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Order. We want to hear the gentleman's point of order. This is | :00:15. | :00:27. | |
relating to Parliament. If there is going to be an emergency budget. | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
Would it not have been appropriate for it to have been announced first | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
in this house and not to the media. It seems a great discourtesy. What I | :00:37. | :00:45. | |
would say is we are here in the realms of speculation. If there were | :00:46. | :00:48. | |
to be such a budget it would have to be delivered here and we would be | :00:49. | :00:54. | |
notified of that in advance. There is no such declared intention. There | :00:55. | :01:01. | |
is all sorts of briefing but there is to my knowledge no such declared | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
intention. If the Chancellor were here and wanted to comment upon the | :01:07. | :01:10. | |
matter he could do so but he isn't and therefore I fear that he won't. | :01:11. | :01:16. | |
Whether he will manifest himself during the course of today's | :01:17. | :01:20. | |
proceedings it is an important debate in the House today that | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
relates to economic matters, the honourable gentleman might choose to | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
raise it with the Chancellor. I think we will have two await | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
development of events. Point of order. Welcome to the honourable | :01:34. | :01:42. | |
lady. You seem to confirm there is no budget that you are aware of and | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
if that is the case and there is no budget it is in order for the | :01:48. | :01:51. | |
government to go around telling the press that there is a budget when | :01:52. | :01:57. | |
there isn't. I think he is being cheeky. I know of no such plan. He | :01:58. | :02:05. | |
is an assiduous constituency representative. He is a politician | :02:06. | :02:08. | |
and he knows that all sorts of things are speculated upon and the | :02:09. | :02:15. | |
subject of conversation and rumour. All I know is the business of the | :02:16. | :02:21. | |
House today. What people say outside the House is a matter for them. I | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
think if people have got important things to say on public policy, for | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
example between now and next Thursday, it would perhaps be | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
prudent and judged to be courteous to say them in the House of commons. | :02:40. | :02:48. | |
Point of order. I'm sure it was an error on behalf of the Leader of the | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
Opposition but he said there were not any votes on the terrace. Sorry, | :02:54. | :03:04. | |
on the Thames. Can I confirm that the wayward Lad was giving voice of | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
concern to some of the river authorities and they were indeed | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
saying vote Leave and some of them had spent three days coming up on | :03:14. | :03:20. | |
the Thames to wish them well. It is useful to have a bit of information | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
but what I would say to the honourable lady is I'm not | :03:25. | :03:31. | |
responsible for boats. They are not a matter for the chair. Point of | :03:32. | :03:38. | |
order. Mr Speaker, we are about to embark upon a very important debate | :03:39. | :03:46. | |
being led by the Shadow Chancellor. Order. Some members are disquieted | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
because they want to get on with the debate. I also want to get on with | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
the debate but we must hear points of order. We must hear them and we | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
will deal with the quicker if we hear them. We are about to embark on | :03:59. | :04:02. | |
a very important debate on the economic benefits of UK membership | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
of the European Union. The Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer is going | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
to be leading of that debate. Surely it is essential that the Chancellor | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
of the extra is in the House to be able to answer the points that are | :04:18. | :04:21. | |
made and to defend the ludicrous stance that he had been taking in | :04:22. | :04:26. | |
the media. Why is the Chancellor not here, what can this house do to | :04:27. | :04:32. | |
require that you Chancellor of the Exchequer to maintain the | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
conventions of this house and come to attend this debate? What I would | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
say to the honourable gentleman to those attending our proceedings is | :04:42. | :04:47. | |
that who the government feels to respond to the debate is a matter | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
for the government and the honourable gentleman will probably | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
on the whole be relieved to know that among the matters for which I | :04:56. | :05:00. | |
am responsible, I am not responsible for the Chancellor's movements. | :05:01. | :05:10. | |
today there will be people who may think it is somewhat discourteous of | :05:11. | :05:21. | |
a senior minister responsible for the policy is not present and the | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
chamber. But it is not against the rules of the house. That would be | :05:27. | :05:37. | |
courteous. It would show the degree of humility and respect, but beyond | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
that, it is a matter for the government to choose. I gather that | :05:42. | :05:50. | |
the Secretary of State for foreign and common will fears will respond | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
to the Shadow Chancellor and that is perfectly orderly. With regard to | :05:54. | :06:02. | |
the resolution of the House of Commons, it states that it is of | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
paramount importance that ministers give accurate and truthful | :06:07. | :06:12. | |
information to Parliament and correct any mistakes at the earliest | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
opportunity. With respect to what was said last week on the question, | :06:18. | :06:26. | |
as he put it, that he had secured to fatal treaty changes, they sought a | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
correction. I have had a letter from the Prime Minister today stating | :06:31. | :06:41. | |
that my letter to him is misleading. In those circumstances, would you | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
take note that I am stating that there has been a breach of the | :06:47. | :06:54. | |
resolution? They do take note of what the honourable gentleman tells | :06:55. | :06:58. | |
me. I take that very seriously. The honourable gentleman is an extremely | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
long serving and serious minded member of the house. But I have | :07:05. | :07:11. | |
already advised the honourable gentleman, to whose representation | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
of a paid close attention to, but I do not think that there's a need to | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
add anything to what has already been said on the matter. I simply | :07:20. | :07:26. | |
say to the honourable gentleman and other members, although I have | :07:27. | :07:31. | |
thoughts on these matters, I do seek ways professional counsel, which is | :07:32. | :07:40. | |
impeccably independent and going based on very great experience in | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
the service of this house. It does not automatically mean it is right, | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
but it does mean it is serious and I feel we have two just leave it | :07:50. | :07:54. | |
there. I think I have given the honourable gentleman sufficient time | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
to offer his points. If there are no further points of order, we come to | :08:02. | :08:11. | |
the motion. An amendment was tabled, but I would advise the house I have | :08:12. | :08:16. | |
not selected the amendment. To move the motion, I call the Shadow | :08:17. | :08:24. | |
Chancellor of the XJ. -- the Exchequer. | :08:25. | :08:29. | |
This will be the last chance for us to debate the European Union | :08:30. | :08:39. | |
situation before the vote last week. It has been described as the most | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
important decision of regeneration. We have to take it in the fullest, | :08:45. | :08:50. | |
considered weak. We have to acknowledge that many constituents | :08:51. | :08:57. | |
have been telling us that the debate so far has not risen to the | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
occasion. On the doorstep, they say they simply want the facts and the | :09:02. | :09:10. | |
consequences for them and the country if we remain in the European | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
Union or leave. Could I just continue. I will take interventions. | :09:15. | :09:24. | |
People simply want the factual information and many say they have | :09:25. | :09:28. | |
been turned off by the exaggerated claims on both sides of the | :09:29. | :09:38. | |
argument. Talk of a third World War on one hand and the third race on | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
the other. We do not want people ski out to the Bell box. I thank the | :09:44. | :09:53. | |
honourable gentleman for giving way. But would he agree that many people | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
have to see that the real threat to the economy is not whether we stay | :09:59. | :10:06. | |
or leave, but the disastrous tax and spend policies which is party and he | :10:07. | :10:14. | |
have advocated for years. The honourable gentleman 's | :10:15. | :10:16. | |
interventions are often entertaining. Can I return to the | :10:17. | :10:24. | |
subject? Many people have seen this going on within the Westminster | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
bubble, within the establishment. They do not feel involved. What they | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
are witnessing is maybe an unseemly battle for the future leadership of | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
the Conservative Party, rather than the future of the country. Many of | :10:42. | :10:50. | |
our own supporters are unclear about the position of our party. Let | :10:51. | :10:57. | |
people be clear, we state that the Labour Party is for Remain. Today's | :10:58. | :11:10. | |
motion spills that out. It is about jobs, investment, trade with our | :11:11. | :11:19. | |
largest market, the protection of employees rates. It is also about | :11:20. | :11:25. | |
creating a Europe which is more democratic, that delivers social | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
justice as well as prosperity, a Europe which is more stable and | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
economic elite viable. We must do nothing which jeopardises our | :11:36. | :11:40. | |
European future. I will give way. Does he share my concern that all | :11:41. | :11:48. | |
these many cases where the donated kingdom manufacturing plant shutdown | :11:49. | :11:53. | |
with a great loss of jobs, only to see new investment made in another | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
European Union country. This been done through soft loans or grants | :12:00. | :12:08. | |
from the European Union. I think, where Rita leave, it would mean we | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
would be cut off from the opportunity to even apply for these | :12:13. | :12:20. | |
diets. Can I congratulate the honourable gentleman on his 65th | :12:21. | :12:27. | |
birthday today. He is absolutely right. He is right about the | :12:28. | :12:35. | |
Westminster bubble. Over the next few days, every member of the house | :12:36. | :12:39. | |
have got to kill people in our constituencies what leaving the | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
European Union would mean for them. It would mean a catastrophic loss of | :12:45. | :12:59. | |
impact on income and productivity. There are a long -- large percentage | :13:00. | :13:04. | |
of people who have not made up their minds yet. We want to concentrate on | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
common facts, rather than on the exaggeration we have seen so far. | :13:10. | :13:16. | |
With regard to the issues we are dealing with, letters be absolutely | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
clear. This is about jobs. There are 3.5 million jobs dependent on the | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
European Union membership. These would be at risk in the event of a | :13:27. | :13:39. | |
Leave decision. European Union member countries accounted for | :13:40. | :13:48. | |
nearly half of foreign investment. This is far more than any other | :13:49. | :13:55. | |
country. Could the answer the question that the garment benchers | :13:56. | :14:02. | |
have been unable to answer. Why should we spend the ?10 million a | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
year net to the European Union in order to have a ?16 million a year | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
trade deficit with the European Union, we're enormously modicum of | :14:14. | :14:23. | |
common sense would say they have a ?60 million deficit for nothing. The | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
single market gives us the largest market that we have which enables us | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
to create long-term secure employment. Much of that comes from | :14:36. | :14:42. | |
the growing economy we have heard over the years. Members must not | :14:43. | :14:52. | |
harangue the honourable gentleman. He has been very generous in giving | :14:53. | :15:03. | |
way. I at college apologise for my mannerisms. Could I put to the | :15:04. | :15:08. | |
Shadow Chancellor, there are two countries Holland and Germany who | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
have a trade surplus with the United Kingdom, the other 26 of the | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
deficit. In the event of as opting to Leave, we would be turning our | :15:21. | :15:28. | |
back on 44% of retreat and tariffs would be imposed on us. The Prime | :15:29. | :15:36. | |
Minister has said it would take seven years or more for us to | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
negotiate new trade deals. That could even be optimistic. | :15:41. | :15:54. | |
I totally agree with them that we have two steer clear of making this | :15:55. | :16:06. | |
Project Fear. But I have to say that this budget which was proposed this | :16:07. | :16:14. | |
morning is exactly that. We are an anti-austerity party and we have | :16:15. | :16:19. | |
voted consistently against that. With regard to the Chancellor 's | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
emergency budget, we have a 6-point plan from the Leave campaign, which | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
is not so much a plan, but more of a coup to take over the government. | :16:33. | :16:41. | |
With this not lead to the replacement of the right wing | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
government with an even more right-wing government. I will come | :16:46. | :16:54. | |
back to the honourable gentleman if I can make some headway. With | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
regards to trade, the European Union is Britain's largest export market | :17:01. | :17:06. | |
by a long way. Nearly half of our export goes to the European Union. | :17:07. | :17:09. | |
That is more than double what goes to the United States or anywhere | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
else. This gives an idea of the scale and impact of the European | :17:17. | :17:25. | |
Union on our economy. We believe that the notion that leaving the | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
European Union would have no impact on jobs or trade is fanciful. Single | :17:32. | :17:39. | |
market membership would have to be renegotiated and that would have to | :17:40. | :17:45. | |
take at least two years. It would also undermine the very critical | :17:46. | :17:50. | |
factors that investors and decision makers require when the invest for | :17:51. | :17:54. | |
the long-term. Security and stability would be threatened. This | :17:55. | :18:00. | |
morning, we saw the latest example of doubt been raised about the | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
long-term investment plans if Leave we are successful. | :18:08. | :18:18. | |
In my constituency, there are two things people are talking about. One | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
is the economy and the other is immigration. Leaving Europe, there | :18:24. | :18:30. | |
is only one thing which would be affected by that, of which would be | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
the economy. It would not affect immigration. The evidence is quite | :18:35. | :18:42. | |
clear that the impact on the economy would set us back years. It would | :18:43. | :18:47. | |
undermine the future of our families and communities. In response to the | :18:48. | :18:58. | |
honourable member referring to a trade deficit, with the Shadow | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
Chancellor comment on the deficits we have with the other member states | :19:05. | :19:13. | |
is no ?67.8 billion. Or trade surplus with the rest of the world | :19:14. | :19:20. | |
is 31 billion, up by ?7 billion in the same year. Germany has a trade | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
surplus with the rest of the European Union. It is 81.8 billion. | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
What sort of single market is that for us? | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
Is the honourable gentleman coming forward with proposals that he would | :19:39. | :19:47. | |
propose tariffs with regard to the rest of Europe and therefore | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
undermine the free trade? If that is the case that is a convergent to the | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
planned economy, which I am a maze that. Can I move on. There are a | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
large number of speakers and I need to move on. We have also seen | :20:00. | :20:08. | |
competitors across Europe, considering relocation if the | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
decision goes to Brexit. The Labour Party places importance on | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
employment rights in this debate because it is those rights that | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
enable ordinary workers to secure the benefits of the jobs, investment | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
and trade that membership of the single market brings. Over the last | :20:27. | :20:31. | |
40 years as trade unionists we have been promiscuous in where we have | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
gone to secure these rights. When trade union rights were under attack | :20:36. | :20:43. | |
in the last few decades we went to the EU. Paternity rights, the rights | :20:44. | :20:49. | |
of parental leave, protection, the maximum working week, this hasn't | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
just been to protect British workers but a race to prevent the bottom of | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
Europe. All of our workers are protected wherever they work. | :21:00. | :21:07. | |
Withdrawal will put jobs and investment at risk. I recently spoke | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
in the Queens speech debate calling for an industrial strategy is in | :21:14. | :21:21. | |
order to get long-term assurances for success. A vote to Leave, | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
irrespective of whether he agrees with an industrial strategy, would | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
create unwelcome uncertainty at a time when our vital manufacturing | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
sector needs stability? There is a desperate need for long-term, | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
patient investment in our manufacturing base to develop an | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
industrial strategy. The threat of Brexit is undermining those making | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
the decisions about that long-term, patient investment that we need and | :21:50. | :21:56. | |
I think it would be a disaster. There is no better time for the | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
Labour's movement to be considering employment rights in a manner that | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
my right honourable friend has now developed. There is a pit site that | :22:08. | :22:17. | |
is now owned by Mike Ashley. He employs only 200 full-time employees | :22:18. | :22:27. | |
and 3000 people, mainly eastern Europeans, who are on zero our | :22:28. | :22:32. | |
contracts and where a lady went to the toilet to give birth to a Child | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
on New Year 's day. This is horrific. There is no better time | :22:39. | :22:45. | |
for us to say, that at that pit site where after the war East Europeans | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
got the same money as me, working down the coral minds, they were | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
members of the union, we have to get rid of this idea that people can be | :22:56. | :23:01. | |
brought here on zero our contracts. Let's state loud and clear today | :23:02. | :23:07. | |
that we are going to get rid of this Mike Ashley and thousands of others | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
around Britain and we will set fire to this campaign. I wholeheartedly | :23:13. | :23:21. | |
concur with not only the criticisms that have been levied by the | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
honourable member but also his solutions, which are based upon | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
employment rights which have been undermined consistently in recent | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
decades in this country. Let me say again, there is a concern that | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
withdrawal will put jobs, investment, and employment, and | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
trade at risk. The outcome of this leap in the dark has united that | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
Chile every economist and economic institution of any standing, the | :23:48. | :23:54. | |
IMF, the Bank of England, the Institute for Fiscal Studies. We | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
witnessed in the last 72 hours the reaction of the world markets that | :23:59. | :24:06. | |
just sifts in the polls -- shifts in the polls, will affect the value of | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
the pound. The value of the pound has dropped. The Brexit campaign has | :24:10. | :24:18. | |
done so much damage in the last few days. This comes at a time when our | :24:19. | :24:26. | |
economy is extremely fragile. Six years of unnecessary austerities, | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
the chaotic failure of various fiscal rules adopted by this | :24:32. | :24:34. | |
government and our record current account deficit have made our | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
economy extremely vulnerable to even a minor shock. As the markets have | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
just demonstrated, leaving BT you would be interpreted as not just a | :24:45. | :24:53. | |
minor shock. Let's meet turn to this issue. -- leaving the key you would | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
be interpreted as not just a minor shock. Can I make a peel, please | :24:59. | :25:06. | |
don't go near immigration. You have no credibility. Raising immigration | :25:07. | :25:16. | |
is only helping the Leave case. I am not being bullied by anybody. The | :25:17. | :25:24. | |
speaker is keeping out of it. I am seeking to facilitate fair play. I | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
remind the honourable gentleman of correct parliamentary language. Can | :25:31. | :25:34. | |
I ask him with the greatest respect to listen to the speech first double | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
before we comes to a judgment on matter. The economic arguments for | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
remaining are overpowering but the feedback from the doorstep confirms | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
that immigration is a motivating factor. For some people different | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
parts of the country. If he doesn't mind, I will press on. Let me deal | :25:53. | :25:56. | |
with some of the economic arguments around migration. I don't come to | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
this debate about immigration objectively. I am the grandson of an | :26:04. | :26:14. | |
eye -- Irish migrant. They staffed the factories while many Irish women | :26:15. | :26:22. | |
worthy nurses and the back bone of the NHS. They all contribute as all | :26:23. | :26:26. | |
migrants do to making this economy the fifth largest in the world. That | :26:27. | :26:33. | |
is what migrants overwhelmingly do. In the last decade migrants | :26:34. | :26:36. | |
contributed 20 billion in taxes than they did in public services. With | :26:37. | :26:45. | |
labour shortages in key sectors like structure and it is my -- it is | :26:46. | :26:55. | |
migrant labour that contributes. A lack of skilled workers is already | :26:56. | :26:58. | |
hurting the delivery of infrastructure projects. There are | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
genuine concerns and let us admit it. There have been genuine concerns | :27:03. | :27:07. | |
expressed at the impact of migration on wages and employment. These | :27:08. | :27:15. | |
concerns shouldn't be dismissed. Research presented by Oxford | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
University migrant observatory has demonstrated that migration has not | :27:20. | :27:23. | |
had the impact of reducing rages, except in a small proportion of the | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
workforce, those on the lowest pay scale. This has to be addressed. | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
That is why Labour is calling for greater protection for this group of | :27:33. | :27:35. | |
workers. Reforms are needed with regard to the free movement of | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
people to introduce greater protection and employment rights and | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
yes to halt the undercutting of wages and employment conditions. In | :27:47. | :27:49. | |
government we will be negotiated to give effect to these changes. Other | :27:50. | :27:56. | |
concerns have been expressed at the pressure, placed upon public | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
services and other concerns have been expressed at the pressure | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
placed upon our public services by migration. The reality is that our | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
public services struggled to cope with existing demand because of the | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
austerities measures, the cuts, the chronic underfunding forced through | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
by this government over the last six years. But there is an argument that | :28:19. | :28:23. | |
pressures on public services increase in an area, there must be | :28:24. | :28:27. | |
funding made available to respond to this increase in demand. That is why | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
Labour has argued for a special migration fund to assist those | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
communities where demand increases. That is why we condemn the abolition | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
of the fund that was set up by Gordon Brown and we welcome the | :28:41. | :28:44. | |
Prime Minister's statement today that he is exploring the | :28:45. | :28:47. | |
establishment of a fund of that sort. I say also that we want to see | :28:48. | :28:53. | |
further European funding to support this initiative and that will be on | :28:54. | :29:02. | |
our agenda. Does he agree that being an EU citizen in the United Kingdom | :29:03. | :29:05. | |
might be uncomfortable, particularly around some of the language and the | :29:06. | :29:10. | |
tone of some of the leaders of the Brexit campaign, Nigel Farage. | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
Putting the 50,000 cap that Nigel Farage wants to see, we would see an | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
exodus of people out of our care homes and hospitals and out of our | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
schools, which would have a real impact on delivering public | :29:26. | :29:29. | |
services. If it's not the case that we are an open and tolerant United | :29:30. | :29:34. | |
Kingdom? I find some of the statements that have been made | :29:35. | :29:37. | |
reprehensible and irresponsible because they do not weigh up the | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
impact of those policies that have been advocated. Across our public | :29:43. | :29:48. | |
services and our economy as well. Thank you for that. I am listening | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
to the debate and contributions from across the floor and I am staggered | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
at the people who come here to make a new life for themselves, with | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
their families, to make a contribution to the family, are the | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
scapegoats for austerity measures from people on that side. I think | :30:05. | :30:09. | |
nothing more needs to be said than that eloquent statement. Can I say | :30:10. | :30:15. | |
migration cuts both ways. British people have been among the main | :30:16. | :30:18. | |
beneficiaries of the free movement of labour and people across Europe. | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
1.2 million EU citizens live permanently in another EU country. I | :30:24. | :30:32. | |
remember the generation when British workers secured jobs across Europe | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
when our own economy was in recession. When the Eurozone is | :30:36. | :30:43. | |
coming out of recession it will provide once again opportunities | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
that our own people want to take advantage of. Young people | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
especially are now studying, working and settling in large numbers across | :30:51. | :30:55. | |
Europe. The number of UK students studying in Europe has risen a in | :30:56. | :31:05. | |
less than a decade. As the honorary president of labour International, | :31:06. | :31:08. | |
can I remind him that overseas voters who have lived abroad up to | :31:09. | :31:14. | |
15 years, if they wish to get a proxy vote in this referendum, they | :31:15. | :31:23. | |
need to apply by 5pm today. Could I suggest all those in the social | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
media apply to it straightaway. Can I look to the future? Thank you for | :31:30. | :31:40. | |
giving way. I would echo the number of EU migrants that work in the NHS, | :31:41. | :31:47. | |
including my husband who has worked here for 30 years, paid taxes here | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
for 30 years and is excluded from the vote. I dig we should also | :31:52. | :31:55. | |
remember the people we do export to Europe are predominantly people who | :31:56. | :32:01. | |
have retired to Europe. We import young working people and we export | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
retired people and we should remember that balance. It's an | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
interesting point that has been made about an ageing population, just how | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
much we need youth coming into this company to balance the population | :32:16. | :32:24. | |
growth. If I can move... Last one. Thank you for giving way. I think we | :32:25. | :32:30. | |
need to point out that one in five of the social care workforce in this | :32:31. | :32:35. | |
country, 230,000 people were not born here. Greater London is reliant | :32:36. | :32:40. | |
on this care. 60% of adult social care workers were born abroad. Much | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
of that sector would collapse. Noted that restricting this, have to think | :32:46. | :32:52. | |
about our care sector. Our care sector would collapse without | :32:53. | :32:55. | |
migrant labour and that is a danger. Much of the EU debate so far has | :32:56. | :33:00. | |
dwelt on the past and the immediate present but at a country we need to | :33:01. | :33:04. | |
look to the future. Many the issues we face are transnational. The | :33:05. | :33:08. | |
refugee crisis, climate change, they aren't cross country, they cross | :33:09. | :33:16. | |
country boundaries and the EU provides us with the cooperation | :33:17. | :33:19. | |
with our European neighbours to tackle these issues. We have to | :33:20. | :33:22. | |
recognise that people care about what they see as a loss of | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
sovereignty. A strong reform agenda is needed so that there is a | :33:27. | :33:33. | |
democratic accountability. That means making decisions in the EU | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
that are completely open and transparent. Ensuring that the | :33:38. | :33:41. | |
commission is democratically accountable. It starts within the UK | :33:42. | :33:47. | |
by ensuring that we have more open and effective mechanisms for holding | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
to account those ministers and others that represent us in the EU | :33:50. | :33:56. | |
decision-making process. Britain takes the EU presidency shortly. | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
That will enable us to lead the drive for reform. For the first time | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
in a generation there are movements across Europe mobilising agenda of | :34:05. | :34:11. | |
reform that we can share. There is a prospect of European coalition | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
progress appearing. To end austerity, secure employment growth, | :34:17. | :34:22. | |
tackle tax evasion and avoidance, tackle climate change and deal with | :34:23. | :34:28. | |
the tragic migrant crisis. The overall debate on the EU, I think I | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
am aware the great many British people are when it comes to making a | :34:34. | :34:37. | |
decision next week. I didn't vote to go to the Commonwealth and I have | :34:38. | :34:41. | |
been generally Eurosceptic and critical of the bureaucracy of the | :34:42. | :34:48. | |
EU. I am not a Europhobic. People like me are carefully balancing the | :34:49. | :34:53. | |
prospects of my family and my country. I think that like me many | :34:54. | :34:57. | |
will take a pragmatic view that a leap in the dark of leaving Europe | :34:58. | :35:05. | |
is a risk too far. For Labour supporters there is the added | :35:06. | :35:09. | |
concern that needs to be taken into account. This would be a Tory | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
Brexit. On June the 24th is Brexit goes through, it would be a Tory | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
government that will be implementing withdrawal. | :35:22. | :35:30. | |
It is likely, given the political fallout that there will be a | :35:31. | :35:36. | |
Conservative government much further to the rate than this one. And, to | :35:37. | :35:49. | |
be frank, Ukip yapping at its heels. I would ask members of the Labour | :35:50. | :35:57. | |
Party, would they honestly trust the honourable members on the benches | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
opposite on employment rates and it closes the door on a European future | :36:05. | :36:10. | |
that we have the opportunity to decisively shaped in the next few | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
years. I urge the house to support this motion. Whatever the result, | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
the decision will be respected. The Labour Party will listen to the | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
people and respond to the concerns. We will seek to bind our country | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
together and not let the extremists divide does. I call the Foreign | :36:34. | :36:52. | |
Secretary. Thank you Mr Speaker. As we approach the final stage of this | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
campaign, I have to say it sometimes feels that we have lost sight of the | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
key question that people are meant to be answering a week tomorrow. The | :37:03. | :37:08. | |
question is not to be like the European Union, do we agree with | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
everything it does. It is not about sending a message to the European | :37:13. | :37:21. | |
Union. It is not to say, is the European Union perfect. It is not. I | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
would be the first to say that. It is a clear question. Are we safer | :37:27. | :37:35. | |
and stronger and better off inside a reformed European Union or outside? | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
As Foreign Secretary, I know as well as anyone about the frustrations of | :37:42. | :37:47. | |
decision-making by a committee of 28 and the compromises that entails. | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
But I also know we are winning the arguments in Europe and are | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
increasingly influential in shaping its future. They know as well that | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
we have greater global influence as a result of being a leading member | :38:02. | :38:07. | |
of the world's largest trading organisation. Is the European Union | :38:08. | :38:20. | |
perfect or imperfect? There are definitely people in Scotland to | :38:21. | :38:28. | |
believe the government is imperfect. Can we stop saying that the European | :38:29. | :38:36. | |
Union is uniquely imperfect? The European Union as a club for | :38:37. | :38:44. | |
independent countries. . I am grateful to the honourable | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
gentleman. It is an imperfect institution amongst many, including | :38:51. | :38:57. | |
our own government, I am absolutely certain. I believe it is safer to | :38:58. | :39:03. | |
work with other European Union countries to tackle terrorism and | :39:04. | :39:07. | |
organised crime. We benefit from being part of a market of over 500 | :39:08. | :39:14. | |
million members, with the combined weight of over one quarter of the | :39:15. | :39:21. | |
world's gross domestic product. We said back in six years ago, that our | :39:22. | :39:29. | |
economic security and our national security are two sides of the same | :39:30. | :39:35. | |
coin. Without economic security, there is no national security. How | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
could we be safer if we could not invest in our security and defence? | :39:41. | :39:46. | |
How could we be stronger and more influential if our economy was | :39:47. | :39:55. | |
shrinking? I will give way. How can he say we are better off, with you | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
take the example of the fishing industry. The common fisheries | :40:01. | :40:08. | |
policy has driven us to have two import from other countries. I take | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
a holistic view, taking into view of the United Kingdom as a whole. I | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
taken all the pluses and ministers. There are negatives as well as | :40:21. | :40:26. | |
positives. These arguments as to the net benefit to this country. There | :40:27. | :40:38. | |
can be no economic security without national security. Can the Foreign | :40:39. | :40:52. | |
Secretary till the house how many of our Commonwealth leaders want us to | :40:53. | :41:00. | |
leave the European Union? The answer is zero. I have not found any | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
foreign leader at all urging Britain to leave the European Union. None at | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
all seeing we would be more influential or more valuable as a | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
partner if we left the European Union. I need to make some progress. | :41:15. | :41:24. | |
The honourable member for keys and Harlington has already set out some | :41:25. | :41:31. | |
of the economic benefits. I welcome his candid assessment of the | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
achievements in the past four decades. He spoke about the | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
protection of workers rates. I agree. The likes of maternity and | :41:43. | :41:52. | |
paternity leave. It was a Conservative government which | :41:53. | :41:56. | |
abolished the job tax and took 3 million of the lowest paid out of | :41:57. | :42:06. | |
the income tax system. We are also instigating the national minimum | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
wage. It is worth reminding, as well, because the Labour Party can | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
sometimes forget this, that the most fundamental right for any worker is | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
the right to have a job and DP packet at the end of the month. 2.5 | :42:24. | :42:31. | |
million people enjoy that more now than they did under the Labour | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
government. That is the result of conservative fiscal management. A | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
recognisable of employment goal by the Conservative government. He | :42:42. | :42:52. | |
referred to the net benefit of the United Kingdom being in the single | :42:53. | :42:59. | |
market. Can he say that this is actually a trade deficit according | :43:00. | :43:03. | |
to the House of Commons library. The other 27 member states are no less | :43:04. | :43:11. | |
than 67.8 billion of goods and services, which is up 10 billion | :43:12. | :43:15. | |
from the previous year and escalating. How is that a net | :43:16. | :43:23. | |
benefit. I will come to this. My honourable friend to Wales on the | :43:24. | :43:28. | |
trade statistics alone. I would suggest that the leader issues about | :43:29. | :43:37. | |
the overall impact on our economy. There are questions about the | :43:38. | :43:45. | |
growth, dynamism and other benefits that being part of this union, with | :43:46. | :43:58. | |
500 million consumers assists us. Since he has seen fit to criticise | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
my government 's record when they were in power. The cuts put onto the | :44:04. | :44:14. | |
lowest paid in the country has made them feel that there is nothing to | :44:15. | :44:19. | |
lose ready to leave the European Union. Does he agree that if we vote | :44:20. | :44:29. | |
to Remain, we need to see real action from his party. We can only | :44:30. | :44:37. | |
do the idea of having a robust economy which is soundly based. I | :44:38. | :44:42. | |
think we will effectively do that the eye being part of the European | :44:43. | :44:47. | |
Union. Our membership gives us the freedom to trade in the world's | :44:48. | :44:53. | |
largest single market. 500 million consumers. It allows us to do it | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
without tariffs or the bureaucracy of customs barriers. The benefits of | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
being in the single market are clear for us to see. 44% of our exports go | :45:05. | :45:11. | |
to the European Union. Much of that would be lost if we put up the | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
shutters and renounced our European Union membership? Many businesses | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
and employees would go to the wall? How long would it take to | :45:23. | :45:29. | |
renegotiate a new trade agreement with our European neighbours? What | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
would the Thames B? Not half as favourable as they are at moment. -- | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
Thames B. With regard to the team it would | :45:38. | :45:51. | |
take to renegotiate a new trade deal, but what assessment has has | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
department made about the length of time it would take the British | :45:56. | :46:00. | |
government to renegotiate all of these deals so we could trade with | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
the rest of the world? The honourable gentleman raises a good | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
point. The Prime Minister talked about this very issue. We believe it | :46:11. | :46:18. | |
would take at least two years to negotiate our exit from the European | :46:19. | :46:25. | |
Union. Thereafter, we must negotiate a trade deal with the European union | :46:26. | :46:31. | |
and with the other 53 countries around the world with which the | :46:32. | :46:36. | |
European Union currently has trade agreements with. We do not actually | :46:37. | :46:43. | |
have any trade negotiators. For the last 40 years, the European Union | :46:44. | :46:48. | |
has conducted that for us. This is not just about time. It is about the | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
price we would have to pay to negotiate access to the single | :46:54. | :46:56. | |
market from a crusade that. On the evidence of others who have done it, | :46:57. | :47:03. | |
the price would be freedom of movement, acceptance of the entire | :47:04. | :47:07. | |
body of European Union regulation and a whopping annual sum to put. | :47:08. | :47:16. | |
All the things that the Leave campaign CB would escape from. The | :47:17. | :47:23. | |
reality is that it would be the worst of all worlds. With regard to | :47:24. | :47:26. | |
the trade deficit with the European Union, where we to exit the single | :47:27. | :47:34. | |
market, the part of free trade that would be most at risk would be | :47:35. | :47:42. | |
services and in services, we enjoy a ?20 billion trade surplus. My | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
honourable friend is axed absolutely right. I want to address that point | :47:46. | :47:55. | |
later on. Any deal which we do with the European Union would certainly | :47:56. | :48:00. | |
exclude free access for services and that would be something of a problem | :48:01. | :48:09. | |
for an economy like ours, which is almost 80% services. If we remain | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
inside the European Union we can look forward to eat huge dividends | :48:14. | :48:19. | |
from an opening of the market in services in the coming years. The | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
truth is, when it comes to the single market, we have barely | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
scratched the surface. The single market in goods is will develop, but | :48:28. | :48:36. | |
in the sectors in which we actually reading, finance, business, Digital | :48:37. | :48:42. | |
economy, creative industries, the potential remains huge and the | :48:43. | :48:46. | |
European Union 's high-value market as the police to realise that. I | :48:47. | :48:56. | |
will give way. We have from the head of Airbus about the threat to | :48:57. | :49:03. | |
investment where Reid to leave the European Union. Does he not agree | :49:04. | :49:10. | |
that these are simply not jobs we can afford to lose. | :49:11. | :49:22. | |
We have never had a straight answer to that question, what we do have is | :49:23. | :49:29. | |
a range of independent estimates of what that number would be if we vote | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
to Leave next Thursday and I shall come to that in a moment. It is | :49:35. | :49:42. | |
because of the potential for the UK of opening up the services market in | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
the European Union that the deal be Prime Minister negotiated in | :49:49. | :49:52. | |
February is so important because we now have a clear political | :49:53. | :49:55. | |
commitment from all 27 other European Union member states, plus | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
the commission, to accelerate the development of these markets. These | :50:02. | :50:04. | |
are the sectors in which the UK leads in Europe, where an expansion | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
of the single market would disproportionately and fit the | :50:10. | :50:12. | |
United Kingdom over the years ahead. I will give way. Does he recognise | :50:13. | :50:19. | |
that that commitment to the proper completion of the single market in | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
services added to the completion of a capital market union places the | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
United Kingdom in a unique position to develop its world leading sector | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
and it would be mad to walk away from that opportunity. He is right. | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
This is what I hear from many of my European colleagues. We are about to | :50:39. | :50:42. | |
move from a phase of European Union development into a new phase, which | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
is hugely beneficial to the United Kingdom and yet we are talking about | :50:48. | :51:00. | |
walking away from it at this point. Our financial services industry | :51:01. | :51:01. | |
alone is currently contributes more than 7% of UK GDP and employs more | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
than 1 million people, two thirds of them outside London. However there | :51:06. | :51:07. | |
is not yet a single market for financial services across the key | :51:08. | :51:12. | |
you. The potential is huge. A fully function in digital marketplace | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
could be worth as much as 330 alien pounds with the UK again set to | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
benefit more than any other as the leading digital economy in Europe | :51:22. | :51:28. | |
and it was also be a huge boost for Britain's digital savvy consumers, | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
who would be able to shop freely across the single digital | :51:35. | :51:36. | |
marketplace. People are already feeling the benefits in the EU | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
agreement led by the UK to end mobile roaming charges, which is | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
estimated will save UK consumers around ?350 million a year and we | :51:48. | :51:51. | |
help all been enjoying the budget airline boom created by EU | :51:52. | :51:59. | |
regulations. Does he agree that the precise reason why the markets had | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
such a shock yesterday was the brat of the prospect of us giving way | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
based on a couple of holes and this shock to our financial system was | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
hitting the pension funds of hard-working people. If the prospect | :52:14. | :52:19. | |
of Brexit causes that shock, what on earth would actual Brexit look like? | :52:20. | :52:24. | |
He is right. We can regard what has been happening in the markets this | :52:25. | :52:30. | |
week as a tremor, a taste of what could be to come. If, on June the | :52:31. | :52:36. | |
23rd, the people of Britain vote to take that leap into the dark. To | :52:37. | :52:42. | |
continue my theme, a fully fledged energy union in gas and electricity | :52:43. | :52:47. | |
markets could save 50 billion pounds a year across the EU with huge | :52:48. | :52:51. | |
benefits for consumers in their energy bills as well as making | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
Europe safer from threats in energy blackmail. It is not just trade | :52:57. | :53:01. | |
benefits that our membership delivers because as a member of the | :53:02. | :53:06. | |
world's largest economic block the benefit directly from being party to | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
trade agreement with more than 50 other countries, agreements with | :53:12. | :53:14. | |
terms far more favourable than any we could have negotiated alone | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
because of the combined negotiating muscle of an economic block with a | :53:20. | :53:24. | |
quarter of the world's GDP. Taking into account the countries... I will | :53:25. | :53:32. | |
give way. When it comes to trade it is one of the areas where I think | :53:33. | :53:38. | |
size does matter. Does the Foreign Secretary agree that a deal that is | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
trying to be struck between Switzerland and China because we | :53:44. | :53:46. | |
hear much about what the world would be like if we leave the EU. My | :53:47. | :53:51. | |
understanding is part of that deal, the Chinese are negotiating for full | :53:52. | :53:54. | |
access to the Swiss market but they have told the Swiss they have to | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
wait 15 years to come in to the Chinese market. She is absolutely | :54:00. | :54:05. | |
right. The deal on the table between Switzerland and China is deeply | :54:06. | :54:09. | |
asymmetrical and deeply unfavourable to the Swiss that frankly reflects | :54:10. | :54:12. | |
the Miss match in scale between those two markets. Being part of the | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
world's largest economic block allows us to sit and stare into the | :54:19. | :54:25. | |
eyes of Chinese speakers and American speakers when we are | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
negotiating future trade deals. I just want to make some progress, 44% | :54:31. | :54:37. | |
of the UK's exports go to the EU, this has become a well rehearsed | :54:38. | :54:41. | |
factor in this debate but it is one that underestimates the case. | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
Because, it addresses only exports to the unit cell. If we take into | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
account the countries with which the EU has a trade agreement, that | :54:50. | :54:58. | |
figure goes up to 56%. That, of course, doesn't take into account | :54:59. | :55:02. | |
any of the countries with which the EU is currently in the process of | :55:03. | :55:06. | |
negotiating free trade agreements. If we included then we would be | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
talking about over 80% of UK exports, either to the EU or to | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
countries with which the EU has trade agreements. At the very least, | :55:17. | :55:21. | |
more than half of Britain's exports would be at risk if we leave the | :55:22. | :55:25. | |
European Union. It could take a decade or more to put in place new | :55:26. | :55:31. | |
deals with the 50 other countries with which we have those free trade | :55:32. | :55:37. | |
agreements. It isn't about choosing between growing our trade with the | :55:38. | :55:41. | |
EU or growing our trade with the rest of the globe, as these figures | :55:42. | :55:45. | |
show, our EU membership is key to both. Isn't the absurdity of talking | :55:46. | :55:56. | |
about the deficit and surplus with the rest of the world that the trade | :55:57. | :56:01. | |
we have with the rest of the world, those exports are largely through | :56:02. | :56:06. | |
foreign companies, like Japanese car-makers and American banks, those | :56:07. | :56:08. | |
companies who based themselves a because we are in the single market. | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
They are trading with the whole world, they don't see it as two | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
different places, and that is our attitude that we should take. He is | :56:17. | :56:22. | |
right. The world's Supply chain has globalised and I have to say, if I | :56:23. | :56:27. | |
am honest, when I listen to the arguments of some of our opponents | :56:28. | :56:31. | |
in this debate, while they frame them in terms of hostility to the | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
European Union, I sometimes wonder whether what I am hearing is | :56:36. | :56:38. | |
hostility to the globalisation of our economy. Mr Speaker, what is | :56:39. | :56:44. | |
true for traders also true for investment. The reality is that | :56:45. | :56:51. | |
Britain benefits hugely as a platform for investment, both from | :56:52. | :56:56. | |
EU and from non-EU countries, many of which see us as a gateway to the | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
rest of the European Union. They come here because of our language, | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
skills, flexible labour markets, domestic regular Tory environment. | :57:07. | :57:09. | |
But if I talk to foreign companies based in this country is that Mac | :57:10. | :57:20. | |
domestic regular Tory environment. It is clear that the single most | :57:21. | :57:24. | |
important factor in the decision-making of most of them is | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
our membership of the European Union. A membership that makes | :57:29. | :57:31. | |
Britain a launch pad for doing business with the rest of Europe. | :57:32. | :57:38. | |
Almost three in every four foreign investors site our access to the | :57:39. | :57:42. | |
European market as a principal reason for investment in the UK. If | :57:43. | :57:46. | |
we lost that access we would lose the investment. It is as simple as | :57:47. | :57:53. | |
that. Is he aware of the report that came out by E Y that the UK continue | :57:54. | :58:01. | |
investment in the European Union. investment in the European Union. | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
Does he agree with me that a vote to remain would encourage further | :58:07. | :58:08. | |
investment in the northern powerhouse and in other regions as | :58:09. | :58:14. | |
well. He is absolutely right, the Treasury analysis shows that the UK | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
is the largest recipient of foreign direct investment in the EU, head of | :58:19. | :58:24. | |
Germany and France. We get almost one fifth of total foreign direct | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
investment to EU countries, so 20% of the investment with less than 12% | :58:29. | :58:33. | |
of the population. I would remind the House that every pound of that | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
investment is creating jobs in the UK. That is why Australia is, | :58:39. | :58:44. | |
disproportionately large investment in the UK. This is why so many | :58:45. | :58:48. | |
Indian firms use this country as a base and it is wide world leaders -- | :58:49. | :58:56. | |
by world leaders all believe we would lose out if we vote to leave | :58:57. | :59:02. | |
the European Union. Will he confirm that this is the case with regards | :59:03. | :59:06. | |
to Japan and Japanese investments, in whom we rely for our nuclear | :59:07. | :59:11. | |
power generation in this country. Not just our new generation of | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
nuclear power but also a large part of our thriving Kinder Street, which | :59:17. | :59:23. | |
is built and based on the ability to export -- our thriving car industry. | :59:24. | :59:30. | |
That has transformed the economics of our car industry and the Labour | :59:31. | :59:33. | |
relations in our car industry. It has done wonders that this country | :59:34. | :59:38. | |
and the fact that we would even contemplate undermining the basis on | :59:39. | :59:43. | |
which that investment is here astonishes me. Mr Speaker, I will | :59:44. | :59:49. | |
make some progress. The practical consequences of lower trade and | :59:50. | :59:53. | |
investment if we left the EU would be felt directly by the British | :59:54. | :59:59. | |
people. It would mean fewer jobs and higher unemployment. An estimated | :00:00. | :00:03. | |
3.3 million jobs in the UK, more than one in every ten, is linked to | :00:04. | :00:10. | |
exports to other EU countries. 250,000 jobs in Scotland, a quarter | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
of a million in the south-west, half a million through the Midlands, | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
700,000 in the north of England. How secure will they be if we vote for | :00:20. | :00:27. | |
Brexit next Thursday? How will the spectre of rising unemployment | :00:28. | :00:31. | |
undermine consumer spending and sap business confidence to blight once | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
again those areas of the country that have been around this cycle all | :00:36. | :00:47. | |
too often. The most recent poll just published showed that support for | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
Leave in Scotland is only 32%. Is he beginning to reject the FNP call for | :00:53. | :01:00. | |
a four nation collection -- collaboration on the referendum. No. | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
This is a very important debate. We have to use of the power of | :01:07. | :01:11. | |
persuasion to win it, not tricks. We have one week to make the case. We | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
need to make it openly and fairly. We need to let the British people | :01:17. | :01:22. | |
decide. Whatever their decision, however much we may not like it, we | :01:23. | :01:28. | |
have to accept it, abide by it and implemented. That is exactly what we | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
will do. Mr Speaker, over 100,000 British businesses export to the EU | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
and the future of every single one of them and every single person who | :01:39. | :01:44. | |
works in them will be put on hold if there is a vote to leave next | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
Thursday. Will they be able to maintain access to their markets? | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
Will they face tariffs? Will their customers hedged their bets and take | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
their business elsewhere, just in case? It is difficult to see how | :01:58. | :02:06. | |
even the most upbeat Brexit ear -- Brexiteers, will approve of the | :02:07. | :02:17. | |
country being taken back to the dark days of 2008. I never want to go | :02:18. | :02:29. | |
there again. Roles Royce have a manufacturing facility in my | :02:30. | :02:33. | |
constituency. They have made it very clear that the threat to jobs, | :02:34. | :02:41. | |
unemployment has fallen 60% six 2010, all of that is put at risk and | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
that it highlighted by a CBI support which says a shock to our economy | :02:48. | :02:55. | |
could cost 950,000 jobs. Does the Foreign Secretary agree with me that | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
it is simply not a risk worth taking? I absolutely agree with my | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
honourable friend. This is a risk we don't need to take and it is a risk | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
that it would be absurd to take. I cannot believe that after all of the | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
grief and pain we have been through in this country to rebuild our | :03:13. | :03:19. | |
economy after the disaster of 2000 and 82 2009 the seriously thinking | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
about going back there. That is astonishing to me. -- 2080 2009. | :03:23. | :03:32. | |
Economic experts have judged that Britain's economy will be stronger | :03:33. | :03:38. | |
if we name in the EU. Nine out of ten economists, independent | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
organisations like the IMF, the World Trade Organisation, all | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
expressed the view that the UK will be better off inside the EU. It is | :03:48. | :03:54. | |
not just economists, it is more than 200 entrepreneurs, founders of | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
household names like Innocent drinks and last-minute .com. There has | :04:00. | :04:07. | |
rarely been an issue that can unite people from trade unions, too large | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
and small British businesses, the overwhelming weight of economic and | :04:13. | :04:15. | |
business opinion is clear. Britain is better off In. | :04:16. | :04:27. | |
on and could as to check some of the information coming from the Leave | :04:28. | :04:46. | |
campaign. I am happy to repeat that the British people will have the she | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
and they will make the decision and we will implement it. I do not | :04:53. | :04:59. | |
believe the 27 other partners and the European Union, the ritzy, we | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
can go through all this again. This is the deciding point. People have | :05:07. | :05:12. | |
to look at the options in front of us. A future that we know we can | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
predict, a Briton in the European Union which is created 2.5 million | :05:17. | :05:23. | |
jobs over the past six years, with the rate of growth which has | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
outstripped any other country in the European Union or to take that leap | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
in the dark. I want to make some more progress no. What would be the | :05:33. | :05:40. | |
consequences of a vote Leave to? Where street, because we would lose | :05:41. | :05:46. | |
access to the single market and free trade agreements that the European | :05:47. | :05:54. | |
Union have. Foreign businesses not using the United Kingdom as a launch | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
pad for their businesses, harming investment. And slower growth | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
because the economy would effectively be on hold for at least | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
two years until we negotiated the terms of our exit and almost | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
certainly far longer. And fewer jobs because of the climate of economic | :06:15. | :06:23. | |
uncertainty, few companies would be expanding the workforce. The | :06:24. | :06:31. | |
director-general of the CBI estimated it would be almost 1 | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
million fewer jobs in the United Kingdom in the next four years and | :06:37. | :06:39. | |
those under the age of 24 would-be the hardest. An exit negotiation | :06:40. | :06:50. | |
from the European Union would be far from the straightforward a fear that | :06:51. | :06:58. | |
the Leave camp are promising. The elections in France and Germany next | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
year and I can guarantee that every vested interest via would be | :07:03. | :07:10. | |
expecting to benefit from the British exit. We could expect no | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
favours from those we have chosen to snub. This idea that we could | :07:15. | :07:20. | |
negotiate a better deal from the outside rather than the one we do | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
from the inside, at the same time as the European union was telling us to | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
stay. It is simple fantasy. It simply will not happen. A moment | :07:34. | :07:41. | |
ago, he talked about companies exporting to Europe and how that | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
might be harmed by is leaving the European union. In the event of | :07:45. | :07:55. | |
Leave E vote, with all businesses not struggle because of a lack of | :07:56. | :08:02. | |
consumer spending power? From experience I can tell you what will | :08:03. | :08:10. | |
happen. If we opt to leave the European Union, the markets will | :08:11. | :08:17. | |
panic, consumers will do likewise and stop spending. This will have a | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
huge impact on our economic stability. We need to remain it and | :08:24. | :08:30. | |
hope worldly looking trading union and everyone to remain prosperous, | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
we must move up the ladder, not doughnut. This future has to be | :08:35. | :08:40. | |
about how your skills, higher wages and how your investment, not the | :08:41. | :08:47. | |
opposite. The European Union has many feelings attached to it and no | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
one doubts that. If we remain on the inside, we can and should influence | :08:55. | :08:59. | |
the speed and direction of reform. If we step outside, we will be | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
affected by the rules of the European Union bubble way of | :09:04. | :09:10. | |
influencing them and no way of reform if the institutions. The | :09:11. | :09:13. | |
consequences of the decision that the British people make next week | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
will reverberate down the generations. This is not a decision | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
to be taken lightly. All of our futures depend on it. No is not the | :09:25. | :09:32. | |
time for reckless risk taking. It is time for cool, calculated | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
consideration of the fights, the evidence and the expert opinion. All | :09:37. | :09:43. | |
point to the same conclusion. We are stronger and better and safer off | :09:44. | :09:52. | |
within a reformed European Union. Once again, we find ourselves | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
involved any referendum and the crucial debate about more hour for | :09:57. | :10:06. | |
this place. More critically, more power for the front bench over the. | :10:07. | :10:11. | |
You may have been at 816 and 17-year-olds of the vote in this. | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
But this is about younger people, about the future. About the tape of | :10:17. | :10:25. | |
country we want to see. He was also reluctant to extend the deadline saw | :10:26. | :10:35. | |
more young people could vote. It will impact younger people for far | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
longer than little impact on those in this chamber. I'd hate to see it, | :10:41. | :10:50. | |
but the Leave campaign have fought a vary in negative campaign. They have | :10:51. | :11:04. | |
steered well clear of the facts. I was wanting to give them the benefit | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
of the doubt, only to find myself in a leaflet advocating for Leave when | :11:09. | :11:16. | |
I did not support that position. This was a power grab for the most | :11:17. | :11:19. | |
right wing government in recent times. Instead of the Leave plans, | :11:20. | :11:31. | |
what are the positive reasons for staying within the European Union? | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
It is about cooperation with our member states. It gives us access to | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
a single market of 500 million consumers. The European Union is | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
Scotland's top export destination. There is more whiskey drunk in a | :11:51. | :11:57. | |
month in France than cognac in a year. But that will not stop is | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
exporting to the rest of the world. We benefit from many other markets. | :12:03. | :12:08. | |
That will still be there. It will still be there. If anything, the | :12:09. | :12:16. | |
European Union benefits as because we can step out the large European | :12:17. | :12:22. | |
market. It is not just about big business. Small business benefits | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
almost more than any. There are many businesses in my constituency that | :12:27. | :12:33. | |
cannot afford a lawyer and 28 capital cities around the European | :12:34. | :12:40. | |
Union. It fundamentally helps them. Would he agree that those in the | :12:41. | :12:50. | |
Leave campaign say that we are in the fifth largest economy in the | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
world, forget that many states in the United States are bigger than | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
ours. We cannot compete with the likes of China. Would he agree that | :13:02. | :13:10. | |
this is the ridiculous claim by the Leave campaign. I agree with them. | :13:11. | :13:20. | |
Just as Scotland is a medium-size European state, the United Kingdom | :13:21. | :13:23. | |
is in reality a medium-sized global state. By as the tread of many | :13:24. | :13:35. | |
countries who have no connection with the European Union grown | :13:36. | :13:40. | |
considerably in recent years. The idea that wit we would draw by | :13:41. | :13:46. | |
leaving this enormous trading block is failing to face up to facts. It | :13:47. | :13:56. | |
also helps us internally. If you think about the health care benefits | :13:57. | :14:03. | |
that we have. Research, that is healthier. Scotland is currently | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
leading the way on dementia research. I am proud of the role we | :14:09. | :14:18. | |
have in that. Just as other member states are contributing to our | :14:19. | :14:21. | |
health through the research. I give way. There are many hill schemes we | :14:22. | :14:30. | |
have heard and part of the reason we are in this debate is for 40 years, | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
we never talk about anything we gained, cleaner here, cleaner water, | :14:38. | :14:49. | |
cleaner seaside. The European medicines agency is here sitting in | :14:50. | :14:57. | |
London. I want to help everyone. Can I just say, we have over 50 people | :14:58. | :15:05. | |
wanting to speak. That will not be possible if there are so many | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
interventions. I think we benefit in a large of ways. Membership of the | :15:13. | :15:21. | |
European Union has me does cleaner. I am sure members all round would | :15:22. | :15:24. | |
congratulate the Scottish common for meeting the climate change targets | :15:25. | :15:31. | |
for years ahead of schedule. We got very little help from this place but | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
plenty of cooperation from our European partners. The quality, | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
which was mentioned, the number of years ago, we had the likes of acid | :15:43. | :15:50. | |
rain affecting Germany, the ear quality directives came out of that. | :15:51. | :15:56. | |
It benefits all offers. If you look at Scotland's renewables industry | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
which is thriving, no thanks to this government, but a lot of thanks to | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
the cooperation of our European partners. Those people who are going | :16:07. | :16:20. | |
to speak shortly, could he please not intervene at the moment? Working | :16:21. | :16:30. | |
with partners has me does cleaner and mid Scotland healthier and | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
wealthier. It has also made us smarter. Our universities IC dearly | :16:37. | :16:47. | |
the benefits of collaboration with our European partners. In 2014, | :16:48. | :16:53. | |
Scotland has received over ?200 million from the science fund it is | :16:54. | :17:03. | |
set to receive ?1.2 billion by 2020. The benefits are huge for everyone | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
on the campus. Across the United Kingdom there are nearly 11,500 | :17:10. | :17:19. | |
European Union students contributing to our universities, benefiting them | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
clearly. Would he agree that collaborations such as that at | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
Glasgow University could not happen if we were not part of this European | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
Union family? That is an excellent point. Collaboration with the | :17:35. | :17:40. | |
universities. A French student at Saint Andrews showed me the creation | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
of the black hole. She raises a good point. I am someone who benefited | :17:47. | :17:55. | |
from freedom of movement. I was able to pick up the opportunities that I | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
had and I do not want to vote to take these opportunities away from | :18:02. | :18:07. | |
young people the options I had and the opportunities many members in | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
this house will have had. I just want to make a little progress. | :18:12. | :18:14. | |
Freedom of movement, which often benefits companies as well as | :18:15. | :18:21. | |
individuals within the society. The net contribution which has been made | :18:22. | :18:26. | |
by the European Union has been significant. If you took that | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
funding and we, the Chancellor would have even less money to impose this | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
austerity budget he is proposing. The point I wish to make is that | :18:40. | :18:45. | |
those students and those universities not only gain from what | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
the European Union gives to them, but that also allows them to leave | :18:50. | :18:57. | |
80 billion news for additional research spending to help educate | :18:58. | :19:04. | |
everyone. A very good point. The ?350 million figure that were | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
splashed about on the side of the bus. That did not last long when it | :19:10. | :19:15. | |
stood up to no scrutiny. It ignored the huge range of benefits we gain | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
from the European which call beyond that membership fee. Can we talk | :19:21. | :19:29. | |
about also that freedom of movement is a two-way process. We think about | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
the 1.5 million United Kingdom citizens who benefit greatly from | :19:35. | :19:37. | |
freedom of movement across the European Union. I often pose this | :19:38. | :19:45. | |
question. What is the difference between a European Union migrant and | :19:46. | :19:51. | |
British expatriate? They are basically the same. On freedom of | :19:52. | :19:57. | |
movement, some of the appalling language which has come out during | :19:58. | :20:02. | |
this campaign has been terrible. Not least about migration and refugees. | :20:03. | :20:07. | |
Where we benefit is from working with our European Union partner John | :20:08. | :20:15. | |
foreign policy. The American policy -- President said the big mistake | :20:16. | :20:28. | |
was the action in the aftermath of Libya the failure for us to deal | :20:29. | :20:32. | |
with within the European Union has caused great problems and that is | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
where most of the refugees are now coming from. | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
In a few moments time the members on this site will be well aware that | :20:39. | :20:52. | |
Chilcott will be published at the European Union had nothing to do | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
with the disaster in Iraq and other UK foreign policy disasters. Compare | :20:58. | :21:06. | |
this to the EU as a soft power. The EU and the process they make in | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
stabilising south-east Europe and the future they could have another | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
regions in dealing with the former Soviet Union, Europe can be a soft | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
superpower and we need to be at the heart of that as well. As our | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
partners in the European Union have said, our membership of Nato and the | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
European Union complemented each other and have given us the longest | :21:29. | :21:34. | |
period of peace and prosperity in European history and that is | :21:35. | :21:39. | |
something that we should not forget. Finally on these different points I | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
want to talk about where the European Union has made us fairer. | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
The EU protect us in so many times, for paid holidays, giving parents, | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
mums and dads the right to parental leave, and just think about the | :21:54. | :21:58. | |
Draconian trade union laws that they want to bring in. Do you want to | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
leave us up to the mercy of a right-wing conservative government | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
when it comes to social protection? Social protections that have been | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
advanced through our membership of the European Union. Last night the | :22:11. | :22:14. | |
member for Uxbridge, who is actually not here, which doesn't surprise me, | :22:15. | :22:21. | |
given the going over he got, he highlighted something he had said | :22:22. | :22:25. | |
previously, we could easily scrap the social Charter. He is right, | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
they could easily scrap the social Charter and all the benefits that go | :22:30. | :22:33. | |
with it because this is, when it comes down to it, a right-wing Tory | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
power grab. You are putting the right wing Tory foxes in charge of | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
the chicken coop of progressive politics in the United Kingdom. I | :22:45. | :22:50. | |
thank the honourable member for giving way and he is confronting | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
directly the leftist leave argument that has been made which ignores the | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
fact that we would be plunged into recession and pretends there would | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
not be prosperity in Europe. There would be a carnival of reaction, not | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
just in these benches opposite but also across Europe where right-wing | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
and neofascist parties would come forward and destroy rights in the | :23:13. | :23:17. | |
country as well. The member raises an excellent point. Frankly, Mr | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
Deputy Speaker, you can't trust them, you can't trust them with | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
social protection, you can't trust them with our environment and you | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
can't trust them with workers' rights. This is a Tory excuse for | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
more austerity and it is what is coming if you vote to leave. Lemmy | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
also talk about democracy. We also talk about democracy from the vote | :23:40. | :23:48. | |
to leave. We talk of Brexit people talking about democracy. There are | :23:49. | :23:52. | |
28 elected state and 28 commissioners appointed by this | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
government and the Parliament who can sack those commissioners. They | :23:56. | :23:59. | |
talk of a Tory government majority here that was gained with just one | :24:00. | :24:03. | |
in four voters voting for them and their worst selection result in | :24:04. | :24:09. | |
Scotland for many years. They talk of a victory in Scotland with a | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
fifth of vote and defeat with an SNP was just under half the vote and | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
they talk up democracy as they eye up the seat in an affront to | :24:18. | :24:22. | |
democracy that sits along at the end. Do not be fulled by their | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
appeals for democracy, they could learn a thing or two about democracy | :24:29. | :24:36. | |
from Europe. The EU is made up of 28 independent member states and nobody | :24:37. | :24:40. | |
questions the independence of Germany, France, Denmark. Mary | :24:41. | :24:46. | |
Robinson says she believes that Ireland only truly became | :24:47. | :24:48. | |
independent after it joined the European Union. Another member made | :24:49. | :24:55. | |
a valuable point earlier on when he said the European Union is a club | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
for independent member states. The union of the UK is not. Not being | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
independent here means you can have the poll tax, nuclear missiles on | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
your soil, your fisheries described as expendable by a Tory government, | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
against the wishes of your people, that is not democratic. In | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
conclusion I joined the SNP because I want to see Scotland in the world. | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
The real isolation came from the union and doing things through the | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
prism of London. I started saying that this is about our future but | :25:29. | :25:35. | |
let is -- let us reflect on the past. Scotland may be on the fringes | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
of Europe geographically but we sit at its heart politically. I am | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
commemorating the visit of Pope Benedict to Scotland. Scotland was | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
once remarked as the special daughter of the church and that was | :25:51. | :25:54. | |
back in 1218 when the Pope was trying to set out an archbishop in | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
my constituency in St Andrews. Back then our European partners were | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
protecting us from the worst excesses. Even when William | :26:04. | :26:11. | |
Wallace's first act was a letter to rejoin the Hanseatic league, it's | :26:12. | :26:19. | |
European Union of its day. With our environmental commitment and a | :26:20. | :26:23. | |
commitment to clean future and our universities excellence and a | :26:24. | :26:26. | |
commitment to social progression, Scotland remains the heart of | :26:27. | :26:32. | |
Europe, and I hope that the isolationist tendencies of vote to | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
leave and many in this place will not win out and we vote to remain | :26:35. | :26:42. | |
next week. John Redwood. Prosperity not austerity is what we want and | :26:43. | :26:46. | |
that would be so much easier to achieve when we cast off the | :26:47. | :26:52. | |
shackles of the European Union. It is an institution renowned for its | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
gross austerity. The damages it has done through swathes of our | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
continent, driving young people into unemployment and preventing school | :27:03. | :27:05. | |
leavers getting any job at all and starving public services of cash. We | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
have seen the terrible damage done increase in parts of Italy and Spain | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
and Portugal from these policies. How could we have some freedom to | :27:16. | :27:19. | |
distance ourselves from them and we would have even more freedom when we | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
take back our own money and taxes and budgets. I find it, Mr Deputy | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
Speaker, bizarre that I woke this morning to press comment that there | :27:29. | :27:35. | |
would need to be a post-Brexit about Budget. They seem to have conceded | :27:36. | :27:41. | |
defeat and I will wait to see what the British public really wanted a | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
vote that is still to be decided. They seem to have conceded defeat | :27:45. | :27:48. | |
and said they would launch an austerity Budget if the British | :27:49. | :27:50. | |
people dare to vote for their freedom and then of democracy. There | :27:51. | :27:54. | |
was absolutely no need to do that and I would like to reassure the | :27:55. | :27:57. | |
British people there would be absolutely no chance of them getting | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
such a Budget through this House of Commons. I do not see any enthusiasm | :28:02. | :28:22. | |
for it from the SNP or the Labour Party and there are many | :28:23. | :28:26. | |
Conservative MPs who offer Brexit will be voting for lower taxes and | :28:27. | :28:28. | |
more public spending, because that is what we will be able to afford | :28:29. | :28:31. | |
out of the Brexit bonus or dividend when we get that 10 billion a year | :28:32. | :28:35. | |
back that we send to them and do not get back. They do so hate it... I | :28:36. | :28:38. | |
can't, because I had to be tight on time because others wish to speak. | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
They so hate the idea that there is going to be this dividend because | :28:42. | :28:43. | |
they know that the money is taken away from us and not used for the | :28:44. | :28:46. | |
priorities of their electors, their health services and education | :28:47. | :28:48. | |
services and getting rid of VAT on fuel, and much hated imposition that | :28:49. | :28:51. | |
hits those on lower incomes far more than others and something we are | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
legally not allowed to do within the European Union but which we would be | :28:57. | :28:59. | |
free to do soon as the British people voted to leave, if that is | :29:00. | :29:03. | |
their wish. The issue of our membership of the European Union | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
needs to be looked at over the longer term because all of the | :29:08. | :29:20. | |
gloomy and bogus forecasts have been getting from the people who wish to | :29:21. | :29:22. | |
remain in our based on the assumption that the single market is | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
some precious and virtuous body we can belong to which has fuelled our | :29:26. | :29:27. | |
prosperity and manufacturing growth so far and which would no longer be | :29:28. | :29:30. | |
a available to us we left. They are on both counts. It has not helped | :29:31. | :29:36. | |
our manufacturing and when we leave we would still have access to the | :29:37. | :29:40. | |
single market, just as 165 other countries around the world have | :29:41. | :29:44. | |
access to that were -- market daily, without being members and without | :29:45. | :29:48. | |
having to accept the freedom of movement provisions and without | :29:49. | :29:51. | |
having to accept the taxes and the laws that are imposed on us in a | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
wide range of issues that have nothing to do with trade whatsoever. | :29:56. | :30:02. | |
Because the position of the single market when it came in did not | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
accelerate our growth rate or our experts or manufacture in any way, | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
the government did a very long -- good long-term survey. It took the | :30:13. | :30:17. | |
period from 1951 to 2007. They started in 1951 because to leave out | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
the bit right after the war with a big demobilisation affect ten to 51 | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
was a stable year and up until 2007, you can say the figures for | :30:28. | :30:31. | |
Manufacturing today are identical because unfortunately we had a deep | :30:32. | :30:34. | |
recession and we're just about getting back to those levels today. | :30:35. | :30:41. | |
What those figures showed was that between 1951 and 1972, before we | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
joined the European Union, we had manufacturing output growth of over | :30:46. | :30:50. | |
4% per annum and now we're in the thing that has been absolutely no | :30:51. | :30:53. | |
manufacturing growth at all over that very long time period. If we | :30:54. | :30:59. | |
look at individual sectors we can see that prior to joining the | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
European Union power metal sector grow at 3% per annum and it has | :31:04. | :31:08. | |
declined at 6% per annum since we have been in it. Our food and drink | :31:09. | :31:12. | |
industry grew up 5.6 per annum before we joined and it has been | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
falling at what the semper and since we have been in the EU. Our textile | :31:17. | :31:22. | |
sector grow at 2% per annum and it has now fallen by 6% per annum | :31:23. | :31:30. | |
since. We had a steel industry thanks to massive national | :31:31. | :31:31. | |
investment and the Labour government of the 60s and it now does 11 | :31:32. | :31:37. | |
million tonnes only. We had a 400,000 tonne aluminium industry | :31:38. | :31:40. | |
when we joined the EU and now we have a 43,000 tonnes left. We had a | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
20 million tonnes cement industry when we joined and we have a 12 | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
million tonne industry left and we had a 1 million tiny fishing | :31:50. | :31:54. | |
industry when we joined the EU and we have just 600,000 tonnes left | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
now. Some of these industries, particularly the fishing industries, | :32:00. | :32:02. | |
my honourable friend well knows, have been gravely damaged by our EU | :32:03. | :32:08. | |
membership itself. It is EU rules and the common fishing policy and | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
the quota allocations to other countries against the interests of | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
our own fish are people that has led to a halving of the numbers of | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
fishermen that we have in our country during our membership of the | :32:20. | :32:25. | |
European Union. Far from our experience in manufacturing being | :32:26. | :32:28. | |
benign in the European Union, we have discovered that high energy | :32:29. | :32:32. | |
prices, rate subsidies and arrangements that help other | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
countries more than ours and a policy quite often of providing | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
subsidy and Grant and cheap loans to manufacturers to literally transfer | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
plants to Britain and other continental countries has been part | :32:48. | :32:51. | |
of the background to the dreadful erosion of our manufacturing. It is | :32:52. | :32:55. | |
fed to look in manufacturing because as I think Reamin campaigners always | :32:56. | :33:04. | |
say and agree, there is no single market in services. The single | :33:05. | :33:09. | |
market was completed by goods in 1992 and now we have the experience | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
until today and it has not made any beneficial difference whatsoever to | :33:15. | :33:18. | |
our manufacturing, this very deep-set decline which is | :33:19. | :33:22. | |
characterised by a period in the European Union was not turned around | :33:23. | :33:25. | |
by the single market measures which were introduced. Fortunately our | :33:26. | :33:31. | |
services have not yet been damaged by the growing regulation within the | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
EU but the evidence from what happened to manufacturing is not | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
encouraging when you look at what might happen to our services. We | :33:40. | :33:44. | |
already have many cases where the City of London defending his | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
interest as a financial service provider finds itself at variance | :33:48. | :33:49. | |
with European rules coming in and because it is settled by a qualified | :33:50. | :33:54. | |
majority vote, being around the table is no use to us because we get | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
outvoted and if we dare to take it further we get European Court | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
judgments against our alleged infringement of their rules. Mr | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
Deputy Speaker, I know that you are very keen that I keep these remarks | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
very short and this is a very important case that doesn't get | :34:12. | :34:14. | |
heard in this house so I am afraid for once I am not going to be able | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
to take interventions. The position is quite simple. Outside the | :34:19. | :34:24. | |
European Union we will continue to trade fully with the European Union, | :34:25. | :34:28. | |
as we do today. On our side we are not proposing a wholesale removal of | :34:29. | :34:33. | |
rules and regulations. One of the genuine benefits of the single | :34:34. | :34:36. | |
market, as has been pointed out, is that there are common rules and | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
regulations for trading with all countries. The great news is that we | :34:41. | :34:45. | |
get the benefit of that whether we are in or out. The Americans have | :34:46. | :34:49. | |
grown that trade more quickly with the EU than we have from within and | :34:50. | :34:52. | |
they get the benefits of that part of the single market because they | :34:53. | :34:57. | |
only have two supply to one specification, just as we do from | :34:58. | :35:01. | |
within. The advantage we would get outside is that many of the common | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
rules and standards are informed by global ones. We have been kicked off | :35:07. | :35:09. | |
the global bodies by the European Union and with will get our seat and | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
vote and voice back on the global bodies so we will have more | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
influence at the top table in return for no longer being part of the EU. | :35:19. | :35:27. | |
For prosperity, not austerity, for control of our own taxes, spending | :35:28. | :35:34. | |
our own money, providing growth out of spending that extra money, | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
trading freely without restrictions, vote leave. I am grateful to have | :35:39. | :35:48. | |
followed the Right Honourable member for walking, equality is considered | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
one of the more erudite spokesman of the campaign. I waited for a | :35:55. | :36:06. | |
coherent, case, but instead we got this makes fantasy and naivete which | :36:07. | :36:10. | |
I never thought would hear expressed in the way it was. I would like to | :36:11. | :36:14. | |
make three points. Firstly, his diagnosis and the diagnosis of the | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
British economy and its relationship to its European economic hinterland | :36:20. | :36:27. | |
is based on a perception of gumball diplomacy and tariff walls, economic | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
rivalry. It is such a backward looking view. As Margaret Thatcher | :36:34. | :36:39. | |
herself rightly recognise and the inventor of the single market | :36:40. | :36:44. | |
rightly recognised, modern trade is not about taxes, levies and tariffs | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
but about the rules, the standards, the norms, the qualifications and | :36:50. | :36:51. | |
the regulations that either incest or impede trade. -- either assist or | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
impede trade. If you are not in the room where those rules are being | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
made, what control do you gain by being outside the room? It is a | :37:03. | :37:10. | |
catastrophic loss of sovereignty and loss of control. I will give way. As | :37:11. | :37:15. | |
usual, the Right honourable gentleman is actually just off beam. | :37:16. | :37:25. | |
The way in which... He is completely incapable of getting anything on the | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
European Union rights. The manner in which the decisions are taken by the | :37:30. | :37:35. | |
Council of ministers, are the well knows, is largely behind closed | :37:36. | :37:41. | |
doors, and are not made any manner in which he suggests. -- at the well | :37:42. | :37:49. | |
knows. Being called off beam by the honourable gentleman is... He and I | :37:50. | :37:53. | |
share a passion for Sheffield, so we shall put that aside. Services are | :37:54. | :38:13. | |
barely affected by tariffs. What is affected. We are services economy | :38:14. | :38:20. | |
superpower protected by the rules which we'll be excluded from. As the | :38:21. | :38:26. | |
honourable gentleman acknowledged, it is a work in progress, so what do | :38:27. | :38:30. | |
you do when there is a work in progress when you are the chief | :38:31. | :38:34. | |
author and architect of the success in that very area? Why on earth | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
would you walk away from the construction of the building of | :38:40. | :38:42. | |
which you are the chief architect and the chief beneficiary? 7% | :38:43. | :38:48. | |
increase energy DP is the calculation of the improvement in | :38:49. | :38:58. | |
economic in this country that the Brexit can want to walk away from -- | :38:59. | :39:05. | |
7% increase in GDP. Why was there an improvement in manufacturing | :39:06. | :39:10. | |
activity with the single market? -- why was there no improvement? The | :39:11. | :39:21. | |
way he used statistics, even by the friendly basis standard by which | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
that ethics have been bandied about by both sides in this campaign, | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
spectacularly misleading. -- that statistics have been bandied about. | :39:30. | :39:33. | |
You would think this club we have been a member for 40 years would be | :39:34. | :39:36. | |
the fount of all misery if you listen to the browser campaign. How | :39:37. | :39:40. | |
come we are still an independent, and broadly speaking prosperous | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
nation if we have been a member of it for over four decades? The second | :39:46. | :39:53. | |
point, which is completely omitted by the analysis from the Brexit | :39:54. | :39:58. | |
campaigners, is our current deficit. To be fair it is something the | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
Government is very silent on as well, for good reason, because it is | :40:02. | :40:08. | |
shockingly large. 7% GDP is historically and internationally | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
very, very high, and in my view in the under sustainable by historical | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
standards. -- unsustainable. If you run such a huge unprecedented | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
current-account deficit, you rely on the kindness of strangers. The only | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
way that current-account deficit is sustainable is if strangers from | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
elsewhere in the world and nest in assets in this country. Property, | :40:35. | :40:42. | |
infrastructure, financial services, factories, companies. -- invest in | :40:43. | :40:47. | |
assets. What are those investors? Because it is on the kindness of | :40:48. | :40:51. | |
those strangers upon which these sustainability of that ballooning | :40:52. | :40:54. | |
current-account deficit relies. What will those strangers think after | :40:55. | :41:00. | |
next Thursday when they do not even know whether our country will | :41:01. | :41:03. | |
survive at all? The United Kingdom may not persist because Scotland may | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
trigger a second referendum and see the United Kingdom fault. What are | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
they going to the as they see this year after year after year of | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
grinding political and constitutional and economic | :41:19. | :41:21. | |
uncertainty? Why would they continue to invest in UK plc? And if they | :41:22. | :41:25. | |
suddenly pull out of their money, I will tell you what will happen. The | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
pound will plummet. Inflation in prizes for ordinary people will go | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
up. We will be caught in an economic whirlwind which these people | :41:35. | :41:38. | |
irresponsibly want to inflict on millions of our citizens. It is a | :41:39. | :41:45. | |
scandalous position to take. He is making some very powerful points. | :41:46. | :41:48. | |
Can I just remind the House that we are still living with the | :41:49. | :41:55. | |
consequences of the financial crisis in 2007, 2008. I would say to the | :41:56. | :41:58. | |
right honourable gentleman that the answer to the question he is asking, | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
the stock market has fallen by 80 billion in the last few days as | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
investors recognise the risk to this country if we have a Brexit vote | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
next week. That is the start of Lisa Nandy he is talking about. Why would | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
we risk the Bristol area day of the United Kingdom and the rest of | :42:15. | :42:18. | |
Europe by taking such an action? -- risk the prosperity? I played a | :42:19. | :42:25. | |
role, somewhat pointlessly, it turned out, for five years and the | :42:26. | :42:33. | |
Coalition Government, to try and provide the political stability the | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
country needed to recover from that cardiac arrest that occurred in | :42:37. | :42:41. | |
2008. It was I think the right thing to do. You cannot recover from that | :42:42. | :42:46. | |
kind of, if you have closed and constitutional and political | :42:47. | :42:49. | |
instability, yet that is what the Brexit can want to wilfully inflict | :42:50. | :42:53. | |
on this place and the country. It is astonishing they want to drag us | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
back into the furnace of that economic disaster from which we are | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
still escaping right now. Third and final point. Unlike a think every | :43:03. | :43:06. | |
single member of this has, in a previous incarnation, before I went | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
into politics, I actually worked in a relatively lowly manner as an | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
international trade negotiator. I was part of the EU trade negotiation | :43:15. | :43:20. | |
team which tried to settle the terms of China's accession into the World | :43:21. | :43:22. | |
Trade Organisation. I spent months haggling with hard-nosed Russian | :43:23. | :43:31. | |
trade negotiators about the overflight rights pay by British | :43:32. | :43:35. | |
Airways and European airlines and the overflow Siberia. I spent a lot | :43:36. | :43:38. | |
of time with international trade negotiator. These are very | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
unsentimental people. And the idea, it is on the larval something to say | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
it, that you can pool out of the world's's largest economic block and | :43:49. | :43:53. | |
then say to these unsentimental people, who have driven such a hard | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
bargain, we want not just the same. We want better deals, better set of | :43:59. | :44:07. | |
conditions on the half of and economy of only 60 million. Who do | :44:08. | :44:10. | |
the Brexit can think these negotiators are? They are not stupid | :44:11. | :44:14. | |
and naive. They will just sniggered. I have scoured the Internet this | :44:15. | :44:20. | |
morning to look for these apparently freedom loving nations who will cut | :44:21. | :44:24. | |
these favourable deals with us as we depart into this land of milk and | :44:25. | :44:30. | |
honey as people ever lovely give us concessions. -- effortlessly give us | :44:31. | :44:36. | |
concessions. I cannot find any ones. Have the Indian said it? Has the | :44:37. | :44:42. | |
Americans, the trillions? Not a single country anywhere in the world | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
has said that they will give better terms of trade to the United Kingdom | :44:47. | :44:48. | |
on its own and the European Union. So please, if we do one thing | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
between now and next Thursday, while means let's thrash it out between | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
those who want us to remain in the EU, flawed and reformed as it must | :45:01. | :45:03. | |
be, and those who want us to go out. But let's not do it on these | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
falsehoods, this misleading nonsense, the naivete and fun to see | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
which would do this great country of ours such a terrible disservice. -- | :45:12. | :45:18. | |
and naivete and fantasy. It is a great nostalgic pleasure to follow | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
the honourable member for Sheffield and Hallen, and you can reiterate -- | :45:24. | :45:28. | |
here Henrietta read the fears that he first enunciated if we left the | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
ERM, and those fears proved wrong. And then the fears which he next | :45:35. | :45:39. | |
enunciated, if we did not join the euro, and in the proved the reverse | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
of the truth. So it is nostalgic to hear him recycling has damaged goods | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
again today. It is even more of a pleasure to follow from my right | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
honourable friend, the member from walking, because he and I worked | :45:55. | :45:59. | |
together at the DTI, and I think I am the only serving member of | :46:00. | :46:04. | |
Parliament, possibly apart from the member for Sheffield and Hallam, who | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
has experience negotiating successfully and international trade | :46:10. | :46:12. | |
deal, and with my right honourable friend, we introduced the single | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
market programme into this country. So we have some experience, and I | :46:17. | :46:22. | |
want to apply that experience to some of the arguments. I find on | :46:23. | :46:27. | |
this issue, as most issues, we in politics, when we have no experience | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
on anything, we simply adopt the most plausible argument that | :46:33. | :46:35. | |
supports our case. That is, I am large, is what happens on matters of | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
trade and economic in their size, because there is so little | :46:41. | :46:47. | |
experience of it. -- in this House. I am one of the few who has | :46:48. | :46:52. | |
experience in this. Let me first take the very idea that trade | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
agreements are a necessary and essential for trade. They are | :46:58. | :47:00. | |
important, I hate to say it, because I have got a vested interest in | :47:01. | :47:07. | |
claiming my interest in these things, but less important than | :47:08. | :47:10. | |
people imagine. Particularly between developed countries. The average | :47:11. | :47:21. | |
tariff that would apply to British exports to the EU, and the almost | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
inconceivable circumstances that we had no free trade agreement with | :47:28. | :47:35. | |
them, would average 2.4%. Better not to have that. I would rather not | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
have that. But compared with the movements in the exchange rate, it | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
is negligible and much less important than we think. The only | :47:46. | :47:49. | |
important trade deals are those with the fast-growing markets of Asia, | :47:50. | :47:54. | |
Latin America, and Europe, which still do have high tariff levels, | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
and we ought to be wooden to negotiate trade deals with them. -- | :47:59. | :48:06. | |
looking to negotiate. I entirely agree with everything that the right | :48:07. | :48:09. | |
honourable gentleman asset. What we have not discussed in far is that | :48:10. | :48:15. | |
people want us, our market, just as much as we may want their market. It | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
takes two to tango in any trade deal, and trade deals will go on | :48:21. | :48:26. | |
regardless. My honourable friend is absolutely right. Trade deals take | :48:27. | :48:29. | |
place because the are in the mutual interests of both parties. They are | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
not actually a military conflict. They are something like trade | :48:35. | :48:37. | |
itself, which takes place between two parties. And very plausible but | :48:38. | :48:41. | |
incorrect argument is that trade agreements always take a long time. | :48:42. | :48:47. | |
When the Secretary for foreign affairs was asked whether they had | :48:48. | :48:57. | |
done any study of trade agreements, a Freedom of information request | :48:58. | :48:59. | |
revealed neither the Treasury or the Government have done any study of | :49:00. | :49:03. | |
these trade agreements and I wish the talks knowledgeable. But studies | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
have been done. I refer to one done by the European Centre of studies in | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
Germany, who has done a study of every single trade agreement in the | :49:14. | :49:19. | |
last 15 years, 20 years. There are 88 of them. The average time the | :49:20. | :49:29. | |
trick was 28 months. -- time they took. But there was a great variety | :49:30. | :49:34. | |
of times. The ones that are going time, which concurs with my | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
experience, were those that involve lots of countries. And by | :49:38. | :49:43. | |
definition, any EU treaty involves 28 countries and take a long time. | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
Because all of those 28 countries have vetoes. | :49:48. | :49:58. | |
Bilateral treaties between two countries take less than that | :49:59. | :50:05. | |
average of 28 months. We shouldn't start eluding people that it will | :50:06. | :50:09. | |
take a long time to negotiate bilateral deals with countries who | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
already have bilateral deals with Switzerland, for example. A member | :50:15. | :50:17. | |
asked rhetorically whether anyone was queueing up for trade deals with | :50:18. | :50:22. | |
us. Don't look for what they say, look for what they do. Switzerland | :50:23. | :50:29. | |
has trade deals with countries whose total GDP is four times that of the | :50:30. | :50:33. | |
countries with which the EU has trade deals. Chile has trade deals | :50:34. | :50:40. | |
with countries who GDP collectively is even bigger than that. | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
Switzerland has a trade deal with China. We are told it is a bad deal | :50:45. | :50:49. | |
for Switzerland but clearly the Swiss did not think so. They | :50:50. | :50:53. | |
published on their website the details of this deal and you can | :50:54. | :50:58. | |
look at it. By the time the EU even gets around to negotiating a trader | :50:59. | :51:03. | |
with China, which, by the way, they will never succeed because they | :51:04. | :51:07. | |
insist on human rights terms that the Chinese will not accept, the | :51:08. | :51:11. | |
Swiss will have zero tariffs on the vast majority of their exports to | :51:12. | :51:17. | |
China. I thank my right honourable friend forgiving way and he is a | :51:18. | :51:20. | |
distinguished former trade Secretary knows what he on about and we come | :51:21. | :51:24. | |
from different sides of the debate on this issue, but would he accept | :51:25. | :51:28. | |
that all of his experience and wisdom and contacts in the | :51:29. | :51:31. | |
Commonwealth and the European Union, particularly in the Commonwealth, | :51:32. | :51:39. | |
people wanted to do business with Britain in and out of Europe, is it | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
not the case that Commonwealth leaders want to have a trade deal | :51:45. | :51:47. | |
with the whole of Europe, not just United Kingdom. They probably want | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
trade deals with whoever they can negotiate sensible trade deals with | :51:54. | :51:56. | |
and they will not say it is either/ or, they will want to trade deal | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
with us because we are the fifth biggest economy in the world, and | :52:00. | :52:02. | |
they will want to trade with the EU but they will find it takes a very | :52:03. | :52:06. | |
long time because all 28 countries will have to agree to it first. Now | :52:07. | :52:11. | |
there is a suggestion very often that the deal is that the EU gets | :52:12. | :52:20. | |
will be better because it's bigger. Actually, not only are they more | :52:21. | :52:22. | |
complicated to do with lots of countries, but they take longer and | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
the result is worse and list comprehensive because you have 28 | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
times as many exceptions and exclusions so they are less | :52:31. | :52:35. | |
comprehensive trade deals. As far as the UK is concerned they are even | :52:36. | :52:39. | |
less likely to be in our interest because we can see what has happened | :52:40. | :52:45. | |
so far. One third of the trade deals the EU has negotiated with other | :52:46. | :52:50. | |
countries, one third of those deals don't include services. Services are | :52:51. | :52:54. | |
very important to this country as has been repeatedly stated, but less | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
important to the rest of the EU, so they don't bother to include | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
services in it. Switzerland also has a great importance to exporting | :53:04. | :53:09. | |
services so 90% of their trade deals do include services, as, of course, | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
would ours if we were independent and making our own deals. I am | :53:13. | :53:18. | |
grateful to you for giving way. You mention Switzerland quite often and | :53:19. | :53:21. | |
it is part of the European economic area but they still placed their | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
banking services in London to access the rest of the European Union | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
through the passport any agreements. Has he looks at that particular | :53:33. | :53:38. | |
problem and does he have a solution? Actually they moved their banking | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
centres to London after the Big Bang and before the single market. I | :53:43. | :53:48. | |
actually negotiated the second banking directive which introduced | :53:49. | :53:51. | |
passport in for banks and I was so proud of and I wanted to make a | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
speech saying what a wonderful thing it was and what a wonderful thing | :53:56. | :53:58. | |
the single market programme was and I asked my officials to find | :53:59. | :54:01. | |
examples of banks and others that were using, doing things made | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
possible by the single market programme in this sort of passport | :54:08. | :54:11. | |
and because they couldn't find a single one at that point because | :54:12. | :54:14. | |
nearly all banks trade through subsidiaries which means they don't | :54:15. | :54:18. | |
take advantage of the passport in which allows you to operate through | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
a branch rather than a subsidiary regulated by the British financial | :54:25. | :54:28. | |
authorities in the country in which they operate, they choose to buy | :54:29. | :54:32. | |
banks and their other countries that I will come on to other aspects of a | :54:33. | :54:36. | |
passport in issue that I will come onto of time permits. I give way. I | :54:37. | :54:41. | |
am grateful to the honourable gentleman and I always listen very | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
carefully to what he says. He has made a very strong case about the | :54:46. | :54:51. | |
difficulties as a large trading block of 27 nations negotiating, and | :54:52. | :54:57. | |
the time it would take to do that. Why is it that he does feel that in | :54:58. | :55:03. | |
short measure it would be possible for the UK to re-establish its | :55:04. | :55:08. | |
trading relations with an EU that no longer had us as part of it. He has | :55:09. | :55:13. | |
made a very compelling case to show why that would not be possible. I | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
was going to come onto it. It takes quite a long time, for examples, for | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
the EU to negotiate a trade deal with Canada because each country has | :55:25. | :55:27. | |
tariffs against the other and different product specifications and | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
so on, and they are having to trade off a cut on tariffs on steel | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
against another cut against leather goods and you can see can take a | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
long time, particularly if there is not much enthusiasm for it at all. | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
If you are starting, as we do come with the rest of Europe, with zero | :55:46. | :55:50. | |
tariffs on both sides and common product standards, zero to zero can | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
be negotiated in a very short space of time I would've thought, compared | :55:55. | :56:00. | |
with 10,000 different tariff lines which are involved in other tariff | :56:01. | :56:05. | |
agreements, so it should not take long goodwill on both sides to | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
negotiate a free trade, continuing free-trade deal. I'm afraid the | :56:09. | :56:13. | |
honourable member has burnt his boats. There is another myth, which | :56:14. | :56:26. | |
is, I'm afraid, actually proffered my right honourable friend the | :56:27. | :56:30. | |
Foreign Secretary. That is that we will need to re-negotiate the trade | :56:31. | :56:37. | |
agreement with all the countries with which the EU currently has | :56:38. | :56:42. | |
trade agreements. That is not the case. There is an accepted principle | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
in international law, the principle of continuity, that if a political | :56:48. | :56:52. | |
unit splits in two parts, like the Soviet Union did, for example, or | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
Czechoslovakia did, then the component parts continue with that | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
agreement unless one party objects to it. There is absolutely no reason | :57:01. | :57:09. | |
to suppose that the countries with which we currently are party to free | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
trade agreements will want when that free trade agreement. For a example, | :57:16. | :57:20. | |
when the Soviet Union broke up it then was not a member of the WTO so | :57:21. | :57:25. | |
it had traded under separate trade agreements, I'll come to an end in a | :57:26. | :57:30. | |
minute, with other countries. Those trade agreements automatically | :57:31. | :57:35. | |
motivated so that even America within greets -- not weeks had | :57:36. | :57:40. | |
motivated its agreements to Russia and other successor states. I am | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
under pressure to finish so I will try to do so. Just one final world | :57:47. | :57:51. | |
if I may on the single market. It is often talked about as if it is some | :57:52. | :57:59. | |
arcane inner sanctum. It is simply the European market. It is like the | :58:00. | :58:04. | |
American single market. We have no agreement with the American single | :58:05. | :58:08. | |
market and we are not members of the American single market, but it is | :58:09. | :58:12. | |
our biggest trading party nationally in the world. All the single market | :58:13. | :58:16. | |
consisted of was standardising the product specification so instead of | :58:17. | :58:22. | |
having to have 20 ranges of refrigerator or lawn mower or | :58:23. | :58:25. | |
whatever, you have one, and that is very sensible. It is just as much an | :58:26. | :58:33. | |
advantage to an exporter from outside the EU exporting | :58:34. | :58:35. | |
refrigerators or lawn mower was into the EU as it is for member states | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
within it. And actually they have taken more advantage of it than we | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
have and exports have gone up more than ours have, perhaps because they | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
don't have to bear the burden of EU regulations on 100% of their firms, | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
but only on those aspects of their activities carried out the EU. That | :58:55. | :58:58. | |
is another aspect of the benefits that we would get from leaving, | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
along with our ability to negotiate free-trade agreements with a | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
fast-growing protected market in the world, on whom our children's future | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
will depend. After this next speech, we are now on a five-minute limit. | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
Caroline Flint. It is a pleasure to follow The Right Honourable member | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
for Hitchin and Harpenden speak on the debate. He has added to my 57 | :59:22. | :59:27. | |
varieties of what the future might be if we leave the European Union it | :59:28. | :59:30. | |
when it comes to our trading arrangements. Like the Foreign | :59:31. | :59:33. | |
Secretary he was right when he said that few people say they love the | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
EU, but many like me passionately love our country and like me they | :59:38. | :59:41. | |
believe Britain is a strong country, one | :59:42. | :59:53. | |
of the great nations and a force for good and our status as the fifth | :59:54. | :59:57. | |
largest economic power is not undermined by 40 years of EU | :59:58. | :59:59. | |
membership, rather it has been sustained and enhanced by it. The | :00:00. | :00:02. | |
league campaign have no credible answers to the question of what we | :00:03. | :00:04. | |
gain economically by leaving, and those voters who have not decided | :00:05. | :00:07. | |
yet often raise their concerns about the uncertain place Britain may | :00:08. | :00:13. | |
occupy after the 23rd if we leave. I don't believe that uncertainty is a | :00:14. | :00:17. | |
price worth paying. Unless the governor of the bank of England and | :00:18. | :00:22. | |
almost every independent economic forecast are wrong, the UK will lose | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
business, trade, jobs and investment, if we leave, landing the | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
government with lower tax revenues, and that means less for our | :00:32. | :00:35. | |
hospitals and schools. Even Brexit campaigners acknowledge there will | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
be an economic shock while they plan to spend fantasy money ten times | :00:40. | :00:44. | |
over. I appreciate how difficult it is for my constituents and many | :00:45. | :00:48. | |
others to see the wood for the trees. Some of the claims and | :00:49. | :00:52. | |
counterclaims from both sides have not helped, but my first concern is | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
not for the wealthy because they will survive whatever the outcome. | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
The leave campaign likes to suggest that it is only in the interest of | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
the big corporate companies, the wealthy and the establishment, to | :01:04. | :01:09. | |
remain. I suppose as MPs we are all part of the establishment, but if I | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
was not, I would not be, none of my family is. It is black background, | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
wanting the best for my constituents, and living in | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
Doncaster for nearly 20 years that causes me so much concern about how | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
ordinary families should pray the price if we leave. When I was a | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
child only the well-off could fly abroad. Today we have cheap air | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
travel, we can stay in touch with home without a ?300 head they'll -- | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
phone bill and we have guarantees to enjoy holidays and we have a | :01:39. | :01:45. | |
European health card to ensure access to health treatment anywhere | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
in the EU. They are helped to afford those holidays because their | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
shopping and other bills are cheaper and more jobs are available because | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
of our EU membership. I don't want people to exist just to work, but | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
through their opportunity to work I want them to be able to enjoy life | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
as well. In Yorkshire 250,000 jobs are directly linked to the EU. | :02:08. | :02:15. | |
Siemens is investing ?160 and offshore wind manufacturing. Many | :02:16. | :02:22. | |
small and medium-size businesses in Europe and it is in the interests of | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
our region and our country to stay and it is those jobs and rights and | :02:27. | :02:30. | |
benefits and the enjoyment that we get from them which we must protect. | :02:31. | :02:36. | |
The last Labour government signed up to the social chapter, ensuring | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
every worker won the right to four weeks paid holiday. Nationally we | :02:41. | :02:45. | |
added bank holidays on top. A good example of how we can improve | :02:46. | :02:49. | |
workers' rights really EU and as a sovereign nation as well. We forget | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
this because it is so long ago, 7 million more people gained paid | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
holidays or enhance their holidays as a result of that change. Voting | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
to leave the EU means hard-won rights are at risk because we know | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
some of the biggest cheerleaders for Brexit see protections for ordinary | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
British workers as red tape to be binned. They will use immigration as | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
a reason to leave the EU but they don't want to tackle the | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
exploitation of foreign workers that affect British workers as well. | :03:21. | :03:25. | |
Immigration has become the place for people who want to leave to place | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
the blame but the failing is not the European Union, it is ours. I have | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
spoken out about insecurities that jobs and housing services in the | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
future, especially in the parts of Britain, like the Don Valley, where | :03:37. | :03:40. | |
we don't live in metropolitan cities. People for whom the benefits | :03:41. | :03:46. | |
of globalisation seem to pass their town by and work for many has become | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
a way to insecure. These people are not racist, they want fairness. The | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
benefits of immigration to employers and the tax take of the Treasury are | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
matched by support for communities and additional pressures on housing | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
and schools and health services will. We can openly dosed -- discuss | :04:06. | :04:10. | |
the benefits of migration including the businesses and jobs migrants | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
have created in Britain, but not ignore it when it is causing | :04:14. | :04:17. | |
problems as well. We need to know, is it a perception of reality that | :04:18. | :04:20. | |
British people are not getting the jobs filled by European migrants? | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
British beanpole being turned down or are they not applying? I give | :04:26. | :04:31. | |
way. On the very point that she is raising, I mentioned earlier that a | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
very large number of people in the adult social care workforce were not | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
born in the UK and that sector has a 5% vacancy rate because people are | :04:42. | :04:45. | |
not applying because of the poor terms and conditions. That partly | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
answers that. Is she is concerned as I am that the care sector could | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
collapse if there were further restrictions on the people that come | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
to work here. My honourable friend is absolutely right. In Yorkshire | :05:00. | :05:03. | |
alone something like 2000 EU migrants working in health and | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
social care. Sometimes we have to look at the nature of the work that | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
is going on here and why it is that actually these insecure areas that | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
are poorly paid are using migrant workers that is not only exploiting | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
them but not doing much for the users of those services either. | :05:19. | :05:26. | |
If the honourable lady aware that the Labour Government introduced | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
here are three in 2008, which is an skilled migration from outside the | :05:31. | :05:37. | |
EU. -- an skilled migration. It has been closed ever since. Will she | :05:38. | :05:44. | |
speculate on where we will get unskilled labour in the future when | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
we no longer have people coming to fill those jobs that British people | :05:49. | :05:55. | |
do not want. What I will say is there. We need a future where social | :05:56. | :06:03. | |
care is not burly head. -- Purley paid. That is the challenge. That is | :06:04. | :06:08. | |
what we have to take ownership for as a country and not blame the EU | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
for the problems on her doorstep. There is fraud and there is paying | :06:13. | :06:16. | |
off the books, but that happens with British people do. Working illegally | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
with bad employers and sometimes criminal organisations behind them | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
calling the shots. Change is not as easy as some for others. To leave | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
will not solve that. The Coalition Government was wrong to abolish the | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
migration impacts fund, and freedom to movement should be freedom to | :06:39. | :06:43. | |
work. It is good news that the much maligned European Court of Justice | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
has ruled that is absolutely right that EU member state should be | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
allowed to withhold benefits. Let's be honest. Young Brits do not too | :06:51. | :06:56. | |
up-to-date to pick crops or work in social care. The greatest deceit | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
from the league campaign is that the UK can keep all the access to the EU | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
single market but not allow EU workers to work here. But if we | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
restrict EU workers to water, why would the Brits who work in Europe | :07:10. | :07:15. | |
not the similar restrictions. Nonmembers do not get better deals. | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
Why would they offer a better deal, better than any of the other 27 | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
members? That would be a recipe for every country to leave. Most of all, | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
let us not let the Leave campaign claim they are more patriotically | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
than those who want to remain. We must not let them. I love Britain, | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
and we will continue to be a strong, proud nation. But we are stronger | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
and better off as members of the European Union. Can I just say that | :07:44. | :07:50. | |
I have got to announce the results. Order, order. I have no to knows the | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
result on the question related to book call Government. The ayes were | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
278. The noes workforce. Of those members resenting assiduously is in | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
England, the ayes where... The ayes have it. We are now introducing the | :08:08. | :08:14. | |
five-minute limit. I have one very simple message as we approach the | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
last week of this referendum campaign. It is this. People fought | :08:20. | :08:27. | |
and died for the right to be able to govern themselves. People fought and | :08:28. | :08:34. | |
died for our democracy. It is born democracy and that everything else | :08:35. | :08:44. | |
depends. -- it is upon democracy. The people fought and died for the | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
right to govern themselves, and everything else depends upon that, | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
including the economic arguments. If you get this issue wrong, if the | :08:53. | :09:00. | |
British people vote to stay in the European Union, I would urge them to | :09:01. | :09:09. | |
consider the consequences for future generations. We have, as a result of | :09:10. | :09:15. | |
successive leaderships, throughout the whole of the period since 1972, | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
giving away more and more of our powers to govern ourselves. The | :09:21. | :09:30. | |
consequences of that, if, as I may say, I predicted in 1990, when I | :09:31. | :09:35. | |
brought about about the subject when the Maastricht Treaty was going on, | :09:36. | :09:39. | |
and I said there will be protests and riots throughout Europe, there | :09:40. | :09:44. | |
will be massive unemployment, there will be recession, waves of | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
immigration, there will be a breach of the rule of law, the rise of the | :09:51. | :09:57. | |
foreign rights. Those are the things that I was concerned about then and | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
I remain concerned about them now. -- the rise of the far right. The | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
direction in which this European Union is being taken is putting the | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
United Kingdom, our voters, our people, in the second tier of the | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
2-tier Europe, which is dominated increasingly through the Eurozone | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
and through the excessive economic nationalism of the German system of | :10:25. | :10:32. | |
economic Government. Look at what is happening in Greece. I would simply | :10:33. | :10:40. | |
say this. Will people please bear in mind that the consequences in | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
relation to the single market are demonstrated by what I said in an | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
earlier intervention. It goes something like this. We run a trade | :10:49. | :10:56. | |
deficit or boss, with the other 27 member states, of ?67.8 billion a | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
year, which has gone up by 10 billion in this last year alone, and | :11:01. | :11:07. | |
I would also add that our trade surplus with the rest of the world | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
has gone up by about 10 billion this year alone, 231 billion. That is the | :11:12. | :11:20. | |
trajectory. European growth is going down. -- it has gone up to 31 | :11:21. | :11:33. | |
billion. In Europe as a whole, the youth unemployment is as high as | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
60%. This is a complete disgrace. I would say by contrast, beer in mind | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
that the German trade surplus, with the same 27 member states, is in | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
fact running at 81.8 Lian, and has gone up by as much as 18 billion in | :11:49. | :11:54. | |
the last year alone. -- 80 1.8 billion. That is the trajectory. | :11:55. | :11:57. | |
That is what these third-rate so-called economists are ignoring. | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
They are the ones who got it wrong over and over again. They got it | :12:04. | :12:08. | |
wrong at Maastricht, over the euro, over the ERM. The member from | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
Hallen, listening to his nostalgic nonsense is absolutely absurd, | :12:14. | :12:17. | |
because it is evident that those who got it wrong are trying to mislead | :12:18. | :12:25. | |
people yet again into saying... I will give way to the honourable | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
lady. I am grateful to him for giving way, not least because he | :12:32. | :12:35. | |
might have the opportunity for giving some answers to some very | :12:36. | :12:38. | |
important questions. The honourable member will be aware that when Iain | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
Duncan Smith was asked of the impact on the economy and GDP of a Brexit, | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
his answer was, we don't know. The honourable member will also be a | :12:48. | :12:51. | |
whale that when Diane James, the Ukip MEP, was asked whether these | :12:52. | :12:56. | |
woods be required, the answer was, we do not know. Given that the | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
answer to every question is, we don't know, perhaps the honourable | :13:02. | :13:04. | |
gentleman could answer these questions now. We need short | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
interventions, not speeches. It is longer than the five minutes. I do | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
know, and it is simple, because I look at the fact that they are now. | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
The facts demonstrate that inside the single market we run a | :13:19. | :13:24. | |
monumental trade deficit, and we have enormous trade surplus with the | :13:25. | :13:27. | |
rest of the world which is growing. That is the future, that is the | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
vision, that is the means by which we will get jobs and ensure the | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
future of our children and our grandchildren. And to conclude, Mr | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
Deputy Speaker, it is very simple. It is about who governs us. If we | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
get this wrong, we will not be able to organise and to establish a | :13:44. | :13:50. | |
democracy in this country, which is what the people fought and died for, | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
not in just one world war but twice. I would simply say to the honourable | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
gentleman who wants to intervene, I will give way one must time. I thank | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
my honourable friend, and I appreciate the laws that his own | :14:07. | :14:10. | |
family suffered in the Second World War. My own family suffered two, and | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
I have the privilege to where the Queen's uniform today. When I see | :14:16. | :14:19. | |
the division and the spreading of heated and brilliant antiforeign | :14:20. | :14:22. | |
messages that you're from some people in our country today, I | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
wonder whether there are talking about peace or stirring the pot. -- | :14:28. | :14:33. | |
the very limit antiforeign messages that I hear. I do believe in peace, | :14:34. | :14:43. | |
and I believe in good relations. What really troubles me, however, is | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
when the majority voting system and the decisions are taken behind | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
closed doors are so manifestly undemocratic, it is completely | :14:55. | :14:57. | |
impossible to justify, and it becomes a kind of dictatorship | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
behind closed doors. We in this House make our decisions based upon | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
speeches which are made in public, which are reported, the books are | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
there, we are held accountable. This is now the case in the EU. -- this | :15:12. | :15:18. | |
is not the case in the year. If we give that up, I say to all in the | :15:19. | :15:25. | |
those that they will regret it. This is about democracy above all else. I | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
want to bring this debate are talking about the local level, and | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
to addressing some of the concerns that ordinary people are grappling | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
with in making a decision about what to do on the EU. Many people in my | :15:39. | :15:41. | |
constituency over the last two weeks have said to me they feel angry, | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
they feel that their city has suffered most because of the global | :15:48. | :15:53. | |
recession and the downturn after the banking crisis. We have seen a lot | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
of cuts to public services, had the botched NHS reorganisation, people | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
having to wait longer in A People have concerns about immigration. The | :16:05. | :16:07. | |
slogans the Government views about the Northern Powerhouse are not | :16:08. | :16:10. | |
followed through with any action. So what worries me is the idea that is | :16:11. | :16:16. | |
being put about that somehow magically on June 23, if people vote | :16:17. | :16:19. | |
to leave the EU, all of these issues are going to suddenly disappear, and | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
it is a complete panacea to have membership of the EU and us leaving | :16:26. | :16:30. | |
it. There are four very clear, for me, self-interested reasons why | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
whole, my city, a proud trading city, should vote to remain in the | :16:39. | :16:48. | |
EU. -- why Hull. First of all, the investment we have seen recently | :16:49. | :16:54. | |
from Siemens. ?300 million to invest in building a factory in Hall. 1000 | :16:55. | :17:09. | |
jobs that will serve. Another 2000 jobs from an offshore wind farm. And | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
Siemens believe that being part of the EU is good for you to jobs and | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
respiratory. We have concerns about the possible effects on a boat to | :17:19. | :17:26. | |
Leave. We see the men benefits of EU memberships as tariff free access to | :17:27. | :17:34. | |
a free market that produces business costs, and access to EU wide | :17:35. | :17:39. | |
innovation and research in restive, which are helping to shape the | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
industries of the future. These help make Britain a better place to do | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
business, not just for Siemens but for companies across our supply | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
chain and beyond. I want to raise the issue of caravans. Caravans are | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
manufactured in East Yorkshire, and in the last year, in the HSBC Sunday | :17:56. | :18:05. | |
Times 200 league for industrial international tracking, they found | :18:06. | :18:08. | |
that exports to Holland and Germany had increased by 21%. That is again | :18:09. | :18:14. | |
because that market is open and available to us. Thirdly, | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
pharmaceuticals. Hull is the home of Smith and nephew and others. The | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
boys have already said if we leave the EU there is a real risk to the | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
UK form suitable industry. We have access at the moment a 5p of | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
research, and that would not be open to us if we left. -- eight 5p of | :18:35. | :18:43. | |
research. We also have access to the medicines initiative that would not | :18:44. | :18:51. | |
be open to us. 1000 staff are employed in academic and research | :18:52. | :18:56. | |
posts at Hull University. They have had EU funding in recent years and | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
are part of the ?209 of EU funded research that is available to | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
British universities. The vice Chancellor at Hull University said | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
there is huge value as being at the EU table. If you are in the club, | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
you get the greatest chance to shape the programmes. If we were not in | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
the club, we would not have that opportunity. So when the end, this | :19:19. | :19:22. | |
referendum, the power is with the people, not with members of | :19:23. | :19:26. | |
Parliament. But the last thing that my constituents in whole need is a | :19:27. | :19:32. | |
home-grown, self-inflicted recession and years of uncertainty and | :19:33. | :19:36. | |
instability. We know the effect of recession will be much harder and | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
stronger in places like Hull than it will be in Surrey Heath or Oxbridge. | :19:41. | :19:48. | |
As the UK struggles to negotiate a trading relationship with the EU, | :19:49. | :19:51. | |
I'm sure we will find that we will still have to contribute to the EU | :19:52. | :19:55. | |
budget, we will still have to accept free movement of labour, an issue I | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
know many people have genuine concerns about. But they have no say | :20:00. | :20:05. | |
and have shaping the EU's future direction on this or other issues. | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
-- but we will have no say. Whatever happens on July 23, I will continue | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
fighting for Hull as I have done until now. But I just asked that | :20:16. | :20:23. | |
people when making this decision, in Hull, if they choose to vote to | :20:24. | :20:27. | |
leave the EU, it will make that task of standing up for the city even | :20:28. | :20:28. | |
harder. I want to make a short contribution | :20:29. | :20:39. | |
about the effect of the EU and economic viability of our fishing | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
industry. I would like to congratulate all of those special | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
and taken part in the Fort a the Thames today to make sure we hear | :20:49. | :20:54. | |
where they stand. Us foretell R. Our fishing industry is a ghost of its | :20:55. | :20:58. | |
former self and before we joined the EU we had a successful fishing | :20:59. | :21:06. | |
industry. I remember in South East Cornwall seeing fishing boats moored | :21:07. | :21:12. | |
34 people from the quayside. I do not see that today. -- three or four | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
deep. While fishing is no longer at the highest employee at people come | :21:20. | :21:22. | |
to traditional fishing pounds and expected feet fish landed. You | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
highlight the often mention is tasting fresh from an award winning | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
restaurant or buying fresh catch from a fishmonger 's. I ask what we | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
would soon as we water fishing? In 1971, before we joined the EU -- | :21:40. | :21:46. | |
where would we be without fishing. Bringing home a lot of fish and | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
employing 21,000 people. Last year we got 600,000 tonnes were under | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
12,000 fishermen. According to a report coordinator by the economic | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
's Foundation that amounted to about 12% would mean 2003 and 2013 in | :22:04. | :22:09. | |
number of fishermen. My late husband Neal was one of them. Forced to fish | :22:10. | :22:16. | |
alone on his boat as a result of the economic pressures due to the | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
reducing quotas and still trying to meet costs of increasing insurance, | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
landing charges, not to mention repair costs. The report attributes | :22:26. | :22:32. | |
the major factors causing employment to be traced to a declining number | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
of fishing vessels due to the forced scrapping imposed by successive | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
governments to meet artificial targets imposed by the European | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
Commission. Vessels investing in new technology, the latter point may be | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
true for larger vessels who operate with several deckhands but is not | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
the case for small fishermen like Neal. It was a simple economic | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
decision taken because he could not sell and land the fresh at slam into | :23:00. | :23:05. | |
his net. Mr Deputy Speaker, the report also says the trend of | :23:06. | :23:10. | |
declining fishing vessels and fishermen is likely to continue | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
going forward. What the report does not mention is the declining quotas | :23:18. | :23:22. | |
the EU set each year. However it is one example with the new date | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
getting 10% of the total allowable catch whilst Franciscus 70%. The | :23:28. | :23:31. | |
same applies to many other species in other areas. -- while France get | :23:32. | :23:41. | |
70%. Would you go into a bank alongside a Frenchman each with a | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
bundle bundle of notes valued at ?70. The Frenchman invests the ?70 | :23:46. | :23:56. | |
while you through ?60 into the bin and invest ?10. That is essentially | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
what fishermen are being forced to do today thanks to the quotas. | :24:00. | :24:11. | |
I thank my honourable friend and Robert in this house know very well | :24:12. | :24:18. | |
-- all of us know very well the story about the honourable lady's | :24:19. | :24:23. | |
husband. How much increasing capacity with the fishermen get if | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
we left the EU? -- would the fishermen get? | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
He makes a good point and I will come onto that. I won't get into | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
arguments with those who want to remain an further sacrifice this | :24:40. | :24:44. | |
industry. And also abandon the economic well-being of our coastal | :24:45. | :24:49. | |
fishing pounds which would disproportionately be affected. | :24:50. | :24:52. | |
Whilst I cannot say Neal died as a result of this quota I can say it | :24:53. | :24:57. | |
contributed to the economic pressure he felt when deciding to fish alone. | :24:58. | :25:01. | |
The time we talked about it and decided to better work less rough | :25:02. | :25:10. | |
one water than have to work in storms to provide. What I say today | :25:11. | :25:16. | |
is through the fishermen a lifeline. Our fisheries minister has been at | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
the bottles and seen for himself how little he can deliver. -- been to | :25:22. | :25:35. | |
Brussels. If we vote And leave, in response to my honourable friend, | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
our fisheries minister would be able to make the decisions that apply to | :25:39. | :25:51. | |
fishermen in the UK. If, as someone who has breathed and live the UK | :25:52. | :25:58. | |
fishing industry for around 30 years, I'd say there are no economic | :25:59. | :26:04. | |
benefit to the UK fishermen from membership of the EU. Around 92% of | :26:05. | :26:10. | |
fishermen are calling for the UK to leave. I say, let's throw them a | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
lifeline and vote Leave and take control of our 200 mile limit. 80% | :26:16. | :26:24. | |
of the total EU pond. We could take control of that. We wouldn't | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
necessarily have to say to other member states, you can't fish are | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
not whoppers, but it would on our terms and not -- in our waters. And | :26:32. | :26:41. | |
not 28 countries around the table from a proposal from unelected | :26:42. | :26:47. | |
European Commission in Brussels. Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. | :26:48. | :26:57. | |
In 1979I was among the first elected members of the European Parliament. | :26:58. | :27:01. | |
I supported withdrawing from the common market. Those were the days | :27:02. | :27:08. | |
of butter mountains, and out of control agricultural policy | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
subsidising oil production and dumping on world markets. It was | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
some years before the development of the social chapter which got | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
legislation for workers' rights and equality. That was not European | :27:23. | :27:30. | |
environment policy at that time. -- there was no. After working with | :27:31. | :27:33. | |
colleagues in the European Parliament and came to a different | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
conclusion. In 1982 over at an article in the new statesman title, | :27:39. | :27:43. | |
why I changed my mind on the common market. Now, in 2016, I read another | :27:44. | :27:53. | |
article in the New Statesman which is, why are still support remaining | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
in the EU. The argument I made them are still true. Then, as now, our | :27:58. | :28:03. | |
socialist and social Democratic colleagues in the European | :28:04. | :28:08. | |
Parliament urged us to remain, working with them for a better | :28:09. | :28:14. | |
future for jobs, security and workers' rights. One of my concerns | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
then was about European action to save the steel industry and today we | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
are still battling to save it, particularly in Wales. It is | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
important for workers in multinational companies to have | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
information about management plans foreclosures on mergers and European | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
legislation has helped improve these rights to information. None of us | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
would claim the EU is perfect but it is not unique in this. These jobs, | :28:44. | :28:52. | |
workers' and consumers' rights, the environment are safer if we stand | :28:53. | :28:55. | |
together as constructive members of the EU. My party has always been an | :28:56. | :29:02. | |
internationalist party. Those of what Brexit would swiftly make a | :29:03. | :29:06. | |
bonfire of hard-won rights if we left. They considered for weeks' | :29:07. | :29:13. | |
holiday, maternity and paternity leave, equality of health and safety | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
legislation. And much more, to be similar to red tape to be dispensed | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
with. Standing up to globalisation was always a pipe dream which | :29:25. | :29:29. | |
requires nations to cooperate. Likewise, the pressures of | :29:30. | :29:33. | |
immigration will not fade if we go it alone. We live in difficult times | :29:34. | :29:37. | |
were many people are giving discontented. To help combat this, | :29:38. | :29:42. | |
the way forward for Britain is to continue to work with the EU for | :29:43. | :29:49. | |
more reforms. We see reforming and modernising the EU in solidarity | :29:50. | :29:52. | |
with continental socialists and social Democrats as an ongoing | :29:53. | :29:58. | |
process. To those who advocate developing hundreds of individual | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
trade deals, do they really expect we would achieve better than as part | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
of the world's's largest trading bloc? Would be achieved better terms | :30:12. | :30:24. | |
for the TTIP than the EU can? And strong member states to ensure | :30:25. | :30:27. | |
protection from rampant multinationals? I doubt it. We | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
benefit enormously from European cooperation funding for research, | :30:33. | :30:37. | |
regional development, cultural projects and agricultural support as | :30:38. | :30:41. | |
well as peace and free trade. The EU has always been at the forefront of | :30:42. | :30:45. | |
working to protect human rights in the world. In Wales, EU countries | :30:46. | :30:57. | |
are 41% of Wales' exports. 5 billion a year to others. Companies invest | :30:58. | :31:01. | |
here because we are in the EU, giving them direct access to the | :31:02. | :31:09. | |
largest single market. If we believe we will soon see our big firms | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
switching investment to continental Europe. Mr Deputy Speaker, I say we | :31:15. | :31:26. | |
better together. Those celebrating if we left include such unsavoury | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
characters as Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, Nigel Farage and a bunch of | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
climate change deniers with no intention of working towards a | :31:36. | :31:40. | |
better future for the most vulnerable in our society. | :31:41. | :31:42. | |
Prosperity and collective security. If we want at society that works for | :31:43. | :31:50. | |
all, not just a few, we are better off within the EU. | :31:51. | :31:58. | |
The fact of the matter is that a referendum would not be a useful | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
exercise if we were not a sovereign nation because we couldn't implement | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
the outcome. That proves we are sovereign. The question is what do | :32:07. | :32:11. | |
we do with our sovereignty and to influence our neighbours? What do we | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
do to advance our national interests? Because we are a vibrant, | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
ambitious and decent society we must do that within the EU and I will | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
explain why. It is because it is about the future, it is not some | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
blast to the past, it is this country thinking about what we do | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
for our people beyond today. Take trade. We heard a lot about trade | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
today. The fact is we export twice as much to the Neverland as we do to | :32:39. | :32:44. | |
China. That is a fact. -- the Neverland 's. What does the EU -- | :32:45. | :32:54. | |
the Neverland 's. -- Holland. The EU is the world's largest market. It is | :32:55. | :33:01. | |
nearly twice the size of China. Yet we were thinking of leaving. That | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
would be madness. The people we trade with most of the people most | :33:07. | :33:13. | |
like us and most going to benefit from us as well. That is the trade | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
argument. Then we come to investment. In my constituency and | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
over in most of yours there are examples of powerful intervention | :33:23. | :33:30. | |
from the EU through investors. That matters and 48% of our foreign | :33:31. | :33:38. | |
direct investment comes from the EU. That equals jobs. It equals rising | :33:39. | :33:45. | |
wages. It equals opportunity for our young people. That takes me on to | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
the question of our universities. Opportunities for young people | :33:52. | :33:55. | |
through developing careers at the universities and opportunities for | :33:56. | :33:58. | |
young people who don't want to go to university. The fact is, the | :33:59. | :34:03. | |
opportunity they can have through moving around Europe is immense and | :34:04. | :34:08. | |
vibrant for them and great for our economy. Do you want your young | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
people to be stuck here when others are arriving somewhere else? Dictate | :34:14. | :34:19. | |
what about migration. It is a two-way street. You -- take the | :34:20. | :34:25. | |
point. There are just as many people coming here to help us with our | :34:26. | :34:32. | |
skills as people coming from here to there to make money for this | :34:33. | :34:35. | |
economy. There are nearly 2 million Britons living and working in the EU | :34:36. | :34:39. | |
and benefiting from the opportunities we gain from being in | :34:40. | :34:44. | |
a single market. Does he agree with me the majority | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
of EU citizens come to this country come to work hard, pay their taxes | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
and better the lives and families' lives and the majority are not here | :34:56. | :34:56. | |
to scrounge. Absolutely. Some of the factories | :34:57. | :35:03. | |
and my constituency could not do as much as they do it without the kind | :35:04. | :35:05. | |
of skills they get from the EU. My honourable friend is absolutely | :35:06. | :35:19. | |
right, yes. Does the honourable member agree with me that in some | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
quarters, this referendum has been allowed to descend into a pseudo- | :35:25. | :35:30. | |
referendum about immigration, and for the Remain side to win, we need | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
to show leadership over the next week, bring forward the positive | :35:36. | :35:40. | |
case for remaining in Europe, and shoot the right-wing Brexit fox that | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
is the scaremongering about immigration. You are absolutely | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
right. I was going to want to ship, but I will tackle it now. The fact | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
is, the EU has benefited from Britain's membership many times in | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
the past. It was the British Government that drove through the | :35:59. | :36:02. | |
single market, and that major country like Poland could come in | :36:03. | :36:05. | |
with all those opportunities. Don't forget that when I was born, that | :36:06. | :36:10. | |
country was actually within the Soviet Union Empire, place were | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
liberal democracy was nonexistent and where growth and economic | :36:14. | :36:17. | |
opportunity could not take place. And yet we have managed to get that | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
country into a position where it is totally democratic and absolutely | :36:22. | :36:27. | |
robust in terms of economy. And that drives are caught and horses through | :36:28. | :36:30. | |
anybody who thinks that being in the EU is somehow a gesture of being | :36:31. | :36:37. | |
undemocratic or inviting democracy to be challenged, because the | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
reality is, when Britain shows leadership, and we have in the past, | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
it has been good for Europe. But of course, obviously, good for us. So | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
when we win this referendum campaign, and I certainly hope we | :36:52. | :36:54. | |
do, we need to be thinking precisely about that positive case, | :36:55. | :36:58. | |
demonstrating it is not just a question of sniping from the | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
sidelines by getting involved, setting the agenda, working with our | :37:02. | :37:05. | |
allies and insuring that the people we represent actually can continue | :37:06. | :37:09. | |
to benefit from the good things that the European Union has brought. The | :37:10. | :37:18. | |
fact, of course, is all organisations need to be reformed. | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
The other day I was told to move my car. For some reason I still have | :37:23. | :37:27. | |
not quite understood. But this House needs to reform. All organisations | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
need to reform and the EU is no exception. But you know what? The | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
key thing is this. We are the ones to drive those reforms. We are the | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
ones that should be actually constructing the alliances to push | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
through the kind of Europe that we want, which is competitive, | :37:47. | :37:49. | |
recognises freedom, which is actually at the heart of reporting | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
liberal democracy, not just within the European Union but beyond, | :37:55. | :37:59. | |
because it is a question of international impact that also has | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
to be borne in mind here. Europe is the world's largest single market, | :38:04. | :38:07. | |
but it is also a place of huge influence in the world as well. We | :38:08. | :38:15. | |
in Britain want to be part of that, to shape that influence, develop | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
that influence, and that is why every single US president has told | :38:20. | :38:23. | |
us in one way or another, we should be a member of the European Union. | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
That is why every single commonwealth leader has told us that | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
we should be in the European Union. And that is why the only two that I | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
can think of that are casting some doubt on this matter are the readers | :38:38. | :38:42. | |
of North Korea and the Russian Federation. If that is the support | :38:43. | :38:47. | |
group of the Leave campaign, I'm saying. -- the leaders of North | :38:48. | :38:52. | |
Korea and the Russian Federation. It is essential we talk about that | :38:53. | :38:55. | |
positive case and do so from opposition, not of apology or of | :38:56. | :39:02. | |
some kind of tepid hope, but from ambition for our country and our | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
young people, so that they know what we actually really think, I believe, | :39:08. | :39:12. | |
that I purchase a bidding internationally with a clear agenda | :39:13. | :39:19. | |
and with determination -- I purchase a bidding internationally, a | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
determination to turn away from narrow-mindedness and concern about | :39:24. | :39:30. | |
that or groups of people, instead think big, think about this country, | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
because we have the capacity to really have an exciting future with | :39:34. | :39:39. | |
that drive behind us. I would like to begin by echoing the comments | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
about the Shadow Chancellor today in opening this debate, particularly in | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
regards to the rates of people in this country have as a result of our | :39:51. | :39:54. | |
membership of the year. I am delighted to hear a strong, positive | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
case for the bird people to remain for strong labour reasons, and not | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
just for Labour reasons but in the interests of everybody in this | :40:05. | :40:09. | |
country. I want to speak directly to my constituents today, about what | :40:10. | :40:13. | |
they care about and what I care about. And about what they have sent | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
your to do now for the last three general elections. First I want to | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
acknowledge the confusion, anxiety and even anger that my constituents | :40:22. | :40:25. | |
will feel with regard to the European Union. I understand that | :40:26. | :40:29. | |
anger. I understand that frustration, and for over 25 years | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
now, like the rest of the country, my constituents have listened to | :40:35. | :40:38. | |
incredible, outrageous lies about the European Union and our place | :40:39. | :40:43. | |
within it, from the straight bananas to any number of inventive | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
stupidities. And people like me who believe in the benefits to our | :40:47. | :40:53. | |
country of the EU are largely to blame for this. We have never taken | :40:54. | :40:57. | |
it on or hold it out. We have rolled our eyes and shoulder shoulders and | :40:58. | :41:00. | |
been shy about taking on the lies, and now we are seemingly paying the | :41:01. | :41:06. | |
price. But it will be constituencies like mine that will overwhelmingly | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
suffer the most if we bought to leave the European Union. There are | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
significant areas of concern to the area as a whole if we bought to | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
leave. This is whether of our tribal call NHS, our economic future, | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
particularly the nuclear industry, our security, and our environment. | :41:27. | :41:31. | |
-- this is with regard to our local NHS. The honourable member speaks | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
characteristically eloquently about the north-west of our country. Can I | :41:38. | :41:43. | |
ask him to explain further why we must be attention to those areas of | :41:44. | :41:48. | |
our country that are geographically the furthest away from metropolitan | :41:49. | :41:51. | |
centres? We absolutely do have to pay I think special attention and a | :41:52. | :42:03. | |
ever were globalised world to do is those peripheral areas that have | :42:04. | :42:13. | |
been increasingly marginalised for too long now. I have to say as well | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
as whatever happens with regard to this referendum, this country is | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
changed fundamentally, permanently, as a result of it. The conversation | :42:20. | :42:28. | |
we need to have the 90s, the north-west, the south-west and other | :42:29. | :42:31. | |
peripheral economies in the UK, but particularly England, now has to be | :42:32. | :42:39. | |
a pivotal part of the national conversation going forward. With | :42:40. | :42:42. | |
regard to the NHS, alongside my constituents I have campaigned for | :42:43. | :42:47. | |
years to protect local health services. We have built a new | :42:48. | :42:53. | |
hospital in Whitehaven, new health centre, we have developed and | :42:54. | :43:02. | |
expanded health services, get enormous challenges remain. The | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
policies of the Conservative Government deprives our community of | :43:08. | :43:14. | |
the necessary improvement and recruitment. It is clear that the | :43:15. | :43:17. | |
economic damage that will be done to our country by reading the EU will | :43:18. | :43:20. | |
be felt right across the NHS in Cumbria. Make no mistake, and | :43:21. | :43:25. | |
already intolerable situation would become worse, and the Conservative | :43:26. | :43:27. | |
Government would have every excuse it could want to cut, slash and burn | :43:28. | :43:32. | |
local health services in a way in which we have never seen. With | :43:33. | :43:35. | |
regard to our economic future, I have spent over ten years on the | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
project to build a new nuclear power stations in my community, from | :43:41. | :43:45. | |
writing new nuclear policy with the policy unit in 2005, to insuring my | :43:46. | :43:50. | |
community was chosen as a nuclear development site. This project | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
represents the single largest private sector investment bank unity | :43:58. | :44:07. | |
has ever seen. Thousands of jobs. -- that my community has ever seen. The | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
US is pleading with us to stay in the EU, as are Japan and France. | :44:14. | :44:27. | |
This is a consortium of American, Japanese and French companies, so I | :44:28. | :44:32. | |
urge my constituents to do the maths. There are potentially | :44:33. | :44:39. | |
profound implications for the Hinkley Point the project as well. I | :44:40. | :44:43. | |
say to my constituents, stick with our client, stay on course with our | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
project, and do not squander a decade of work and risk our future. | :44:50. | :44:54. | |
Brexit would undoubtedly make us less safe and secure. With the EU | :44:55. | :45:00. | |
drinking, contracting as a result of us leaving, we will cause profound | :45:01. | :45:04. | |
damage to Nato. -- with the EU shrinking. What message will descend | :45:05. | :45:12. | |
to Russia? This is not project fear but project fact. We were told by | :45:13. | :45:20. | |
the former US ambassador to Nato that Brexit represents the greatest | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
threat to security of the United States, the European Union and the | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
Nato area. On the environment, my constituency takes uncommon pride in | :45:30. | :45:33. | |
its natural environment. We have some of the best beaches in the | :45:34. | :45:40. | |
country and the EU has helped to deliver massive improvements to our | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
natural habitats, all of which are visited by thousands of tourists | :45:46. | :45:48. | |
from the EU contributing to our economy every year. Finally, my | :45:49. | :45:55. | |
constituency is special, my constituents are special, we are | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
treating some especial, and a vote for Brexit would threaten at all. -- | :46:00. | :46:05. | |
we are creating something special. A few minutes ago, the member for | :46:06. | :46:12. | |
Strood made a passionate and magnificent speech in support of our | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
membership of the year. He and I have been on the same side in this | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
matter for many years, and I endorse every word that he said. But like | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
the honourable member for Copeland, perhaps I can start by referring to | :46:25. | :46:28. | |
matters which particularly affect my constituents. Bromley and | :46:29. | :46:35. | |
Chislehurst and Greater London has as its greatest employment sector | :46:36. | :46:42. | |
the business and financial sector. 32.4% of my constituents and their | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
families work in the financial services sector. It is critical to | :46:49. | :46:53. | |
the economy locally. That is leaving aside all the jobs in the supply | :46:54. | :46:56. | |
chain that flying on from the income that that provides. It is critical | :46:57. | :47:02. | |
to the London economy, which is a benefit to the whole of the United | :47:03. | :47:07. | |
Kingdom. Leaving the European Union would damage, without any question, | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
the interests of the financial services industry of which written | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
is a world leader. It is an area in which I have taken some interest | :47:16. | :47:19. | |
myself as secretary of the Parliamentary party grip on | :47:20. | :47:24. | |
financial markets. We have a winner here, and we have an opportunity not | :47:25. | :47:27. | |
just to make that survived, but to make it better and stronger in a | :47:28. | :47:33. | |
reformed European Union. That is why when I intervened on the Foreign | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
Secretary, I wanted to stress the importance of the renegotiation | :47:38. | :47:41. | |
achievement by the Prime Minister in achieving to keep things. First of | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
all, the commitment that British financial firms based in the UK, and | :47:47. | :47:50. | |
therefore outside the euro zone, of which we will never be members and | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
where we will never be subject to the internal governance rules or the | :47:56. | :47:59. | |
bailouts, nonetheless will have the very significant advantage of being | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
able to trade freely within the Eurozone and the rest of the single | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
market. That pits us in a unique position, which no other free trade | :48:09. | :48:15. | |
agreement replicates. If we add to that the commitment in that | :48:16. | :48:20. | |
renegotiation for completion of the capital markets union, that gives us | :48:21. | :48:23. | |
a double opportunity to push forward in the area at which we excel. It | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
would be lunacy to walk away from that opportunity. Of course the | :48:29. | :48:33. | |
prime ministers right to say that we could survive outside the European | :48:34. | :48:41. | |
Union. London and financial services industry would survive, my | :48:42. | :48:43. | |
constituents, which are right, but there is a real risk they would be | :48:44. | :48:48. | |
impoverished, and I see nothing patriotic about running the risk of | :48:49. | :48:51. | |
impoverishing my constituents or the people of this country. The | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
honourable gentleman is making a powerful speech and makes an | :48:56. | :48:57. | |
important part of a party at his. Does he agree with me that key to | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
Britain's national security at a time when we are still borrowing as | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
a nation more than the entire defence budget, we need every single | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
penny of public money to ensure that our economy is strong, our finance | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
is strong and our country strong? My honourable friend is absolutely | :49:17. | :49:20. | |
right. The economic interest is a national strategic interests of the | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
United Kingdom. It is a damaging thing to this country for anyone to | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
put that at risk. There is nothing patriotically mad. That Mac | :49:28. | :49:37. | |
patriotically in that. So far I can agree, but some of us remember the | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
referendum in 1975, and if you look at the options that have been put | :49:42. | :49:45. | |
off by those who want to opt out, the reality is those options... | :49:46. | :50:01. | |
I would not like to speculate the of those who, sometimes from genuine | :50:02. | :50:09. | |
belief and sometimes from cynicism, want us to leave the EU. The issue | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
was debated then, we can both remember it. Of course the EU needs | :50:15. | :50:21. | |
reform but any business person will tell you you don't walk away from a | :50:22. | :50:27. | |
major markets you are in because it is not perfect. You stay in there, | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
negotiate, trade and make the market work better. That is a basic common | :50:33. | :50:38. | |
sense and why some people who ought to know better can understand that | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
amazes and mystifies me. I have been a generous giving way and | :50:45. | :50:47. | |
unconscious other people want to speak. And am conscious. That | :50:48. | :50:55. | |
position of the double success for the City of London, it would be a | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
tragedy for this country to turn away from that. The financial | :51:02. | :51:05. | |
service industry, as well as being a key UK asset, is not just about | :51:06. | :51:14. | |
people in the City of London, not just people working in banks and | :51:15. | :51:21. | |
insurance. A successful financial services sector affects every family | :51:22. | :51:25. | |
in this country, every pension fund, the pensions of millions of people, | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
whatever their income situation or previous position in life. To put | :51:31. | :51:37. | |
that at risk is not to damage just that but the whole population. It | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
damages revenue stream that underpins our public services. In my | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
book, I am sorry to have to say to this to some of my friends, it would | :51:48. | :51:53. | |
be profoundly patriotic to leave the EU. -- profoundly patriotic. -- on | :51:54. | :52:07. | |
patriotic. -- not patriotic. Has he considered how leaving the EU might | :52:08. | :52:14. | |
affect manufacturing such as a business and my constituency who | :52:15. | :52:17. | |
wrote to the employees to implore them to vote remain. | :52:18. | :52:22. | |
I am sure my honourable friend is right. I have manufacturers and my | :52:23. | :52:27. | |
constituency and every sector of the British economy would be damaged by | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
Brexit. Uncertainly damages business. Economic uncertainty as | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
well as legal uncertainty. That makes me all the more amazed to see | :52:38. | :52:41. | |
some people who ought to know better than suggest we could somehow | :52:42. | :52:45. | |
introduced some emergency legislation to circumvent the rules | :52:46. | :52:51. | |
laid down in Article 50 of the treaty, if we were to leave. That | :52:52. | :52:58. | |
would be a breach of law and involved the UK being suspended from | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
the European union to lose the protection it gets to our businesses | :53:03. | :53:07. | |
and turning 200 years of British constitutional practice, whereby | :53:08. | :53:13. | |
this country has never unilaterally abrogated its treaty we have entered | :53:14. | :53:20. | |
into. That abuse scandal and I for one would never vote for it. I want | :53:21. | :53:25. | |
to make sure we never get into it. -- that would be a scandal. We must | :53:26. | :53:32. | |
make the positive case for why this country is better, economic, | :53:33. | :53:36. | |
socially and I would suggest, morally or stop we are a broader | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
minded, rather looking, happier and more diverse nation because we are | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
in the EU and I don't want the likes of the vile creature that is you get | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
to drag this country backwards. -- Ukip. | :53:53. | :53:59. | |
I rise to support this motion because, first of all, leaving the | :54:00. | :54:05. | |
EU defies all logic of our emerging global economy. If you look around | :54:06. | :54:12. | |
the world, the emerging global economic superpowers are China, | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
which may well overtake the USA in the next 20 years as the major | :54:18. | :54:22. | |
economic power in the world. India, Brazil coming up as well. As the | :54:23. | :54:28. | |
former chair of the select committee I visited both Brazil and China to | :54:29. | :54:33. | |
see how our businesses were faring in those countries. Some of them | :54:34. | :54:39. | |
were doing very well. JCB has opened a joint venture company in Brazil. | :54:40. | :54:50. | |
GKN copy joint venture in China. The reason for this is because it had of | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
barriers were too high for them to export from their British | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
manufacture base into those markets. We must be quite real, if we are to | :54:59. | :55:06. | |
come out the EU and expand our exports to these countries, we are | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
expanding into countries which, quite justifiably and | :55:13. | :55:16. | |
understandably, are ruthlessly self interested in what they need to do | :55:17. | :55:20. | |
to develop the standard of living in their own country. The idea that | :55:21. | :55:28. | |
somehow, by leaving the EU, we can make up for any potential deficit | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
and our exports to the EU by expending our trade into these | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
developing countries is, quite frankly, fantasy land. The fact is | :55:39. | :55:43. | |
there is nothing we could do afterwards that we are doing now and | :55:44. | :55:50. | |
there is no possible compensatory boost in exports to those countries | :55:51. | :55:56. | |
that would come from leaving the EU. Can I now turn to my own | :55:57. | :56:00. | |
constituency in the West Midlands area. It is a supreme example of the | :56:01. | :56:06. | |
benefits we have had from globalisation and the international | :56:07. | :56:11. | |
movement of capital. If you go back ten or 15 years, the car industry | :56:12. | :56:15. | |
which for many years was the mainstay of local manufacturing, was | :56:16. | :56:21. | |
in a terrible state. Since then, investments, and this mirrors other | :56:22. | :56:29. | |
parts of the country, but my iPod giveaway. | :56:30. | :56:36. | |
He mentioned the motor car industry. If you go back 25 years ago | :56:37. | :56:45. | |
commentary had household names and it is vitally important we remain in | :56:46. | :56:51. | |
Europe so we can develop further the recovery in manufacturing. | :56:52. | :56:53. | |
My honourable friend shares the experience I have on the other side | :56:54. | :57:05. | |
of the West Midlands. The fact is, it was investment, particularly by | :57:06. | :57:09. | |
Tata steel, and Jaguar Land Rover which transformed the manufacturing | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
economy in my constituency and surrounding constituencies. We have | :57:16. | :57:23. | |
the new I54 development, a supreme example of what new manufacturing | :57:24. | :57:29. | |
can, new investment can do in modern motor manufacturing. As a result, | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
the local supply chain has been rejuvenated. However, we have | :57:35. | :57:42. | |
problems. My constituency as more companies than any other single | :57:43. | :57:49. | |
constituency in the country and they comprise a vital part of the supply | :57:50. | :57:57. | |
chain. -- more profound unease. That underpins -- foundries. We have | :57:58. | :58:04. | |
skills shortages. An ageing workforce and those shortages and | :58:05. | :58:10. | |
workforce have been helped by the recruitment of skilled workers from | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
Eastern Europe through the EU. We must be clear, and they say to me, | :58:16. | :58:20. | |
what about them their ability to meet the demands placed on them by | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
this cutting edge technology that we are producing to expand our | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
manufacturing exports would be hampered and jeopardised. | :58:31. | :58:36. | |
I will certainly give way. Is he aware that the vote Leave policy is | :58:37. | :58:41. | |
once we leave we will cease all unskilled migration into this | :58:42. | :58:47. | |
country? Does he think that is even remotely credible? | :58:48. | :58:49. | |
Law. We don't have time to address all the issues that there is lack of | :58:50. | :58:55. | |
immigration policy would outline. -- law. If I can focus on the relevance | :58:56. | :59:03. | |
to my particular constituency. Without those workers our ability to | :59:04. | :59:07. | |
sustain what is a cutting edge manufacturing capacity in this | :59:08. | :59:12. | |
country would be lost. Now, I would be the first to agree we should be | :59:13. | :59:17. | |
pioneering better skills, apprenticeships and so on and I am | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
glad the industry is looking at that but it does not have, at this | :59:23. | :59:27. | |
moment, the capacity to recruit those workers. If the Leave campaign | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
were to carry out the promises they have made on migration then there is | :59:33. | :59:40. | |
a very real prospect that those companies would be starved of the | :59:41. | :59:42. | |
skills they need is and it could well leads to unemployment of the | :59:43. | :59:51. | |
long-standing indigenous population in those industries. Since I have | :59:52. | :59:54. | |
got a few moments I will address some of the wider issues. I find | :59:55. | :00:06. | |
this idea, and Andrew Neil got it out of Nigel Farage eventually, that | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
they would reduce net migration to 50,000. Then they deploy a very | :00:13. | :00:20. | |
seductive arguments that if they stopped migration from Europe they | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
could have more from the non-EU countries which I think is a bitch | :00:24. | :00:34. | |
to our ethnic minority -- eight pitch. -- a pitch. The fact is the | :00:35. | :00:43. | |
being quoted by the league campaign and Nigel in particular would mean | :00:44. | :00:50. | |
there is no way we could recruit the levels of staff needed, both | :00:51. | :00:53. | |
manufacturing industry and the service industry, particularly care | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
industry, highlighted by other members of this today. They are | :01:00. | :01:07. | |
raising a particular issue to try and inflame local and public opinion | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
but only peddling a bogus solution. We have one week to expose them and | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
demonstrates their interests are within the EU and sustaining our | :01:21. | :01:29. | |
current and manufacturing base. It is a pleasure to see you and your | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
place, Madam Deputy Speaker. Over the next few days we will be making | :01:35. | :01:38. | |
the final arguments to decide not only the future of our country but | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
also our continent. We will ask ourselves who we are and who we wish | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
to become. Whatever the answer the people of this country give, it will | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
be for us in this house to apply that decision to the best interests | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
of the nation. Like many on these benches and have made my own views | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
known. I have spoken out from what I believe and what I believe is in the | :02:01. | :02:04. | |
best interests of my community and for our whole nation. I have fought | :02:05. | :02:09. | |
for this country and, despite some of the comment I have heard, I will | :02:10. | :02:13. | |
not be silenced when speaking in its interest. I recognise today that, no | :02:14. | :02:20. | |
matter what we see in this place, it is no longer parliament that the | :02:21. | :02:24. | |
sovereign. It is the people, as it should be. Whatever is decided on | :02:25. | :02:30. | |
the ballot next week that decision will be final. 50% plus one vote | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
will carry the day. To argue otherwise would be to threaten the | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
fabric of our political settlement and undermine the legitimacy of this | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
house. In the days after the referendum I urge all members to | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
remember that and not question the integrity or intelligence of the | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
British people and having expressed their opinion. What may fall is less | :02:52. | :02:59. | |
certain. It will be our job. -- what may follow. We will receive orders, | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
certainly right to carry on, as we used used to say. We should now be | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
thinking about what the vote in front out would mean for this | :03:12. | :03:18. | |
country. I will give way. The EU bureaucracy and regulations | :03:19. | :03:24. | |
has reduced fishing boat in my constituency by 130 bound to 70. Six | :03:25. | :03:30. | |
major processing factories have closed, jobs lost, young people | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
drifting away from the sea. The EU has devastated the fishing sector in | :03:36. | :03:40. | |
my constituency. Does the honourable gentleman agree that if we want to | :03:41. | :03:45. | |
ensure the re-emergence of the fishing sector in the Hall of the UK | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
and northern Ireland we must lead the EU -- Hall of the EU. | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
The honourable member speaks well for its own constituency but the | :03:57. | :04:06. | |
other member who sell most of their catch of muscles to the EU would | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
want to stay end. It is worth listening to the debates of the | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
whole house and the whole UK rather than one group. | :04:15. | :04:21. | |
What we need to do is get ready. The change in the stock market in the | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
past two days show not only the fishing industry is affected by | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
Europe, in some good ways and some bad, but the investment in our | :04:30. | :04:33. | |
entire island is affected and today people are looking at us and | :04:34. | :04:39. | |
wondering what the future will hold. They are understandably concerned | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
that the factors that led to them to putting money into our businesses | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
may not last. The interconnected market, skills base, normal trading | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
agreements are not as permanent as the once thought nor as permanent as | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
the foot a few days ago. The implications and consequences for us | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
are very severe. Some have begun to doubt, what they are wrong, they are | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
wrong to doubt because Britain is a powerful economy and growing | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
economy, despite the undoubted high duties that would follow a Brexit. | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
We will recover, ended the markets, we will once again become a safe | :05:18. | :05:23. | |
haven. But only in comparison to our neighbours. The implication of this | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
integration for the EU itself is extremely concerning. Let us be | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
under no illusion as to why the option to leave is bad for Britain. | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
It is not, sadly, some claim, because Britain is too small, nor is | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
it because we cannot survive any mobilise world, it is clear we are | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
best connected and better integrated with the global economy than other | :05:48. | :05:48. | |
nations. It is because we are the economic | :05:49. | :05:58. | |
leaders of a continent of 500 million people which are crying out | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
for that leadership and the reforms we can offer. It is worth | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
remembering your in this House that this House has shaped the leadership | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
in Europe. We have already from here achieved two very significant | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
reforms. The first under the then Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher | :06:17. | :06:18. | |
steered the competing economies of Europe into a single market. She | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
achieved this against the pressure of many other member states, and | :06:23. | :06:30. | |
extended what Britain needed and needs no - economic relation ships | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
that endure across the continent. The result was a huge boost to the | :06:35. | :06:42. | |
economy, and I welcome my friends for the work he did in that. Another | :06:43. | :06:52. | |
took that and source have the lowest debt in a century because of what | :06:53. | :06:57. | |
the Government achieved. We have extended the boundaries of European | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
cooperation to the borders of Russia. This may seem obvious now, | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
but when I was growing up during the Cold War, the challenge of uniting a | :07:05. | :07:10. | |
continent seemed extraordinary. Germany, no so obviously one nation | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
at peace with her neighbours, was not always so. -- now so obviously. | :07:13. | :07:21. | |
And the unity was opposed by many. I served alongside Estonia's trips in | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
Afghanistan. Lithuania and Latvia further showed what including can | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
achieve in the service of peace. My honourable friend is a busy man. I | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
do not know if he has seen General Smith's comments about the | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
importance and need for co-operation and partnership in today's media. It | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
is a compelling case and underlines the point of my honourable friend is | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
making. I am grateful for my honourable friend who refers to | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
general Smith, one of the great strategists of our generation. His | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
book The Utility Of Force is worth reading. Britain was essential to | :07:58. | :08:00. | |
these, but it was not just for ourselves that we did it, nor just | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
for others. Sure well is good for us all. We prosper when are partners | :08:05. | :08:12. | |
prosper, and we achieved peace when our friends are at peace. So stay or | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
go, we must have a plan, and our allies around the world have | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
invested forgers through our markets and billions in industry and decades | :08:23. | :08:27. | |
in our friendship. They need to know that our promises Kent and that they | :08:28. | :08:30. | |
mean something. They need to know that our agreements will endure. -- | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
that our promises can't. They need to know that if we brought out on | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
this, we are not turning our back on the world, because it will look to | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
them as though we are. So either way, I urge Her Majesty's Government | :08:45. | :08:51. | |
to commit to invested heavily in the Foreign Office over the next years, | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
because the trouble we have caused our friends and allies in this | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
debate, the doubt that we have sold across the world, is so severe that | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
our markets are struggling and we need messengers of hope and pray is | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
to go to these capitals and reassure our friends. Too often we have | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
ignored our allies and laughed at her friends. We must move on, | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
because I have heard so many people talk about patriotism that today, I | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
say, I am a patriot, but this is my land here and it extends beyond the | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
Sea and beyond the cliffs. This is our continent and we must lead it. | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
Deputy Speaker. I think history proves what happens when this | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
country turns its back and stop thinking age in with Europe, and I | :09:39. | :09:44. | |
think that is why most of the world and many of the experts are asking | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
us to remain where we are. -- stops engaging with Europe. Those who say | :09:51. | :09:53. | |
we have to look to the world as well as the EU are correct, and I agree | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
with them. But as part of the biggest and richest single market in | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
the world, if the rest of the world is telling you it is in your best | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
interest to stay in the European Union, then we should listen to | :10:07. | :10:13. | |
them. The USA, China, India, Canada, New Zealand, Japan, all of the | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
Commonwealth have said we should remain where we are. There is not | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
one country which has come out and asked us to leave the EU. Perhaps | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
only Russia and North Korea are the two countries that want us to do | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
that. And then the World Economic Forum 's such as the IMF, the World | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
Trade Organisation, all say the same. Then unite, and other unions | :10:35. | :10:42. | |
say, remain where you are. Nato says, remain where you are. 90% of | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
scientists the remainder. Universities say remain. The Royal | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
College of midwives say the same. Even the Royal Society for the | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
Protection of Birds says stay where you are. If the coalition that says | :10:57. | :11:03. | |
remain stretches from the world superpower to the local | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
bird-watcher, I think we should listen to what they have to say. I | :11:07. | :11:09. | |
want to see 12 things about the north-east of England and the kind | :11:10. | :11:15. | |
of con that I think is being perpetrated on people, not just in | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
the north-east but on this country by the Leave campaign. The | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
north-east is the largest beneficiary of EU grants and | :11:23. | :11:27. | |
subsidies, helping to train our young bebop for work, fund small as | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
this is, universities and agriculture, and helping our economy | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
grow. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said on Monday that | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
leaving the EU would put the Northern Powerhouse and risk. And we | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
now run 2020, the North this is due to receive something like ?800 | :11:46. | :11:52. | |
million from the European Union. -- between now and 2020, the north-east | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
is due to receive. The north-east of England has also benefited | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
dramatically from an word investment. The more successful | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
example, I pay credit to him for his role, as well-paid job in County | :12:05. | :12:16. | |
Durham. Hitachi has come to the north-east of Ingram for two | :12:17. | :12:20. | |
reasons. One is the excellent workforce, and the other is because | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
it is the gateway to Europe and they know that. The business model for | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
that investment, aged ?2 million in my constituency, was predicated on | :12:30. | :12:35. | |
the fact that we are part of the EU. Now what the right campaigners | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
saying, that we shouldn't worry about the money from the EU because | :12:41. | :12:46. | |
they will find the money themselves. -- what the Leave campaign is | :12:47. | :12:55. | |
saying. My constituency, like his, benefit tremendously from European | :12:56. | :12:57. | |
social fund money. Does he agree with me that it's a play is not | :12:58. | :13:01. | |
credible for the Leave campaign to simply say one day that they will | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
replace that money without any sense of where they will get it from. He | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
makes a very good point. I will expand on that further into my | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
speech. The Leave campaign have said, do not worry about it, we can | :13:15. | :13:20. | |
pick up the tab after June 23 of remote to comment. I would say to | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
the people in the north-east, do not listen to them. They cannot do it. | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
It is the biggest con ever. First of all, they are not the Government. | :13:29. | :13:32. | |
They have committed to spending the money we contribute to the EU many | :13:33. | :13:35. | |
times over already. And people who are making these comments are | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
Conservative politicians who for years said there was no money | :13:40. | :13:43. | |
available, but have no suddenly discovered a magical money tree. -- | :13:44. | :13:48. | |
have no suddenly discovered. Like all things to do with magic, it is | :13:49. | :13:56. | |
another gym. Do not fault with it. -- it is an illusion. Do not fall | :13:57. | :14:02. | |
for it. Their own analysis have shown what the figures are that are | :14:03. | :14:11. | |
involved. The Leave campaign have committed to more spending on lots | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
of things. The cost is over ?100 billion. ?100 billion that they do | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
not have. So now we know that is of today, we can see the campaigners | :14:26. | :14:28. | |
for those who want to leave the EU are perpetrating the biggest con on | :14:29. | :14:33. | |
the north-east ever. So I am saying to the people of the north-east | :14:34. | :14:39. | |
again, do not be conned by the Leave campaign's fantasy economics. I fear | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
for the future of our region where I have lived all my life if we leave | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
the EU. Over 50% of our trade is with Europe from the north-east, and | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
it provides over 100,000 jobs. Those two facts alone should make you | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
think twice about leaving. If you think twice and on Saturday sets in, | :14:57. | :15:04. | |
do not do it. Vote to remain. Don't be conned into believing the land of | :15:05. | :15:12. | |
milk and honey awaits us after the referendum, because it doesn't. I | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
want to say this to the people of the north-east. Can you really | :15:17. | :15:18. | |
believe that people who want to leave would give us --, like one to | :15:19. | :15:34. | |
give us the headroom tax and the banks -- the bedroom tax and food | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
banks. They are well people who will remain well of Wetherby voted to | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
remain orderly. I say to the people of the north-east, do not be conned. | :15:44. | :15:52. | |
-- whether we vote to remain or leave. The reason why I will be | :15:53. | :16:03. | |
voting to remain in is because frankly, I do not trust the Germans | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
and the French to run Europe without us being there. Over the last 16 | :16:07. | :16:16. | |
years, both as the parliamentary candidates and more recently as the | :16:17. | :16:21. | |
member of Parliament, I have always sought to try and take a realistic | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
Euro view. I am not a Euro suicidal. I think we should make sure this | :16:29. | :16:34. | |
thing works for us. And that we get as much as we possibly can out of | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
it. If there is going to be a downturn in our economy, which is | :16:40. | :16:44. | |
what it appears will be likely should we come out, that issue that | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
I have been campaigning for for the last 16 years about improving our | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
railways and roads down to the south-west white frankly will be put | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
off for another ten or 15 years. I think that would be a personal | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
disaster. I believe as well that there's a whole matter about our | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
membership of the Union is something very similar to those previous | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
debates that have taken place, like for instance, Imperial preference | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
and things like that. Thank goodness our country eventually found a way | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
to it. But one of the things we fortunately had to do was get | :17:23. | :17:25. | |
involved in a few world wars in the process, and that is something I | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
personally am very keen to make sure does not happen, especially as my | :17:31. | :17:33. | |
relatives have fought in every single world war, and certainly all | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
the wars that have ever been in existence, because we have been here | :17:40. | :17:43. | |
for such a long time. To my mind, our job in Europe is to maintain the | :17:44. | :17:52. | |
balance of power and that is truly crucial. When we have walked away | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
from Europe we have found herself having to pay for that with an | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
enormous amount of blood and treasure. Indeed, the other day and | :18:00. | :18:05. | |
was receiving a briefing from one of the more renowned journalists in | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
this country, who told us that the issue which is happening is America | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
is seeking to turn away from looking at Europe, it sees Russia as a | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
regional issue rather than a world issue, and they are much more | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
interested in what happens in the Pacific as well. That, to my mind, | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
if we come out of Europe, I think we will be Billy no mates, and I don't | :18:30. | :18:33. | |
want to see that end up happening either. Earlier this year, I spent a | :18:34. | :18:39. | |
few days with the Royal Marines, seeing myself some of the issues | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
they have do deal with. I got involved in trying to bowl the | :18:45. | :18:48. | |
shelter, light a fire, Keller chicken. I did not do that. It was | :18:49. | :18:54. | |
all rather difficult. I also learned how important the Baltic states are | :18:55. | :18:57. | |
as far as this country is concerned, and unless we end up engaging in | :18:58. | :19:04. | |
Europe, I'm afraid I think that issue will be very big. I would also | :19:05. | :19:09. | |
add the Americans are not interested in putting money into Nato. They | :19:10. | :19:13. | |
want to take it out. The moment we decide to walk away from all of | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
that, we will find herself actually having to pay more money as well. | :19:18. | :19:25. | |
Would my honourable friend recognise that the Republican candidate for | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
the United States Presidency has declared Natal obsolete? I find that | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
absolutely and utterly stunning, and that is the reason we want to remain | :19:36. | :19:45. | |
in. Some points about my own constituency. The company that run | :19:46. | :19:48. | |
the dockyard have written a letter to the Times and very friendly and | :19:49. | :19:53. | |
support, and the employed 5000 people. I have a boat manufacturer | :19:54. | :19:55. | |
who are very worried indeed about what will happen should we come out | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
because of how they think both the French and Greeks will seek to | :20:00. | :20:07. | |
defend the old building industry -- boat building industry. Finally, I | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
think we will end up also seeing our university and the students in my | :20:12. | :20:15. | |
constituency very badly damaged. We have a global reputation for Marine | :20:16. | :20:20. | |
science and engineering research, and that is something that I do not | :20:21. | :20:31. | |
wish to jettison. I understand the unemployment figures, the claimant | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
count, has come down to below 4% in a very deprived constituency. It is | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
rather unique to have a Conservative member of Parliament sitting on | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
these benches representing an inner-city seat which has actually | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
got an 11 year life expectancy difference between the north of my | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
constituency and the West of it, around Devonport as well, and that | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
is something which it is very important we continue to be able to | :20:56. | :20:56. | |
invest into those kind of things. I think the Prime Minister has done | :20:57. | :21:05. | |
the right thing by seeking to make sure we get the best possible deal | :21:06. | :21:10. | |
out of the Europeans that he was able to do. We have to remember that | :21:11. | :21:19. | |
if it is decided we should join the European Union in the way of a more | :21:20. | :21:24. | |
integrated way, we are going to have another referendum. That is | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
something which I think will horrify some on this side because we have | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
heard enough of this as well. This is about making sure we have a | :21:32. | :21:37. | |
strong place in Europe and deliver as far as the economy is concerned | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
for the West Country but also make sure we don't get involved in any | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
more world wars or wars of any sort. Liz Kendall. | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. By the strength of our common | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
endeavour, we achieve more than we do alone, so as to create for each | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
of us the means to fulfil our potential. These words, written on | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
Labour's membership card, or why I joined my party. I believe they are | :22:07. | :22:10. | |
as true for nation states as they are for the people I am now | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
privileged to serve. The reason I say this is the central argument | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
made by those who want us to leave the EU is that Britain will achieve | :22:21. | :22:24. | |
more and have more power and control if we vote for Brexit. I could not | :22:25. | :22:30. | |
disagree more. In a world that is more connected than ever before, | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
we'll control, the power to shape our destiny and tackle challenges, | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
sees opportunities, rather than be left to the mercy of events, comes | :22:41. | :22:45. | |
from working with our neighbours and allies to get the best for the | :22:46. | :22:48. | |
British people. Resident Obama says nations should wheeled influence | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
most effectively doing it through the collective action today's | :22:56. | :22:59. | |
challenges demand and he is right. -- President Obama. Being a member | :23:00. | :23:03. | |
of the EU gives Britain more influence and power not less. The | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
power to sell goods in a sickle market of 500 million people | :23:07. | :23:11. | |
according to rules we help decide and to reach better trade agreements | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
as part of a bigger block of 28 countries. The power to tackle | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
cross-border terrorism and crime and to act together when the rule of | :23:21. | :23:26. | |
international law is threatened on our doorstep, like the sanctions | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
regime we imposed following Russian aggression in Ukraine. And the power | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
to address serious, long-term global challenges like climate change using | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
our influence to secure a better deal within the EU and the EU's | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
influence to get a better deal with the rest of the world. Cutting | :23:44. | :23:46. | |
ourselves off from neighbours and allies in Europe and attempting to | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
go it alone would diminish Britain's power, not increase it. It would | :23:53. | :23:55. | |
give us less control to shape our future, not more. Whilst I care | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
passionately about Britain's influence and role in the world, | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
this referendum will in the end come down to the bastion of our economy | :24:05. | :24:10. | |
and whether we will be better off in or out of the EU. There is not a | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
single serious credible organisation that thinks we would be more | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
prosperous out. The TDC and CPI are united. Job investment and wages | :24:20. | :24:23. | |
will be hit and businesses and workers will suffer. The IAF S warns | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
that our economy will shrink if we leave the EU. The costs would | :24:29. | :24:32. | |
outweigh the money we get back I no longer being a member and require an | :24:33. | :24:37. | |
additional 20 240 billion pounds of borrowing or spending cuts on top of | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
what is already planned. Madam Deputy Speaker, I campaign for | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
Remain not just because of the risks of a Brexit vote but because of | :24:47. | :24:50. | |
opportunities for British businesses, workers and young people | :24:51. | :24:53. | |
to build a better future if we remain in the EU. It has already | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
hugely benefited this country, attracting crucial investment from | :24:59. | :25:08. | |
Toyota, jaguar, Nissan and Hitachi another companies. It gives training | :25:09. | :25:13. | |
for young people who need it most. Businesses in my constituency like | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
energy efficiency companies tell me they have got real potential to | :25:18. | :25:22. | |
expand and grow their businesses in future, particularly as the single | :25:23. | :25:25. | |
market in digital services is completed, and as new trade deals | :25:26. | :25:29. | |
open up markets in areas like clean energy. I desperately need companies | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
like this to expand and thrive so that more my constituents can get | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
decent jobs in the motor manufacturing industries of the | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
future. Many of the students I meet also tell me they are passionate | :25:43. | :25:46. | |
about us remaining in the EU. Our great University of Leicester has | :25:47. | :25:51. | |
benefited hugely from investment from the EU, funding its new centre | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
for medicine, doing world leading research on heart disease and | :25:56. | :25:58. | |
training doctors of the future. Being part of the EU enables my | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
students to live and learn and study in other countries. They terrified | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
if we leave the EU their job aspects will be worse. Like me, they are | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
astonished that people who back exit say, even if there is an impact on | :26:15. | :26:17. | |
our economy, it is a price worth paying. But who will end up paying | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
the price? Not Mr Banks. Not the honourable members for Surrey, | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
Oxbridge and other places, no, it will be those who always suffer in | :26:29. | :26:32. | |
an economic downturn, the poor vulnerable and low paid. In concept | :26:33. | :26:37. | |
and businesses and families struggling to cope. Slower growth | :26:38. | :26:42. | |
and lower tax receipts reducing public funding for services we rely | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
on, and for what? The Mirage of greater self-control. That is why I | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
am passionate about as voting to Remain in the EU. So we do not put | :26:52. | :26:55. | |
unity at risk and seize the opportunities of the future. It is a | :26:56. | :27:03. | |
pleasure to follow the honourable member for Leicester West who | :27:04. | :27:05. | |
rightly made a positive case for staying in the European Union but | :27:06. | :27:10. | |
also said importantly, who will pay the price if we leave? In my | :27:11. | :27:15. | |
constituency, and as a country, I want us to be prosperous, peaceful | :27:16. | :27:20. | |
and proud of being British. That is why, Madam Deputy Speaker, I'll be | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
voting to Remain on the 23rd of June. I could make a security case. | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
I could make a case about the sort of country you want us to be. | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
Today's debate is about the economic benefits of the European Union | :27:34. | :27:39. | |
membership. I focus on that. Being in the EU brings investment and jobs | :27:40. | :27:45. | |
to the UK. It is not perfect, nor is any relationship. Being in the EU is | :27:46. | :27:48. | |
good for our economy, which is good for our country. Madam Deputy | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
Speaker, my right honourable friend the Prime Minister recently joined | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
me in my constituency on a visit to a brewery, which is the UK's oldest | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
brewery. It has been expanding successfully since the recession, | :28:05. | :28:07. | |
thanks to our strong and stable economy. That is in the European | :28:08. | :28:12. | |
Union. It is not something they should always take for granted. Like | :28:13. | :28:17. | |
many businesses, the brewery are worried about the risk that mean we | :28:18. | :28:23. | |
-- we may leave the EU, and they are the largest employer in my | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
constituency. If they struggle, that means jobs in my constituency will | :28:29. | :28:34. | |
be lost. I think there is no doubt, and everybody agrees with this, | :28:35. | :28:37. | |
including those who are campaigning to Leave, that there will be a | :28:38. | :28:41. | |
recession if we vote to Leave the European Union. Double mean the loss | :28:42. | :28:46. | |
of thousands of jobs. -- that will mean. I have heard from the Leave | :28:47. | :28:51. | |
side at the loss of those jobs perhaps does not matter. They see it | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
as a sacrifice perhaps worth making but I say that jobs really do | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
matter. Jobs mean livelihood. Income to pay mortgage and rent and bills. | :29:01. | :29:06. | |
And by children's shoes. I could go on. It may sound of years but I am | :29:07. | :29:10. | |
shocked at how dismissive some of those arguing Leave are about this. | :29:11. | :29:16. | |
The economic squeeze we will experience, whether it lasts for | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
five years or ten or longer, for today's school leavers, I think | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
about what that means for them. The last generation of school leavers | :29:26. | :29:31. | |
hit so hard by the last recession... We cannot have another lost | :29:32. | :29:34. | |
generation like that as a result of a decision to leave the EU. Some | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
members have argued that a vote to Leave could boost trade with | :29:41. | :29:42. | |
non-European countries and that is highly uncertain. I would say it is | :29:43. | :29:49. | |
unlikely. Our largest export market outside the EU is the US where, in | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
2014, we exported ?84 billion worth of goods. That is dwarfed by the | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
over ?150 billion worth of goods exported to the EU countries. That | :30:01. | :30:05. | |
is good and services. They also argue our exports should increase if | :30:06. | :30:12. | |
we have India, Australia or Canada, but each country has brought less | :30:13. | :30:16. | |
than ?10 billion value per annum and that would in no way change | :30:17. | :30:22. | |
overnight. Before I became an MP, some time ago, my day job was | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
negotiating deals for Time Warner, which was at the time the largest | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
internet provider in the world. One of the things I learned as a deal | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
negotiator was that size matters. Your bargaining power matters and | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
those that say that, as the UK, we would get better deals, the point is | :30:40. | :30:44. | |
that the EU is a larger market. They have greater bargaining power in | :30:45. | :30:46. | |
negotiations with other countries so I do not think we could be remotely | :30:47. | :30:51. | |
confident that however great we are as a country and good at | :30:52. | :30:54. | |
negotiating, we could negotiate better trade deals with other | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
countries than we can within the EU, the EU could. I am conscious of | :30:59. | :31:07. | |
time. I will move on. The NHS is the reason I became a Member of | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
Parliament and since my time doing deals, as I mentioned, I have worked | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
in many hospitals with the NHS. I know how difficult it is for the NHS | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
at the moment. If we have to afford the cost of care for our society as | :31:21. | :31:25. | |
we live longer and want more from the NHS, if we are to afford that, | :31:26. | :31:31. | |
we need a strong economy. A vote to Leave would not only damage our | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
economy and harm our prosperity, it would also damage our international | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
reputation. We are respected abroad for our values and integrity and | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
collective conscience. Many countries seek to emulate our | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
democratic system. Leaving the EU sends the wrong message. It says | :31:51. | :31:53. | |
that, when things get tricky, we walk away. That is not the sort of | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
nation I want us to be. We must be an optimistic country playing an | :31:59. | :32:02. | |
influential role in the world and that means being in the EU and | :32:03. | :32:09. | |
leading from the front. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. As part of | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
Labour's In campaign last night, I spoke to a woman on the phone. She | :32:15. | :32:18. | |
was not sure how she would vote and she did not know who to believe. She | :32:19. | :32:23. | |
said she just wanted the facts. That is where I begin, Madam Deputy | :32:24. | :32:27. | |
Speaker. Just one reason why we must be absolutely clear. Globalisation | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
is happening and it is not going away. With democracy in Eastern | :32:33. | :32:37. | |
Europe, the opening of China and India, capital and people now move | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
freely across borders like never before, creating opportunities but | :32:43. | :32:47. | |
also causing disruption. This globally connected economy means | :32:48. | :32:49. | |
problems in the American mortgage market can trigger a recession that | :32:50. | :32:54. | |
spread around the globe in hours. This is the modern world. For us, in | :32:55. | :32:59. | |
Britain, each generation must answer the question, will we accept free | :33:00. | :33:04. | |
trade because of the opportunities it offers? What are the rules | :33:05. | :33:10. | |
required to make that market their? The global economy offers huge | :33:11. | :33:14. | |
potential to the UK. We have advanced service sectors and our | :33:15. | :33:22. | |
creative economy has moved. Boomed. Nowhere more as this obvious and our | :33:23. | :33:26. | |
capital, perhaps the most globalised city in the world. Go to Glasgow and | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
Liverpool in the story is the same but we must be honest about | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
globalisation. Opportunity for many but for others, disruption and | :33:34. | :33:37. | |
dislocation. Jobs created but also jobs lost. Capital movement could | :33:38. | :33:44. | |
grow the economy that capital hiding offshore, untaxed, it's our public | :33:45. | :33:47. | |
services. We must answer this question. How do we get maximum | :33:48. | :33:53. | |
gains from this changing world and had we minimise the disadvantage? | :33:54. | :33:56. | |
That is the real question to be answered by the EU referendum. Amid | :33:57. | :34:01. | |
all the misinformation in this debate, I think there is a deep and | :34:02. | :34:06. | |
honesty about the campaign to Leave the European Union. Or, rather, | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
should I say, the two campaigns, because there are too completely | :34:11. | :34:14. | |
contradictory arguments about running here at the same time. On | :34:15. | :34:18. | |
one hand, we are told to leave so we can stop the disruptive effects of | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
globalisation and close the borders, protectionism and preferential | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
treatment for British workers. Does the honourable lady recognises | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
well that the Brexit campaign has led people to the top of the hill in | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
relation to immigration and could be doing an enormous amount of damage | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
as far as immigration? Madam Deputy Speaker, I could not | :34:43. | :34:44. | |
have putted better and this is presented to those who are feeling | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
the sharp end of globalisation as a solution. As they said, nothing like | :34:49. | :34:56. | |
that. It would sabotage the British economy and destroy even more jobs. | :34:57. | :35:01. | |
The other set of leavers, the people who think that the problem with the | :35:02. | :35:06. | |
EU, we heard it earlier, is that it shot us from globalisation... They | :35:07. | :35:12. | |
say, leave Europe and face the world. Embrace non-EU immigration | :35:13. | :35:18. | |
and let the market goal. Even if you ignore the difficulty of facing the | :35:19. | :35:21. | |
world where you have no trade deals, this is not an attractive option. | :35:22. | :35:33. | |
Two bad options the Britain but one even bigger deceit. The lie that you | :35:34. | :35:40. | |
could have both these things at once but that is not true. Either you are | :35:41. | :35:45. | |
up for free trade and were taking part in the world, working with | :35:46. | :35:50. | |
others to make markets work or you want to shut Britain off from the | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
world. The Leave campaign of misleading people. The dishonesty | :35:57. | :36:01. | |
but across tells low-paid workers there risen easy remedy to their | :36:02. | :36:06. | |
words when the medicine will only make the patients sicker. I agree, | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
it is time for plain speaking and here is the truth. The world economy | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
has globalised. It brings destruction and loss to the British | :36:18. | :36:22. | |
people and we don't solve that by running a siege economy but rather | :36:23. | :36:28. | |
than staying in the single market, take advantage of the opportunities | :36:29. | :36:32. | |
that will come as we properly integrate surges -- services. The EU | :36:33. | :36:44. | |
is 447% of our experts and we should help European companies -- countries | :36:45. | :36:51. | |
make the European reforms. Corporation as we know is how we | :36:52. | :36:58. | |
maximise our success. It is also central to minimising the negative | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
effects of globalisation and it is only through Corporation of the EU | :37:03. | :37:05. | |
that we make sure there is no race to the bottom on working additions. | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
If you are a low-paid worker, brags it will mean worse conditions and | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
worse career progression for you. If you are a higher paid worker, there | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
will be less trade and even higher taxes and if you are a pensioner, | :37:22. | :37:26. | |
Brexit will mean less money to invest in the pension system. They | :37:27. | :37:34. | |
add knowledge there will be a shirt -- short-term hit. Let us take a | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
moment to consider the short-term. It mean a recession as if we were in | :37:38. | :37:45. | |
need of another recession after the horrors of 2008. Unlike 2008, we | :37:46. | :37:49. | |
wouldn't have a Government willing to work with others around the world | :37:50. | :37:54. | |
to solve the crisis. We would have a recession and the most right-wing | :37:55. | :37:57. | |
Government in living memory. A closed economy would make us all | :37:58. | :38:03. | |
poorer and especially those with the least. A choice between prosperity | :38:04. | :38:12. | |
in the EU or austerity out of it. Influence in the EU or irrelevance | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
out of it. Making it work for Britain or pretending we solve our | :38:18. | :38:25. | |
problems by quitting. Let us vote Remain. I believe it is in our | :38:26. | :38:29. | |
national-security interests to remain within the European Union and | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
the national security interests of the US and of our allies in Europe. | :38:36. | :38:43. | |
At a time we see conflict around the world and an unstable world. The | :38:44. | :38:51. | |
last thing we want to do is see a fragmentation of the European Union. | :38:52. | :38:58. | |
We don't want to see ambiguity in foreign policy and a weakening of | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
the European Union and the strength that we draw from one another. There | :39:03. | :39:09. | |
has been a lot of debate about whether Nato or the European Union | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
is the cornerstone of our national-security. I would argue it | :39:15. | :39:21. | |
has developed into both. Nato is a major cornerstone of our national | :39:22. | :39:32. | |
security. However, I asked the question to Brexiteers com is it | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
likely we will see France and Germany FastTrack EU structures? If | :39:36. | :39:45. | |
that is the case, is it likely to undermine Nato. My answer is also | :39:46. | :39:55. | |
yes. We would see EU defence structures rather than complimenting | :39:56. | :39:59. | |
Nato and that makes me very concerned indeed. We also hear on | :40:00. | :40:06. | |
the counter-terrorism argument that our open borders would endanger our | :40:07. | :40:12. | |
cities and towns and those that live in this country. If you look at our | :40:13. | :40:16. | |
counter-terrorism issues and challenges in this country, the | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
majority are home-grown. If you look at the awful tax in Brussels and | :40:21. | :40:28. | |
Paris -- awful attacks in Brussels and Paris, most of those that were | :40:29. | :40:34. | |
attacks were EU citizens. Remaining in the EU does not increase our | :40:35. | :40:46. | |
threat of terror attack. I was one of the key people. The member for | :40:47. | :40:54. | |
Bury North, co-writing the motion to have the European referendum which | :40:55. | :40:58. | |
defeated the Prime Minister and the Conservative Government and we are | :40:59. | :41:01. | |
where we are. I make no apology for having played a key part in that. It | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
is right that the British people should be the franchised on the | :41:09. | :41:14. | |
European question. Nevertheless, as somebody who has served on the Nato | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
Parliamentary Assembly for five years and on the joint National | :41:20. | :41:22. | |
Security strategy for four years, I came to the view on balance and | :41:23. | :41:29. | |
after serious reflection for national security reasons, that we | :41:30. | :41:33. | |
should remain in the European Union. We have heard a lot about the | :41:34. | :41:39. | |
economic impacts of withdrawal from the European Union. I have no doubt | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
there will be a massive shock on our economy. If there was a ?40 billion | :41:44. | :41:50. | |
hits, yes, there would be further public sector cuts and tax rises and | :41:51. | :42:01. | |
that will be bad for Britain. With that national you cannot have | :42:02. | :42:07. | |
economic security. Without it, you cannot have national-security | :42:08. | :42:10. | |
because you don't have the funds to pay for our defence and intelligence | :42:11. | :42:14. | |
agencies and the member for Tonbridge calling for a expansion of | :42:15. | :42:20. | |
the Foreign Office in the ASIS and the mainstream Foreign Office. The | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
member for Plymouth Sutton put his finger right on it. Do we want to | :42:25. | :42:30. | |
put up the white flag? Do we want to surrender all we have worked for as | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
the UK in Europe to France and Germany? They are close allies that | :42:36. | :42:42. | |
there -- they can be eccentric. Diplomacy is a key part of | :42:43. | :42:48. | |
national-security. Are we going to surrender the diplomacy of the | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
European Union over to some of the more eccentric play France and | :42:52. | :42:58. | |
Germany? Would we have those very robust and tough sanctions on | :42:59. | :43:01. | |
Ukraine if it wasn't for the Foreign Secretary and the Prime Minister | :43:02. | :43:06. | |
making robust representations in Brussels and around the capitals of | :43:07. | :43:09. | |
Europe in making sure Russia paid for its aggression in Ukraine? If | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
Russia didn't pay for that aggression, would it have aggression | :43:15. | :43:20. | |
in the Baltic states? I am not passionate about Europe. I love the | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
UK and that is why I believe on balance our best interests for a | :43:27. | :43:29. | |
safer, more secure and prosperous Britain is to remain in the European | :43:30. | :43:38. | |
Union. Madam Deputy Speaker, the forthcoming referendum on the UK's | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
membership of the European Union will say a great deal about how we | :43:43. | :43:46. | |
the British people see ourselves as a nation. We nation at peace with | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
ourselves, gospel in the belief that by working closely with others we | :43:53. | :43:57. | |
can govern our people to the benefit of everyone? Internationalist in | :43:58. | :44:02. | |
outlook and confident of our place in the world. Are we fearful of the | :44:03. | :44:08. | |
outside world whether it is the European Union that is doing Europe | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
to us rather than us being a part of Europe? Or the threat of immigration | :44:13. | :44:21. | |
but the concept of free movement has been conflated with free movement of | :44:22. | :44:26. | |
refugees, economic migrants, legal or illegal migrants from outside of | :44:27. | :44:32. | |
the European Union. We face a whole host of problems. Illegal migration, | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
people trafficking, terrorism, environmental pollution to our | :44:39. | :44:45. | |
rivers and seas. All of the above do not respect national boundaries. By | :44:46. | :44:51. | |
working together in the most successful multinational | :44:52. | :44:53. | |
organisation that the world has ever seen with its own single market is a | :44:54. | :44:57. | |
solution to our problems, not a problem. Yes, we have our | :44:58. | :45:04. | |
differences with European neighbours that they settled on conference | :45:05. | :45:07. | |
tables in places like Brussels, Strasbourg, London, Berlin and | :45:08. | :45:16. | |
Paris, not by bloody wars. Those problems escalated into two world | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
Wars resulting in the deaths of millions of people. The real | :45:22. | :45:28. | |
responses for Britain to say that these problems are also our | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
problems. We cannot shut ourselves off politically and economically | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
from the rest of Europe. We must recognise that it is a geographical | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
and political fact that we are part of a union of nations that shares | :45:43. | :45:48. | |
common interests, values and goals and that our neighbour's problems | :45:49. | :45:51. | |
will become our own unless we work with them to help solve them. If we | :45:52. | :45:57. | |
didn't already have that European Union, we would have had to create | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
something similar to deal with these particular problems and many others | :46:02. | :46:07. | |
indeed. History, solidarity and common sense are good reasons for | :46:08. | :46:13. | |
staying within the EU. Let me be more hard-headed about this and talk | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
in terms of costs and benefits. I have said little about the benefits | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
and the things we take for granted. The anti-Europeans who say Europe is | :46:24. | :46:29. | |
a threat totally disregard the decades of successful membership | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
which has contributed into making Britain into the world's fifth | :46:34. | :46:39. | |
largest economy. Yes, we could survive outside of the European | :46:40. | :46:42. | |
Union. Yes, we could manage outside the European Union but at what | :46:43. | :46:47. | |
price? The benefits of being a member of the largest single market | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
in the world has cost, and that is why we pay contributions. You do so | :46:54. | :47:00. | |
because you accept the benefits outweigh the costs. Let us see what | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
the UK's largest business organisation says and then I will | :47:06. | :47:09. | |
say a little bit about what the UK's largest worker's organisation says. | :47:10. | :47:18. | |
We have access to a 16.6 trillion dollars a year in the single market | :47:19. | :47:24. | |
of 5 million people and that is a key benefits. The single market goes | :47:25. | :47:29. | |
beyond the trade agreement. It has eliminated tariff barriers within | :47:30. | :47:34. | |
its borders and has taken strides towards removing nontariff barriers | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
such as goods, regulations across the board. The UK's net contribution | :47:39. | :47:46. | |
is a small net cost relative to the benefits and net contribution is | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
around 7.3 billion euros or not .4% of GDP. It is clear the largest | :47:52. | :47:59. | |
business organisation is in favour. The cheat -- the TUC general | :48:00. | :48:03. | |
secretary, Frances O'Grady comes as working people have a huge stake in | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
the referendum because worker's writes on the line. It guarantees | :48:07. | :48:12. | |
workers then writes to play -- to pay holidays, equal leave and | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
treatment for part-timers. These rights cannot be taken for granted | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
and without the back-up of EU laws on scrupulous -- unscrupulous | :48:23. | :48:31. | |
lawyers will take away protections. Without remaining, those protections | :48:32. | :48:38. | |
could disappear. Vote Remain. When we started this process, if you had | :48:39. | :48:49. | |
split me down the middle, I was 49% for leave and 51% for remain. Today, | :48:50. | :49:03. | |
I am ?127 -- 100 and 27% in favour of Remain. There are two reasons | :49:04. | :49:14. | |
that have got me to that position. The first is looking at some of the | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
facts. I am a south-west member of Parliament. We export goods from the | :49:20. | :49:23. | |
south-west to the EU in the first quarter of this year of ?9.7 | :49:24. | :49:30. | |
billion. That is 64% of all the exports from the south-west going to | :49:31. | :49:39. | |
the EU. In my constituency, 5249 jobs are reckoned to be dependent | :49:40. | :49:43. | |
upon trade and membership of the European Union, one of the highest, | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
if not the highest in the county. On a conservative estimate, 45,000 jobs | :49:50. | :49:50. | |
will be at risk in my region in It would be a dereliction of duty to | :49:51. | :50:13. | |
vote any other way than to preserve that. I don't wish to sacrifice on | :50:14. | :50:20. | |
some altar of so-called sovereignty the livelihoods of my constituent | :50:21. | :50:27. | |
two. Because sovereignty as an abstract does not pay the mortgage | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
or the rent or the bills. It does not put food on the table. I will be | :50:33. | :50:39. | |
able to look at my constituents in the eyes and say, we do not have two | :50:40. | :50:47. | |
starts in the case of independence. What a marvellous legacy to leave. | :50:48. | :50:53. | |
Would the honourable gentleman luckily the NDI, somebody who relied | :50:54. | :51:01. | |
on paying my mortgage and put food on my table and my children's table | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
and say that he is happy to sacrifice an industry for the EU | :51:07. | :51:10. | |
ideal? In the first instance, I would not | :51:11. | :51:18. | |
say that it has been sacrificed, the fishing sector, but we are | :51:19. | :51:22. | |
absolutely right to look at it from the perspective of our constituents. | :51:23. | :51:27. | |
I know that the agriculture and dairy sector in North Dorset would | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
not be able to survive without the continued guarantee, politically | :51:32. | :51:37. | |
colour-blind support, that the EU provides to British agriculture. | :51:38. | :51:41. | |
There are two things I want to say specifically, if I may. The first | :51:42. | :51:48. | |
has been the absolute lack of clarity and united vision from the | :51:49. | :51:56. | |
Leave campaign. Albania, Norway, WTO, something like that... We can | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
stand alone... Whatever it might happen to be. Somehow or another we | :52:02. | :52:08. | |
have this arrogance, which I think was probably the death of some of | :52:09. | :52:12. | |
our industry is some years ago, that we have the right to sell to the | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
rest of the world, and Europe, on terms to our satisfaction, and they | :52:17. | :52:21. | |
should feel jolly grateful that they are allowed to buy our product. The | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
global marketplace does not work like that any more! We have two | :52:26. | :52:31. | |
burden our living. -- earn our living. | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
Thank you the honourable member for giving way. Is this not a | :52:37. | :52:44. | |
contradiction for Leave? They claim we could sign up to every EU rule | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
and regulation but not be able to change it. The only way to change EU | :52:49. | :52:53. | |
regulations is if you are a member of the EU. | :52:54. | :52:57. | |
The honourable gentleman is absolutely right. It is either the | :52:58. | :53:01. | |
longest suicide note in history or the worst written business plan I | :53:02. | :53:07. | |
have ever come across. It's a fantastic wheeze, you know. 42% of | :53:08. | :53:17. | |
my almost guaranteed sales, I will go and see if I can grow another few | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
markets. But we can do both. It seems to me the highest folly in | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
favour the already tariff free access to the world's largest free | :53:29. | :53:32. | |
trading area. It would be a dereliction of our duty, and for | :53:33. | :53:39. | |
those who get frightfully excited about when they are erogenous zones | :53:40. | :53:47. | |
of sovereignty are being tickled... Not in the cases of some, Madam | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
Deputy Speaker, the most attractive prospect I could think of... Let us | :53:53. | :53:58. | |
just recall and put on the record... We keep saying we must take | :53:59. | :54:05. | |
decisions. Absolutely right, accountable to our constituents. If | :54:06. | :54:08. | |
after five years they do not like what we have done, they can kick us | :54:09. | :54:15. | |
out. They are is a vote in this sovereign parliament this afternoon, | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
and 74% of us voted to remain. Cross-party, across regions, a | :54:21. | :54:27. | |
cross-country. A signal of the clear merits and benefits of the UK plc | :54:28. | :54:32. | |
doing that originally British thing of fighting for our interests, | :54:33. | :54:37. | |
championing our businesses and speaking of our people, and making | :54:38. | :54:40. | |
sure we get the best deal possible. I do want to say something else. The | :54:41. | :54:46. | |
other thing which has given me that extra 60 odd percent to be in | :54:47. | :54:53. | |
remain. That we would not have a rerun of the debate which we saw in | :54:54. | :55:02. | |
Russia in the 1870s and 1880s and in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. Our | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
infrastructure was under pressure. We can solve that. That is a solving | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
job of this place at our local councils. But, no. Those people | :55:14. | :55:22. | |
blamed the Ugandans, they blamed the Jews, but they will blame anybody | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
else but ourselves. They blame "Them" for taking our jobs, our | :55:29. | :55:33. | |
houses, our places on the hospital waiting lists, forgetting | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
constituencies such as mine, where many retired. We need this young... | :55:39. | :55:45. | |
These young people coming in to work in our services. Madam Deputy | :55:46. | :55:51. | |
Speaker, we are hearing that bitter, twisted, acid debate about | :55:52. | :56:01. | |
immigration. I do not want to be any part of that. There is a very | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
strong, positive narrative to say that we need that new blood and | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
talent. We need those people coming to our shores. When they go to Spain | :56:10. | :56:16. | |
and set up a business, we call ourselves and expat. When they come | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
here, we see them as a drain. Not to my name, not in the name of this | :56:21. | :56:25. | |
party, we vote to Remain. You may, like many have seen, a | :56:26. | :56:33. | |
front-page splash in the Times last week trumpeting support for Brexit | :56:34. | :56:41. | |
from Lord Bamford of JCB. An iconic person based in Staffordshire. The | :56:42. | :56:48. | |
story smacked of desperation. It was as we call it in the trade old news. | :56:49. | :56:54. | |
Anyone reading the local newspaper in Staffordshire would have known | :56:55. | :56:58. | |
when the good Lord came out for it a year ago. He is part of just a small | :56:59. | :57:04. | |
smattering of industrialists on the Brexit site, including Maverick | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
night of the wrong James Dyson, who makes impossibly, located Hoover 's | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
in Malaysia. The reality is that there are views are not reflective | :57:16. | :57:22. | |
of the large majority of businesses, investors or economies. Our EU | :57:23. | :57:25. | |
membership has been vital in attracting much-needed investment | :57:26. | :57:28. | |
here. Nissan, Toyota and Honda from Japan made that clear early on, | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
voting for the UK to Remain. The likes of BMW, Volkswagen and Bosch | :57:35. | :57:42. | |
from Germany have since joined them. Does my honourable friend see the | :57:43. | :57:45. | |
story in the Financial Times today which points out that both Sir James | :57:46. | :57:53. | |
Dyson and Anthony Bamford have been caught breaking competition rules by | :57:54. | :57:56. | |
the European Commission, and suggesting that was the motive? | :57:57. | :58:03. | |
I cannot speak for their personal relation to it by hand sure they | :58:04. | :58:05. | |
speak for themselves personally rather than for their own | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
businesses. German companies who employ 500,000 people, and along | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
with the Japanese, they have made the UK car industry the most | :58:16. | :58:22. | |
successful in our country's history. Along with Tata Steel, with their | :58:23. | :58:27. | |
investment into Land Rover. That's Tata would want to leave the world's | :58:28. | :58:33. | |
biggest single market? In this case, their voices deserve to be listened | :58:34. | :58:37. | |
to, not silenced through intimidation from the Leave | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
campaign. Of course, the voices of great British companies, and | :58:42. | :58:44. | |
household names like Rolls-Royce, one of our biggest export. My | :58:45. | :58:50. | |
grandad built spitfire engines at Crewe for Rolls-Royce and today the | :58:51. | :58:54. | |
country patriotically urged its staff to vote Remain. Madam Deputy | :58:55. | :58:59. | |
Speaker, it is not just big multinationals who are emphatically | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
in favour of our remaining. This spring, I carried out a survey of | :59:04. | :59:10. | |
around 1000 small businesses in my constituency Newcastle under line. | :59:11. | :59:13. | |
We had a response that 80% were in favour of Remain. Some thought, yes, | :59:14. | :59:20. | |
we should stay in to reform from within. The response to the survey | :59:21. | :59:24. | |
reflects the balance within the wine and Bishop of Staffordshire's | :59:25. | :59:29. | |
Chamber of Commerce -- the wider membership. That vital, for us, | :59:30. | :59:42. | |
export led industry, puts it in the country's interests. They recognise | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
it is better to have one rule rather than 28 different ones for each | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
country in the EU. We take a local example of the new economy, as well. | :59:51. | :59:54. | |
One of our most passionate supporters of the campaign to Remain | :59:55. | :00:05. | |
is bet 365, one of the world's biggest online betting companies and | :00:06. | :00:10. | |
the owner of a football club. Over the last years, the family who owns | :00:11. | :00:13. | |
it has built it into one of the biggest private sector companies in | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
Staffordshire, with many highly skilled staff. It is one of the UK's | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
biggest success stories of the last decade and they can only dream, | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
because at the moment they do not just have 28 rules to content with | :00:26. | :00:30. | |
that far more, with a German Lander and different European regions | :00:31. | :00:37. | |
having individual regulations. Bet 365 would benefit by staying in and | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
extending the single market to services in e-commerce, which were | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
key pieces of the Minister's negotiation. | :00:48. | :00:53. | |
Earlier on, you probably heard it mentioned that there was a vote from | :00:54. | :00:59. | |
different parties in relation to why they want to Remain in Europe. | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
Another voice was from Margaret Thatcher. Why did she sign up to the | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
single market? There is a proposal for a central bank and the role... | :01:11. | :01:17. | |
These were all factors... Now some of the Brexit people who want out by | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
the very people who signed up to support it. | :01:22. | :01:26. | |
My honourable friend was right, and Margaret Thatcher knew what side | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
this country's bread was buttered on and as did John Major, whose | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
Government was held to ransomed by many of the figures on this side. | :01:35. | :01:41. | |
That'll make the honourable member from Whitney's life a misery when | :01:42. | :01:46. | |
hopefully we vote to stay in. The businesses I mentioned locally and | :01:47. | :01:48. | |
nationally will not benefit, nor with the wider British economy. | :01:49. | :01:58. | |
Madam Deputy Speaker, if I had more time, I would talk in detail about | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
the benefits to the NHS and higher education. There is a whole campus | :02:03. | :02:10. | |
at the University in Newcastle underlying which has one of the | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
country's leading medical schools. That is about to be boosted by a ?20 | :02:15. | :02:19. | |
million new research facility for drugs and medical treatments, and | :02:20. | :02:26. | |
?30 million come from the EU. The NHS local economy is due to get ?30 | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
million EU funding for research and education alone. The risks of losing | :02:33. | :02:38. | |
that if we vote to Leave are sizeable. The EU has been pivotal in | :02:39. | :02:41. | |
securing other things too often taken for granted. Equal rights for | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
agency workers and minimum paid holidays, maternity pay and the | :02:48. | :02:51. | |
quality of play across the board. But Deputy Speaker, to conclude... | :02:52. | :03:00. | |
-- equality of pay. I believe it is a tactical exercise in party | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
management which has seen the Conservative Party, the governing | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
party fall apart. The honourable member for Whitney, through two | :03:07. | :03:13. | |
general elections and referendum so far as being in many respects of the | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
largest Prime Minister and next Thursday, on this occasion, I hope | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
he will hold. The decision we face next next week is about more than | :03:22. | :03:25. | |
jobs, investment and prosperity. It is not learning correct lessons from | :03:26. | :03:29. | |
history. The past has shown that Britain has an important role at the | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
heart of Europe. That engagement and co-operation makes that continent | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
more progressive, more outward looking and more stable. Next | :03:39. | :03:41. | |
Thursday, the right lesson to learn for history is to vote Remain. | :03:42. | :03:49. | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is a great privilege to be called to | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
speak in this historic did late. I vote Remain for one fundamental | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
reason, because I am a father of four small children and the last | :03:59. | :04:01. | |
thing I want is for them to grab any country with less opportunity than I | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
had the great privilege to enjoy. What an opportunity it is. If we | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
vote to leave, this country will not go to the dogs. Rather, it will be a | :04:13. | :04:18. | |
case of an opportunity missed, because alone in the world we are | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
the only major nation on earth that enjoys unfettered access to the | :04:25. | :04:27. | |
European single market in a currency over which there is no existential | :04:28. | :04:34. | |
doubt. I was passionately opposed to membership of the euro, but in my | :04:35. | :04:42. | |
view, to be a major nation in the EU but outside the straitjacket of the | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
Eurozone, it's an incredible position to be in and it has been | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
strengthened greatly when the renegotiation of the Prime Minister. | :04:51. | :04:56. | |
By securing this one key point which is that the EU cannot discriminate | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
against those countries that do not use the euro, it means this platform | :05:03. | :05:07. | |
of prosperity is now secure and in my view come by voting to remain, we | :05:08. | :05:16. | |
can build on that. We will restore our reputation as a safe haven and a | :05:17. | :05:22. | |
sound unstable country in which to invest. The referendum in Scotland | :05:23. | :05:28. | |
and this referendum put that at threat. To the people that matter... | :05:29. | :05:39. | |
I will give way. He brings up the independence referendum in Scotland | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
but the Scottish Government provided a 650 page white paper saying what | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
they would do in the case of an independent Scotland and I have seen | :05:48. | :05:58. | |
the squat from the vote Leave. The point I am making is not too inside | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
the SNP, it is to say we have restored our reputation | :06:05. | :06:07. | |
internationally for being a sound unstable nation by putting these two | :06:08. | :06:10. | |
constitutional issue is not about Bert to the margins to those who | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
dashed to those that matters most. Bastia I were standing on a platform | :06:17. | :06:24. | |
on the mainline into Liverpool Street with a member of my | :06:25. | :06:27. | |
Conservative Association. A train came towards London from China. | :06:28. | :06:34. | |
Every single wagon on that train had a container on it and this chap | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
looked at me with dismay. A few minutes later when a goods train | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
went on the opposite direction with not a single container on it, I | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
reassured him, don't worry that that is what we mean by invisible | :06:48. | :06:56. | |
exports. That is the key point. A few minutes later on the same | :06:57. | :07:04. | |
platform, herds of commuters including many from my constituency | :07:05. | :07:07. | |
boarded the train to Liverpool Street not to make the widgets to go | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
back to China but Selby insurance to negotiate professional services to | :07:15. | :07:18. | |
do the finance. This is where our advantage lies. Traders about | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
advantage doing what you do best. If you believe there is no way we can | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
have a say in completing the single market in services if we stay, we | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
will achieve that and you cannot put a value on what that will add to our | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
economy with this expertise in the service sector. The third point is | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
about inward investment. I find it astonishing that we keep hearing | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
about this point about the deficit in European trade compared to the | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
rest of the world. There is only one group of companies that are doing | :07:52. | :07:54. | |
that trade and most of those, the ones making the biggest dent in | :07:55. | :07:59. | |
exports of foreign companies, Japanese car-makers, American banks. | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
French pharmaceutical firms. Their biggest export market is by far the | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
USA but they are based here in the UK because we have access to the | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
single market. To pretend European trade and the global trade is | :08:16. | :08:19. | |
separate is a complete nonsense. If we vote to remain, we will drive | :08:20. | :08:25. | |
investment higher and driver exports so instead of worrying about trade | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
figures as some negotiating stance, we look at them as if we need to do | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
better and we have to vote to remain to show this country is open against | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
the business from around the world. The fourth point relates to the | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
point about the future of the Eurozone. Those that want to leave | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
say the glass is half empty, which would leave because the Eurozone | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
will collapse. Because of this point about our flexible position, if the | :08:54. | :08:57. | |
Eurozone gets into trouble, it will strengthen this unique fact that we | :08:58. | :09:01. | |
alone as a big country have unfettered access and not in the | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
euro. If it strengthens, it would boost our exports and help the trade | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
deficit. We cannot lose from the position provided we play our cards | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
right. There are those who say in this referendum on neither basis | :09:19. | :09:21. | |
with voting for the status quo and they are right. If we vote to | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
remain, it will not be the status quo because we will have made up our | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
mind and after all these years of being held back by this debate about | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
whether to be in or out, if we decide as a country to remain, we | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
are deciding to get stuck in in Europe representing this country and | :09:40. | :09:45. | |
I believe that we will have to stand tall, proud and prosperous in this | :09:46. | :09:48. | |
great continent on behalf of this great country and the only way to do | :09:49. | :09:52. | |
that is to do the pitch a lot of thing and vote to remain in the | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
European Union. I would like to focus this afternoon on why it is | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
important for Croydon North that Britain remains in the European | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
Union. Croydon North is part of an outer London borough but it has many | :10:09. | :10:12. | |
of the features of an inner-city area. It has a diverse population, | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
high levels of youth unemployment and it has too much poor quality | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
housing in the private rented sector but it has a very enterprising | :10:25. | :10:29. | |
population. Croydon is at a crossroads. The Labour council that | :10:30. | :10:35. | |
was elected two years ago has announced a massive ?5 billion | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
regeneration project for the town centre that will affect the entire | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
borough. It will reshape the retail centre around a Westfield shopping | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
mall including thousands of new homes, creating new jobs, education | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
and leather facilities -- leisure facilities. Croydon is ideally | :10:53. | :11:00. | |
placed to take advantage of being part of the world's biggest trading | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
block. The future looks bright for Croydon but a big question hangs | :11:07. | :11:12. | |
over it all and that is the threat of Brexit and the referendum next | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
week. The investors Croydon hopes to attract will think again if Croydon | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
is placed outside the European Union. They don't want trade | :11:22. | :11:25. | |
barriers blocking the access to Europe and they will think trike -- | :11:26. | :11:30. | |
twice about investing in an economy that is going backwards into | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
recession. If we try and stay in the single market without EU membership, | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
we will be subject to EU rules and freedom of movement like Norway and | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
Switzerland but without the veto that we currently have. The same | :11:43. | :11:51. | |
circumstances but no voice. That is the one argument is that people | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
aren't aware of. They think we can have a trade agreement with the EU | :11:55. | :11:58. | |
and still lower the immigration from EU countries. It is an true because | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
we will have to sign up to the same freedom of movement and we need to | :12:04. | :12:12. | |
get that message out. The honourable lady is right. We would become | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
weaker, not more powerful if we left the European Union. We would lose | :12:16. | :12:21. | |
control of our destiny not gain control over it. The governor of the | :12:22. | :12:25. | |
Bank of England has want a vote to leave the EU could shrug recession | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
and nine out of ten economists agree that breaks it would damage the | :12:30. | :12:36. | |
economy. -- Brexit. It will be the first time an economy has chosen to | :12:37. | :12:42. | |
throw its economy into recession and it will mean lower tax revenues, | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
more cuts in public services like health and education, rising | :12:49. | :12:50. | |
interest rates to prop up the pound and because of that, is, how | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
mortgages. It is not the wealthy elite that will suffer. It is | :12:55. | :13:00. | |
ordinary people in places like Croydon North. Immigration has | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
helped London's economy to grow. Immigration has benefited Croydon | :13:07. | :13:10. | |
immensely. Whether pressures because of a minute -- because of | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
immigration like the National Health Service, those pressures are not the | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
fault of the immigrants who put in more to the economy than they take | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
out. They are the fault of a Tory Government that is underfunding our | :13:23. | :13:29. | |
health service. We cannot allow immigrants to beast gate goaded for | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
the failures of this Conservative Government. Too many people in | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
Croydon work long hours for low pay and insecure jobs. Their lives will | :13:39. | :13:42. | |
become harder still without the protection that comes from the | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
membership of the EU. Brexit Tories have made it clear they can't wait | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
to leave the European Union so they can cut worker's writes in half. | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
They want to remove rights for part-time workers and parents, | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
increase working hours, reduce paid leave. It was the European social | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
chapter that triggered the Tory revolt on Europe not because they | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
want to protect British workers but because they want to exploit British | :14:11. | :14:18. | |
workers. Is he aware of the independent legal opinion of Michael | :14:19. | :14:28. | |
Ford QC who says there would be damaged to collective consultation, | :14:29. | :14:31. | |
collective bargaining and the rights of part-time workers would go. --? I | :14:32. | :14:43. | |
was not aware of that case but it doesn't surprise me because it is | :14:44. | :14:47. | |
what many commentators have been saying about the implications of | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
Tory Brexit would be on worker's writes, jobs and the prosperity of | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
ordinary people in this country. It is because of that the other reasons | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
we have had that I am confident voters in Croydon will vote to | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
remain part of the European Union. If the European Union is an | :15:07. | :15:09. | |
organisation that needs reform to make more accountable, we need to | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
hear the concerns expressed by people of goodwill and use those to | :15:14. | :15:18. | |
make the EU work better in the future. We cannot cut ourselves | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
adrift and leave us all subject to an EU that we can no longer | :15:25. | :15:27. | |
influence because we are out select -- isolated on the outside. Britain | :15:28. | :15:34. | |
is better off in Europe and I will be voting Remain. Like many others, | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
I am a firm supporter of membership of the European Union and have been | :15:41. | :15:46. | |
campaigning even before the general election. I don't support a | :15:47. | :15:50. | |
membership out of fear of what would happen if we left even though there | :15:51. | :15:54. | |
are serious questions the Leave need to answer. My report stems from a | :15:55. | :16:02. | |
positive. We are the fifth largest economy in the world as the levers | :16:03. | :16:09. | |
continue to remind us. Long-term forecast suggests our economy will | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
overtake Germany in the early 2030's but that is only if we carry on the | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
same trajectory as we have at the moment. My point is that why when we | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
enjoy such a prominent position in the world, when we have the | :16:26. | :16:27. | |
potential to champion the ideals that have made our country great | :16:28. | :16:31. | |
will anyone to walk away from providing leadership just at the | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
time when Europe is crying out for it? People wishing to leave the EU | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
say our values need to be defended and I agree but I say our values or | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
are also worth exporting and exports are one of the most important | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
reasons why we should remain. As a single market, the EU remains our | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
biggest trading partner. A company can set itself up in the UK from | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
anywhere in the world and instantly have access to 500 million | :17:00. | :17:02. | |
consumers. The virtue of a memo should attract some of the best | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
talent from around the world and encourages new businesses to set up | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
here investing in the UK and creating jobs. UK market for goods | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
and services is the second least regulated, second to the | :17:17. | :17:20. | |
Netherlands. Surely that is proof that the EU is not making us less | :17:21. | :17:25. | |
competitive for investment. Not only do we attract world leading | :17:26. | :17:30. | |
countries but the EU is academic network which our universities and | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
companies can draw upon. Portsmouth is home to several international | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
companies that depend on free access to the European markets and it is | :17:41. | :17:43. | |
home to one of the most rapidly developing universities in Europe | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
and I believe our interest in Portsmouth is best served by | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
remaining in the EU. We are the gateway into the European Union for | :17:52. | :17:55. | |
other countries including all the major economies of the world but | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
particularly for the Commonwealth. The Prime Minister of India said as | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
far as India is concerned, is there -- if there is an entry point for | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
the EU, that is the UK. Our mothership of the EU is one of the | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
factors which binds the Commonwealth together. We did not abandon or | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
leave the Commonwealth behind when we joined the European economic | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
community, we provided the simplest and most straightforward route for | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
our Commonwealth partners to get the most benefit out of it. Our links | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
with some of the most powerful economies are enriched by a | :18:30. | :18:32. | |
membership of the EU not jeopardised by it. There are many other benefits | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
that our membership brings to the UK and to the rest of Europe but the | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
overarching theme is one of stability. The equal partnerships | :18:43. | :18:45. | |
between us and our neighbours are have supported a period of peace and | :18:46. | :18:51. | |
stability that is unprecedented in our history. 70 years of peace out | :18:52. | :18:57. | |
of 1000 years of war has to be worth fighting for. I hope we vote to | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
remain on the 23rd not out of fear but out of fear that our confidence | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
to shape the continent where Britain already plays a leading role. Thank | :19:08. | :19:16. | |
you maddened deputy speaker. This debate has consumed us in this | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
Chamber for the best part of a year. -- thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. | :19:23. | :19:30. | |
It is also raging for months in communities outside. Yet the most | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
dispiriting thing about this process is that I find so many people who | :19:36. | :19:39. | |
say now that they are less well-informed than they were at the | :19:40. | :19:43. | |
beginning of the discussion. I think the reason for that is all to do | :19:44. | :19:47. | |
with the manner in which the debate has been conducted. Not only has it | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
been in sets and Lee negative but it has traded in sound bites and has | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
tried to pander prejudice rather than illuminate and educate and | :19:57. | :20:01. | |
inform people so they can make a proper decision. I hope in the | :20:02. | :20:04. | |
limited time available to explode some of those myths and | :20:05. | :20:10. | |
representations that have been put about. First is to do with | :20:11. | :20:11. | |
sovereignty. Next Thursday we will be part of the | :20:12. | :20:21. | |
European Union and next Thursday people will vote on whether we | :20:22. | :20:25. | |
continue that relationship. In that moment, sovereignty will lie with | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
the people of the United Kingdom. There is nothing they can do next | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
Thursday that will change that situation. No matter the result, in | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
one year's time, two years, or five years or never, the people of the UK | :20:40. | :20:43. | |
could choose to review the decision they make next Thursday. Nothing is | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
forever and a Government must always be with the consent of the people. | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
When the Leave campaign says the choice next Thursday is between | :20:54. | :20:56. | |
retaining sovereignty here are giving it away, that is not a | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
half-truth or misrepresentation. That is a lie. The next thing is to | :21:01. | :21:07. | |
do with money. We have talked about how much we contribute and get back. | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
It is a fact that we need to tell people we are net contributors to | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
the European Union but we need to explain why that is and where that | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
money goes. The truth is the bulk of that money goes to support social | :21:19. | :21:24. | |
and economic development programmes in European member states for less | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
prosperous countries than we are. That is not the result of charitable | :21:30. | :21:35. | |
donations by philanthropists in the Cabinet, that is a strategy to try | :21:36. | :21:39. | |
and develop the economy across the continent so in years to come the | :21:40. | :21:42. | |
people living in southern and eastern Europe will have the economy | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
and support and money to be able to buy the goods and services we make | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
in this country. It is a continental approach to... | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
Is there also a case that it is much better to invest in these countries | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
so we can trade with them than it is to send young men and women to die | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
on these battlefields like they have done on this concern for centuries? | :22:12. | :22:16. | |
I could not agree with that more. Now the question of democracy. It | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
has been suggested by Leave that this is a question of an unelected, | :22:20. | :22:23. | |
unaccountable European bureaucracy versus, I guess, the exemplar of | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
democratic participation we already have in this country. That also is | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
untrue. There are three institutions in the EU. One, Parliament directly | :22:34. | :22:39. | |
elected by people. The Council of ministers composed of elected | :22:40. | :22:41. | |
ministers from national governments and a third made up of pointed | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
commissioners appointed by elected national governments. When we say | :22:48. | :22:50. | |
the European Union is undemocratic, but is also a lie. -- that is a lie. | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
I now want to talk to my colleagues on the left, who have joined the | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
Leave campaign. There are some within my own party as well. I | :23:03. | :23:05. | |
regret what they have done because I think they have given an air of | :23:06. | :23:12. | |
political breadth to a campaign which is fundamentally reactionary | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
in nature. I hope they will reconsider. When you come across | :23:16. | :23:23. | |
glib phrases like, a boss of Europe... Take a moment to | :23:24. | :23:26. | |
understand what is happening. Anyone with a materialist view of | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
philosophy knows we make our own history. The institutions which | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
cover us are not defined and not inherently one thing or another, | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
they are created by us. It is a fact that every European Union treaty | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
there has been has been a reflection of the political balance of power in | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
the continent at that time. In the 1980s, we made great advances with | :23:50. | :23:54. | |
workers' rights because the social Democratic and left parties were in | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
the ascendancy. Much to the showground of Margaret Thatcher at | :23:59. | :24:03. | |
the time. In recent years, that has not been the case. -- much to the | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
chagrin of Thatcher. The left is not in the ascendancy in Europe and what | :24:11. | :24:14. | |
we need to do is those who believe in a progressive Europe is to link | :24:15. | :24:18. | |
up with other forces across the continent, as the Shadow Chancellor | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
said earlier, and explain that a different form of Europe is | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
possible. I believe we can. Finally, to talk of the question of migration | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
and public services. I have been an MP for over a year and in that time | :24:30. | :24:34. | |
have tried to help over 1200 individual people. Most of them have | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
problems with public services and want to get up the housing ladder | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
and want benefits reinstated, or are worried about the health system. I | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people amongst that | :24:49. | :24:52. | |
1200 who are citizens of other European countries. That is because | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
most of them are young working couples who are working hard to | :24:57. | :24:59. | |
build up their families and to build a better future for themselves and | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
who, by the way, in doing so, making Edinburgh one of the most vibrant | :25:06. | :25:08. | |
European capitals there is. These are people who, by any measure... | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
Sorry I will give way. Sorry to give wagering and | :25:16. | :25:19. | |
impassioned speech. Do you think it is regrettable that there is too | :25:20. | :25:23. | |
much of a debate on immigration and too many people on both sides of the | :25:24. | :25:26. | |
house have concentrated on the negative side of immigration? | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
They're talking much more forcefully about the massive benefits that | :25:33. | :25:37. | |
immigration can bring -- they should be talking about. | :25:38. | :25:43. | |
I agree and, in my experience, people in Edinburgh East, who are | :25:44. | :25:50. | |
migrants, many of whom are here to Brierley -- temporarily, they put | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
less of a string per capita on public services than the population | :25:54. | :25:58. | |
on average. -- a strain. The way to tackle this is to fund our public | :25:59. | :26:03. | |
services based on population. This is so, if migrants go to a | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
particular area, more money goes to public services in that area, and | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
that is the fairest way to do it. I resent the way some people have | :26:11. | :26:15. | |
tried to turn this into a referendum on immigration. That is what it has | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
become in some places, and I find that not only distasteful but | :26:20. | :26:22. | |
disreputable. I say to the people who may be seduced by those | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
arguments, when you see ruthless, right wing employers, who would if | :26:29. | :26:30. | |
they could pay their workers nothing, complain about low pay, do | :26:31. | :26:37. | |
not believe them. When you see right wing politicians waxing lyrical | :26:38. | :26:40. | |
about an NHS they have made their career trying to underfund and | :26:41. | :26:44. | |
destroy, do not believe them. Do not be seduced by those right-wing | :26:45. | :26:52. | |
reactionary rhetoric people, and vote Remain. | :26:53. | :26:55. | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is an honour to speak in this debate | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
after so many powerful and lucid speeches. I am unashamedly speaking | :27:00. | :27:09. | |
in favour of Remain, but next week, my constituents have a vote the same | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
number as I do. My job as the rapper sensitive is to try and represent | :27:14. | :27:17. | |
what I see -- my job as representative. I represent their | :27:18. | :27:25. | |
best interest for my constituency and the country. At I follow my | :27:26. | :27:33. | |
honourable friend, both of them for Portsmouth South and North Devon, | :27:34. | :27:38. | |
talking about the importance of prosperity and cooperation, and the | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
United Kingdom's place in the world as a force for good. Let me start | :27:43. | :27:47. | |
with stability and prosperity. It is clear, and this is acknowledged by | :27:48. | :27:52. | |
those who speak for Leave, that there will be at least a short-term | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
impact on the United Kingdom economy. The honourable member for | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
Uxbridge has said as such and talks about the dip that would happen. | :28:03. | :28:08. | |
This is not just a piece of graphics but a direct impact on people's | :28:09. | :28:12. | |
pockets and direct impact on Treasury revenue. As for the medium | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
term, there is more debate. Clearly, a vast majority of economists have | :28:19. | :28:22. | |
said that, in the medium and long-term, being a part of the | :28:23. | :28:25. | |
European Union would be better for our economy. I accept that there are | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
a wide range of views on this, and how much... As to how much it would | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
cost and what we would gain or not gain, it is more difficult to say. | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
There is one thing that I think is absolutely clear. Those who claim | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
that outside the European Union we will thrive anyway we do not inside, | :28:43. | :28:51. | |
or profoundly mistaken. There are two areas in which we, economically, | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
suffered the most. The first is the failure of us to export enough, | :28:57. | :29:00. | |
something we have spoken about time and time again, the second is our | :29:01. | :29:05. | |
productivity. Neither of these are to do with our membership of the EU. | :29:06. | :29:08. | |
They are everything to do with ourselves. Germany and France have | :29:09. | :29:13. | |
productivity considerably higher than our own country, as does the | :29:14. | :29:18. | |
United States. Germany is quite capable of exporting three or four | :29:19. | :29:21. | |
times as much to China as we are, from within the EU. I fully agree | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
that there are aspects of regulation and so on that we might do better on | :29:28. | :29:31. | |
if we controlled entirely ourselves, but these are minor pinpricks | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
compared with what is on our shoulders, which is to improve our | :29:37. | :29:41. | |
productivity and improve our export. We can do that whether we are inside | :29:42. | :29:45. | |
or outside the European Union. Coming out of the EU is absolutely | :29:46. | :29:53. | |
no panacea. Where we will suffer is inward investment, and that is | :29:54. | :29:56. | |
clear. I have spoken to in word investors in my constituency, on | :29:57. | :30:02. | |
whom thousands of jobs depend, and they say it is very important for us | :30:03. | :30:09. | |
to be in. As the Foreign Secretary said earlier, with our current | :30:10. | :30:12. | |
account deficit as it is, a reduction in foreign investment | :30:13. | :30:19. | |
would be dangerous. Indeed, the one thing I have not had his investors | :30:20. | :30:23. | |
coming to me and saying, I've been waiting for you to Leave the EU so I | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
can invest in Stafford. That has never happened. I would like now to | :30:28. | :30:34. | |
turn to cooperation and Britain's place in the world. I am ashamed | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
about the need to work together. There are many challenges in this | :30:41. | :30:44. | |
world, and putting ourselves on the outside is not the way forward. Do | :30:45. | :30:49. | |
not underestimate the importance of good relations with our neighbours. | :30:50. | :30:53. | |
Even if that comes to difficult meetings week in, week out, month | :30:54. | :30:58. | |
in, month out, through the European Union. The other bodies... We are | :30:59. | :31:04. | |
part of the United Nations but they are no substitute for this. They are | :31:05. | :31:09. | |
involved in free quickly and much bigger bodies. Who wants us out? Are | :31:10. | :31:14. | |
best friends, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Canada? | :31:15. | :31:18. | |
Those with and we have the strongest personal and political ties? | :31:19. | :31:24. | |
Absolutely not. Of course. A very good speech and it plays into | :31:25. | :31:27. | |
some sort of independence from the EU... It strikes me that the | :31:28. | :31:33. | |
misunderstandings about some of this referendum is that Europe is not a | :31:34. | :31:40. | |
country. It is an intergovernmental organisation and that fundamental | :31:41. | :31:42. | |
point is misunderstood in this debate when people understand they | :31:43. | :31:47. | |
are leaving a country. They are not. They are leaving a global body. That | :31:48. | :31:51. | |
is the mistake coming from the Brexiters. | :31:52. | :31:57. | |
The honourable gentleman is right. It is proud sovereign, countries | :31:58. | :32:04. | |
that take their sovereignty seriously. They did not throw off | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
their sovereignty to get sovereignty from Brussels. When it comes to | :32:08. | :32:13. | |
stability, prosperity and corporation with others, and when it | :32:14. | :32:16. | |
comes to United Kingdom's place in the world, I believe we are better | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
in and so I will be voting to Remain. | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure to follow the | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
honourable member for Stafford. To return to the topic on my maiden | :32:32. | :32:36. | |
speech barely a year ago, as this country prepares to take undoubtedly | :32:37. | :32:40. | |
the biggest decision of our lifetime, to determine the direction | :32:41. | :32:43. | |
and destiny of our nation over the course of not just the coming days, | :32:44. | :32:48. | |
weeks, months, years, but over the course of the century. Global power | :32:49. | :32:51. | |
is shifting from the Western economies and dominated the 20th | :32:52. | :32:56. | |
century to the emerging giants of the 21st. Powers pivot away from | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
nation states towards global corporations. In that context, the | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
only question which should be on people's minds as they cast their | :33:07. | :33:10. | |
vote next week is which is the choice that is going to deliver | :33:11. | :33:15. | |
prosperity, security and opportunity in a rapidly changing and globalised | :33:16. | :33:24. | |
world? Globalisation is a fact. It is a process, unstoppable. It brings | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
many possibilities and opportunities for our constituents and our | :33:28. | :33:32. | |
country. It also rings challenges. The question for any Government, | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
whether ours or a Government around the world is how do you shave | :33:37. | :33:40. | |
globalisation to serve the best interests of your people? How do you | :33:41. | :33:43. | |
mitigate against its challenges and how do you make the most of the | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
possibilities? How on earth is the right answer to that question to | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
say, stop the world, I want to get off. --? How is it that over the | :33:52. | :33:59. | |
course of this debate, on the economy, there has been no debate | :34:00. | :34:07. | |
over the best route? Trying to get consensus amongst economists is like | :34:08. | :34:10. | |
trying to get consensus amongst Labour and Conservative MPs in their | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
respective parties. Virtually impossible and yet it has been | :34:18. | :34:20. | |
achieved because the overwhelming consensus of our nation's leading | :34:21. | :34:23. | |
economists is our country would be more prosperous inside the EU than | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
outside. We have the trade union Congress and trade union leaders | :34:30. | :34:32. | |
arguing it would be in the best interest of working people and | :34:33. | :34:34. | |
workers' rights. We have small and large businesses saying they could | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
make the most of the opportunities available to their businesses by the | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
members of the European Union. And, as well evidenced claims have been | :34:43. | :34:49. | |
made about the impact on jobs and investment and opportunities for our | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
workforce, what has been the response of the Leave campaign? | :34:54. | :35:00. | |
When he was asked about the impact of a falling sterling, so what? I'm | :35:01. | :35:18. | |
looking at the financial stability of my family. For the massed -- for | :35:19. | :35:25. | |
the vast majority on low incomes, when jobs are lost, it will be their | :35:26. | :35:29. | |
opportunities that will be hit. Wasn't it striking that this | :35:30. | :35:41. | |
afternoon the tempting -- the Leave seem to have left. The Right | :35:42. | :35:50. | |
honourable member for Surrey Heath proclaimed to be the saviour of the | :35:51. | :35:56. | |
NHS. ?350 million per week will be saved at were we to leave. Not true. | :35:57. | :36:10. | |
When he pointed out how preposterous it was to believe that the | :36:11. | :36:16. | |
honourable member for Oxbridge AmSouth Ruislip and the honourable | :36:17. | :36:18. | |
member for Surrey Heath and their friends have the best interests of | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
the NHS that heart. Even conservatives say you cannot trust | :36:26. | :36:29. | |
the right wing of the Conservative Party. Why should we believe them | :36:30. | :36:36. | |
now? On economic forecast, there can be no certainty, only analysis and | :36:37. | :36:40. | |
assumption and whichever figures you want to pick, you should trust the | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
judgment of every leading economic voice, every university leader, | :36:47. | :36:52. | |
leaders of our trained union -- trade union movement, coming | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
together and uniting because they believe it to be in our national | :36:57. | :37:01. | |
interests. Does he also think you should trust the voice of the | :37:02. | :37:09. | |
people? I absolutely do and I've voted to give the people a choice | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
and I will abide by their decision when they make it next week. I say | :37:14. | :37:21. | |
to my constituents directly. They have an enormous responsibility | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
resting on their shoulders. I said I would always put their interests | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
first and they may not always agree with me but they will always know | :37:31. | :37:34. | |
where I stand. Every day on every vote, the only question in my mind | :37:35. | :37:38. | |
is what is best for my constituency and what is best for my country. My | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
my constituents face that choice. On a more important vote than any of us | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
will cast during the course of this session. Where does our country's | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
future lie? Leading Europe or leaving Europe? As far as I am | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
concerned there is only one answer to that question. If you want a | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
future for our country that divides natural security and an ability to | :38:05. | :38:07. | |
take on the big issues and the global challenges facing us, that is | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
why I urge my constituents to make the progressive but pragmatic choice | :38:13. | :38:20. | |
to remain in the European Union. We are getting tight on Tyneside | :38:21. | :38:23. | |
members don't take so many interventions, there will be no need | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
to lower the limit. If we continue to take interventions, it will be. | :38:30. | :38:35. | |
For now, it is fine as long as people keep a minimum of | :38:36. | :38:44. | |
interventions. I am pleased to follow the impassioned words of my | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
honourable member from Ilford North. I would like to start my speech in a | :38:50. | :38:57. | |
historic debate by asking a question. Have we been prosperous | :38:58. | :39:04. | |
for the last 40 years? Yes, we have. We have become the fifth greatest | :39:05. | :39:08. | |
economy in the world. Whilst being part of the union and not in spite | :39:09. | :39:28. | |
of it. We have grown 65%. The EU is by no means perfect. There's not | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
much don't like that there is an omen of well-meaning reason to | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
remain in it and talking to businesses, this is the overwhelming | :39:39. | :39:44. | |
consensus. I will go through a few companies who also we are better off | :39:45. | :39:53. | |
in. A company in world didn't -- a company in Wellington that | :39:54. | :40:00. | |
soundproof scars. He has categorically stressed that the car | :40:01. | :40:05. | |
industry operates totally EU wide and it is a ?15 billion trade in | :40:06. | :40:13. | |
these to remain in the EU. One X high pressure water pumps and this | :40:14. | :40:18. | |
is a very rural area but they export out across the EU and go with | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
delegations to get contracts in other parts of the world and they | :40:22. | :40:26. | |
could not do this alone so they need to be in Europe and they are | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
critical for rural jobs in my constituency. We must not put them | :40:31. | :40:37. | |
in jeopardy. Now I come to the Ministry of cake. This is a ?30 | :40:38. | :40:41. | |
million business employing 300 people and they are the largest | :40:42. | :40:46. | |
desert makers in the EU as well. You have probably eaten some of their | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
cakes as they supply coffee chains from here right across the EU and | :40:52. | :40:57. | |
managing director says his best UK seller is chocolate fudge cake. The | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
market is saturated in the UK and he needs to get 25% of his trade from | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
the EU. He needs to stay there. It is the best place to get the trade | :41:08. | :41:12. | |
from. We share standards, clear labelling and we have a free market | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
and he has access to all that Labour. He couldn't operate without | :41:18. | :41:23. | |
the migrant workforce in Taunton. Nor could another great business in | :41:24. | :41:30. | |
my constituency. The vegetable packers. He employs 70 workers in | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
the winter who are migrants and more in the summer. They are the largest | :41:37. | :41:44. | |
suppliers of Swede in this country but the second largest suppliers to | :41:45. | :42:03. | |
Germany. They need to stay in. We have 300 Meech -- we have 300 | :42:04. | :42:10. | |
million people and we have a veto on laws. What more could you want? I'm | :42:11. | :42:17. | |
going to finish on agriculture and the environment. These areas are | :42:18. | :42:24. | |
very important in my constituency. They EAP is vital to our | :42:25. | :42:28. | |
agricultural industry. The funding that it gets to keep the environment | :42:29. | :42:34. | |
in good shape, that is ?20 billion and it is priceless. It not only | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
keeps the rural economy going but it keeps people on the land and gives | :42:40. | :42:45. | |
us low-priced food. The price of food it will rise. Our farmers need | :42:46. | :43:00. | |
to stay in. On the environment, the birds don't stop at the boundaries. | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
We are much better off for the environment within the EU and it was | :43:06. | :43:10. | |
the framework of EU legislation that made us clean up our beaches and | :43:11. | :43:14. | |
water. Our beaches are vital for our tourist industry in the south-west. | :43:15. | :43:25. | |
There is a spin off with the environmental and the economy. The | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
economic benefits are clear, as the environmental benefits and mail | :43:32. | :43:36. | |
linked to the economy. Let us be at the table fighting to improve it, | :43:37. | :43:38. | |
especially with our presidency and let us make sure there's some of | :43:39. | :43:50. | |
that chocolate fudge cake at the EU table. It is easy to support this | :43:51. | :44:02. | |
motion in behalf of North Tyneside and I hope the wider community of | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
the north-east. Our region has received billions of pounds in | :44:08. | :44:13. | |
investment from Europe as my honourable friend from Sedgefield | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
said earlier. Our region is entitled to more European funds than any | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
other English region and in the next five years, is due to receive seven | :44:22. | :44:28. | |
and ?26 million in European funding. The single market has been | :44:29. | :44:33. | |
significant business development in the north-east with over half of our | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
exports going to the EQ and 160,000 jobs relying directly on that trade. | :44:39. | :44:51. | |
It is no wonder that in the recent survey, the Chamber of commerce | :44:52. | :44:54. | |
found out the majority of the region's businesses wish to remain | :44:55. | :44:59. | |
in EU. The same survey did highlight the frustration of businesses | :45:00. | :45:02. | |
dealing with EU regulations but the conclusion was that the single | :45:03. | :45:05. | |
market remains the region's most important market and will continue | :45:06. | :45:11. | |
to do so well into the future. The benefit to the north-east is further | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
illustrated by a study done by the Newcastle Chronicle that found the | :45:17. | :45:21. | |
north-east had received an average of ?187 per head in EU funding since | :45:22. | :45:29. | |
2007 compared with ?82 and the rest of the UK. The level of funding from | :45:30. | :45:35. | |
the EU to our region stands in stark contrast to how we fare when it | :45:36. | :45:38. | |
comes to receiving funding from this UK Government. I must remind the | :45:39. | :45:43. | |
House it was a Tory Government that fought the closure of the shipyard | :45:44. | :45:50. | |
in Wallsend in the mid-80s with devastating consequences for | :45:51. | :45:54. | |
Tyneside. Thanks to money from the EU, the yard is undergoing a massive | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
transformation. North Tyneside Council was awarded 6.7 million to | :46:01. | :46:06. | |
part fund enabling infrastructure works at the former shipyard which | :46:07. | :46:11. | |
has opened up the site for development on a strategically | :46:12. | :46:16. | |
important enterprise zone site. Between 2007 and 2013 and of the | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
European structural fund programme, North Tyneside Council was | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
accountable for nearly ?30 million in our region. This money, part | :46:26. | :46:32. | |
funded the refurbishment of a new scent of innovation on our | :46:33. | :46:37. | |
enterprise zone site creating flexible start-up and business | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
incubation space for medium and small businesses. 1.8 million of | :46:43. | :46:48. | |
funding was used towards funding business support to enable start-up | :46:49. | :46:54. | |
support in our disadvantaged areas resulting in a rate of 400 start-ups | :46:55. | :46:58. | |
per year. The council is already undertaking work to maximise | :46:59. | :47:03. | |
European structural and investment funds from the current programme to | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
meet the EU 2020 strategy ambitions of achieving smart, sustainable and | :47:09. | :47:14. | |
inclusive growth and the newly funding business support programme | :47:15. | :47:21. | |
will bring great benefits to the local community and businesses | :47:22. | :47:27. | |
alike. The counsellor is working with community led development to | :47:28. | :47:31. | |
help the most disadvantaged communities in the top 20 in | :47:32. | :47:38. | |
deprived areas utilising funding to achieve economic growth in their | :47:39. | :47:44. | |
very own localities. I hope the north-east will not be fooled by | :47:45. | :47:48. | |
those in the Brexit comeback claim that we will be better off leaving | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
the EU. We know the north-east has suffered huge public spending cuts | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
under the Tories since 2010 white across the board from the police and | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
Fire Services to the closure of Government offices. All costing jobs | :48:04. | :48:06. | |
and a loss of income to our local community. The truth is the future | :48:07. | :48:13. | |
prosperity of my constituency and the north-east region is | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
inextricably linked to the EU. Being unrepentantly parochial, I see that | :48:19. | :48:27. | |
this is reason enough to remain in. Thank you for calling me to speak in | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
this debate and it is a very important debate and I have listened | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
with great interest to many excellent speeches I have heard. | :48:35. | :48:38. | |
There is an increasingly healthy trend in this house that members on | :48:39. | :48:42. | |
all sides come to this place having had a career outside of politics | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
with life experience that they can bring to our debate and in the year | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
that I have had the honour to represent Telford in parliaments, I | :48:52. | :48:58. | |
have seen examples where our expertise is welcome. I am a | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
chartered accountant and before coming to this place, I specialised | :49:03. | :49:08. | |
in the financial sector, specifically in investment in | :49:09. | :49:12. | |
financial markets. I wanted to draw on that experience and bring that to | :49:13. | :49:18. | |
this debate. Over the months, this debate EU has been characterised by | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
passion on both sides and it has led to increasingly impossible and | :49:24. | :49:28. | |
projections which have seemed on occasion alarmist and fanciful. I | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
wanted to put on record some of the more moderate and balanced | :49:35. | :49:37. | |
perspectives of investor who value the nature of the way they earn | :49:38. | :49:42. | |
their living generating returns for clients and understand the meeting | :49:43. | :49:51. | |
of the word, risk. These investors are motivated to put economic | :49:52. | :50:00. | |
consideration before any other. I'm sure they will be familiar with the | :50:01. | :50:04. | |
outstanding reputation of Neil Woodford who is an investor in the | :50:05. | :50:09. | |
UK business. The report published earlier this year provides balanced | :50:10. | :50:15. | |
commentary on the economic stability. | :50:16. | :50:26. |