:54:13.:54:18.

world's largest economic block allows us to sit and stare into the

:54:19.:54:25.

eyes of Chinese speakers and American speakers when we are

:54:26.:54:30.

negotiating future trade deals. I just want to make some progress, 44%

:54:31.:54:37.

of the UK's exports go to the EU, this has become a well rehearsed

:54:38.:54:41.

factor in this debate but it is one that underestimates the case.

:54:42.:54:45.

Because, it addresses only exports to the unit cell. If we take into

:54:46.:54:49.

account the countries with which the EU has a trade agreement, that

:54:50.:54:58.

figure goes up to 56%. That, of course, doesn't take into account

:54:59.:55:02.

any of the countries with which the EU is currently in the process of

:55:03.:55:06.

negotiating free trade agreements. If we included then we would be

:55:07.:55:11.

talking about over 80% of UK exports, either to the EU or to

:55:12.:55:16.

countries with which the EU has trade agreements. At the very least,

:55:17.:55:21.

more than half of Britain's exports would be at risk if we leave the

:55:22.:55:25.

European Union. It could take a decade or more to put in place new

:55:26.:55:31.

deals with the 50 other countries with which we have those free trade

:55:32.:55:37.

agreements. It isn't about choosing between growing our trade with the

:55:38.:55:41.

EU or growing our trade with the rest of the globe, as these figures

:55:42.:55:45.

show, our EU membership is key to both. Isn't the absurdity of talking

:55:46.:55:56.

about the deficit and surplus with the rest of the world that the trade

:55:57.:56:01.

we have with the rest of the world, those exports are largely through

:56:02.:56:06.

foreign companies, like Japanese car-makers and American banks, those

:56:07.:56:08.

companies who based themselves a because we are in the single market.

:56:09.:56:12.

They are trading with the whole world, they don't see it as two

:56:13.:56:16.

different places, and that is our attitude that we should take. He is

:56:17.:56:22.

right. The world's Supply chain has globalised and I have to say, if I

:56:23.:56:27.

am honest, when I listen to the arguments of some of our opponents

:56:28.:56:31.

in this debate, while they frame them in terms of hostility to the

:56:32.:56:35.

European Union, I sometimes wonder whether what I am hearing is

:56:36.:56:38.

hostility to the globalisation of our economy. Mr Speaker, what is

:56:39.:56:44.

true for traders also true for investment. The reality is that

:56:45.:56:51.

Britain benefits hugely as a platform for investment, both from

:56:52.:56:56.

EU and from non-EU countries, many of which see us as a gateway to the

:56:57.:57:00.

rest of the European Union. They come here because of our language,

:57:01.:57:06.

skills, flexible labour markets, domestic regular Tory environment.

:57:07.:57:09.

But if I talk to foreign companies based in this country is that Mac

:57:10.:57:20.

domestic regular Tory environment. It is clear that the single most

:57:21.:57:24.

important factor in the decision-making of most of them is

:57:25.:57:28.

our membership of the European Union. A membership that makes

:57:29.:57:31.

Britain a launch pad for doing business with the rest of Europe.

:57:32.:57:38.

Almost three in every four foreign investors site our access to the

:57:39.:57:42.

European market as a principal reason for investment in the UK. If

:57:43.:57:46.

we lost that access we would lose the investment. It is as simple as

:57:47.:57:53.

that. Is he aware of the report that came out by E Y that the UK continue

:57:54.:58:01.

investment in the European Union. investment in the European Union.

:58:02.:58:06.

Does he agree with me that a vote to remain would encourage further

:58:07.:58:08.

investment in the northern powerhouse and in other regions as

:58:09.:58:14.

well. He is absolutely right, the Treasury analysis shows that the UK

:58:15.:58:18.

is the largest recipient of foreign direct investment in the EU, head of

:58:19.:58:24.

Germany and France. We get almost one fifth of total foreign direct

:58:25.:58:28.

investment to EU countries, so 20% of the investment with less than 12%

:58:29.:58:33.

of the population. I would remind the House that every pound of that

:58:34.:58:38.

investment is creating jobs in the UK. That is why Australia is,

:58:39.:58:44.

disproportionately large investment in the UK. This is why so many

:58:45.:58:48.

Indian firms use this country as a base and it is wide world leaders --

:58:49.:58:56.

by world leaders all believe we would lose out if we vote to leave

:58:57.:59:02.

the European Union. Will he confirm that this is the case with regards

:59:03.:59:06.

to Japan and Japanese investments, in whom we rely for our nuclear

:59:07.:59:11.

power generation in this country. Not just our new generation of

:59:12.:59:16.

nuclear power but also a large part of our thriving Kinder Street, which

:59:17.:59:23.

is built and based on the ability to export -- our thriving car industry.

:59:24.:59:30.

That has transformed the economics of our car industry and the Labour

:59:31.:59:33.

relations in our car industry. It has done wonders that this country

:59:34.:59:38.

and the fact that we would even contemplate undermining the basis on

:59:39.:59:43.

which that investment is here astonishes me. Mr Speaker, I will

:59:44.:59:49.

make some progress. The practical consequences of lower trade and

:59:50.:59:53.

investment if we left the EU would be felt directly by the British

:59:54.:59:59.

people. It would mean fewer jobs and higher unemployment. An estimated

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3.3 million jobs in the UK, more than one in every ten, is linked to

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exports to other EU countries. 250,000 jobs in Scotland, a quarter

:00:11.:00:14.

of a million in the south-west, half a million through the Midlands,

:00:15.:00:19.

700,000 in the north of England. How secure will they be if we vote for

:00:20.:00:27.

Brexit next Thursday? How will the spectre of rising unemployment

:00:28.:00:31.

undermine consumer spending and sap business confidence to blight once

:00:32.:00:35.

again those areas of the country that have been around this cycle all

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too often. The most recent poll just published showed that support for

:00:48.:00:52.

Leave in Scotland is only 32%. Is he beginning to reject the FNP call for

:00:53.:01:00.

a four nation collection -- collaboration on the referendum. No.

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This is a very important debate. We have to use of the power of

:01:07.:01:11.

persuasion to win it, not tricks. We have one week to make the case. We

:01:12.:01:16.

need to make it openly and fairly. We need to let the British people

:01:17.:01:22.

decide. Whatever their decision, however much we may not like it, we

:01:23.:01:28.

have to accept it, abide by it and implemented. That is exactly what we

:01:29.:01:34.

will do. Mr Speaker, over 100,000 British businesses export to the EU

:01:35.:01:38.

and the future of every single one of them and every single person who

:01:39.:01:44.

works in them will be put on hold if there is a vote to leave next

:01:45.:01:48.

Thursday. Will they be able to maintain access to their markets?

:01:49.:01:53.

Will they face tariffs? Will their customers hedged their bets and take

:01:54.:01:57.

their business elsewhere, just in case? It is difficult to see how

:01:58.:02:06.

even the most upbeat Brexit ear -- Brexiteers, will approve of the

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country being taken back to the dark days of 2008. I never want to go

:02:18.:02:29.

there again. Roles Royce have a manufacturing facility in my

:02:30.:02:33.

constituency. They have made it very clear that the threat to jobs,

:02:34.:02:41.

unemployment has fallen 60% six 2010, all of that is put at risk and

:02:42.:02:47.

that it highlighted by a CBI support which says a shock to our economy

:02:48.:02:55.

could cost 950,000 jobs. Does the Foreign Secretary agree with me that

:02:56.:02:59.

it is simply not a risk worth taking? I absolutely agree with my

:03:00.:03:05.

honourable friend. This is a risk we don't need to take and it is a risk

:03:06.:03:09.

that it would be absurd to take. I cannot believe that after all of the

:03:10.:03:12.

grief and pain we have been through in this country to rebuild our

:03:13.:03:19.

economy after the disaster of 2000 and 82 2009 the seriously thinking

:03:20.:03:22.

about going back there. That is astonishing to me. -- 2080 2009.

:03:23.:03:32.

Economic experts have judged that Britain's economy will be stronger

:03:33.:03:38.

if we name in the EU. Nine out of ten economists, independent

:03:39.:03:44.

organisations like the IMF, the World Trade Organisation, all

:03:45.:03:47.

expressed the view that the UK will be better off inside the EU. It is

:03:48.:03:54.

not just economists, it is more than 200 entrepreneurs, founders of

:03:55.:03:59.

household names like Innocent drinks and last-minute .com. There has

:04:00.:04:07.

rarely been an issue that can unite people from trade unions, too large

:04:08.:04:12.

and small British businesses, the overwhelming weight of economic and

:04:13.:04:15.

business opinion is clear. Britain is better off In.

:04:16.:04:27.

on and could as to check some of the information coming from the Leave

:04:28.:04:46.

campaign. I am happy to repeat that the British people will have the she

:04:47.:04:52.

and they will make the decision and we will implement it. I do not

:04:53.:04:59.

believe the 27 other partners and the European Union, the ritzy, we

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can go through all this again. This is the deciding point. People have

:05:07.:05:12.

to look at the options in front of us. A future that we know we can

:05:13.:05:16.

predict, a Briton in the European Union which is created 2.5 million

:05:17.:05:23.

jobs over the past six years, with the rate of growth which has

:05:24.:05:27.

outstripped any other country in the European Union or to take that leap

:05:28.:05:32.

in the dark. I want to make some more progress no. What would be the

:05:33.:05:40.

consequences of a vote Leave to? Where street, because we would lose

:05:41.:05:46.

access to the single market and free trade agreements that the European

:05:47.:05:54.

Union have. Foreign businesses not using the United Kingdom as a launch

:05:55.:06:00.

pad for their businesses, harming investment. And slower growth

:06:01.:06:04.

because the economy would effectively be on hold for at least

:06:05.:06:09.

two years until we negotiated the terms of our exit and almost

:06:10.:06:14.

certainly far longer. And fewer jobs because of the climate of economic

:06:15.:06:23.

uncertainty, few companies would be expanding the workforce. The

:06:24.:06:31.

director-general of the CBI estimated it would be almost 1

:06:32.:06:36.

million fewer jobs in the United Kingdom in the next four years and

:06:37.:06:39.

those under the age of 24 would-be the hardest. An exit negotiation

:06:40.:06:50.

from the European Union would be far from the straightforward a fear that

:06:51.:06:58.

the Leave camp are promising. The elections in France and Germany next

:06:59.:07:02.

year and I can guarantee that every vested interest via would be

:07:03.:07:10.

expecting to benefit from the British exit. We could expect no

:07:11.:07:14.

favours from those we have chosen to snub. This idea that we could

:07:15.:07:20.

negotiate a better deal from the outside rather than the one we do

:07:21.:07:27.

from the inside, at the same time as the European union was telling us to

:07:28.:07:33.

stay. It is simple fantasy. It simply will not happen. A moment

:07:34.:07:41.

ago, he talked about companies exporting to Europe and how that

:07:42.:07:44.

might be harmed by is leaving the European union. In the event of

:07:45.:07:55.

Leave E vote, with all businesses not struggle because of a lack of

:07:56.:08:02.

consumer spending power? From experience I can tell you what will

:08:03.:08:10.

happen. If we opt to leave the European Union, the markets will

:08:11.:08:17.

panic, consumers will do likewise and stop spending. This will have a

:08:18.:08:23.

huge impact on our economic stability. We need to remain it and

:08:24.:08:30.

hope worldly looking trading union and everyone to remain prosperous,

:08:31.:08:34.

we must move up the ladder, not doughnut. This future has to be

:08:35.:08:40.

about how your skills, higher wages and how your investment, not the

:08:41.:08:47.

opposite. The European Union has many feelings attached to it and no

:08:48.:08:54.

one doubts that. If we remain on the inside, we can and should influence

:08:55.:08:59.

the speed and direction of reform. If we step outside, we will be

:09:00.:09:03.

affected by the rules of the European Union bubble way of

:09:04.:09:10.

influencing them and no way of reform if the institutions. The

:09:11.:09:13.

consequences of the decision that the British people make next week

:09:14.:09:18.

will reverberate down the generations. This is not a decision

:09:19.:09:24.

to be taken lightly. All of our futures depend on it. No is not the

:09:25.:09:32.

time for reckless risk taking. It is time for cool, calculated

:09:33.:09:36.

consideration of the fights, the evidence and the expert opinion. All

:09:37.:09:43.

point to the same conclusion. We are stronger and better and safer off

:09:44.:09:52.

within a reformed European Union. Once again, we find ourselves

:09:53.:09:56.

involved any referendum and the crucial debate about more hour for

:09:57.:10:06.

this place. More critically, more power for the front bench over the.

:10:07.:10:11.

You may have been at 816 and 17-year-olds of the vote in this.

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But this is about younger people, about the future. About the tape of

:10:17.:10:25.

country we want to see. He was also reluctant to extend the deadline saw

:10:26.:10:35.

more young people could vote. It will impact younger people for far

:10:36.:10:40.

longer than little impact on those in this chamber. I'd hate to see it,

:10:41.:10:50.

but the Leave campaign have fought a vary in negative campaign. They have

:10:51.:11:04.

steered well clear of the facts. I was wanting to give them the benefit

:11:05.:11:08.

of the doubt, only to find myself in a leaflet advocating for Leave when

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I did not support that position. This was a power grab for the most

:11:17.:11:19.

right wing government in recent times. Instead of the Leave plans,

:11:20.:11:31.

what are the positive reasons for staying within the European Union?

:11:32.:11:38.

It is about cooperation with our member states. It gives us access to

:11:39.:11:43.

a single market of 500 million consumers. The European Union is

:11:44.:11:50.

Scotland's top export destination. There is more whiskey drunk in a

:11:51.:11:57.

month in France than cognac in a year. But that will not stop is

:11:58.:12:02.

exporting to the rest of the world. We benefit from many other markets.

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That will still be there. It will still be there. If anything, the

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European Union benefits as because we can step out the large European

:12:17.:12:22.

market. It is not just about big business. Small business benefits

:12:23.:12:26.

almost more than any. There are many businesses in my constituency that

:12:27.:12:33.

cannot afford a lawyer and 28 capital cities around the European

:12:34.:12:40.

Union. It fundamentally helps them. Would he agree that those in the

:12:41.:12:50.

Leave campaign say that we are in the fifth largest economy in the

:12:51.:12:57.

world, forget that many states in the United States are bigger than

:12:58.:13:01.

ours. We cannot compete with the likes of China. Would he agree that

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this is the ridiculous claim by the Leave campaign. I agree with them.

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Just as Scotland is a medium-size European state, the United Kingdom

:13:21.:13:23.

is in reality a medium-sized global state. By as the tread of many

:13:24.:13:35.

countries who have no connection with the European Union grown

:13:36.:13:40.

considerably in recent years. The idea that wit we would draw by

:13:41.:13:46.

leaving this enormous trading block is failing to face up to facts. It

:13:47.:13:56.

also helps us internally. If you think about the health care benefits

:13:57.:14:03.

that we have. Research, that is healthier. Scotland is currently

:14:04.:14:08.

leading the way on dementia research. I am proud of the role we

:14:09.:14:18.

have in that. Just as other member states are contributing to our

:14:19.:14:21.

health through the research. I give way. There are many hill schemes we

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have heard and part of the reason we are in this debate is for 40 years,

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we never talk about anything we gained, cleaner here, cleaner water,

:14:38.:14:49.

cleaner seaside. The European medicines agency is here sitting in

:14:50.:14:57.

London. I want to help everyone. Can I just say, we have over 50 people

:14:58.:15:05.

wanting to speak. That will not be possible if there are so many

:15:06.:15:12.

interventions. I think we benefit in a large of ways. Membership of the

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European Union has me does cleaner. I am sure members all round would

:15:22.:15:24.

congratulate the Scottish common for meeting the climate change targets

:15:25.:15:31.

for years ahead of schedule. We got very little help from this place but

:15:32.:15:35.

plenty of cooperation from our European partners. The quality,

:15:36.:15:42.

which was mentioned, the number of years ago, we had the likes of acid

:15:43.:15:50.

rain affecting Germany, the ear quality directives came out of that.

:15:51.:15:56.

It benefits all offers. If you look at Scotland's renewables industry

:15:57.:16:03.

which is thriving, no thanks to this government, but a lot of thanks to

:16:04.:16:06.

the cooperation of our European partners. Those people who are going

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to speak shortly, could he please not intervene at the moment? Working

:16:21.:16:30.

with partners has me does cleaner and mid Scotland healthier and

:16:31.:16:36.

wealthier. It has also made us smarter. Our universities IC dearly

:16:37.:16:47.

the benefits of collaboration with our European partners. In 2014,

:16:48.:16:53.

Scotland has received over ?200 million from the science fund it is

:16:54.:17:03.

set to receive ?1.2 billion by 2020. The benefits are huge for everyone

:17:04.:17:09.

on the campus. Across the United Kingdom there are nearly 11,500

:17:10.:17:19.

European Union students contributing to our universities, benefiting them

:17:20.:17:23.

clearly. Would he agree that collaborations such as that at

:17:24.:17:27.

Glasgow University could not happen if we were not part of this European

:17:28.:17:34.

Union family? That is an excellent point. Collaboration with the

:17:35.:17:40.

universities. A French student at Saint Andrews showed me the creation

:17:41.:17:46.

of the black hole. She raises a good point. I am someone who benefited

:17:47.:17:55.

from freedom of movement. I was able to pick up the opportunities that I

:17:56.:18:01.

had and I do not want to vote to take these opportunities away from

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young people the options I had and the opportunities many members in

:18:08.:18:11.

this house will have had. I just want to make a little progress.

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Freedom of movement, which often benefits companies as well as

:18:15.:18:21.

individuals within the society. The net contribution which has been made

:18:22.:18:26.

by the European Union has been significant. If you took that

:18:27.:18:33.

funding and we, the Chancellor would have even less money to impose this

:18:34.:18:39.

austerity budget he is proposing. The point I wish to make is that

:18:40.:18:45.

those students and those universities not only gain from what

:18:46.:18:49.

the European Union gives to them, but that also allows them to leave

:18:50.:18:57.

80 billion news for additional research spending to help educate

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everyone. A very good point. The ?350 million figure that were

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splashed about on the side of the bus. That did not last long when it

:19:10.:19:15.

stood up to no scrutiny. It ignored the huge range of benefits we gain

:19:16.:19:20.

from the European which call beyond that membership fee. Can we talk

:19:21.:19:29.

about also that freedom of movement is a two-way process. We think about

:19:30.:19:34.

the 1.5 million United Kingdom citizens who benefit greatly from

:19:35.:19:37.

freedom of movement across the European Union. I often pose this

:19:38.:19:45.

question. What is the difference between a European Union migrant and

:19:46.:19:51.

British expatriate? They are basically the same. On freedom of

:19:52.:19:57.

movement, some of the appalling language which has come out during

:19:58.:20:02.

this campaign has been terrible. Not least about migration and refugees.

:20:03.:20:07.

Where we benefit is from working with our European Union partner John

:20:08.:20:15.

foreign policy. The American policy -- President said the big mistake

:20:16.:20:28.

was the action in the aftermath of Libya the failure for us to deal

:20:29.:20:32.

with within the European Union has caused great problems and that is

:20:33.:20:36.

where most of the refugees are now coming from.

:20:37.:20:38.

In a few moments time the members on this site will be well aware that

:20:39.:20:52.

Chilcott will be published at the European Union had nothing to do

:20:53.:20:57.

with the disaster in Iraq and other UK foreign policy disasters. Compare

:20:58.:21:06.

this to the EU as a soft power. The EU and the process they make in

:21:07.:21:10.

stabilising south-east Europe and the future they could have another

:21:11.:21:14.

regions in dealing with the former Soviet Union, Europe can be a soft

:21:15.:21:18.

superpower and we need to be at the heart of that as well. As our

:21:19.:21:24.

partners in the European Union have said, our membership of Nato and the

:21:25.:21:28.

European Union complemented each other and have given us the longest

:21:29.:21:34.

period of peace and prosperity in European history and that is

:21:35.:21:39.

something that we should not forget. Finally on these different points I

:21:40.:21:42.

want to talk about where the European Union has made us fairer.

:21:43.:21:48.

The EU protect us in so many times, for paid holidays, giving parents,

:21:49.:21:53.

mums and dads the right to parental leave, and just think about the

:21:54.:21:58.

Draconian trade union laws that they want to bring in. Do you want to

:21:59.:22:03.

leave us up to the mercy of a right-wing conservative government

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when it comes to social protection? Social protections that have been

:22:07.:22:10.

advanced through our membership of the European Union. Last night the

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member for Uxbridge, who is actually not here, which doesn't surprise me,

:22:15.:22:21.

given the going over he got, he highlighted something he had said

:22:22.:22:25.

previously, we could easily scrap the social Charter. He is right,

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they could easily scrap the social Charter and all the benefits that go

:22:30.:22:33.

with it because this is, when it comes down to it, a right-wing Tory

:22:34.:22:39.

power grab. You are putting the right wing Tory foxes in charge of

:22:40.:22:44.

the chicken coop of progressive politics in the United Kingdom. I

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thank the honourable member for giving way and he is confronting

:22:51.:22:54.

directly the leftist leave argument that has been made which ignores the

:22:55.:22:58.

fact that we would be plunged into recession and pretends there would

:22:59.:23:03.

not be prosperity in Europe. There would be a carnival of reaction, not

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just in these benches opposite but also across Europe where right-wing

:23:07.:23:12.

and neofascist parties would come forward and destroy rights in the

:23:13.:23:17.

country as well. The member raises an excellent point. Frankly, Mr

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Deputy Speaker, you can't trust them, you can't trust them with

:23:22.:23:26.

social protection, you can't trust them with our environment and you

:23:27.:23:29.

can't trust them with workers' rights. This is a Tory excuse for

:23:30.:23:33.

more austerity and it is what is coming if you vote to leave. Lemmy

:23:34.:23:39.

also talk about democracy. We also talk about democracy from the vote

:23:40.:23:48.

to leave. We talk of Brexit people talking about democracy. There are

:23:49.:23:52.

28 elected state and 28 commissioners appointed by this

:23:53.:23:55.

government and the Parliament who can sack those commissioners. They

:23:56.:23:59.

talk of a Tory government majority here that was gained with just one

:24:00.:24:03.

in four voters voting for them and their worst selection result in

:24:04.:24:09.

Scotland for many years. They talk of a victory in Scotland with a

:24:10.:24:14.

fifth of vote and defeat with an SNP was just under half the vote and

:24:15.:24:17.

they talk up democracy as they eye up the seat in an affront to

:24:18.:24:22.

democracy that sits along at the end. Do not be fulled by their

:24:23.:24:28.

appeals for democracy, they could learn a thing or two about democracy

:24:29.:24:36.

from Europe. The EU is made up of 28 independent member states and nobody

:24:37.:24:40.

questions the independence of Germany, France, Denmark. Mary

:24:41.:24:46.

Robinson says she believes that Ireland only truly became

:24:47.:24:48.

independent after it joined the European Union. Another member made

:24:49.:24:55.

a valuable point earlier on when he said the European Union is a club

:24:56.:25:01.

for independent member states. The union of the UK is not. Not being

:25:02.:25:05.

independent here means you can have the poll tax, nuclear missiles on

:25:06.:25:09.

your soil, your fisheries described as expendable by a Tory government,

:25:10.:25:15.

against the wishes of your people, that is not democratic. In

:25:16.:25:19.

conclusion I joined the SNP because I want to see Scotland in the world.

:25:20.:25:24.

The real isolation came from the union and doing things through the

:25:25.:25:28.

prism of London. I started saying that this is about our future but

:25:29.:25:35.

let is -- let us reflect on the past. Scotland may be on the fringes

:25:36.:25:38.

of Europe geographically but we sit at its heart politically. I am

:25:39.:25:45.

commemorating the visit of Pope Benedict to Scotland. Scotland was

:25:46.:25:50.

once remarked as the special daughter of the church and that was

:25:51.:25:54.

back in 1218 when the Pope was trying to set out an archbishop in

:25:55.:25:59.

my constituency in St Andrews. Back then our European partners were

:26:00.:26:03.

protecting us from the worst excesses. Even when William

:26:04.:26:11.

Wallace's first act was a letter to rejoin the Hanseatic league, it's

:26:12.:26:19.

European Union of its day. With our environmental commitment and a

:26:20.:26:23.

commitment to clean future and our universities excellence and a

:26:24.:26:26.

commitment to social progression, Scotland remains the heart of

:26:27.:26:32.

Europe, and I hope that the isolationist tendencies of vote to

:26:33.:26:34.

leave and many in this place will not win out and we vote to remain

:26:35.:26:42.

next week. John Redwood. Prosperity not austerity is what we want and

:26:43.:26:46.

that would be so much easier to achieve when we cast off the

:26:47.:26:52.

shackles of the European Union. It is an institution renowned for its

:26:53.:26:57.

gross austerity. The damages it has done through swathes of our

:26:58.:27:02.

continent, driving young people into unemployment and preventing school

:27:03.:27:05.

leavers getting any job at all and starving public services of cash. We

:27:06.:27:10.

have seen the terrible damage done increase in parts of Italy and Spain

:27:11.:27:15.

and Portugal from these policies. How could we have some freedom to

:27:16.:27:19.

distance ourselves from them and we would have even more freedom when we

:27:20.:27:24.

take back our own money and taxes and budgets. I find it, Mr Deputy

:27:25.:27:28.

Speaker, bizarre that I woke this morning to press comment that there

:27:29.:27:35.

would need to be a post-Brexit about Budget. They seem to have conceded

:27:36.:27:41.

defeat and I will wait to see what the British public really wanted a

:27:42.:27:44.

vote that is still to be decided. They seem to have conceded defeat

:27:45.:27:48.

and said they would launch an austerity Budget if the British

:27:49.:27:50.

people dare to vote for their freedom and then of democracy. There

:27:51.:27:54.

was absolutely no need to do that and I would like to reassure the

:27:55.:27:57.

British people there would be absolutely no chance of them getting

:27:58.:28:01.

such a Budget through this House of Commons. I do not see any enthusiasm

:28:02.:28:22.

for it from the SNP or the Labour Party and there are many

:28:23.:28:26.

Conservative MPs who offer Brexit will be voting for lower taxes and

:28:27.:28:28.

more public spending, because that is what we will be able to afford

:28:29.:28:31.

out of the Brexit bonus or dividend when we get that 10 billion a year

:28:32.:28:35.

back that we send to them and do not get back. They do so hate it... I

:28:36.:28:38.

can't, because I had to be tight on time because others wish to speak.

:28:39.:28:41.

They so hate the idea that there is going to be this dividend because

:28:42.:28:43.

they know that the money is taken away from us and not used for the

:28:44.:28:46.

priorities of their electors, their health services and education

:28:47.:28:48.

services and getting rid of VAT on fuel, and much hated imposition that

:28:49.:28:51.

hits those on lower incomes far more than others and something we are

:28:52.:28:56.

legally not allowed to do within the European Union but which we would be

:28:57.:28:59.

free to do soon as the British people voted to leave, if that is

:29:00.:29:03.

their wish. The issue of our membership of the European Union

:29:04.:29:07.

needs to be looked at over the longer term because all of the

:29:08.:29:20.

gloomy and bogus forecasts have been getting from the people who wish to

:29:21.:29:22.

remain in our based on the assumption that the single market is

:29:23.:29:25.

some precious and virtuous body we can belong to which has fuelled our

:29:26.:29:27.

prosperity and manufacturing growth so far and which would no longer be

:29:28.:29:30.

a available to us we left. They are on both counts. It has not helped

:29:31.:29:36.

our manufacturing and when we leave we would still have access to the

:29:37.:29:40.

single market, just as 165 other countries around the world have

:29:41.:29:44.

access to that were -- market daily, without being members and without

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having to accept the freedom of movement provisions and without

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having to accept the taxes and the laws that are imposed on us in a

:29:52.:29:55.

wide range of issues that have nothing to do with trade whatsoever.

:29:56.:30:02.

Because the position of the single market when it came in did not

:30:03.:30:07.

accelerate our growth rate or our experts or manufacture in any way,

:30:08.:30:12.

the government did a very long -- good long-term survey. It took the

:30:13.:30:17.

period from 1951 to 2007. They started in 1951 because to leave out

:30:18.:30:23.

the bit right after the war with a big demobilisation affect ten to 51

:30:24.:30:27.

was a stable year and up until 2007, you can say the figures for

:30:28.:30:31.

Manufacturing today are identical because unfortunately we had a deep

:30:32.:30:34.

recession and we're just about getting back to those levels today.

:30:35.:30:41.

What those figures showed was that between 1951 and 1972, before we

:30:42.:30:45.

joined the European Union, we had manufacturing output growth of over

:30:46.:30:50.

4% per annum and now we're in the thing that has been absolutely no

:30:51.:30:53.

manufacturing growth at all over that very long time period. If we

:30:54.:30:59.

look at individual sectors we can see that prior to joining the

:31:00.:31:03.

European Union power metal sector grow at 3% per annum and it has

:31:04.:31:08.

declined at 6% per annum since we have been in it. Our food and drink

:31:09.:31:12.

industry grew up 5.6 per annum before we joined and it has been

:31:13.:31:16.

falling at what the semper and since we have been in the EU. Our textile

:31:17.:31:22.

sector grow at 2% per annum and it has now fallen by 6% per annum

:31:23.:31:30.

since. We had a steel industry thanks to massive national

:31:31.:31:31.

investment and the Labour government of the 60s and it now does 11

:31:32.:31:37.

million tonnes only. We had a 400,000 tonne aluminium industry

:31:38.:31:40.

when we joined the EU and now we have a 43,000 tonnes left. We had a

:31:41.:31:45.

20 million tonnes cement industry when we joined and we have a 12

:31:46.:31:49.

million tonne industry left and we had a 1 million tiny fishing

:31:50.:31:54.

industry when we joined the EU and we have just 600,000 tonnes left

:31:55.:31:59.

now. Some of these industries, particularly the fishing industries,

:32:00.:32:02.

my honourable friend well knows, have been gravely damaged by our EU

:32:03.:32:08.

membership itself. It is EU rules and the common fishing policy and

:32:09.:32:11.

the quota allocations to other countries against the interests of

:32:12.:32:15.

our own fish are people that has led to a halving of the numbers of

:32:16.:32:19.

fishermen that we have in our country during our membership of the

:32:20.:32:25.

European Union. Far from our experience in manufacturing being

:32:26.:32:28.

benign in the European Union, we have discovered that high energy

:32:29.:32:32.

prices, rate subsidies and arrangements that help other

:32:33.:32:37.

countries more than ours and a policy quite often of providing

:32:38.:32:42.

subsidy and Grant and cheap loans to manufacturers to literally transfer

:32:43.:32:47.

plants to Britain and other continental countries has been part

:32:48.:32:51.

of the background to the dreadful erosion of our manufacturing. It is

:32:52.:32:55.

fed to look in manufacturing because as I think Reamin campaigners always

:32:56.:33:04.

say and agree, there is no single market in services. The single

:33:05.:33:09.

market was completed by goods in 1992 and now we have the experience

:33:10.:33:14.

until today and it has not made any beneficial difference whatsoever to

:33:15.:33:18.

our manufacturing, this very deep-set decline which is

:33:19.:33:22.

characterised by a period in the European Union was not turned around

:33:23.:33:25.

by the single market measures which were introduced. Fortunately our

:33:26.:33:31.

services have not yet been damaged by the growing regulation within the

:33:32.:33:36.

EU but the evidence from what happened to manufacturing is not

:33:37.:33:39.

encouraging when you look at what might happen to our services. We

:33:40.:33:44.

already have many cases where the City of London defending his

:33:45.:33:47.

interest as a financial service provider finds itself at variance

:33:48.:33:49.

with European rules coming in and because it is settled by a qualified

:33:50.:33:54.

majority vote, being around the table is no use to us because we get

:33:55.:33:59.

outvoted and if we dare to take it further we get European Court

:34:00.:34:03.

judgments against our alleged infringement of their rules. Mr

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Deputy Speaker, I know that you are very keen that I keep these remarks

:34:07.:34:11.

very short and this is a very important case that doesn't get

:34:12.:34:14.

heard in this house so I am afraid for once I am not going to be able

:34:15.:34:18.

to take interventions. The position is quite simple. Outside the

:34:19.:34:24.

European Union we will continue to trade fully with the European Union,

:34:25.:34:28.

as we do today. On our side we are not proposing a wholesale removal of

:34:29.:34:33.

rules and regulations. One of the genuine benefits of the single

:34:34.:34:36.

market, as has been pointed out, is that there are common rules and

:34:37.:34:40.

regulations for trading with all countries. The great news is that we

:34:41.:34:45.

get the benefit of that whether we are in or out. The Americans have

:34:46.:34:49.

grown that trade more quickly with the EU than we have from within and

:34:50.:34:52.

they get the benefits of that part of the single market because they

:34:53.:34:57.

only have two supply to one specification, just as we do from

:34:58.:35:01.

within. The advantage we would get outside is that many of the common

:35:02.:35:06.

rules and standards are informed by global ones. We have been kicked off

:35:07.:35:09.

the global bodies by the European Union and with will get our seat and

:35:10.:35:14.

vote and voice back on the global bodies so we will have more

:35:15.:35:18.

influence at the top table in return for no longer being part of the EU.

:35:19.:35:27.

For prosperity, not austerity, for control of our own taxes, spending

:35:28.:35:34.

our own money, providing growth out of spending that extra money,

:35:35.:35:38.

trading freely without restrictions, vote leave. I am grateful to have

:35:39.:35:48.

followed the Right Honourable member for walking, equality is considered

:35:49.:35:54.

one of the more erudite spokesman of the campaign. I waited for a

:35:55.:36:06.

coherent, case, but instead we got this makes fantasy and naivete which

:36:07.:36:10.

I never thought would hear expressed in the way it was. I would like to

:36:11.:36:14.

make three points. Firstly, his diagnosis and the diagnosis of the

:36:15.:36:19.

British economy and its relationship to its European economic hinterland

:36:20.:36:27.

is based on a perception of gumball diplomacy and tariff walls, economic

:36:28.:36:33.

rivalry. It is such a backward looking view. As Margaret Thatcher

:36:34.:36:39.

herself rightly recognise and the inventor of the single market

:36:40.:36:44.

rightly recognised, modern trade is not about taxes, levies and tariffs

:36:45.:36:49.

but about the rules, the standards, the norms, the qualifications and

:36:50.:36:51.

the regulations that either incest or impede trade. -- either assist or

:36:52.:36:58.

impede trade. If you are not in the room where those rules are being

:36:59.:37:02.

made, what control do you gain by being outside the room? It is a

:37:03.:37:10.

catastrophic loss of sovereignty and loss of control. I will give way. As

:37:11.:37:15.

usual, the Right honourable gentleman is actually just off beam.

:37:16.:37:25.

The way in which... He is completely incapable of getting anything on the

:37:26.:37:29.

European Union rights. The manner in which the decisions are taken by the

:37:30.:37:35.

Council of ministers, are the well knows, is largely behind closed

:37:36.:37:41.

doors, and are not made any manner in which he suggests. -- at the well

:37:42.:37:49.

knows. Being called off beam by the honourable gentleman is... He and I

:37:50.:37:53.

share a passion for Sheffield, so we shall put that aside. Services are

:37:54.:38:13.

barely affected by tariffs. What is affected. We are services economy

:38:14.:38:20.

superpower protected by the rules which we'll be excluded from. As the

:38:21.:38:26.

honourable gentleman acknowledged, it is a work in progress, so what do

:38:27.:38:30.

you do when there is a work in progress when you are the chief

:38:31.:38:34.

author and architect of the success in that very area? Why on earth

:38:35.:38:39.

would you walk away from the construction of the building of

:38:40.:38:42.

which you are the chief architect and the chief beneficiary? 7%

:38:43.:38:48.

increase energy DP is the calculation of the improvement in

:38:49.:38:58.

economic in this country that the Brexit can want to walk away from --

:38:59.:39:05.

7% increase in GDP. Why was there an improvement in manufacturing

:39:06.:39:10.

activity with the single market? -- why was there no improvement? The

:39:11.:39:21.

way he used statistics, even by the friendly basis standard by which

:39:22.:39:23.

that ethics have been bandied about by both sides in this campaign,

:39:24.:39:29.

spectacularly misleading. -- that statistics have been bandied about.

:39:30.:39:33.

You would think this club we have been a member for 40 years would be

:39:34.:39:36.

the fount of all misery if you listen to the browser campaign. How

:39:37.:39:40.

come we are still an independent, and broadly speaking prosperous

:39:41.:39:45.

nation if we have been a member of it for over four decades? The second

:39:46.:39:53.

point, which is completely omitted by the analysis from the Brexit

:39:54.:39:58.

campaigners, is our current deficit. To be fair it is something the

:39:59.:40:01.

Government is very silent on as well, for good reason, because it is

:40:02.:40:08.

shockingly large. 7% GDP is historically and internationally

:40:09.:40:11.

very, very high, and in my view in the under sustainable by historical

:40:12.:40:18.

standards. -- unsustainable. If you run such a huge unprecedented

:40:19.:40:22.

current-account deficit, you rely on the kindness of strangers. The only

:40:23.:40:28.

way that current-account deficit is sustainable is if strangers from

:40:29.:40:34.

elsewhere in the world and nest in assets in this country. Property,

:40:35.:40:42.

infrastructure, financial services, factories, companies. -- invest in

:40:43.:40:47.

assets. What are those investors? Because it is on the kindness of

:40:48.:40:51.

those strangers upon which these sustainability of that ballooning

:40:52.:40:54.

current-account deficit relies. What will those strangers think after

:40:55.:41:00.

next Thursday when they do not even know whether our country will

:41:01.:41:03.

survive at all? The United Kingdom may not persist because Scotland may

:41:04.:41:08.

trigger a second referendum and see the United Kingdom fault. What are

:41:09.:41:13.

they going to the as they see this year after year after year of

:41:14.:41:18.

grinding political and constitutional and economic

:41:19.:41:21.

uncertainty? Why would they continue to invest in UK plc? And if they

:41:22.:41:25.

suddenly pull out of their money, I will tell you what will happen. The

:41:26.:41:28.

pound will plummet. Inflation in prizes for ordinary people will go

:41:29.:41:34.

up. We will be caught in an economic whirlwind which these people

:41:35.:41:38.

irresponsibly want to inflict on millions of our citizens. It is a

:41:39.:41:45.

scandalous position to take. He is making some very powerful points.

:41:46.:41:48.

Can I just remind the House that we are still living with the

:41:49.:41:55.

consequences of the financial crisis in 2007, 2008. I would say to the

:41:56.:41:58.

right honourable gentleman that the answer to the question he is asking,

:41:59.:42:02.

the stock market has fallen by 80 billion in the last few days as

:42:03.:42:05.

investors recognise the risk to this country if we have a Brexit vote

:42:06.:42:10.

next week. That is the start of Lisa Nandy he is talking about. Why would

:42:11.:42:14.

we risk the Bristol area day of the United Kingdom and the rest of

:42:15.:42:18.

Europe by taking such an action? -- risk the prosperity? I played a

:42:19.:42:25.

role, somewhat pointlessly, it turned out, for five years and the

:42:26.:42:33.

Coalition Government, to try and provide the political stability the

:42:34.:42:36.

country needed to recover from that cardiac arrest that occurred in

:42:37.:42:41.

2008. It was I think the right thing to do. You cannot recover from that

:42:42.:42:46.

kind of, if you have closed and constitutional and political

:42:47.:42:49.

instability, yet that is what the Brexit can want to wilfully inflict

:42:50.:42:53.

on this place and the country. It is astonishing they want to drag us

:42:54.:42:57.

back into the furnace of that economic disaster from which we are

:42:58.:43:02.

still escaping right now. Third and final point. Unlike a think every

:43:03.:43:06.

single member of this has, in a previous incarnation, before I went

:43:07.:43:10.

into politics, I actually worked in a relatively lowly manner as an

:43:11.:43:14.

international trade negotiator. I was part of the EU trade negotiation

:43:15.:43:20.

team which tried to settle the terms of China's accession into the World

:43:21.:43:22.

Trade Organisation. I spent months haggling with hard-nosed Russian

:43:23.:43:31.

trade negotiators about the overflight rights pay by British

:43:32.:43:35.

Airways and European airlines and the overflow Siberia. I spent a lot

:43:36.:43:38.

of time with international trade negotiator. These are very

:43:39.:43:44.

unsentimental people. And the idea, it is on the larval something to say

:43:45.:43:48.

it, that you can pool out of the world's's largest economic block and

:43:49.:43:53.

then say to these unsentimental people, who have driven such a hard

:43:54.:43:58.

bargain, we want not just the same. We want better deals, better set of

:43:59.:44:07.

conditions on the half of and economy of only 60 million. Who do

:44:08.:44:10.

the Brexit can think these negotiators are? They are not stupid

:44:11.:44:14.

and naive. They will just sniggered. I have scoured the Internet this

:44:15.:44:20.

morning to look for these apparently freedom loving nations who will cut

:44:21.:44:24.

these favourable deals with us as we depart into this land of milk and

:44:25.:44:30.

honey as people ever lovely give us concessions. -- effortlessly give us

:44:31.:44:36.

concessions. I cannot find any ones. Have the Indian said it? Has the

:44:37.:44:42.

Americans, the trillions? Not a single country anywhere in the world

:44:43.:44:46.

has said that they will give better terms of trade to the United Kingdom

:44:47.:44:48.

on its own and the European Union. So please, if we do one thing

:44:49.:44:54.

between now and next Thursday, while means let's thrash it out between

:44:55.:45:00.

those who want us to remain in the EU, flawed and reformed as it must

:45:01.:45:03.

be, and those who want us to go out. But let's not do it on these

:45:04.:45:07.

falsehoods, this misleading nonsense, the naivete and fun to see

:45:08.:45:11.

which would do this great country of ours such a terrible disservice. --

:45:12.:45:18.

and naivete and fantasy. It is a great nostalgic pleasure to follow

:45:19.:45:23.

the honourable member for Sheffield and Hallen, and you can reiterate --

:45:24.:45:28.

here Henrietta read the fears that he first enunciated if we left the

:45:29.:45:34.

ERM, and those fears proved wrong. And then the fears which he next

:45:35.:45:39.

enunciated, if we did not join the euro, and in the proved the reverse

:45:40.:45:45.

of the truth. So it is nostalgic to hear him recycling has damaged goods

:45:46.:45:49.

again today. It is even more of a pleasure to follow from my right

:45:50.:45:54.

honourable friend, the member from walking, because he and I worked

:45:55.:45:59.

together at the DTI, and I think I am the only serving member of

:46:00.:46:04.

Parliament, possibly apart from the member for Sheffield and Hallam, who

:46:05.:46:09.

has experience negotiating successfully and international trade

:46:10.:46:12.

deal, and with my right honourable friend, we introduced the single

:46:13.:46:16.

market programme into this country. So we have some experience, and I

:46:17.:46:22.

want to apply that experience to some of the arguments. I find on

:46:23.:46:27.

this issue, as most issues, we in politics, when we have no experience

:46:28.:46:32.

on anything, we simply adopt the most plausible argument that

:46:33.:46:35.

supports our case. That is, I am large, is what happens on matters of

:46:36.:46:40.

trade and economic in their size, because there is so little

:46:41.:46:47.

experience of it. -- in this House. I am one of the few who has

:46:48.:46:52.

experience in this. Let me first take the very idea that trade

:46:53.:46:57.

agreements are a necessary and essential for trade. They are

:46:58.:47:00.

important, I hate to say it, because I have got a vested interest in

:47:01.:47:07.

claiming my interest in these things, but less important than

:47:08.:47:10.

people imagine. Particularly between developed countries. The average

:47:11.:47:21.

tariff that would apply to British exports to the EU, and the almost

:47:22.:47:27.

inconceivable circumstances that we had no free trade agreement with

:47:28.:47:35.

them, would average 2.4%. Better not to have that. I would rather not

:47:36.:47:42.

have that. But compared with the movements in the exchange rate, it

:47:43.:47:45.

is negligible and much less important than we think. The only

:47:46.:47:49.

important trade deals are those with the fast-growing markets of Asia,

:47:50.:47:54.

Latin America, and Europe, which still do have high tariff levels,

:47:55.:47:58.

and we ought to be wooden to negotiate trade deals with them. --

:47:59.:48:06.

looking to negotiate. I entirely agree with everything that the right

:48:07.:48:09.

honourable gentleman asset. What we have not discussed in far is that

:48:10.:48:15.

people want us, our market, just as much as we may want their market. It

:48:16.:48:20.

takes two to tango in any trade deal, and trade deals will go on

:48:21.:48:26.

regardless. My honourable friend is absolutely right. Trade deals take

:48:27.:48:29.

place because the are in the mutual interests of both parties. They are

:48:30.:48:34.

not actually a military conflict. They are something like trade

:48:35.:48:37.

itself, which takes place between two parties. And very plausible but

:48:38.:48:41.

incorrect argument is that trade agreements always take a long time.

:48:42.:48:47.

When the Secretary for foreign affairs was asked whether they had

:48:48.:48:57.

done any study of trade agreements, a Freedom of information request

:48:58.:48:59.

revealed neither the Treasury or the Government have done any study of

:49:00.:49:03.

these trade agreements and I wish the talks knowledgeable. But studies

:49:04.:49:08.

have been done. I refer to one done by the European Centre of studies in

:49:09.:49:13.

Germany, who has done a study of every single trade agreement in the

:49:14.:49:19.

last 15 years, 20 years. There are 88 of them. The average time the

:49:20.:49:29.

trick was 28 months. -- time they took. But there was a great variety

:49:30.:49:34.

of times. The ones that are going time, which concurs with my

:49:35.:49:37.

experience, were those that involve lots of countries. And by

:49:38.:49:43.

definition, any EU treaty involves 28 countries and take a long time.

:49:44.:49:47.

Because all of those 28 countries have vetoes.

:49:48.:49:58.

Bilateral treaties between two countries take less than that

:49:59.:50:05.

average of 28 months. We shouldn't start eluding people that it will

:50:06.:50:09.

take a long time to negotiate bilateral deals with countries who

:50:10.:50:14.

already have bilateral deals with Switzerland, for example. A member

:50:15.:50:17.

asked rhetorically whether anyone was queueing up for trade deals with

:50:18.:50:22.

us. Don't look for what they say, look for what they do. Switzerland

:50:23.:50:29.

has trade deals with countries whose total GDP is four times that of the

:50:30.:50:33.

countries with which the EU has trade deals. Chile has trade deals

:50:34.:50:40.

with countries who GDP collectively is even bigger than that.

:50:41.:50:44.

Switzerland has a trade deal with China. We are told it is a bad deal

:50:45.:50:49.

for Switzerland but clearly the Swiss did not think so. They

:50:50.:50:53.

published on their website the details of this deal and you can

:50:54.:50:58.

look at it. By the time the EU even gets around to negotiating a trader

:50:59.:51:03.

with China, which, by the way, they will never succeed because they

:51:04.:51:07.

insist on human rights terms that the Chinese will not accept, the

:51:08.:51:11.

Swiss will have zero tariffs on the vast majority of their exports to

:51:12.:51:17.

China. I thank my right honourable friend forgiving way and he is a

:51:18.:51:20.

distinguished former trade Secretary knows what he on about and we come

:51:21.:51:24.

from different sides of the debate on this issue, but would he accept

:51:25.:51:28.

that all of his experience and wisdom and contacts in the

:51:29.:51:31.

Commonwealth and the European Union, particularly in the Commonwealth,

:51:32.:51:39.

people wanted to do business with Britain in and out of Europe, is it

:51:40.:51:44.

not the case that Commonwealth leaders want to have a trade deal

:51:45.:51:47.

with the whole of Europe, not just United Kingdom. They probably want

:51:48.:51:53.

trade deals with whoever they can negotiate sensible trade deals with

:51:54.:51:56.

and they will not say it is either/ or, they will want to trade deal

:51:57.:51:59.

with us because we are the fifth biggest economy in the world, and

:52:00.:52:02.

they will want to trade with the EU but they will find it takes a very

:52:03.:52:06.

long time because all 28 countries will have to agree to it first. Now

:52:07.:52:11.

there is a suggestion very often that the deal is that the EU gets

:52:12.:52:20.

will be better because it's bigger. Actually, not only are they more

:52:21.:52:22.

complicated to do with lots of countries, but they take longer and

:52:23.:52:26.

the result is worse and list comprehensive because you have 28

:52:27.:52:30.

times as many exceptions and exclusions so they are less

:52:31.:52:35.

comprehensive trade deals. As far as the UK is concerned they are even

:52:36.:52:39.

less likely to be in our interest because we can see what has happened

:52:40.:52:45.

so far. One third of the trade deals the EU has negotiated with other

:52:46.:52:50.

countries, one third of those deals don't include services. Services are

:52:51.:52:54.

very important to this country as has been repeatedly stated, but less

:52:55.:52:59.

important to the rest of the EU, so they don't bother to include

:53:00.:53:03.

services in it. Switzerland also has a great importance to exporting

:53:04.:53:09.

services so 90% of their trade deals do include services, as, of course,

:53:10.:53:12.

would ours if we were independent and making our own deals. I am

:53:13.:53:18.

grateful to you for giving way. You mention Switzerland quite often and

:53:19.:53:21.

it is part of the European economic area but they still placed their

:53:22.:53:27.

banking services in London to access the rest of the European Union

:53:28.:53:32.

through the passport any agreements. Has he looks at that particular

:53:33.:53:38.

problem and does he have a solution? Actually they moved their banking

:53:39.:53:42.

centres to London after the Big Bang and before the single market. I

:53:43.:53:48.

actually negotiated the second banking directive which introduced

:53:49.:53:51.

passport in for banks and I was so proud of and I wanted to make a

:53:52.:53:55.

speech saying what a wonderful thing it was and what a wonderful thing

:53:56.:53:58.

the single market programme was and I asked my officials to find

:53:59.:54:01.

examples of banks and others that were using, doing things made

:54:02.:54:07.

possible by the single market programme in this sort of passport

:54:08.:54:11.

and because they couldn't find a single one at that point because

:54:12.:54:14.

nearly all banks trade through subsidiaries which means they don't

:54:15.:54:18.

take advantage of the passport in which allows you to operate through

:54:19.:54:24.

a branch rather than a subsidiary regulated by the British financial

:54:25.:54:28.

authorities in the country in which they operate, they choose to buy

:54:29.:54:32.

banks and their other countries that I will come on to other aspects of a

:54:33.:54:36.

passport in issue that I will come onto of time permits. I give way. I

:54:37.:54:41.

am grateful to the honourable gentleman and I always listen very

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carefully to what he says. He has made a very strong case about the

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difficulties as a large trading block of 27 nations negotiating, and

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the time it would take to do that. Why is it that he does feel that in

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short measure it would be possible for the UK to re-establish its

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trading relations with an EU that no longer had us as part of it. He has

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made a very compelling case to show why that would not be possible. I

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was going to come onto it. It takes quite a long time, for examples, for

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the EU to negotiate a trade deal with Canada because each country has

:55:25.:55:27.

tariffs against the other and different product specifications and

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so on, and they are having to trade off a cut on tariffs on steel

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against another cut against leather goods and you can see can take a

:55:37.:55:40.

long time, particularly if there is not much enthusiasm for it at all.

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If you are starting, as we do come with the rest of Europe, with zero

:55:46.:55:50.

tariffs on both sides and common product standards, zero to zero can

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be negotiated in a very short space of time I would've thought, compared

:55:55.:56:00.

with 10,000 different tariff lines which are involved in other tariff

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agreements, so it should not take long goodwill on both sides to

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negotiate a free trade, continuing free-trade deal. I'm afraid the

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honourable member has burnt his boats. There is another myth, which

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is, I'm afraid, actually proffered my right honourable friend the

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Foreign Secretary. That is that we will need to re-negotiate the trade

:56:31.:56:37.

agreement with all the countries with which the EU currently has

:56:38.:56:42.

trade agreements. That is not the case. There is an accepted principle

:56:43.:56:47.

in international law, the principle of continuity, that if a political

:56:48.:56:52.

unit splits in two parts, like the Soviet Union did, for example, or

:56:53.:56:56.

Czechoslovakia did, then the component parts continue with that

:56:57.:57:00.

agreement unless one party objects to it. There is absolutely no reason

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to suppose that the countries with which we currently are party to free

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trade agreements will want when that free trade agreement. For a example,

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when the Soviet Union broke up it then was not a member of the WTO so

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it had traded under separate trade agreements, I'll come to an end in a

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minute, with other countries. Those trade agreements automatically

:57:31.:57:35.

motivated so that even America within greets -- not weeks had

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motivated its agreements to Russia and other successor states. I am

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under pressure to finish so I will try to do so. Just one final world

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if I may on the single market. It is often talked about as if it is some

:57:52.:57:59.

arcane inner sanctum. It is simply the European market. It is like the

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American single market. We have no agreement with the American single

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market and we are not members of the American single market, but it is

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our biggest trading party nationally in the world. All the single market

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consisted of was standardising the product specification so instead of

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having to have 20 ranges of refrigerator or lawn mower or

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whatever, you have one, and that is very sensible. It is just as much an

:58:26.:58:33.

advantage to an exporter from outside the EU exporting

:58:34.:58:35.

refrigerators or lawn mower was into the EU as it is for member states

:58:36.:58:40.

within it. And actually they have taken more advantage of it than we

:58:41.:58:45.

have and exports have gone up more than ours have, perhaps because they

:58:46.:58:50.

don't have to bear the burden of EU regulations on 100% of their firms,

:58:51.:58:54.

but only on those aspects of their activities carried out the EU. That

:58:55.:58:58.

is another aspect of the benefits that we would get from leaving,

:58:59.:59:03.

along with our ability to negotiate free-trade agreements with a

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fast-growing protected market in the world, on whom our children's future

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will depend. After this next speech, we are now on a five-minute limit.

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Caroline Flint. It is a pleasure to follow The Right Honourable member

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for Hitchin and Harpenden speak on the debate. He has added to my 57

:59:22.:59:27.

varieties of what the future might be if we leave the European Union it

:59:28.:59:30.

when it comes to our trading arrangements. Like the Foreign

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Secretary he was right when he said that few people say they love the

:59:34.:59:37.

EU, but many like me passionately love our country and like me they

:59:38.:59:41.

believe Britain is a strong country, one

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of the great nations and a force for good and our status as the fifth

:59:54.:59:57.

largest economic power is not undermined by 40 years of EU

:59:58.:59:59.

membership, rather it has been sustained and enhanced by it. The

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league campaign have no credible answers to the question of what we

:00:03.:00:04.

gain economically by leaving, and those voters who have not decided

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yet often raise their concerns about the uncertain place Britain may

:00:08.:00:13.

occupy after the 23rd if we leave. I don't believe that uncertainty is a

:00:14.:00:17.

price worth paying. Unless the governor of the bank of England and

:00:18.:00:22.

almost every independent economic forecast are wrong, the UK will lose

:00:23.:00:26.

business, trade, jobs and investment, if we leave, landing the

:00:27.:00:31.

government with lower tax revenues, and that means less for our

:00:32.:00:35.

hospitals and schools. Even Brexit campaigners acknowledge there will

:00:36.:00:39.

be an economic shock while they plan to spend fantasy money ten times

:00:40.:00:44.

over. I appreciate how difficult it is for my constituents and many

:00:45.:00:48.

others to see the wood for the trees. Some of the claims and

:00:49.:00:52.

counterclaims from both sides have not helped, but my first concern is

:00:53.:00:55.

not for the wealthy because they will survive whatever the outcome.

:00:56.:00:59.

The leave campaign likes to suggest that it is only in the interest of

:01:00.:01:03.

the big corporate companies, the wealthy and the establishment, to

:01:04.:01:09.

remain. I suppose as MPs we are all part of the establishment, but if I

:01:10.:01:14.

was not, I would not be, none of my family is. It is black background,

:01:15.:01:19.

wanting the best for my constituents, and living in

:01:20.:01:22.

Doncaster for nearly 20 years that causes me so much concern about how

:01:23.:01:26.

ordinary families should pray the price if we leave. When I was a

:01:27.:01:29.

child only the well-off could fly abroad. Today we have cheap air

:01:30.:01:34.

travel, we can stay in touch with home without a ?300 head they'll --

:01:35.:01:38.

phone bill and we have guarantees to enjoy holidays and we have a

:01:39.:01:45.

European health card to ensure access to health treatment anywhere

:01:46.:01:49.

in the EU. They are helped to afford those holidays because their

:01:50.:01:51.

shopping and other bills are cheaper and more jobs are available because

:01:52.:01:56.

of our EU membership. I don't want people to exist just to work, but

:01:57.:02:01.

through their opportunity to work I want them to be able to enjoy life

:02:02.:02:07.

as well. In Yorkshire 250,000 jobs are directly linked to the EU.

:02:08.:02:15.

Siemens is investing ?160 and offshore wind manufacturing. Many

:02:16.:02:22.

small and medium-size businesses in Europe and it is in the interests of

:02:23.:02:26.

our region and our country to stay and it is those jobs and rights and

:02:27.:02:30.

benefits and the enjoyment that we get from them which we must protect.

:02:31.:02:36.

The last Labour government signed up to the social chapter, ensuring

:02:37.:02:40.

every worker won the right to four weeks paid holiday. Nationally we

:02:41.:02:45.

added bank holidays on top. A good example of how we can improve

:02:46.:02:49.

workers' rights really EU and as a sovereign nation as well. We forget

:02:50.:02:54.

this because it is so long ago, 7 million more people gained paid

:02:55.:02:58.

holidays or enhance their holidays as a result of that change. Voting

:02:59.:03:04.

to leave the EU means hard-won rights are at risk because we know

:03:05.:03:08.

some of the biggest cheerleaders for Brexit see protections for ordinary

:03:09.:03:12.

British workers as red tape to be binned. They will use immigration as

:03:13.:03:17.

a reason to leave the EU but they don't want to tackle the

:03:18.:03:20.

exploitation of foreign workers that affect British workers as well.

:03:21.:03:25.

Immigration has become the place for people who want to leave to place

:03:26.:03:28.

the blame but the failing is not the European Union, it is ours. I have

:03:29.:03:33.

spoken out about insecurities that jobs and housing services in the

:03:34.:03:36.

future, especially in the parts of Britain, like the Don Valley, where

:03:37.:03:40.

we don't live in metropolitan cities. People for whom the benefits

:03:41.:03:46.

of globalisation seem to pass their town by and work for many has become

:03:47.:03:51.

a way to insecure. These people are not racist, they want fairness. The

:03:52.:03:57.

benefits of immigration to employers and the tax take of the Treasury are

:03:58.:04:02.

matched by support for communities and additional pressures on housing

:04:03.:04:05.

and schools and health services will. We can openly dosed -- discuss

:04:06.:04:10.

the benefits of migration including the businesses and jobs migrants

:04:11.:04:13.

have created in Britain, but not ignore it when it is causing

:04:14.:04:17.

problems as well. We need to know, is it a perception of reality that

:04:18.:04:20.

British people are not getting the jobs filled by European migrants?

:04:21.:04:25.

British beanpole being turned down or are they not applying? I give

:04:26.:04:31.

way. On the very point that she is raising, I mentioned earlier that a

:04:32.:04:36.

very large number of people in the adult social care workforce were not

:04:37.:04:41.

born in the UK and that sector has a 5% vacancy rate because people are

:04:42.:04:45.

not applying because of the poor terms and conditions. That partly

:04:46.:04:50.

answers that. Is she is concerned as I am that the care sector could

:04:51.:04:53.

collapse if there were further restrictions on the people that come

:04:54.:04:59.

to work here. My honourable friend is absolutely right. In Yorkshire

:05:00.:05:03.

alone something like 2000 EU migrants working in health and

:05:04.:05:06.

social care. Sometimes we have to look at the nature of the work that

:05:07.:05:11.

is going on here and why it is that actually these insecure areas that

:05:12.:05:14.

are poorly paid are using migrant workers that is not only exploiting

:05:15.:05:18.

them but not doing much for the users of those services either.

:05:19.:05:26.

If the honourable lady aware that the Labour Government introduced

:05:27.:05:30.

here are three in 2008, which is an skilled migration from outside the

:05:31.:05:37.

EU. -- an skilled migration. It has been closed ever since. Will she

:05:38.:05:44.

speculate on where we will get unskilled labour in the future when

:05:45.:05:48.

we no longer have people coming to fill those jobs that British people

:05:49.:05:55.

do not want. What I will say is there. We need a future where social

:05:56.:06:03.

care is not burly head. -- Purley paid. That is the challenge. That is

:06:04.:06:08.

what we have to take ownership for as a country and not blame the EU

:06:09.:06:12.

for the problems on her doorstep. There is fraud and there is paying

:06:13.:06:16.

off the books, but that happens with British people do. Working illegally

:06:17.:06:22.

with bad employers and sometimes criminal organisations behind them

:06:23.:06:28.

calling the shots. Change is not as easy as some for others. To leave

:06:29.:06:33.

will not solve that. The Coalition Government was wrong to abolish the

:06:34.:06:38.

migration impacts fund, and freedom to movement should be freedom to

:06:39.:06:43.

work. It is good news that the much maligned European Court of Justice

:06:44.:06:46.

has ruled that is absolutely right that EU member state should be

:06:47.:06:50.

allowed to withhold benefits. Let's be honest. Young Brits do not too

:06:51.:06:56.

up-to-date to pick crops or work in social care. The greatest deceit

:06:57.:06:59.

from the league campaign is that the UK can keep all the access to the EU

:07:00.:07:05.

single market but not allow EU workers to work here. But if we

:07:06.:07:09.

restrict EU workers to water, why would the Brits who work in Europe

:07:10.:07:15.

not the similar restrictions. Nonmembers do not get better deals.

:07:16.:07:19.

Why would they offer a better deal, better than any of the other 27

:07:20.:07:24.

members? That would be a recipe for every country to leave. Most of all,

:07:25.:07:30.

let us not let the Leave campaign claim they are more patriotically

:07:31.:07:33.

than those who want to remain. We must not let them. I love Britain,

:07:34.:07:38.

and we will continue to be a strong, proud nation. But we are stronger

:07:39.:07:43.

and better off as members of the European Union. Can I just say that

:07:44.:07:50.

I have got to announce the results. Order, order. I have no to knows the

:07:51.:07:54.

result on the question related to book call Government. The ayes were

:07:55.:08:01.

278. The noes workforce. Of those members resenting assiduously is in

:08:02.:08:07.

England, the ayes where... The ayes have it. We are now introducing the

:08:08.:08:14.

five-minute limit. I have one very simple message as we approach the

:08:15.:08:19.

last week of this referendum campaign. It is this. People fought

:08:20.:08:27.

and died for the right to be able to govern themselves. People fought and

:08:28.:08:34.

died for our democracy. It is born democracy and that everything else

:08:35.:08:44.

depends. -- it is upon democracy. The people fought and died for the

:08:45.:08:48.

right to govern themselves, and everything else depends upon that,

:08:49.:08:52.

including the economic arguments. If you get this issue wrong, if the

:08:53.:09:00.

British people vote to stay in the European Union, I would urge them to

:09:01.:09:09.

consider the consequences for future generations. We have, as a result of

:09:10.:09:15.

successive leaderships, throughout the whole of the period since 1972,

:09:16.:09:20.

giving away more and more of our powers to govern ourselves. The

:09:21.:09:30.

consequences of that, if, as I may say, I predicted in 1990, when I

:09:31.:09:35.

brought about about the subject when the Maastricht Treaty was going on,

:09:36.:09:39.

and I said there will be protests and riots throughout Europe, there

:09:40.:09:44.

will be massive unemployment, there will be recession, waves of

:09:45.:09:50.

immigration, there will be a breach of the rule of law, the rise of the

:09:51.:09:57.

foreign rights. Those are the things that I was concerned about then and

:09:58.:10:01.

I remain concerned about them now. -- the rise of the far right. The

:10:02.:10:06.

direction in which this European Union is being taken is putting the

:10:07.:10:12.

United Kingdom, our voters, our people, in the second tier of the

:10:13.:10:19.

2-tier Europe, which is dominated increasingly through the Eurozone

:10:20.:10:24.

and through the excessive economic nationalism of the German system of

:10:25.:10:32.

economic Government. Look at what is happening in Greece. I would simply

:10:33.:10:40.

say this. Will people please bear in mind that the consequences in

:10:41.:10:44.

relation to the single market are demonstrated by what I said in an

:10:45.:10:48.

earlier intervention. It goes something like this. We run a trade

:10:49.:10:56.

deficit or boss, with the other 27 member states, of ?67.8 billion a

:10:57.:11:00.

year, which has gone up by 10 billion in this last year alone, and

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I would also add that our trade surplus with the rest of the world

:11:08.:11:11.

has gone up by about 10 billion this year alone, 231 billion. That is the

:11:12.:11:20.

trajectory. European growth is going down. -- it has gone up to 31

:11:21.:11:33.

billion. In Europe as a whole, the youth unemployment is as high as

:11:34.:11:36.

60%. This is a complete disgrace. I would say by contrast, beer in mind

:11:37.:11:42.

that the German trade surplus, with the same 27 member states, is in

:11:43.:11:48.

fact running at 81.8 Lian, and has gone up by as much as 18 billion in

:11:49.:11:54.

the last year alone. -- 80 1.8 billion. That is the trajectory.

:11:55.:11:57.

That is what these third-rate so-called economists are ignoring.

:11:58.:12:03.

They are the ones who got it wrong over and over again. They got it

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wrong at Maastricht, over the euro, over the ERM. The member from

:12:09.:12:13.

Hallen, listening to his nostalgic nonsense is absolutely absurd,

:12:14.:12:17.

because it is evident that those who got it wrong are trying to mislead

:12:18.:12:25.

people yet again into saying... I will give way to the honourable

:12:26.:12:31.

lady. I am grateful to him for giving way, not least because he

:12:32.:12:35.

might have the opportunity for giving some answers to some very

:12:36.:12:38.

important questions. The honourable member will be aware that when Iain

:12:39.:12:42.

Duncan Smith was asked of the impact on the economy and GDP of a Brexit,

:12:43.:12:47.

his answer was, we don't know. The honourable member will also be a

:12:48.:12:51.

whale that when Diane James, the Ukip MEP, was asked whether these

:12:52.:12:56.

woods be required, the answer was, we do not know. Given that the

:12:57.:13:01.

answer to every question is, we don't know, perhaps the honourable

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gentleman could answer these questions now. We need short

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interventions, not speeches. It is longer than the five minutes. I do

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know, and it is simple, because I look at the fact that they are now.

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The facts demonstrate that inside the single market we run a

:13:19.:13:24.

monumental trade deficit, and we have enormous trade surplus with the

:13:25.:13:27.

rest of the world which is growing. That is the future, that is the

:13:28.:13:31.

vision, that is the means by which we will get jobs and ensure the

:13:32.:13:35.

future of our children and our grandchildren. And to conclude, Mr

:13:36.:13:39.

Deputy Speaker, it is very simple. It is about who governs us. If we

:13:40.:13:43.

get this wrong, we will not be able to organise and to establish a

:13:44.:13:50.

democracy in this country, which is what the people fought and died for,

:13:51.:13:55.

not in just one world war but twice. I would simply say to the honourable

:13:56.:14:00.

gentleman who wants to intervene, I will give way one must time. I thank

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my honourable friend, and I appreciate the laws that his own

:14:07.:14:10.

family suffered in the Second World War. My own family suffered two, and

:14:11.:14:15.

I have the privilege to where the Queen's uniform today. When I see

:14:16.:14:19.

the division and the spreading of heated and brilliant antiforeign

:14:20.:14:22.

messages that you're from some people in our country today, I

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wonder whether there are talking about peace or stirring the pot. --

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the very limit antiforeign messages that I hear. I do believe in peace,

:14:34.:14:43.

and I believe in good relations. What really troubles me, however, is

:14:44.:14:49.

when the majority voting system and the decisions are taken behind

:14:50.:14:54.

closed doors are so manifestly undemocratic, it is completely

:14:55.:14:57.

impossible to justify, and it becomes a kind of dictatorship

:14:58.:15:02.

behind closed doors. We in this House make our decisions based upon

:15:03.:15:07.

speeches which are made in public, which are reported, the books are

:15:08.:15:11.

there, we are held accountable. This is now the case in the EU. -- this

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is not the case in the year. If we give that up, I say to all in the

:15:19.:15:25.

those that they will regret it. This is about democracy above all else. I

:15:26.:15:30.

want to bring this debate are talking about the local level, and

:15:31.:15:34.

to addressing some of the concerns that ordinary people are grappling

:15:35.:15:38.

with in making a decision about what to do on the EU. Many people in my

:15:39.:15:41.

constituency over the last two weeks have said to me they feel angry,

:15:42.:15:47.

they feel that their city has suffered most because of the global

:15:48.:15:53.

recession and the downturn after the banking crisis. We have seen a lot

:15:54.:15:59.

of cuts to public services, had the botched NHS reorganisation, people

:16:00.:16:04.

having to wait longer in A People have concerns about immigration. The

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slogans the Government views about the Northern Powerhouse are not

:16:08.:16:10.

followed through with any action. So what worries me is the idea that is

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being put about that somehow magically on June 23, if people vote

:16:17.:16:19.

to leave the EU, all of these issues are going to suddenly disappear, and

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it is a complete panacea to have membership of the EU and us leaving

:16:26.:16:30.

it. There are four very clear, for me, self-interested reasons why

:16:31.:16:38.

whole, my city, a proud trading city, should vote to remain in the

:16:39.:16:48.

EU. -- why Hull. First of all, the investment we have seen recently

:16:49.:16:54.

from Siemens. ?300 million to invest in building a factory in Hall. 1000

:16:55.:17:09.

jobs that will serve. Another 2000 jobs from an offshore wind farm. And

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Siemens believe that being part of the EU is good for you to jobs and

:17:14.:17:18.

respiratory. We have concerns about the possible effects on a boat to

:17:19.:17:26.

Leave. We see the men benefits of EU memberships as tariff free access to

:17:27.:17:34.

a free market that produces business costs, and access to EU wide

:17:35.:17:39.

innovation and research in restive, which are helping to shape the

:17:40.:17:43.

industries of the future. These help make Britain a better place to do

:17:44.:17:47.

business, not just for Siemens but for companies across our supply

:17:48.:17:51.

chain and beyond. I want to raise the issue of caravans. Caravans are

:17:52.:17:55.

manufactured in East Yorkshire, and in the last year, in the HSBC Sunday

:17:56.:18:05.

Times 200 league for industrial international tracking, they found

:18:06.:18:08.

that exports to Holland and Germany had increased by 21%. That is again

:18:09.:18:14.

because that market is open and available to us. Thirdly,

:18:15.:18:18.

pharmaceuticals. Hull is the home of Smith and nephew and others. The

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boys have already said if we leave the EU there is a real risk to the

:18:25.:18:29.

UK form suitable industry. We have access at the moment a 5p of

:18:30.:18:34.

research, and that would not be open to us if we left. -- eight 5p of

:18:35.:18:43.

research. We also have access to the medicines initiative that would not

:18:44.:18:51.

be open to us. 1000 staff are employed in academic and research

:18:52.:18:56.

posts at Hull University. They have had EU funding in recent years and

:18:57.:19:00.

are part of the ?209 of EU funded research that is available to

:19:01.:19:05.

British universities. The vice Chancellor at Hull University said

:19:06.:19:10.

there is huge value as being at the EU table. If you are in the club,

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you get the greatest chance to shape the programmes. If we were not in

:19:15.:19:18.

the club, we would not have that opportunity. So when the end, this

:19:19.:19:22.

referendum, the power is with the people, not with members of

:19:23.:19:26.

Parliament. But the last thing that my constituents in whole need is a

:19:27.:19:32.

home-grown, self-inflicted recession and years of uncertainty and

:19:33.:19:36.

instability. We know the effect of recession will be much harder and

:19:37.:19:40.

stronger in places like Hull than it will be in Surrey Heath or Oxbridge.

:19:41.:19:48.

As the UK struggles to negotiate a trading relationship with the EU,

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I'm sure we will find that we will still have to contribute to the EU

:19:52.:19:55.

budget, we will still have to accept free movement of labour, an issue I

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know many people have genuine concerns about. But they have no say

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and have shaping the EU's future direction on this or other issues.

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-- but we will have no say. Whatever happens on July 23, I will continue

:20:11.:20:15.

fighting for Hull as I have done until now. But I just asked that

:20:16.:20:23.

people when making this decision, in Hull, if they choose to vote to

:20:24.:20:27.

leave the EU, it will make that task of standing up for the city even

:20:28.:20:28.

harder. I want to make a short contribution

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about the effect of the EU and economic viability of our fishing

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industry. I would like to congratulate all of those special

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and taken part in the Fort a the Thames today to make sure we hear

:20:49.:20:54.

where they stand. Us foretell R. Our fishing industry is a ghost of its

:20:55.:20:58.

former self and before we joined the EU we had a successful fishing

:20:59.:21:06.

industry. I remember in South East Cornwall seeing fishing boats moored

:21:07.:21:12.

34 people from the quayside. I do not see that today. -- three or four

:21:13.:21:19.

deep. While fishing is no longer at the highest employee at people come

:21:20.:21:22.

to traditional fishing pounds and expected feet fish landed. You

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highlight the often mention is tasting fresh from an award winning

:21:29.:21:33.

restaurant or buying fresh catch from a fishmonger 's. I ask what we

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would soon as we water fishing? In 1971, before we joined the EU --

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where would we be without fishing. Bringing home a lot of fish and

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employing 21,000 people. Last year we got 600,000 tonnes were under

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12,000 fishermen. According to a report coordinator by the economic

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's Foundation that amounted to about 12% would mean 2003 and 2013 in

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number of fishermen. My late husband Neal was one of them. Forced to fish

:22:10.:22:16.

alone on his boat as a result of the economic pressures due to the

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reducing quotas and still trying to meet costs of increasing insurance,

:22:20.:22:25.

landing charges, not to mention repair costs. The report attributes

:22:26.:22:32.

the major factors causing employment to be traced to a declining number

:22:33.:22:37.

of fishing vessels due to the forced scrapping imposed by successive

:22:38.:22:41.

governments to meet artificial targets imposed by the European

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Commission. Vessels investing in new technology, the latter point may be

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true for larger vessels who operate with several deckhands but is not

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the case for small fishermen like Neal. It was a simple economic

:22:56.:22:59.

decision taken because he could not sell and land the fresh at slam into

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his net. Mr Deputy Speaker, the report also says the trend of

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declining fishing vessels and fishermen is likely to continue

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going forward. What the report does not mention is the declining quotas

:23:18.:23:22.

the EU set each year. However it is one example with the new date

:23:23.:23:27.

getting 10% of the total allowable catch whilst Franciscus 70%. The

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same applies to many other species in other areas. -- while France get

:23:32.:23:41.

70%. Would you go into a bank alongside a Frenchman each with a

:23:42.:23:45.

bundle bundle of notes valued at ?70. The Frenchman invests the ?70

:23:46.:23:56.

while you through ?60 into the bin and invest ?10. That is essentially

:23:57.:23:59.

what fishermen are being forced to do today thanks to the quotas.

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I thank my honourable friend and Robert in this house know very well

:24:12.:24:18.

-- all of us know very well the story about the honourable lady's

:24:19.:24:23.

husband. How much increasing capacity with the fishermen get if

:24:24.:24:30.

we left the EU? -- would the fishermen get?

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He makes a good point and I will come onto that. I won't get into

:24:35.:24:39.

arguments with those who want to remain an further sacrifice this

:24:40.:24:44.

industry. And also abandon the economic well-being of our coastal

:24:45.:24:49.

fishing pounds which would disproportionately be affected.

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Whilst I cannot say Neal died as a result of this quota I can say it

:24:53.:24:57.

contributed to the economic pressure he felt when deciding to fish alone.

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The time we talked about it and decided to better work less rough

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one water than have to work in storms to provide. What I say today

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is through the fishermen a lifeline. Our fisheries minister has been at

:25:17.:25:21.

the bottles and seen for himself how little he can deliver. -- been to

:25:22.:25:35.

Brussels. If we vote And leave, in response to my honourable friend,

:25:36.:25:38.

our fisheries minister would be able to make the decisions that apply to

:25:39.:25:51.

fishermen in the UK. If, as someone who has breathed and live the UK

:25:52.:25:58.

fishing industry for around 30 years, I'd say there are no economic

:25:59.:26:04.

benefit to the UK fishermen from membership of the EU. Around 92% of

:26:05.:26:10.

fishermen are calling for the UK to leave. I say, let's throw them a

:26:11.:26:15.

lifeline and vote Leave and take control of our 200 mile limit. 80%

:26:16.:26:24.

of the total EU pond. We could take control of that. We wouldn't

:26:25.:26:28.

necessarily have to say to other member states, you can't fish are

:26:29.:26:31.

not whoppers, but it would on our terms and not -- in our waters. And

:26:32.:26:41.

not 28 countries around the table from a proposal from unelected

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European Commission in Brussels. Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker.

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In 1979I was among the first elected members of the European Parliament.

:26:58.:27:01.

I supported withdrawing from the common market. Those were the days

:27:02.:27:08.

of butter mountains, and out of control agricultural policy

:27:09.:27:13.

subsidising oil production and dumping on world markets. It was

:27:14.:27:18.

some years before the development of the social chapter which got

:27:19.:27:22.

legislation for workers' rights and equality. That was not European

:27:23.:27:30.

environment policy at that time. -- there was no. After working with

:27:31.:27:33.

colleagues in the European Parliament and came to a different

:27:34.:27:38.

conclusion. In 1982 over at an article in the new statesman title,

:27:39.:27:43.

why I changed my mind on the common market. Now, in 2016, I read another

:27:44.:27:53.

article in the New Statesman which is, why are still support remaining

:27:54.:27:57.

in the EU. The argument I made them are still true. Then, as now, our

:27:58.:28:03.

socialist and social Democratic colleagues in the European

:28:04.:28:08.

Parliament urged us to remain, working with them for a better

:28:09.:28:14.

future for jobs, security and workers' rights. One of my concerns

:28:15.:28:19.

then was about European action to save the steel industry and today we

:28:20.:28:23.

are still battling to save it, particularly in Wales. It is

:28:24.:28:28.

important for workers in multinational companies to have

:28:29.:28:34.

information about management plans foreclosures on mergers and European

:28:35.:28:37.

legislation has helped improve these rights to information. None of us

:28:38.:28:43.

would claim the EU is perfect but it is not unique in this. These jobs,

:28:44.:28:52.

workers' and consumers' rights, the environment are safer if we stand

:28:53.:28:55.

together as constructive members of the EU. My party has always been an

:28:56.:29:02.

internationalist party. Those of what Brexit would swiftly make a

:29:03.:29:06.

bonfire of hard-won rights if we left. They considered for weeks'

:29:07.:29:13.

holiday, maternity and paternity leave, equality of health and safety

:29:14.:29:18.

legislation. And much more, to be similar to red tape to be dispensed

:29:19.:29:24.

with. Standing up to globalisation was always a pipe dream which

:29:25.:29:29.

requires nations to cooperate. Likewise, the pressures of

:29:30.:29:33.

immigration will not fade if we go it alone. We live in difficult times

:29:34.:29:37.

were many people are giving discontented. To help combat this,

:29:38.:29:42.

the way forward for Britain is to continue to work with the EU for

:29:43.:29:49.

more reforms. We see reforming and modernising the EU in solidarity

:29:50.:29:52.

with continental socialists and social Democrats as an ongoing

:29:53.:29:58.

process. To those who advocate developing hundreds of individual

:29:59.:30:04.

trade deals, do they really expect we would achieve better than as part

:30:05.:30:11.

of the world's's largest trading bloc? Would be achieved better terms

:30:12.:30:24.

for the TTIP than the EU can? And strong member states to ensure

:30:25.:30:27.

protection from rampant multinationals? I doubt it. We

:30:28.:30:32.

benefit enormously from European cooperation funding for research,

:30:33.:30:37.

regional development, cultural projects and agricultural support as

:30:38.:30:41.

well as peace and free trade. The EU has always been at the forefront of

:30:42.:30:45.

working to protect human rights in the world. In Wales, EU countries

:30:46.:30:57.

are 41% of Wales' exports. 5 billion a year to others. Companies invest

:30:58.:31:01.

here because we are in the EU, giving them direct access to the

:31:02.:31:09.

largest single market. If we believe we will soon see our big firms

:31:10.:31:14.

switching investment to continental Europe. Mr Deputy Speaker, I say we

:31:15.:31:26.

better together. Those celebrating if we left include such unsavoury

:31:27.:31:31.

characters as Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, Nigel Farage and a bunch of

:31:32.:31:35.

climate change deniers with no intention of working towards a

:31:36.:31:40.

better future for the most vulnerable in our society.

:31:41.:31:42.

Prosperity and collective security. If we want at society that works for

:31:43.:31:50.

all, not just a few, we are better off within the EU.

:31:51.:31:58.

The fact of the matter is that a referendum would not be a useful

:31:59.:32:02.

exercise if we were not a sovereign nation because we couldn't implement

:32:03.:32:06.

the outcome. That proves we are sovereign. The question is what do

:32:07.:32:11.

we do with our sovereignty and to influence our neighbours? What do we

:32:12.:32:15.

do to advance our national interests? Because we are a vibrant,

:32:16.:32:19.

ambitious and decent society we must do that within the EU and I will

:32:20.:32:23.

explain why. It is because it is about the future, it is not some

:32:24.:32:28.

blast to the past, it is this country thinking about what we do

:32:29.:32:33.

for our people beyond today. Take trade. We heard a lot about trade

:32:34.:32:38.

today. The fact is we export twice as much to the Neverland as we do to

:32:39.:32:44.

China. That is a fact. -- the Neverland 's. What does the EU --

:32:45.:32:54.

the Neverland 's. -- Holland. The EU is the world's largest market. It is

:32:55.:33:01.

nearly twice the size of China. Yet we were thinking of leaving. That

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would be madness. The people we trade with most of the people most

:33:07.:33:13.

like us and most going to benefit from us as well. That is the trade

:33:14.:33:17.

argument. Then we come to investment. In my constituency and

:33:18.:33:22.

over in most of yours there are examples of powerful intervention

:33:23.:33:30.

from the EU through investors. That matters and 48% of our foreign

:33:31.:33:38.

direct investment comes from the EU. That equals jobs. It equals rising

:33:39.:33:45.

wages. It equals opportunity for our young people. That takes me on to

:33:46.:33:51.

the question of our universities. Opportunities for young people

:33:52.:33:55.

through developing careers at the universities and opportunities for

:33:56.:33:58.

young people who don't want to go to university. The fact is, the

:33:59.:34:03.

opportunity they can have through moving around Europe is immense and

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vibrant for them and great for our economy. Do you want your young

:34:09.:34:13.

people to be stuck here when others are arriving somewhere else? Dictate

:34:14.:34:19.

what about migration. It is a two-way street. You -- take the

:34:20.:34:25.

point. There are just as many people coming here to help us with our

:34:26.:34:32.

skills as people coming from here to there to make money for this

:34:33.:34:35.

economy. There are nearly 2 million Britons living and working in the EU

:34:36.:34:39.

and benefiting from the opportunities we gain from being in

:34:40.:34:44.

a single market. Does he agree with me the majority

:34:45.:34:49.

of EU citizens come to this country come to work hard, pay their taxes

:34:50.:34:55.

and better the lives and families' lives and the majority are not here

:34:56.:34:56.

to scrounge. Absolutely. Some of the factories

:34:57.:35:03.

and my constituency could not do as much as they do it without the kind

:35:04.:35:05.

of skills they get from the EU. My honourable friend is absolutely

:35:06.:35:19.

right, yes. Does the honourable member agree with me that in some

:35:20.:35:24.

quarters, this referendum has been allowed to descend into a pseudo-

:35:25.:35:30.

referendum about immigration, and for the Remain side to win, we need

:35:31.:35:35.

to show leadership over the next week, bring forward the positive

:35:36.:35:40.

case for remaining in Europe, and shoot the right-wing Brexit fox that

:35:41.:35:43.

is the scaremongering about immigration. You are absolutely

:35:44.:35:48.

right. I was going to want to ship, but I will tackle it now. The fact

:35:49.:35:53.

is, the EU has benefited from Britain's membership many times in

:35:54.:35:58.

the past. It was the British Government that drove through the

:35:59.:36:02.

single market, and that major country like Poland could come in

:36:03.:36:05.

with all those opportunities. Don't forget that when I was born, that

:36:06.:36:10.

country was actually within the Soviet Union Empire, place were

:36:11.:36:13.

liberal democracy was nonexistent and where growth and economic

:36:14.:36:17.

opportunity could not take place. And yet we have managed to get that

:36:18.:36:21.

country into a position where it is totally democratic and absolutely

:36:22.:36:27.

robust in terms of economy. And that drives are caught and horses through

:36:28.:36:30.

anybody who thinks that being in the EU is somehow a gesture of being

:36:31.:36:37.

undemocratic or inviting democracy to be challenged, because the

:36:38.:36:41.

reality is, when Britain shows leadership, and we have in the past,

:36:42.:36:46.

it has been good for Europe. But of course, obviously, good for us. So

:36:47.:36:51.

when we win this referendum campaign, and I certainly hope we

:36:52.:36:54.

do, we need to be thinking precisely about that positive case,

:36:55.:36:58.

demonstrating it is not just a question of sniping from the

:36:59.:37:01.

sidelines by getting involved, setting the agenda, working with our

:37:02.:37:05.

allies and insuring that the people we represent actually can continue

:37:06.:37:09.

to benefit from the good things that the European Union has brought. The

:37:10.:37:18.

fact, of course, is all organisations need to be reformed.

:37:19.:37:22.

The other day I was told to move my car. For some reason I still have

:37:23.:37:27.

not quite understood. But this House needs to reform. All organisations

:37:28.:37:33.

need to reform and the EU is no exception. But you know what? The

:37:34.:37:38.

key thing is this. We are the ones to drive those reforms. We are the

:37:39.:37:43.

ones that should be actually constructing the alliances to push

:37:44.:37:46.

through the kind of Europe that we want, which is competitive,

:37:47.:37:49.

recognises freedom, which is actually at the heart of reporting

:37:50.:37:54.

liberal democracy, not just within the European Union but beyond,

:37:55.:37:59.

because it is a question of international impact that also has

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to be borne in mind here. Europe is the world's largest single market,

:38:04.:38:07.

but it is also a place of huge influence in the world as well. We

:38:08.:38:15.

in Britain want to be part of that, to shape that influence, develop

:38:16.:38:19.

that influence, and that is why every single US president has told

:38:20.:38:23.

us in one way or another, we should be a member of the European Union.

:38:24.:38:28.

That is why every single commonwealth leader has told us that

:38:29.:38:33.

we should be in the European Union. And that is why the only two that I

:38:34.:38:37.

can think of that are casting some doubt on this matter are the readers

:38:38.:38:42.

of North Korea and the Russian Federation. If that is the support

:38:43.:38:47.

group of the Leave campaign, I'm saying. -- the leaders of North

:38:48.:38:52.

Korea and the Russian Federation. It is essential we talk about that

:38:53.:38:55.

positive case and do so from opposition, not of apology or of

:38:56.:39:02.

some kind of tepid hope, but from ambition for our country and our

:39:03.:39:07.

young people, so that they know what we actually really think, I believe,

:39:08.:39:12.

that I purchase a bidding internationally with a clear agenda

:39:13.:39:19.

and with determination -- I purchase a bidding internationally, a

:39:20.:39:23.

determination to turn away from narrow-mindedness and concern about

:39:24.:39:30.

that or groups of people, instead think big, think about this country,

:39:31.:39:33.

because we have the capacity to really have an exciting future with

:39:34.:39:39.

that drive behind us. I would like to begin by echoing the comments

:39:40.:39:45.

about the Shadow Chancellor today in opening this debate, particularly in

:39:46.:39:50.

regards to the rates of people in this country have as a result of our

:39:51.:39:54.

membership of the year. I am delighted to hear a strong, positive

:39:55.:40:00.

case for the bird people to remain for strong labour reasons, and not

:40:01.:40:04.

just for Labour reasons but in the interests of everybody in this

:40:05.:40:09.

country. I want to speak directly to my constituents today, about what

:40:10.:40:13.

they care about and what I care about. And about what they have sent

:40:14.:40:18.

your to do now for the last three general elections. First I want to

:40:19.:40:21.

acknowledge the confusion, anxiety and even anger that my constituents

:40:22.:40:25.

will feel with regard to the European Union. I understand that

:40:26.:40:29.

anger. I understand that frustration, and for over 25 years

:40:30.:40:34.

now, like the rest of the country, my constituents have listened to

:40:35.:40:38.

incredible, outrageous lies about the European Union and our place

:40:39.:40:43.

within it, from the straight bananas to any number of inventive

:40:44.:40:46.

stupidities. And people like me who believe in the benefits to our

:40:47.:40:53.

country of the EU are largely to blame for this. We have never taken

:40:54.:40:57.

it on or hold it out. We have rolled our eyes and shoulder shoulders and

:40:58.:41:00.

been shy about taking on the lies, and now we are seemingly paying the

:41:01.:41:06.

price. But it will be constituencies like mine that will overwhelmingly

:41:07.:41:10.

suffer the most if we bought to leave the European Union. There are

:41:11.:41:15.

significant areas of concern to the area as a whole if we bought to

:41:16.:41:22.

leave. This is whether of our tribal call NHS, our economic future,

:41:23.:41:26.

particularly the nuclear industry, our security, and our environment.

:41:27.:41:31.

-- this is with regard to our local NHS. The honourable member speaks

:41:32.:41:37.

characteristically eloquently about the north-west of our country. Can I

:41:38.:41:43.

ask him to explain further why we must be attention to those areas of

:41:44.:41:48.

our country that are geographically the furthest away from metropolitan

:41:49.:41:51.

centres? We absolutely do have to pay I think special attention and a

:41:52.:42:03.

ever were globalised world to do is those peripheral areas that have

:42:04.:42:13.

been increasingly marginalised for too long now. I have to say as well

:42:14.:42:16.

as whatever happens with regard to this referendum, this country is

:42:17.:42:19.

changed fundamentally, permanently, as a result of it. The conversation

:42:20.:42:28.

we need to have the 90s, the north-west, the south-west and other

:42:29.:42:31.

peripheral economies in the UK, but particularly England, now has to be

:42:32.:42:39.

a pivotal part of the national conversation going forward. With

:42:40.:42:42.

regard to the NHS, alongside my constituents I have campaigned for

:42:43.:42:47.

years to protect local health services. We have built a new

:42:48.:42:53.

hospital in Whitehaven, new health centre, we have developed and

:42:54.:43:02.

expanded health services, get enormous challenges remain. The

:43:03.:43:07.

policies of the Conservative Government deprives our community of

:43:08.:43:14.

the necessary improvement and recruitment. It is clear that the

:43:15.:43:17.

economic damage that will be done to our country by reading the EU will

:43:18.:43:20.

be felt right across the NHS in Cumbria. Make no mistake, and

:43:21.:43:25.

already intolerable situation would become worse, and the Conservative

:43:26.:43:27.

Government would have every excuse it could want to cut, slash and burn

:43:28.:43:32.

local health services in a way in which we have never seen. With

:43:33.:43:35.

regard to our economic future, I have spent over ten years on the

:43:36.:43:40.

project to build a new nuclear power stations in my community, from

:43:41.:43:45.

writing new nuclear policy with the policy unit in 2005, to insuring my

:43:46.:43:50.

community was chosen as a nuclear development site. This project

:43:51.:43:57.

represents the single largest private sector investment bank unity

:43:58.:44:07.

has ever seen. Thousands of jobs. -- that my community has ever seen. The

:44:08.:44:13.

US is pleading with us to stay in the EU, as are Japan and France.

:44:14.:44:27.

This is a consortium of American, Japanese and French companies, so I

:44:28.:44:32.

urge my constituents to do the maths. There are potentially

:44:33.:44:39.

profound implications for the Hinkley Point the project as well. I

:44:40.:44:43.

say to my constituents, stick with our client, stay on course with our

:44:44.:44:49.

project, and do not squander a decade of work and risk our future.

:44:50.:44:54.

Brexit would undoubtedly make us less safe and secure. With the EU

:44:55.:45:00.

drinking, contracting as a result of us leaving, we will cause profound

:45:01.:45:04.

damage to Nato. -- with the EU shrinking. What message will descend

:45:05.:45:12.

to Russia? This is not project fear but project fact. We were told by

:45:13.:45:20.

the former US ambassador to Nato that Brexit represents the greatest

:45:21.:45:24.

threat to security of the United States, the European Union and the

:45:25.:45:29.

Nato area. On the environment, my constituency takes uncommon pride in

:45:30.:45:33.

its natural environment. We have some of the best beaches in the

:45:34.:45:40.

country and the EU has helped to deliver massive improvements to our

:45:41.:45:45.

natural habitats, all of which are visited by thousands of tourists

:45:46.:45:48.

from the EU contributing to our economy every year. Finally, my

:45:49.:45:55.

constituency is special, my constituents are special, we are

:45:56.:45:59.

treating some especial, and a vote for Brexit would threaten at all. --

:46:00.:46:05.

we are creating something special. A few minutes ago, the member for

:46:06.:46:12.

Strood made a passionate and magnificent speech in support of our

:46:13.:46:16.

membership of the year. He and I have been on the same side in this

:46:17.:46:20.

matter for many years, and I endorse every word that he said. But like

:46:21.:46:24.

the honourable member for Copeland, perhaps I can start by referring to

:46:25.:46:28.

matters which particularly affect my constituents. Bromley and

:46:29.:46:35.

Chislehurst and Greater London has as its greatest employment sector

:46:36.:46:42.

the business and financial sector. 32.4% of my constituents and their

:46:43.:46:48.

families work in the financial services sector. It is critical to

:46:49.:46:53.

the economy locally. That is leaving aside all the jobs in the supply

:46:54.:46:56.

chain that flying on from the income that that provides. It is critical

:46:57.:47:02.

to the London economy, which is a benefit to the whole of the United

:47:03.:47:07.

Kingdom. Leaving the European Union would damage, without any question,

:47:08.:47:11.

the interests of the financial services industry of which written

:47:12.:47:15.

is a world leader. It is an area in which I have taken some interest

:47:16.:47:19.

myself as secretary of the Parliamentary party grip on

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financial markets. We have a winner here, and we have an opportunity not

:47:25.:47:27.

just to make that survived, but to make it better and stronger in a

:47:28.:47:33.

reformed European Union. That is why when I intervened on the Foreign

:47:34.:47:37.

Secretary, I wanted to stress the importance of the renegotiation

:47:38.:47:41.

achievement by the Prime Minister in achieving to keep things. First of

:47:42.:47:46.

all, the commitment that British financial firms based in the UK, and

:47:47.:47:50.

therefore outside the euro zone, of which we will never be members and

:47:51.:47:55.

where we will never be subject to the internal governance rules or the

:47:56.:47:59.

bailouts, nonetheless will have the very significant advantage of being

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able to trade freely within the Eurozone and the rest of the single

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market. That pits us in a unique position, which no other free trade

:48:09.:48:15.

agreement replicates. If we add to that the commitment in that

:48:16.:48:20.

renegotiation for completion of the capital markets union, that gives us

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a double opportunity to push forward in the area at which we excel. It

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would be lunacy to walk away from that opportunity. Of course the

:48:29.:48:33.

prime ministers right to say that we could survive outside the European

:48:34.:48:41.

Union. London and financial services industry would survive, my

:48:42.:48:43.

constituents, which are right, but there is a real risk they would be

:48:44.:48:48.

impoverished, and I see nothing patriotic about running the risk of

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impoverishing my constituents or the people of this country. The

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honourable gentleman is making a powerful speech and makes an

:48:56.:48:57.

important part of a party at his. Does he agree with me that key to

:48:58.:49:02.

Britain's national security at a time when we are still borrowing as

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a nation more than the entire defence budget, we need every single

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penny of public money to ensure that our economy is strong, our finance

:49:12.:49:16.

is strong and our country strong? My honourable friend is absolutely

:49:17.:49:20.

right. The economic interest is a national strategic interests of the

:49:21.:49:23.

United Kingdom. It is a damaging thing to this country for anyone to

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put that at risk. There is nothing patriotically mad. That Mac

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patriotically in that. So far I can agree, but some of us remember the

:49:38.:49:41.

referendum in 1975, and if you look at the options that have been put

:49:42.:49:45.

off by those who want to opt out, the reality is those options...

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I would not like to speculate the of those who, sometimes from genuine

:50:02.:50:09.

belief and sometimes from cynicism, want us to leave the EU. The issue

:50:10.:50:14.

was debated then, we can both remember it. Of course the EU needs

:50:15.:50:21.

reform but any business person will tell you you don't walk away from a

:50:22.:50:27.

major markets you are in because it is not perfect. You stay in there,

:50:28.:50:32.

negotiate, trade and make the market work better. That is a basic common

:50:33.:50:38.

sense and why some people who ought to know better can understand that

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amazes and mystifies me. I have been a generous giving way and

:50:45.:50:47.

unconscious other people want to speak. And am conscious. That

:50:48.:50:55.

position of the double success for the City of London, it would be a

:50:56.:51:01.

tragedy for this country to turn away from that. The financial

:51:02.:51:05.

service industry, as well as being a key UK asset, is not just about

:51:06.:51:14.

people in the City of London, not just people working in banks and

:51:15.:51:21.

insurance. A successful financial services sector affects every family

:51:22.:51:25.

in this country, every pension fund, the pensions of millions of people,

:51:26.:51:30.

whatever their income situation or previous position in life. To put

:51:31.:51:37.

that at risk is not to damage just that but the whole population. It

:51:38.:51:42.

damages revenue stream that underpins our public services. In my

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book, I am sorry to have to say to this to some of my friends, it would

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be profoundly patriotic to leave the EU. -- profoundly patriotic. -- on

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patriotic. -- not patriotic. Has he considered how leaving the EU might

:52:08.:52:14.

affect manufacturing such as a business and my constituency who

:52:15.:52:17.

wrote to the employees to implore them to vote remain.

:52:18.:52:22.

I am sure my honourable friend is right. I have manufacturers and my

:52:23.:52:27.

constituency and every sector of the British economy would be damaged by

:52:28.:52:32.

Brexit. Uncertainly damages business. Economic uncertainty as

:52:33.:52:37.

well as legal uncertainty. That makes me all the more amazed to see

:52:38.:52:41.

some people who ought to know better than suggest we could somehow

:52:42.:52:45.

introduced some emergency legislation to circumvent the rules

:52:46.:52:51.

laid down in Article 50 of the treaty, if we were to leave. That

:52:52.:52:58.

would be a breach of law and involved the UK being suspended from

:52:59.:53:02.

the European union to lose the protection it gets to our businesses

:53:03.:53:07.

and turning 200 years of British constitutional practice, whereby

:53:08.:53:13.

this country has never unilaterally abrogated its treaty we have entered

:53:14.:53:20.

into. That abuse scandal and I for one would never vote for it. I want

:53:21.:53:25.

to make sure we never get into it. -- that would be a scandal. We must

:53:26.:53:32.

make the positive case for why this country is better, economic,

:53:33.:53:36.

socially and I would suggest, morally or stop we are a broader

:53:37.:53:41.

minded, rather looking, happier and more diverse nation because we are

:53:42.:53:47.

in the EU and I don't want the likes of the vile creature that is you get

:53:48.:53:52.

to drag this country backwards. -- Ukip.

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I rise to support this motion because, first of all, leaving the

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EU defies all logic of our emerging global economy. If you look around

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the world, the emerging global economic superpowers are China,

:54:13.:54:17.

which may well overtake the USA in the next 20 years as the major

:54:18.:54:22.

economic power in the world. India, Brazil coming up as well. As the

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former chair of the select committee I visited both Brazil and China to

:54:29.:54:33.

see how our businesses were faring in those countries. Some of them

:54:34.:54:39.

were doing very well. JCB has opened a joint venture company in Brazil.

:54:40.:54:50.

GKN copy joint venture in China. The reason for this is because it had of

:54:51.:54:55.

barriers were too high for them to export from their British

:54:56.:54:58.

manufacture base into those markets. We must be quite real, if we are to

:54:59.:55:06.

come out the EU and expand our exports to these countries, we are

:55:07.:55:12.

expanding into countries which, quite justifiably and

:55:13.:55:16.

understandably, are ruthlessly self interested in what they need to do

:55:17.:55:20.

to develop the standard of living in their own country. The idea that

:55:21.:55:28.

somehow, by leaving the EU, we can make up for any potential deficit

:55:29.:55:33.

and our exports to the EU by expending our trade into these

:55:34.:55:38.

developing countries is, quite frankly, fantasy land. The fact is

:55:39.:55:43.

there is nothing we could do afterwards that we are doing now and

:55:44.:55:50.

there is no possible compensatory boost in exports to those countries

:55:51.:55:56.

that would come from leaving the EU. Can I now turn to my own

:55:57.:56:00.

constituency in the West Midlands area. It is a supreme example of the

:56:01.:56:06.

benefits we have had from globalisation and the international

:56:07.:56:11.

movement of capital. If you go back ten or 15 years, the car industry

:56:12.:56:15.

which for many years was the mainstay of local manufacturing, was

:56:16.:56:21.

in a terrible state. Since then, investments, and this mirrors other

:56:22.:56:29.

parts of the country, but my iPod giveaway.

:56:30.:56:36.

He mentioned the motor car industry. If you go back 25 years ago

:56:37.:56:45.

commentary had household names and it is vitally important we remain in

:56:46.:56:51.

Europe so we can develop further the recovery in manufacturing.

:56:52.:56:53.

My honourable friend shares the experience I have on the other side

:56:54.:57:05.

of the West Midlands. The fact is, it was investment, particularly by

:57:06.:57:09.

Tata steel, and Jaguar Land Rover which transformed the manufacturing

:57:10.:57:15.

economy in my constituency and surrounding constituencies. We have

:57:16.:57:23.

the new I54 development, a supreme example of what new manufacturing

:57:24.:57:29.

can, new investment can do in modern motor manufacturing. As a result,

:57:30.:57:34.

the local supply chain has been rejuvenated. However, we have

:57:35.:57:42.

problems. My constituency as more companies than any other single

:57:43.:57:49.

constituency in the country and they comprise a vital part of the supply

:57:50.:57:57.

chain. -- more profound unease. That underpins -- foundries. We have

:57:58.:58:04.

skills shortages. An ageing workforce and those shortages and

:58:05.:58:10.

workforce have been helped by the recruitment of skilled workers from

:58:11.:58:15.

Eastern Europe through the EU. We must be clear, and they say to me,

:58:16.:58:20.

what about them their ability to meet the demands placed on them by

:58:21.:58:25.

this cutting edge technology that we are producing to expand our

:58:26.:58:30.

manufacturing exports would be hampered and jeopardised.

:58:31.:58:36.

I will certainly give way. Is he aware that the vote Leave policy is

:58:37.:58:41.

once we leave we will cease all unskilled migration into this

:58:42.:58:47.

country? Does he think that is even remotely credible?

:58:48.:58:49.

Law. We don't have time to address all the issues that there is lack of

:58:50.:58:55.

immigration policy would outline. -- law. If I can focus on the relevance

:58:56.:59:03.

to my particular constituency. Without those workers our ability to

:59:04.:59:07.

sustain what is a cutting edge manufacturing capacity in this

:59:08.:59:12.

country would be lost. Now, I would be the first to agree we should be

:59:13.:59:17.

pioneering better skills, apprenticeships and so on and I am

:59:18.:59:22.

glad the industry is looking at that but it does not have, at this

:59:23.:59:27.

moment, the capacity to recruit those workers. If the Leave campaign

:59:28.:59:32.

were to carry out the promises they have made on migration then there is

:59:33.:59:40.

a very real prospect that those companies would be starved of the

:59:41.:59:42.

skills they need is and it could well leads to unemployment of the

:59:43.:59:51.

long-standing indigenous population in those industries. Since I have

:59:52.:59:54.

got a few moments I will address some of the wider issues. I find

:59:55.:00:06.

this idea, and Andrew Neil got it out of Nigel Farage eventually, that

:00:07.:00:12.

they would reduce net migration to 50,000. Then they deploy a very

:00:13.:00:20.

seductive arguments that if they stopped migration from Europe they

:00:21.:00:23.

could have more from the non-EU countries which I think is a bitch

:00:24.:00:34.

to our ethnic minority -- eight pitch. -- a pitch. The fact is the

:00:35.:00:43.

being quoted by the league campaign and Nigel in particular would mean

:00:44.:00:50.

there is no way we could recruit the levels of staff needed, both

:00:51.:00:53.

manufacturing industry and the service industry, particularly care

:00:54.:00:59.

industry, highlighted by other members of this today. They are

:01:00.:01:07.

raising a particular issue to try and inflame local and public opinion

:01:08.:01:15.

but only peddling a bogus solution. We have one week to expose them and

:01:16.:01:20.

demonstrates their interests are within the EU and sustaining our

:01:21.:01:29.

current and manufacturing base. It is a pleasure to see you and your

:01:30.:01:34.

place, Madam Deputy Speaker. Over the next few days we will be making

:01:35.:01:38.

the final arguments to decide not only the future of our country but

:01:39.:01:43.

also our continent. We will ask ourselves who we are and who we wish

:01:44.:01:47.

to become. Whatever the answer the people of this country give, it will

:01:48.:01:52.

be for us in this house to apply that decision to the best interests

:01:53.:01:56.

of the nation. Like many on these benches and have made my own views

:01:57.:02:00.

known. I have spoken out from what I believe and what I believe is in the

:02:01.:02:04.

best interests of my community and for our whole nation. I have fought

:02:05.:02:09.

for this country and, despite some of the comment I have heard, I will

:02:10.:02:13.

not be silenced when speaking in its interest. I recognise today that, no

:02:14.:02:20.

matter what we see in this place, it is no longer parliament that the

:02:21.:02:24.

sovereign. It is the people, as it should be. Whatever is decided on

:02:25.:02:30.

the ballot next week that decision will be final. 50% plus one vote

:02:31.:02:35.

will carry the day. To argue otherwise would be to threaten the

:02:36.:02:39.

fabric of our political settlement and undermine the legitimacy of this

:02:40.:02:43.

house. In the days after the referendum I urge all members to

:02:44.:02:47.

remember that and not question the integrity or intelligence of the

:02:48.:02:51.

British people and having expressed their opinion. What may fall is less

:02:52.:02:59.

certain. It will be our job. -- what may follow. We will receive orders,

:03:00.:03:04.

certainly right to carry on, as we used used to say. We should now be

:03:05.:03:11.

thinking about what the vote in front out would mean for this

:03:12.:03:18.

country. I will give way. The EU bureaucracy and regulations

:03:19.:03:24.

has reduced fishing boat in my constituency by 130 bound to 70. Six

:03:25.:03:30.

major processing factories have closed, jobs lost, young people

:03:31.:03:35.

drifting away from the sea. The EU has devastated the fishing sector in

:03:36.:03:40.

my constituency. Does the honourable gentleman agree that if we want to

:03:41.:03:45.

ensure the re-emergence of the fishing sector in the Hall of the UK

:03:46.:03:52.

and northern Ireland we must lead the EU -- Hall of the EU.

:03:53.:03:56.

The honourable member speaks well for its own constituency but the

:03:57.:04:06.

other member who sell most of their catch of muscles to the EU would

:04:07.:04:11.

want to stay end. It is worth listening to the debates of the

:04:12.:04:14.

whole house and the whole UK rather than one group.

:04:15.:04:21.

What we need to do is get ready. The change in the stock market in the

:04:22.:04:25.

past two days show not only the fishing industry is affected by

:04:26.:04:29.

Europe, in some good ways and some bad, but the investment in our

:04:30.:04:33.

entire island is affected and today people are looking at us and

:04:34.:04:39.

wondering what the future will hold. They are understandably concerned

:04:40.:04:42.

that the factors that led to them to putting money into our businesses

:04:43.:04:46.

may not last. The interconnected market, skills base, normal trading

:04:47.:04:51.

agreements are not as permanent as the once thought nor as permanent as

:04:52.:04:56.

the foot a few days ago. The implications and consequences for us

:04:57.:05:02.

are very severe. Some have begun to doubt, what they are wrong, they are

:05:03.:05:06.

wrong to doubt because Britain is a powerful economy and growing

:05:07.:05:10.

economy, despite the undoubted high duties that would follow a Brexit.

:05:11.:05:17.

We will recover, ended the markets, we will once again become a safe

:05:18.:05:23.

haven. But only in comparison to our neighbours. The implication of this

:05:24.:05:28.

integration for the EU itself is extremely concerning. Let us be

:05:29.:05:33.

under no illusion as to why the option to leave is bad for Britain.

:05:34.:05:37.

It is not, sadly, some claim, because Britain is too small, nor is

:05:38.:05:42.

it because we cannot survive any mobilise world, it is clear we are

:05:43.:05:47.

best connected and better integrated with the global economy than other

:05:48.:05:48.

nations. It is because we are the economic

:05:49.:05:58.

leaders of a continent of 500 million people which are crying out

:05:59.:06:01.

for that leadership and the reforms we can offer. It is worth

:06:02.:06:05.

remembering your in this House that this House has shaped the leadership

:06:06.:06:10.

in Europe. We have already from here achieved two very significant

:06:11.:06:16.

reforms. The first under the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher

:06:17.:06:18.

steered the competing economies of Europe into a single market. She

:06:19.:06:22.

achieved this against the pressure of many other member states, and

:06:23.:06:30.

extended what Britain needed and needs no - economic relation ships

:06:31.:06:34.

that endure across the continent. The result was a huge boost to the

:06:35.:06:42.

economy, and I welcome my friends for the work he did in that. Another

:06:43.:06:52.

took that and source have the lowest debt in a century because of what

:06:53.:06:57.

the Government achieved. We have extended the boundaries of European

:06:58.:07:00.

cooperation to the borders of Russia. This may seem obvious now,

:07:01.:07:04.

but when I was growing up during the Cold War, the challenge of uniting a

:07:05.:07:10.

continent seemed extraordinary. Germany, no so obviously one nation

:07:11.:07:12.

at peace with her neighbours, was not always so. -- now so obviously.

:07:13.:07:21.

And the unity was opposed by many. I served alongside Estonia's trips in

:07:22.:07:27.

Afghanistan. Lithuania and Latvia further showed what including can

:07:28.:07:32.

achieve in the service of peace. My honourable friend is a busy man. I

:07:33.:07:36.

do not know if he has seen General Smith's comments about the

:07:37.:07:40.

importance and need for co-operation and partnership in today's media. It

:07:41.:07:44.

is a compelling case and underlines the point of my honourable friend is

:07:45.:07:48.

making. I am grateful for my honourable friend who refers to

:07:49.:07:51.

general Smith, one of the great strategists of our generation. His

:07:52.:07:57.

book The Utility Of Force is worth reading. Britain was essential to

:07:58.:08:00.

these, but it was not just for ourselves that we did it, nor just

:08:01.:08:04.

for others. Sure well is good for us all. We prosper when are partners

:08:05.:08:12.

prosper, and we achieved peace when our friends are at peace. So stay or

:08:13.:08:16.

go, we must have a plan, and our allies around the world have

:08:17.:08:22.

invested forgers through our markets and billions in industry and decades

:08:23.:08:27.

in our friendship. They need to know that our promises Kent and that they

:08:28.:08:30.

mean something. They need to know that our agreements will endure. --

:08:31.:08:35.

that our promises can't. They need to know that if we brought out on

:08:36.:08:39.

this, we are not turning our back on the world, because it will look to

:08:40.:08:44.

them as though we are. So either way, I urge Her Majesty's Government

:08:45.:08:51.

to commit to invested heavily in the Foreign Office over the next years,

:08:52.:08:55.

because the trouble we have caused our friends and allies in this

:08:56.:08:58.

debate, the doubt that we have sold across the world, is so severe that

:08:59.:09:01.

our markets are struggling and we need messengers of hope and pray is

:09:02.:09:07.

to go to these capitals and reassure our friends. Too often we have

:09:08.:09:12.

ignored our allies and laughed at her friends. We must move on,

:09:13.:09:19.

because I have heard so many people talk about patriotism that today, I

:09:20.:09:25.

say, I am a patriot, but this is my land here and it extends beyond the

:09:26.:09:29.

Sea and beyond the cliffs. This is our continent and we must lead it.

:09:30.:09:35.

Deputy Speaker. I think history proves what happens when this

:09:36.:09:38.

country turns its back and stop thinking age in with Europe, and I

:09:39.:09:44.

think that is why most of the world and many of the experts are asking

:09:45.:09:50.

us to remain where we are. -- stops engaging with Europe. Those who say

:09:51.:09:53.

we have to look to the world as well as the EU are correct, and I agree

:09:54.:09:57.

with them. But as part of the biggest and richest single market in

:09:58.:10:01.

the world, if the rest of the world is telling you it is in your best

:10:02.:10:06.

interest to stay in the European Union, then we should listen to

:10:07.:10:13.

them. The USA, China, India, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, all of the

:10:14.:10:15.

Commonwealth have said we should remain where we are. There is not

:10:16.:10:19.

one country which has come out and asked us to leave the EU. Perhaps

:10:20.:10:24.

only Russia and North Korea are the two countries that want us to do

:10:25.:10:29.

that. And then the World Economic Forum 's such as the IMF, the World

:10:30.:10:34.

Trade Organisation, all say the same. Then unite, and other unions

:10:35.:10:42.

say, remain where you are. Nato says, remain where you are. 90% of

:10:43.:10:48.

scientists the remainder. Universities say remain. The Royal

:10:49.:10:52.

College of midwives say the same. Even the Royal Society for the

:10:53.:10:56.

Protection of Birds says stay where you are. If the coalition that says

:10:57.:11:03.

remain stretches from the world superpower to the local

:11:04.:11:06.

bird-watcher, I think we should listen to what they have to say. I

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want to see 12 things about the north-east of England and the kind

:11:10.:11:15.

of con that I think is being perpetrated on people, not just in

:11:16.:11:18.

the north-east but on this country by the Leave campaign. The

:11:19.:11:22.

north-east is the largest beneficiary of EU grants and

:11:23.:11:27.

subsidies, helping to train our young bebop for work, fund small as

:11:28.:11:32.

this is, universities and agriculture, and helping our economy

:11:33.:11:37.

grow. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said on Monday that

:11:38.:11:39.

leaving the EU would put the Northern Powerhouse and risk. And we

:11:40.:11:45.

now run 2020, the North this is due to receive something like ?800

:11:46.:11:52.

million from the European Union. -- between now and 2020, the north-east

:11:53.:11:57.

is due to receive. The north-east of England has also benefited

:11:58.:12:00.

dramatically from an word investment. The more successful

:12:01.:12:04.

example, I pay credit to him for his role, as well-paid job in County

:12:05.:12:16.

Durham. Hitachi has come to the north-east of Ingram for two

:12:17.:12:20.

reasons. One is the excellent workforce, and the other is because

:12:21.:12:24.

it is the gateway to Europe and they know that. The business model for

:12:25.:12:29.

that investment, aged ?2 million in my constituency, was predicated on

:12:30.:12:35.

the fact that we are part of the EU. Now what the right campaigners

:12:36.:12:40.

saying, that we shouldn't worry about the money from the EU because

:12:41.:12:46.

they will find the money themselves. -- what the Leave campaign is

:12:47.:12:55.

saying. My constituency, like his, benefit tremendously from European

:12:56.:12:57.

social fund money. Does he agree with me that it's a play is not

:12:58.:13:01.

credible for the Leave campaign to simply say one day that they will

:13:02.:13:05.

replace that money without any sense of where they will get it from. He

:13:06.:13:10.

makes a very good point. I will expand on that further into my

:13:11.:13:14.

speech. The Leave campaign have said, do not worry about it, we can

:13:15.:13:20.

pick up the tab after June 23 of remote to comment. I would say to

:13:21.:13:24.

the people in the north-east, do not listen to them. They cannot do it.

:13:25.:13:28.

It is the biggest con ever. First of all, they are not the Government.

:13:29.:13:32.

They have committed to spending the money we contribute to the EU many

:13:33.:13:35.

times over already. And people who are making these comments are

:13:36.:13:39.

Conservative politicians who for years said there was no money

:13:40.:13:43.

available, but have no suddenly discovered a magical money tree. --

:13:44.:13:48.

have no suddenly discovered. Like all things to do with magic, it is

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another gym. Do not fault with it. -- it is an illusion. Do not fall

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for it. Their own analysis have shown what the figures are that are

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involved. The Leave campaign have committed to more spending on lots

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of things. The cost is over ?100 billion. ?100 billion that they do

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not have. So now we know that is of today, we can see the campaigners

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for those who want to leave the EU are perpetrating the biggest con on

:14:29.:14:33.

the north-east ever. So I am saying to the people of the north-east

:14:34.:14:39.

again, do not be conned by the Leave campaign's fantasy economics. I fear

:14:40.:14:45.

for the future of our region where I have lived all my life if we leave

:14:46.:14:49.

the EU. Over 50% of our trade is with Europe from the north-east, and

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it provides over 100,000 jobs. Those two facts alone should make you

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think twice about leaving. If you think twice and on Saturday sets in,

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do not do it. Vote to remain. Don't be conned into believing the land of

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milk and honey awaits us after the referendum, because it doesn't. I

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want to say this to the people of the north-east. Can you really

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believe that people who want to leave would give us --, like one to

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give us the headroom tax and the banks -- the bedroom tax and food

:15:35.:15:38.

banks. They are well people who will remain well of Wetherby voted to

:15:39.:15:43.

remain orderly. I say to the people of the north-east, do not be conned.

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-- whether we vote to remain or leave. The reason why I will be

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voting to remain in is because frankly, I do not trust the Germans

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and the French to run Europe without us being there. Over the last 16

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years, both as the parliamentary candidates and more recently as the

:16:17.:16:21.

member of Parliament, I have always sought to try and take a realistic

:16:22.:16:28.

Euro view. I am not a Euro suicidal. I think we should make sure this

:16:29.:16:34.

thing works for us. And that we get as much as we possibly can out of

:16:35.:16:39.

it. If there is going to be a downturn in our economy, which is

:16:40.:16:44.

what it appears will be likely should we come out, that issue that

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I have been campaigning for for the last 16 years about improving our

:16:49.:16:52.

railways and roads down to the south-west white frankly will be put

:16:53.:16:56.

off for another ten or 15 years. I think that would be a personal

:16:57.:17:02.

disaster. I believe as well that there's a whole matter about our

:17:03.:17:06.

membership of the Union is something very similar to those previous

:17:07.:17:10.

debates that have taken place, like for instance, Imperial preference

:17:11.:17:16.

and things like that. Thank goodness our country eventually found a way

:17:17.:17:22.

to it. But one of the things we fortunately had to do was get

:17:23.:17:25.

involved in a few world wars in the process, and that is something I

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personally am very keen to make sure does not happen, especially as my

:17:31.:17:33.

relatives have fought in every single world war, and certainly all

:17:34.:17:39.

the wars that have ever been in existence, because we have been here

:17:40.:17:43.

for such a long time. To my mind, our job in Europe is to maintain the

:17:44.:17:52.

balance of power and that is truly crucial. When we have walked away

:17:53.:17:56.

from Europe we have found herself having to pay for that with an

:17:57.:17:59.

enormous amount of blood and treasure. Indeed, the other day and

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was receiving a briefing from one of the more renowned journalists in

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this country, who told us that the issue which is happening is America

:18:10.:18:15.

is seeking to turn away from looking at Europe, it sees Russia as a

:18:16.:18:21.

regional issue rather than a world issue, and they are much more

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interested in what happens in the Pacific as well. That, to my mind,

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if we come out of Europe, I think we will be Billy no mates, and I don't

:18:30.:18:33.

want to see that end up happening either. Earlier this year, I spent a

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few days with the Royal Marines, seeing myself some of the issues

:18:40.:18:44.

they have do deal with. I got involved in trying to bowl the

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shelter, light a fire, Keller chicken. I did not do that. It was

:18:49.:18:54.

all rather difficult. I also learned how important the Baltic states are

:18:55.:18:57.

as far as this country is concerned, and unless we end up engaging in

:18:58.:19:04.

Europe, I'm afraid I think that issue will be very big. I would also

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add the Americans are not interested in putting money into Nato. They

:19:10.:19:13.

want to take it out. The moment we decide to walk away from all of

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that, we will find herself actually having to pay more money as well.

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Would my honourable friend recognise that the Republican candidate for

:19:26.:19:30.

the United States Presidency has declared Natal obsolete? I find that

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absolutely and utterly stunning, and that is the reason we want to remain

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in. Some points about my own constituency. The company that run

:19:46.:19:48.

the dockyard have written a letter to the Times and very friendly and

:19:49.:19:53.

support, and the employed 5000 people. I have a boat manufacturer

:19:54.:19:55.

who are very worried indeed about what will happen should we come out

:19:56.:19:59.

because of how they think both the French and Greeks will seek to

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defend the old building industry -- boat building industry. Finally, I

:20:08.:20:11.

think we will end up also seeing our university and the students in my

:20:12.:20:15.

constituency very badly damaged. We have a global reputation for Marine

:20:16.:20:20.

science and engineering research, and that is something that I do not

:20:21.:20:31.

wish to jettison. I understand the unemployment figures, the claimant

:20:32.:20:35.

count, has come down to below 4% in a very deprived constituency. It is

:20:36.:20:39.

rather unique to have a Conservative member of Parliament sitting on

:20:40.:20:43.

these benches representing an inner-city seat which has actually

:20:44.:20:47.

got an 11 year life expectancy difference between the north of my

:20:48.:20:50.

constituency and the West of it, around Devonport as well, and that

:20:51.:20:55.

is something which it is very important we continue to be able to

:20:56.:20:56.

invest into those kind of things. I think the Prime Minister has done

:20:57.:21:05.

the right thing by seeking to make sure we get the best possible deal

:21:06.:21:10.

out of the Europeans that he was able to do. We have to remember that

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if it is decided we should join the European Union in the way of a more

:21:20.:21:24.

integrated way, we are going to have another referendum. That is

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something which I think will horrify some on this side because we have

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heard enough of this as well. This is about making sure we have a

:21:32.:21:37.

strong place in Europe and deliver as far as the economy is concerned

:21:38.:21:42.

for the West Country but also make sure we don't get involved in any

:21:43.:21:48.

more world wars or wars of any sort. Liz Kendall.

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. By the strength of our common

:21:54.:21:56.

endeavour, we achieve more than we do alone, so as to create for each

:21:57.:22:00.

of us the means to fulfil our potential. These words, written on

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Labour's membership card, or why I joined my party. I believe they are

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as true for nation states as they are for the people I am now

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privileged to serve. The reason I say this is the central argument

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made by those who want us to leave the EU is that Britain will achieve

:22:21.:22:24.

more and have more power and control if we vote for Brexit. I could not

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disagree more. In a world that is more connected than ever before,

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we'll control, the power to shape our destiny and tackle challenges,

:22:37.:22:40.

sees opportunities, rather than be left to the mercy of events, comes

:22:41.:22:45.

from working with our neighbours and allies to get the best for the

:22:46.:22:48.

British people. Resident Obama says nations should wheeled influence

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most effectively doing it through the collective action today's

:22:56.:22:59.

challenges demand and he is right. -- President Obama. Being a member

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of the EU gives Britain more influence and power not less. The

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power to sell goods in a sickle market of 500 million people

:23:07.:23:11.

according to rules we help decide and to reach better trade agreements

:23:12.:23:15.

as part of a bigger block of 28 countries. The power to tackle

:23:16.:23:20.

cross-border terrorism and crime and to act together when the rule of

:23:21.:23:26.

international law is threatened on our doorstep, like the sanctions

:23:27.:23:31.

regime we imposed following Russian aggression in Ukraine. And the power

:23:32.:23:35.

to address serious, long-term global challenges like climate change using

:23:36.:23:39.

our influence to secure a better deal within the EU and the EU's

:23:40.:23:43.

influence to get a better deal with the rest of the world. Cutting

:23:44.:23:46.

ourselves off from neighbours and allies in Europe and attempting to

:23:47.:23:52.

go it alone would diminish Britain's power, not increase it. It would

:23:53.:23:55.

give us less control to shape our future, not more. Whilst I care

:23:56.:24:01.

passionately about Britain's influence and role in the world,

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this referendum will in the end come down to the bastion of our economy

:24:05.:24:10.

and whether we will be better off in or out of the EU. There is not a

:24:11.:24:14.

single serious credible organisation that thinks we would be more

:24:15.:24:19.

prosperous out. The TDC and CPI are united. Job investment and wages

:24:20.:24:23.

will be hit and businesses and workers will suffer. The IAF S warns

:24:24.:24:28.

that our economy will shrink if we leave the EU. The costs would

:24:29.:24:32.

outweigh the money we get back I no longer being a member and require an

:24:33.:24:37.

additional 20 240 billion pounds of borrowing or spending cuts on top of

:24:38.:24:43.

what is already planned. Madam Deputy Speaker, I campaign for

:24:44.:24:46.

Remain not just because of the risks of a Brexit vote but because of

:24:47.:24:50.

opportunities for British businesses, workers and young people

:24:51.:24:53.

to build a better future if we remain in the EU. It has already

:24:54.:24:58.

hugely benefited this country, attracting crucial investment from

:24:59.:25:08.

Toyota, jaguar, Nissan and Hitachi another companies. It gives training

:25:09.:25:13.

for young people who need it most. Businesses in my constituency like

:25:14.:25:17.

energy efficiency companies tell me they have got real potential to

:25:18.:25:22.

expand and grow their businesses in future, particularly as the single

:25:23.:25:25.

market in digital services is completed, and as new trade deals

:25:26.:25:29.

open up markets in areas like clean energy. I desperately need companies

:25:30.:25:34.

like this to expand and thrive so that more my constituents can get

:25:35.:25:37.

decent jobs in the motor manufacturing industries of the

:25:38.:25:42.

future. Many of the students I meet also tell me they are passionate

:25:43.:25:46.

about us remaining in the EU. Our great University of Leicester has

:25:47.:25:51.

benefited hugely from investment from the EU, funding its new centre

:25:52.:25:55.

for medicine, doing world leading research on heart disease and

:25:56.:25:58.

training doctors of the future. Being part of the EU enables my

:25:59.:26:03.

students to live and learn and study in other countries. They terrified

:26:04.:26:09.

if we leave the EU their job aspects will be worse. Like me, they are

:26:10.:26:14.

astonished that people who back exit say, even if there is an impact on

:26:15.:26:17.

our economy, it is a price worth paying. But who will end up paying

:26:18.:26:22.

the price? Not Mr Banks. Not the honourable members for Surrey,

:26:23.:26:28.

Oxbridge and other places, no, it will be those who always suffer in

:26:29.:26:32.

an economic downturn, the poor vulnerable and low paid. In concept

:26:33.:26:37.

and businesses and families struggling to cope. Slower growth

:26:38.:26:42.

and lower tax receipts reducing public funding for services we rely

:26:43.:26:47.

on, and for what? The Mirage of greater self-control. That is why I

:26:48.:26:51.

am passionate about as voting to Remain in the EU. So we do not put

:26:52.:26:55.

unity at risk and seize the opportunities of the future. It is a

:26:56.:27:03.

pleasure to follow the honourable member for Leicester West who

:27:04.:27:05.

rightly made a positive case for staying in the European Union but

:27:06.:27:10.

also said importantly, who will pay the price if we leave? In my

:27:11.:27:15.

constituency, and as a country, I want us to be prosperous, peaceful

:27:16.:27:20.

and proud of being British. That is why, Madam Deputy Speaker, I'll be

:27:21.:27:25.

voting to Remain on the 23rd of June. I could make a security case.

:27:26.:27:28.

I could make a case about the sort of country you want us to be.

:27:29.:27:33.

Today's debate is about the economic benefits of the European Union

:27:34.:27:39.

membership. I focus on that. Being in the EU brings investment and jobs

:27:40.:27:45.

to the UK. It is not perfect, nor is any relationship. Being in the EU is

:27:46.:27:48.

good for our economy, which is good for our country. Madam Deputy

:27:49.:27:55.

Speaker, my right honourable friend the Prime Minister recently joined

:27:56.:27:59.

me in my constituency on a visit to a brewery, which is the UK's oldest

:28:00.:28:04.

brewery. It has been expanding successfully since the recession,

:28:05.:28:07.

thanks to our strong and stable economy. That is in the European

:28:08.:28:12.

Union. It is not something they should always take for granted. Like

:28:13.:28:17.

many businesses, the brewery are worried about the risk that mean we

:28:18.:28:23.

-- we may leave the EU, and they are the largest employer in my

:28:24.:28:28.

constituency. If they struggle, that means jobs in my constituency will

:28:29.:28:34.

be lost. I think there is no doubt, and everybody agrees with this,

:28:35.:28:37.

including those who are campaigning to Leave, that there will be a

:28:38.:28:41.

recession if we vote to Leave the European Union. Double mean the loss

:28:42.:28:46.

of thousands of jobs. -- that will mean. I have heard from the Leave

:28:47.:28:51.

side at the loss of those jobs perhaps does not matter. They see it

:28:52.:28:56.

as a sacrifice perhaps worth making but I say that jobs really do

:28:57.:29:00.

matter. Jobs mean livelihood. Income to pay mortgage and rent and bills.

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And by children's shoes. I could go on. It may sound of years but I am

:29:07.:29:10.

shocked at how dismissive some of those arguing Leave are about this.

:29:11.:29:16.

The economic squeeze we will experience, whether it lasts for

:29:17.:29:21.

five years or ten or longer, for today's school leavers, I think

:29:22.:29:25.

about what that means for them. The last generation of school leavers

:29:26.:29:31.

hit so hard by the last recession... We cannot have another lost

:29:32.:29:34.

generation like that as a result of a decision to leave the EU. Some

:29:35.:29:40.

members have argued that a vote to Leave could boost trade with

:29:41.:29:42.

non-European countries and that is highly uncertain. I would say it is

:29:43.:29:49.

unlikely. Our largest export market outside the EU is the US where, in

:29:50.:29:55.

2014, we exported ?84 billion worth of goods. That is dwarfed by the

:29:56.:30:00.

over ?150 billion worth of goods exported to the EU countries. That

:30:01.:30:05.

is good and services. They also argue our exports should increase if

:30:06.:30:12.

we have India, Australia or Canada, but each country has brought less

:30:13.:30:16.

than ?10 billion value per annum and that would in no way change

:30:17.:30:22.

overnight. Before I became an MP, some time ago, my day job was

:30:23.:30:26.

negotiating deals for Time Warner, which was at the time the largest

:30:27.:30:30.

internet provider in the world. One of the things I learned as a deal

:30:31.:30:35.

negotiator was that size matters. Your bargaining power matters and

:30:36.:30:39.

those that say that, as the UK, we would get better deals, the point is

:30:40.:30:44.

that the EU is a larger market. They have greater bargaining power in

:30:45.:30:46.

negotiations with other countries so I do not think we could be remotely

:30:47.:30:51.

confident that however great we are as a country and good at

:30:52.:30:54.

negotiating, we could negotiate better trade deals with other

:30:55.:30:58.

countries than we can within the EU, the EU could. I am conscious of

:30:59.:31:07.

time. I will move on. The NHS is the reason I became a Member of

:31:08.:31:11.

Parliament and since my time doing deals, as I mentioned, I have worked

:31:12.:31:16.

in many hospitals with the NHS. I know how difficult it is for the NHS

:31:17.:31:20.

at the moment. If we have to afford the cost of care for our society as

:31:21.:31:25.

we live longer and want more from the NHS, if we are to afford that,

:31:26.:31:31.

we need a strong economy. A vote to Leave would not only damage our

:31:32.:31:36.

economy and harm our prosperity, it would also damage our international

:31:37.:31:40.

reputation. We are respected abroad for our values and integrity and

:31:41.:31:45.

collective conscience. Many countries seek to emulate our

:31:46.:31:50.

democratic system. Leaving the EU sends the wrong message. It says

:31:51.:31:53.

that, when things get tricky, we walk away. That is not the sort of

:31:54.:31:58.

nation I want us to be. We must be an optimistic country playing an

:31:59.:32:02.

influential role in the world and that means being in the EU and

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leading from the front. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. As part of

:32:10.:32:14.

Labour's In campaign last night, I spoke to a woman on the phone. She

:32:15.:32:18.

was not sure how she would vote and she did not know who to believe. She

:32:19.:32:23.

said she just wanted the facts. That is where I begin, Madam Deputy

:32:24.:32:27.

Speaker. Just one reason why we must be absolutely clear. Globalisation

:32:28.:32:32.

is happening and it is not going away. With democracy in Eastern

:32:33.:32:37.

Europe, the opening of China and India, capital and people now move

:32:38.:32:42.

freely across borders like never before, creating opportunities but

:32:43.:32:47.

also causing disruption. This globally connected economy means

:32:48.:32:49.

problems in the American mortgage market can trigger a recession that

:32:50.:32:54.

spread around the globe in hours. This is the modern world. For us, in

:32:55.:32:59.

Britain, each generation must answer the question, will we accept free

:33:00.:33:04.

trade because of the opportunities it offers? What are the rules

:33:05.:33:10.

required to make that market their? The global economy offers huge

:33:11.:33:14.

potential to the UK. We have advanced service sectors and our

:33:15.:33:22.

creative economy has moved. Boomed. Nowhere more as this obvious and our

:33:23.:33:26.

capital, perhaps the most globalised city in the world. Go to Glasgow and

:33:27.:33:29.

Liverpool in the story is the same but we must be honest about

:33:30.:33:33.

globalisation. Opportunity for many but for others, disruption and

:33:34.:33:37.

dislocation. Jobs created but also jobs lost. Capital movement could

:33:38.:33:44.

grow the economy that capital hiding offshore, untaxed, it's our public

:33:45.:33:47.

services. We must answer this question. How do we get maximum

:33:48.:33:53.

gains from this changing world and had we minimise the disadvantage?

:33:54.:33:56.

That is the real question to be answered by the EU referendum. Amid

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all the misinformation in this debate, I think there is a deep and

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honesty about the campaign to Leave the European Union. Or, rather,

:34:07.:34:10.

should I say, the two campaigns, because there are too completely

:34:11.:34:14.

contradictory arguments about running here at the same time. On

:34:15.:34:18.

one hand, we are told to leave so we can stop the disruptive effects of

:34:19.:34:23.

globalisation and close the borders, protectionism and preferential

:34:24.:34:27.

treatment for British workers. Does the honourable lady recognises

:34:28.:34:31.

well that the Brexit campaign has led people to the top of the hill in

:34:32.:34:36.

relation to immigration and could be doing an enormous amount of damage

:34:37.:34:42.

as far as immigration? Madam Deputy Speaker, I could not

:34:43.:34:44.

have putted better and this is presented to those who are feeling

:34:45.:34:48.

the sharp end of globalisation as a solution. As they said, nothing like

:34:49.:34:56.

that. It would sabotage the British economy and destroy even more jobs.

:34:57.:35:01.

The other set of leavers, the people who think that the problem with the

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EU, we heard it earlier, is that it shot us from globalisation... They

:35:07.:35:12.

say, leave Europe and face the world. Embrace non-EU immigration

:35:13.:35:18.

and let the market goal. Even if you ignore the difficulty of facing the

:35:19.:35:21.

world where you have no trade deals, this is not an attractive option.

:35:22.:35:33.

Two bad options the Britain but one even bigger deceit. The lie that you

:35:34.:35:40.

could have both these things at once but that is not true. Either you are

:35:41.:35:45.

up for free trade and were taking part in the world, working with

:35:46.:35:50.

others to make markets work or you want to shut Britain off from the

:35:51.:35:56.

world. The Leave campaign of misleading people. The dishonesty

:35:57.:36:01.

but across tells low-paid workers there risen easy remedy to their

:36:02.:36:06.

words when the medicine will only make the patients sicker. I agree,

:36:07.:36:12.

it is time for plain speaking and here is the truth. The world economy

:36:13.:36:17.

has globalised. It brings destruction and loss to the British

:36:18.:36:22.

people and we don't solve that by running a siege economy but rather

:36:23.:36:28.

than staying in the single market, take advantage of the opportunities

:36:29.:36:32.

that will come as we properly integrate surges -- services. The EU

:36:33.:36:44.

is 447% of our experts and we should help European companies -- countries

:36:45.:36:51.

make the European reforms. Corporation as we know is how we

:36:52.:36:58.

maximise our success. It is also central to minimising the negative

:36:59.:37:02.

effects of globalisation and it is only through Corporation of the EU

:37:03.:37:05.

that we make sure there is no race to the bottom on working additions.

:37:06.:37:11.

If you are a low-paid worker, brags it will mean worse conditions and

:37:12.:37:16.

worse career progression for you. If you are a higher paid worker, there

:37:17.:37:21.

will be less trade and even higher taxes and if you are a pensioner,

:37:22.:37:26.

Brexit will mean less money to invest in the pension system. They

:37:27.:37:34.

add knowledge there will be a shirt -- short-term hit. Let us take a

:37:35.:37:37.

moment to consider the short-term. It mean a recession as if we were in

:37:38.:37:45.

need of another recession after the horrors of 2008. Unlike 2008, we

:37:46.:37:49.

wouldn't have a Government willing to work with others around the world

:37:50.:37:54.

to solve the crisis. We would have a recession and the most right-wing

:37:55.:37:57.

Government in living memory. A closed economy would make us all

:37:58.:38:03.

poorer and especially those with the least. A choice between prosperity

:38:04.:38:12.

in the EU or austerity out of it. Influence in the EU or irrelevance

:38:13.:38:17.

out of it. Making it work for Britain or pretending we solve our

:38:18.:38:25.

problems by quitting. Let us vote Remain. I believe it is in our

:38:26.:38:29.

national-security interests to remain within the European Union and

:38:30.:38:35.

the national security interests of the US and of our allies in Europe.

:38:36.:38:43.

At a time we see conflict around the world and an unstable world. The

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last thing we want to do is see a fragmentation of the European Union.

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We don't want to see ambiguity in foreign policy and a weakening of

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the European Union and the strength that we draw from one another. There

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has been a lot of debate about whether Nato or the European Union

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is the cornerstone of our national-security. I would argue it

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has developed into both. Nato is a major cornerstone of our national

:39:22.:39:32.

security. However, I asked the question to Brexiteers com is it

:39:33.:39:35.

likely we will see France and Germany FastTrack EU structures? If

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that is the case, is it likely to undermine Nato. My answer is also

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yes. We would see EU defence structures rather than complimenting

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Nato and that makes me very concerned indeed. We also hear on

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the counter-terrorism argument that our open borders would endanger our

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cities and towns and those that live in this country. If you look at our

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counter-terrorism issues and challenges in this country, the

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majority are home-grown. If you look at the awful tax in Brussels and

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Paris -- awful attacks in Brussels and Paris, most of those that were

:40:29.:40:34.

attacks were EU citizens. Remaining in the EU does not increase our

:40:35.:40:46.

threat of terror attack. I was one of the key people. The member for

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Bury North, co-writing the motion to have the European referendum which

:40:55.:40:58.

defeated the Prime Minister and the Conservative Government and we are

:40:59.:41:01.

where we are. I make no apology for having played a key part in that. It

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is right that the British people should be the franchised on the

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European question. Nevertheless, as somebody who has served on the Nato

:41:15.:41:19.

Parliamentary Assembly for five years and on the joint National

:41:20.:41:22.

Security strategy for four years, I came to the view on balance and

:41:23.:41:29.

after serious reflection for national security reasons, that we

:41:30.:41:33.

should remain in the European Union. We have heard a lot about the

:41:34.:41:39.

economic impacts of withdrawal from the European Union. I have no doubt

:41:40.:41:43.

there will be a massive shock on our economy. If there was a ?40 billion

:41:44.:41:50.

hits, yes, there would be further public sector cuts and tax rises and

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that will be bad for Britain. With that national you cannot have

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economic security. Without it, you cannot have national-security

:42:08.:42:10.

because you don't have the funds to pay for our defence and intelligence

:42:11.:42:14.

agencies and the member for Tonbridge calling for a expansion of

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the Foreign Office in the ASIS and the mainstream Foreign Office. The

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member for Plymouth Sutton put his finger right on it. Do we want to

:42:25.:42:30.

put up the white flag? Do we want to surrender all we have worked for as

:42:31.:42:35.

the UK in Europe to France and Germany? They are close allies that

:42:36.:42:42.

there -- they can be eccentric. Diplomacy is a key part of

:42:43.:42:48.

national-security. Are we going to surrender the diplomacy of the

:42:49.:42:51.

European Union over to some of the more eccentric play France and

:42:52.:42:58.

Germany? Would we have those very robust and tough sanctions on

:42:59.:43:01.

Ukraine if it wasn't for the Foreign Secretary and the Prime Minister

:43:02.:43:06.

making robust representations in Brussels and around the capitals of

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Europe in making sure Russia paid for its aggression in Ukraine? If

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Russia didn't pay for that aggression, would it have aggression

:43:15.:43:20.

in the Baltic states? I am not passionate about Europe. I love the

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UK and that is why I believe on balance our best interests for a

:43:27.:43:29.

safer, more secure and prosperous Britain is to remain in the European

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Union. Madam Deputy Speaker, the forthcoming referendum on the UK's

:43:39.:43:42.

membership of the European Union will say a great deal about how we

:43:43.:43:46.

the British people see ourselves as a nation. We nation at peace with

:43:47.:43:52.

ourselves, gospel in the belief that by working closely with others we

:43:53.:43:57.

can govern our people to the benefit of everyone? Internationalist in

:43:58.:44:02.

outlook and confident of our place in the world. Are we fearful of the

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outside world whether it is the European Union that is doing Europe

:44:09.:44:12.

to us rather than us being a part of Europe? Or the threat of immigration

:44:13.:44:21.

but the concept of free movement has been conflated with free movement of

:44:22.:44:26.

refugees, economic migrants, legal or illegal migrants from outside of

:44:27.:44:32.

the European Union. We face a whole host of problems. Illegal migration,

:44:33.:44:38.

people trafficking, terrorism, environmental pollution to our

:44:39.:44:45.

rivers and seas. All of the above do not respect national boundaries. By

:44:46.:44:51.

working together in the most successful multinational

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organisation that the world has ever seen with its own single market is a

:44:54.:44:57.

solution to our problems, not a problem. Yes, we have our

:44:58.:45:04.

differences with European neighbours that they settled on conference

:45:05.:45:07.

tables in places like Brussels, Strasbourg, London, Berlin and

:45:08.:45:16.

Paris, not by bloody wars. Those problems escalated into two world

:45:17.:45:21.

Wars resulting in the deaths of millions of people. The real

:45:22.:45:28.

responses for Britain to say that these problems are also our

:45:29.:45:33.

problems. We cannot shut ourselves off politically and economically

:45:34.:45:37.

from the rest of Europe. We must recognise that it is a geographical

:45:38.:45:42.

and political fact that we are part of a union of nations that shares

:45:43.:45:48.

common interests, values and goals and that our neighbour's problems

:45:49.:45:51.

will become our own unless we work with them to help solve them. If we

:45:52.:45:57.

didn't already have that European Union, we would have had to create

:45:58.:46:01.

something similar to deal with these particular problems and many others

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indeed. History, solidarity and common sense are good reasons for

:46:08.:46:13.

staying within the EU. Let me be more hard-headed about this and talk

:46:14.:46:17.

in terms of costs and benefits. I have said little about the benefits

:46:18.:46:23.

and the things we take for granted. The anti-Europeans who say Europe is

:46:24.:46:29.

a threat totally disregard the decades of successful membership

:46:30.:46:33.

which has contributed into making Britain into the world's fifth

:46:34.:46:39.

largest economy. Yes, we could survive outside of the European

:46:40.:46:42.

Union. Yes, we could manage outside the European Union but at what

:46:43.:46:47.

price? The benefits of being a member of the largest single market

:46:48.:46:53.

in the world has cost, and that is why we pay contributions. You do so

:46:54.:47:00.

because you accept the benefits outweigh the costs. Let us see what

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the UK's largest business organisation says and then I will

:47:06.:47:09.

say a little bit about what the UK's largest worker's organisation says.

:47:10.:47:18.

We have access to a 16.6 trillion dollars a year in the single market

:47:19.:47:24.

of 5 million people and that is a key benefits. The single market goes

:47:25.:47:29.

beyond the trade agreement. It has eliminated tariff barriers within

:47:30.:47:34.

its borders and has taken strides towards removing nontariff barriers

:47:35.:47:38.

such as goods, regulations across the board. The UK's net contribution

:47:39.:47:46.

is a small net cost relative to the benefits and net contribution is

:47:47.:47:51.

around 7.3 billion euros or not .4% of GDP. It is clear the largest

:47:52.:47:59.

business organisation is in favour. The cheat -- the TUC general

:48:00.:48:03.

secretary, Frances O'Grady comes as working people have a huge stake in

:48:04.:48:06.

the referendum because worker's writes on the line. It guarantees

:48:07.:48:12.

workers then writes to play -- to pay holidays, equal leave and

:48:13.:48:17.

treatment for part-timers. These rights cannot be taken for granted

:48:18.:48:22.

and without the back-up of EU laws on scrupulous -- unscrupulous

:48:23.:48:31.

lawyers will take away protections. Without remaining, those protections

:48:32.:48:38.

could disappear. Vote Remain. When we started this process, if you had

:48:39.:48:49.

split me down the middle, I was 49% for leave and 51% for remain. Today,

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I am ?127 -- 100 and 27% in favour of Remain. There are two reasons

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that have got me to that position. The first is looking at some of the

:49:15.:49:19.

facts. I am a south-west member of Parliament. We export goods from the

:49:20.:49:23.

south-west to the EU in the first quarter of this year of ?9.7

:49:24.:49:30.

billion. That is 64% of all the exports from the south-west going to

:49:31.:49:39.

the EU. In my constituency, 5249 jobs are reckoned to be dependent

:49:40.:49:43.

upon trade and membership of the European Union, one of the highest,

:49:44.:49:49.

if not the highest in the county. On a conservative estimate, 45,000 jobs

:49:50.:49:50.

will be at risk in my region in It would be a dereliction of duty to

:49:51.:50:13.

vote any other way than to preserve that. I don't wish to sacrifice on

:50:14.:50:20.

some altar of so-called sovereignty the livelihoods of my constituent

:50:21.:50:27.

two. Because sovereignty as an abstract does not pay the mortgage

:50:28.:50:32.

or the rent or the bills. It does not put food on the table. I will be

:50:33.:50:39.

able to look at my constituents in the eyes and say, we do not have two

:50:40.:50:47.

starts in the case of independence. What a marvellous legacy to leave.

:50:48.:50:53.

Would the honourable gentleman luckily the NDI, somebody who relied

:50:54.:51:01.

on paying my mortgage and put food on my table and my children's table

:51:02.:51:06.

and say that he is happy to sacrifice an industry for the EU

:51:07.:51:10.

ideal? In the first instance, I would not

:51:11.:51:18.

say that it has been sacrificed, the fishing sector, but we are

:51:19.:51:22.

absolutely right to look at it from the perspective of our constituents.

:51:23.:51:27.

I know that the agriculture and dairy sector in North Dorset would

:51:28.:51:31.

not be able to survive without the continued guarantee, politically

:51:32.:51:37.

colour-blind support, that the EU provides to British agriculture.

:51:38.:51:41.

There are two things I want to say specifically, if I may. The first

:51:42.:51:48.

has been the absolute lack of clarity and united vision from the

:51:49.:51:56.

Leave campaign. Albania, Norway, WTO, something like that... We can

:51:57.:52:01.

stand alone... Whatever it might happen to be. Somehow or another we

:52:02.:52:08.

have this arrogance, which I think was probably the death of some of

:52:09.:52:12.

our industry is some years ago, that we have the right to sell to the

:52:13.:52:16.

rest of the world, and Europe, on terms to our satisfaction, and they

:52:17.:52:21.

should feel jolly grateful that they are allowed to buy our product. The

:52:22.:52:25.

global marketplace does not work like that any more! We have two

:52:26.:52:31.

burden our living. -- earn our living.

:52:32.:52:36.

Thank you the honourable member for giving way. Is this not a

:52:37.:52:44.

contradiction for Leave? They claim we could sign up to every EU rule

:52:45.:52:48.

and regulation but not be able to change it. The only way to change EU

:52:49.:52:53.

regulations is if you are a member of the EU.

:52:54.:52:57.

The honourable gentleman is absolutely right. It is either the

:52:58.:53:01.

longest suicide note in history or the worst written business plan I

:53:02.:53:07.

have ever come across. It's a fantastic wheeze, you know. 42% of

:53:08.:53:17.

my almost guaranteed sales, I will go and see if I can grow another few

:53:18.:53:22.

markets. But we can do both. It seems to me the highest folly in

:53:23.:53:28.

favour the already tariff free access to the world's largest free

:53:29.:53:32.

trading area. It would be a dereliction of our duty, and for

:53:33.:53:39.

those who get frightfully excited about when they are erogenous zones

:53:40.:53:47.

of sovereignty are being tickled... Not in the cases of some, Madam

:53:48.:53:52.

Deputy Speaker, the most attractive prospect I could think of... Let us

:53:53.:53:58.

just recall and put on the record... We keep saying we must take

:53:59.:54:05.

decisions. Absolutely right, accountable to our constituents. If

:54:06.:54:08.

after five years they do not like what we have done, they can kick us

:54:09.:54:15.

out. They are is a vote in this sovereign parliament this afternoon,

:54:16.:54:20.

and 74% of us voted to remain. Cross-party, across regions, a

:54:21.:54:27.

cross-country. A signal of the clear merits and benefits of the UK plc

:54:28.:54:32.

doing that originally British thing of fighting for our interests,

:54:33.:54:37.

championing our businesses and speaking of our people, and making

:54:38.:54:40.

sure we get the best deal possible. I do want to say something else. The

:54:41.:54:46.

other thing which has given me that extra 60 odd percent to be in

:54:47.:54:53.

remain. That we would not have a rerun of the debate which we saw in

:54:54.:55:02.

Russia in the 1870s and 1880s and in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. Our

:55:03.:55:07.

infrastructure was under pressure. We can solve that. That is a solving

:55:08.:55:13.

job of this place at our local councils. But, no. Those people

:55:14.:55:22.

blamed the Ugandans, they blamed the Jews, but they will blame anybody

:55:23.:55:28.

else but ourselves. They blame "Them" for taking our jobs, our

:55:29.:55:33.

houses, our places on the hospital waiting lists, forgetting

:55:34.:55:38.

constituencies such as mine, where many retired. We need this young...

:55:39.:55:45.

These young people coming in to work in our services. Madam Deputy

:55:46.:55:51.

Speaker, we are hearing that bitter, twisted, acid debate about

:55:52.:56:01.

immigration. I do not want to be any part of that. There is a very

:56:02.:56:05.

strong, positive narrative to say that we need that new blood and

:56:06.:56:09.

talent. We need those people coming to our shores. When they go to Spain

:56:10.:56:16.

and set up a business, we call ourselves and expat. When they come

:56:17.:56:20.

here, we see them as a drain. Not to my name, not in the name of this

:56:21.:56:25.

party, we vote to Remain. You may, like many have seen, a

:56:26.:56:33.

front-page splash in the Times last week trumpeting support for Brexit

:56:34.:56:41.

from Lord Bamford of JCB. An iconic person based in Staffordshire. The

:56:42.:56:48.

story smacked of desperation. It was as we call it in the trade old news.

:56:49.:56:54.

Anyone reading the local newspaper in Staffordshire would have known

:56:55.:56:58.

when the good Lord came out for it a year ago. He is part of just a small

:56:59.:57:04.

smattering of industrialists on the Brexit site, including Maverick

:57:05.:57:09.

night of the wrong James Dyson, who makes impossibly, located Hoover 's

:57:10.:57:15.

in Malaysia. The reality is that there are views are not reflective

:57:16.:57:22.

of the large majority of businesses, investors or economies. Our EU

:57:23.:57:25.

membership has been vital in attracting much-needed investment

:57:26.:57:28.

here. Nissan, Toyota and Honda from Japan made that clear early on,

:57:29.:57:34.

voting for the UK to Remain. The likes of BMW, Volkswagen and Bosch

:57:35.:57:42.

from Germany have since joined them. Does my honourable friend see the

:57:43.:57:45.

story in the Financial Times today which points out that both Sir James

:57:46.:57:53.

Dyson and Anthony Bamford have been caught breaking competition rules by

:57:54.:57:56.

the European Commission, and suggesting that was the motive?

:57:57.:58:03.

I cannot speak for their personal relation to it by hand sure they

:58:04.:58:05.

speak for themselves personally rather than for their own

:58:06.:58:10.

businesses. German companies who employ 500,000 people, and along

:58:11.:58:15.

with the Japanese, they have made the UK car industry the most

:58:16.:58:22.

successful in our country's history. Along with Tata Steel, with their

:58:23.:58:27.

investment into Land Rover. That's Tata would want to leave the world's

:58:28.:58:33.

biggest single market? In this case, their voices deserve to be listened

:58:34.:58:37.

to, not silenced through intimidation from the Leave

:58:38.:58:41.

campaign. Of course, the voices of great British companies, and

:58:42.:58:44.

household names like Rolls-Royce, one of our biggest export. My

:58:45.:58:50.

grandad built spitfire engines at Crewe for Rolls-Royce and today the

:58:51.:58:54.

country patriotically urged its staff to vote Remain. Madam Deputy

:58:55.:58:59.

Speaker, it is not just big multinationals who are emphatically

:59:00.:59:03.

in favour of our remaining. This spring, I carried out a survey of

:59:04.:59:10.

around 1000 small businesses in my constituency Newcastle under line.

:59:11.:59:13.

We had a response that 80% were in favour of Remain. Some thought, yes,

:59:14.:59:20.

we should stay in to reform from within. The response to the survey

:59:21.:59:24.

reflects the balance within the wine and Bishop of Staffordshire's

:59:25.:59:29.

Chamber of Commerce -- the wider membership. That vital, for us,

:59:30.:59:42.

export led industry, puts it in the country's interests. They recognise

:59:43.:59:46.

it is better to have one rule rather than 28 different ones for each

:59:47.:59:50.

country in the EU. We take a local example of the new economy, as well.

:59:51.:59:54.

One of our most passionate supporters of the campaign to Remain

:59:55.:00:05.

is bet 365, one of the world's biggest online betting companies and

:00:06.:00:10.

the owner of a football club. Over the last years, the family who owns

:00:11.:00:13.

it has built it into one of the biggest private sector companies in

:00:14.:00:18.

Staffordshire, with many highly skilled staff. It is one of the UK's

:00:19.:00:22.

biggest success stories of the last decade and they can only dream,

:00:23.:00:25.

because at the moment they do not just have 28 rules to content with

:00:26.:00:30.

that far more, with a German Lander and different European regions

:00:31.:00:37.

having individual regulations. Bet 365 would benefit by staying in and

:00:38.:00:41.

extending the single market to services in e-commerce, which were

:00:42.:00:47.

key pieces of the Minister's negotiation.

:00:48.:00:53.

Earlier on, you probably heard it mentioned that there was a vote from

:00:54.:00:59.

different parties in relation to why they want to Remain in Europe.

:01:00.:01:03.

Another voice was from Margaret Thatcher. Why did she sign up to the

:01:04.:01:10.

single market? There is a proposal for a central bank and the role...

:01:11.:01:17.

These were all factors... Now some of the Brexit people who want out by

:01:18.:01:21.

the very people who signed up to support it.

:01:22.:01:26.

My honourable friend was right, and Margaret Thatcher knew what side

:01:27.:01:29.

this country's bread was buttered on and as did John Major, whose

:01:30.:01:34.

Government was held to ransomed by many of the figures on this side.

:01:35.:01:41.

That'll make the honourable member from Whitney's life a misery when

:01:42.:01:46.

hopefully we vote to stay in. The businesses I mentioned locally and

:01:47.:01:48.

nationally will not benefit, nor with the wider British economy.

:01:49.:01:58.

Madam Deputy Speaker, if I had more time, I would talk in detail about

:01:59.:02:02.

the benefits to the NHS and higher education. There is a whole campus

:02:03.:02:10.

at the University in Newcastle underlying which has one of the

:02:11.:02:14.

country's leading medical schools. That is about to be boosted by a ?20

:02:15.:02:19.

million new research facility for drugs and medical treatments, and

:02:20.:02:26.

?30 million come from the EU. The NHS local economy is due to get ?30

:02:27.:02:32.

million EU funding for research and education alone. The risks of losing

:02:33.:02:38.

that if we vote to Leave are sizeable. The EU has been pivotal in

:02:39.:02:41.

securing other things too often taken for granted. Equal rights for

:02:42.:02:47.

agency workers and minimum paid holidays, maternity pay and the

:02:48.:02:51.

quality of play across the board. But Deputy Speaker, to conclude...

:02:52.:03:00.

-- equality of pay. I believe it is a tactical exercise in party

:03:01.:03:03.

management which has seen the Conservative Party, the governing

:03:04.:03:06.

party fall apart. The honourable member for Whitney, through two

:03:07.:03:13.

general elections and referendum so far as being in many respects of the

:03:14.:03:16.

largest Prime Minister and next Thursday, on this occasion, I hope

:03:17.:03:21.

he will hold. The decision we face next next week is about more than

:03:22.:03:25.

jobs, investment and prosperity. It is not learning correct lessons from

:03:26.:03:29.

history. The past has shown that Britain has an important role at the

:03:30.:03:34.

heart of Europe. That engagement and co-operation makes that continent

:03:35.:03:38.

more progressive, more outward looking and more stable. Next

:03:39.:03:41.

Thursday, the right lesson to learn for history is to vote Remain.

:03:42.:03:49.

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is a great privilege to be called to

:03:50.:03:53.

speak in this historic did late. I vote Remain for one fundamental

:03:54.:03:58.

reason, because I am a father of four small children and the last

:03:59.:04:01.

thing I want is for them to grab any country with less opportunity than I

:04:02.:04:06.

had the great privilege to enjoy. What an opportunity it is. If we

:04:07.:04:12.

vote to leave, this country will not go to the dogs. Rather, it will be a

:04:13.:04:18.

case of an opportunity missed, because alone in the world we are

:04:19.:04:24.

the only major nation on earth that enjoys unfettered access to the

:04:25.:04:27.

European single market in a currency over which there is no existential

:04:28.:04:34.

doubt. I was passionately opposed to membership of the euro, but in my

:04:35.:04:42.

view, to be a major nation in the EU but outside the straitjacket of the

:04:43.:04:46.

Eurozone, it's an incredible position to be in and it has been

:04:47.:04:50.

strengthened greatly when the renegotiation of the Prime Minister.

:04:51.:04:56.

By securing this one key point which is that the EU cannot discriminate

:04:57.:05:02.

against those countries that do not use the euro, it means this platform

:05:03.:05:07.

of prosperity is now secure and in my view come by voting to remain, we

:05:08.:05:16.

can build on that. We will restore our reputation as a safe haven and a

:05:17.:05:22.

sound unstable country in which to invest. The referendum in Scotland

:05:23.:05:28.

and this referendum put that at threat. To the people that matter...

:05:29.:05:39.

I will give way. He brings up the independence referendum in Scotland

:05:40.:05:43.

but the Scottish Government provided a 650 page white paper saying what

:05:44.:05:47.

they would do in the case of an independent Scotland and I have seen

:05:48.:05:58.

the squat from the vote Leave. The point I am making is not too inside

:05:59.:06:04.

the SNP, it is to say we have restored our reputation

:06:05.:06:07.

internationally for being a sound unstable nation by putting these two

:06:08.:06:10.

constitutional issue is not about Bert to the margins to those who

:06:11.:06:16.

dashed to those that matters most. Bastia I were standing on a platform

:06:17.:06:24.

on the mainline into Liverpool Street with a member of my

:06:25.:06:27.

Conservative Association. A train came towards London from China.

:06:28.:06:34.

Every single wagon on that train had a container on it and this chap

:06:35.:06:39.

looked at me with dismay. A few minutes later when a goods train

:06:40.:06:43.

went on the opposite direction with not a single container on it, I

:06:44.:06:47.

reassured him, don't worry that that is what we mean by invisible

:06:48.:06:56.

exports. That is the key point. A few minutes later on the same

:06:57.:07:04.

platform, herds of commuters including many from my constituency

:07:05.:07:07.

boarded the train to Liverpool Street not to make the widgets to go

:07:08.:07:14.

back to China but Selby insurance to negotiate professional services to

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do the finance. This is where our advantage lies. Traders about

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advantage doing what you do best. If you believe there is no way we can

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have a say in completing the single market in services if we stay, we

:07:28.:07:31.

will achieve that and you cannot put a value on what that will add to our

:07:32.:07:35.

economy with this expertise in the service sector. The third point is

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about inward investment. I find it astonishing that we keep hearing

:07:42.:07:46.

about this point about the deficit in European trade compared to the

:07:47.:07:51.

rest of the world. There is only one group of companies that are doing

:07:52.:07:54.

that trade and most of those, the ones making the biggest dent in

:07:55.:07:59.

exports of foreign companies, Japanese car-makers, American banks.

:08:00.:08:05.

French pharmaceutical firms. Their biggest export market is by far the

:08:06.:08:10.

USA but they are based here in the UK because we have access to the

:08:11.:08:15.

single market. To pretend European trade and the global trade is

:08:16.:08:19.

separate is a complete nonsense. If we vote to remain, we will drive

:08:20.:08:25.

investment higher and driver exports so instead of worrying about trade

:08:26.:08:30.

figures as some negotiating stance, we look at them as if we need to do

:08:31.:08:34.

better and we have to vote to remain to show this country is open against

:08:35.:08:38.

the business from around the world. The fourth point relates to the

:08:39.:08:44.

point about the future of the Eurozone. Those that want to leave

:08:45.:08:48.

say the glass is half empty, which would leave because the Eurozone

:08:49.:08:53.

will collapse. Because of this point about our flexible position, if the

:08:54.:08:57.

Eurozone gets into trouble, it will strengthen this unique fact that we

:08:58.:09:01.

alone as a big country have unfettered access and not in the

:09:02.:09:07.

euro. If it strengthens, it would boost our exports and help the trade

:09:08.:09:12.

deficit. We cannot lose from the position provided we play our cards

:09:13.:09:18.

right. There are those who say in this referendum on neither basis

:09:19.:09:21.

with voting for the status quo and they are right. If we vote to

:09:22.:09:25.

remain, it will not be the status quo because we will have made up our

:09:26.:09:29.

mind and after all these years of being held back by this debate about

:09:30.:09:34.

whether to be in or out, if we decide as a country to remain, we

:09:35.:09:39.

are deciding to get stuck in in Europe representing this country and

:09:40.:09:45.

I believe that we will have to stand tall, proud and prosperous in this

:09:46.:09:48.

great continent on behalf of this great country and the only way to do

:09:49.:09:52.

that is to do the pitch a lot of thing and vote to remain in the

:09:53.:09:58.

European Union. I would like to focus this afternoon on why it is

:09:59.:10:04.

important for Croydon North that Britain remains in the European

:10:05.:10:08.

Union. Croydon North is part of an outer London borough but it has many

:10:09.:10:12.

of the features of an inner-city area. It has a diverse population,

:10:13.:10:19.

high levels of youth unemployment and it has too much poor quality

:10:20.:10:24.

housing in the private rented sector but it has a very enterprising

:10:25.:10:29.

population. Croydon is at a crossroads. The Labour council that

:10:30.:10:35.

was elected two years ago has announced a massive ?5 billion

:10:36.:10:37.

regeneration project for the town centre that will affect the entire

:10:38.:10:42.

borough. It will reshape the retail centre around a Westfield shopping

:10:43.:10:47.

mall including thousands of new homes, creating new jobs, education

:10:48.:10:52.

and leather facilities -- leisure facilities. Croydon is ideally

:10:53.:11:00.

placed to take advantage of being part of the world's biggest trading

:11:01.:11:06.

block. The future looks bright for Croydon but a big question hangs

:11:07.:11:12.

over it all and that is the threat of Brexit and the referendum next

:11:13.:11:17.

week. The investors Croydon hopes to attract will think again if Croydon

:11:18.:11:21.

is placed outside the European Union. They don't want trade

:11:22.:11:25.

barriers blocking the access to Europe and they will think trike --

:11:26.:11:30.

twice about investing in an economy that is going backwards into

:11:31.:11:34.

recession. If we try and stay in the single market without EU membership,

:11:35.:11:39.

we will be subject to EU rules and freedom of movement like Norway and

:11:40.:11:42.

Switzerland but without the veto that we currently have. The same

:11:43.:11:51.

circumstances but no voice. That is the one argument is that people

:11:52.:11:54.

aren't aware of. They think we can have a trade agreement with the EU

:11:55.:11:58.

and still lower the immigration from EU countries. It is an true because

:11:59.:12:03.

we will have to sign up to the same freedom of movement and we need to

:12:04.:12:12.

get that message out. The honourable lady is right. We would become

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weaker, not more powerful if we left the European Union. We would lose

:12:16.:12:21.

control of our destiny not gain control over it. The governor of the

:12:22.:12:25.

Bank of England has want a vote to leave the EU could shrug recession

:12:26.:12:29.

and nine out of ten economists agree that breaks it would damage the

:12:30.:12:36.

economy. -- Brexit. It will be the first time an economy has chosen to

:12:37.:12:42.

throw its economy into recession and it will mean lower tax revenues,

:12:43.:12:48.

more cuts in public services like health and education, rising

:12:49.:12:50.

interest rates to prop up the pound and because of that, is, how

:12:51.:12:54.

mortgages. It is not the wealthy elite that will suffer. It is

:12:55.:13:00.

ordinary people in places like Croydon North. Immigration has

:13:01.:13:06.

helped London's economy to grow. Immigration has benefited Croydon

:13:07.:13:10.

immensely. Whether pressures because of a minute -- because of

:13:11.:13:13.

immigration like the National Health Service, those pressures are not the

:13:14.:13:17.

fault of the immigrants who put in more to the economy than they take

:13:18.:13:22.

out. They are the fault of a Tory Government that is underfunding our

:13:23.:13:29.

health service. We cannot allow immigrants to beast gate goaded for

:13:30.:13:33.

the failures of this Conservative Government. Too many people in

:13:34.:13:38.

Croydon work long hours for low pay and insecure jobs. Their lives will

:13:39.:13:42.

become harder still without the protection that comes from the

:13:43.:13:48.

membership of the EU. Brexit Tories have made it clear they can't wait

:13:49.:13:52.

to leave the European Union so they can cut worker's writes in half.

:13:53.:13:59.

They want to remove rights for part-time workers and parents,

:14:00.:14:02.

increase working hours, reduce paid leave. It was the European social

:14:03.:14:07.

chapter that triggered the Tory revolt on Europe not because they

:14:08.:14:10.

want to protect British workers but because they want to exploit British

:14:11.:14:18.

workers. Is he aware of the independent legal opinion of Michael

:14:19.:14:28.

Ford QC who says there would be damaged to collective consultation,

:14:29.:14:31.

collective bargaining and the rights of part-time workers would go. --? I

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was not aware of that case but it doesn't surprise me because it is

:14:44.:14:47.

what many commentators have been saying about the implications of

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Tory Brexit would be on worker's writes, jobs and the prosperity of

:14:54.:14:56.

ordinary people in this country. It is because of that the other reasons

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we have had that I am confident voters in Croydon will vote to

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remain part of the European Union. If the European Union is an

:15:07.:15:09.

organisation that needs reform to make more accountable, we need to

:15:10.:15:13.

hear the concerns expressed by people of goodwill and use those to

:15:14.:15:18.

make the EU work better in the future. We cannot cut ourselves

:15:19.:15:24.

adrift and leave us all subject to an EU that we can no longer

:15:25.:15:27.

influence because we are out select -- isolated on the outside. Britain

:15:28.:15:34.

is better off in Europe and I will be voting Remain. Like many others,

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I am a firm supporter of membership of the European Union and have been

:15:41.:15:46.

campaigning even before the general election. I don't support a

:15:47.:15:50.

membership out of fear of what would happen if we left even though there

:15:51.:15:54.

are serious questions the Leave need to answer. My report stems from a

:15:55.:16:02.

positive. We are the fifth largest economy in the world as the levers

:16:03.:16:09.

continue to remind us. Long-term forecast suggests our economy will

:16:10.:16:15.

overtake Germany in the early 2030's but that is only if we carry on the

:16:16.:16:19.

same trajectory as we have at the moment. My point is that why when we

:16:20.:16:25.

enjoy such a prominent position in the world, when we have the

:16:26.:16:27.

potential to champion the ideals that have made our country great

:16:28.:16:31.

will anyone to walk away from providing leadership just at the

:16:32.:16:34.

time when Europe is crying out for it? People wishing to leave the EU

:16:35.:16:39.

say our values need to be defended and I agree but I say our values or

:16:40.:16:45.

are also worth exporting and exports are one of the most important

:16:46.:16:51.

reasons why we should remain. As a single market, the EU remains our

:16:52.:16:54.

biggest trading partner. A company can set itself up in the UK from

:16:55.:16:59.

anywhere in the world and instantly have access to 500 million

:17:00.:17:02.

consumers. The virtue of a memo should attract some of the best

:17:03.:17:06.

talent from around the world and encourages new businesses to set up

:17:07.:17:10.

here investing in the UK and creating jobs. UK market for goods

:17:11.:17:16.

and services is the second least regulated, second to the

:17:17.:17:20.

Netherlands. Surely that is proof that the EU is not making us less

:17:21.:17:25.

competitive for investment. Not only do we attract world leading

:17:26.:17:30.

countries but the EU is academic network which our universities and

:17:31.:17:36.

companies can draw upon. Portsmouth is home to several international

:17:37.:17:40.

companies that depend on free access to the European markets and it is

:17:41.:17:43.

home to one of the most rapidly developing universities in Europe

:17:44.:17:47.

and I believe our interest in Portsmouth is best served by

:17:48.:17:51.

remaining in the EU. We are the gateway into the European Union for

:17:52.:17:55.

other countries including all the major economies of the world but

:17:56.:18:00.

particularly for the Commonwealth. The Prime Minister of India said as

:18:01.:18:04.

far as India is concerned, is there -- if there is an entry point for

:18:05.:18:09.

the EU, that is the UK. Our mothership of the EU is one of the

:18:10.:18:13.

factors which binds the Commonwealth together. We did not abandon or

:18:14.:18:17.

leave the Commonwealth behind when we joined the European economic

:18:18.:18:21.

community, we provided the simplest and most straightforward route for

:18:22.:18:24.

our Commonwealth partners to get the most benefit out of it. Our links

:18:25.:18:29.

with some of the most powerful economies are enriched by a

:18:30.:18:32.

membership of the EU not jeopardised by it. There are many other benefits

:18:33.:18:37.

that our membership brings to the UK and to the rest of Europe but the

:18:38.:18:42.

overarching theme is one of stability. The equal partnerships

:18:43.:18:45.

between us and our neighbours are have supported a period of peace and

:18:46.:18:51.

stability that is unprecedented in our history. 70 years of peace out

:18:52.:18:57.

of 1000 years of war has to be worth fighting for. I hope we vote to

:18:58.:19:01.

remain on the 23rd not out of fear but out of fear that our confidence

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to shape the continent where Britain already plays a leading role. Thank

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you maddened deputy speaker. This debate has consumed us in this

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Chamber for the best part of a year. -- thank you Madam Deputy Speaker.

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It is also raging for months in communities outside. Yet the most

:19:31.:19:35.

dispiriting thing about this process is that I find so many people who

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say now that they are less well-informed than they were at the

:19:40.:19:43.

beginning of the discussion. I think the reason for that is all to do

:19:44.:19:47.

with the manner in which the debate has been conducted. Not only has it

:19:48.:19:51.

been in sets and Lee negative but it has traded in sound bites and has

:19:52.:19:56.

tried to pander prejudice rather than illuminate and educate and

:19:57.:20:01.

inform people so they can make a proper decision. I hope in the

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limited time available to explode some of those myths and

:20:05.:20:10.

representations that have been put about. First is to do with

:20:11.:20:11.

sovereignty. Next Thursday we will be part of the

:20:12.:20:21.

European Union and next Thursday people will vote on whether we

:20:22.:20:25.

continue that relationship. In that moment, sovereignty will lie with

:20:26.:20:29.

the people of the United Kingdom. There is nothing they can do next

:20:30.:20:32.

Thursday that will change that situation. No matter the result, in

:20:33.:20:39.

one year's time, two years, or five years or never, the people of the UK

:20:40.:20:43.

could choose to review the decision they make next Thursday. Nothing is

:20:44.:20:48.

forever and a Government must always be with the consent of the people.

:20:49.:20:53.

When the Leave campaign says the choice next Thursday is between

:20:54.:20:56.

retaining sovereignty here are giving it away, that is not a

:20:57.:21:00.

half-truth or misrepresentation. That is a lie. The next thing is to

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do with money. We have talked about how much we contribute and get back.

:21:08.:21:10.

It is a fact that we need to tell people we are net contributors to

:21:11.:21:15.

the European Union but we need to explain why that is and where that

:21:16.:21:18.

money goes. The truth is the bulk of that money goes to support social

:21:19.:21:24.

and economic development programmes in European member states for less

:21:25.:21:29.

prosperous countries than we are. That is not the result of charitable

:21:30.:21:35.

donations by philanthropists in the Cabinet, that is a strategy to try

:21:36.:21:39.

and develop the economy across the continent so in years to come the

:21:40.:21:42.

people living in southern and eastern Europe will have the economy

:21:43.:21:46.

and support and money to be able to buy the goods and services we make

:21:47.:21:53.

in this country. It is a continental approach to...

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Is there also a case that it is much better to invest in these countries

:22:00.:22:05.

so we can trade with them than it is to send young men and women to die

:22:06.:22:11.

on these battlefields like they have done on this concern for centuries?

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I could not agree with that more. Now the question of democracy. It

:22:17.:22:19.

has been suggested by Leave that this is a question of an unelected,

:22:20.:22:23.

unaccountable European bureaucracy versus, I guess, the exemplar of

:22:24.:22:28.

democratic participation we already have in this country. That also is

:22:29.:22:33.

untrue. There are three institutions in the EU. One, Parliament directly

:22:34.:22:39.

elected by people. The Council of ministers composed of elected

:22:40.:22:41.

ministers from national governments and a third made up of pointed

:22:42.:22:47.

commissioners appointed by elected national governments. When we say

:22:48.:22:50.

the European Union is undemocratic, but is also a lie. -- that is a lie.

:22:51.:22:57.

I now want to talk to my colleagues on the left, who have joined the

:22:58.:23:02.

Leave campaign. There are some within my own party as well. I

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regret what they have done because I think they have given an air of

:23:06.:23:12.

political breadth to a campaign which is fundamentally reactionary

:23:13.:23:15.

in nature. I hope they will reconsider. When you come across

:23:16.:23:23.

glib phrases like, a boss of Europe... Take a moment to

:23:24.:23:26.

understand what is happening. Anyone with a materialist view of

:23:27.:23:29.

philosophy knows we make our own history. The institutions which

:23:30.:23:35.

cover us are not defined and not inherently one thing or another,

:23:36.:23:40.

they are created by us. It is a fact that every European Union treaty

:23:41.:23:43.

there has been has been a reflection of the political balance of power in

:23:44.:23:49.

the continent at that time. In the 1980s, we made great advances with

:23:50.:23:54.

workers' rights because the social Democratic and left parties were in

:23:55.:23:58.

the ascendancy. Much to the showground of Margaret Thatcher at

:23:59.:24:03.

the time. In recent years, that has not been the case. -- much to the

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chagrin of Thatcher. The left is not in the ascendancy in Europe and what

:24:11.:24:14.

we need to do is those who believe in a progressive Europe is to link

:24:15.:24:18.

up with other forces across the continent, as the Shadow Chancellor

:24:19.:24:21.

said earlier, and explain that a different form of Europe is

:24:22.:24:26.

possible. I believe we can. Finally, to talk of the question of migration

:24:27.:24:29.

and public services. I have been an MP for over a year and in that time

:24:30.:24:34.

have tried to help over 1200 individual people. Most of them have

:24:35.:24:40.

problems with public services and want to get up the housing ladder

:24:41.:24:44.

and want benefits reinstated, or are worried about the health system. I

:24:45.:24:48.

can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people amongst that

:24:49.:24:52.

1200 who are citizens of other European countries. That is because

:24:53.:24:56.

most of them are young working couples who are working hard to

:24:57.:24:59.

build up their families and to build a better future for themselves and

:25:00.:25:05.

who, by the way, in doing so, making Edinburgh one of the most vibrant

:25:06.:25:08.

European capitals there is. These are people who, by any measure...

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Sorry I will give way. Sorry to give wagering and

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impassioned speech. Do you think it is regrettable that there is too

:25:20.:25:23.

much of a debate on immigration and too many people on both sides of the

:25:24.:25:26.

house have concentrated on the negative side of immigration?

:25:27.:25:32.

They're talking much more forcefully about the massive benefits that

:25:33.:25:37.

immigration can bring -- they should be talking about.

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I agree and, in my experience, people in Edinburgh East, who are

:25:44.:25:50.

migrants, many of whom are here to Brierley -- temporarily, they put

:25:51.:25:53.

less of a string per capita on public services than the population

:25:54.:25:58.

on average. -- a strain. The way to tackle this is to fund our public

:25:59.:26:03.

services based on population. This is so, if migrants go to a

:26:04.:26:07.

particular area, more money goes to public services in that area, and

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that is the fairest way to do it. I resent the way some people have

:26:11.:26:15.

tried to turn this into a referendum on immigration. That is what it has

:26:16.:26:19.

become in some places, and I find that not only distasteful but

:26:20.:26:22.

disreputable. I say to the people who may be seduced by those

:26:23.:26:28.

arguments, when you see ruthless, right wing employers, who would if

:26:29.:26:30.

they could pay their workers nothing, complain about low pay, do

:26:31.:26:37.

not believe them. When you see right wing politicians waxing lyrical

:26:38.:26:40.

about an NHS they have made their career trying to underfund and

:26:41.:26:44.

destroy, do not believe them. Do not be seduced by those right-wing

:26:45.:26:52.

reactionary rhetoric people, and vote Remain.

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is an honour to speak in this debate

:26:56.:26:59.

after so many powerful and lucid speeches. I am unashamedly speaking

:27:00.:27:09.

in favour of Remain, but next week, my constituents have a vote the same

:27:10.:27:13.

number as I do. My job as the rapper sensitive is to try and represent

:27:14.:27:17.

what I see -- my job as representative. I represent their

:27:18.:27:25.

best interest for my constituency and the country. At I follow my

:27:26.:27:33.

honourable friend, both of them for Portsmouth South and North Devon,

:27:34.:27:38.

talking about the importance of prosperity and cooperation, and the

:27:39.:27:42.

United Kingdom's place in the world as a force for good. Let me start

:27:43.:27:47.

with stability and prosperity. It is clear, and this is acknowledged by

:27:48.:27:52.

those who speak for Leave, that there will be at least a short-term

:27:53.:27:55.

impact on the United Kingdom economy. The honourable member for

:27:56.:28:02.

Uxbridge has said as such and talks about the dip that would happen.

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This is not just a piece of graphics but a direct impact on people's

:28:09.:28:12.

pockets and direct impact on Treasury revenue. As for the medium

:28:13.:28:18.

term, there is more debate. Clearly, a vast majority of economists have

:28:19.:28:22.

said that, in the medium and long-term, being a part of the

:28:23.:28:25.

European Union would be better for our economy. I accept that there are

:28:26.:28:29.

a wide range of views on this, and how much... As to how much it would

:28:30.:28:33.

cost and what we would gain or not gain, it is more difficult to say.

:28:34.:28:38.

There is one thing that I think is absolutely clear. Those who claim

:28:39.:28:42.

that outside the European Union we will thrive anyway we do not inside,

:28:43.:28:51.

or profoundly mistaken. There are two areas in which we, economically,

:28:52.:28:56.

suffered the most. The first is the failure of us to export enough,

:28:57.:29:00.

something we have spoken about time and time again, the second is our

:29:01.:29:05.

productivity. Neither of these are to do with our membership of the EU.

:29:06.:29:08.

They are everything to do with ourselves. Germany and France have

:29:09.:29:13.

productivity considerably higher than our own country, as does the

:29:14.:29:18.

United States. Germany is quite capable of exporting three or four

:29:19.:29:21.

times as much to China as we are, from within the EU. I fully agree

:29:22.:29:27.

that there are aspects of regulation and so on that we might do better on

:29:28.:29:31.

if we controlled entirely ourselves, but these are minor pinpricks

:29:32.:29:36.

compared with what is on our shoulders, which is to improve our

:29:37.:29:41.

productivity and improve our export. We can do that whether we are inside

:29:42.:29:45.

or outside the European Union. Coming out of the EU is absolutely

:29:46.:29:53.

no panacea. Where we will suffer is inward investment, and that is

:29:54.:29:56.

clear. I have spoken to in word investors in my constituency, on

:29:57.:30:02.

whom thousands of jobs depend, and they say it is very important for us

:30:03.:30:09.

to be in. As the Foreign Secretary said earlier, with our current

:30:10.:30:12.

account deficit as it is, a reduction in foreign investment

:30:13.:30:19.

would be dangerous. Indeed, the one thing I have not had his investors

:30:20.:30:23.

coming to me and saying, I've been waiting for you to Leave the EU so I

:30:24.:30:27.

can invest in Stafford. That has never happened. I would like now to

:30:28.:30:34.

turn to cooperation and Britain's place in the world. I am ashamed

:30:35.:30:40.

about the need to work together. There are many challenges in this

:30:41.:30:44.

world, and putting ourselves on the outside is not the way forward. Do

:30:45.:30:49.

not underestimate the importance of good relations with our neighbours.

:30:50.:30:53.

Even if that comes to difficult meetings week in, week out, month

:30:54.:30:58.

in, month out, through the European Union. The other bodies... We are

:30:59.:31:04.

part of the United Nations but they are no substitute for this. They are

:31:05.:31:09.

involved in free quickly and much bigger bodies. Who wants us out? Are

:31:10.:31:14.

best friends, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada?

:31:15.:31:18.

Those with and we have the strongest personal and political ties?

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Absolutely not. Of course. A very good speech and it plays into

:31:25.:31:27.

some sort of independence from the EU... It strikes me that the

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misunderstandings about some of this referendum is that Europe is not a

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country. It is an intergovernmental organisation and that fundamental

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point is misunderstood in this debate when people understand they

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are leaving a country. They are not. They are leaving a global body. That

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is the mistake coming from the Brexiters.

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The honourable gentleman is right. It is proud sovereign, countries

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that take their sovereignty seriously. They did not throw off

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their sovereignty to get sovereignty from Brussels. When it comes to

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stability, prosperity and corporation with others, and when it

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comes to United Kingdom's place in the world, I believe we are better

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in and so I will be voting to Remain.

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Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure to follow the

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honourable member for Stafford. To return to the topic on my maiden

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speech barely a year ago, as this country prepares to take undoubtedly

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the biggest decision of our lifetime, to determine the direction

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and destiny of our nation over the course of not just the coming days,

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weeks, months, years, but over the course of the century. Global power

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is shifting from the Western economies and dominated the 20th

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century to the emerging giants of the 21st. Powers pivot away from

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nation states towards global corporations. In that context, the

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only question which should be on people's minds as they cast their

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vote next week is which is the choice that is going to deliver

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prosperity, security and opportunity in a rapidly changing and globalised

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world? Globalisation is a fact. It is a process, unstoppable. It brings

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many possibilities and opportunities for our constituents and our

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country. It also rings challenges. The question for any Government,

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whether ours or a Government around the world is how do you shave

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globalisation to serve the best interests of your people? How do you

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mitigate against its challenges and how do you make the most of the

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possibilities? How on earth is the right answer to that question to

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say, stop the world, I want to get off. --? How is it that over the

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course of this debate, on the economy, there has been no debate

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over the best route? Trying to get consensus amongst economists is like

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trying to get consensus amongst Labour and Conservative MPs in their

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respective parties. Virtually impossible and yet it has been

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achieved because the overwhelming consensus of our nation's leading

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economists is our country would be more prosperous inside the EU than

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outside. We have the trade union Congress and trade union leaders

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arguing it would be in the best interest of working people and

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workers' rights. We have small and large businesses saying they could

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make the most of the opportunities available to their businesses by the

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members of the European Union. And, as well evidenced claims have been

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made about the impact on jobs and investment and opportunities for our

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workforce, what has been the response of the Leave campaign?

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When he was asked about the impact of a falling sterling, so what? I'm

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looking at the financial stability of my family. For the massed -- for

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the vast majority on low incomes, when jobs are lost, it will be their

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opportunities that will be hit. Wasn't it striking that this

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afternoon the tempting -- the Leave seem to have left. The Right

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honourable member for Surrey Heath proclaimed to be the saviour of the

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NHS. ?350 million per week will be saved at were we to leave. Not true.

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When he pointed out how preposterous it was to believe that the

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honourable member for Oxbridge AmSouth Ruislip and the honourable

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member for Surrey Heath and their friends have the best interests of

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the NHS that heart. Even conservatives say you cannot trust

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the right wing of the Conservative Party. Why should we believe them

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now? On economic forecast, there can be no certainty, only analysis and

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assumption and whichever figures you want to pick, you should trust the

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judgment of every leading economic voice, every university leader,

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leaders of our trained union -- trade union movement, coming

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together and uniting because they believe it to be in our national

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interests. Does he also think you should trust the voice of the

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people? I absolutely do and I've voted to give the people a choice

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and I will abide by their decision when they make it next week. I say

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to my constituents directly. They have an enormous responsibility

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resting on their shoulders. I said I would always put their interests

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first and they may not always agree with me but they will always know

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where I stand. Every day on every vote, the only question in my mind

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is what is best for my constituency and what is best for my country. My

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my constituents face that choice. On a more important vote than any of us

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will cast during the course of this session. Where does our country's

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future lie? Leading Europe or leaving Europe? As far as I am

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concerned there is only one answer to that question. If you want a

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future for our country that divides natural security and an ability to

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take on the big issues and the global challenges facing us, that is

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why I urge my constituents to make the progressive but pragmatic choice

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to remain in the European Union. We are getting tight on Tyneside

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members don't take so many interventions, there will be no need

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to lower the limit. If we continue to take interventions, it will be.

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For now, it is fine as long as people keep a minimum of

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interventions. I am pleased to follow the impassioned words of my

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honourable member from Ilford North. I would like to start my speech in a

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historic debate by asking a question. Have we been prosperous

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for the last 40 years? Yes, we have. We have become the fifth greatest

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economy in the world. Whilst being part of the union and not in spite

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of it. We have grown 65%. The EU is by no means perfect. There's not

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much don't like that there is an omen of well-meaning reason to

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remain in it and talking to businesses, this is the overwhelming

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consensus. I will go through a few companies who also we are better off

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in. A company in world didn't -- a company in Wellington that

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soundproof scars. He has categorically stressed that the car

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industry operates totally EU wide and it is a ?15 billion trade in

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these to remain in the EU. One X high pressure water pumps and this

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is a very rural area but they export out across the EU and go with

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delegations to get contracts in other parts of the world and they

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could not do this alone so they need to be in Europe and they are

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critical for rural jobs in my constituency. We must not put them

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in jeopardy. Now I come to the Ministry of cake. This is a ?30

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million business employing 300 people and they are the largest

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desert makers in the EU as well. You have probably eaten some of their

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cakes as they supply coffee chains from here right across the EU and

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managing director says his best UK seller is chocolate fudge cake. The

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market is saturated in the UK and he needs to get 25% of his trade from

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the EU. He needs to stay there. It is the best place to get the trade

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from. We share standards, clear labelling and we have a free market

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and he has access to all that Labour. He couldn't operate without

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the migrant workforce in Taunton. Nor could another great business in

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my constituency. The vegetable packers. He employs 70 workers in

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the winter who are migrants and more in the summer. They are the largest

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suppliers of Swede in this country but the second largest suppliers to

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Germany. They need to stay in. We have 300 Meech -- we have 300

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million people and we have a veto on laws. What more could you want? I'm

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going to finish on agriculture and the environment. These areas are

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very important in my constituency. They EAP is vital to our

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agricultural industry. The funding that it gets to keep the environment

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in good shape, that is ?20 billion and it is priceless. It not only

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keeps the rural economy going but it keeps people on the land and gives

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us low-priced food. The price of food it will rise. Our farmers need

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to stay in. On the environment, the birds don't stop at the boundaries.

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We are much better off for the environment within the EU and it was

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the framework of EU legislation that made us clean up our beaches and

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water. Our beaches are vital for our tourist industry in the south-west.

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There is a spin off with the environmental and the economy. The

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economic benefits are clear, as the environmental benefits and mail

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linked to the economy. Let us be at the table fighting to improve it,

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especially with our presidency and let us make sure there's some of

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that chocolate fudge cake at the EU table. It is easy to support this

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motion in behalf of North Tyneside and I hope the wider community of

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the north-east. Our region has received billions of pounds in

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investment from Europe as my honourable friend from Sedgefield

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said earlier. Our region is entitled to more European funds than any

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other English region and in the next five years, is due to receive seven

:44:22.:44:28.

and ?26 million in European funding. The single market has been

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significant business development in the north-east with over half of our

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exports going to the EQ and 160,000 jobs relying directly on that trade.

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It is no wonder that in the recent survey, the Chamber of commerce

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found out the majority of the region's businesses wish to remain

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in EU. The same survey did highlight the frustration of businesses

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dealing with EU regulations but the conclusion was that the single

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market remains the region's most important market and will continue

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to do so well into the future. The benefit to the north-east is further

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illustrated by a study done by the Newcastle Chronicle that found the

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north-east had received an average of ?187 per head in EU funding since

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2007 compared with ?82 and the rest of the UK. The level of funding from

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the EU to our region stands in stark contrast to how we fare when it

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comes to receiving funding from this UK Government. I must remind the

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House it was a Tory Government that fought the closure of the shipyard

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in Wallsend in the mid-80s with devastating consequences for

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Tyneside. Thanks to money from the EU, the yard is undergoing a massive

:45:55.:46:00.

transformation. North Tyneside Council was awarded 6.7 million to

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part fund enabling infrastructure works at the former shipyard which

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has opened up the site for development on a strategically

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important enterprise zone site. Between 2007 and 2013 and of the

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European structural fund programme, North Tyneside Council was

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accountable for nearly ?30 million in our region. This money, part

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funded the refurbishment of a new scent of innovation on our

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enterprise zone site creating flexible start-up and business

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incubation space for medium and small businesses. 1.8 million of

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funding was used towards funding business support to enable start-up

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support in our disadvantaged areas resulting in a rate of 400 start-ups

:46:55.:46:58.

per year. The council is already undertaking work to maximise

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European structural and investment funds from the current programme to

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meet the EU 2020 strategy ambitions of achieving smart, sustainable and

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inclusive growth and the newly funding business support programme

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will bring great benefits to the local community and businesses

:47:22.:47:27.

alike. The counsellor is working with community led development to

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help the most disadvantaged communities in the top 20 in

:47:32.:47:38.

deprived areas utilising funding to achieve economic growth in their

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very own localities. I hope the north-east will not be fooled by

:47:45.:47:48.

those in the Brexit comeback claim that we will be better off leaving

:47:49.:47:53.

the EU. We know the north-east has suffered huge public spending cuts

:47:54.:47:58.

under the Tories since 2010 white across the board from the police and

:47:59.:48:03.

Fire Services to the closure of Government offices. All costing jobs

:48:04.:48:06.

and a loss of income to our local community. The truth is the future

:48:07.:48:13.

prosperity of my constituency and the north-east region is

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inextricably linked to the EU. Being unrepentantly parochial, I see that

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this is reason enough to remain in. Thank you for calling me to speak in

:48:28.:48:31.

this debate and it is a very important debate and I have listened

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with great interest to many excellent speeches I have heard.

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There is an increasingly healthy trend in this house that members on

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all sides come to this place having had a career outside of politics

:48:43.:48:47.

with life experience that they can bring to our debate and in the year

:48:48.:48:51.

that I have had the honour to represent Telford in parliaments, I

:48:52.:48:58.

have seen examples where our expertise is welcome. I am a

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chartered accountant and before coming to this place, I specialised

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in the financial sector, specifically in investment in

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financial markets. I wanted to draw on that experience and bring that to

:49:13.:49:18.

this debate. Over the months, this debate EU has been characterised by

:49:19.:49:23.

passion on both sides and it has led to increasingly impossible and

:49:24.:49:28.

projections which have seemed on occasion alarmist and fanciful. I

:49:29.:49:34.

wanted to put on record some of the more moderate and balanced

:49:35.:49:37.

perspectives of investor who value the nature of the way they earn

:49:38.:49:42.

their living generating returns for clients and understand the meeting

:49:43.:49:51.

of the word, risk. These investors are motivated to put economic

:49:52.:50:00.

consideration before any other. I'm sure they will be familiar with the

:50:01.:50:04.

outstanding reputation of Neil Woodford who is an investor in the

:50:05.:50:09.

UK business. The report published earlier this year provides balanced

:50:10.:50:15.

commentary on the economic stability.

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